[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Art?

2006-03-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 mrfishey2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: So are Charles Shultz comic strips art? When asked once about a useful,

[FairfieldLife] Re: The effortless technique alluded to

2006-03-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Concerning the (other than TM) effortless technique alluded to but unnamed by the contributor, this sounds like Vipassana, or mindfulness. Since you probably mean me, no, not mindfulness. That's different, and

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 5:00 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:12 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I learned TM (Deep Meditation) in 1962, by the first meditation teacher in Norway, we learned to concentrate about the Mantra. Some years after - the instruction became Don't concentrate, and the checking

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: BS. You're supposed to start by thinking something in particular (the mantra). I've practiced techniques in which no such artificiality is

[FairfieldLife] Man sells his soul on Ebay

2006-03-10 Thread TurquoiseB
There is possibly a great opportunity here for the TM True Believers in our midst. Rather than trying to convert the apostates here, they could sell them- selves on Ebay as knowers of the Truth and try to convert someone who is actually interested... :-) On eBay, Atheist Puts Own Soul on

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Man sells his soul on Ebay

2006-03-10 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Mehta was born in Chicago and raised in Jainism, an ancient Indian faith whose followers vow to harm no living thing, not even microbes in the air. Have some fun: http://e-sheep.com/jain/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: When I learned TM (Deep Meditation) in 1962, by the first meditation teacher in Norway, we learned to concentrate about the Mantra. Some

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread TurquoiseB
I genuinely want to know which techniques out there are effortless and do not require concentration. You must've missed the TM is not effortless thread here sometime ago. TM is *easy* but not truly effortless. BS. No effort is required to do TM. Some

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: When I learned TM (Deep Meditation) in 1962, by the first meditation

[FairfieldLife] PVTM = ananta-samaapatti??

2006-03-10 Thread cardemaister
What do youse think of the idea that plain vanilla TM is actually ananta-samaapatti* mentioned in YS II 47? *) becoming endless (boundless, infinite, eternal) Taimni's translation for ananta-samaapatti is 'meditation on the Endless. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread TurquoiseB
So what if your guru DOES ask you to wear a crown in public? Is it a strain to agonize about your decision to follow this? No guru. No question. Careful. t3rinity will say there is something lacking in your life. :-) You clearly get me terribly wrong, Barry. But

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread Vaj
On Mar 9, 2006, at 8:42 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 6:38 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip Wow, tat's a lot of words! Which you obviously

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what if your guru DOES ask you to wear a crown in public? Is it a strain to agonize about your decision to follow this? No guru. No question. Careful. t3rinity will say there is something

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: So what if your guru DOES ask you to wear a crown in public? Is it a strain to agonize about your decision to follow this? No

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if it is being brought back from the transcendent, it *is* being patched. Oh well, subtle effort. Hmmmprayatna-shaithilya. YS II 47! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: So what if your guru DOES ask you to wear a crown in public? Is it a

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: So what

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you please tell me what the word bhakti means? - it would be nice to know what I am attacking? Definitions of bhakti on the Web: Worship, adoration, devotion, ecstatic love. (devotion/love): the love of the

[FairfieldLife] PVTM = ananta-samaapatti??

2006-03-10 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Cardmeister writes: What do youse think of the idea that plain vanilla TM is actually ananta-samaapatti* mentioned in YS II 47? *) becoming endless (boundless, infinite, eternal) Taimni's translation for ananta-samaapatti is 'meditation on the Endless. Tom T: From Alistair Shearer YS II 46. The

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: ---

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread Vaj
On Mar 10, 2006, at 3:56 AM, Ingegerd wrote: When I learned TM (Deep Meditation) in 1962, by the first meditation teacher in Norway, we learned to concentrate about the Mantra. Some years after - the instruction became Don't concentrate, and the checking points came out. Ingegerd That's

[FairfieldLife] For t3rinity

2006-03-10 Thread TurquoiseB
All this back-and-forth seems silly. I think you're just being overly sensitive about your chosen path and overreacting when people say things you feel criticize or challenge it. You probably disagree. It's Ok to have different paths, *and* to disagree. Let's allow the whole thing to drop, eh? I

[FairfieldLife] Re: PVTM = ananta-samaapatti??

