[FairfieldLife] Funny coincidences: lauha? i?
When the weather in wintertime is about 0 degrees Celsius
(when ice starts to melt), in Finnish that weather is called
lauha (rhymes with how-huh). In Sanskrit the word lauha
means:
lauha , f. {I} coppery, metallic, **red**; n. metal, esp. iron.
I've noticed that when the weather is lauha, clouds often
look for some reason a bit reddish... 'nuff said? :D
In Swedish the preposition that in many other Indo-European
languages is in, is i. So for instance in England in
Swedish is i England. As it happens, and's been told by
me earlier, the basic Sanskrit suffix of the locative
singular case is ,well, -i; for instance locative
singular from karma is karmani (in karma), with a transitional, or
whatever, consonant n between a and i, because without
the consonant coalescence, or stuff, of a and i would result
to e, thus *karme, which doesn't appear in Sanskrit.
[FairfieldLife] Signs of the Times
Passed along from my brother: A sign in a store that truly, deeply understands parents: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/122/301323665_1a951c8859.jpg An ad for engineers from someone who truly, deeply understands engineers: http://static.flickr.com/115/310765454_e3bcd55357.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -It obviously touches some nerves though. My own belief, and I do believe this, is that there are universal deities which are perceived through the apperceptual bias of the culture but those deities in no way whatsoever are changed, or diminished by their being worshipped through all cultuires, though all cultures are not understanding that they are worshipping the same impulses. Of course I'm talking about the pagan religions and not the monistic religions. For the record, I have no problem with this whatsoever. You're being honest about the yagyas being *worship* of *deities*. What I think is a little hilarious are the people who pay money to have yagyas performed for them and then pretend they're doing so for scientific or rational reasons. It's *OK* to be superstitious; they don't have to hide it. Yeah, basically I don't have time to do 125,000 mantras for this deity or that so I will pay for it for the benefit. I think that's cool. Maybe others think that sucks or that the Vedas are misguided but that's their limitation. I wouldn't say limitation. That's their belief. It's *all* about belief in this situation. Those who don't believe in deities are no more limited than those who do, and tend to have more cash in their pockets that they're not paying to those who claim they can get the gods to do favors for them. :-) I also like having pujas done at www.monlam.org and other places. Give the spiritual a job. That's great! i wish I could have had a spiritual job, or been a TM teacher, unlike most of you fucking ingrates but they wouldn't have me. Again, that's fine, *as a belief*. I have a different one. I think that the thing that has fucked up spiritual practice and religions more than anything else is the establishment of teachers or a priest class who are paid for their services. The cleanest religions and spiritual traditions I've found in history are those who didn't allow this, and expected their teachers -- *including* the primary teacher or guru -- to work for a living just like everybody else, and do their teaching for free. If I were ever to win the lottery, I would establish a trust to help people teach basic meditation. But to qualify for funds from that trust, the teachers in question would have to agree to use the funds only for teaching materials, advertising, and room rental for the talks and classes themselves. Not one penny could be used to pay for their personal food, rent, or expenses. That way, you'd have teachers who were in it for the right reasons, not looking to find an alternative to getting a job. It's a question of intent, and keeping that intent clean. It's also Just My Opinion...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Signs of the Times
Funny, that's the message at PJ's the local coffee house right next door to me. Who took that? - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Signs of the Times Passed along from my brother: A sign in a store that truly, deeply understands parents: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/122/301323665_1a951c8859.jpg An ad for engineers from someone who truly, deeply understands engineers: http://static.flickr.com/115/310765454_e3bcd55357.jpg To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs of the Times
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny, that's the message at PJ's the local coffee house right next door to me. Who took that? [Having searched flickr] someone whose screen name is Glaab, from Arizona, who tends to post photos of signs and scantily-clad women he likes. A few of the funny ones: http://www.flickr.com/photos/glaab/sets/72157594388689282/ I like his motivational posters... :-) - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Signs of the Times Passed along from my brother: A sign in a store that truly, deeply understands parents: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/122/301323665_1a951c8859.jpg An ad for engineers from someone who truly, deeply understands engineers: http://static.flickr.com/115/310765454_e3bcd55357.jpg To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone
