On 05 Mar 2014, at 18:45, Gabriel Bodeen wrote:
Brent was right but the explanation could use some examples to show
you what's happening. The strangeness that you noticed occurs
because you're looking at cases where the proportion is *exactly* 50%.
binopdf(2,4,0.5)=0.375
binopdf(3,6,0.5)=
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On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:05 PM, meekerdb wrote:
>> There are over 7 billion people on the planet, never before in the
history of the Earth has a large animal (over 50 pounds) of the
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 3:16:03 AM UTC, Liz R wrote:
>
> On 6 March 2014 15:47, Russell Standish
> > wrote:
>
>> Could be - I have heard the factoid that some sharks need to keep
>> moving. What I don't know is whether it is an urban myth or not.
>>
>> As ever, the fount of all knowledge has t
On 6 March 2014 15:47, wrote:
> and then there's that little critter Davie 'crocket' Attenborough wheels
> out on the origin of life story...
>
Davie 'crocket' Attenborough?!?! I've never heard him called that before.
(The "Whispering Voice of Television Documentaries", yes...)
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On 6 March 2014 15:47, Russell Standish wrote:
> Could be - I have heard the factoid that some sharks need to keep
> moving. What I don't know is whether it is an urban myth or not.
>
> As ever, the fount of all knowledge has the answer!
>From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark#Respiration
Respi
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 2:47:15 AM UTC, Russell Standish wrote:
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> On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 05:52:20PM -0800, ghi...@gmail.com
> wrote:
> > >
> > I'd always defer to an aussie on sharks...but I'm curious how they get
> the
> > oxygen onto their gills. Could it be they exploit currents that
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:52:20 AM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
> On Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:37:48 AM UTC, Russell Standish wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 04:13:26PM -0800, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:57:30 PM UTC, Russell Standish wrote:
>> >
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 05:52:20PM -0800, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> I'd always defer to an aussie on sharks...but I'm curious how they get the
> oxygen onto their gills. Could it be they exploit currents that certain
> kinds of cave might produce? What happens when two windows are open on a
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:45:11 AM UTC, Liz R wrote:
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> Another suggestion, which I would say is (more or less) discredited by the
> existence of animals that switch brain hemispheres to stay awake, was the
> idea that it's simply *safer *to spend some of your time inactive,
> especially fo
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:52:20 AM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> On Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:37:48 AM UTC, Russell Standish wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 04:13:26PM -0800, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:57:30 PM UTC, Russell Standish wrote:
>> >
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:37:48 AM UTC, Russell Standish wrote:
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> On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 04:13:26PM -0800, ghi...@gmail.com
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:57:30 PM UTC, Russell Standish wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 02:26:50PM -0800,
> > > ghi...@gmail.com
Hi Bruno
>> The question is: can you refute this.
To my own satisfaction? Yes. To your satisfaction? Apparantly not. Though
perhaps you have an ideological agenda and are just trying very hard not to be
refuted?
>> And for the UDA, you don't need the 50%. You need only to assess the
>> indete
Another suggestion, which I would say is (more or less) discredited by the
existence of animals that switch brain hemispheres to stay awake, was the
idea that it's simply *safer *to spend some of your time inactive,
especially for a prey animal.
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On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 04:13:26PM -0800, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:57:30 PM UTC, Russell Standish wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 02:26:50PM -0800, ghi...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > Soyou're saying its about resting the sensitive visual mach
Brent, could you please reply to Edgar? He is, I'm sure, eagerly awaiting
your response so he can unleash a torrent of carefully thought out
arguments which will cover every point you've made. (As indeed am I.)
On 1 March 2014 13:46, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> Brent,
>
> Are you addressing that ques
Hi Jason/Gabriel
Thanks for the posts. They were both really clear. I can see that it was a
mistake to hedge my bets on exact figures and also, given Jason's comments, to
think that seemingly regular sequences were quite common.
I do maintain that proportions of roughly 50/50 splits are a spuri
On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:55:47 PM UTC, Liz R wrote:
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> On 6 March 2014 11:57, Russell Standish
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 02:26:50PM -0800, ghi...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > Soyou're saying its about resting the sensitive visual machinery?
