Re: Should animals be treated as people?

On 05 Jun 2014, at 00:04, LizR wrote: If you have any doubts, just look at the scrolling messages underneath. It's DEFINITELY a spoof! I looked at many "onions", and have few doubt that those are 'spoof'. Very funny. I liked very much the one on al qaeda :) Be careful because spoof does

Re: Pluto bounces back!

On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > On 29-May-2014, at 12:07 am, meekerdb wrote: > > On 5/28/2014 9:50 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > You assume that Islam is unethical. Quranic teachings are based on > beautiful moral principles and enjoin ethical and just relations among

Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

> > Right now our Universe is expanding. It is either going to expand > forever or it will sometime in the future stop expanding. Then what? Then > will it just stay that way or it will begin to contract. I am not the > first person that have suggested that universes expand then contract then

Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

On 5 June 2014 14:11, John Ross wrote: > It is very unlikely that we are at the center of our Universe. You need > to read about integrating spheres. And you need to read Chapter XXII,“THE > COLD PLASMA SHELL OF OUR UNIVERSE”. > Could you explain in a few words why an IS would look like the CM

RE: TRONNIES - SPACE

It is very unlikely that we are at the center of our Universe. You need to read about integrating spheres. And you need to read Chapter XXII,“THE COLD PLASMA SHELL OF OUR UNIVERSE”. What makes you think our Universe does not have a shell? Does it go on forever in all direction? Right now

Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

On 5 June 2014 13:39, John Ross wrote: > My theory predicts anti-particles and explains the internal structure of > the basic particles, electrons, positrons and entrons. Your’s do not. > The standard model does all that, too. > The only force in the Universe is the Coulomb force. And there

RE: TRONNIES - SPACE

My theory predicts anti-particles and explains the internal structure of the basic particles, electrons, positrons and entrons. Your’s do not. The only force in the Universe is the Coulomb force. And there is no strong force. I never understood the electroweak force. There is a force of gra

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

On 5 June 2014 07:49, wrote: > > You manage one or the other to avoid my argument, pretty much since the > beginning. > >> >> Not on purpose. I don't get your argument. Not sure anyone get it. >> > > You're a liar. You didn't even read my definition of falsification. > Russell Standish read it..

Re: Should animals be treated as people?

If you have any doubts, just look at the scrolling messages underneath. It's DEFINITELY a spoof! On 5 June 2014 04:17, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 29 May 2014, at 03:56, meekerdb wrote: > > On 5/28/2014 6:48 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 29 May 2014 13:43, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 5/28/2014 6:28 PM,

Re: Gödel’s Loophole

On 4 June 2014 23:10, Telmo Menezes wrote: > On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:52 PM, LizR wrote: > >> On 4 June 2014 22:43, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:23 PM, meekerdb wrote: >>> On 6/3/2014 9:35 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: That is the great flaw of constitution

Re: Pluto bounces back!

Brent, your argument is fine and it is less likely that 'family members' of a killed one will KILL the wrong person than in a lawsuit where lawyers lie ad libitum. Furthermore a "revenge killing" may sooth the emotions of family members (maybe not so close ones, but as getting to someone related to

Re: Pluto bounces back!

On 4 June 2014 23:13, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 04 Jun 2014, at 11:30, LizR wrote: > > Maybe I misunderstood what you meant. You said > > Countries with death penalty have usually more homicides than the others. >>> Well, that's my opinion. >> >> So I thought it was your opinion that countries w

Re: Pluto bounces back!

Bruno, the case where you may be wrong is *"death penalty...does not deter people to kill..." *not even the perpetrator(?) except when (s)he is the executed person. Many killers kill again, not the dead ones. There is a 'human' emotion to GET EVEN, kill the killer, while there is a large internatio

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:33:28 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 04 Jun 2014, at 02:33, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 5:48:10 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> "My" theory is comp. I just make it precise, by 1) Church thesis (en the >> amount of logic and

Re: Deutsch Deutsch Deutsch Deutsch Deutsch

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 5:18:57 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: > > He's released his first theory in the constructor theoretic framework. I > hope people will read it and say what they think...cos I probably can't > understand it. > > http://arxiv.org/abs/1405.5563 > > > Well I got round t

Re: Should animals be treated as people?

