[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-15 Thread Ingegerd
The TMO in Norway tried to make a lot of fuss about that I teach people outside the TMO, with threats and Lawyers and everything. One day I received a message on my answering machine from the International TMO in Holland, they wanted to talk to me. I send them an e-mail and said don't talk to

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam

[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The TMO in Norway tried to make a lot of fuss about that I teach people outside the TMO, with threats and Lawyers and everything. One day I received a message on my answering machine from the International TMO in

[FairfieldLife] Re:The last Advanced Technique:'Om'?

2005-08-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hell here I come but I remember many years ago, when advanced techniques were a mere $1000 and a good friend (initiator)came out of getting one and kept shaking his head and saying, I can't believe I paid $1000 for that

[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-15 Thread Ingegerd
At that time I was very devoted to MMY. I did not agree with the new course-fees and did not want to sign a new agreement form, that is why I was kicked out of the TMO in Norway. It took me some years to work through the whole process, and in that time I started to ask critical questions about

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Peter
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:21 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Any other guru would be able to clearly delineate the historical origins of a teaching. If they can't then they are suspect.

[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At that time I was very devoted to MMY. I did not agree with the new course-fees and did not want to sign a new agreement form, that is why I was kicked out of the TMO in Norway. It took me some years to work through

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:21 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Any other guru would be able to clearly

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Changed The Title

2005-08-15 Thread Robert Gimbel
Knowledge is Structured in Consciousness; Consciousness is the container of knowledge. It would not be possible for me to 'know' what I 'know' today, compared with just a few years ago, because my consciousness has grown; I've let go of some delusions and illusions, have clearer experiences

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Robert Gimbel
I don't know why anyone who American, would praise the caste system in India; I just don't get that part. As far as Maharishi, deciding or having it decided for him, that his path was not meant for Shankaracharya, thank God. As far as wanting to know more than Maharishi's name, rank and serial

[FairfieldLife] Re: American karma (Mocking the Master)

2005-08-15 Thread Robert Gimbel
It's just from personal experience: I've had the experience of trying to explain a spiritual principle of or lesson to someone; and it's as if they 'blank' out, as though they are not meant to hear, 'that one' yet. I guess, evolution, takes place in steps, and due to certain laws, of karma, I

[FairfieldLife] Re: American karma (Mocking the Master)

2005-08-15 Thread Robert Gimbel
I agree, God does perform the miracle, as he does everything else. It's just that, what is considered a miracle, is usually just an event in which Spirit, takes precedence over matter. Or the 'Timeless' takes precedence over time. It's just something that occurs spontaneously when God has a

[FairfieldLife] Re: American karma (Mocking the Master)

2005-08-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, God does perform the miracle, as he does everything else. It's just that, what is considered a miracle, is usually just an event in which Spirit, takes precedence over matter. Or the 'Timeless' takes

[FairfieldLife] Re:The last Advanced Technique:'Om'?

2005-08-15 Thread Robert Gimbel
From my understanding and experience, it's important to get initiated into TM at the beginning, because of the precise way Maharishi, has structured the teaching, and the necessity of the principle of effortlessness, which needs to be checked post initiation. After learning the technique, I

[FairfieldLife] Re: American karma (Mocking the Master)

2005-08-15 Thread Robert Gimbel
I would say, then, that there must have been enough 'purity' in the atmosphere, enough openness, enough coherent energy, that was able to manifest, in that way. I think the whole miracle thing, has to do with raising the vibration to a higher pitch, and that it is considered a miracle,

[FairfieldLife] 'Clarification of the Use of Aum..'

2005-08-15 Thread Robert Gimbel
Just wanted to clarify what I had said about adding Aum to a mantra string. I myself, still use the mantra given by Maharishi, for my regular meditation, as this is the most effective way for me to transcend. The use of these other mantras and the use of Aum, has been an interest of mine, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: American karma (Concerning Moses, Thomas...')

