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LOL, project much?
BTW, I thought you were leaving? In any event, I'm glad to return the
favor. You've joined Judy in my own spam bin!
On Jan 14, 2007, at 10:18 PM, llundrub wrote:
I never though I'd say this but you cynicism Vaj has earned you a
spot in the spam bin for a year. Maybe
Right. This is why I keep emphasizing that an experience of CC
does
not involve a sense of geographic location as being behind, over,
or
in front of the body. Witnessing does not give a sense of
location of
the Self as in the body or out of the body. On the other hand,
mental
On Jan 14, 2007, at 2:32 AM, sparaig wrote:
I question this conclusion,. however. If you can think, you can
meditate.
Shouldn't that've read:
If you can think, you *practice meditation* if you can *not think*,
you can meditate?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 14, 2007, at 2:32 AM, sparaig wrote:
I question this conclusion,. however. If you can think,
you can meditate.
Shouldn't that've read:
If you can think, you *practice meditation* if you can
*not
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 14, 2007, at 2:32 AM, sparaig wrote:
I question this conclusion,. however. If you can think, you can
meditate.
Shouldn't that've read:
If you can think, you *practice meditation* if you can *not think*,
Historically speaking, the christological position you are proposing - that
Jesus didn't suffer - is, after all, X'n heresy (in fact in the interview you
have quoted the Abbot of Downside points this out to Maharishi). As for what
happened to Jesus' after he died, there's a huge debate in the
On Jan 14, 2007, at 1:50 PM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 14, 2007, at 2:32 AM, sparaig wrote:
I question this conclusion,. however. If you can think, you can
meditate.
Shouldn't that've read:
If you can think, you *practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 14, 2007, at 1:50 PM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Jan 14, 2007, at 2:32 AM, sparaig wrote:
I question this conclusion,. however. If you can think, you can
On Jan 14, 2007, at 5:56 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
It all depends on your definition for what meditation
is. If you define it as encompassing all the stages
of sitting and thinking, leading up to and including
samadhi, then TM is meditation.
Even if they never transcend?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 14, 2007, at 5:56 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
It all depends on your definition for what meditation
is. If you define it as encompassing all the stages
of sitting and thinking, leading up to and including
samadhi,
On Jan 14, 2007, at 6:10 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 14, 2007, at 5:56 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
It all depends on your definition for what meditation
is. If you define it as encompassing all the stages
of sitting and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 14, 2007, at 1:50 PM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Jan 14, 2007, at 2:32 AM, sparaig wrote:
I question this conclusion,. however. If you can think, you can
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Jan 14, 2007, at 1:50 PM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Jan 14, 2007, at 2:32 AM, sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 14, 2007, at 5:56 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
It all depends on your definition for what meditation
is. If you define it as encompassing all the stages
of sitting and thinking, leading up to and including
samadhi,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Jan 14, 2007, at 5:56 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
It all depends on your definition for what meditation
is. If you define it as encompassing all the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 14, 2007, at 6:10 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Jan 14, 2007, at 5:56 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
It all depends on your definition for what meditation
is.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
To propose that consistent *failure* to
transcend is success is TB and brainwashed nonsense.
Only if you have already convinced yourself that
MMY's entire theory of the nature and mechanics
of consciousness, from which he
On Jan 14, 2007, at 8:10 PM, sparaig wrote:
Er, no. People go for years and decades (or their entire lives)
without transcending, and yet
they show much the same physiological changes in their brain.
Er, yes. Of course you notice the same changes--they're still
cogitating a mantra! But they
On Jan 14, 2007, at 8:10 PM, sparaig wrote:
Er, no. People go for years and decades (or their entire lives)
without transcending, and yet
they show much the same physiological changes in their brain.
Er, yes. Of course you notice the same changes--they're still
cogitating a mantra! But they
On Jan 14, 2007, at 8:19 PM, sparaig wrote:
Of course, given that TM is advertised as working for everyone,
perhaps you're projectintg
your own definition of works onto what TM actually does.
Or you projecting your constant attachment to the effortless dogma?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 14, 2007, at 8:10 PM, sparaig wrote:
Er, no. People go for years and decades (or their entire lives)
without transcending, and yet
they show much the same physiological changes in their brain.
Er, yes. Of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 14, 2007, at 8:19 PM, sparaig wrote:
Of course, given that TM is advertised as working for everyone,
perhaps you're projectintg
your own definition of works onto what TM actually does.
Or you projecting your
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 14, 2007, at 8:10 PM, sparaig wrote:
Er, no. People go for years and decades (or their entire lives)
without transcending, and yet
they show much the same physiological changes in their brain.
Er, yes. Of
: Vaj
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cosmic Consciousness or Personality Disorder
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On Jan 12, 2007, at 12:18 AM, suziezuzie wrote:
When someone starts meditating, is the flatness (separation of
Self
from sense perception) that they begin to feel is a prelude to
Cosmic
Consciousness or the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
So, if enlightenment were all that easy to acheive,
wouldn't we all be enlightened?
Some people's sense of self is so strong that
they are tempted to take themselves seriously.
Once you've started down that path,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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When someone starts meditating, is the flatness (separation of Self
from
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off_world_beings wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yup, agni mantras can be quite heating. Some people can take them and
some can't. Not a very good idea to use them in techniques for the
masses.
Why not?
No matter what you do, when
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msilver1951@
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz
peterklutz@
wrote:
The term 'outside' as in 'outside the body' is used from a
physical-
limited understanding, that things are understood to be outside
the
body because this is how we experience the world, subject-object
relationships. So for lack of a better word or description, since
the
Self is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The term 'outside' as in 'outside the body' is used from a
physical-
limited understanding, that things are understood to be outside
the
body because this is how we experience the world, subject-
object
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ultimately, when Cosmic
Consciousness is gained, and one is a
witness to creation all the time and permanently, even the death of the
body, ordinarily an overwhelming experience, has no meaning.
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It doesn't matter why we witness, because one is no longer
overwhelmed by physical phenomena or sense perception. You're
hung
up on the words, 'outside' and 'distance'. From the perspective
of
the unlocalised Self, there is no outside or distance. It
witnesses
Itself as not
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However, the disfunctional kind of witnessing found in the DSM-IV
often speaks of having
a viewpoint as though outside and above and/or behind the body with a
definite sense of
geographic location.
***
What
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chadwick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ultimately, when Cosmic Consciousness is gained, and one is a
witness to creation all the time and permanently, even the death of
the
body, ordinarily an overwhelming experience, has no meaning.
This is
The term 'outside' as in 'outside the body' is used from a
physical-
limited understanding, that things are understood to be outside
the
body because this is how we experience the world, subject-object
relationships. So for lack of a better word or description, since
the
Self is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The term 'outside' as in 'outside the body' is used from a
physical-
limited understanding, that things are understood to be outside
the
body because this is how we experience the world, subject-object
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
When someone starts meditating, is the flatness (separation of Self
from sense perception) that they begin to feel is a prelude to
Cosmic
Consciousness or the beginnings of personality pathology that has
nothing to
Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've spoken in detail to two psychiatrist friends who state in no
uncertain terms that TM has a high incidence of side effects,
which
includes psychosis, exacerbation of personality disorders,
dissociative disorders and a host of other issues. One is
You discount scientific research on TM, yet you expect us to take seriously the
opinions of your two psychiatric friends, who hardly sound like unbiased
observers! I have been around TM people all my adult life, and your
comments do not square either with what I have experienced for myself
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@
wrote:
When someone starts meditating, is the flatness (separation of Self
from sense perception) that they begin to feel is a prelude to
Cosmic
On Jan 12, 2007, at 12:18 AM, suziezuzie wrote:
When someone starts meditating, is the flatness (separation of Self
from sense perception) that they begin to feel is a prelude to Cosmic
Consciousness or the beginnings of personality pathology that has
nothing to do with enlightenment?
I've no doubt that there are plenty of TM teachers who self-medicate by
meditating too
much. However, that doesn't even suggest that TM is the cause of their
problems. And,
just as Bob Brigante does, I'm sure that many indulge in projection that
something good
is happening when they have a
Hi Fester:
On Jan 12, 2007, at 10:38 AM, feste37 wrote:
You discount scientific research on TM, yet you expect us to take
seriously the
opinions of your two psychiatric friends, who hardly sound like
unbiased
observers!
No, I did not ask you to do any such thing. If YOU know a
On Jan 12, 2007, at 10:42 AM, sparaig wrote:
I've no doubt that there are plenty of TM teachers who self-
medicate by meditating too
much. However, that doesn't even suggest that TM is the cause of
their problems. And,
just as Bob Brigante does, I'm sure that many indulge in projection
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
I've spoken in detail to two psychiatrist friends who state in
no
uncertain terms that TM has a high incidence of side effects,
which
includes psychosis, exacerbation of personality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Fester:
On Jan 12, 2007, at 10:38 AM, feste37 wrote:
You discount scientific research on TM, yet you expect us to
take seriously the opinions of your two psychiatric friends,
who hardly sound like unbiased
I would take your views more seriously if you were willing to acknowledge that
TM has a beneficial, even life-transforming effect on many people. But you
come across simply as a TM-hater, just a reverse image of the TBs you
despise. For what I mean, see Meredith's post, earlier today, which
On Jan 12, 2007, at 10:53 AM, authfriend wrote:
It shouldn't even need to be remarked that
psychiatrists who have worked with TM people
have been exposed only, or primarily, to TM
people *with pathology* of some sort. Unless
these psychiatrists are able to be heroically
objective, they're
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Jan 12, 2007, at 10:53 AM, authfriend wrote:
It shouldn't even need to be remarked that
psychiatrists who have worked with TM people
have been exposed only, or primarily, to TM
people *with pathology* of
On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:35 AM, authfriend wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Jan 12, 2007, at 10:53 AM, authfriend wrote:
It shouldn't even need to be remarked that
psychiatrists who have worked with TM people
have been exposed only, or
On Jan 12, 2007, at 12:18 AM, suziezuzie wrote:
When someone starts meditating, is the flatness (separation of Self
from sense perception) that they begin to feel is a prelude to Cosmic
Consciousness or the beginnings of personality pathology that has
nothing to do with enlightenment?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@
wrote:
When someone starts meditating, is the flatness (separation of
Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've spoken in detail to two psychiatrist friends who state in no
uncertain terms that TM has a high incidence of side effects
Side effects.
THEN, the real fun begins, because when you reach
enlightenment you have to fight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yup, agni mantras can be quite heating. Some people can take them and
some can't. Not a very good idea to use them in techniques for the
masses.
Why not?
No matter what you do, when you get enlightened you will have to
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@
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When someone starts meditating, is the flatness (separation of Self
from sense perception) that they begin to feel is a prelude to Cosmic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@
wrote:
When someone starts meditating, is the flatness (separation of
Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
When someone starts meditating, is the flatness (separation of Self
from sense perception) that they begin to feel is a prelude to
Cosmic
Consciousness or the beginnings of personality pathology that has
nothing to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When someone starts meditating, is the flatness (separation of Self
from sense perception) that they begin to feel is a prelude to Cosmic
Consciousness or the beginnings of personality pathology that has
nothing to
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