On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:11 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Yeah I was just telling a friend--it's really primarily for streaming video the way we now stream audio to our stereos. Since Apple now has Paramount movies online for 10 bucks--you can download a movie and then stream it to your home theatre, on demand. Anything that can be put into your iTunes library should be playable on iPhone or Apple TV. That includes output from iMovie... Which is essentially like a vPod (albeit with much less storage space) which you can actually use like a portable TiVo.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone
On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:09 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj wrote: On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Steve Job's announced earlier today. The iPhone Is it based on MacOS X like the Apple TV is, I wonder? THAT would be a scaleable product. It's basically a tablet PC/phone combo sans handwriting recognition, as far as I can tell. Well, I think the appletv is going to be a flop. 40 gigs? Givemeabreak. Especially if it did HD. UPS dropped off one of these at my door today so I've been playing with it. http://www.silicondust.com/trac/wiki/products/hdhomerun It took a bit of work but I finally got it working and recording on both Windows and Linux. Pretty cool! It took a bit of work says it all. I doubt this unit would allow you to stream DRM content, but maybe it can stream Microsoft DRM video files? It actually sounds more like a DVR to me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 1/9/07 1:47:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, jflanegi@ writes: This is fantasyland bullshit by the warmongers. *Any* use of nukes will lead to all out war in the Middle East. Even more than now. Use of nuclear weapons against another country is an extremely serious offense, and not something that is easily conceptualized by a bunch of armchair general-wannabees. I agree! It could very well lead to all out war in the Middle East. Israel is in a position that they have nothing to lose. Take them, Iran, out before Iran takes them out. Israel isn't going to wait for a mushroom cloud to rise over Tel Aviv. This is one of those snake chasing its tail scenarios. With Iran's history of valid suspicion towards the US and its Middle East proxy, Israel, I see Iran's moves as purely defensive. They *know* Israel has nuclear weapons. They have been called part of an axis of evil by the most powerful militarist country in the world. So, now everything Iran does geopolitically is seen as agression towards Israel and the US, when in fact they are probably scared sh*tless, by the prospect of a military strike against them, and have been for a long time. Why the US thinks it appears at all reasonable, modern and sane when viewed from Iran is beyond me. The americans should leave the world alone and focus on it's own problems of poverty, crime and rascism. These are serious problems. Since the americans have no talent for structuring peace or democracy in other parts of the world, they should retreat before more horrible karma is produced for the coming generations of americans. The smell of Sulphur is obvious wherever the americans go. Get out of Afganistan and Iraq, stop this mad support for Israel, declare the rights of the Palestinians for their own land. Without a quick turn of politics and intent the americans will slowly but surely become a paria caste in the opinion of the worlds population.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip For the record, I have no problem with this whatsoever. You're being honest about the yagyas being *worship* of *deities*. What I think is a little hilarious are the people who pay money to have yagyas performed for them and then pretend they're doing so for scientific or rational reasons. It's *OK* to be superstitious; they don't have to hide it. Or perhaps such people realize there's more than one way to understand yagyas. snip The cleanest religions and spiritual traditions I've found in history are those who didn't allow this, and expected their teachers -- *including* the primary teacher or guru -- to work for a living just like everybody else, and do their teaching for free. Just out of curiosity, why should spiritual teaching be the only kind of teaching that is not considered to be a job deserving of compensation?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mechanics of Yagyas thanks Tom 4 sharing Ur vision
My thnaks again 4 this piece of news Ur vision as well, Tom T.
