Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, January 12, 2013 6:46:23 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:58:32 PM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: Hi Craig, I tend to agree with what you say (or what I

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Jan 2013, at 14:07, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, January 11, 2013 12:27:54 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/10/2013 9:20 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:33:06 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/10/2013 4:23 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Do you think there can be

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Jan 2013, at 22:08, meekerdb wrote: On 1/11/2013 11:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Jan 2013, at 23:28, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/10/2013 1:58 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Craig, I tend to agree with

Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:58:32 PM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: Hi Craig, I tend to agree with what you say (or what I understand of it). Despite my belief that it is possible to extract memories (or their 3p

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:33 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/10/2013 4:23 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Do you think there can be something that is intelligent but not complex (and use whatever definitions of intelligent and complex you want). A thermostat is much less complex

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, January 11, 2013 12:27:54 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/10/2013 9:20 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:33:06 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/10/2013 4:23 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Do you think there can be something that is intelligent but not complex

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-11 Thread meekerdb
On 1/11/2013 2:12 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:33 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/10/2013 4:23 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Do you think there can be something that is intelligent but not complex (and use

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Jan 2013, at 23:28, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/10/2013 1:58 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Craig, I tend to agree with what you say (or what I understand of it). Despite my belief that it is possible to extract

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-11 Thread meekerdb
On 1/11/2013 11:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Jan 2013, at 23:28, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/10/2013 1:58 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Craig, I tend to agree with what you

Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Craig, I tend to agree with what you say (or what I understand of it). Despite my belief that it is possible to extract memories (or their 3p shadows) from a brain, I do not believe in the neuroscience hypothesis that consciousness emerges from brain activity. I'm not sure I believe that there

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-10 Thread meekerdb
On 1/10/2013 1:58 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Craig, I tend to agree with what you say (or what I understand of it). Despite my belief that it is possible to extract memories (or their 3p shadows) from a brain, I do not believe in the neuroscience hypothesis that consciousness emerges from

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/10/2013 1:58 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Craig, I tend to agree with what you say (or what I understand of it). Despite my belief that it is possible to extract memories (or their 3p shadows) from a brain, I do

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-10 Thread meekerdb
On 1/10/2013 2:28 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/10/2013 1:58 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Craig, I tend to agree with what you say (or what I understand of it). Despite my

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:01 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/10/2013 2:28 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/10/2013 1:58 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Craig, I tend to agree with what you say (or what I

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-10 Thread meekerdb
On 1/10/2013 3:15 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:01 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/10/2013 2:28 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:58 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/10/2013 3:15 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:01 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/10/2013 2:28 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM, meekerdb

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-10 Thread meekerdb
On 1/10/2013 4:23 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Do you think there can be something that is intelligent but not complex (and use whatever definitions of intelligent and complex you want). A thermostat is much less complex than a human brain but intelligent under my definition. But much

Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-10 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:58:32 PM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: Hi Craig, I tend to agree with what you say (or what I understand of it). Despite my belief that it is possible to extract memories (or their 3p shadows) from a brain, As long as you have another brain to experience

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-10 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:33:06 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/10/2013 4:23 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Do you think there can be something that is intelligent but not complex (and use whatever definitions of intelligent and complex you want). A thermostat is much less complex

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-10 Thread meekerdb
On 1/10/2013 9:20 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:33:06 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/10/2013 4:23 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Do you think there can be something that is intelligent but not complex (and use whatever definitions of intelligent and

Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Craig, Cool. I actually would have agreed with you and a lot of people here at different times in my life. It's only been lately in the last five years or so that I have put together this other way of understanding everything. It gets lost in the debating, because I feel like I have to

Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:18:37 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: Hi Craig, Cool. I actually would have agreed with you and a lot of people here at different times in my life. It's only been lately in the last five years or so that I have put together this other way of

Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
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Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-07 Thread Craig Weinberg
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Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - *From:* Craig Weinberg *Receiver:* everything-list *Time:* 2013-01-05, 11:37:17 *Subject:* Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer On Saturday, January 5, 2013 10:43:32 AM UTC-5

Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-07 Thread Craig Weinberg
...@verizon.net] 1/6/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - *From:* Craig Weinberg *Receiver:* everything-list *Time:* 2013-01-05, 11:37:17 *Subject:* Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via

Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-06 Thread Roger Clough
, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-05, 11:37:17 Subject: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer On Saturday, January 5, 2013 10:43:32 AM UTC-5, rclough