On 29 May 2014, at 03:56, meekerdb wrote: On 5/28/2014 6:48 PM, LizR wrote: On 29 May 2014 13:43, meekerdb wrote: On 5/28/2014 6:28 PM, LizR wrote: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/innovators/2014/05/140528-lori-marino-dolphins-animals-personhood-blackfish-taiji-science-world/?utm_sour

Re: Pluto bounces back!

On 04 Jun 2014, at 13:36, meekerdb wrote: On 6/4/2014 12:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Jun 2014, at 00:40, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: No family, then it depends on the nature of the crime. Sparing a killer for a price? This reminds me of why the US doesn't have race riots a

Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:08 PM, John Ross wrote: > If you identify a volume and remove everything within it, you would be > left with empty space in the volume. > And that is exactly what Euclid would say, but we've learned a few things in the last 2500 years and today we know that it is physic

Re: Gödel’s Loophole

On 6/4/2014 3:43 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:23 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 6/3/2014 9:35 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: That is the great flaw of constitutional systems based on "paper" formulas and automatic mechanisms.

Re: Pluto bounces back!

On 6/4/2014 12:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Jun 2014, at 00:40, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: No family, then it depends on the nature of the crime. Sparing a killer for a price? This reminds me of why the US doesn't have race riots anymore, like the LA Rodney King riots. Most oft

Re: Pluto bounces back!

On 04 Jun 2014, at 11:30, LizR wrote: Maybe I misunderstood what you meant. You said Countries with death penalty have usually more homicides than the others. Well, that's my opinion. So I thought it was your opinion that countries with the death penalty have more murders. Well, yes. (I

Re: Gödel’s Loophole

On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:52 PM, LizR wrote: > On 4 June 2014 22:43, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:23 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> On 6/3/2014 9:35 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> >>> That is the great flaw of constitutional systems based on "paper" formulas and automatic

Re: Pluto bounces back!

On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:03 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > You may be correct indeed, but if being part of the "civilized world" > protects violent, predatory, criminals, including, (drumroll) Islamists and > Putin, the I suppose I will demur from

Re: Gödel’s Loophole

On 4 June 2014 22:43, Telmo Menezes wrote: > On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:23 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 6/3/2014 9:35 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> That is the great flaw of constitutional systems based on "paper" >>> formulas and automatic mechanisms. >>> >>> without that unenforceable set of

Re: Gödel’s Loophole

On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:23 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 6/3/2014 9:35 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > That is the great flaw of constitutional systems based on "paper" >> formulas and automatic mechanisms. >> >> without that unenforceable set of values and compromises, a >> constitutional system can

Re: Pluto bounces back!

Maybe I misunderstood what you meant. You said Countries with death penalty have usually more homicides than the others. >> Well, that's my opinion. > > So I thought it was your opinion that countries with the death penalty have more murders. Hence my answer. Anyway, for your information, on the t

Re: Pluto bounces back!

On 04 Jun 2014, at 10:12, LizR wrote: I should have said murder rate is per 100,000 etc... the key is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate On 4 June 2014 20:07, LizR wrote: On 4 June 2014 19:14, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Jun 2014, at 00:40, s

Re: Pluto bounces back!

I should have said murder rate is per 100,000 etc... the key is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate On 4 June 2014 20:07, LizR wrote: > On 4 June 2014 19:14, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 04 Jun 2014, at 00:40, spudboy100 via Everything List wr

Re: Pluto bounces back!

On 4 June 2014 19:14, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 04 Jun 2014, at 00:40, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: > > No family, then it depends on the nature of the crime. Sparing a killer >> for a price? This reminds me of why the US doesn't have race riots anymore, >> like the LA Rodney King rio

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

On 04 Jun 2014, at 02:33, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 5:48:10 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: "My" theory is comp. I just make it precise, by 1) Church thesis (en the amount of logic and arithmetic to expose and argue for it), and 2) "yes doctor" (and the amount of tu

Re: Pluto bounces back!

On 04 Jun 2014, at 00:40, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: No family, then it depends on the nature of the crime. Sparing a killer for a price? This reminds me of why the US doesn't have race riots anymore, like the LA Rodney King riots. Most often, there are "settlements" as when pol

Re: Gödel’s Loophole

On 03 Jun 2014, at 23:15, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:23 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 6/3/2014 9:35 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: That is the great flaw of constitutional systems based on "paper" formulas and automatic mechanisms. without that unenforceable set of values and comprom