[FairfieldLife] Teaching for free (was Re: Mechanics of Yagyas)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip The cleanest religions and spiritual traditions I've found in history are those who didn't allow this, and expected their teachers -- *including* the primary teacher or guru -- to work for a living just like everybody else, and do their teaching for free. Just out of curiosity, why should spiritual teaching be the only kind of teaching that is not considered to be a job deserving of compensation? Just out of curiosity (since it's only my opinion and my opinions are always in flux), I'll answer. :-) The short answer is, For the good of the student. The somewhat longer answer is, For the good of the student, by ensuring the highest possible state of attention in the teacher. Spiritual teaching is full of pitfalls. Many enter into it with good intentions, but find themselves unprepared for these pitfalls, and thus find their state of attention actually being *lowered* by the experience of teaching instead of having it raised. For example, if you engage in one-on-one or one-to-many exchanges with your students, your ego is getting a *lot* of their attention focused on it. That can, and often does, result in a *growth* of the ego in the teacher, as he begins to believe his own press and falls prey to the thoughts and feel- ings that the students project onto him. Take this to its all-too-common extreme, and you find teachers who wind up almost addicted to the focus they get from their students, or who wind up sleeping with students who have developed crushes on him, often to the detriment of both parties. Another pitfall is more pragmatic -- money. If the students begin to feel that the teacher is dependent on them financially, nickle-and-diming them just to get by, subtle resentments build up in the students that are again then projected onto the teacher in the form of anger. Faced with that anger (or the psychic impact of other thoughts projected their way by their students), many teachers give it up fairly quickly. Or, feeling constantly financially pinched because they really *are* nickle- and-diming their own students to survive, they give it up and go off and find a job. One of the ways I've seen some spiritual organ- izations avoid these pitfalls is to make sure that none of their teachers -- no matter how gung-ho or motivated they may be or claim to be -- are placed in the position of being finan- cially tied to teaching. They suggest that the safest way to teach -- for both teacher and student -- is to have a job that provides you with a comfortable living and enough free time so that you can teach for free, donating your time and energy as a form of selfless service. Having taught in both situations, I can personally speak for the benefits of teaching for free. You have the constant reminder that you *are* doing what you're doing for free, and *for the benefit of the student*. The fact that you *are* doing all this for free keeps this all-important phrase for the benefit of the student an ever-present intent in your mind. Also, you never have to go through all the Is it more important to teach or to eat this month? stuff that meditation teachers are so familiar with. :-) Teaching can be the most uplifting experience a seeker has available to him in the spiritual arsenal. Standing or sitting in front of a group of people and allowing them to ask questions and feeling the answers come through you can radically change your state of attention for the better. It's just been my experience that this is *amplified* when you perform the teaching with no thought of What's in it for me? Selfless giving is a strong tool of self discovery because it *is* selfless, and because it *is* giving. The more it becomes an exchange, or a job, the less it seems to shift one's state of attention to higher and higher planes. In short, I think that spiritual teaching should be done for free because it's better for the teacher. It allows him to keep himself in a clean, high, shiny state of attention, and keeps his intent clean. And *because* his intent is clean, the students benefit more from the teaching. That's the best shot I can give it. Hope it helps...
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
nablusos108 wrote: The americans should leave the world alone and focus on it's own problems of poverty, crime and rascism... The United States has handed over to the Palestinian Authority $20 million to help restore public services and infrastructure .. but not just from US the Palestinian are getting their $$$, they get it from European countries and recently they got $20 million from Iran. Now,when they get all this free $$$ why would the P' make an effort to change, being peacefull will means they will have to get better and to do something productive for a change and that's an effort. The Muslims, especially in the eyes of the Left, are the retarded kids of the world. From them there is no need to demand responsibility, morale, international law. They are allowed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub llundrub@ wrote: -It obviously touches some nerves though. My own belief, and I do believe this, is that there are universal deities which are perceived through the apperceptual bias of the culture but those deities in no way whatsoever are changed, or diminished by their being worshipped through all cultuires, though all cultures are not understanding that they are worshipping the same impulses. Of course I'm talking about the pagan religions and not the monistic religions. For the record, I have no problem with this whatsoever. You're being honest about the yagyas being *worship* of *deities*. What I think is a little hilarious are the people who pay money to have yagyas performed for them and then pretend they're doing so for scientific or rational reasons. It's *OK* to be superstitious; they don't have to hide it. Yeah, basically I don't have time to do 125,000 mantras for this deity or that so I will pay for it for the benefit. I think that's cool. Maybe others think that sucks or that the Vedas are misguided but that's their limitation. I wouldn't say limitation. That's their belief. It's *all* about belief in this situation. Those who don't believe in deities are no more limited than those who do, and tend to have more cash in their pockets that they're not paying to those who claim they can get the gods to do favors for them. :-) Hi, I recommend that you read Tom's account of his yagya- not much belief or superstition in that example. :-)