>> Why
>> > not do that wi
On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:57:30 PM UTC, Russell Standish wrote:
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> On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 02:26:50PM -0800, ghi...@gmail.com
> wrote:
> > >
> > Soyou're saying its about resting the sensitive visual machinery?
> Why
> > not do that with an extra pair of eyes and a shift rota? That
On 6 March 2014 12:42, John Mikes wrote:
> LizR wrote 3-2-14:
>
> *(JM:*
>
>> *Those people of goodwill who want to 'set' the problem by today's
>> knowledge/means are doing a disservice to all.* )
>>
> *Well if us people of goodwill don't look at the problem using today's
> knowledge/means (and
LizR wrote 3-2-14:
*(JM:*
> *Those people of goodwill who want to 'set' the problem by today's
> knowledge/means are doing a disservice to all.* )
>
*Well if us people of goodwill don't look at the problem using today's
knowledge/means (and maybe try to envisage tomorrow's) who is going to do *
*
Ghibsa and honored discussioneers:
you can say about that darn conscousness anything you like, as long as you
cannot identify it. Attribute of "a 1st person"? that would leave out lots
of smilar phenomena - not even assigned to 'a' 1st person.
When I tried to collect opinions about Ccness of sever
On 6 March 2014 11:57, Russell Standish wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 02:26:50PM -0800, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > Soyou're saying its about resting the sensitive visual machinery? Why
> > not do that with an extra pair of eyes and a shift rota? That seems like
> a
> > legitimate c
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 02:26:50PM -0800, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> Soyou're saying its about resting the sensitive visual machinery? Why
> not do that with an extra pair of eyes and a shift rota? That seems like a
> legitimate challenge John, since it seems very doable, and the
> benef
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 9:31:03 PM UTC, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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>
>
> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:54:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
>>
>> On 3/2/2014 8:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> >
>> > On 02 Mar 2014, at 13:36, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> So, why do we get tired, and why is being tired
On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 12:20:17 AM UTC, Liz R wrote:
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> On 4 March 2014 13:04, > wrote:
>
>> I don't have a great comprehension of UDA, but that the foundation of
>> everything must be arithmetic as you say. The more I read papers and
>> research about the holographic universe, the more it
Let's take 3 worlds A B C making a minimal transitive multiverse. ARB and
BRC implies ARC. So if we assume ARB and BRC we also get ARC (if we don't
assume this we don't have a multiverse or at least not one we can say
anything about. []p in this case means the value of p in A is the same as
its val
On Monday, March 3, 2014 6:47:22 PM UTC, John Clark wrote:
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> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 7:36 AM, > wrote:
>
> John - thanks for having a bash at the questions :o)
> > why do we get tired
>>
>
> Because we run out of fuel or because of lactic acid buildup in our
> muscles.
>
Hi John, mental ti
On 6 March 2014 11:01, Jesse Mazer wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:47 PM, LizR wrote:
>
>> If you have a continuum of inertial frames with velocities ranging from
>> +c to -c in all possible directions, how are you going to integrate over
>> them? Isn't there a measure problem over an uncounta
On 5 March 2014 20:59, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> You have to show two things:
>
> 1) R is transitive -> (W,R) respects []A -> [][]A
>
> and
>
> 2) (W,R) respects []A -> [][]A-> R is transitive
>
> Let us look at "1)". To show that "R is transitive -> (W,R) respects
> []A -> [][]A", you
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:47 PM, LizR wrote:
> If you have a continuum of inertial frames with velocities ranging from +c
> to -c in all possible directions, how are you going to integrate over them?
> Isn't there a measure problem over an uncountably infinite set?
>
There's no inherent problem
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 8:54:25 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
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> On 3/2/2014 8:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> >
> > On 02 Mar 2014, at 13:36, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> So, why do we get tired, and why is being tired like the way that it
> is? If its
> >> exhaustion, maybe up a couple of day
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> Jesse,
>
> PS: It is well known that accelerations and gravitation are the ONLY
> causes that produce real actual age rate changes. These real actual age
> rate changes are real and actual because 1. ALL OBSERVERS AGREE on them
> when they me
If we are obliged to conserve angular momentum, surely car engines (and
tidal power generators) aren't going to work very well?
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to -c in all possible directions, how are you going to integrate over them?
Isn't there a measure problem over an uncountably infinite set?
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> The biggest energy source we h
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> Jesse,
>
> Yes, the views are infinite on several axes, but that can be addressed
> simply by enumerating views at standard intervals on those axes.
>
But velocity intervals which are equal when the velocities are defined
relative to one fra
On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 8:40:36 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> Many thanks, Russell. Many thanks, Kim.
>
> Best,
>
> Bruno
>
Is it ok to ask why the prize got revoked? Some kind of politics?
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On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> Jesse,
>
> Yes, but respectfully, what I'm saying is that your example doesn't
> represent my method OR results.
>
> In your example of A and B separated but moving at the same velocity and
> direction, and C and D separated but moving at the
On Monday, March 3, 2014 5:48:20 PM UTC, John Clark wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 Chris de Morsella >wrote:
>
> > With power stations you don't need to worry about the same factors
>> (energy density etc) but you do need to worry about other things
>>
>
> And one of those other things you
On 6 March 2014 06:45, Gabriel Bodeen wrote:
> Brent was right but the explanation could use some examples to show you
> what's happening. The strangeness that you noticed occurs because you're
> looking at cases where the proportion is *exactly* 50%.
>
> binopdf(2,4,0.5)=0.375
> binopdf(3,6,0.5
On Monday, March 3, 2014 6:53:16 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>
> On 02 Mar 2014, at 19:53, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 4:34:33 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 02 Mar 2014, at 13:36, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > So, why do we get tired, and why is being t
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 8:54:25 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
>
> On 3/2/2014 8:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> >
> > On 02 Mar 2014, at 13:36, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> So, why do we get tired, and why is being tired like the way that it
> is? If its
> >> exhaustion, maybe up a couple of day
On 6 March 2014 09:12, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> Jesse,
>
> PS: It is well known that accelerations and gravitation are the ONLY
> causes that produce real actual age rate changes. These real actual age
> rate changes are real and actual because 1. ALL OBSERVERS AGREE on them
> when they meet up and
On 6 March 2014 04:39, John Clark wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Chris de Morsella
> wrote:
>
> > The biggest energy source we have available in fact is energy efficiency.
>>
>
> I am certainly in favor of energy efficiency, only a fool would not be,
> but it is not the solution to ou
Jesse,
PS: It is well known that accelerations and gravitation are the ONLY causes
that produce real actual age rate changes. These real actual age rate
changes are real and actual because 1. ALL OBSERVERS AGREE on them when
they meet up and check them, and 2.BECAUSE THEY ARE PERMANENT.
Relati
Jesse,
Yes, the views are infinite on several axes, but that can be addressed
simply by enumerating views at standard intervals on those axes. Or you
could equally integrate over the continuous functions.
Considered together simply means you plot the correlation each frame view
(at the standa
Jesse,
Yes, but respectfully, what I'm saying is that your example doesn't
represent my method OR results.
In your example of A and B separated but moving at the same velocity and
direction, and C and D separated but moving at the same velocity and
direction, BUT the two PAIRS moving at differ
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> Jesse,
>
> Yes, you are right. I phrased it incorrectly.
>
> What I meant to say was not that each individual view was somehow
> weighted, but that all views considered together would tend to cluster
> around my results for any distance and m
Jesse,
Yes, you are right. I phrased it incorrectly.
What I meant to say was not that each individual view was somehow weighted,
but that all views considered together would tend to cluster around my
results for any distance and motion difference pairs. In other words there
would be a lot more
On 05 Mar 2014, at 17:09, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 9:10 PM, John Clark
wrote:
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Telmo Menezes
wrote:
> If no human can check a proof of a theorem, does it really count
as mathematics?
