[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote: Maharishi has considerable influence politico-social sphere in India. He can pull strings and get things done. Besides the number of devotees willing to obey him and do anything for him is still high. In India, if you have the right connections, Nothing can touch you. It is very different from America. I think the power of the Nephews will diminish if Maharishi attains Samadhi [Dies]. They cannot be completely ridden off. Probably, Bevan Morris and John Hagelin will be the two hot-shots controling the movement and it's finances. It depends on who controls the bank accounts. Bevan, John, and Tony will be among the early casualties if the nephews have control of those. JohnY In the name of demystification, the nephews? Who are they? A list of names, ages and links to photos would be a good start. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote: Maharishi has considerable influence politico-social sphere in India. He can pull strings and get things done. Besides the number of devotees willing to obey him and do anything for him is still high. In India, if you have the right connections, Nothing can touch you. It is very different from America. I think the power of the Nephews will diminish if Maharishi attains Samadhi [Dies]. They cannot be completely ridden off. Probably, Bevan Morris and John Hagelin will be the two hot-shots controling the movement and it's finances. It depends on who controls the bank accounts. Bevan, John, and Tony will be among the early casualties if the nephews have control of those. JohnY In the name of demystification, the nephews? Who are they? A list of names, ages and links to photos would be a good start. Huey Louie Dooey ...can't remember the other ones... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: In the name of demystification, the nephews? Who are they? A list of names, ages and links to photos would be a good start. Huey Louie Dooey ...can't remember the other ones... Here are the photos. One of them is even wearing a crown, leaving no question about what he's up to... http://duckman.pettho.com/characters/hdl.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:15:43 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well your friend is clearly just unstressing and should stop spreading these negative rumors. Besides the scriptures state that one man attaining Brahman spreads enlighenment throughout his family, so clearly Maharishi's nephews are also enjoying a high degree of enlightenment which means their actions are spontaneously in tune with All the Laws of Nature, the Will of God, which means there's nothing wrong with their so-called wild parties. Are you enlightened Rick?? Who are you to judge them?? They clearly need fancy mansions and cars in order to entertain Indian Gov't Dignitaries who are key to establishing large pundit groups who will bring on Sat Yuga for all mankind, so who cares about their apparent lavish lifestyles considering their larger purpose?? Besides, you should stay focused on King Nadar Ram and the Rajas, not the nephews who have the real power, otherwise the CIA will get after them and ruin humanity's only hope for a problem free life. Is this irony or the usual true believer kidology? I can't tell anymore I noticed that, too. Perhaps I'm too subtle To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: From: markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ Well your friend is clearly just unstressing and should stop spreading these negative rumors. Besides the scriptures state that one man attaining Brahman spreads enlighenment throughout his family, so clearly Maharishi's nephews are also enjoying a high degree of enlightenment which means their actions are spontaneously in tune with All the Laws of Nature, the Will of God, which means there's nothing wrong with their so-called wild parties. Are you enlightened Rick?? Who are you to judge them?? They clearly need fancy mansions and cars in order to entertain Indian Gov't Dignitaries who are key to establishing large pundit groups who will bring on Sat Yuga for all mankind, so who cares about their apparent lavish lifestyles considering their larger purpose?? Besides, you should stay focused on King Nadar Ram and the Rajas, not the nephews who have the real power, otherwise the CIA will get after them and ruin humanity's only hope for a problem free life. Is this irony or the usual true believer kidology? I can't tell anymore I noticed that, too. Perhaps I'm too subtle No, Mark is subtle. His rap is such effective parody *because* it could have been stated *verbatim* by someone high up in the TM move- ment. They would have said this same stuff, and believed every word of it. It's one of the very Laws Of Nature that they like to talk about: Mindless fuckin' robots can't tell that they're acting like mindless fuckin' robots. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
Kansas to be home to World Capital of Peace Small town finds Yogis disciples not so scary By LAURA BAUER The Kansas City Star One morning last week an article in his county newspaper caught Smith Center, Kan., Mayor Randy Archer off guard. A nonprofit organization had purchased 480 acres of land just outside the north-central Kansas town. And in just a few hours, members would break ground on the World Capital of Peace, a project launched by followers of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and his Transcendental Meditation movement. For some in this town of 1,800, which Archer says has the oldest population in Kansas, worry set in. And as many residents wondered what a World Capital of Peace was, the rumors started. Some people thought this might be a cult, Archer said in a phone interview. And Im saying to myself, OK, lets go see what theyre about. I went in blind. What Archer soon discovered: The World Capital of Peace is intended to be a $14 million centerpiece of hundreds of peace palaces across the nation. A palace is planned for the Kansas City area, according to advertisements that have appeared in The Kansas City Star for several weeks. In Fairfield, Iowa, the movement has had a university since the mid-1970s and has sparked an economic surge and business boom in the past two decades. With its declining population and struggling tax base, Smith Center would wholeheartedly welcome a similar surge, county and city officials say. I certainly believe it will bring money to the community, said Charles Sellens, administrative assistant for the Smith County commissioners. I have very positive feelings about them being in the community. The transcendental meditation movement, known as TM, began in India in the 1950s. Celebrity disciples have included the Beatles, comedian Andy Kaufman and actor and director Clint Eastwood. But for many in Smith County, the concept could not have been more foreign. I can say I definitely had reservations, Sellens said. He headed out to the property immediately after he read about the project last week in the Smith County Pioneer. The groundbreaking was set for noon the same day. Sellens was there shaking hands and asking questions by 9:30 a.m. He met a lot of people, many of them Maharishi officials. All were professionals, everything from doctors and lawyers to teachers and engineers. He liked what he saw and heard and went back a couple of hours later for the groundbreaking. There, male officials with the movement wore light or cream-colored suits or robes; the women wore sarongs. Two groups involved in the Smith County project are affiliated with Maharishi. The Global Country of World Peace purchased the land; the U.S. Peace Government will have offices at the facility. Many in Smith County are beginning to understand what the movement and its followers are about. Their commonality seems to be they like this meditation method for dealing with stresses in their life, Sellens said. Archer, who attended the groundbreaking ceremony, is putting his communitys fears to rest that its a certain religion or cult. He calls it a way of life. Its different, the mayor said. But its not scary. He now estimates that 95 percent of the Smith Center population favors the project. Archer and others say they are glad to have people moving to their area instead of out. In the mid-1990s, Smith Centers population was about 2,500, and now it hovers at 1,800. I think weve got to open our hearts and our minds and not criticize them to start off with, said Bob Rethorst, on the board of directors for the Smith Center Chamber of Commerce. Lets see what theyve got. The peoples looming question of Why Smith County? had a simple answer. Smith County is a very special place in Kansas, said Kent Boyum, an ecologist and the director of government relations for the Global Country of World Peace. Its the center of the United States. The Smith County center will ultimately have 12 to 15 peace palaces, each consisting of two stories and 12,000 total square feet. Boyum said the buildings would be created in a factory and then brought to Smith Center, where they will be placed on the 480 acres. Organizers hope to have the first building in place within three months. In the end, the goal is to have about 300 full-time residents at the World Capital of Peace, with others coming for retreats. Full-time residents will practice Transcendental Meditation and organic farming, but the area will also be open to tourists, Boyum said. Our intention is to have something very pleasant, he said. Theres absolutely no surprise people would have questions about it or be a little afraid. But at the same time, when they actually meet us as individuals, were just normal people like everyone else. The mayor of Fairfield, Iowa, knows some of what the small Kansas town and county can expect. He moved to Fairfield in 1980. Shortly
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Earth is a School of Life- St. Germaine- 4/7/2006'
St. Germain's english has improved wonderfully! --- Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: St. Germain 7th April, 2006 Following on my last message about the dimensions immediately above the Earth�s, I would like to continue with further comments. Whatever part of the world you leave behind when your transition tales place, you will find yourself in a similar location to the one you left. In Nirvana there are areas that represent every place upon Earth, and also the different time periods. Some who pass over will carry on living in the same one, until the time arrives when another incarnation is arranged. You can move around but there are some limitations so as to preserve the peace in another time period different to your own. It is a matter of whether you simply visit a time slot in history out of interest, or return to one in which you took an active part. In Nirvana there is no division of day and night, as light is constant. Furthermore, you have no need for a measure of time as such and it is unnecessary. It happens that you eventually lose your sense of what time it is upon Earth, as that is no longer important. There is however contact with people still incarnate, and through them the more personal aspects of life upon Earth are understood. Most contact is during their sleep period, when many meet their friends and loved ones. The fact that very few remember such meetings when they return to Earth, is because their memory of them is purposely veiled. The reason is that you have day to day responsibilities, which must not be disturbed by your thoughts about what is happening off Earth. It would otherwise be too easy for your attention to be diverted away from important matters that affect your life plan. It is possibly true to say that your loved ones who have gone before you know more about your progress upon Earth than you do. They are allowed to follow your life within certain parameters, but not in any sense of interference. For example, you may need helpful advice to overcome problems and they are sometimes able to influence you in a way that points you in the right direction. They can do this because they see the larger greater picture, and have an awareness of other people�s input into your life. Many of you sense your loved ones around you, and they try to reach you with their thoughts. Sometimes you will awake from your slumbers, and sense that you have met them but be unaware of the details. Help comes to you in many ways, and great interest is taken in how your life is progressing. You tap into a number of sources, including your Guides and Higher Self. What you often call coincidence is a well planned event that is set up especially for you. Whether it is positive or negative, it is meant to be part of your experience and has meaning for the completion of your life plan. It may seem that many experiences are of little significance, but you may see it quite differently at some future time. Think of how many influences there are in your life, and how much advice you get. It comes at you from all quarters and in the end it is you who have to make the decision. This is why it is necessary for you to have a specific goal in mind but have no fear that you will go astray for long, as efforts will be made by your Guides to get you back on your path again. If your life should seem aimless, perhaps you should look at yourself and question whether you have missed opportunities to progress. Have you put off what you could have already done, when deep down you know that you should have gone ahead? As you have freewill you may ask whether it matters what you do, and the answer is yes it does. When you leave this life you will become aware of what the purpose was, and in that greater understanding you will certainly be disappointed if opportunities to progress have been missed. Earth is a school of life, and is surely most remarkable inasmuch that each and every person interacts, and yet you will each have your personal path amongst them. It is not always necessary for you to have an ongoing contact with people that come into your life. Some come for a brief moment never to return, but that meeting may clear up a point of Karma. There is a way in which your Guides can call upon another soul to briefly help you, as a payment in kind for a good deed given them. This may have occurred in another lifetime, and events often work out in such a way. Although you are all in the end times, many are still embracing the old way and happy to continue doing so. For them this period is most important as by its very nature it offers so many opportunities to progress. They will eventually leave Earth for further lifetimes on the new one that is prepared for them, and will take their experiences with them. For them it will appear as one continual experience as they will still be in the 3D
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:15 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Look my source for any info I have on the DL are the movies Seven years in Tibet, Kundun and that Snow Lion documentary. If I've got it wrong, blame Martin Scorcese and Brad Pitt... Or blame someone so stupid and lazy that he bases his bigoted rant against Tibetant Buddhism on the little he's seen in the movies. :-) Are you saying that Martin Scorcese was wrong? No, merely that for cinematic reasons he shortened a month-long process into about three or four minutes of screen time and that you, like many equally-brain- dead, lazy Americans, thought that those three to four minutes portrayed the whole story. :-) Also, that *as* a brain-dead, lazyass, incurious American, you were content to *settle* for the movie version rather than looking into the reality, and exerting a little effort to find out more. :-) How about the documentary Tibet: Cry of the Snow Lion? If I'm wrong in my analysis, why not tell me where I'm wrong? Well, since you asked...basically I think you're an angry guy who has spent thirty years or so pursuing a spiritual path that has never paid off for him in terms of direct spiritual experience. Therefore, you are jealous of and want to fuck with those whose paths *have* paid off for them in terms of spiritual experience. What gets you off is trying to find things that'll enable you to put down those who have had experiences you have not. In other words, your operating system is Aesopian: sour grapes. You'd rather put down someone else's experiences than do a little work to have your own. :-) Read John Avedon's _In Exile From the Land of Snows_. Or, much better, read: The Fourteen Dalai Lamas: A Sacred Legacy of Reincarnation, by Dalai Lama XIV, Glenn H. Mullin, and Valerie Shepherd. This book lists the historical tests that were performed to verify that the kid named as the rein- carnation of the previous Dalai Lama really was. Unlike the movie version, the tests often went on for a month, five or six such tests per day. Failing *any* of them meant that the kid was not the right one. hahahahahahahahaahaha. Dear, dear Barry. I've seen to hit a sore spot. You'd like to think that. But the reality is that, *unlike you*, I've actually *studied* with Tibetan teachers who could *demonstrate* the basis on which they can track beings through their incarnations. I've been there, done that as they did it. It's an utterly fascinating, nigh unto mindblowing experience. And yes, it makes *absolutely no sense* to someone who is attached to Western ways of seeing and think- ing, but damn! -- when you are there participating in the process -- damn if it doesn't work. Go figure. The man who takes every opportunity to hit the TMO for weird and crazy things and here you are defending probably one of the weirdest cults of them all: one that chooses its leader based on some sort of fairy tale about reincarnation! hahahahahahahahahaha. Laugh while you can, Monkeyboy. (Trivia question here...who can name the movie that the above quote comes from?) :-) The issue, Shemp, is that you're laughing at a group of people who have more knowledge than you do about a certain subject -- death, dying, and reincarnation. And you're laughing at them and trying to put them down, when what a *smart* seeker would be doing is trying to figure out what they know, and whether it might be useful. Did you notice, only a few days ago, how *quickly* the subject of death, dying and reincaration *DIED* here on FFL? The subject came up, a few TMers posted the few rumors that they'd heard about the subject from within the TM movement or from other Indian sources, and a couple of people posted a few more tangible things they'd learned from the Tibetan teachers with whom they'd actually studied. And within a day the subject was no more. Over. Fini. Ignored as if it had never happened. I thought it was a fascinating exchange. The *reason* the subject died so quickly was -- in my opinion -- because the TMers realized how little they actually *knew* about death and dying, and about how the reincarnation process actually works. They were able, when the subject came up, to report only *rumors* that they'd heard from *non-official* TM sources. The discussion made it clear that *at no point* in their entire TM career had anyone sat them down and explained to them what death and dying were all about, and how they could best prepare for it. I guess my point is that when it comes to the process of death, dying, and rebirth, you are *not* likely to find out anything of worth by studying with anyone from an Indian/Hindu background. Whereas, if that is one