[FairfieldLife] PS3 vs. Wii - Apple Style!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2964751562925463883 with all this estrogen on their campaign it's hard to decide which one is better or maybe it's very easy. ;)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip For the record, I have no problem with this whatsoever. You're being honest about the yagyas being *worship* of *deities*. What I think is a little hilarious are the people who pay money to have yagyas performed for them and then pretend they're doing so for scientific or rational reasons. It's *OK* to be superstitious; they don't have to hide it. Or perhaps such people realize there's more than one way to understand yagyas. snip The cleanest religions and spiritual traditions I've found in history are those who didn't allow this, and expected their teachers -- *including* the primary teacher or guru -- to work for a living just like everybody else, and do their teaching for free. Just out of curiosity, why should spiritual teaching be the only kind of teaching that is not considered to be a job deserving of compensation? I don't get this either. Teaching is a job- an exalted one, but none the less still a job. Teachers should get paid, and paid as well as any other profession. Perhaps Barry is being influenced by his experience with Fred Lenz, who very much exploited his followers in every way possible, and definitely leeched off of them for money. That would leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth, though its quite a leap to then say teaching for money is somehow less clean. Transactions for money are as clean or as dirty as we make them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I recommend that you read Tom's account of his yagya- not much belief or superstition in that example. :-) It was a *dream*, dude. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't get this either. Teaching is a job- an exalted one, but none the less still a job. Teachers should get paid, and paid as well as any other profession. I disagree, and covered why in an earlier post. Perhaps Barry is being influenced by his experience with Fred Lenz, who very much exploited his followers in every way possible, and definitely leeched off of them for money. While this is somewhat true, he is also one of teachers who never allowed his own students to teach for money, and insisted they do it for free, out of a sense of selfless service. I am the first to agree that his life might have turned out differ- ently if he had walked his own talk. In many ways. That would leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth, though its quite a leap to then say teaching for money is somehow less clean. Transactions for money are as clean or as dirty as we make them. We must agree to disagree.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Hi, I recommend that you read Tom's account of his yagya- not much belief or superstition in that example. :-) It was a *dream*, dude. :-) and your point is?
[FairfieldLife] Teaching for free (was Re: Mechanics of Yagyas)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip The cleanest religions and spiritual traditions I've found in history are those who didn't allow this, and expected their teachers -- *including* the primary teacher or guru -- to work for a living just like everybody else, and do their teaching for free. Just out of curiosity, why should spiritual teaching be the only kind of teaching that is not considered to be a job deserving of compensation? Just out of curiosity (since it's only my opinion and my opinions are always in flux), I'll answer. :-) The short answer is, For the good of the student. The somewhat longer answer is, For the good of the student, by ensuring the highest possible state of attention in the teacher. Not sure why anything you mention wouldn't apply to teachers across the board, both the pitfalls and the benefits of either option. The biggest problem I see with the free option is that would be much more difficult for a teacher who has family responsibilities and therefore a lot less free time. Or if they take a job that gives them enough free time to teach as well as tend to their families, they're likely to be paid less than they need for their family's support. That would tend to limit the field of teachers to those who don't have families, and I'm not at all sure that would be a good thing for a host of reasons, for teachers generally, but *especially* spiritual teachers. Another drawback is that if a teacher has a regular job, she can't put all her attention on her teaching; she's serving two masters, as it were. And the more demanding the regular job, the more conflict between the two. snip Having taught in both situations, I can personally speak for the benefits of teaching for free. You have the constant reminder that you *are* doing what you're doing for free, and *for the benefit of the student*. The fact that you *are* doing all this for free keeps this all-important phrase for the benefit of the student an ever-present intent in your mind. Also, you never have to go through all the Is it more important to teach or to eat this month? stuff that meditation teachers are so familiar with. :-) I don't understand. Why would you never have to go through this? Seems to me this would be one of the biggest problems with teaching for free, and not a problem at all if you're being compensated for teaching. snip In short, I think that spiritual teaching should be done for free because it's better for the teacher. It allows him to keep himself in a clean, high, shiny state of attention, and keeps his intent clean. And *because* his intent is clean, the students benefit more from the teaching. Again, to the extent that this is valid, I can't for the life of me figure out why it wouldn't apply, in principle, to any kind of teacher. You don't have to be a spiritual teacher for teaching to be a mission. Or in another sense, all teaching is spiritual on some level. Very few teachers are in it only for the money, for one reason because teaching generally isn't paid all that well to begin with. Which is why it seems rather odious to me to suggest that teachers teach for money because they're too lazy to get a real job.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas
On Jan 10, 2007, at 10:48 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I recommend that you read Tom's account of his yagya- not much belief or superstition in that example. :-) It was a *dream*, dude. :-) One wonders if he was practicing the flying sutra and or listening to the soma mandala, as these are the type of experiences I associate with that practice. Other than that it sounds like a dream of purification (a sign that purification was taking place).