Good question, sometimes I wonder if we're ge
Brent was right but the explanation could use some examples to show you
what's happening. The strangeness that you noticed occurs because you're
looking at cases where the proportion is *exactly* 50%.
binopdf(2,4,0.5)=0.375
binopdf(3,6,0.5)=0.3125
binopdf(4,8,0.5)=0.2374
binopdf(8,16,0.5)=0.1
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 9:10 PM, John Clark wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>
> > If no human can check a proof of a theorem, does it really count as
>> mathematics?
>>
>
> Good question, sometimes I wonder if we're getting close to that point.
> When Andrew Wiles p
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> Jesse,
>
> Here's another point for you to ponder:
>
> You claim that all frame views are equally valid. What would you say the
> weighted mean of all frame views is?
>
Weighted how? I can't see any "weighing" that doesn't itself depend on
p
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:05 PM, meekerdb wrote:
>> There are over 7 billion people on the planet, never before in the
>> history of the Earth has a large animal (over 50 pounds) of the same
>> species been that numerous or even come close to it. To keep all of those
>> people alive other animals
On 3/5/14, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> On 05 Mar 2014, at 01:23, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> I just downloaded it from Amazon. Let us see what it can teach me? I
>> won't get to reading it for a couple of days, due to work duties.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: LizR
>> To: everything-l
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
> The biggest energy source we have available in fact is energy efficiency.
>
I am certainly in favor of energy efficiency, only a fool would not be, but
it is not the solution to our energy problem because when a commodity like
energy bec
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> Jesse,
>
> First I see no conclusion that demonstrates INtransitivity here or any
> contradiction that I asked for. Did I miss that?
>
No, I was just asking if you agreed with those two steps, which show that
different pairs of readings are
Chris, its damned sexy, if it it superabundant, affordable, and gives this even
at 3% efficiency. Look to using molten salt for storing wind and sun power for
nighttime and winter. Heats released for thermionic conversion and we have
electricity all the time. Then there's the infra-read voltaic
well, its a full article unlike their teaser articles to get us to subscribe.
It has a pdf link to the paper by the scientist. So I am guessing its the real
deal. Will it be pursued? Well, only if those in power see advantage, or
necessity. You know how I see on where we all stand in the world.
On 05 Mar 2014, at 01:23, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
I just downloaded it from Amazon. Let us see what it can teach me? I
won't get to reading it for a couple of days, due to work duties.
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Edgar,
On 05 Mar 2014, at 14:48, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Well, I guess for someone who thinks "plants love music" and that
the basic postulates of arithmetic somehow magically generates the
entire universe including the flow of time,
Just tell me what you don't understand in the reasoning
On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 2:20:01 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>
> On 04 Mar 2014, at 19:14, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 3:27:58 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> >
> > On 03 Mar 2014, at 21:17, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Why don't w
Bruno,
Well, I guess for someone who thinks "plants love music" and that the basic
postulates of arithmetic somehow magically generates the entire universe
including the flow of time, it seems logical to claim that Edgar does't
answer questions without actually counting the number of questions
Jesse,
Here's another point for you to ponder:
You claim that all frame views are equally valid. What would you say the
weighted mean of all frame views is? I would suspect that it converges
towards my solution. It is clear from your own analysis that it does
converge to my solution as separat
Jesse,
First I see no conclusion that demonstrates INtransitivity here or any
contradiction that I asked for. Did I miss that?
But that really doesn't matter because second, you are NOT using MY method
because you are using ANOTHER coordinate clock FRAME rather than the frame
views of the part
Yeah, we could improve energy efficiency drastically - well, when I say
"we" some countries have done better than others at this. NZ could do with
lots more cheap double glazing, for example, and insulation. New York
apartment blocks could do to not run on diesel. And so on, and so forth.
But retro
On 05 Mar 2014, at 01:36, LizR wrote:
On 5 March 2014 04:18, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Good.
To prove that P -> Q, you can prove that P & ~Q leads to a
contradiction, or you can prove that ~Q leads to ~P.
But it helps a lot if you start from what you want to prove, up to
the conclusion, so
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