2005-08-15 Thread Robert Gimbel
Also, in regard to miracles being an expression of Unity: Both Moses and Thomas were in the presence of their peers, and in both instances it seems, both audiences were pre-disposed to receiving the experience of Unity, from someone they regarded as an equal. In Jesus' case, he was a Jew, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just flat out hate his guts. I don't. The crazier he gets in the last days of his life, the more I miss the person who seem genuinely

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just flat out hate his guts. I don't. The crazier

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trip to Holland

2005-08-15 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded Message From: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 05:10:05 -0400 Subject: Trip to Holland Aug. 12, 2005 Dear Friends, big snip On the 20th, Maharishi met with Purusha and

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [...] We freemasons consider it to be the worst kind of humiliation to be rejected

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trip to Holland

2005-08-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded Message From: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 05:10:05 -0400 Subject: Trip to Holland

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [...] We

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'An American Mother Loses Her Son' by Norman Lear

2005-08-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip P.S. I see now that The Sheehan Family has issued a statement distancing them from Mrs. Sheehan, because they Â…support the troops, our country, and our PresidentÂ… FWIW, the seemingly all-encompassing term the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trip to Holland

2005-08-15 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded Message From: Michael Jansen [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:21 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Any other guru would be able to clearly

[FairfieldLife] Re: American karma (Mocking the Master)

2005-08-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, God does perform the miracle, as he does everything else. It's just that, what is considered a miracle, is usually just an event in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Vaj
On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:30 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: On some level, isn't Maharishi, regardless of what our thoughts of him may be, irrelevant to the practice of TM? Maybe it depends on whether karma and lineage/tradition has meaning for you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:21 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Any other guru would be able to clearly

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Vaj
On Aug 15, 2005, at 1:02 AM, sparaig wrote: So where's the detailed history of Jesus' childhood? What about Gurudev's? M. is still alive, the others are dust. Why hasn't a student asked? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your

[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-15 Thread Ingegerd
I tell my students that I am not longer a part of the TMO and why. (because of the course-fee). I tell them about the Vedic Tradition and that MMY brought TM to the West. I think we can discuss what came first - the hen or the egg - over and over again. Who let who down. I cannot be a part of

[FairfieldLife] Re: American karma (Mocking the Master)

2005-08-15 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, God does perform the miracle, as he does everything else. It's just that, what is considered a miracle, is usually just an event

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Vaj
On Aug 15, 2005, at 1:09 AM, sparaig wrote: Why do YOU care about caste laws in India, when even the INdians can't make up their minds in this situation? I could care less. It's interesting to watch the he's THIS, no, he's THIS thing perpetuated my M.'s silence and the fear of his students

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trip to Holland

2005-08-15 Thread Ingegerd
I wonder if they really met MMY in person or did that meeting happen also through videoconference? According to the TM-Teacher that I know who spent the whole time in Vlodrop, they only met MMY through video conferance. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

Re: [FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-15 Thread Llundrub
Yes, and also you would have been kicked out anyway. - Original Message - From: Ingegerd To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi) At that time I was very devoted to MMY. I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Vaj
On Aug 15, 2005, at 2:26 AM, Peter wrote: All this crap about lineages is absurd. So you'll be leaving out the invocation of the lineage next time you initiate someone? THAT would make an interesting study...those who got the initiation WITH the lineage invocation, those who got it WITHOUT.

[FairfieldLife] Re:The last Advanced Technique:'Om'?

2005-08-15 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my understanding and experience, it's important to get initiated into TM at the beginning, because of the precise way Maharishi, has structured the teaching, and the necessity of the principle of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:The last Advanced Technique:'Om'?

2005-08-15 Thread Vaj
On Aug 15, 2005, at 8:49 AM, cardemaister wrote: a + u = o (guNa grade; e.g. 'soma') It was always my impression that om was merely an artifact of early sandhi and transliteration schemes of the early British Raj translation period. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Vaj
On Aug 15, 2005, at 6:53 AM, authfriend wrote: It's really peculiar. MMY brings out a technique that, according to him, is his revival of an oral teaching that has been lost for many centuries, and folks demand to know its detailed history right down to the present. I don't know about

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Peter
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 2:26 AM, Peter wrote: All this crap about lineages is absurd. So you'll be leaving out the invocation of the lineage next time you initiate someone? THAT would make an interesting study...those who got the initiation WITH

[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-15 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At that time I was very devoted to MMY. I did not agree with the new course-fees and did not want to sign a new agreement form, that is why I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Peter
--- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:21 AM, Bhairitu wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's really peculiar. MMY brings out a technique that, according to him, is his revival of an oral teaching that has been lost for many centuries, and folks demand to know its detailed history right down to the

