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Sorry Chris, in a world of nasty, stubborn, skeptics, unwilling to genuflect
at the great, green Gaia, expect lots of disagreeable people like me. What
you have put forth does
So, no response to my question about whether the paper I linked to was the
one you were talking about, and my pointing out that p. B8 of the paper
clearly indicates that it'll make a major difference to the temperature in
100 years whether we reduce emissions or carry on with business as usual?
As
Hi Bruno,
Thanks, that helps. Can you expand a bit on <>t? Unfortunately I haven't
had the time to follow the modal logic threads, so please forgive me but I
don't understand how you could represent reality with <>t.
Thanks,
T
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> Hi Terran
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>>Jesus, Chris. You must think that people all fit into nice little shoe boxes,
>>easily, applied taxonimies. Yea vearilly, no.
No just people, lik
>> It depends, sometimes yes... But at other times thought provoking gloom can
>> be fun, while light, non-gloom fun can seem cheap and pandering. Just
>> depends on situation. Right now, I don't know if what I'm listening to is
>> light or gloomy and thought provoking. It has a minimal sort of
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From: LizR
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Sent: Tue, Mar 11, 2014 7:08 pm
Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating
You may have some good points in there, but burying them under a pile
of "amusing" sarcasm just makes me, at least, think you don't ha
Jesus, Chris. You must think that people all fit into nice little shoe
boxes, easily, applied taxonimies. Yea vearilly, no.
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From: Chris de Morsella
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Sent: Tue, Mar 11, 2014 7:14 pm
Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorat
>> and prefer my songs interesting and quirky and catchy and fun (or in the
>> case of the Smiths, the opposite of fun)
(OK, except for "Poker face" :-)
Yeah I used to furrow my brow a lot and listen to thought provoking gloom but
these days fun is where its at. Lady G gets a lot of air time
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Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:57 PM
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>>Yes indeed! And the acid rain is a-pouring down, and everyone's face is
>>a-sizzl
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:13 AM, chris peck wrote:
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> *>> and prefer my songs interesting and quirky and catchy and fun (or in
> the case of the Smiths, the opposite of fun)(OK, except for "Poker face"
> :-)*
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> Yeah I used to furrow my brow a lot and listen to thought provoking gloom
> bu
You may have some good points in there, but burying them under a pile of
"amusing" sarcasm just makes me, at least, think you don't have anything
worthwhile to say.
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From: LizR
Well, "a-Popin" is a bit of a giveaway :-)
Amen... and praise be :)
On 12 March 2014 12:14, Chris de Morsella wrote:
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Well, "a-Popin" is a bit of a giveaway :-)
On 12 March 2014 12:14, Chris de Morsella wrote:
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On 12 March 2014 14:10, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
> But at other times thought provoking gloom can be fun
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-cD4oLk_D0
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On 12 March 2014 06:44, meekerdb wrote:
> On 3/11/2014 12:00 AM, LizR wrote:
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> I must admit I've heard the extinction rate is way higher than usual -
> asteroid / methane burp high. (Although if it's us or them, as I said,
> that's a different story...)
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> The trouble is that it may be us AND
From: "spudboy...@aol.com"
>>I hopefully, wouldn't think that there's a tea party or libertarian view of
>>science. The libertarians, unless I am wrong, are 100% pro-science, many
>>atheists, and all that. Your 1 extinction rate claim appears specious,
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 1:50 PM, John Clark wrote:
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> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Jesse Mazer wrote:
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>> >> because before you initiate a policy that will impoverish the world
>>> for many generations and kill lots and lots and lots of people
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>> > What "policies" are you talki
I hopefully, wouldn't think that there's a tea party or libertarian view of
science. The libertarians, unless I am wrong, are 100% pro-science, many
atheists, and all that. Your 1 extinction rate claim appears specious,
because if this was the case, not a tweet bird wouldn't exist, nor we b
From: "spudboy...@aol.com"
Oh I hear you about facts, but which facts are relevent? Where's the
cause and effect, and with the climatoligists, involved at East Anglia
and U Penn, where's the hockey stick? What is your solution for
remediating the big mes
Oh I hear you about facts, but which facts are relevent? Where's the
cause and effect, and with the climatoligists, involved at East Anglia
and U Penn, where's the hockey stick? What is your solution for
remediating the big mess you are insisting we are in? (whomever I am?).
