Share Long:
...I had heard about the thoroughness of Wilbur's
system but this is the first time I've read about
it...
Don't be intimidated, Share. You already know more
than you realize, just by your practice of TM,
without even considering the hard problem.
From what I've read, Ken
?
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Share Long:
Judy why do you think it's
Share Long:
Judy why do you think it's not useful to try
to make any connections or draw parallels
between the hard problem approach to
consciousness and any Eastern system?
Share: If you find Judy's discussion lacking,
Ken Wilber has provided a synthesis of virtually
all psychological
.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote:
Share Long:
Judy why do you think it's not useful to try
to make any connections or draw parallels
between the hard problem approach to
consciousness and any Eastern system?
Share: If you find Judy's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:
Thank you Richard for Ken Wilbur reference. (Thanks for asking,
Judy. Crappily, even with reminder in strategic spot on desk.
Those particular neural pathways in my skull must be very
strong.) Anyway, my question comes
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
For someone like Guilio Tononi and his Integrated
, 2013 9:22 PM
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
For someone like Guilio Tononi and his Integrated Information
Theory, ALL possible states that a conscious entity can
For someone like Guilio Tononi and his Integrated Information Theory, ALL
possible states that a conscious entity can be in are qualia, contentless or
not.
So you first have to decide what a qualia is at some deeper physiological level
before you can answer the question.
Currently, qualia
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
For someone like Guilio Tononi and his Integrated Information
Theory, ALL possible states that a conscious entity can be in
are qualia, contentless or not.
OK. The term is used in different ways, but this one is
pretty
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote:
Quotes without proper attribution are attempts to avoid scrutiny.
Unable to sustain examination?
http://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_upanishhat/doc_upanishhat.html
http://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_upanishhat/maandu.itx
Nope. Let's see chapter and verse - chapter and verse.
Why should we have to search the entire Upanishad corpus
to check your translation - unless you want to obfuscate?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
[...]
Though I think ancient rishis experienced it and wrote
about it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
[...]
Though I think ancient rishis experienced it and wrote
about it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:
My guess, based on my understanding of and little bit of
experience of CC and GC is that the experiencing of qualia
increases during development from CC and GC. Otherwise
one would be stuck in CC forever, right?
This
: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Voice in the Argument about Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:
My guess, based on my understanding of and little bit of
experience of CC and GC is that the experiencing of qualia
increases during development from CC
: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 9:47 AM
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
My guess, based on my understanding of and little bit of
experience of CC and GC is that the experiencing
Quotes without proper attribution are attempts to avoid scrutiny.
Unable to sustain examination?
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card wrote:
Nope? According to maaNDukya,
Sorry, that's how it was written in the Sanskrit Documents -site.
Somehow that didn't sound right, so checked
in this context are unable
to avoid.
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of the term consciousness.
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. You can't get there
from here.
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What the hard problem is *about* is something very
simple, very immediate, very transparent--that there is
*something it is like* to be you, to be me, to be Dennett.
You may have to sit with that phrase for awhile before it
makes sense; but once it does, a whole lotta crap just
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote:
What the hard problem is *about* is something very
simple, very immediate, very transparent--that there is
*something it is like* to be you, to be me, to be Dennett.
You may have to sit with that
material and non material like
emptybill's Spanda. Let's build the instruments to measure that!
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Spanda:
The Spanda system, introduced by Vasugupta (c. 800 AD), is
usually described as 'vibration/movement of consciousness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir_Shaivism
yasyonmeSa-nimeSaabhyaaM jagataH pralayodayau
taM shakti-cakra-vibhava-prabhavaM shankaraM stumaH!
--
What the hard problem is *about* is something very
simple, very immediate, very transparent--that there is
*something it is like* to be you, to be me, to be Dennett.
You may have to sit with that phrase for awhile before it
makes sense; but once it does, a whole lotta
Share Long:
...everything is about vibration but do we understand
everything about the deepest nature of vibration and
its functioning?
Apparently the really hard question is the definition
of consciousness, so that makes discussion of altered
states of consciousness even more difficult.
. Williams richard@...
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What the hard problem is *about* is something very
simple, very immediate, very transparent
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote:
What the hard problem is *about* is something very
simple, very immediate, very transparent--that there is
*something it is like* to be
Right and someone like the sophisticated me comes along and offers
tremendous insights into other me's - especially the Xeno me, the
Grandpa Xeno me
What does the me of Grandpa Xeno show - the me of the Xeno shows a
pretty effed up me that fantasizes on enlightenment and Unity, that has
wrapped
, June 4, 2013 4:11 PM
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Share Long:
...everything is about vibration but do we understand
everything about the deepest nature of vibration and
its functioning?
Apparently the really hard question
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote:
What the hard problem is *about* is something very
simple, very immediate, very transparent--that there is
*something it is like* to be you, to be me, to be Dennett.
You may have to sit with that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
[...]
Though I think ancient rishis experienced it and wrote
about it.
Experienced what and wrote about what? Everybody with a
functioning mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@
wrote:
What the hard problem is *about* is something very
simple, very immediate, very transparent--that there is
*something it is like* to be
kRtaarthaM prati naSTam apy anaSTaM tad-anya-saadhaaraNatvaat! II 22
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
Oh no Grandpa Xeno - this is so retarded, that rich inner life
disappears
in Unity.
