Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

> On 9 Jul 2020, at 22:12, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 7/9/2020 3:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 9 Jun 2020, at 19:24, John Clark >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 1:08 PM Jason Resch >>

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On 7/9/2020 3:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 9 Jun 2020, at 19:24, John Clark > wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 1:08 PM Jason Resch > wrote: /> How can we know if a robot is conscious?/ The exact same way we know that one of

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

> On 9 Jun 2020, at 19:24, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 1:08 PM Jason Resch > wrote: > > > How can we know if a robot is conscious? > > The exact same way we know that one of our fellow human beings is conscious > when he's not sleeping or

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

> On 15 Jun 2020, at 20:39, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 6/15/2020 3:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 14 Jun 2020, at 21:45, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/14/2020 4:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

> On 14 Jun 2020, at 21:45, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/14/2020 4:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 14 Jun 2020, at 05:43, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/10/2020 9:00 AM,

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 11:08:30 AM UTC-6, Jason wrote: > > For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable > implications of computationalism on physical law, and instead focus on the > following idea: > > "How can we know if a robot is conscious?" > > Let's say there

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 2:45:53 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > true=/=real. > > > (Venn diagram) ~real ∩ true = ? @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

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On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 8:22:25 PM UTC+2, Jason wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 5:55 PM PGC > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 7:08:30 PM UTC+2, Jason wrote: >>> >>> For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable >>> implications of

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On 6/14/2020 4:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jun 2020, at 05:43, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 6/10/2020 9:00 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, smitra > wrote: On 09-06-2020

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

> On 14 Jun 2020, at 05:43, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/10/2020 9:00 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, smitra > > wrote: >> On 09-06-2020 19:08, Jason Resch wrote: >> For the present discussion/question, I

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On 6/10/2020 9:00 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, smitra > wrote: On 09-06-2020 19:08, Jason Resch wrote: For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable implications of computationalism on physical law,

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

> On 12 Jun 2020, at 22:35, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/12/2020 12:56 PM, smitra wrote: >> Yes, the way we do physics assumes QM and statistical effects are due to the >> rules of QM. But in a more general multiverse setting > > Why should we consider such a

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

> On 12 Jun 2020, at 20:52, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/12/2020 11:38 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 1:34 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> >> >> On 6/10/2020 8:50 AM,

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

> On 12 Jun 2020, at 20:26, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 11:03 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > >> On 9 Jun 2020, at 19:08, Jason Resch > > wrote: >> >> For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

> On 12 Jun 2020, at 20:22, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 5:55 PM PGC > wrote: > > > On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 7:08:30 PM UTC+2, Jason wrote: > For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable > implications of

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

> On 11 Jun 2020, at 21:26, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/11/2020 9:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 9 Jun 2020, at 19:08, Jason Resch >> > wrote: >>> >>> For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable >>>

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

> On 11 Jun 2020, at 20:34, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/10/2020 8:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> Thought perhaps there's an argument to be made from the church Turing >> theses, which pertains to possible states of knowledge accessible to a >> computer

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On 6/12/2020 12:56 PM, smitra wrote: Yes, the way we do physics assumes QM and statistical effects are due to the rules of QM. But in a more general multiverse setting Why should we consider such a thing. where we consider different laws of physics or different initial conditions, the

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On 6/12/2020 12:56 PM, smitra wrote: The details here then involve that computations are not well defined if you refer to a single instant of time, you need to at least appeal to a sequence of states the system over through. Consciousness cannot then be located at a single instant, in

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On 10-06-2020 22:01, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 6/10/2020 7:07 AM, smitra wrote: I think it can be tested indirectly, because generic computational theories of consciousness imply a multiverse. If my consciousness is the result if a computation then because on the one hand

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On 10-06-2020 18:00, Jason Resch wrote: On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, smitra wrote: On 09-06-2020 19:08, Jason Resch wrote: For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable implications of computationalism on physical law, and instead focus on the following idea: "How can

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On 6/12/2020 11:38 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 1:34 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 6/10/2020 8:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > Thought perhaps there's an argument to be made from the church Turing

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 1:34 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 6/10/2020 8:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > Thought perhaps there's an argument to be made from the church Turing > > theses, which pertains to possible states of knowledge

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 11:03 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 9 Jun 2020, at 19:08, Jason Resch wrote: > > For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable > implications of computationalism on physical law, and instead focus on the > following idea: > > "How can we know if a