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the furor surrounding the revelation that Bush himself approved the outing of Valerie Plame In fact, there has been no such revelation. The revelation is that Scooter Libby, Cheney's former chief of staff (currently under indictment for obstruction of justice), according to special prosecutor Fitzgerald in a court filing, claims that Cheney told him that Bush had authorized the leaking of certain information from a classified National Intelligence Estimate to a reporter 10 days before parts of that NIE were declassified and released to the public. What connection, if any, that leak has to the outing of Plame is unclear. The preponderance of legal opinion at this point is that the leak of the NIE information, while it did not follow established procedures, was not a crime per se (although it was hypocritical in the extreme given Bush's condemnation of leaks generally, and the fact that the NIE leak appears to have been made for political purposes). There's also a question (but not Fitzgerald's question, at least so far) as to whether Bush and Cheney, in their interviews with Fitzgerald, may have effectively lied in not revealing that Bush had authorized the NIE leak. , a high-level undercover CIA operative (an act that is technically treason according to U.S. law): Give it a rest already. We all know that Presidential treason is nowhere near as serious as getting a blow job. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
It's hard to know why this Bush guy is still standing. What does he have to do to get impeached? Lying about Iraq, illegal wire-tapping, and now leaking classified information to discredit a political opponent. An all-round disgrace to America, and yet somehow he's still president! Amazing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the furor surrounding the revelation that Bush himself approved the outing of Valerie Plame, a high-level undercover CIA operative (an act that is technically treason according to U.S. law): Give it a rest already. We all know that Presidential treason is nowhere near as serious as getting a blow job. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip How about the documentary Tibet: Cry of the Snow Lion? If I'm wrong in my analysis, why not tell me where I'm wrong? Well, since you asked... Note that Barry does not answer the question Shemp asked but substitutes his own question, one that enables him to put Shemp down in his answer. snip They've got a clue, in my opinion. In my opinion, NO ONE I've *ever* encountered from an Indian/Hindu-based tradition does. They are basically *clueless* as to what happens when they die, and often as fearful of dying as the man on the street. (Just look at Maharishi hiding in his sterile room, afraid to even interact with other human beings...is this how some- one who is 'established in Brahman' or even unafraid of death would act?) Quite possibly, if he felt it was important for him to stay alive as long as possible to complete a crucial task. Fear of death is far from the only reason to postpone it as long as possible. Some might even *prefer* to die rather than hang around but feel a sense of obligation to complete unfinished business. And to be even more in your face, death is going to happen -- to YOU -- far sooner than you want it to. You personally are going to DIE within twenty years, and probably closer to ten. Shemp is going to die in his early 60s or 70s? And you know this how? You're going to be lying on your deathbed, still knowing as little about what lies in front of you when your body breathes its last breath as you do today. You'll be about to dive into an experience that is as much a mystery for you as it was the day you were born. Whereas a lot of people who have actually studied with the tradition you like to make fun of (Tibetan Buddhism) will just be getting ready to perform a series of meditational exercises that they've been preparing for their whole lives. Or one might be of the opinion that some people are so afraid of mystery and the unknown that they spend significant portions of their lives absorbing others' speculations about the mystery and convincing themselves they have the definitive map to it, as well as putting out a great deal of effort in exercises these same folks have told them will make the mystery less scary when they have to face it. snip I'm just sayin', Shemp...that the time before you die might be better spent figuring out what dying is all about than it would be trashing the only people on the planet who seem to be able to *teach* you what dying is all about. Some may feel that the time before you die should be spent in living that time fully, rather than becoming preoccupied with what might happen after it. It seems to me that the people who are *most* afraid to die are those who spend inordinate amounts of time trying to prepare themselves for it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's hard to know why this Bush guy is still standing. What does he have to do to get impeached? At the least, he has to lose control of Congress in the elections this fall. And there's also the question of whether Cheney would be a preferable chief executive. Lying about Iraq, illegal wire-tapping, and now leaking classified information to discredit a political opponent. An all- round disgrace to America, and yet somehow he's still president! Amazing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: In the furor surrounding the revelation that Bush himself approved the outing of Valerie Plame, a high-level undercover CIA operative (an act that is technically treason according to U.S. law): Give it a rest already. We all know that Presidential treason is nowhere near as serious as getting a blow job. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
On Apr 8, 2006, at 8:48 AM, feste37 wrote: It's hard to know why this Bush guy is still standing. What does he have to do to get impeached? Have sex in the Oval Office with someone other than his wife, while being a Democrat, or both? Those apparently are greater crimes than all the things you've listed below. Lying about Iraq, illegal wire-tapping, and now leaking classified information to discredit a political opponent. An all-round disgrace to America, and yet somehow he's still president! Amazing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
on 4/8/06 8:09 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laugh while you can, Monkeyboy. (Trivia question here...who can name the movie that the above quote comes from?) :-) Buckaroo Banzai? And to be even more in your face, death is going to happen -- to YOU -- far sooner than you want it to. You personally are going to DIE within twenty years, and probably closer to ten. Why so soon? Is Shemp 75? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
on 4/8/06 1:46 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the name of demystification, the nephews? Who are they? A list of names, ages and links to photos would be a good start. One of them is Girish Shrivastava. His photo is here: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/328a?c= To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi and Muktananda enjoying a hug
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and Muktananda enjoying a hug
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/8253?b=21 ENJOYING a hug? What are you suggesting, Rick?? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
In a message dated 4/8/06 9:20:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's hard to know why this Bush guy is still standing. What does he have to do to get impeached?Have sex in the Oval Office with someone other than his wife, while being a Democrat, or both? Not enough, hemust lie under oath in a deposition given in a sexual harassment law suit which would prevent the truth regarding sexual harassment history from being uncovered. Then you might get some where. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and Muktananda enjoying a hug
on 4/8/06 9:49 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/8253?b=21 ENJOYING a hug? What are you suggesting, Rick?? Nothing. That's just the phase that came to mind. Just being silly. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
On Apr 8, 2006, at 9:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The man who takes every opportunity to hit the TMO for weird and crazy things and here you are defending probably one of the weirdest cults of them all: one that chooses its leader based on some sort of fairy tale about reincarnation! hahahahahahahahahaha. Laugh while you can, Monkeyboy. (Trivia question here...who can name the movie that the above quote comes from?) :-) The issue, Shemp, is that you're laughing at a group of people who have more knowledge than you do about a certain subject -- death, dying, and reincarnation. And you're laughing at them and trying to put them down, when what a *smart* seeker would be doing is trying to figure out what they know, and whether it might be useful. Did you notice, only a few days ago, how *quickly* the subject of death, dying and reincaration *DIED* here on FFL? The subject came up, a few TMers posted the few rumors that they'd heard about the subject from within the TM movement or from other Indian sources, and a couple of people posted a few more tangible things they'd learned from the Tibetan teachers with whom they'd actually studied. And within a day the subject was no more. Over. Fini. Ignored as if it had never happened. Really typical of FFL--esp. since the alt.tm.med diaspora--since before there wasn't groups of obsessive posters redirecting the conversation back to you know what. Fill a list with one liners and Mrs.-Spock-who-learned-TM and there ain't room for much else. But that's the way fundies are I guess... I thought it was a fascinating exchange. The *reason* the subject died so quickly was -- in my opinion -- because the TMers realized how little they actually *knew* about death and dying, and about how the reincarnation process actually works. They were able, when the subject came up, to report only *rumors* that they'd heard from *non-official* TM sources. The discussion made it clear that *at no point* in their entire TM career had anyone sat them down and explained to them what death and dying were all about, and how they could best prepare for it. Maybe they'll reincarnate in India. Meanwhile all the indians are busy reincarnating here :-). Maybe that's why we were only given part of the puzzle: it's actually the biggest real estate heist in history. Mahesh will use the power of the Sri Yantra he stole from SBS to reincarnate him and his minions here and take over the US, meanwhile TMers will all unconsciously reincarnate to India and other third world countries. Voila! He'll have become king of the US. Then the Islamofascists will nuke India and the inner elect of M.'s entourage will rule from the US, safe and sound. I guess my point is that when it comes to the process of death, dying, and rebirth, you are *not* likely to find out anything of worth by studying with anyone from an Indian/Hindu background. Whereas, if that is one your interests, you *are* likely to find out a little of how it all works by studying with a tradition that has delved into this subject for thousands of years, with some success. That is, Tibetan Buddhists. Well if they studied mantra shastra to its logical conclusion, they would eventually learn to consciously leave their bodies, but only a few are doing that. They think they have it all...or so they've been conditioned to believe. They've got a clue, in my opinion. In my opinion, NO ONE I've *ever* encountered from an Indian/Hindu-based tradition does. They are basically *clueless* as to what happens when they die, and often as fearful of dying as the man on the street. (Just look at Maharishi hiding in his sterile room, afraid to even interact with other human beings...is this how some- one who is 'established in Brahman' or even unafraid of death would act?) Interesting image. Howard Hughes as holistic yogi. And to be even more in your face, death is going to happen -- to YOU -- far sooner than you want it to. You personally are going to DIE within twenty years, and probably closer to ten. You're going to be lying on your deathbed, still knowing as little about what lies in front of you when your body breathes its last breath as you do today. You'll be about to dive into an experience that is as much a mystery for you as it was the day you were born. Whereas a lot of people who have actually studied with the tradition you like to make fun of (Tibetan Buddhism) will just be getting ready to perform a series of meditational exercises that they've been preparing for their whole lives. They also just might realize, if they died why still living, that human spans are rather short and that it might be helpful to open channels of communication with beings who are not only enlightened, but huge lifespans compared to ours. Humans aren't the only ones
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and Muktananda enjoying a hug
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/8/06 9:49 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/8253? b=21 ENJOYING a hug? What are you suggesting, Rick?? Nothing. That's just the phase that came to mind. Just being silly. Rick...I was kidding you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's hard to know why this Bush guy is still standing. What does he have to do to get impeached? Lying about Iraq, illegal wire-tapping, and now leaking classified information to discredit a political opponent. An all- round disgrace to America, and yet somehow he's still president! Amazing. Its been like that forever. Bush and company have been exceptionally clumsy in covering their tracks, but exceptionally clever in exploiting the media to make everyone look the other way. The media is starting to pay attention, but not as much as I would like. In Tucson, the liberal newspaper carried a banner headline on page 2 about the thing, while the conservative newspaper put it on the front page of the second section. In another era it would have been thelead story in both papers, IMHO. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/8/06 8:09 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laugh while you can, Monkeyboy. (Trivia question here...who can name the movie that the above quote comes from?) :-) Buckaroo Banzai? Give that man a kewpie doll. :-) One of the great cult films of all time. And to be even more in your face, death is going to happen -- to YOU -- far sooner than you want it to. You personally are going to DIE within twenty years, and probably closer to ten. Why so soon? Is Shemp 75? No particular reason, and it may not be true. But he IS going to die, and if he manages to live the rest of his life as incurious and as unwilling to exert *any* effort to learn anything new as he has during the last few years, he'll face that death as ignorant of what it's all about as he is today. For some reason, that just struck me as sad this morning, and so I wrote what I wrote. Periodically, Shemp decides to trash the Dalai Lama and Things Tibetan for -- as far as I can tell -- no other reason than to be a troll and to be provocative. He knows *nothing* about the Dalai Lama, nothing about Tibetan history, nothing about Tibetan Buddhism, and doesn't really *care* to learn anything or intend to *ever* learn anything about it. Where this subject is concerned, Shemp is what I termed a typical American -- Ignorant And Proud Of It. I just got tired of putting up with his troll act is all, and decided to call him on it. If he actually has any desire to *learn* something about Tibet and its approach to death, dying, and reincarnation, I will be happy to interact with him. But for that to happen, he has to do his homework, and read a book called The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying, by Sogyal Rinpoche, Patrick D. Gaffney, and Andrew Harvey. If he does, I'll interact with him on the subject of Tibet and its philosophies. If he doesn't, I'll continue to treat him as the ignorant adolescent he seems content to be, and to be until he dies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It's hard to know why this Bush guy is still standing. What does he have to do to get impeached? At the least, he has to lose control of Congress in the elections this fall. And there's also the question of whether Cheney would be a preferable chief executive. Well DeLay is about to go, so wait for the Dems to win back the House, impeach Cheney, then impeach Bush, then hope the current minority leader can do better. Lying about Iraq, illegal wire-tapping, and now leaking classified information to discredit a political opponent. An all- round disgrace to America, and yet somehow he's still president! Amazing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: In the furor surrounding the revelation that Bush himself approved the outing of Valerie Plame, a high-level undercover CIA operative (an act that is technically treason according to U.S. law): Give it a rest already. We all know that Presidential treason is nowhere near as serious as getting a blow job. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It's hard to know why this Bush guy is still standing. What does he have to do to get impeached? At the least, he has to lose control of Congress in the elections this fall. And there's also the question of whether Cheney would be a preferable chief executive. Well DeLay is about to go, so wait for the Dems to win back the House, impeach Cheney, then impeach Bush, then hope the current minority leader can do better. The Dems would have to win back the Senate too, more than likely, in order to convict them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/8/06 9:20:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's hard to know why this Bush guy is still standing. What does he have to do to get impeached? Have sex in the Oval Office with someone other than his wife, while being a Democrat, or both? Not enough, he must lie under oath in a deposition given in a sexual harassment law suit which would prevent the truth regarding sexual harassment history from being uncovered. Then you might get some where. Except, of course, the judge ruled the answer immaterial anyway. AFTER she required him to answer the question. Interesting how that worked out... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/8/06 8:09 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laugh while you can, Monkeyboy. (Trivia question here...who can name the movie that the above quote comes from?) :-) Buckaroo Banzai? Give that man a kewpie doll. :-) One of the great cult films of all time. I mentioned that a Buckaroo comic is coming out, didn't I? Done by the guys who did the movie. The preview comic has a great editorial about the way in which Buckaroo was buried in Studio Limbo for so long. RIghts, rights, who owns the rights? Actually, they're STILL not sure... And to be even more in your face, death is going to happen -- to YOU -- far sooner than you want it to. You personally are going to DIE within twenty years, and probably closer to ten. Why so soon? Is Shemp 75? No particular reason, and it may not be true. But he IS going to die, and if he manages to live the rest of his life as incurious and as unwilling to exert *any* effort to learn anything new as he has during the last few years, he'll face that death as ignorant of what it's all about as he is today. For some reason, that just struck me as sad this morning, and so I wrote what I wrote. Periodically, Shemp decides to trash the Dalai Lama and Things Tibetan for -- as far as I can tell -- no other reason than to be a troll and to be provocative. He knows *nothing* about the Dalai Lama, nothing about Tibetan history, nothing about Tibetan Buddhism, and doesn't really *care* to learn anything or intend to *ever* learn anything about it. Where this subject is concerned, Shemp is what I termed a typical American -- Ignorant And Proud Of It. I just got tired of putting up with his troll act is all, and decided to call him on it. If he actually has any desire to *learn* something about Tibet and its approach to death, dying, and reincarnation, I will be happy to interact with him. But for that to happen, he has to do his homework, and read a book called The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying, by Sogyal Rinpoche, Patrick D. Gaffney, and Andrew Harvey. If he does, I'll interact with him on the subject of Tibet and its philosophies. If he doesn't, I'll continue to treat him as the ignorant adolescent he seems content to be, and to be until he dies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It's hard to know why this Bush guy is still standing. What does he have to do to get impeached? At the least, he has to lose control of Congress in the elections this fall. And there's also the question of whether Cheney would be a preferable chief executive. Well DeLay is about to go, so wait for the Dems to win back the House, impeach Cheney, then impeach Bush, then hope the current minority leader can do better. The Dems would have to win back the Senate too, more than likely, in order to convict them. True, and to be honest, there's likely enough skeletons in *everyone's* closet about this thing that Bush and CHeney are safe from impeachment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
On Apr 8, 2006, at 9:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The man who takes every opportunity to hit the TMO for weird and crazy things and here you are defending probably one of the weirdest cults of them all: one that chooses its leader based on some sort of fairy tale about reincarnation! hahahahahahahahahaha. Shemp, did you have something strange to eat before you wrote this? This is an odd reaction to the Dalai Lama and to a whole tradition that also uses the Vedas. Vedic traditions sound pretty wild, too, to most people - things like performing fire cermonies so that that energies coming from planets to your very own physiology will be deflected or enhanced. The issue, Shemp, is that you're laughing at a group of people who have more knowledge than you do about a certain subject -- death, dying, and reincarnation. And you're laughing at them and trying to put them down, when what a *smart* seeker would be doing is trying to figure out what they know, and whether it might be useful. snip I guess my point is that when it comes to the process of death, dying, and rebirth, you are *not* likely to find out anything of worth by studying with anyone from an Indian/Hindu background. Whereas, if that is one your interests, you *are* likely to find out a little of how it all works by studying with a tradition that has delved into this subject for thousands of years, with some success. That is, Tibetan Buddhists. They've got a clue, in my opinion. In my opinion, NO ONE I've *ever* encountered from an Indian/Hindu-based tradition does. They are basically *clueless* as to what happens when they die, and often as fearful of dying as the man on the street.And to be even more in your face, death is going to happen -- to YOU -- far sooner than you want it to. You personally are going to DIE within twenty years, and probably closer to ten. You're going to be lying on your deathbed, still knowing as little about what lies in front of you when your body breathes its last breath as you do today. You'll be about to dive into an experience that is as much a mystery for you as it was the day you were born. Whereas a lot of people who have actually studied with the tradition you like to make fun of (Tibetan Buddhism) will just be getting ready to perform a series of meditational exercises that they've been preparing for their whole lives. Vaj wrote: Another thing Shemp might want to consider is that the Tibetan diaspora was actually a blessing for this planet, rather than a curse. But that would entail seeing the big picture. Nice point about the Tibetan diaspora! Re death and dying, I have found Yogananda's books of comfort. I just started his Gita translation/commentary and it seems packed with all sorts of good information. Personally, I would find it comforting to have some trusty steps to perform as death nears. But, I also trust that the process will take care of itself, to a large extent. All this meditating and yoga for all these years, trying to live a good life while having some fun, caring for family. I am counting on a compassionate universe to include me and frankly everyone in the normal flow of transition. I don't think we all have to feel responsible for learing how to manage each stage of life. The analogy that comes to mind is the fundy Christian idea that ONLY thru belief in Jesus can a person be saved. But what about those who never heard of Jesus? Same with death. Such a fundamental experience cannot possibly REQUIRE special training available in one part of the world. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Death, Dying, and Reincarnation (was Re: The four classes)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 9:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Did you notice, only a few days ago, how *quickly* the subject of death, dying and reincaration *DIED* here on FFL? The subject came up, a few TMers posted the few rumors that they'd heard about the subject from within the TM movement or from other Indian sources, and a couple of people posted a few more tangible things they'd learned from the Tibetan teachers with whom they'd actually studied. And within a day the subject was no more. Over. Fini. Ignored as if it had never happened. Really typical of FFL--esp. since the alt.tm.med diaspora-- since before there wasn't groups of obsessive posters redirecting the conversation back to you know what. Fill a list with one liners and Mrs.-Spock-who-learned-TM and there ain't room for much else. But that's the way fundies are I guess... :-) Smiling, but I'm going to have to disagree with you on this particular subject -- death, dying and the reincarnation process. I agree with you that there *IS* a concerted effort on Fairfield Life by the former denizens of alt.meditation.transcendental to bring down the general level of discussion, and lure people into focusing on argumentation, intel- lectual bullshit (as opposed to direct experience), and nitpicking over words. They did it successfully on a.m.t., and they're well on the way to doing it successfully here. HOWEVER, on this particular subject I didn't find that particular group of people any more manipu- lative than usual or any more involved in the thread and in killing it than anyone else. The thread died from an *active* lack of interest in the subject. I think that the subject of death, dying, and rein- carnation died here so quickly because it brought up the REALITY of death, dying, and reincarnation. A *lot* of people are very, very, very uncomfortable with this subject. They're SO uncomfortable with the subject that they'd like it to just GO AWAY, and not be discussed at all. I see this aversion to the subject of death on a *lot* of spiritual forums, not just those related to TM, and not just those who have the polarized mindset we used to see on a.m.t. and are now seeing on FFL. Death and dying are nearly *universal* subjects that people -- even people who have pursued a lifelong spiritual path -- would like to make GO AWAY. If you don't talk about it, you don't have to deal with the fact that it's going to happen, and to you, and sooner than you'd like. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re death and dying, I have found Yogananda's books of comfort. I just started his Gita translation/commentary and it seems packed with all sorts of good information. Haven't looked at it in decades. Thanks for the tip; I'll check it out. Personally, I would find it comforting to have some trusty steps to perform as death nears. But, I also trust that the process will take care of itself, to a large extent. All this meditating and yoga for all these years, trying to live a good life while having some fun, caring for family. I am counting on a compassionate universe to include me and frankly everyone in the normal flow of transition. You've just *nailed* the difference between the Hindu approach to dying and the Tibetan Buddhist approach to dying. That is, underlying the Hindu approach to dying is an assumption that the universe is sentient, is compassionate, and that it has the ability to act on that compassion with regard to the living and the dying. In the Hindu cosmology, the basic concept is that the universe really runs the show when it comes to how and as what one will reincarnate. The Tibetan Buddhist approach is more based on free will. As a seeker, you are responsible for your own enlightenment, or for the realization thereof. If you believe that the universe is really running everything and you don't have all that much to say in how and where and as what you incarnate next, where is the impetus to study the mechanics of death, dying, and reincarnation? You just die and hope for the best. :-) On the other hand, if you firmly believe that there are things that you *can* do to further your own evolution and find a cool next incarnation in which *to* further it, then you might tend to study death, dying, and reincarnation rather thoroughly indeed. That seems to be what the Tibetan Buddhists did. Different strokes for different folks, that's all. I don't think we all have to feel responsible for learing how to manage each stage of life. Nope. But for those who are interested, there is a wealth of valuable information available. Whether you are interested in that information or not probably has a lot to do with how much of a hand you believe you have with regard to your own evo- lution, and with regard to how much you think is *out* of your hands. The analogy that comes to mind is the fundy Christian idea that ONLY thru belief in Jesus can a person be saved. But what about those who never heard of Jesus? Same with death. Such a fundamental experience cannot possibly REQUIRE special training available in one part of the world. Did you hear anyone say it did? It's a matter of predilection. You can dive into the Bardo and just hope for the best, allowing the universe to do everything for you. And it will. The universe is good about that. Other people with other predilections might want to get more involved, and have more of a say in where they're going next, and as what. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 9:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The man who takes every opportunity to hit the TMO for weird and crazy things and here you are defending probably one of the weirdest cults of them all: one that chooses its leader based on some sort of fairy tale about reincarnation! hahahahahahahahahaha. Shemp, did you have something strange to eat before you wrote this? This is an odd reaction to the Dalai Lama and to a whole tradition that also uses the Vedas. Vedic traditions sound pretty wild, too, to most people - things like performing fire cermonies so that that energies coming from planets to your very own physiology will be deflected or enhanced. I have a sneaking suspicion Shemp doesn't buy into any of this either... snip But, I also trust that the process will take care of itself, to a large extent. All this meditating and yoga for all these years, trying to live a good life while having some fun, caring for family. I am counting on a compassionate universe to include me and frankly everyone in the normal flow of transition. I don't think we all have to feel responsible for learing how to manage each stage of life. *Very* well said. The analogy that comes to mind is the fundy Christian idea that ONLY thru belief in Jesus can a person be saved. But what about those who never heard of Jesus? Same with death. Such a fundamental experience cannot possibly REQUIRE special training available in one part of the world. Sounds awfully elitist, doesn't it? But at least the fundies' doctrine of salvation promises that if you accept Jesus as your savior while you're on earth, you are assured of eternal happiness after you die--relieving you of the need to spend time and effort going through elaborate training for death, when you could be living your life to the fullest while you still *have* it. Tibetans are certainly entitled to have their beliefs respected, as are the fundies. But for Tibetan beliefs to be used as an excuse to heap scorn on others, by someone who isn't even Tibetan, strikes me as very likely incompatible with what devout Tibetans would find acceptable. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: Re death and dying, I have found Yogananda's books of comfort. I just started his Gita translation/commentary and it seems packed with all sorts of good information. Haven't looked at it in decades. Thanks for the tip; I'll check it out. The Gita commentary by Yogananda that I have is a 2 volume set that was published only recently. Don't know if it is different than any decades old volume you might have. Personally, I would find it comforting to have some large extent. All this meditating and yoga for all these years, trying to live a good life while having some fun, caring for family. I am counting on a compassionate universe to include me and frankly everyone in the normal flow of transition. You've just *nailed* the difference between the Hindu approach to dying and the Tibetan Buddhist approach to dying. That is, underlying the Hindu approach to dying is an assumption that the universe is sentient, is compassionate, and that it has the ability to act on that compassion with regard to the living and the dying. In the Hindu cosmology, the basic concept is that the universe really runs the show when it comes to how and as what one will reincarnate. The Tibetan Buddhist approach is more based on free will. As a seeker, you are responsible for your own enlightenment, or for the realization thereof. If you believe that the universe is really running everything and you don't have all that much to say in how and where and as what you incarnate next, where is the impetus to study the mechanics of death, dying, and reincarnation? You just die and hope for the best. :-) On the other hand, if you firmly believe that there are things that you *can* do to further your own evolution and find a cool next incarnation in which *to* further it, then you might tend to study death, dying, and reincarnation rather thoroughly indeed. That seems to be what the Tibetan Buddhists did. Different strokes for different folks, that's all. I don't think we all have to feel responsible for learing how to manage each stage of life. Nope. But for those who are interested, there is a wealth of valuable information available. Whether you are interested in that information or not probably has a lot to do with how much of a hand you believe you have with regard to your own evo- lution, and with regard to how much you think is *out* of your hands. I do think things here in the unviverse, including me, run on autopilot and that the sense that I have free will is an illusion. This is based on TM meditation - related experiences I have had, so I feel pretty convinced of this (while also recognizing that first, I probably have only experienced a tiny piece of the BIG picture, and second, the meditation technique that gives rise to this may do just that by changing the brain in specific ways related to the technique, but that is another discussion) Nevertheless, since most of the time I have the sensation/illusion that I am controlling my life, I have no choice but to keep on exerting my will and seeking! And if in the midst of this world I DO have some free will, I am betting it has to do with evolution and related choices. So, I am curious. Is there some reading you could recommend? Can't get to Dharamsala in person for at least a few years! snip To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Death, Dying, and Reincarnation (was Re: The four classes)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I see this aversion to the subject of death on a *lot* of spiritual forums, not just those related to TM, and not just those who have the polarized mindset we used to see on a.m.t. and are now seeing on FFL. Barry appears to have forgotten that there have been *extensive* discussions of death, dying, and reincarnation on alt.m.t, with many very active participants, including at least one of those