Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 7:48:57 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/28/2018 9:17 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > Instead of relativism, philosophers talk of *perspectivism*. > > (Nietzsche is said to be the father of perspectivism. I say, actually, > Kant. ...) > > A Scientist sees a bunc

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 3:06:42 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 7:48:57 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/28/2018 9:17 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> Instead of relativism, philosophers talk of *perspectivism*. >> >> (Nietzsche is said to be

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 28 Oct 2018, at 16:10, John Clark wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 11:02 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > Assuming there is a physical reality [...] > > Assume there is NOT a physical reality and tell me how things would be > different. If mechanism is

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 28 Oct 2018, at 16:16, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:37:16 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 26 Oct 2018, at 21:33, Tomas Pales > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 8:06:03 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> OK. But it seemed to

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 28 Oct 2018, at 17:14, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 12:02 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > You have not read after step 3, > > True, So please does not attribute me propositions which I have never defended anywhere. > and I do not indent to

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 28 Oct 2018, at 17:17, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 10:27:56 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 27 Oct 2018, at 22:59, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Saturd

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 28 Oct 2018, at 19:48, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:02:27 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 27 Oct 2018, at 17:41, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 3:20:23 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 26,

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 28 Oct 2018, at 20:07, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:23:28 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 27 Oct 2018, at 22:36, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 8:17:09 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> On Satu

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 29 Oct 2018, at 00:33, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 10/28/2018 3:27 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:37:05 AM UTC+1, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >> So what? The point I am making is that some mathematical objects exis

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 29 Oct 2018, at 01:18, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 12:33:23 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote: > > There is no logical inconsistency in a flying pink elephant existing right > now in my den beside me. But don't see one. > > First, it is not clear whether the existen

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 4:44:49 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Oct 2018, at 17:17, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 10:27:56 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 27 Oct 2018, at 22:59, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October

Re: The hard problem of matter

> On 28 Oct 2018, at 15:12, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 8:29:32 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 26 Oct 2018, at 18:25, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 9:50:13 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 25 Oct 2018,

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 5:54:10 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/28/2018 7:54 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 3:17:58 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/28/2018 5:18 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 12:33:23 AM UTC+1

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

> On 28 Oct 2018, at 13:21, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 9:27:56 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 25 Oct 2018, at 17:12, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 10:39:11 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >>

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 4:35:39 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > Because finite numbers can be shown to have infinite hallucinations, > especially when they mess with other finite numbers. And that leads to a > testable theology, which includes an explanation of where both quanta a

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 10:35:39 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Oct 2018, at 16:16, Tomas Pales > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:37:16 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 26 Oct 2018, at 21:33, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, October 26, 20

Re: The hard problem of matter

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 5:05:03 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Oct 2018, at 15:12, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 8:29:32 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 26 Oct 2018, at 18:25, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, October 26,

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 5:22:02 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Oct 2018, at 13:21, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 9:27:56 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 25 Oct 2018, at 17:12, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, Octob

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 4:54:10 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/28/2018 7:54 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 3:17:58 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/28/2018 5:18 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 12:33:23 AM UTC+1,

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 10:22:02 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Oct 2018, at 13:21, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 9:27:56 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 25 Oct 2018, at 17:12, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, Octobe

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 2:56 PM wrote: > *What's your view of Zeno's paradox which implies motion is impossible.* Zeno thought it was obvious if you added an infinite number of nonzero lengths or nonzero times together you would always get something that was nfinite, and that is the foundation

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 4:07:41 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 2:56 PM > wrote: > > > *What's your view of Zeno's paradox which implies motion is >> impossible.* > > > Zeno thought it was obvious if you added an infinite number of nonzero > lengths or nonzero time

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 11:07:41 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 2:56 PM > wrote: > > > *What's your view of Zeno's paradox which implies motion is >> impossible.* > > > Zeno thought it was obvious if you added an infinite number of nonzero > lengths or nonzero t

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:36:47 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 11:07:41 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 2:56 PM wrote: >> >> > *What's your view of Zeno's paradox which implies motion is >>> impossible.* >> >> >> Zeno though

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 1:55:27 PM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:36:47 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 11:07:41 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 2:56 PM wrote: >>> >>> > *What'

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 7:06:47 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 1:55:27 PM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:36:47 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 11:07:41 AM UTC

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 7:36:47 PM UTC+1, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 11:07:41 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 2:56 PM wrote: >> >> > *What's your view of Zeno's paradox which implies motion is >>> impossible.* >> >> >> Zeno thou

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 8:46 PM Brent Meeker wrote: >>gravity is 10^36 times weaker than electromagnetism > > > >*This is because the comparison is to the gravitational attraction of > elementary particles, such as two protons. But the masses of elementary > particles like protons are not funda

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 8:33:32 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 7:36:47 PM UTC+1, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 11:07:41 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 2:56 PM wrote: >>> >>> > *What's your v

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 2:36 PM Philip Thrift wrote: >>Zeno thought it was obvious if you added an infinite number of nonzero >> lengths or nonzero times together you would always get something that was >> nfinite, and that is the foundation of his paradox; but with modern >> calculus we know tha

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 5:21 PM wrote: >*If you try to traverse a unit distance in infinite steps such as 1/2, > 1/4, 1/8, 1/16 and so forth, the sum converges to 1, but you will never > traverse the distance even though the sum converges.* Never? If what you say is true then calculus is wrong.

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 10:21:52 PM UTC+1, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 8:33:32 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 7:36:47 PM UTC+1, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 11:07:41 AM UTC-5

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On 10/29/2018 1:06 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 7:48:57 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 10/28/2018 9:17 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: Instead of relativism, philosophers talk of *perspectivism*. (Nietzsche is said to be the father of perspectivism. I say,

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 5:15:28 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 5:21 PM > wrote: > > >*If you try to traverse a unit distance in infinite steps such as 1/2, >> 1/4, 1/8, 1/16 and so forth, the sum converges to 1, but you will never >> traverse the distance even

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On 10/29/2018 3:09 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 5:54:10 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote: On 10/28/2018 7:54 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 3:17:58 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote: On 10/28/2018 5:18 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Mond

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 5:46:13 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/29/2018 1:06 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 7:48:57 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/28/2018 9:17 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> Instead of relativism, philosophers talk of *pe

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On 10/29/2018 3:38 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: An object can be inconsistent in the sense that it can be inconsistently defined - and this I mean in the absolute sense, regardless of theory: an object that is not identical to itself is inconsistent in any theory. Such an object cannot exist. All

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 12:00:10 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote: > > > > Imagine a universe that is the set of all triangles. That means that a law > of this universe determines that only triangles can be members of this > universe. Surely it would be a logical inconsistency if a circle was a >

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 6:48 PM Philip Thrift wrote: > To a mathematical ultrafinitist [ > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrafinitism ], the standard calculus is > wrong. Then I don't want to ever cross a bridge or fly in a airplane that was designed by a engineer that is a ultrafinitist. Joh

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

All On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 8:27:49 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 6:48 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > > To a mathematical ultrafinitist [ >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrafinitism ], the standard calculus is >> wrong. > > > Then I don't want to ever cross