[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-15 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to teach meditation? Seems to me like that might be an important thing for a meditation student to know: their teacher no longer respects

[FairfieldLife] Re: Independent TM Teachers

2005-08-15 Thread Ingegerd
Thanks for the info Ingegerd, I've mentioned the word lawyer in a letter to national over some $1600 that the movement owed me and they blacklisted me from courses for about 10 years or so. They did send the money that they owed me. The whole sordid tale is in the archives here. Do

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 6:53 AM, authfriend wrote: It's really peculiar. MMY brings out a technique that, according to him, is his revival of an oral teaching that has been lost for many centuries, and folks demand to

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 2:26 AM, Peter wrote: All this crap about lineages is absurd. So you'll be leaving out the invocation of the lineage next time you initiate

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Vaj
On Aug 15, 2005, at 9:25 AM, Peter wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 2:26 AM, Peter wrote: All this crap about lineages is absurd. So you'll be leaving out the invocation of the lineage next time you initiate someone? THAT would make an interesting

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Peter
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As you know, that lineage is of the Holy Tradition, not of the technique itself. Yes, it is a lineage of consciousness. What particular form the teaching will take is secondary to the Realization that carries the lineage. I like that...the

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 9:25 AM, Peter wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 2:26 AM, Peter wrote: All this crap about lineages is absurd. So you'll be leaving out the invocation of the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Vaj
On Aug 15, 2005, at 10:12 AM, authfriend wrote: Look at what Peter wrote again. He said explicitly he is not talking about the morphogenetic field notion when he said the crap about lineages is absurd. Why would I need to look at it again when I know from my own experience how important it

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Peter
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think it probably depends who and what we are talking about. In some cases the guru yoga and the effectiveness of the transmission rely on the lineage tree for flow of blessings and maintaining the live wire of the teaching. It is also what

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:30 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: On some level, isn't Maharishi, regardless of what our thoughts of him may be, irrelevant to the practice of TM? Maybe it depends on whether karma and lineage/tradition

[FairfieldLife] Evolution Wars

2005-08-15 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Evolution Wars Letter I wrote to the editor of TIME in response to their current cover story on the Evolution/Creationism/Intelligent Design debate: I have yet to hear in the evolution/creationism debate the consideration that for some, God is not a concept in which to believe or

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...

2005-08-15 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back in the '70s I remember MMY saying on a tape (in reference to setting up TM): I could have made it a religion...well, somewhere along the way -- somewhere in between 1975 and today -- he DID

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Llundrub
Pretty close, I reckon. At least, at once removed.Did not Guru Dev spend 30 years in solitude in a cave where he cognised the TM teaching method etcetc etc from the absolute (like Einstein and histheories); then he taught Maharishi.Uns.---The four Shankaracharya seats each have a

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 10:12 AM, authfriend wrote: Look at what Peter wrote again. He said explicitly he is not talking about the morphogenetic field notion when he said the crap about lineages is absurd. Why would I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Llundrub
The above is interesting. Someone who has been workingwith SSRS for many years told me an interesting story.He was in India and he walked by a sanyasi. Thesanyasi called out "Swami-ji" When he stopped andturned to the sanyasi, the sanyasi looked at him andsaid, "No, not a swami..you're

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Llundrub
Yes, it is a lineage of consciousness. What particularform the teaching will take is secondary to theRealization that carries the lineage. I likethat...the Realization carries the lineage, not theother way around.-You might like that, but just because I take plugs of yopo in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...

