[FairfieldLife] Re: Links between New Age and Naziism -- in Fairfield?

2007-10-14 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a misunderstanding that I'd like to clear up right from the start. Hitler was not responsible for fascism. Hitler was a tool that was used. They did a talent search for a dictator, very openly. Then,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Links between New Age and Naziism -- in Fairfield?

2007-10-14 Thread Vaj
On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: I might not have time to elaborate too much this week since I've got a house guest from China staying with me. But I'll do what I can. Also, it's a big subject that can't be dealt with in a few emails. It definitely can't be dismissed

[FairfieldLife] Rory's insight into Hitler and Mahesh

2007-10-14 Thread Vaj
The other, more disturbing experience happened while I was watching Maharishi as he began another of his shrill tirades, and suddenly my vision split: With my right eye I was seeing Maharishi, and with my left I was seeing Adolph Hitler. The images flipped back and forth: Maharishi, Hitler,

[FairfieldLife] Re: more meditating school info with my apology to chris

2007-10-14 Thread mainstream20016
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mainstream20016 Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 11:59 AM To:

[FairfieldLife] Lurk, Miscommunication Re: Angela's take on the pompous shit

2007-10-14 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pompous shit is a somewhat condensed locution, so I'll be a little more discursive about it. Anything at all can be constructed with words (and deconstructed), including the semblance of enlightenment. Anyone

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why I say Barry is dishonest

2007-10-14 Thread Peter
I'm so glad that this is getting straightened out. I've been tossing about at night thinking about it. --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some here have expressed skepticism when I have said that Barry is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Angela's take on the pompous shit

2007-10-14 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Angela of the Wednesday night satsang again: Note: forwarded to Bronte and Posted snip Though I have seen some wisdom in this group, I have also seen too much pompous shit, and with that,

[FairfieldLife] Lurk, Miscommunication Re: Angela's take on the pompous shit

2007-10-14 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Part of her desire to join us was Turq's post on Challenging Assumptions That is deliciously ironic, since Turq is one of the biggest nazis on FFL. OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 6:06 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: Yes, I totally agree. Hitler was used by those who still want to establish the New World Order. In fact, he was told in those exact terms, New World Order,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I say Barry is dishonest

2007-10-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so glad that this is getting straightened out. I've been tossing about at night thinking about it. me too- I've got big odds riding on it in Vegas, so I hope the right one wins!! C'mon!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I totally agree. Hitler was used by those who still want to establish the New World Order. And who would that be? OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's insight into Hitler and Mahesh

2007-10-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other, more disturbing experience happened while I was watching Maharishi as he began another of his shrill tirades, and suddenly my vision split: With my right eye I was seeing Maharishi, and with my left I was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I say Barry is dishonest

2007-10-14 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so glad that this is getting straightened out. I've been tossing about at night thinking about it. Lurk: Think Groundhog Day --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread Angela Mailander
I have no idea what you mean when you say, And are these same ideas being cloned onto splinter satsang groups? As for your other question, Are there significant parallels between the Third Reich and Mahesh's spiritual movement, I'd say definitely there are. Name any article of faith you find

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Links between New Age and Naziism -- in Fairfield?

2007-10-14 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 4:30 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Links between New Age and Naziism -- in Fairfield? There is a misunderstanding that I'd like to

RE: [FairfieldLife] Rory's insight into Hitler and Mahesh

2007-10-14 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Rory's insight into Hitler and Mahesh The other, more disturbing experience happened while I was watching Maharishi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread Marek Reavis
Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 6:06 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: Yes, I totally agree. Hitler was used by those who still want to establish the New World Order. In fact, he was told in those exact terms,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread Bronte Baxter
Vaj wrote: As you know, the Vedas depict many great demons, such as Ravana, as being extremely charismatic, learned, and highly evolved. In some cases the story is told that the demon had the choice of being born into a series of righteous lives or one demonic life in which they would be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread Angela Mailander
One of the guys sent to find a person in Germany who would become a suitable dictator said as he was allegedly dying in a hospital in Shanghai that the people who run the world are in Tibet or were educated there. But he was a shady character capable of saying anything. One of Hitler's best

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no idea what you mean when you say, And are these same ideas being cloned onto splinter satsang groups? As for your other question, Are there significant parallels between the Third Reich and Mahesh's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the guys sent to find a person in Germany who would become a suitable dictator said as he was allegedly dying in a hospital in Shanghai that the people who run the world are in Tibet or were educated