who is here on FFL now (moi). He has even forgotten that he and I have had more than one meaty exchange about death over the years on that newsgroup. Given Barry's penchant for forgetting things that have happened in the past, one can only hope he remembers all his death-and-dying training when he finally croaks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: Re death and dying, I have found Yogananda's books of comfort. I just started his Gita translation/commentary and it seems packed with all sorts of good information. Haven't looked at it in decades. Thanks for the tip; I'll check it out. The Gita commentary by Yogananda that I have is a 2 volume set that was published only recently. Don't know if it is different than any decades old volume you might have. I don't know either. The one I had (and sadly no longer have) was a clearly printed-in-India 2-volume set bought at the SRF Temple in Encinitas back in the late 60s. The new books you refer to could be the same or different; I don't know. Personally, I would find it comforting to have some large extent. All this meditating and yoga for all these years, trying to live a good life while having some fun, caring for family. I am counting on a compassionate universe to include me and frankly everyone in the normal flow of transition. You've just *nailed* the difference between the Hindu approach to dying and the Tibetan Buddhist approach to dying. That is, underlying the Hindu approach to dying is an assumption that the universe is sentient, is compassionate, and that it has the ability to act on that compassion with regard to the living and the dying. In the Hindu cosmology, the basic concept is that the universe really runs the show when it comes to how and as what one will reincarnate. The Tibetan Buddhist approach is more based on free will. As a seeker, you are responsible for your own enlightenment, or for the realization thereof. If you believe that the universe is really running everything and you don't have all that much to say in how and where and as what you incarnate next, where is the impetus to study the mechanics of death, dying, and reincarnation? You just die and hope for the best. :-) On the other hand, if you firmly believe that there are things that you *can* do to further your own evolution and find a cool next incarnation in which *to* further it, then you might tend to study death, dying, and reincarnation rather thoroughly indeed. That seems to be what the Tibetan Buddhists did. Different strokes for different folks, that's all. I don't think we all have to feel responsible for learing how to manage each stage of life. Nope. But for those who are interested, there is a wealth of valuable information available. Whether you are interested in that information or not probably has a lot to do with how much of a hand you believe you have with regard to your own evo- lution, and with regard to how much you think is *out* of your hands. I do think things here in the unviverse, including me, run on autopilot and that the sense that I have free will is an illusion. That's what I got from what you said. No *problem* with this, by the way...it's just that I don't happen to believe that myself. This is based on TM meditation - related experiences I have had, so I feel pretty convinced of this (while also recognizing that first, I probably have only experienced a tiny piece of the BIG picture, and second, the meditation technique that gives rise to this may do just that by changing the brain in specific ways related to the technique, but that is another discussion) Nevertheless, since most of the time I have the sensation/illusion that I am controlling my life, I have no choice but to keep on exerting my will and seeking! All I'm talking about is continuing to do so *after* you die, as you transit from this life to the next. And if in the midst of this world I DO have some free will, I am betting it has to do with evolution and related choices. Well, I'd be more willing to say that it was because free will is the essential nature of the universe. But it's Ok to disagree on this, of course. :-) So, I am curious. Is there some reading you could recommend? Can't get to Dharamsala in person for at least a few years! Me, either. Get to Dharamsala, that is. I'm not even sure I'd want to go. I think that the book I recommended to Shemp a couple of posts ago is pretty good. The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying. I think that's a very well-written overview of the strange way that Tibetans look at death, dying and the reincarnation process. Caveat: I do NOT know that any of this shit is true. It *feels* true to me, based on my own subjective experiences of having remembered the process of dying and being reborn when working with a couple of Phowa teachers. But that might just be an illusion. In other words, your mileage may vary. Yahoo! Groups
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: snip I don't think we all have to feel responsible for learing how to manage each stage of life. Nope. But for those who are interested, there is a wealth of valuable information available. Whether you are interested in that information or not probably has a lot to do with how much of a hand you believe you have with regard to your own evo- lution, and with regard to how much you think is *out* of your hands. Exactly. Those who think they're doing their best to make the most of their lives are likely to feel fairly confident that if there is an afterlife, they'll have earned a good spot in it through their own efforts. They'll see no need to prepare for death in any way other than by living well. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] It's been nice knowing you all
Here's the link to the article in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact Here's a summation of the article from (http://tinyurl.com/zmw6u) US considers use of nuclear weapons against Iran Sat Apr 8, 2:24 AM ET The administration of President George W. Bush is planning a massive bombing campaign against Iran, including use of bunker-buster nuclear bombs to destroy a key Iranian suspected nuclear weapons facility, The New Yorker magazine has reported in its April 17 issue. The article by investigative journalist Seymour Hersh said that Bush and others in the White House have come to view Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as a potential Adolf Hitler. That's the name they're using, the report quoted a former senior intelligence official as saying. A senior unnamed Pentagon adviser is quoted in the article as saying that this White House believes that the only way to solve the problem is to change the power structure in Iran, and that means war. The former intelligence officials depicts planning as enormous, hectic and operational, Hersh writes. One former defense official said the military planning was premised on a belief that a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government, The New Yorker pointed out. In recent weeks, the president has quietly initiated a series of talks on plans for Iran with a few key senators and members of the House of Representatives, including at least one Democrat, the report said. One of the options under consideration involves the possible use of a bunker-buster tactical nuclear weapon, such as the B61-11, to insure the destruction of Iran's main centrifuge plant at Natanz, Hersh writes. But the former senior intelligence official said the attention given to the nuclear option has created serious misgivings inside the military, and some officers have talked about resigning after an attempt to remove the nuclear option from the evolving war plans in Iran failed, according to the report. There are very strong sentiments within the military against brandishing nuclear weapons against other countries, the magazine quotes the Pentagon adviser as saying. The adviser warned that bombing Iran could provoke a chain reaction of attacks on American facilities and citizens throughout the world and might also reignite Hezbollah. If we go, the southern half of Iraq will light up like a candle, the adviser is quoted as telling The New Yorker. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all
Nicely titled thread. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip to One former defense official said the military planning was premised on a belief that a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government, The New Yorker pointed out. My gawd...are these people *really* that out of it? The US tried this in Vietnam, and Cambodia, and Iraq, and Afghanistan, and Iraq again. And look at how strong the revolutionary movements were, and are, in each of these places. These people *can't* actually believe that this theory -- which they spout in public -- is true, after all these decades of proof to the contrary. The only thing I can figure out is that they are so committed to supporting the war machine and the military- industrial complex that they don't even *care* if their bombing has a purpose or if it achieves an objective. All that's important is to keep bombing. The more they explode, the more need to be built. That's as far ahead as these people think. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all
On Apr 8, 2006, at 1:26 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: Nicely titled thread. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip to One former defense official said the military planning was premised on a belief that a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government, The New Yorker pointed out. My gawd...are these people *really* that out of it? The US tried this in Vietnam, and Cambodia, and Iraq, and Afghanistan, and Iraq again. And look at how strong the revolutionary movements were, and are, in each of these places. These people *can't* actually believe that this theory -- which they spout in public -- is true, after all these decades of proof to the contrary. The only thing I can figure out is that they are so committed to supporting the war machine and the military- industrial complex that they don't even *care* if their bombing has a purpose or if it achieves an objective. All that's important is to keep bombing. The more they explode, the more need to be built. That's as far ahead as these people think. I have the suspicion they'll do what Israel did in Iraq--just go in and decimate the nuclear facilities. However they may need nuclear armament to do so. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: I do think things here in the unviverse, including me, run on autopilot and that the sense that I have free will is an illusion. That's what I got from what you said. No *problem* with this, by the way...it's just that I don't happen to believe that myself. This is based on TM meditation - related experiences I have had, so I feel pretty convinced of this (while also recognizing that first, I probably have only experienced a tiny piece of the BIG picture, and second, the meditation technique that gives rise to this may do just that by changing the brain in specific ways related to the technique, but that is another discussion) Nevertheless, since most of the time I have the sensation/illusion that I am controlling my life, I have no choice but to keep on exerting my will and seeking! All I'm talking about is continuing to do so *after* you die, as you transit from this life to the next. And if in the midst of this world I DO have some free will, I am betting it has to do with evolution and related choices. Well, I'd be more willing to say that it was because free will is the essential nature of the universe. But it's Ok to disagree on this, of course. :-) So, I am curious. Is there some reading you could recommend? Can't get to Dharamsala in person for at least a few years! Me, either. Get to Dharamsala, that is. I'm not even sure I'd want to go. I think that the book I recommended to Shemp a couple of posts ago is pretty good. The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying. I think that's a very well-written overview of the strange way that Tibetans look at death, dying and the reincarnation process. Caveat: I do NOT know that any of this shit is true. It *feels* true to me, based on my own subjective experiences of having remembered the process of dying and being reborn when working with a couple of Phowa teachers. But that might just be an illusion. In other words, your mileage may vary. Barry, turns out I have that very book on my bedside table, got it in December and I have been eyeing it ever since while I indulge in novels (Embers by Marai and Saturday by McEwan are good). The whole death and dying thing looks awfully complicated. Regarding the idea of free will, I would agree with you entirely except for experiences I have had (and sadly have not had iin quite some time). The few experiences I have had, and I know many many others have too and have written books about etc etc, are unmistakable. Life all happens, just happens and unfolds - kind of like a plant grows without any planning, so does a human act and think and feel. My understanding is that even brain research is beginning to suggest that our volitional actions actually got triggered before we have had time to feel or ponder or choose. This is all irrelevant until the experience occurs, but it is a real relief to experience, and the shock of all shocks, let me tell you. Perhaps just a distorted brain state, although I don't think so. But I agree with you that this appears to be a fundamental difference between Bhuddists and Hindus and goes beyond just using different words. I am all in favor of Bhuddism and all the compassion and good works and honesty that it encourages. I am a Hindu type, tho. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] [was Re: The four classes] so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: Re death and dying, I have found Yogananda's books of comfort. I just started his Gita translation/commentary and it seems packed with all sorts of good information. Haven't looked at it in decades. Thanks for the tip; I'll check it out. The Gita commentary by Yogananda that I have is a 2 volume set that was published only recently. Don't know if it is different than any decades old volume you might have. I don't know either. The one I had (and sadly no longer have) was a clearly printed-in-India 2-volume set bought at the SRF Temple in Encinitas back in the late 60s. The new books you refer to could be the same or different; I don't know. Personally, I would find it comforting to have some large extent. All this meditating and yoga for all these years, trying to live a good life while having some fun, caring for family. I am counting on a compassionate universe to include me and frankly everyone in the normal flow of transition. You've just *nailed* the difference between the Hindu approach to dying and the Tibetan Buddhist approach to dying. That is, underlying the Hindu approach to dying is an assumption that the universe is sentient, is compassionate, and that it has the ability to act on that compassion with regard to the living and the dying. In the Hindu cosmology, the basic concept is that the universe really runs the show when it comes to how and as what one will reincarnate. The Tibetan Buddhist approach is more based on free will. As a seeker, you are responsible for your own enlightenment, or for the realization thereof. If you believe that the universe is really running everything and you don't have all that much to say in how and where and as what you incarnate next, where is the impetus to study the mechanics of death, dying, and reincarnation? You just die and hope for the best. :-) On the other hand, if you firmly believe that there are things that you *can* do to further your own evolution and find a cool next incarnation in which *to* further it, then you might tend to study death, dying, and reincarnation rather thoroughly indeed. That seems to be what the Tibetan Buddhists did. Different strokes for different folks, that's all. I don't think we all have to feel responsible for learing how to manage each stage of life. Nope. But for those who are interested, there is a wealth of valuable information available. Whether you are interested in that information or not probably has a lot to do with how much of a hand you believe you have with regard to your own evo- lution, and with regard to how much you think is *out* of your hands. I do think things here in the unviverse, including me, run on autopilot and that the sense that I have free will is an illusion. That's what I got from what you said. No *problem* with this, by the way...it's just that I don't happen to believe that myself. This is based on TM meditation - related experiences I have had, so I feel pretty convinced of this (while also recognizing that first, I probably have only experienced a tiny piece of the BIG picture, and second, the meditation technique that gives rise to this may do just that by changing the brain in specific ways related to the technique, but that is another discussion) Nevertheless, since most of the time I have the sensation/illusion that I am controlling my life, I have no choice but to keep on exerting my will and seeking! All I'm talking about is continuing to do so *after* you die, as you transit from this life to the next. And if in the midst of this world I DO have some free will, I am betting it has to do with evolution and related choices. Well, I'd be more willing to say that it was because free will is the essential nature of the universe. But it's Ok to disagree on this, of course. :-) So, I am curious. Is there some reading you could recommend? Can't get to Dharamsala in person for at least a few years! Me, either. Get to Dharamsala, that is. I'm not even sure I'd want to go. I think that the book I recommended to Shemp a couple of posts ago is pretty good. The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying. I think that's a very well-written overview of the strange way that Tibetans look at death, dying and the reincarnation process. Caveat: I do NOT know that any of this shit is true. It *feels* true to me, based on my own subjective experiences of having remembered the process of dying and