[FairfieldLife] Teaching for free (was Re: Mechanics of Yagyas)
Answering the only point that needs to be addressed. Other than that, I've said what I have to say and you've said what you have to say. End of discussion. snip The biggest problem I see with the free option is that would be much more difficult for a teacher who has family responsibilities and therefore a lot less free time. Or if they take a job that gives them enough free time to teach as well as tend to their families, they're likely to be paid less than they need for their family's support. That would tend to limit the field of teachers to those who don't have families, and I'm not at all sure that would be a good thing for a host of reasons, for teachers generally, but *especially* spiritual teachers. Another drawback is that if a teacher has a regular job, she can't put all her attention on her teaching; she's serving two masters, as it were. And the more demanding the regular job, the more conflict between the two. All of the teachers I have encountered, both past and present who advocated this approach were *also* strong proponents of career success, and tended to urge their students (both married and single) to enter careers that would provide them with both the money and the free time to teach, without it being a strain on them. That was certainly true for myself and all of the people I've known who taught for free, including those with families.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stages of samaadhi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip There is so much hidden in the TMO, that unless we know from our own experience, we're just guessing... Or unless of course you knew and talked with one of M's closest confidants who helped set up SCI and the birth of the sidhi program... :-) Having done that you'd know that he knew none of this stuff, but had to seek it out with couriers dispatched to various locales. You'd also know that much lecture material was also not his own. And I believe we have one a brother student of SBS who said flat out, M knew nothing about yoga: he was not a yogi! I know this is hard for some people, but it is the plain truth of the matter. Nothing would surprise me anymore I don't understand why you would *ever* have been (presumably unpleasantly) surprised to learn that MMY sought out input from others. If you were creating a curriculum to teach something you thought was of great importance, wouldn't *you* want to explore every possible angle with others who might have something to contribute, and incorporate into your curriculum whatever of their thinking you found valuable? Seems to me assuming you have nothing to learn from anybody would, at the very least, not be good pedagogy. It would be difficult to be surprised about Maharishi seeking out input from others, because he never mentioned it. Honest disclosure, now THAT would be a surprise I always figured that MMY borrowed stuff from other teachers, that doesn't bother me, but if he 'borrowed' it ALL, I'd like to know. How could he NOT borrow it? The Yoga Sutras have been around for between 1200 and 2500 years, depending on who you believe and MMY says that TM is the simplest form of dyhan ala Patanjali. Maharishi claims that the TM program is his unique revival of 'Knowlege' in this time by the grace of Guru Dev, not just a good program structured from remaining practices. I do understand that it's ultimately 'borrowed'. Come on, you know the patter! JohnY
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas
We already know what you think in spades Turq so how about not also hijacking this thread with personal opinions. If people don't like pundits, vedas, or divine intercession then I suggest they stay the fuck off of this thread. - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't get this either. Teaching is a job- an exalted one, but none the less still a job. Teachers should get paid, and paid as well as any other profession. I disagree, and covered why in an earlier post. Perhaps Barry is being influenced by his experience with Fred Lenz, who very much exploited his followers in every way possible, and definitely leeched off of them for money. While this is somewhat true, he is also one of teachers who never allowed his own students to teach for money, and insisted they do it for free, out of a sense of selfless service. I am the first to agree that his life might have turned out differ- ently if he had walked his own talk. In many ways. That would leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth, though its quite a leap to then say teaching for money is somehow less clean. Transactions for money are as clean or as dirty as we make them. We must agree to disagree. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
In a message dated 1/9/07 6:18:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Israel's existence has been repeatedly threatened by Iran and if there were ever any justification for using a nuke, they have it. Key phrase if there is any justification.K Self defense, the defense of ones own existence from a mad man who has repeatedly threatened your life as a people and a nation is justification. Yet the nukes we hear Israel intends to use are not strategic nukes, to bomb civilian targets and kill millions but are tactical mini nukes that explode deep underground to take out bunkers and minimize damage above ground. Some how I don't see Iran using that kind of a nuke on Israel to destroy them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