2006-03-10 Thread Patrick Gillam
Tom T: From Alistair Shearer YS II 46. The physical postures should be steady and comfortable. YS II 47. They are mastered when all effort is relaxed and the mind is absorbed in the infinite. This reminds me of the way my carriage changes when I ask, Who am I? My posture improves and my

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 10, 2006, at 3:56 AM, Ingegerd wrote: When I learned TM (Deep Meditation) in 1962, by the first meditation teacher in Norway, we learned to concentrate about the Mantra. Some years after - the instruction

[FairfieldLife] Re: PVTM = ananta-samaapatti??

2006-03-10 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YS II 47. They are mastered when all effort is relaxed and the mind is absorbed in the infinite. Tom Using those words, the original suutra word-for-word would be something like: on

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 10, 2006, at 3:56 AM, Ingegerd wrote: When I learned TM (Deep Meditation) in 1962, by the first meditation teacher in Norway, we learned to

[FairfieldLife] Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and his cave

2006-03-10 Thread Michael Dean Goodman
THE STRUGGLE OF INDIVIDUALITY TO PERPETUATE ITS ILLUSION I feel compassionately sad whenever I meet those who still cling to the idea that their individuality (individual intellect) can guide them to the goal of realization, of remembering, of waking up again to Reality. They're sure that they

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: When I learned TM (Deep Meditation) in 1962, by the first meditation teacher in Norway, we learned to concentrate about the Mantra. Some

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: BS. You're supposed to start by thinking something in particular (the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 5:00 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:12 PM,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: When I learned TM (Deep Meditation) in 1962, by the first

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: When I learned TM (Deep Meditation) in 1962, by the first

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and his cave

2006-03-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE STRUGGLE OF INDIVIDUALITY TO PERPETUATE ITS ILLUSION snipt out of compassion for bandwidth Scorecard: - Number of lines: 593 - Number of words: 5,337 - Number of pages: 14 - Flesch Reading Ease

[FairfieldLife] Re: PVTM = ananta-samaapatti??

2006-03-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cardmeister writes: What do youse think of the idea that plain vanilla TM is actually ananta-samaapatti* mentioned in YS II 47? *) becoming endless (boundless, infinite, eternal) Taimni's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 10, 2006, at 3:56 AM, Ingegerd wrote: When I learned TM (Deep Meditation) in 1962, by the first meditation teacher in Norway, we learned to concentrate about the Mantra. Some years after - the instruction

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 10, 2006, at 3:56 AM, Ingegerd wrote: When I learned TM (Deep Meditation) in 1962, by the first meditation teacher in Norway, we learned

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 10, 2006, at 3:56 AM, Ingegerd wrote: When I learned TM (Deep

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I genuinely want to know which techniques out there are effortless and do not require concentration. You must've missed the TM is not effortless thread here sometime ago. TM is *easy*

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what if your guru DOES ask you to wear a crown in public? Is it a strain to agonize about your decision to follow this? No guru. No question. Careful. t3rinity will say there is something

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: When I learned TM (Deep Meditation) in 1962, by the first

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: [...] When I learned TM (Deep Meditation) in 1962, by the first meditation teacher in Norway, we learned to concentrate about the Mantra. Some

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 8:42 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 6:38 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Just look at what you wrote above. Based on the fact that I don't follow a bhakti path and am willing to look at both the up-sides and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: But the idea of starting with concentration or focus and then moving to a more effortless focus *in the same meditation period* is hardly unique. Many

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: So

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: So what if your guru DOES ask you to wear a crown in public? Is it a strain to agonize about your decision to follow this?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE STRUGGLE OF INDIVIDUALITY TO PERPETUATE ITS ILLUSION BIG SNIP 1. THE PERSONAL-CONTACT RULE FOR TRUE BHAKTI Someone commented that I couldn't claim devotion to Maharishi if I haven't seen him (his

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: [...] When I learned TM (Deep Meditation) in 1962, by the first meditation

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: But the idea of starting with concentration or focus and then moving to a more

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: But the idea of starting with concentration or focus and then moving to a more