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I think that the book I recommended to Shemp a couple of posts ago is pretty good. The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying. I think that's a very well-written overview of the strange way that Tibetans look at death, dying and the reincarnation process. Barry, turns out I have that very book on my bedside table, got it in December and I have been eyeing it ever since while I indulge in novels (Embers by Marai and Saturday by McEwan are good). Cool. Synchronicity. That's how that book happened for me, too. I bought it, put it on a shelf, and didn't get around to reading it until years later. The whole death and dying thing looks awfully complicated. Quite possibly. Just diving into it and trusting in the will of God or whatever is definitely easier. :-) Regarding the idea of free will, I would agree with you entirely except for experiences I have had (and sadly have not had iin quite some time). The few experiences I have had, and I know many many others have too and have written books about etc etc, are unmistakable. Life all happens, just happens and unfolds - kind of like a plant grows without any planning, so does a human act and think and feel. I've had those experiences, too. I think the difference is that I do not consider them any different than any *other* experience I've ever had. In other words, the state of attention in which one is not the doer has no more importance or weight for me than any other. It's Just Another Fleeting State Of Attention. My understanding is that even brain research is beginning to suggest that our volitional actions actually got triggered before we have had time to feel or ponder or choose. This is all irrelevant until the experience occurs, but it is a real relief to experience, and the shock of all shocks, let me tell you. I think the keyword here might be in your use of the word 'relief.' IMO, some people are actively *searching* for experiences that prove to them that they are not in control, and that something bigger and greater than they are *is* in control. So (also IMO), when they have the particular fleeting experience of not the doer, they tend to interpret that experience as an ultimate experience, a glimpse of some ultimate truth. I don't see it that way. I treat such experiences, interesting as they may be, just like any other experience. They come, they go...NONE of them is any more advanced or higher than the other. Perhaps just a distorted brain state, although I don't think so. But I agree with you that this appears to be a fundamental difference between Bhuddists and Hindus and goes beyond just using different words. *Incredibly* fundamental difference. I am all in favor of Bhuddism and all the compassion and good works and honesty that it encourages. I am a Hindu type, tho. Cool. I wish you well on that path. I'm definitely more of a Buddhist. May we all get to the same party location at some point, and get to sit down over a few margaritas and talk about the incredibly different routes we all took to get there. :-) :-) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I think that the book I recommended to Shemp a couple of posts ago is pretty good. The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying. I think that's a very well-written overview of the strange way that Tibetans look at death, dying and the reincarnation process. Barry, turns out I have that very book on my bedside table, got it in December and I have been eyeing it ever since while I indulge in novels (Embers by Marai and Saturday by McEwan are good). Cool. Synchronicity. That's how that book happened for me, too. I bought it, put it on a shelf, and didn't get around to reading it until years later. The whole death and dying thing looks awfully complicated. Quite possibly. Just diving into it and trusting in the will of God or whatever is definitely easier. :-) Regarding the idea of free will, I would agree with you entirely except for experiences I have had (and sadly have not had iin quite some time). The few experiences I have had, and I know many many others have too and have written books about etc etc, are unmistakable. Life all happens, just happens and unfolds - kind of like a plant grows without any planning, so does a human act and think and feel. I've had those experiences, too. I think the difference is that I do not consider them any different than any *other* experience I've ever had. In other words, the state of attention in which one is not the doer has no more importance or weight for me than any other. It's Just Another Fleeting State Of Attention. My understanding is that even brain research is beginning to suggest that our volitional actions actually got triggered before we have had time to feel or ponder or choose. This is all irrelevant until the experience occurs, but it is a real relief to experience, and the shock of all shocks, let me tell you. I think the keyword here might be in your use of the word 'relief.' IMO, some people are actively *searching* for experiences that prove to them that they are not in control, and that something bigger and greater than they are *is* in control. So (also IMO), when they have the particular fleeting experience of not the doer, they tend to interpret that experience as an ultimate experience, a glimpse of some ultimate truth. I don't see it that way. I treat such experiences, interesting as they may be, just like any other experience. They come, they go...NONE of them is any more advanced or higher than the other. Perhaps just a distorted brain state, although I don't think so. But I agree with you that this appears to be a fundamental difference between Bhuddists and Hindus and goes beyond just using different words. *Incredibly* fundamental difference. I am all in favor of Bhuddism and all the compassion and good works and honesty that it encourages. I am a Hindu type, tho. Cool. I wish you well on that path. I'm definitely more of a Buddhist. May we all get to the same party location at some point, and get to sit down over a few margaritas and talk about the incredibly different routes we all took to get there. :-) :-) :-) One word: Anejo. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] [was Re: The four classes] so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the difference between so called life and so called death? Point of view. :-) We don't go away- our essential nature, our consciousness remains, so what difference is it if the consciousness is in the living room or the dining room or the bedroom? Is it fair or accurate to say we have *died* when we move from room to room? Yes, if the point of view from which we are being perceived is outside of ourselves. That is, if some point of view outside ourselves sees us transiting from room to room, then we are...*from* that POV. From our own, there is no break of consciousness, absolutely no change from the moment of body breathing and body not breathing, of leaving one room and moving into another. If I go from the living room to the dining room and someone says 'where's Jim?', do we say, 'oh he went into the dining room; he's dead'...? If one still believes in rooms one does. :-) It is like that old phrase about enlightenment, you know, the one about chopping wood and carrying water, both before and after. Same deal, dead or alive -- no difference--. Exactly. No difference whatsoever. If one can maintain an unbroken stream of consciousness from lifetime to lifetime, there *IS* an unbroken stream of consciousness from lifetime to lifetime. Death is just the word to mean the physical body dies. Has little to do with the real Us on our eternal journey. No worries, mate. Absofuckinglutely. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Cool. I wish you well on that path. I'm definitely more of a Buddhist. May we all get to the same party location at some point, and get to sit down over a few margaritas and talk about the incredibly different routes we all took to get there. :-) :-) :-) One word: Anejo. Nine words: Single-village mescal, made from wild (not-cultivated) agave. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] re: so called 'death'
On Apr 8, 2006, at 1:50 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: What is the difference between so called life and so called death? We don't go away- our essential nature, our consciousness remains, so what difference is it if the consciousness is in the living room or the dining room or the bedroom? Is it fair or accurate to say we have *died* when we move from room to room? If I go from the living room to the dining room and someone says 'where's Jim?', do we say, 'oh he went into the dining room; he's dead'...? It is like that old phrase about enlightenment, you know, the one about chopping wood and carrying water, both before and after. Same deal, dead or alive --no difference--. Death is just the word to mean the physical body dies. Has little to do with the real Us on our eternal journey. No worries, mate. When I was doing my bardo retreat, we were supposed to sit with the vajra master as a group after each level of the practice and discuss experiences and get all questions answered. These were all advanced meditators with a lot of experience under their belts. And for some of them, when they consciously died it was quite overwhelming and not easy by any means. In several of the people all of the lokas arose at once--that means the lower dimensions as well as the higher and they would enter into them. The problem arises when people get *stuck* there. And it does happen to even the most advanced practitioners--sometimes hours, days, months or years. It's not only an extremely stable condition once you leave the body, but these are your own patterns, so they're very easy to be seduced by. If we hadn't received instructions on how to handle certain situations, I wonder if some would ever come back. Most people when they experience the dawning of the Clear Light, their awareness will simply faint. A week later they figure out they're dead when they start spontaneously mentally travelling. Some people won't even get this and swoon again. Through the bardo retreat, one is approaching an experience of space that is utterly beyond any interference or involvement by the human person, completely unorganized and undomesticated in any sense. It is totally naked, free-form, and unconditioned. It is naked because it contains not even the most subtle dualistic filter of subject and object. It is free-form because there are no concepts or categories to provide shape or interpretation. And it is unconditioned because it stands alone, not based on causes and conditions or leading to results, simply as it is, without any reference to past or future. It is outside of time. This description suggests the danger to the meditator. Out of the anxiety of the free-fall of the retreat, one may seek ground in what arises, becoming fascinated by the colored figures, the mental imagery, and the visions that one sees, and begin to fixate, magnify, and indulge in them. According to Tibetan tradition, this kind of fascination can lead to the withdrawal from reality mentioned above. In this case, one mentally creates a world of one's own and physically enters into a state of suspended animation in which one remains for years, decades, or even centuries. from Secret of the Vajra World Tenzin Wangyal, who carried out a bardo retreat in the Bon context, provides the following illuminating comments: I had heard stories and jokes about the problems people encountered while doing dark retreat, in which practitioners had visions they were sure were real. . . . In everyday life, external appearances deflect us from our thoughts, but in the dark retreat, there are no diversions of this kind, so that it becomes much easier to be disturbed, even to the point of madness, by our own mind-created visions. In the dark retreat, there is a situation of sensory deprivation, so that when thoughts or visions arise in the absence of external reality testing devices, we take them to be true and follow them, basing entire other chains of thoughts on them. In this case it is very easy to become `submerged' in our own mind-created fantasies, entirely convinced of their reality. Until we try it and experience it, you never know. You've never seen everything. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 1:50 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: What is the difference between so called life and so called death? We don't go away- our essential nature, our consciousness remains, so what difference is it if the consciousness is in the living room or the dining room or the bedroom? Is it fair or accurate to say we have *died* when we move from room to room? If I go from the living room to the dining room and someone says 'where's Jim?', do we say, 'oh he went into the dining room; he's dead'...? It is like that old phrase about enlightenment, you know, the one about chopping wood and carrying water, both before and after. Same deal, dead or alive --no difference--. Death is just the word to mean the physical body dies. Has little to do with the real Us on our eternal journey. No worries, mate. When I was doing my bardo retreat, we were supposed to sit with the vajra master as a group after each level of the practice and discuss experiences and get all questions answered. These were all advanced meditators with a lot of experience under their belts. And for some of them, when they consciously died it was quite overwhelming and not easy by any means. In several of the people all of the lokas arose at once--that means the lower dimensions as well as the higher and they would enter into them. The problem arises when people get *stuck* there. And it does happen to even the most advanced practitioners--sometimes hours, days, months or years. It's not only an extremely stable condition once you leave the body, but these are your own patterns, so they're very easy to be seduced by. If we hadn't received instructions on how to handle certain situations, I wonder if some would ever come back. Most people when they experience the dawning of the Clear Light, their awareness will simply faint. A week later they figure out they're dead when they start spontaneously mentally travelling. Some people won't even get this and swoon again. Through the bardo retreat, one is approaching an experience of space that is utterly beyond any interference or involvement by the human person, completely unorganized and undomesticated in any sense. It is totally naked, free-form, and unconditioned. It is naked because it contains not even the most subtle dualistic filter of subject and object. It is free-form because there are no concepts or categories to provide shape or interpretation. And it is unconditioned because it stands alone, not based on causes and conditions or leading to results, simply as it is, without any reference to past or future. It is outside of time. This description suggests the danger to the meditator. Out of the anxiety of the free-fall of the retreat, one may seek ground in what arises, becoming fascinated by the colored figures, the mental imagery, and the visions that one sees, and begin to fixate, magnify, and indulge in them. According to Tibetan tradition, this kind of fascination can lead to the withdrawal from reality mentioned above. In this case, one mentally creates a world of one's own and physically enters into a state of suspended animation in which one remains for years, decades, or even centuries. from Secret of the Vajra World Tenzin Wangyal, who carried out a bardo retreat in the Bon context, provides the following illuminating comments: I had heard stories and jokes about the problems people encountered while doing dark retreat, in which practitioners had visions they were sure were real. . . . In everyday life, external appearances deflect us from our thoughts, but in the dark retreat, there are no diversions of this kind, so that it becomes much easier to be disturbed, even to the point of madness, by our own mind-created visions. In the dark retreat, there is a situation of sensory deprivation, so that when thoughts or visions arise in the absence of external reality testing devices, we take them to be true and follow them, basing entire other chains of thoughts on them. In this case it is very easy to become `submerged' in our own mind- created fantasies, entirely convinced of their reality. Until we try it and experience it, you never know. You've never seen everything. :-) Yep- that all makes sense. The one thing we should establish in this life is groundedness, centeredness, identification with the Self, the cosmos, Brahman. Just makes the rest of it manageable, and much more interesting. Otherwise we just as you say, tumble around with our minds closed, even to our selves! Life or death, get centered. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
In a message dated 4/8/06 10:18:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well DeLay is about to go, so wait for the Dems to win back the House, impeach Cheney, then impeach Bush, then hope the current minority leader can do better. Nancy Pelosi as President? OMG! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
On Apr 8, 2006, at 2:19 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Yep- that all makes sense. The one thing we should establish in this life is groundedness, centeredness, identification with the Self, the cosmos, Brahman. Just makes the rest of it manageable, and much more interesting. Otherwise we just as you say, tumble around with our minds closed, even to our selves! Life or death, get centered. That's exactly one of the points of my post, there is no center. You are truly beyond space and time. There are no reference points, no referentiality. Part of the terror of doing a retreat in total darkness--and in some parts of the Shank. trad. they do an 11 month dark retreat--is when you do come back to the body there's still no reference points. No inside or outside, the vase has shattered. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] It's been nice knowing you all
In a message dated 4/8/06 12:15:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here's the link to the article in the New Yorker:http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_factHere's a summation of the article from (http://tinyurl.com/zmw6u)US considers use of nuclear weapons against Iran The Pentagon continuously draws up plans for all kinds of scenarios that might involve the United States militaryfrom hostage rescue situations all the way up to all out nuclear war. We probably even have plans to invade Great Britain on the shelves some place. It doesn't mean any particular plan will be used. However it is likely that Iran is going to get hit in the near future.I kind of wonder what Saddam Hussien would be doing now had Iraq not been invaded. With Iran working on nukes and delivery systems, you think he might feel threatened and justified with pushing his own nuclear program? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