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread Angela Mailander
Did I say or imply that it's better to strive to be an Untermensch? How did you arrive at that conclusion. I've made no judgment of any kind yet. I'm just comparing two things that seem to me to invite comparison. a off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread Bronte Baxter
Flanegin wrote: My friend's response was that that attitude was a cop-out which allowed people to rationalize all sorts of mischief by gurus and other leaders. Thanks for sharing this-- Its a great piece of writing! I'd agree that good and evil, light and dark, balance each other out in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread Angela Mailander
I have seen no real evidence that there are off-world beings. So I do not believe or disbelieve their existence. This is not a question of belief, but a question of fact. Until there is credible evidence, I will keep an open mind on the question. That the people I mentioned said what they

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread Bronte Baxter
Flanegin wrote: My friend's response was that that attitude was a cop-out which allowed people to rationalize all sorts of mischief by gurus and other leaders. Thanks for sharing this-- Its a great piece of writing! I'd agree that good and evil, light and dark, balance each other out in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Links between New Age and Naziism -- in Fairfield?

2007-10-14 Thread Bhairitu
Angela Mailander wrote: I might not have time to elaborate too much this week since I've got a house guest from China staying with me. But I'll do what I can. Also, it's a big subject that can't be dealt with in a few emails. It definitely can't be dismissed with a facile phrase like the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did I say or imply that it's better to strive to be an Untermensch? How did you arrive at that conclusion. I've made no judgment of any kind yet. I'm just comparing two things that seem to me to invite

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread feste37
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela was right. MMY made his disciples into Nazis. Have you ever read anything about the Nazis? Do you know who they were, and what they did?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread Bhairitu
Vaj wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:56 PM, Bhairitu wrote: One has to look beyond Hitler and follow the money. He was trained and used by those who wanted to control the world and still want to today. Nazism was designed to appeal to the country folk (I've heard Hitler was not so popular in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen no real evidence that there are off-world beings. So I do not believe or disbelieve their existence. This is not a question of belief, but a question of fact. Until there is credible evidence, I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flanegin wrote: My friend's response was that that attitude was a cop-out which allowed people to rationalize all sorts of mischief by gurus and other leaders. Thanks for sharing this-- Its a great

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Links between New Age and Naziism -- in Fairfield?

2007-10-14 Thread Bhairitu
lurkernomore20002000 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a misunderstanding that I'd like to clear up right from the start. Hitler was not responsible for fascism. Hitler was a tool that was used. They did a talent search for a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's insight into Hitler and Mahesh

2007-10-14 Thread sgrayatlarge
-Suddenly the Nazi qualities of his guards and the concentration-camp sufferings of NOIDA all fell into place. In some weird way, were TM'ers attempting to balance the karmic atrocities of the Nazis that we ourselves had been in former lives? Yes for two or 4 whole weeks we who stayed in Noida

Re: [FairfieldLife] Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread Vaj
On Oct 14, 2007, at 7:47 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: I have no idea what you mean when you say, And are these same ideas being cloned onto splinter satsang groups? Are these same Nazi-esque ideas from the TMO and Mahesian Reich being seen in even (presumably independent and autonomous)

[FairfieldLife] Re: more meditating school info with my apology to chris

2007-10-14 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, the ideas that: all is well...that everything is now being taken care of to bring Sat Yug Are you of the opinion then, that nothing is well, and that kali-yug is descending into more darkness than ever

Re: [FairfieldLife] Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread Vaj
On Oct 14, 2007, at 8:46 PM, Bronte Baxter wrote: Vaj wrote: As you know, the Vedas depict many great demons, such as Ravana, as being extremely charismatic, learned, and highly evolved. In some cases the story is told that the demon had the choice of being born into a series of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 7:47 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: I have no idea what you mean when you say, And are these same ideas being cloned onto splinter satsang groups? Are these same Nazi-esque ideas from the TMO and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Lurk, Miscommunication Re: Angela's take on the pompous shit

2007-10-14 Thread Bronte Baxter
In what sense do you think Turq is like Nazi-like? He is devoted to complete individual freedom, as far as I can tell. That's the opposite of Nazism. - Bronte off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[FairfieldLife] For Card: a follow up on YS III. 37. Thanks for the discussion.