In a message dated 1/9/07 4:25:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I see Iran's moves as purely defensive. They *know* Israel has nuclear weapons. They have been called part of an axis of evil by the most powerful militarist country in the world. So, now everything Iran does geopolitically is seen as agression towards Israel and the US, when in fact they are probably scared sh*tless, by the prospect of a military strike against them, and have been for a long time. Why the US thinks it appears at all reasonable, modern and sane when viewed from Iran is beyond me. I don't doubt that you do see Iran's moves as purely defensive. Why hasn't Syria done the same? Iran hasn't been called an axis of evil for nothing. They have been a state sponsor of terrorism for decades as has Syria. There are not that many countries, European or Islamic, that would characterize them any differently either. Yet everybody has been content to negotiate with them while they, Iran, works desperately to develop nuclear energy everybody knows they don't need but only want for military purposes. Nobody has posed a military threat to Syria and nobody has posed a military threat to Iran until they started developing a nuclear program and repeatedly threatened to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Not only is Israel upset at the prospect of Iran trying to use nukes to destroy them, but Sunni Muslim nations fear Iran trying to use nukes against them and now are threatening to start their own programs in self defense against Iran. So in short, both Syria and Iran sponsor terrorism and call for the destruction of Israel yet the world deals with each differently because of political posturing and Iran is hell bent of getting nukes with which they could actually do it with.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
In a message dated 1/9/07 6:21:34 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A nuke is a nuke according to the various treaties. AND in the minds of most peole. Even if they see an intellectual distinction, there's still the slippery slope issue. If Israel can use it on Iran, what's to stop someone from using it on Israel? That's the whole point of why Israel may feel compelled to use them, to keep Iran from having them so they can't use them. Had Iran not been a state sponsor of terrorism for decades especially against Israel and supporting through finance, military training and weaponry of Hamas and instigated the last war, Iran could be viewed in a whole different light when it came to nuclear energy. Iran has no beef with Israel, so why do they repeatedly threaten them?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
Just because the UN does something does not mean it's Morally Right. Hitler got elected through the democratic process. Does that justify his actions.?? The Arabs do have a logical point. What purpose does this creation of this Jewish state serve.?? There are many ethnic groups around the world who do not have a separate country. the Kurds, Sikhs, Jains, Parsis, etc etc. Should you give all of them a country.?? Why can't both the territories be combined into one nation and let Jews and Arabs live together as one nation.?? larry.potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:08:34 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack' artificial? on the contrary, actually Israel was established using a democratic voting process of the United Nations. Hard to find better validation than that. United Nations, 1947, Resolution 181 approves the creation of Israel, the Jewish State .. The Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel , was the official announcement that a new Jewish state, named the State of Israel , had been formally established in the British Mandate of Palestine, the land where the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah once have been. It has been called the start of the Third Jewish Commonwealth by some observers. The First Jewish Commonwealth ended with the destruction of Solomon's Temple, and the second with the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem two thousand years ago. wikipedia.org Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: Israel is an artificial state. The Arab world says pushing Israel off the map is justified. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We already know what you think in spades Turq so how about not also hijacking this thread with personal opinions. If people don't like pundits, vedas, or divine intercession then I suggest they stay the fuck off of this thread. If you want this so badly, why don't you hire someone to pray to the gods to make it happen? :-) - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I don't get this either. Teaching is a job- an exalted one, but none the less still a job. Teachers should get paid, and paid as well as any other profession. I disagree, and covered why in an earlier post. Perhaps Barry is being influenced by his experience with Fred Lenz, who very much exploited his followers in every way possible, and definitely leeched off of them for money. While this is somewhat true, he is also one of teachers who never allowed his own students to teach for money, and insisted they do it for free, out of a sense of selfless service. I am the first to agree that his life might have turned out differ- ently if he had walked his own talk. In many ways. That would leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth, though its quite a leap to then say teaching for money is somehow less clean. Transactions for money are as clean or as dirty as we make them. We must agree to disagree.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