-Original Me
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>> Yah. I do view mountains of evidence, and intake what I read. But I also
>> evaluate which of the evidence seems most, compelling, and, in the case of
>> climate, appears, questionable, or exaggerated. And, especially does n
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Hi Terran,
On 11 Mar 2014, at 17:10, Terren Suydam wrote:
Hi Bruno,
Sure, "consciousness here-and-now" is undoubtable. But the p refers
to the contents of consciousness, which is not undoubtable in many
cases. "I am in pain" cannot be doubted when one is feeling it, but
other felt sens
On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 3:59:22 PM UTC, John Clark wrote:
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> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:04 PM, > wrote:
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> > I think on the scale of 4 billion years the sort of margin we're talking
>> about is that necessary to keep water liquid on the surface.
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> At least twice in the last 4 billi
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 12:33 PM, wrote:
> Thrre was a report judt last week released by the NAS and the UK Royal
> Society indicating that switching power sources will not help.
You're just repeating yourself, did you actually read my response? I asked
if you were talking about the report at
h
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Jesse Mazer wrote:
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> >> because before you initiate a policy that will impoverish the world
>> for many generations and kill lots and lots and lots of people
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> > What "policies" are you talking about that would have these supposed
> effects?
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Shut down
On 3/11/2014 12:00 AM, LizR wrote:
I must admit I've heard the extinction rate is way higher than usual - asteroid /
methane burp high. (Although if it's us or them, as I said, that's a different story...)
The trouble is that it may be us AND them (except for the bateria).
Brent
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From: "spudboy...@aol.com"
>> I think that if extinction rates was 10k, you would already see silent
spring round the globe. It smells of alarmism, to get people to march
to the fearless leaders tune.
You "think" a lot spudboy -- why not go review the m
I think that if extinction rates was 10k, you would already see silent
spring round the globe. It smells of alarmism, to get people to march
to the fearless leaders tune. Its like the Marx brothers joke: who are
you going to believe, you own two eyes or me! The academics, I
suspect, are doing
On 10 Mar 2014, at 08:14, LizR wrote:
I would imagine the reason we only perceive one reality is because
the brain (and body) are "classical", which almost begs the question
of course, but it means that whatever causes macro-objects to
generally behave classically also applies to the brain
Thrre was a report judt last week released by the NAS and the UK Royal
Society indicating that switching power sources will not help.
Secondly, the behavior of pols and the super rich are not consistent
with this new report, or fears of an insurging ocean. This peaks my
suspicion. But fear not,
On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:10:31 PM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote:
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> Hi Bruno,
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> Sure, "consciousness here-and-now" is undoubtable. But the p refers to the
> contents of consciousness, which is not undoubtable in many cases. "I am in
> pain" cannot be doubted when one is feeling it, but o
Hi Bruno,
Sure, "consciousness here-and-now" is undoubtable. But the p refers to the
contents of consciousness, which is not undoubtable in many cases. "I am in
pain" cannot be doubted when one is feeling it, but other felt sensations
can be doubted, e.g. see
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:04 PM, wrote:
> I think on the scale of 4 billion years the sort of margin we're talking
> about is that necessary to keep water liquid on the surface.
>
At least twice in the last 4 billion years water WAS kept below the
freezing point at the surface, from the pole con
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[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR
I must admit I've heard the extinction rate is way higher than usual -
asteroid / methane burp high. (Although if it's us or them, as I said,
that's a different story...)
Liz - it is not he
On 10 Mar 2014, at 22:01, Gabriel Bodeen wrote:
On Monday, March 10, 2014 2:08:14 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
That relativism argues against comp, and even implicitly against
Church thesis. But my point is not that comp is true, just that with
comp, the theory QM + comp is redundant, an
On 10 Mar 2014, at 19:14, David Nyman wrote:
On 10 March 2014 17:43, Bruno Marchal wrote:
or to bet on normal higher level of simulation, like with Böstrom
Could you elaborate?
Imagine you "embed yourself" in a virtual environment "hereby". We
might easily fake a reality obeying differen
On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 1:21:52 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Monday, March 10, 2014 1:49:01 PM UTC, chris peck wrote:
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>> >> you are saying that something musically significant happened here
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>> Something significant happened to pop music for sure.
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>> In 1977 the charts were
On Monday, March 10, 2014 1:49:01 PM UTC, chris peck wrote:
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> >> you are saying that something musically significant happened here
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> Something significant happened to pop music for sure.
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> In 1977 the charts were dominated by David Soul, Rod Stewart, Brotherhood
> of Man, Leo Sayer, Hot Cho
I must admit I've heard the extinction rate is way higher than usual -
asteroid / methane burp high. (Although if it's us or them, as I said,
that's a different story...)
On 11 March 2014 15:59, Chris de Morsella wrote:
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