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bhakti is that thing that t3rinity thinks that Michael Dean Goodman practices, and that he blasted Irmeli for attacking when she criticized MDG's logic. The fact that, AFAIK, neither MDG or Irmeli ever used the word

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread TurquoiseB
I'm outa this, having written a let's let it drop note to t3rinity, and having meant it. On the other hand, I just can't wait to see how you rip MDG a new one for his latest novel...uh...I mean post...if *it* gets your dander up. :-) :-) :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/10/06 10:15 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS -- I always admired john black who got exiled from int'l and banned from courses for a little mistake. He left as told but continued to successfully teach tm for decades at a local center. He showed great devotion to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread Vaj
On Mar 10, 2006, at 10:58 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 8:42 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 6:38 PM, authfriend wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Maharishi: Where we want to take our people.

2006-03-10 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Maharishi: Where we want to take our people. All from December 1, 2005: Maharishi: How do you smash poverty? You take poverty to the extreme level, where there is absolutely nothing. And you have smashed poverty. And when there is absolutely nothing, you find absolutely everything.

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm outa this, having written a let's let it drop note to t3rinity, and having meant it. On the other hand, I just can't wait to see how you rip MDG a new one for his latest novel...uh...I mean post...if *it* gets

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: Where we want to take our people.

2006-03-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That you desire and the thing is there. You wish -- the thing is there. Remember the discussions recently about why Maharishi so seldom follows through on his grand schemes? I think the answer to that question is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 10, 2006, at 10:58 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 8:42 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj

[FairfieldLife] enlightenment center

2006-03-10 Thread markmeredith2002
Well it's been about a year since the tm teacher recertification course, which wasn't about tm teaching at all but about opening maharishi enlightenment centers in malls around the country. It looks like bob wynne, one the key sources of the plan, is opening up the 1st one this weekend in iowa

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and his cave

2006-03-10 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Mar 10, 2006, at 9:27 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Scorecard: - Number of lines:  593 - Number of words:  5,337 - Number of pages:  14 - Flesch Reading Ease score:  70 (out of 100) - Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level score:  4.9 (almost fifth grade) - Outrage quotient:  100 (out of 100) - Hot air

Re: [FairfieldLife] Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and his cave

2006-03-10 Thread Sal Sunshine
Michael, just out of curiosity, will there be a test on this later on or can we just skim it? Sal On Mar 10, 2006, at 8:35 AM, Michael Dean Goodman wrote: THE STRUGGLE OF INDIVIDUALITY TO PERPETUATE ITS ILLUSION I feel compassionately sad whenever I meet those who still cling to the idea

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: Where we want to take our people.

2006-03-10 Thread Sal Sunshine
Yadda, yadda, yadda. Sal On Mar 10, 2006, at 12:20 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: Not that this is a bad thing [token Seinfeldism], if you really have the ability to manifest your desires by just thinking them. But if you don't...

Re: [FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread Sal Sunshine
How shocking. I mean Michael's posts are so concise, the point of each so blazingly clear within the first line or two, stated in such a manner as to be unmistakable, that it is almost impossible for me to believe anyone could miss one. I agree with you, Judy, (shaking heard) I honestly don't

Re: [FairfieldLife] Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and his cave

2006-03-10 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Mar 10, 2006, at 8:35 AM, Michael Dean Goodman wrote: He reminded the disciple that young Guru Dev was living in one of those caves, and because of his familiarity with the area, he should be consulted about the cave selection. Too bad he's not still alive--he could help find Osama.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and his cave

2006-03-10 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Mar 10, 2006, at 8:35 AM, Michael Dean Goodman wrote: The thing is, I've come to realize that none of these discussions about Maharishi's individual personality and behaviors, taken on the relative level, are important to me.  Yes, it's obvious by the length and recently, frequency of your

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
I liked this post a lot. It is an honest account of Goodman's personal path and of his own insights and discriminations. I find Goodman's relationship to MMY have similar qualities than the TM-teacher I meet every now and then at lunch. That teacher has done the re-certification course. All the

Re: [FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Mar 10, 2006, at 11:02 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote: I just thought it might be too lengthy for me to bother to read it. Let's see now. At least earlier he has not had the same appalling problems of in communication as t3rinty has. The whole thing is basically MDG telling everyone here that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: Where we want to take our people.