I smell it. Within the next 6 months, MMY will announce that MUM will be moving to this Kansas town. Anyone agree? Anyone? Anyone? Beuller? Beuller? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kansas to be home to World Capital of Peace Small town finds Yogi's disciples `not so scary' By LAURA BAUER The Kansas City Star One morning last week an article in his county newspaper caught Smith Center, Kan., Mayor Randy Archer off guard. A nonprofit organization had purchased 480 acres of land just outside the north-central Kansas town. And in just a few hours, members would break ground on the World Capital of Peace, a project launched by followers of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and his Transcendental Meditation movement. For some in this town of 1,800, which Archer says has the oldest population in Kansas, worry set in. And as many residents wondered what a World Capital of Peace was, the rumors started. Some people thought this might be a cult, Archer said in a phone interview. And I'm saying to myself, `OK, let's go see what they're about.' I went in blind. What Archer soon discovered: The World Capital of Peace is intended to be a $14 million centerpiece of hundreds of peace palaces across the nation. A palace is planned for the Kansas City area, according to advertisements that have appeared in The Kansas City Star for several weeks. In Fairfield, Iowa, the movement has had a university since the mid-1970s and has sparked an economic surge and business boom in the past two decades. With its declining population and struggling tax base, Smith Center would wholeheartedly welcome a similar surge, county and city officials say. I certainly believe it will bring money to the community, said Charles Sellens, administrative assistant for the Smith County commissioners. I have very positive feelings about them being in the community. The transcendental meditation movement, known as TM, began in India in the 1950s. Celebrity disciples have included the Beatles, comedian Andy Kaufman and actor and director Clint Eastwood. But for many in Smith County, the concept could not have been more foreign. I can say I definitely had reservations, Sellens said. He headed out to the property immediately after he read about the project last week in the Smith County Pioneer. The groundbreaking was set for noon the same day. Sellens was there shaking hands and asking questions by 9:30 a.m. He met a lot of people, many of them Maharishi officials. All were professionals, everything from doctors and lawyers to teachers and engineers. He liked what he saw and heard and went back a couple of hours later for the groundbreaking. There, male officials with the movement wore light or cream-colored suits or robes; the women wore sarongs. Two groups involved in the Smith County project are affiliated with Maharishi. The Global Country of World Peace purchased the land; the U.S. Peace Government will have offices at the facility. Many in Smith County are beginning to understand what the movement and its followers are about. Their commonality seems to be they like this meditation method for dealing with stresses in their life, Sellens said. Archer, who attended the groundbreaking ceremony, is putting his community's fears to rest that it's a certain religion or cult. He calls it a way of life. It's different, the mayor said. But it's not scary. He now estimates that 95 percent of the Smith Center population favors the project. Archer and others say they are glad to have people moving to their area instead of out. In the mid-1990s, Smith Center's population was about 2,500, and now it hovers at 1,800. I think we've got to open our hearts and our minds and not criticize them to start off with, said Bob Rethorst, on the board of directors for the Smith Center Chamber of Commerce. Let's see what they've got. The people's looming question of Why Smith County? had a simple answer. Smith County is a very special place in Kansas, said Kent Boyum, an ecologist and the director of government relations for the Global Country of World Peace. It's the center of the United States. The Smith County center will ultimately have 12 to 15 peace palaces, each consisting of two stories and 12,000 total square feet. Boyum said the buildings would be created in a factory and then brought to Smith Center, where they will be placed on the 480 acres. Organizers hope to have the first building in place within three months. In the end, the goal is to have about 300 full-time residents at the World Capital of Peace, with others coming for retreats. Full-time residents will practice Transcendental Meditation and organic farming, but the area will also be open to tourists, Boyum said. Our intention is to have something very pleasant, he said. There's absolutely no
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
In a message dated 4/8/06 1:55:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I smell it.Within the next 6 months, MMY will announce that MUM will be moving to this Kansas town.Anyone agree? Hmmm he might like to do that, just to teach those townies a lesson. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:15 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Look my source for any info I have on the DL are the movies Seven years in Tibet, Kundun and that Snow Lion documentary. If I've got it wrong, blame Martin Scorcese and Brad Pitt... Or blame someone so stupid and lazy that he bases his bigoted rant against Tibetant Buddhism on the little he's seen in the movies. :-) Are you saying that Martin Scorcese was wrong? No, merely that for cinematic reasons he shortened a month-long process into about three or four minutes of screen time and that you, like many equally-brain- dead, lazy Americans, thought that those three to four minutes portrayed the whole story. :-) Also, that *as* a brain-dead, lazyass, incurious American, you were content to *settle* for the movie version rather than looking into the reality, and exerting a little effort to find out more. :-) I have the effort but not the attention-span. How about the documentary Tibet: Cry of the Snow Lion? If I'm wrong in my analysis, why not tell me where I'm wrong? Well, since you asked...basically I think you're an angry guy who has spent thirty years or so pursuing a spiritual path that has never paid off for him in terms of direct spiritual experience. I meant regarding the Dalai Lama and HIS history, not mine, Barry. Therefore, you are jealous of and want to fuck with those whose paths *have* paid off for them in terms of spiritual experience. You mean the issue that I was addressing? The spiritual experience of 1.5 million Tibetans who died unnecessarily? The rest of the Tibetan culture unnecessary descimated? Yeah, you're right, I'm really jealous. But I'd still like you to tell me where my analysis is wrong (without you having to tell me which books to read to get the answers). Can't you? What gets you off is trying to find things that'll enable you to put down those who have had experiences you have not. In other words, your operating system is Aesopian: sour grapes. You'd rather put down someone else's experiences than do a little work to have your own. :-) I love your use of the :-) which you employ whenever you're criticizing someone and venting your spleen but want to still maintain that I'm a loosy-goosy cool intellectual living in France personae. Why not just be honest and leave out the :-)? That way, when you DO use the :-), it will actually mean something. Read John Avedon's _In Exile From the Land of Snows_. Or, much better, read: The Fourteen Dalai Lamas: A Sacred Legacy of Reincarnation, by Dalai Lama XIV, Glenn H. Mullin, and Valerie Shepherd. This book lists the historical tests that were performed to verify that the kid named as the rein- carnation of the previous Dalai Lama really was. Unlike the movie version, the tests often went on for a month, five or six such tests per day. Failing *any* of them meant that the kid was not the right one. hahahahahahahahaahaha. Dear, dear Barry. I've seen to hit a sore spot. You'd like to think that. But the reality is that, *unlike you*, I've actually *studied* with Tibetan teachers who could *demonstrate* the basis on which they can track beings through their incarnations. I've been there, done that as they did it. It's an utterly fascinating, nigh unto mindblowing experience. You're very special. And yes, it makes *absolutely no sense* to someone who is attached to Western ways of seeing and think- ing, but damn! -- when you are there participating in the process -- damn if it doesn't work. Go figure. The man who takes every opportunity to hit the TMO for weird and crazy things and here you are defending probably one of the weirdest cults of them all: one that chooses its leader based on some sort of fairy tale about reincarnation! hahahahahahahahahaha. Laugh while you can, Monkeyboy. (Trivia question here...who can name the movie that the above quote comes from?) :-) The Adventures of Buckaroo Bonzai across the Eigth Dimension. The issue, Shemp, is that you're laughing at a group of people who have more knowledge than you do about a certain subject -- death, dying, and reincarnation. I totally concede that point to you, Barry, I am totally ignorant of that field. And you're laughing at them and trying to put them down, Actually, I was laughing at you. For the Tibetan Buddhists, I have the utmost respect. For the Dalai Lama, I have a great deal of skepticism. But that is mostly a function of the almost fanatical reverence
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip How about the documentary Tibet: Cry of the Snow Lion? If I'm wrong in my analysis, why not tell me where I'm wrong? Well, since you asked... Note that Barry does not answer the question Shemp asked but substitutes his own question, one that enables him to put Shemp down in his answer. And I am genuinely interested to know where I'm wrong. I've given my sources where I got my info (which you all may very well be looking down your noses at but it still is the same one that 99% of Americans got their info on this subject on). Barry for some reason has a great interest in reincarnation and death and dying. Fine, God bless him but it really is boring to me. Do I believe in reincarnation? Yes. I thought about it for about a week when I was 18, decided that that was the reality of life and haven't much thought about it since. snip They've got a clue, in my opinion. In my opinion, NO ONE I've *ever* encountered from an Indian/Hindu-based tradition does. They are basically *clueless* as to what happens when they die, and often as fearful of dying as the man on the street. (Just look at Maharishi hiding in his sterile room, afraid to even interact with other human beings...is this how some- one who is 'established in Brahman' or even unafraid of death would act?) Quite possibly, if he felt it was important for him to stay alive as long as possible to complete a crucial task. Fear of death is far from the only reason to postpone it as long as possible. Some might even *prefer* to die rather than hang around but feel a sense of obligation to complete unfinished business. And to be even more in your face, death is going to happen -- to YOU -- far sooner than you want it to. You personally are going to DIE within twenty years, and probably closer to ten. Shemp is going to die in his early 60s or 70s? And you know this how? You're going to be lying on your deathbed, still knowing as little about what lies in front of you when your body breathes its last breath as you do today. You'll be about to dive into an experience that is as much a mystery for you as it was the day you were born. Whereas a lot of people who have actually studied with the tradition you like to make fun of (Tibetan Buddhism) will just be getting ready to perform a series of meditational exercises that they've been preparing for their whole lives. Or one might be of the opinion that some people are so afraid of mystery and the unknown that they spend significant portions of their lives absorbing others' speculations about the mystery and convincing themselves they have the definitive map to it, as well as putting out a great deal of effort in exercises these same folks have told them will make the mystery less scary when they have to face it. snip I'm just sayin', Shemp...that the time before you die might be better spent figuring out what dying is all about than it would be trashing the only people on the planet who seem to be able to *teach* you what dying is all about. Some may feel that the time before you die should be spent in living that time fully, rather than becoming preoccupied with what might happen after it. It seems to me that the people who are *most* afraid to die are those who spend inordinate amounts of time trying to prepare themselves for it. ...or reading and writing about it, especially when it isn't even the subject at hand. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 8:48 AM, feste37 wrote: It's hard to know why this Bush guy is still standing. What does he have to do to get impeached? Have sex in the Oval Office with someone other than his wife, while being a Democrat, or both? No, he has to have sex and miss when he ejaculates. Those apparently are greater crimes than all the things you've listed below. Lying about Iraq, illegal wire-tapping, and now leaking classified information to discredit a political opponent. An all-round disgrace to America, and yet somehow he's still president! Amazing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
on 4/8/06 1:54 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I smell it. Within the next 6 months, MMY will announce that MUM will be moving to this Kansas town. Anyone agree? I doubt it. Very few people could afford to move. Unless he wants MUM there without the meditating community. Even then, it would cost a fortune to build a whole campus. Even now, MUM is investing heavily in new construction here in Fairfield. A more interesting speculation is whether anything will actually be built in Kansas, and if it is (unlikely), who will occupy it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] [was Re: The four classes] so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: In the Hindu cosmology, the basic concept is that the universe really runs the show when it comes to how and as what one will reincarnate. That a quite odd and limited description of Hindusim. What is the difference between so called life and so called death? We don't go away- our essential nature, our consciousness remains, Yes. If the individuality myth is seen as hallow, that is the individuality who never was, dies, then Consciousness remains. so what difference is it if the consciousness is in the living room or the dining room or the bedroom? How is consciousness -- as in essential nature, ever limited to a particular room? These are the words of one within the continuance of the individuality myth. Is it fair or accurate to say we have *died* when we move from room to room? No, if something is moving from room to room, whether physical or astral, then it has not, died, the individuality myth continues, the illusion of individual has not died. If I go from the living room to the dining room and someone says 'where's Jim?', do we say, 'oh he went into the dining room; he's dead'...? No, unfortunately, we would have to say that the individuality myth of Jim still continues by the myth that is Jim. A self-referral of mythology. It is like that old phrase about enlightenment, you know, the one about chopping wood and carrying water, both before and after. For the body that is true. Same deal, dead or alive --no difference--. If there is no body, and no individuality myth remaining, what is left? Not Jim, just consciousness. Death is just the word to mean the physical body dies. Has little to do with the real Us on our eternal journey. No worries, mate. Who is making this eternal journey? Is it Jim? If so, it will be a long journney, as the individuality myth slowly unravels. If there is no individuality myth, there is no eternal journey, just eternity, Consciousness. (And if that is a disappointment, a sense of loss of specific pleasures on the journey, then the enjoyer still lives -- the individuality myth still lives. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/8/06 10:18:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well DeLay is about to go, so wait for the Dems to win back the House, impeach Cheney, then impeach Bush, then hope the current minority leader can do better. Nancy Pelosi as President? OMG! I think she's hot. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kansas to be home to World Capital of Peace Small town finds Yogi's disciples `not so scary' By LAURA BAUER The Kansas City Star [according to Ed Malloy] In the past two decades, the Fairfield area has added 300 businesses, doubled its tax base and added about 2,000 people to its population. ** Fairfield Mayor Ed Malloy can't count -- in fact, Fairfield only has about a hundred more people than in 1980, and actually lost population since 1990. Jefferson County has lost population since 1980, although Iowa as a state has increased in population: http://www.extension.iastate.edu/Publications/DD51.pdf Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
In a message dated 4/8/06 2:26:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I doubt it. Very few people could afford to move. Unless he wants MUM therewithout the meditating community. Even then, it would cost a fortune tobuild a whole campus. Even now, MUM is investing heavily in new constructionhere in Fairfield. A more interesting speculation is whether anything willactually be built in Kansas, and if it is (unlikely), who will occupy it? I don't think these are reasons M would even consider if he wanted to do something like pick up and move and show the world what would happen if meditators left the area. I mean look what he did in England. Remember when he was interviewed by the press during the DC campaign and the Mississippi was flooding and he laughed and said it was because the sidhas had left and gone to DC? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
