Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, July 21, 2013 8:25:35 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > On 20 July 2013 10:57, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, July 19, 2013 8:21:42 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > >> > >> On 20 July 2013 06:59, Craig Weinberg wrote: > >> > >> >> If a dog started talking in full Engl

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-21 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 20 July 2013 10:57, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Friday, July 19, 2013 8:21:42 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: >> >> On 20 July 2013 06:59, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> If a dog started talking in full English sentences without >> >> manipulation by an outside force the explanation must be in th

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, July 19, 2013 8:21:42 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > On 20 July 2013 06:59, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > > >> If a dog started talking in full English sentences without > >> manipulation by an outside force the explanation must be in the > >> physics of its body. I don't think this s

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-19 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 20 July 2013 06:59, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> If a dog started talking in full English sentences without >> manipulation by an outside force the explanation must be in the >> physics of its body. I don't think this statement is either clever or >> controversial. And if the physics of the dog's

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:00:44 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > On 18 July 2013 23:20, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > > >> I did use the term "rational" perhaps inappropriately. I meant that > >> some aesthetic choices have evolutionary utility and others not. > >> Nevertheless, all aesthetic c

RE: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread chris peck
nitely looks like a tree so I'm sure your onto something. :) From: agocor...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 02:25:26 +0200 Subject: Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction To: everything-list@googlegroups.com That exist an association does not means that this is a mathematical topological i

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Alberto G. Corona
think. > > The 'c' in 'circle' is essy and soft. > > But the 'c' in 'cut' is sharp and 'angular'. > > Same 'curvy' letter though. > > -------------- > From: agocor...@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 19 Jul

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 18 July 2013 23:20, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> I did use the term "rational" perhaps inappropriately. I meant that >> some aesthetic choices have evolutionary utility and others not. >> Nevertheless, all aesthetic choices must be determined by the physics >> of our brain, unless they are determi

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread meekerdb
On 7/18/2013 4:42 PM, chris peck wrote: Hi Alberto But alphabets are not phonemic are they? And some alphabets are curvy (Thai) where as others are very angular (Chinese) Even in Latin based alphabets there are going to be difficulties with your view I think. The 'c' in 'circle' is essy and

RE: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread chris peck
;c' in 'cut' is sharp and 'angular'. Same 'curvy' letter though. From: agocor...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 00:31:51 +0200 Subject: Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction To: everything-list@googlegroups.com If the alphabet is phonethic , I guess so, b

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Alberto G. Corona
riginal Message --- > > From: "Alberto G. Corona" > Sent: 19 July 2013 2:03 AM > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction > > the asimilation sound-shape applies also to the letters: the letters K > and I of

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread chris peck
Hi Alberto I wonder if the phoneme for 'ki' is represented by jagged letters in non Latin based alphabets? --- Original Message --- From: "Alberto G. Corona" Sent: 19 July 2013 2:03 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction t

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Alberto G. Corona
the asimilation sound-shape applies also to the letters: the letters K and I of KIKI have a lot of peaks, while B O U and A of BOUBA have more rounded edges. the forms with Sharp edges are more aggressive, and this is know in design. For example the rounded edges of the Apple products, that is als

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 5:55:36 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:41:28 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: >>>

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, July 18, 2013 1:13:59 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > On 18 July 2013 14:34, meekerdb > > wrote: > > On 7/17/2013 8:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On 17 July 2013 05:37, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > > > > On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > >

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, July 18, 2013 2:27:14 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 7/17/2013 10:13 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > On 18 July 2013 14:34, meekerdb wrote: > > On 7/17/2013 8:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > On 17 July 2013 05:37, Craig Weinberg > wrote: > > On Monday, July 15, 2013

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:34:19 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 7/17/2013 8:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > On 17 July 2013 05:37, Craig Weinberg > wrote: > > On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > Would this kin

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 6:04:46 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 7/16/2013 2:08 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:44:20 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: >> >> On 7/16/2013 1:38 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:18:09 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 5:55:36 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:41:28 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:32 AM, meekerdb w

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-17 Thread meekerdb
On 7/17/2013 10:13 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2013 14:34, meekerdb wrote: On 7/17/2013 8:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 17 July 2013 05:37, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Would t

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-17 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 18 July 2013 14:34, meekerdb wrote: > On 7/17/2013 8:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > On 17 July 2013 05:37, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > Would this kind of universality of human sense

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-17 Thread meekerdb
On 7/17/2013 8:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 17 July 2013 05:37, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Would this kind of universality of human sense-making be likely if the connections between words,

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-17 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 17 July 2013 05:37, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: >> >> On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> Would this kind of universality of human sense-making be likely if the >> connections between words, shapes, and feelings were purely c

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:18:52 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:32 AM, meekerdb wrote: >> >> >> >> On 7/15/2013 2

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread meekerdb
On 7/16/2013 2:08 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:44:20 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/16/2013 1:38 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:18:09 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/16/2013 12:37 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, July

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:41:28 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:32 AM, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>> >>> Would this kind of universality of hum

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:44:20 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 7/16/2013 1:38 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:18:09 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: >> >> On 7/16/2013 12:37 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread meekerdb
On 7/16/2013 1:38 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:18:09 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/16/2013 12:37 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Would this kind of

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread meekerdb
On 7/16/2013 1:37 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:21:27 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/16/2013 12:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:41:28 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:32 AM, meekerdb wrote:

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:18:09 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 7/16/2013 12:37 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: >> >> On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> Would this kind of universality of human sense-making be likely

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:21:27 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 7/16/2013 12:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:41:28 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:32 AM, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Wei

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread meekerdb
On 7/16/2013 12:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:41:28 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:32 AM, meekerdb > wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Would this kind of universality of human sense-making

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread meekerdb
On 7/16/2013 12:37 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Would this kind of universality of human sense-making be likely if the connections between words, shapes, and feelings were purely comp

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:18:52 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:32 AM, meekerdb > > > > wrote: > >> > >> On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > >> > >> Would this

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:41:28 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:32 AM, meekerdb > > wrote: > >> On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> Would this kind of universality of human sense-making be likely if the >> connections between words

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > Would this kind of universality of human sense-making be likely if the > connections between words, shapes, and feelings were purely computational? > > > Why not? Being a broken line v

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:32 AM, meekerdb wrote: >> >> On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> Would this kind of universality of human sense-making be likely if the >> connections between words, shapes, and feeli

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-15 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:32 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > Would this kind of universality of human sense-making be likely if the > connections between words, shapes, and feelings were purely computational? > > > Why not? Being a broken line vs a differe

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-15 Thread meekerdb
On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Would this kind of universality of human sense-making be likely if the connections between words, shapes, and feelings were purely computational? Why not? Being a broken line vs a differentiable line is a computable property. The difference between