2006-03-10 Thread anonyff
Has anyone ever told Maharishi ever that of the thousands who moved and left FF, many many many people become more impoverished than ever and, it seems, for many, the longer they stayed on this *wonderful program to smash poverty* the more poverty stricken they became? It's still both

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread anonyff
Personally I think that MDG is a moodmaker who feels compelled to tell us all how great he is (repeatedly and ad nauseum) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I liked this post a lot. It is an honest account of Goodman's personal path and of his own

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Bhakti is that thing that t3rinity thinks that Michael Dean Goodman practices, and that he blasted Irmeli for attacking when she criticized

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bhakti is that thing that t3rinity thinks that Michael Dean Goodman practices, I don't know how often I should tell it to you: I am not talking about Bhakti practise, but about the Bhakti sentiment, which IMO plays a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread Vaj
On Mar 10, 2006, at 1:42 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 10, 2006, at 10:58 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 8:42 PM, authfriend wrote:

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Just look at what you wrote above. Based on the fact that I don't follow a

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How shocking. I mean Michael's posts are so concise, the point of each so blazingly clear within the first line or two, stated in such a manner as to be unmistakable, that it is almost impossible for me to believe

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: Where we want to take our people.

2006-03-10 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone ever told Maharishi ever that of the thousands who moved and left FF, many many many people become more impoverished than ever and, it seems, for many, the longer they stayed on this *wonderful program to smash

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: THE STRUGGLE OF INDIVIDUALITY TO PERPETUATE ITS ILLUSION snipt out of compassion for bandwidth Scorecard: - Number of lines: 593 -

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this kind of situation he can get a lot of consolation from cherishing sentiments of bhakti towards a distant guru, with whom he cannot be in personal relationship. And that is fine, if it helps him. Oh, I had

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 10, 2006, at 1:42 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 10, 2006, at 10:58 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: In this kind of situation he can get a lot of consolation from cherishing sentiments of bhakti towards a distant guru, with whom he

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: Where we want to take our people.

2006-03-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: That you desire and the thing is there. You wish -- the thing is there. Remember the discussions recently about why Maharishi so seldom

[FairfieldLife] Re: enlightenment center

2006-03-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well it's been about a year since the tm teacher recertification course, which wasn't about tm teaching at all but about opening maharishi enlightenment centers in malls around the country. It looks like bob

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How shocking. I mean Michael's posts are so concise, the point of each so blazingly clear within the first line or two, stated in such a manner as to be unmistakable, that it is almost impossible for me to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and his cave

2006-03-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 10, 2006, at 9:27 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Scorecard: - Number of lines:  593 - Number of words:  5,337 - Number of pages:  14 - Flesch Reading Ease score:  70 (out of 100) - Flesch-Kincaid Grade

Re: [FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread Sal Sunshine
So many mood-makers, so little time. :) Sal On Mar 10, 2006, at 4:55 PM, authfriend wrote: I wonder if Irmeli isn't getting you confused with Michael Dean Goodman...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread sparaig
Hey TurquoisB (TB for short), how about doing a similar analysis of Irmeli's comments on Michael's essay? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I liked this post a lot. It is an honest account of Goodman's personal path and of his own insights and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: Where we want to take our people.

2006-03-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone ever told Maharishi ever that of the thousands who moved and left FF, many many many people become more impoverished than ever and, it seems, for many, the longer they stayed on this *wonderful program to smash

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: THE STRUGGLE OF INDIVIDUALITY TO PERPETUATE ITS ILLUSION snipt

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: In this kind of situation he can get a lot of consolation from

[FairfieldLife] Re: For t3rinity

2006-03-10 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this back-and-forth seems silly. I think you're just being overly sensitive about your chosen path and overreacting when people say things you feel criticize or challenge it. You probably disagree. It's Ok to have

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: THE

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If so, I must share my award with Microsoft Word. I thought you had used wc http://www.computerhope.com/unix/uwc.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-10 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In

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