2007-10-14 Thread emptybill
About YS III.37 - Card: please note that the sutra in question is #37 not 38. All my translations are the same in the numbering sequence. You apparently have an extra sutra in your edition, either by addition or bifurcation. YS III.37: te samaadhaav upasargaa vyutthaane siddhayaH They

Re: [FairfieldLife] Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread Angela Mailander
Would you kindly speak a simple English to me? Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 7:47 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: I have no idea what you mean when you say, And are these same ideas being cloned onto splinter satsang groups? Are these same

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's insight into Hitler and Mahesh

2007-10-14 Thread Bronte Baxter
Jim wrote: That is Rory's business. I think he went on to add that he had been with Hitler in a past life. Are you implying that because of Rory's vision, this is irrefutable proof that Maharishi IS a hitler, or a nazi? Again please refer to my earlier question about when he begins amassing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread Angela Mailander
To the question who are they and how do I know it: Briefly the way Hitler got made was this: Two guys show up in Munich, both with a long string of aliases and both of them from abroad. Nobody knows where they got their money, historians have looked and haven't been able to figure it out.

[FairfieldLife] Lurk, Miscommunication Re: Angela's take on the pompous shit

2007-10-14 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In what sense do you think Turq is like Nazi-like? He is devoted to complete individual freedom, as far as I can tell. On the contrary, he is entirely devoted to his opinion being espoused over all other opinions,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To the question who are they and how do I know it: Briefly the way Hitler got made was this: Two guys show up in Munich, both with a long string of aliases and both of them from abroad. Nobody knows where they

[FairfieldLife] Lurk, Miscommunication Re: Angela's take on the pompous shit

2007-10-14 Thread lurkernomore20002000
Bronte: In what sense do you think Turq is like Nazi-like? He is devoted to complete individual freedom, as far as I can tell. Offworld: On the contrary, he is entirely devoted to his opinion being espoused over all other opinions, by any irrational and devious way necessary to promote his

[FairfieldLife] Lurk, Miscommunication Re: Angela's take on the pompous shit

2007-10-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter brontebaxter8@ wrote: In what sense do you think Turq is like Nazi-like? He is devoted to complete individual freedom, as far as I can tell. On the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Lurk, Miscommunication Re: Angela's take on the pompous shit

2007-10-14 Thread Angela Mailander
It is true that no mainstream academic historian would touch the occult side of the Hitler-regime. Those that have, have ruined their careers. That doesn't make the story I'm telling untrue. There is too much evidence. And then, what is an agent of the Pope in New York City doing in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's insight into Hitler and Mahesh

2007-10-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim wrote: That is Rory's business. I think he went on to add that he had been with Hitler in a past life. Are you implying that because of Rory's vision, this is irrefutable proof that Maharishi IS a hitler,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Links between New Age and Naziism -- in Fairfield?

2007-10-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:44 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 4:55 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj

[FairfieldLife] Re: more meditating school info with my apology to chris

2007-10-14 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

[FairfieldLife] Response to when is it a miracle

2007-10-14 Thread Ron
OM Namo Narayan - 0- The Miracle is when all falls away and simply the Extraordinary Ordinary of 0 point balance remains. Then One begins to Live - when the illusion is laid bare then an even Greater Mystery is Entered. Hahahahahahahahahah Maha Shanti

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Links between New Age and Naziism -- in Fairfield?

2007-10-14 Thread Angela Mailander
Who's they is a good question, and I know for sure that I can't know what the upper levels of the governing hierarchy are. I know for sure the Vatican was very much involved in the creation of Hitler. And Wall Street was ultimately responsible for the financing. In 1947 Senator Homer T. Bone

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flanegin wrote: My friend's response was that that attitude was a cop-out which allowed people to rationalize all sorts of mischief by gurus and other leaders. Thanks for sharing this-- Its a great

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread Angela Mailander
Atrocities are very possible when you believe that a) you are not the doer, b) it's all an illusion anyway, c) the atrocities are committed as a means to heaven on earth for a thousand years, and d) death is not real. a jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Concern about what people think

2007-10-14 Thread Ron
Comment: Also, I realized that I no longer care what people think of my experience. I'm no longer guarding it. It is what it is. Opinions and perceptions are barely fazing me. I'm delighting in this liberation. Go ahead, think me crazy, no problem! If the nut bus is headed to Realization,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

2007-10-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Atrocities are very possible when you believe that a) you are not the doer, b) it's all an illusion anyway, c) the atrocities are committed as a means to heaven on earth for a thousand years, and d) death is not

[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Sri Chinmoy

2007-10-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Sri Chinmoy

2007-10-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Did you ever see him Jim ? Hi, no I didn't-- I just watched

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