In a message dated 4/8/06 2:29:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nancy Pelosi as President? OMG!I think she's hot. Yes, and Sharon Stone thinks Hillary is too sexy to be president. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/8/06 12:15:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here's the link to the article in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact Here's a summation of the article from (http://tinyurl.com/zmw6u) US considers use of nuclear weapons against Iran +++ Everyone is cremated equal? The Pentagon continuously draws up plans for all kinds of scenarios that might involve the United States military from hostage rescue situations all the way up to all out nuclear war. We probably even have plans to invade Great Britain on the shelves some place. It doesn't mean any particular plan will be used. However it is likely that Iran is going to get hit in the near future.I kind of wonder what Saddam Hussien would be doing now had Iraq not been invaded. With Iran working on nukes and delivery systems, you think he might feel threatened and justified with pushing his own nuclear program? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
In a message dated 4/8/06 4:52:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kansas to be home to World Capital of Peace Small town finds Yogi’s disciples ‘not so scary’ By LAURA BAUER The Kansas City Star Shouldn't some body warn the city of Smith Center Kansas that the TMO isn't as innocent as it might seem, that it really is a cult and they will try to take control of the towns politics and so on? I mean I don't think the TMO is evil or anything but these people, of Smith Center,are going to be in for a rude awakening once the taters get settled in. Geez I would kind of like to go there just to sit back and watch how everybody reacts. Be a fly on the wall in the barber shop on Saturdays and listen to the gossip. Maybe start a rumor or two myself. Oh My God, that could be fun! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] It's been nice knowing you all
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/8/06 12:15:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here's the link to the article in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact Here's a summation of the article from (http://tinyurl.com/zmw6u) US considers use of nuclear weapons against Iran The Pentagon continuously draws up plans for all kinds of scenarios that might involve the United States military from hostage rescue situations all the way up to all out nuclear war. We probably even have plans to invade Great Britain on the shelves some place. It doesn't mean any particular plan will be used. However it is likely that Iran is going to get hit in the near future.I kind of wonder what Saddam Hussien would be doing now had Iraq not been invaded. With Iran working on nukes and delivery systems, you think he might feel threatened and justified with pushing his own nuclear program? Ah, with what? Sand? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas' on 4/8/06 2:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/8/06 2:26:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I doubt it. Very few people could afford to move. Unless he wants MUM there without the meditating community. Even then, it would cost a fortune to build a whole campus. Even now, MUM is investing heavily in new construction here in Fairfield. A more interesting speculation is whether anything will actually be built in Kansas, and if it is (unlikely), who will occupy it? I don't think these are reasons M would even consider if he wanted to do something like pick up and move and show the world what would happen if meditators left the area. I mean look what he did in England. Remember when he was interviewed by the press during the DC campaign and the Mississippi was flooding and he laughed and said it was because the sidhas had left and gone to DC? Which wasnt true. It was raining like crazy for a long time before we went to the course. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] It's been nice knowing you all
In a message dated 4/8/06 3:04:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: be doing now had Iraq not been invaded. With Iran working on nukes and delivery systems, you think he might feel threatened and justified with pushing his own nuclear program?Ah, with what? Sand? Pete, we did remove hundreds of tons of yellow cake uranium. And Saddam was hell bent on getting the sanctions lifted. Had Hans Blix been as adamant about Saddam not being a threat to anybody as the Democratic party has been for the past three years, surely sanctions would have been lifted by now or at least in the near future by the UN. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
In a message dated 4/8/06 3:16:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think these are reasons M would even consider if he wanted to do something like pick up and move and show the world what would happen if meditators left the area. I mean look what he did in England. Remember when he was interviewed by the press during the DC campaign and the Mississippi was flooding and he laughed and said it was because the sidhas had left and gone to DC?Which wasn’t true. It was raining like crazy for a long time before we went to the course. The truth didn't matter to him.He still took credit for it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **SNIP** I do think things here in the unviverse, including me, run on autopilot and that the sense that I have free will is an illusion. This is based on TM meditation - related experiences I have had, so I feel pretty convinced of this (while also recognizing that first, I probably have only experienced a tiny piece of the BIG picture, and second, the meditation technique that gives rise to this may do just that by changing the brain in specific ways related to the technique, but that is another discussion) Nevertheless, since most of the time I have the sensation/illusion that I am controlling my life, I have no choice but to keep on exerting my will and seeking! And if in the midst of this world I DO have some free will, I am betting it has to do with evolution and related choices. **SNIP TO END** Very well said. This my experience/POV as well. In the sense that sadhana seems to be progressive, rather than an instantaneous awakening, the best way I could describe it is a thinning of the ego. Can't say it's not there but pretty much the only time it's noticed are those times when I feel annoyed. When that occurs it doesn't take much more than a moment's reflection for the feeling to subside. This life seems to be little more than a point of view, a way of interaction. Things of interest draw my attention and other things don't. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 2:19 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Yep- that all makes sense. The one thing we should establish in this life is groundedness, centeredness, identification with the Self, the cosmos, Brahman. Just makes the rest of it manageable, and much more interesting. Otherwise we just as you say, tumble around with our minds closed, even to our selves! Life or death, get centered. That's exactly one of the points of my post, there is no center. You are truly beyond space and time. There are no reference points, no referentiality. Part of the terror of doing a retreat in total darkness--and in some parts of the Shank. trad. they do an 11 month dark retreat--is when you do come back to the body there's still no reference points. No inside or outside, the vase has shattered. There is a perfect crystalline structure manifested of consciousness once the intellect is perfected. It is this structure, independent of any external reference points, including a body, which centers the Self. It is the singularity found at the intersection of past, future, and infinity. The terror you speak of above comes from not being established in this singularity, and being at the effect of an unstable mind. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] [was Re: The four classes] so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: In the Hindu cosmology, the basic concept is that the universe really runs the show when it comes to how and as what one will reincarnate. That a quite odd and limited description of Hindusim. What is the difference between so called life and so called death? We don't go away- our essential nature, our consciousness remains, Yes. If the individuality myth is seen as hallow, that is the individuality who never was, dies, then Consciousness remains. so what difference is it if the consciousness is in the living room or the dining room or the bedroom? How is consciousness -- as in essential nature, ever limited to a particular room? These are the words of one within the continuance of the individuality myth. Is it fair or accurate to say we have *died* when we move from room to room? No, if something is moving from room to room, whether physical or astral, then it has not, died, the individuality myth continues, the illusion of individual has not died. If I go from the living room to the dining room and someone says 'where's Jim?', do we say, 'oh he went into the dining room; he's dead'...? No, unfortunately, we would have to say that the individuality myth of Jim still continues by the myth that is Jim. A self-referral of mythology. It is like that old phrase about enlightenment, you know, the one about chopping wood and carrying water, both before and after. For the body that is true. Same deal, dead or alive --no difference--. If there is no body, and no individuality myth remaining, what is left? Not Jim, just consciousness. Death is just the word to mean the physical body dies. Has little to do with the real Us on our eternal journey. No worries, mate. Who is making this eternal journey? Is it Jim? If so, it will be a long journney, as the individuality myth slowly unravels. If there is no individuality myth, there is no eternal journey, just eternity, Consciousness. (And if that is a disappointment, a sense of loss of specific pleasures on the journey, then the enjoyer still lives -- the individuality myth still lives. You appear to be mything my point... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Digest Number 4658
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be interested in knowing whether people who don't practice TM have the same results with diksha. May I update you on this? I don't practise TM, and I didn't like 'diksha'. Btw, as it is compared here always with shaktipath, I was explicitly told by the diksha-giver that it is not a kind of shaktipath, that I shouldn't expect anything like this (which I didn't do.) and it certainly didn't feel like this. I was in India at Mt Arunachala, and I got it unconventionally, but the guy pressed so hard on my head, that I felt my crown chakra was negatively affected. (He was certainly well-meaning, but thats how I felt) So, for those who a sensitive at their crown chakra, like me, I don't recommend it. For others it my be harmless. My opinion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/8/06 1:46 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the name of demystification, the nephews? Who are they? A list of names, ages and links to photos would be a good start. One of them is Girish Shrivastava. His photo is here: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/328a?c= Interesting. Nice touch with the photo of himself where his head is positioned slightly above MMY's. Any spiritual credentials? WHo are the two white yes-men on his sides? Just another two clueless TM-Governors? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
on 4/8/06 4:18 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of them is Girish Shrivastava. His photo is here: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/328a?c= Interesting. Nice touch with the photo of himself where his head is positioned slightly above MMY's. Any spiritual credentials? Maharishi's nephew? WHo are the two white yes-men on his sides? Just another two clueless TM-Governors? A couple of Russian Governors who were visiting and wanted a photo op. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote: Maharishi has considerable influence politico-social sphere in India. He can pull strings and get things done. Besides the number of devotees willing to obey him and do anything for him is still high. In India, if you have the right connections, Nothing can touch you. It is very different from America. I think the power of the Nephews will diminish if Maharishi attains Samadhi [Dies]. They cannot be completely ridden off. Probably, Bevan Morris and John Hagelin will be the two hot-shots controling the movement and it's finances. Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:55:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi I think they've got each other by the balls. It could go like this: Nephews: We've got some dirt on you MMY. Keep sending money or we'll divulge it.MMY: Yeah, well you ain't exactly squeaky-clean yourselves. Do something demonstrable with at least some of that money or I won't be able to raise more to send you. And besides, I really do want to help the world. Nephews: Deal. Maharishi also protects them from Tax-raids. How does he do that? Who protects him? Without Maharishi they would have lot of problems. Kindly explain what you think will happen when he dies. Are you guys sure you didn't cross some wires during your last program and confused spiritual leadership with the Sopranos? A couple yrs ago, a friend who knew alot about the Indian TMO said to me something to the effect: imagine what will happen to the brains of the MUM crowd when the truth comes out and they realize the Indian TMO has as much in common with the mafia as an ashram. Two proposals.. (1) a big jump toward the Big E (2) an excuse to start worshipping the God of Cynicism To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:29 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 2:19 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Yep- that all makes sense. The one thing we should establish in this life is groundedness, centeredness, identification with the Self, the cosmos, Brahman. Just makes the rest of it manageable, and much more interesting. Otherwise we just as you say, tumble around with our minds closed, even to our selves! Life or death, get centered. That's exactly one of the points of my post, there is no center. You are truly beyond space and time. There are no reference points, no referentiality. Part of the terror of doing a retreat in total darkness--and in some parts of the Shank. trad. they do an 11 month dark retreat--is when you do come back to the body there's still no reference points. No inside or outside, the vase has shattered. There is a perfect crystalline structure manifested of consciousness once the intellect is perfected. It is this structure, independent of any external reference points, including a body, which centers the Self. It is the singularity found at the intersection of past, future, and infinity. The terror you speak of above comes from not being established in this singularity, and being at the effect of an unstable mind. Good luck with that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:29 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 2:19 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Yep- that all makes sense. The one thing we should establish in this life is groundedness, centeredness, identification with the Self, the cosmos, Brahman. Just makes the rest of it manageable, and much more interesting. Otherwise we just as you say, tumble around with our minds closed, even to our selves! Life or death, get centered. That's exactly one of the points of my post, there is no center. You are truly beyond space and time. There are no reference points, no referentiality. Part of the terror of doing a retreat in total darkness--and in some parts of the Shank. trad. they do an 11 month dark retreat--is when you do come back to the body there's still no reference points. No inside or outside, the vase has shattered. There is a perfect crystalline structure manifested of consciousness once the intellect is perfected. It is this structure, independent of any external reference points, including a body, which centers the Self. It is the singularity found at the intersection of past, future, and infinity. The terror you speak of above comes from not being established in this singularity, and being at the effect of an unstable mind. Good luck with that. your cynicism is underwhelming... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and Muktananda enjoying a hug
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/8253?b=21 I love this photo. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/8/06 9:20:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's hard to know why this Bush guy is still standing. What does he have to do to get impeached? Have sex in the Oval Office with someone other than his wife, while being a Democrat, or both? Not enough, he must lie under oath in a deposition given in a sexual harassment law suit which would prevent the truth regarding sexual harassment history from being uncovered. Then you might get some where. ...and for poetic justice, the law under which he can be questioned under deposition is the very law that he himself was responsible for putting into law...a law that he probably would have had no problem ruining the life of some executive with that would have been caught in a similar situation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