2005-08-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back in the '70s I remember MMY saying on a tape (in reference to setting up TM): I could have made it a religion...well,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Vaj
On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:05 AM, authfriend wrote: And it's just plain *ridiculous* to demand that MMY specify the transmission details of the technique itself, given his claim to have revived it after it had been lost for many centuries. In effect, especially given that it's an oral

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Vaj
On Aug 15, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Peter wrote: Someone who has been working with SSRS for many years told me an interesting story. He was in India and he walked by a sanyasi. The sanyasi called out Swami-ji When he stopped and turned to the sanyasi, the sanyasi looked at him and said, No, not

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate - Lineages

2005-08-15 Thread markmeredith2002
The common understanding of the 1000s of initiators made in the 60s and 70s was that MMY was given the knowledge of TM from Guru Dev and that the knowledge regarding mantras, selection of mantras, and instruction in TM had been preserved orally by the Holy Tradition and that is why we always do

[FairfieldLife] You cannot be serious

2005-08-15 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
Incidentally, got a call from MMY this morning, thanking me for my statement of support yesterday on the TM newsgroups inviting me for a short break in Vlodrop for a chat and a laugh. He also asked me on a more serious note whether I could bring some Pecan Maple Syrup Pastries but not to let

Re: [FairfieldLife] You cannot be serious

2005-08-15 Thread Peter
--- Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidentally, got a call from MMY this morning, thanking me for my statement of support yesterday on the TM newsgroups inviting me for a short break in Vlodrop for a chat and a laugh. He also asked me on a more serious note whether I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate - Lineages

2005-08-15 Thread Vaj
On Aug 15, 2005, at 12:11 PM, markmeredith2002 wrote: The common understanding of the 1000s of initiators made in the 60s and 70s was that MMY was given the knowledge of TM from Guru Dev and that the knowledge regarding mantras, selection of mantras, and instruction in TM had been preserved

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Peter
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Peter wrote: Someone who has been working with SSRS for many years told me an interesting story. He was in India and he walked by a sanyasi. The sanyasi called out Swami-ji When he stopped and turned to the sanyasi,

Re: [FairfieldLife] You cannot be serious

2005-08-15 Thread Rick Archer
on 8/15/05 11:16 AM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidentally, got a call from MMY this morning, thanking me for my statement of support yesterday on the TM newsgroups inviting me for a short break in Vlodrop for a chat and a laugh. He also asked me on a more serious

[FairfieldLife] The Experience of God (was Re: Evolution Wars)

2005-08-15 Thread Kenny H
What I would like to ask the people, then, who are (supposedly) experiencing God is how do you know that what you are experiencing is God (which I thought was a concept). A few years ago I had an experience, while driving in my car in the state of Connecticut, came out of nowhere (not the state

[FairfieldLife] Did anyone attend Krishna Gauci workshop in FF?

2005-08-15 Thread anonymousff
Am interested in getting a report on it. Thanks Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:05 AM, authfriend wrote: And it's just plain *ridiculous* to demand that MMY specify the transmission details of the technique itself, given his claim to have revived it after it had been lost

[FairfieldLife] Re: You cannot be serious

2005-08-15 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidentally, got a call from MMY this morning, thanking me for my statement of support yesterday on the TM newsgroups inviting me for a short break in Vlodrop for a chat and a laugh. He also asked me on a

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Experience of God (was Re: Evolution Wars)

2005-08-15 Thread Rick Archer
on 8/15/05 11:51 AM, Kenny H at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All of a sudden I became aware of the infinite, eternal, unbounded nature of creation as it flowed through me, I became part of the flow, it was very very clear, all the words I had ever heard unbounded, infinite, eternal, meant

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did anyone attend Krishna Gauci workshop in FF?

2005-08-15 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am interested in getting a report on it. Thanks I didn't attend the Krishna Gauci workshop but I did have dinner at the Hare Krishna Temple last night. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[FairfieldLife] The Experience of God (was Re: Evolution Wars)

2005-08-15 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I would like to ask the people, then, who are (supposedly) experiencing God is how do you know that what you are experiencing is God (which I thought was a concept). A few years ago I had an experience, while

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...

2005-08-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The only problem was that you could replace the word

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Vaj
On Aug 15, 2005, at 1:11 PM, authfriend wrote: I dunno, Vaj, talking to you can really be difficult. That's because when we come to your house and ask Judy to come out and play, she never wants to leave her TMO mental-concept box! Since there is nothing *for* him to share about the

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate - Lineages

2005-08-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The common understanding of the 1000s of initiators made in the 60s and 70s was that MMY was given the knowledge of TM from Guru Dev and that the knowledge regarding mantras, selection of mantras, and instruction

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...