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 5:55 PM PGC wrote: > > > On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 7:08:30 PM UTC+2, Jason wrote: >> >> For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable >> implications of computationalism on physical law, and instead focus on the >> following idea: >> >> "How can we

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On 6/11/2020 9:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 9 Jun 2020, at 19:08, Jason Resch > wrote: For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable implications of computationalism on physical law, and instead focus on the following idea: "How can we

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On 6/10/2020 8:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Thought perhaps there's an argument to be made from the church Turing theses, which pertains to possible states of knowledge accessible to a computer program/software. If consciousness is viewed as software then Church-Turing thesis implies that

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 05:25, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/9/2020 7:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 11:16, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> >> >> On 6/9/2020 4:58 PM,

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 04:49, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/9/2020 6:41 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 10:41, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> >> >> On 6/9/2020 4:45 PM,

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 01:14, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:03 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > > > On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 03:08, Jason Resch > wrote: > For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 01:02, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 03:08, Jason Resch > wrote: > For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable > implications of computationalism on physical law, and instead focus on the >

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

> On 9 Jun 2020, at 19:08, Jason Resch wrote: > > For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable > implications of computationalism on physical law, and instead focus on the > following idea: > > "How can we know if a robot is conscious?” That question is very different

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 7:08:30 PM UTC+2, Jason wrote: > > For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable > implications of computationalism on physical law, and instead focus on the > following idea: > > "How can we know if a robot is conscious?" > > Let's say there

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On 6/10/2020 7:07 AM, smitra wrote: I think it can be tested indirectly, because generic computational theories of consciousness imply a multiverse. If my consciousness is the result if a computation then because on the one hand any such computation necessarily involves a vast number of

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 01:50, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 13:25, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 6/9/2020 7:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, smitra wrote: > On 09-06-2020 19:08, Jason Resch wrote: > >> For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable >> implications of computationalism on physical law, and instead focus on >> the following idea: >> >> "How can we know if a robot is

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 13:25, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On 6/9/2020 7:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 11:16, 'Brent Meeker' via

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On 09-06-2020 19:08, Jason Resch wrote: For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable implications of computationalism on physical law, and instead focus on the following idea: "How can we know if a robot is conscious?" Let's say there are two brains, one biological and

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 13:25, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 6/9/2020 7:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 11:16, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On 6/9/2020 7:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 11:16, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 6/9/2020 4:58 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 09:32, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 12:49, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 6/9/2020 6:41 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 10:41, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 11:16, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 6/9/2020 4:58 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 09:32, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On 6/9/2020 6:41 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 10:41, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 6/9/2020 4:45 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 09:15, Jason Resch

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 10:41, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 6/9/2020 4:45 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 09:15, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:03 PM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >>

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On 6/9/2020 4:58 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 09:32, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 6/9/2020 4:02 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 03:08, Jason Resch

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On 6/9/2020 4:45 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 09:15, Jason Resch > wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:03 PM Stathis Papaioannou mailto:stath...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 03:08, Jason Resch

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 09:32, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 6/9/2020 4:02 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 03:08, Jason Resch wrote: > >> For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable >>

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On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 09:15, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:03 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 03:08, Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable >>> implications of computationalism on

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On 6/9/2020 4:14 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:03 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 03:08, Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote: For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On 6/9/2020 4:02 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 03:08, Jason Resch > wrote: For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable implications of computationalism on physical law, and instead focus on the

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:03 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 03:08, Jason Resch wrote: > >> For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable >> implications of computationalism on physical law, and instead focus on the >> following idea: >> >> "How

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 2:15:40 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 6/9/2020 10:08 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable > > implications of computationalism on physical law, and instead focus on > > the following idea: > > > > "How

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 03:08, Jason Resch wrote: > For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable > implications of computationalism on physical law, and instead focus on the > following idea: > > "How can we know if a robot is conscious?" > > Let's say there are two brains,

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On 6/9/2020 10:08 AM, Jason Resch wrote: For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable implications of computationalism on physical law, and instead focus on the following idea: "How can we know if a robot is conscious?" Let's say there are two brains, one biological 

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 1:08 PM Jason Resch wrote: *> How can we know if a robot is conscious?* The exact same way we know that one of our fellow human beings is conscious when he's not sleeping or under anesthesia or dead. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed