--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
In peace we could arrange a meeting between the chief deniers on both sides?
You know, meditation conflict resolution. Rick Archer manifestly is good at
moderating. He knows the territory. In the name of a lasting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote:
categorically deny that these states of consciousness are possible for anyone
doing TM.You could even opine that TM practitioners can't go
beyond asmita because they indulge in laya during meditation.
Almost couldn't
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote:
It's true that according to the last suutra of aSTaadhyaayii
(a a [sic!])
Just for fun, the ten last ones of those some 4000[!] suutras
of PaaNini:
8\.4\.59 vA padAntasya .
8\.4\.60 torli .
8\.4\.61 udaH sthAstambhoH
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote:
It's true that according to the last suutra of aSTaadhyaayii
(a a [sic!])
Just for fun, the ten last ones of those some 4000[!] suutras
of PaaNini:
8\.4\.59 vA padAntasya .
8\.4\.60 torli .
8\.4\.61 udaH sthAstambhoH
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
categorically deny that these states of consciousness are possible for anyone
doing TM.You could even opine that TM practitioners can't go
beyond
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
categorically deny that these states of consciousness are possible for
anyone doing TM.You could even opine that TM practitioners can't
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
categorically deny that these states of consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
It's funny, each given their own experience, could
ultra-Buddhists and ultra-TM'ers get together to
issue a joint-statement that meditation is good and
that meditation not only ought to be practiced but
that it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
On May 3, 2011, at 7:23 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
It seems that both camps actively work at denying each
the other's experience. Like a spiritual warfare is
going on over the hearts and minds of the meditation market.
What an incredible crock of horseshit.
I can honestly state that I have
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
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Vaj:
What I'm saying is that while there exists
extraordinary evidence of extraordinary states
of consciousness in the scientific record (of
various yogis, etc.), currently no such
extraordinary record exists for any TMers...
Can you cite a double-blind, peer-reviewed,
scientific
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
It's funny, each given their own experience, could
ultra-Buddhists and ultra-TM'ers get together to
issue a joint-statement that meditation is
So dude, let me get this right:
In your non-spiritual life, you work for a company that produces tools for
organizations to sell their products and services.
But in your spiritual life, such things are verbotten.
In your non-spiritual life, you pay your bills and earn your livelihood by
Vaj:
What I'm saying is that while there exists
extraordinary evidence of extraordinary states
of consciousness in the scientific record (of
various yogis, etc.), currently no such
extraordinary record exists for any TMers...
Can you cite a double-blind, peer-reviewed,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@
wrote:
--- In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
It's funny, each given their own experience, could
ultra-Buddhists and ultra-TM'ers get together to
issue a joint-statement that meditation is
On May 3, 2011, at 4:43 PM, Buck wrote:
Yep, that is essentially the argument put forward by the second introductory
or 'preparatory' lecture. That concentration which is said by TM'ers to be
Buddhism is no good by comparison. That is a deeply held belief of TM-TB's
even today.
Yet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@
wrote:
It seems that both camps actively work at denying each
the other's experience. Like a spiritual warfare is
going on over the hearts and minds of the meditation
market.
turquoiseb:
I can honestly state that I have never encountered
an organization that claims that its technique
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
snip
My fave was when the TM Org issued press releases on their
long waited for CC'er: he'd been found and they had the EEG's
to prove it!
And then the Enlightened One left, finding out he had a rare
type of sleep disorder that
Yeah, I'd be in.
I'd like to have it stored so I could parade it around when we see the
next contortion.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
snip
My fave was when the TM Org issued press releases
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote:
Yeah, I'd be in.
I'd like to have it stored so I could parade it around when
we see the next contortion.
It's pretty convoluted, as many of Vaj's falsehoods are.
You may have to spend some time with the discussion for
it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@... wrote:
Vaj, so what you are saying is that categorically no TM/TM-Sidhi practitioner
could ever become enlightened because the technique(s) are fundamentally
flawed. So all reports of enlightenment experiences are either lies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
I say give 'em more rope and watch them hang themselves; I mean it's
endlessly entertaining and chronic narcissism is relatively harmless.
That's good to know. But you best stay tuned in should anything
change. You are so
...That took a left turn, but not an unappreciated one...funny that in a state
of whatever-we-are-calling-it-these-days-I'll-settle-for-reality, not only does
reality appear, in whatever manifestation, and so does enlightenment or self
realization, disappear. Once we experience that the
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