Re: The way the future was

2014-03-11 Thread LizR
That was cool - and almost all of them were songs I wouldn't give house room to. But it reminded me why I don't like MOR, anthemic, all-sounds-the-same stuff, and prefer my songs interesting and quirky and catchy and fun (or in the case of the Smiths, the opposite of fun) (OK, except for Poker

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread LizR
I must admit I've heard the extinction rate is way higher than usual - asteroid / methane burp high. (Although if it's us or them, as I said, that's a different story...) On 11 March 2014 15:59, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com

Re: The way the future was

2014-03-11 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, March 10, 2014 1:49:01 PM UTC, chris peck wrote: you are saying that something musically significant happened here Something significant happened to pop music for sure. In 1977 the charts were dominated by David Soul, Rod Stewart, Brotherhood of Man, Leo Sayer, Hot Chocolate,

Re: The way the future was

2014-03-11 Thread ghibbsa
On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 1:21:52 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, March 10, 2014 1:49:01 PM UTC, chris peck wrote: you are saying that something musically significant happened here Something significant happened to pop music for sure. In 1977 the charts were dominated by

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

2014-03-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Mar 2014, at 19:14, David Nyman wrote: On 10 March 2014 17:43, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: or to bet on normal higher level of simulation, like with Böstrom Could you elaborate? Imagine you embed yourself in a virtual environment hereby. We might easily fake a reality

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

2014-03-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Mar 2014, at 22:01, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Monday, March 10, 2014 2:08:14 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: That relativism argues against comp, and even implicitly against Church thesis. But my point is not that comp is true, just that with comp, the theory QM + comp is redundant,

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR I must admit I've heard the extinction rate is way higher than usual - asteroid / methane burp high. (Although if it's us or them, as I said, that's a different story...) Liz - it is not

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:04 PM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: I think on the scale of 4 billion years the sort of margin we're talking about is that necessary to keep water liquid on the surface. At least twice in the last 4 billion years water WAS kept below the freezing point at the surface,

truth of experience

2014-03-11 Thread Terren Suydam
Hi Bruno, Sure, consciousness here-and-now is undoubtable. But the p refers to the contents of consciousness, which is not undoubtable in many cases. I am in pain cannot be doubted when one is feeling it, but other felt sensations can be doubted, e.g. see

Re: truth of experience

2014-03-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:10:31 PM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi Bruno, Sure, consciousness here-and-now is undoubtable. But the p refers to the contents of consciousness, which is not undoubtable in many cases. I am in pain cannot be doubted when one is feeling it, but other felt

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread spudboy100
Thrre was a report judt last week released by the NAS and the UK Royal Society indicating that switching power sources will not help. Secondly, the behavior of pols and the super rich are not consistent with this new report, or fears of an insurging ocean. This peaks my suspicion. But fear

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

2014-03-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Mar 2014, at 08:14, LizR wrote: I would imagine the reason we only perceive one reality is because the brain (and body) are classical, which almost begs the question of course, but it means that whatever causes macro-objects to generally behave classically also applies to the brain.

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread spudboy100
I think that if extinction rates was 10k, you would already see silent spring round the globe. It smells of alarmism, to get people to march to the fearless leaders tune. Its like the Marx brothers joke: who are you going to believe, you own two eyes or me! The academics, I suspect, are doing

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: spudboy...@aol.com spudboy...@aol.com I think that if extinction rates was 10k, you would already see silent spring round the globe. It smells of alarmism, to get people to march to the fearless leaders tune.  You think a lot spudboy -- why not go

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread meekerdb
On 3/11/2014 12:00 AM, LizR wrote: I must admit I've heard the extinction rate is way higher than usual - asteroid / methane burp high. (Although if it's us or them, as I said, that's a different story...) The trouble is that it may be us AND them (except for the bateria). Brent -- You

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: because before you initiate a policy that will impoverish the world for many generations and kill lots and lots and lots of people What policies are you talking about that would have these supposed effects? Shut

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 12:33 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Thrre was a report judt last week released by the NAS and the UK Royal Society indicating that switching power sources will not help. You're just repeating yourself, did you actually read my response? I asked if you were talking

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread ghibbsa
On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 3:59:22 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:04 PM, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I think on the scale of 4 billion years the sort of margin we're talking about is that necessary to keep water liquid on the surface. At least twice in

Re: truth of experience

2014-03-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Terran, On 11 Mar 2014, at 17:10, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi Bruno, Sure, consciousness here-and-now is undoubtable. But the p refers to the contents of consciousness, which is not undoubtable in many cases. I am in pain cannot be doubted when one is feeling it, but other felt

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread spudboy100
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Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: spudboy...@aol.com spudboy...@aol.com Yah. I do view mountains of evidence, and intake what I read. But I also evaluate which of the evidence seems most, compelling, and, in the case of climate, appears, questionable, or exaggerated. And,

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread spudboy100
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Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread spudboy100
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Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread spudboy100
Oh I hear you about facts, but which facts are relevent? Where's the cause and effect, and with the climatoligists, involved at East Anglia and U Penn, where's the hockey stick? What is your solution for remediating the big mess you are insisting we are in? (whomever I am?). -Original

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: spudboy...@aol.com spudboy...@aol.com Oh I hear you about facts, but which facts are relevent? Where's the cause and effect, and with the climatoligists, involved at East Anglia and U Penn, where's the hockey stick? What is your solution for

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread spudboy100
I hopefully, wouldn't think that there's a tea party or libertarian view of science. The libertarians, unless I am wrong, are 100% pro-science, many atheists, and all that. Your 1 extinction rate claim appears specious, because if this was the case, not a tweet bird wouldn't exist, nor we

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 1:50 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: because before you initiate a policy that will impoverish the world for many generations and kill lots and lots and lots of people What

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: spudboy...@aol.com spudboy...@aol.com I hopefully, wouldn't think that there's a tea party or libertarian view of science. The libertarians, unless I am wrong, are 100% pro-science, many atheists, and all that. Your 1 extinction rate claim appears

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread LizR
On 12 March 2014 06:44, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/11/2014 12:00 AM, LizR wrote: I must admit I've heard the extinction rate is way higher than usual - asteroid / methane burp high. (Although if it's us or them, as I said, that's a different story...) The trouble is that it

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread spudboy100
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Re: The way the future was

2014-03-11 Thread LizR
On 12 March 2014 14:10, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.comwrote: But at other times thought provoking gloom can be fun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-cD4oLk_D0 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe

Re: The way the future was

2014-03-11 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:13 AM, chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.comwrote: * and prefer my songs interesting and quirky and catchy and fun (or in the case of the Smiths, the opposite of fun)(OK, except for Poker face :-)* Yeah I used to furrow my brow a lot and listen to thought

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread spudboy100
Jesus, Chris. You must think that people all fit into nice little shoe boxes, easily, applied taxonimies. Yea vearilly, no. -Original Message- From: Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Mar 11, 2014 7:14 pm Subject:

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread spudboy100
-Original Message- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Mar 11, 2014 7:08 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating You may have some good points in there, but burying them under a pile of amusing

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com Well, a-Popin is a bit of a giveaway :-) Amen... and praise be :) On 12 March 2014 12:14, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: From: spudboy...@aol.com spudboy...@aol.com

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread LizR
Well, a-Popin is a bit of a giveaway :-) On 12 March 2014 12:14, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: -- *From:* spudboy...@aol.com spudboy...@aol.com *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:57 PM *Subject:* Re:

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread LizR
You may have some good points in there, but burying them under a pile of amusing sarcasm just makes me, at least, think you don't have anything worthwhile to say. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group

RE: The way the future was

2014-03-11 Thread chris peck
and prefer my songs interesting and quirky and catchy and fun (or in the case of the Smiths, the opposite of fun) (OK, except for Poker face :-) Yeah I used to furrow my brow a lot and listen to thought provoking gloom but these days fun is where its at. Lady G gets a lot of air time at

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: spudboy...@aol.com spudboy...@aol.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:57 PM Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Yes indeed! And the acid rain is a-pouring down, and everyone's

RE: The way the future was

2014-03-11 Thread chris peck
It depends, sometimes yes... But at other times thought provoking gloom can be fun, while light, non-gloom fun can seem cheap and pandering. Just depends on situation. Right now, I don't know if what I'm listening to is light or gloomy and thought provoking. It has a minimal sort of machine

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread Chris de Morsella
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Jesus, Chris. You must think that people all fit into nice little shoe boxes, easily, applied taxonimies. Yea vearilly, no. No just people, like

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread spudboy100
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RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread spudboy100
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Re: truth of experience

2014-03-11 Thread Terren Suydam
Hi Bruno, Thanks, that helps. Can you expand a bit on t? Unfortunately I haven't had the time to follow the modal logic threads, so please forgive me but I don't understand how you could represent reality with t. Thanks, T On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread Jesse Mazer
So, no response to my question about whether the paper I linked to was the one you were talking about, and my pointing out that p. B8 of the paper clearly indicates that it'll make a major difference to the temperature in 100 years whether we reduce emissions or carry on with business as usual?

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sorry Chris, in a world of nasty, stubborn, skeptics, unwilling to genuflect at the great, green Gaia, expect lots of disagreeable people like me. What you have put forth does