2005-08-15 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate - Lineages

2005-08-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 12:11 PM, markmeredith2002 wrote: snip I don't care that much about lineages as I don't really understand them esoterically, but I agree that it's very odd that MMY has been so vague as to where the

[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 1:11 PM, authfriend wrote: I dunno, Vaj, talking to you can really be difficult. That's because when we come to your house and ask Judy to come out and play, she never wants to leave her TMO

[FairfieldLife] The Experience of God (was Re: Evolution Wars)

2005-08-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I would like to ask the people, then, who are (supposedly) experiencing God is how do you know that what you are experiencing is God (which I thought was a concept). A few years ago I had an experience, while

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Experience of God (was Re: Evolution Wars)

2005-08-15 Thread Llundrub
I experience something like this pretty regularly most days. I think it's ahint of God, but I wouldn't call it a clear experience of God by any means.But I'm sure others have and have had such an experience. Some who have tellme that ultimately the experience of God as an entity or field

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Experience of God (was Re: Evolution Wars)

2005-08-15 Thread Llundrub
While this was going on I never thought that I was experiencingsomething called God. Infinity/eternal-ness/unboundedness, yes, I wasexperiencing that, it was it's own experience. Yeah, what you said. When you look in the mirror do you say, "Hey, lookin good Ken!" Or do you just brush

[FairfieldLife] The Experience of God (was Re: Evolution Wars)

2005-08-15 Thread Kenny H
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While this was going on I never thought that I was experiencing something called God. Infinity/eternal-ness/unboundedness, yes, I was experiencing that, it was it's own experience. Yeah, what you said. When

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: You cannot be serious

2005-08-15 Thread Llundrub
Is this an example of British humour? Well, I "got" it as much as I "got" the Monty Python Show from the '70s, which is to say not much at all...Now we understand why you support Bush. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...

2005-08-15 Thread Peter
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/15/05 12:25 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Scientific theories are never proven, Shemp.) I thought that was the whole idea behind science: that the theory gets proven by repeatable, verificable scientific experiments.

[FairfieldLife] Re: You cannot be serious

2005-08-15 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
The doctor to the patient:- 'I can't find anything wrong with you, I can only put it down to drugs!' The patient, getting up:- 'Then I'll come back when you're less stoned.' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Experience of God (was Re: Evolution Wars)

2005-08-15 Thread Peter
--- Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip HAHAHA, not at age 57, maybe 10 years ago. Now I don't put my glasses on while looking in the mirror unless I absolutely need to see myself. Ken the above cracked me up. I'm 51 now and when I moved to Florida 12 years ago (age 39) I didn't look

[FairfieldLife] Re: You cannot be serious

2005-08-15 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this an example of British humour? Well, I got it as much as I got the Monty Python Show from the '70s, which is to say not much at all... Now we understand why you support Bush. And why, pray tell,

[FairfieldLife] Re:The last Advanced Technique:'Om'?

2005-08-15 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 8:49 AM, cardemaister wrote: a + u = o (guNa grade; e.g. 'soma') It was always my impression that om was merely an artifact of early sandhi and transliteration schemes of the early British Raj

[FairfieldLife] Re: You cannot be serious

2005-08-15 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as much as I got the Monty Python Show from the '70s, which is to say not much at all... Praise the Lawd! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Vaj
On Aug 15, 2005, at 10:51 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: Yes, very much a personal preference. I don't understand what karma has to do with it though. Maharishi's karma. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make

[FairfieldLife] Re:The last Advanced Technique:'Om'?

2005-08-15 Thread gerbal88
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hell here I come but I remember many years ago, when advanced techniques were a mere $1000 and a good friend (initiator)came out of getting one and kept shaking his head and saying, I can't believe I paid $1000 for that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Vaj
On Aug 15, 2005, at 1:32 PM, authfriend wrote: Since there is nothing *for* him to share about the transmission details of the technique--as I just pointed out in the post you're responding to and quote above (i.e., it wasn't transmitted to him in the first place)--how could the fact that

[FairfieldLife] 'Some Very Positive Images

2005-08-15 Thread Robert Gimbel
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[FairfieldLife] More Indications of Sat-Yuga~~

2005-08-15 Thread Robert Gimbel
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi

2005-08-15 Thread Bhairitu
Peter wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:21 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Any other guru would be able to clearly delineate the historical origins of a teaching. If they

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