This really nails it - you are one of the most dangerous, delusional
So? Are you taking it literally card baby?
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:52 PM, card cardemais...@yahoo.com wrote:
**
kRtaarthaM prati *naSTam* apy *anaSTaM *tad-anya-saadhaaraNatvaat!
II 22
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
Oh no Grandpa Xeno - this is so
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@
wrote:
(snip)
Now if we suppose this is what happens, and the 'rich inner
life' of experience goes by the wayside, what does this mean
in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@ wrote:
(snip)
Now if we suppose this is what happens, and the 'rich inner
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@ wrote:
(snip)
Now if we suppose this is what happens, and the 'rich inner
life' of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@ wrote:
(snip)
Now if we suppose this is what happens, and the 'rich
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
This reminds me of the classic scenes from Dark Star.
In the first, Sgt. Doolittle tries to talk the AI bomb
out of exploding while still attached to the ship:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29pPZQ77cmI
In the second,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
I've had no formal training in philosophy...
Philosophy's loss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
I've had no formal training in philosophy...
Philosophy's loss.
Well, I dunno about that, but thanks.
*blush*
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend
authfriend@... wrote:
Did you read David Albert's review of Krauss's Universe
from Nothing in the NY Times? It's a thing of beauty:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/books/review/a-universe-
from-nothing-by-lawrence-m-krauss.html
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend
authfriend@... wrote:
Question for you: In the paragraph from Philosophy Always
Buries Its Undertakers that begins We are also told that
physics mishandles time, what does the locution abstracts
from mean? And in the post Why Do We Need
CHALMERS:
'It is undeniable that some organisms are subjects
of experience. But the question of how it is that
these systems are subjects of experience is perplexing.
Why is it that when our cognitive systems engage in
visual and auditory information-processing, we have
visual or
Oh no Grandpa Xeno - this is so retarded, that rich inner life disappears
in Unity.
This really nails it - you are one of the most dangerous, delusional
posters on FFL. Right now even Curtis's dishonesty and Barry's stunted-
ness is looking real beautiful, honest and authentic to me now.
No you
No Xeno - no alcohol, sex - no woman, not 72 virgins, no drug, no LSD can
create the beauty and richness of inner life that Unity creates - you and
Adyashanti are in a pseudo-Buddhist, delusional, no-self fantasy.
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.comwrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
(snip)
Now if we suppose this is what happens, and the 'rich inner
life' of experience goes by the wayside, what does this mean
in terms of the hard problem?
Nothing, because it doesn't go by the wayside--it
Thank you, this is good dear Judy.
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:56 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
**
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
(snip)
Now if we suppose this is what happens, and the 'rich inner
life' of experience
Thank you! This is very clear. I've had no formal training
in philosophy, so when I encounter technical terms, I tend
to assume they have a much more complicated meaning than
I'd be able to grasp. But in my experience it often turns
out that the ordinary meaning is at least approximately
close
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote:
No Xeno - no alcohol, sex - no woman, not 72 virgins, no drug, no LSD can
create the beauty and richness of inner life that Unity creates - you and
Adyashanti are in a pseudo-Buddhist, delusional, no-self fantasy.
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:
**
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@...
wrote:
No Xeno - no alcohol, sex - no woman, not 72 virgins, no drug, no LSD can
create the beauty and richness of inner life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sjn99YTh4U
Oh, yes - one of the classics.
One of my favorite songs of the period. I cracked up
when I read MP's post
Most Advaita, as presented, is contaminated by the suppositions of yoga.
This has been true since a 15th century Shankaracharya fused/confused
the practices.
The best intro to authentic advaita understanding/realization is here:
reliable reality. But as I sit
here writing this, I am this subjectivity: awareness exists.
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Voice in the Argument about Consciousness
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sjn99YTh4U
Oh, yes - one of the classics.
One of my favorite
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
John Searle at CERN (TEDxTalks)
http://youtu.be/j_OPQgPIdKg
[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=j_OPQgPIdKg ]
Searle, Dennet Zombies:
http://goo.gl/K6NsO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@
wrote:
John Searle at CERN (TEDxTalks)
http://youtu.be/j_OPQgPIdKg
[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=j_OPQgPIdKg ]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sjn99YTh4U
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@ wrote:
John Searle at CERN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sjn99YTh4U
Oh, yes - one of the classics.
This zombie issue is an interesting one, eh? Xeno posted an
objection from Dennett, but I couldn't really follow his
thinking. It felt a bit like
what would recommend as a good list of books re Advaita? I did find this list
Thanks
http://www.amazon.com/Top-20-books-on-Advaita/lm/RYMWQB12Z8DTI
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote:
Xeno,
I was expecting to be blown away by discovered complexity I knew
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote:
Xeno,
I was expecting to be blown away by discovered complexity I knew not of,
but strangely, the talk was lite, and I, well, sue me, but I kinda felt
smugly sorry for Searle. As wonderful as his sermon was, it seemed
Xeno,
I was expecting to be blown away by discovered complexity I knew not of, but
strangely, the talk was lite, and I, well, sue me, but I kinda felt smugly
sorry for Searle. As wonderful as his sermon was, it seemed strangely hollow
-- not shallow -- but hollow. It seemed absent the
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