### Re: MODAL Last exercise

On 05 Mar 2014, at 01:36, LizR wrote: On 5 March 2014 04:18, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Good. To prove that P - Q, you can prove that P ~Q leads to a contradiction, or you can prove that ~Q leads to ~P. But it helps a lot if you start from what you want to prove, up to the

### Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

Yeah, we could improve energy efficiency drastically - well, when I say we some countries have done better than others at this. NZ could do with lots more cheap double glazing, for example, and insulation. New York apartment blocks could do to not run on diesel. And so on, and so forth. But

### Re: Block Universes

Jesse, First I see no conclusion that demonstrates INtransitivity here or any contradiction that I asked for. Did I miss that? But that really doesn't matter because second, you are NOT using MY method because you are using ANOTHER coordinate clock FRAME rather than the frame views of the

### Re: Block Universes

Jesse, Here's another point for you to ponder: You claim that all frame views are equally valid. What would you say the weighted mean of all frame views is? I would suspect that it converges towards my solution. It is clear from your own analysis that it does converge to my solution as

### Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

Bruno, Well, I guess for someone who thinks plants love music and that the basic postulates of arithmetic somehow magically generates the entire universe including the flow of time, it seems logical to claim that Edgar does't answer questions without actually counting the number of questions I

### Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 2:20:01 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Mar 2014, at 19:14, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 3:27:58 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Mar 2014, at 21:17, Craig Weinberg wrote: Why don't we see such a (meta) link

### Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

Edgar, On 05 Mar 2014, at 14:48, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Well, I guess for someone who thinks plants love music and that the basic postulates of arithmetic somehow magically generates the entire universe including the flow of time, Just tell me what you don't understand in the reasoning.

### Re: [foar] Amoeba's Secret, by Bruno Marchal available from Kindle store

On 05 Mar 2014, at 01:23, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: I just downloaded it from Amazon. Let us see what it can teach me? I won't get to reading it for a couple of days, due to work duties. -Original Message- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list

### Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

well, its a full article unlike their teaser articles to get us to subscribe. It has a pdf link to the paper by the scientist. So I am guessing its the real deal. Will it be pursued? Well, only if those in power see advantage, or necessity. You know how I see on where we all stand in the world.

### Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

Chris, its damned sexy, if it it superabundant, affordable, and gives this even at 3% efficiency. Look to using molten salt for storing wind and sun power for nighttime and winter. Heats released for thermionic conversion and we have electricity all the time. Then there's the infra-read voltaic

### Re: Block Universes

On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Jesse, First I see no conclusion that demonstrates INtransitivity here or any contradiction that I asked for. Did I miss that? No, I was just asking if you agreed with those two steps, which show that different pairs of

### Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: The biggest energy source we have available in fact is energy efficiency. I am certainly in favor of energy efficiency, only a fool would not be, but it is not the solution to our energy problem because when a

### Re: [foar] Amoeba's Secret, by Bruno Marchal available from Kindle store

On 3/5/14, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 05 Mar 2014, at 01:23, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: I just downloaded it from Amazon. Let us see what it can teach me? I won't get to reading it for a couple of days, due to work duties. -Original Message- From: LizR

### Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:05 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: There are over 7 billion people on the planet, never before in the history of the Earth has a large animal (over 50 pounds) of the same species been that numerous or even come close to it. To keep all of those people alive

### Re: Block Universes

On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Jesse, Here's another point for you to ponder: You claim that all frame views are equally valid. What would you say the weighted mean of all frame views is? Weighted how? I can't see any weighing that doesn't itself

### Re: Wikipedia-size maths proof too big for humans to check

On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 9:10 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: If no human can check a proof of a theorem, does it really count as mathematics? Good question, sometimes I wonder if we're getting close to

### Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

Brent was right but the explanation could use some examples to show you what's happening. The strangeness that you noticed occurs because you're looking at cases where the proportion is *exactly* 50%. binopdf(2,4,0.5)=0.375 binopdf(3,6,0.5)=0.3125 binopdf(4,8,0.5)=0.2374

### Re: Wikipedia-size maths proof too big for humans to check

On 05 Mar 2014, at 17:09, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 9:10 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: If no human can check a proof of a theorem, does it really count as mathematics?

### Re: Block Universes

Jesse, Yes, you are right. I phrased it incorrectly. What I meant to say was not that each individual view was somehow weighted, but that all views considered together would tend to cluster around my results for any distance and motion difference pairs. In other words there would be a lot

### Re: Block Universes

On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Jesse, Yes, you are right. I phrased it incorrectly. What I meant to say was not that each individual view was somehow weighted, but that all views considered together would tend to cluster around my results for any

### Re: Block Universes

Jesse, Yes, but respectfully, what I'm saying is that your example doesn't represent my method OR results. In your example of A and B separated but moving at the same velocity and direction, and C and D separated but moving at the same velocity and direction, BUT the two PAIRS moving at

### Re: Block Universes

Jesse, Yes, the views are infinite on several axes, but that can be addressed simply by enumerating views at standard intervals on those axes. Or you could equally integrate over the continuous functions. Considered together simply means you plot the correlation each frame view (at the

### Re: Block Universes

Jesse, PS: It is well known that accelerations and gravitation are the ONLY causes that produce real actual age rate changes. These real actual age rate changes are real and actual because 1. ALL OBSERVERS AGREE on them when they meet up and check them, and 2.BECAUSE THEY ARE PERMANENT.

### Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

On 6 March 2014 04:39, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: The biggest energy source we have available in fact is energy efficiency. I am certainly in favor of energy efficiency, only a fool would not be,

### Re: Block Universes

On 6 March 2014 09:12, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Jesse, PS: It is well known that accelerations and gravitation are the ONLY causes that produce real actual age rate changes. These real actual age rate changes are real and actual because 1. ALL OBSERVERS AGREE on them when they

### Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

On Sunday, March 2, 2014 8:54:25 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 3/2/2014 8:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Mar 2014, at 13:36, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: So, why do we get tired, and why is being tired like the way that it is? If its exhaustion, maybe up a couple of days,

### Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

On Monday, March 3, 2014 6:53:16 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Mar 2014, at 19:53, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Sunday, March 2, 2014 4:34:33 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Mar 2014, at 13:36, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: So, why do we get tired, and why is being tired

### Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

On 6 March 2014 06:45, Gabriel Bodeen gabebod...@gmail.com wrote: Brent was right but the explanation could use some examples to show you what's happening. The strangeness that you noticed occurs because you're looking at cases where the proportion is *exactly* 50%. binopdf(2,4,0.5)=0.375

### Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

On Monday, March 3, 2014 5:48:20 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 Chris de Morsella cdemo...@yahoo.com javascript:wrote: With power stations you don't need to worry about the same factors (energy density etc) but you do need to worry about other things And one of

### Re: Block Universes

On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Jesse, Yes, but respectfully, what I'm saying is that your example doesn't represent my method OR results. In your example of A and B separated but moving at the same velocity and direction, and C and D separated but

### Re: Amoeba's Secret, by Bruno Marchal available from Kindle store

On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 8:40:36 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: Many thanks, Russell. Many thanks, Kim. Best, Bruno Is it ok to ask why the prize got revoked? Some kind of politics? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

### Re: Block Universes

On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Jesse, Yes, the views are infinite on several axes, but that can be addressed simply by enumerating views at standard intervals on those axes. But velocity intervals which are equal when the velocities are defined

### Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 7:39 AM Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com

### Re: Block Universes

If you have a continuum of inertial frames with velocities ranging from +c to -c in all possible directions, how are you going to integrate over them? Isn't there a measure problem over an uncountably infinite set? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

### Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

If we are obliged to conserve angular momentum, surely car engines (and tidal power generators) aren't going to work very well? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

### Re: Block Universes

On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Jesse, PS: It is well known that accelerations and gravitation are the ONLY causes that produce real actual age rate changes. These real actual age rate changes are real and actual because 1. ALL OBSERVERS AGREE on them

### Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

On Sunday, March 2, 2014 8:54:25 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 3/2/2014 8:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Mar 2014, at 13:36, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: So, why do we get tired, and why is being tired like the way that it is? If its exhaustion, maybe up a couple of days,

### Re: Block Universes

On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:47 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: If you have a continuum of inertial frames with velocities ranging from +c to -c in all possible directions, how are you going to integrate over them? Isn't there a measure problem over an uncountably infinite set? There's no

### Re: Block Universes

On 6 March 2014 11:01, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:47 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: If you have a continuum of inertial frames with velocities ranging from +c to -c in all possible directions, how are you going to integrate over them? Isn't there a

### Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

On Monday, March 3, 2014 6:47:22 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 7:36 AM, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: John - thanks for having a bash at the questions :o) why do we get tired Because we run out of fuel or because of lactic acid buildup in our muscles. Hi

### Re: MODAL Last exercise

Let's take 3 worlds A B C making a minimal transitive multiverse. ARB and BRC implies ARC. So if we assume ARB and BRC we also get ARC (if we don't assume this we don't have a multiverse or at least not one we can say anything about. []p in this case means the value of p in A is the same as its

### Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 12:20:17 AM UTC, Liz R wrote: On 4 March 2014 13:04, spudb...@aol.com javascript: wrote: I don't have a great comprehension of UDA, but that the foundation of everything must be arithmetic as you say. The more I read papers and research about the holographic

### Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

On Sunday, March 2, 2014 9:31:03 PM UTC, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:54:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/2/2014 8:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Mar 2014, at 13:36, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: So, why do we get tired, and why is being tired like the way that it

### Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 02:26:50PM -0800, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: Soyou're saying its about resting the sensitive visual machinery? Why not do that with an extra pair of eyes and a shift rota? That seems like a legitimate challenge John, since it seems very doable, and the benefit

### Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

On 6 March 2014 11:57, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 02:26:50PM -0800, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: Soyou're saying its about resting the sensitive visual machinery? Why not do that with an extra pair of eyes and a shift rota? That seems like a

### Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

Ghibsa and honored discussioneers: you can say about that darn conscousness anything you like, as long as you cannot identify it. Attribute of a 1st person? that would leave out lots of smilar phenomena - not even assigned to 'a' 1st person. When I tried to collect opinions about Ccness of

### Re: The solar example of a town in Germany

LizR wrote 3-2-14: *(JM:* *Those people of goodwill who want to 'set' the problem by today's knowledge/means are doing a disservice to all.* ) *Well if us people of goodwill don't look at the problem using today's knowledge/means (and maybe try to envisage tomorrow's) who is going to do *

### Re: The solar example of a town in Germany

On 6 March 2014 12:42, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: LizR wrote 3-2-14: *(JM:* *Those people of goodwill who want to 'set' the problem by today's knowledge/means are doing a disservice to all.* ) *Well if us people of goodwill don't look at the problem using today's knowledge/means

### Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:57:30 PM UTC, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 02:26:50PM -0800, ghi...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: Soyou're saying its about resting the sensitive visual machinery? Why not do that with an extra pair of eyes and a shift rota? That

### Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:55:47 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: On 6 March 2014 11:57, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.aujavascript: wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 02:26:50PM -0800, ghi...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: Soyou're saying its about resting the sensitive visual machinery?

### RE: Tegmark and UDA step 3

Hi Jason/Gabriel Thanks for the posts. They were both really clear. I can see that it was a mistake to hedge my bets on exact figures and also, given Jason's comments, to think that seemingly regular sequences were quite common. I do maintain that proportions of roughly 50/50 splits are a

### Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

Brent, could you please reply to Edgar? He is, I'm sure, eagerly awaiting your response so he can unleash a torrent of carefully thought out arguments which will cover every point you've made. (As indeed am I.) On 1 March 2014 13:46, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Brent, Are you

### Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 04:13:26PM -0800, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:57:30 PM UTC, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 02:26:50PM -0800, ghi...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: Soyou're saying its about resting the sensitive visual

### Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

Another suggestion, which I would say is (more or less) discredited by the existence of animals that switch brain hemispheres to stay awake, was the idea that it's simply *safer *to spend some of your time inactive, especially for a prey animal. -- You received this message because you are

### RE: Tegmark and UDA step 3

Hi Bruno The question is: can you refute this. To my own satisfaction? Yes. To your satisfaction? Apparantly not. Though perhaps you have an ideological agenda and are just trying very hard not to be refuted? And for the UDA, you don't need the 50%. You need only to assess the

### Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

On Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:37:48 AM UTC, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 04:13:26PM -0800, ghi...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:57:30 PM UTC, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 02:26:50PM -0800,

### Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

On Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:52:20 AM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:37:48 AM UTC, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 04:13:26PM -0800, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:57:30 PM UTC, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed,

### Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

On Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:45:11 AM UTC, Liz R wrote: Another suggestion, which I would say is (more or less) discredited by the existence of animals that switch brain hemispheres to stay awake, was the idea that it's simply *safer *to spend some of your time inactive, especially for a

### Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 05:52:20PM -0800, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: I'd always defer to an aussie on sharks...but I'm curious how they get the oxygen onto their gills. Could it be they exploit currents that certain kinds of cave might produce? What happens when two windows are open on a

### Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

On Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:52:20 AM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:37:48 AM UTC, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 04:13:26PM -0800, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:57:30 PM UTC, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed,

### Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

On Thursday, March 6, 2014 2:47:15 AM UTC, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 05:52:20PM -0800, ghi...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: I'd always defer to an aussie on sharks...but I'm curious how they get the oxygen onto their gills. Could it be they exploit currents

### Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

On 6 March 2014 15:47, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: Could be - I have heard the factoid that some sharks need to keep moving. What I don't know is whether it is an urban myth or not. As ever, the fount of all knowledge has the answer! From

### Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

On 6 March 2014 15:47, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: and then there's that little critter Davie 'crocket' Attenborough wheels out on the origin of life story... Davie 'crocket' Attenborough?!?! I've never heard him called that before. (The Whispering Voice of Television Documentaries, yes...) --

### Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

On Thursday, March 6, 2014 3:16:03 AM UTC, Liz R wrote: On 6 March 2014 15:47, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.aujavascript: wrote: Could be - I have heard the factoid that some sharks need to keep moving. What I don't know is whether it is an urban myth or not. As ever, the fount of

### RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:05 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: There are over 7 billion people on the planet, never before in the history of the Earth has a large animal (over

### Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

On 05 Mar 2014, at 18:45, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: Brent was right but the explanation could use some examples to show you what's happening. The strangeness that you noticed occurs because you're looking at cases where the proportion is *exactly* 50%. binopdf(2,4,0.5)=0.375