on 4/8/06 4:39 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:29 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Good luck with that. your cynicism is underwhelming... Vaj, I consider you a friend and I respect your scholarship and experience, and can't match either, and I also respect and to some extent share your concerns about premature claims to enlightenment, but I have serious doubts about your apparent belief that regular folks like Jim, Dr. Pete, etc., can't possibly be experiencing the real thing, or are experiencing some very preliminary stage and mistaking it for something more advanced. Take your next vacation in Fairfield and sit in on two of our Wednesday night satsangs, and question some of the folks there to your heart's content. I think it'll shake up your beliefs a bit. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/8/06 8:09 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laugh while you can, Monkeyboy. (Trivia question here...who can name the movie that the above quote comes from?) :-) Buckaroo Banzai? Give that man a kewpie doll. :-) One of the great cult films of all time. And to be even more in your face, death is going to happen -- to YOU -- far sooner than you want it to. You personally are going to DIE within twenty years, and probably closer to ten. Why so soon? Is Shemp 75? No particular reason, and it may not be true. But he IS going to die, and if he manages to live the rest of his life as incurious and as unwilling to exert *any* effort to learn anything new as he has during the last few years, he'll face that death as ignorant of what it's all about as he is today. For some reason, that just struck me as sad this morning, and so I wrote what I wrote. Periodically, Shemp decides to trash the Dalai Lama and Things Tibetan for -- as far as I can tell -- no other reason than to be a troll and to be provocative. Actually, I've certainly trashed the Dalai Lam but have never trashed the Tibetan Buddhists (don't know enough about them to either trash or love 'em). As for being a provocateur, yes, I readily admit to it, especially in this case. He knows *nothing* about the Dalai Lama, nothing about Tibetan history, nothing about Tibetan Buddhism, and doesn't really *care* to learn anything or intend to *ever* learn anything about it. Where this subject is concerned, Shemp is what I termed a typical American -- Ignorant And Proud Of It. I just got tired of putting up with his troll act is all, and decided to call him on it. If he actually has any desire to *learn* something about Tibet and its approach to death, dying, and reincarnation, I will be happy to interact with him. But for that to happen, he has to do his homework, and read a book called The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying, by Sogyal Rinpoche, Patrick D. Gaffney, and Andrew Harvey. If he does, I'll interact with him on the subject of Tibet and its philosophies. If he doesn't, I'll continue to treat him as the ignorant adolescent he seems content to be, and to be until he dies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 9:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The man who takes every opportunity to hit the TMO for weird and crazy things and here you are defending probably one of the weirdest cults of them all: one that chooses its leader based on some sort of fairy tale about reincarnation! hahahahahahahahahaha. Shemp, did you have something strange to eat before you wrote this? This is an odd reaction to the Dalai Lama and to a whole tradition that also uses the Vedas. Vedic traditions sound pretty wild, too, to most people - things like performing fire cermonies so that that energies coming from planets to your very own physiology will be deflected or enhanced. I don't particularly like any form of voodoo, tibetan or hindi. The issue, Shemp, is that you're laughing at a group of people who have more knowledge than you do about a certain subject -- death, dying, and reincarnation. And you're laughing at them and trying to put them down, when what a *smart* seeker would be doing is trying to figure out what they know, and whether it might be useful. snip I guess my point is that when it comes to the process of death, dying, and rebirth, you are *not* likely to find out anything of worth by studying with anyone from an Indian/Hindu background. Whereas, if that is one your interests, you *are* likely to find out a little of how it all works by studying with a tradition that has delved into this subject for thousands of years, with some success. That is, Tibetan Buddhists. They've got a clue, in my opinion. In my opinion, NO ONE I've *ever* encountered from an Indian/Hindu-based tradition does. They are basically *clueless* as to what happens when they die, and often as fearful of dying as the man on the street.And to be even more in your face, death is going to happen -- to YOU -- far sooner than you want it to. You personally are going to DIE within twenty years, and probably closer to ten. You're going to be lying on your deathbed, still knowing as little about what lies in front of you when your body breathes its last breath as you do today. You'll be about to dive into an experience that is as much a mystery for you as it was the day you were born. Whereas a lot of people who have actually studied with the tradition you like to make fun of (Tibetan Buddhism) will just be getting ready to perform a series of meditational exercises that they've been preparing for their whole lives. Vaj wrote: Another thing Shemp might want to consider is that the Tibetan diaspora was actually a blessing for this planet, rather than a curse. But that would entail seeing the big picture. Nice point about the Tibetan diaspora! Re death and dying, I have found Yogananda's books of comfort. I just started his Gita translation/commentary and it seems packed with all sorts of good information. Personally, I would find it comforting to have some trusty steps to perform as death nears. But, I also trust that the process will take care of itself, to a large extent. All this meditating and yoga for all these years, trying to live a good life while having some fun, caring for family. I am counting on a compassionate universe to include me and frankly everyone in the normal flow of transition. I don't think we all have to feel responsible for learing how to manage each stage of life. The analogy that comes to mind is the fundy Christian idea that ONLY thru belief in Jesus can a person be saved. But what about those who never heard of Jesus? Same with death. Such a fundamental experience cannot possibly REQUIRE special training available in one part of the world. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/8/06 12:15:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here's the link to the article in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact Here's a summation of the article from (http://tinyurl.com/zmw6u) US considers use of nuclear weapons against Iran The Pentagon continuously draws up plans for all kinds of scenarios that might involve the United States military from hostage rescue situations all the way up to all out nuclear war. We probably even have plans to invade Great Britain on the shelves some place. It doesn't mean any particular plan will be used. However it is likely that Iran is going to get hit in the near future.I kind of wonder what Saddam Hussien would be doing now had Iraq not been invaded. With Iran working on nukes and delivery systems, you think he might feel threatened and justified with pushing his own nuclear program? What would Iraq be like if the US hadn't invaded? Before Team America showed up, it was a happy place. They had flowery meadows and rainbow skies and rivers made of chocolate, where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 4/8/06 10:18:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sparaig@ writes: Well DeLay is about to go, so wait for the Dems to win back the House, impeach Cheney, then impeach Bush, then hope the current minority leader can do better. Nancy Pelosi as President? OMG! I think she's hot. I think that both Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi were probably very hot about 20 years ago. Sonny Bono's widow was hot when he died, now she's becoming more like Boxer and Pelosi. That Senator from Louisiana was hot, too, about 5 years ago. Laura Bush was probably hot 10 years ago. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/8/06 2:29:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nancy Pelosi as President? OMG! I think she's hot. Yes, and Sharon Stone thinks Hillary is too sexy to be president. Sharon Stone thinks kids should offer their boy/girfriends oral sex in lieu of genital intercourse. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/8/06 1:46 AM, peterklutz at peterklutz@ wrote: In the name of demystification, the nephews? Who are they? A list of names, ages and links to photos would be a good start. One of them is Girish Shrivastava. His photo is here: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/328a?c= Interesting. Nice touch with the photo of himself where his head is positioned slightly above MMY's. I find it very unusual that he would deem to put a photo of himself - - same size -- right beside MMY's. Any spiritual credentials? WHo are the two white yes-men on his sides? Just another two clueless TM-Governors? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 4/8/06 12:15:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, anonyff@ writes: Here's the link to the article in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact Here's a summation of the article from (http://tinyurl.com/zmw6u) US considers use of nuclear weapons against Iran The Pentagon continuously draws up plans for all kinds of scenarios that might involve the United States military from hostage rescue situations all the way up to all out nuclear war. We probably even have plans to invade Great Britain on the shelves some place. It doesn't mean any particular plan will be used. However it is likely that Iran is going to get hit in the near future.I kind of wonder what Saddam Hussien would be doing now had Iraq not been invaded. With Iran working on nukes and delivery systems, you think he might feel threatened and justified with pushing his own nuclear program? What would Iraq be like if the US hadn't invaded? Before Team America showed up, it was a happy place. They had flowery meadows and rainbow skies and rivers made of chocolate, where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles. Yes, Team America bringing equal opportunity for all. Before, Hell for some. Now, Hell for all! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
on 4/8/06 5:26 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that both Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi were probably very hot about 20 years ago. Sonny Bono's widow was hot when he died, now she's becoming more like Boxer and Pelosi. That Senator from Louisiana was hot, too, about 5 years ago. Laura Bush was probably hot 10 years ago. Shemp, are you channeling Paris Hilton? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
on 4/8/06 5:31 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of them is Girish Shrivastava. His photo is here: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/328a?c= Interesting. Nice touch with the photo of himself where his head is positioned slightly above MMY's. I find it very unusual that he would deem to put a photo of himself - - same size -- right beside MMY's. That is odd. AFAIK, that's his office. Funny to have a big photo of oneself in one's office, Maharishi or no Maharishi. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
On Apr 8, 2006, at 6:08 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 4/8/06 4:39 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:29 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Good luck with that. your cynicism is underwhelming... Vaj, I consider you a friend and I respect your scholarship and experience, and can't match either, and I also respect and to some extent share your concerns about premature claims to enlightenment, but I have serious doubts about your apparent belief that regular folks like Jim, Dr. Pete, etc., can't possibly be experiencing the real thing, or are experiencing some very preliminary stage and mistaking it for something more advanced. Well I can only comment on the contradictions they express here (or off list). Some of it's very nice, some is contradictory. Anything's possible. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 2:19 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Yep- that all makes sense. The one thing we should establish in this life is groundedness, centeredness, identification with the Self, the cosmos, Brahman. Just makes the rest of it manageable, and much more interesting. Otherwise we just as you say, tumble around with our minds closed, even to our selves! Life or death, get centered. That's exactly one of the points of my post, there is no center. You are truly beyond space and time. There are no reference points, no referentiality. Part of the terror of doing a retreat in total darkness--and in some parts of the Shank. trad. they do an 11 month dark retreat--is when you do come back to the body there's still no reference points. No inside or outside, the vase has shattered. And completely unnecessary. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I smell it. Within the next 6 months, MMY will announce that MUM will be moving to this Kansas town. Anyone agree? Anyone? Anyone? Beuller? Beuller? Why? The proposed buildings aren't suitable for the university and they're already rebuilding the university and have announced plans to add local flying halls. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/8/06 1:55:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I smell it. Within the next 6 months, MMY will announce that MUM will be moving to this Kansas town. Anyone agree? Hmmm he might like to do that, just to teach those townies a lesson. And everyone calls the TBs loonies... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/8/06 1:54 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I smell it. Within the next 6 months, MMY will announce that MUM will be moving to this Kansas town. Anyone agree? I doubt it. Very few people could afford to move. Unless he wants MUM there without the meditating community. Even then, it would cost a fortune to build a whole campus. Even now, MUM is investing heavily in new construction here in Fairfield. A more interesting speculation is whether anything will actually be built in Kansas, and if it is (unlikely), who will occupy it? So various Peace Palaces haven't already been built? The recerted teachers in various other places haven't leased office space for the Maharishi Enlightenment Centers? The mall idea has apparently been exchnaged for something cheaper and more professional-looking anyway in case you were wondering... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Kansas to be home to World Capital of Peace Small town finds Yogi's disciples `not so scary' By LAURA BAUER The Kansas City Star [according to Ed Malloy] In the past two decades, the Fairfield area has added 300 businesses, doubled its tax base and added about 2,000 people to its population. ** Fairfield Mayor Ed Malloy can't count -- in fact, Fairfield only has about a hundred more people than in 1980, and actually lost population since 1990. Jefferson County has lost population since 1980, although Iowa as a state has increased in population: http://www.extension.iastate.edu/Publications/DD51.pdf Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html Interesting. So the 2,000 sidhas that moved to Fairfield never existed, or never were counted in the census? Do students get counted or people who maintain more than one house? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/8/06 4:52:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kansas to be home to World Capital of Peace Small town finds Yogiâs disciples ânot so scaryâ By LAURA BAUER The Kansas City Star Shouldn't some body warn the city of Smith Center Kansas that the TMO isn't as innocent as it might seem, that it really is a cult and they will try to take control of the towns politics and so on? I mean I don't think the TMO is evil or anything but these people, of Smith Center, are going to be in for a rude awakening once the taters get settled in. Geez I would kind of like to go there just to sit back and watch how everybody reacts. Be a fly on the wall in the barber shop on Saturdays and listen to the gossip. Maybe start a rumor or two myself. Oh My God, that could be fun! So, if Bob is right and the population of Fairfield never changed, how did the TMO take over Fairfield politics? ANd how long did it take? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
In a message dated 4/8/06 6:44:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmmm he might like to do that, just to teach those townies a lesson.And everyone calls the TBs loonies... Well you shouldn't refer to him as a loonie since you do still try to get in at least one meditation a day. Just because he shut down the TMO in England you should feel grateful that he may only try it on a smaller and more localized level in the US, from one town to another. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/8/06 5:31 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of them is Girish Shrivastava. His photo is here: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/328a?c= Interesting. Nice touch with the photo of himself where his head is positioned slightly above MMY's. I find it very unusual that he would deem to put a photo of himself - - same size -- right beside MMY's. That is odd. AFAIK, that's his office. Funny to have a big photo of oneself in one's office, Maharishi or no Maharishi. +++ Sadam liked big pictures too. Maybe it is the only one of him smiling- -er almost. Like the pictures of the shoe vendor- not someone I would want behind me. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/8/06 3:04:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: be doing now had Iraq not been invaded. With Iran working on nukes and delivery systems, you think he might feel threatened and justified with pushing his own nuclear program? Ah, with what? Sand? Pete, we did remove hundreds of tons of yellow cake uranium. And Saddam was hell bent on getting the sanctions lifted. Had Hans Blix been as adamant about Saddam not being a threat to anybody as the Democratic party has been for the past three years, surely sanctions would have been lifted by now or at least in the near future by the UN. You're awarethat Colin Powell and Condi Rice were saying that Saddam's threat was contained in early 2001, right? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/8/06 4:39 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:29 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Good luck with that. your cynicism is underwhelming... Vaj, I consider you a friend and I respect your scholarship and experience, and can't match either, and I also respect and to some extent share your concerns about premature claims to enlightenment, but I have serious doubts about your apparent belief that regular folks like Jim, Dr. Pete, etc., can't possibly be experiencing the real thing, or are experiencing some very preliminary stage and mistaking it for something more advanced. Take your next vacation in Fairfield and sit in on two of our Wednesday night satsangs, and question some of the folks there to your heart's content. I think it'll shake up your beliefs a bit. Any floaters amongst you? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
In a message dated 4/8/06 6:55:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, if Bob is right and the population of Fairfield never changed, how did the TMO take over Fairfield politics? ANd how long did it take? Did I say anything about Bob? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