In a message dated 1/9/07 7:27:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree! It could very well lead to all out war in the Middle East. Israel is in a position that they have nothing to lose. Take them, Iran, out before Iran takes them out. Israel isn't going to wait for a mushroom cloud to rise over Tel Aviv. Most estimations of IRan's neuclear weapons capabilities put them pretty far along on research, but not-so far along on production. The initial test they did was a misfire. Israel isn't going to wait for Iran to perfect it or even test it. They intend to shut it down, just as they did in Iraq. Only difference is Iraq's facilities were above ground and easy to destroy. Iran learned from that mistake by Saddam and has built much of their facilities in deep concrete bunkers below ground that conventional weapons can't penetrate, thus the only military options are ground invasion or tactical mini nuke bunker busters. If you were prime minister of Israel , what would you do?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas
That was really hilarious and worth millions in Raams. I am just saying that you and your two pals from AMT like best to embellish threads with your personal views without really ever attempting to reply to a thread. It's like you guys are an assembly line of bullshit, where right after the frame is installed you few people put glaring accessories on it, before the vehicle has been fully assembled, thus the whole thread usually is either destroyed, or must be placed back on track, the accessories placed have become so by rote that they are predictable, also similar like spam, but selling nothing of note, but merely making the mistake that someone gives some shit about flyaway opinions and gossip and slander. You guys are vomitious. Not everyone, just the few of you who can't prevent your kneejerk reactions to everything and so who always ruin their own writing by prematurely ejaculating your personal plots upon everything like graffitti. I hope you guys are fucking happy with yourselves because I personally think that finding value in your words is like trying to find the needle. So enfuckingjoy yourselves. But you guys are mainly totally fucking useless. - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We already know what you think in spades Turq so how about not also hijacking this thread with personal opinions. If people don't like pundits, vedas, or divine intercession then I suggest they stay the fuck off of this thread. If you want this so badly, why don't you hire someone to pray to the gods to make it happen? :-) - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I don't get this either. Teaching is a job- an exalted one, but none the less still a job. Teachers should get paid, and paid as well as any other profession. I disagree, and covered why in an earlier post. Perhaps Barry is being influenced by his experience with Fred Lenz, who very much exploited his followers in every way possible, and definitely leeched off of them for money. While this is somewhat true, he is also one of teachers who never allowed his own students to teach for money, and insisted they do it for free, out of a sense of selfless service. I am the first to agree that his life might have turned out differ- ently if he had walked his own talk. In many ways. That would leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth, though its quite a leap to then say teaching for money is somehow less clean. Transactions for money are as clean or as dirty as we make them. We must agree to disagree. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone
Vaj wrote: On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:09 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj wrote: On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Steve Job's announced earlier today. The iPhone Is it based on MacOS X like the Apple TV is, I wonder? THAT would be a scaleable product. It's basically a tablet PC/phone combo sans handwriting recognition, as far as I can tell. Well, I think the appletv is going to be a flop. 40 gigs? Givemeabreak. Especially if it did HD. UPS dropped off one of these at my door today so I've been playing with it. http://www.silicondust.com/trac/wiki/products/hdhomerun It took a bit of work but I finally got it working and recording on both Windows and Linux. Pretty cool! It took a bit of work says it all. I doubt this unit would allow you to stream DRM content, but maybe it can stream Microsoft DRM video files? It actually sounds more like a DVR to me. It is a two-tuner box that lets you view or record ATSC signals which are the over-the-air (OTA) HDTV or QAM signals which is how cable distributes HDTV signals. No you can't record encrypted signals like HBO, Showtime, etc. I have a D-VHS deck for that content. Of course cards and even external USB tuners have been available for some time for PCs and Macs. What is different about this box is it streams over Ethernet, either your network or a crossover cable. This means it works with Linux too as there are no QAM tuner cards that work with Linux. It is also a small box which I can take with my laptop to record programs. It's mainly a cool toy aimed at the geek market and home theater crowd. The Windows interface worked out of the box but it was the Linux one that took a little work.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas
Are you an Astronaut.?? Nutty professor Klumps tries to save the world from an Asteroid. He couldn't reach the detonate button. He uses propulsion fart force to reach the button but blows up the moon instread of the Asteroid and the whole earth blows up.! off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:19:15 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas I got a vacuum stuck up my ass once. Actually it was 3 times in one day --- --- accidents. OffWorld __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
In a message dated 1/10/07 8:01:06 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The americans should leave the world alone and focus on it's own problems of poverty, crime and rascism. These are serious problems. Since the americans have no talent for structuring peace or democracy in other parts of the world, they should retreat before more horrible karma is produced for the coming generations of americans. The smell of Sulphur is obvious wherever the americans go. Get out of Afganistan and Iraq, stop this mad support for Israel, declare the rights of the Palestinians for their own land. Without a quick turn of politics and intent the americans will slowly but surely become a paria caste in the opinion of the worlds population. You really do want a nuclear war in the middle east, don't you? If the US abandons political and military support of Israel, Israelis will be forced much quicker into a position of using their nukes to protect themselves.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/9/07 7:27:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree! It could very well lead to all out war in the Middle East. Israel is in a position that they have nothing to lose. Take them, Iran, out before Iran takes them out. Israel isn't going to wait for a mushroom cloud to rise over Tel Aviv. Most estimations of IRan's neuclear weapons capabilities put them pretty far along on research, but not-so far along on production. The initial test they did was a misfire. Israel isn't going to wait for Iran to perfect it or even test it. They intend to shut it down, just as they did in Iraq. Only difference is Iraq's facilities were above ground and easy to destroy. Iran learned from that mistake by Saddam and has built much of their facilities in deep concrete bunkers below ground that conventional weapons can't penetrate, thus the only military options are ground invasion or tactical mini nuke bunker busters. If you were prime minister of Israel , what would you do? Take a chill pill. I sincerely doubt Iran would ever invade or attack Israel. The rhetoric from their prez is spun to make it seem that way, but it ain't gonna happen. As usual, the US is scaring the crap out of some country, and when the country reacts, we say Oh they are getting ready for an attack!. The only two countries in the last ten years to invade other countries are the US and Israel.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was really hilarious and worth millions in Raams. Happy to see you got it. :-) I am just saying is that you and your two pals from AMT like best to embellish threads with your personal views without really ever attempting to reply to a thread. It's like you guys are an assembly line of bullshit, where right after the frame is installed you few people put glaring accessories on it, before the vehicle has been fully assembled, thus the whole thread usually is either destroyed, or must be placed back on track... So you're saying that if someone starts a thread asking what the mechanics are of how a bullock cart does 100mph and I'm pretty certain that a bullock cart *can't* do 100mph, I'm not allowed to state that? :-) You started a thread that *assumed* that yagyas worked. My comments were based on not accepting that assumption. Sorry if you were offended. The rest of your comments seemed like you just needed to rant and weren't really relevant, so I won't bother with them. ...the accessories placed have become so by rote that they are predictable, also similar like spam, but selling nothing of note, but merely making the mistake that someone gives some shit about flyaway opinions and gossip and slander. You guys are vomitious. Not everyone, just the few of you who can't prevent your kneejerk reactions to everything and so who always ruin their own writing by prematurely ejaculating your personal plots upon everything like graffitti. I hope you guys are fucking happy with yourselves because I personally think that finding value in your words is like trying to find the needle. So enfuckingjoy yourselves. But you guys are mainly totally fucking useless. - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub llundrub@ wrote: We already know what you think in spades Turq so how about not also hijacking this thread with personal opinions. If people don't like pundits, vedas, or divine intercession then I suggest they stay the fuck off of this thread. If you want this so badly, why don't you hire someone to pray to the gods to make it happen? :-) - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I don't get this either. Teaching is a job- an exalted one, but none the less still a job. Teachers should get paid, and paid as well as any other profession. I disagree, and covered why in an earlier post. Perhaps Barry is being influenced by his experience with Fred Lenz, who very much exploited his followers in every way possible, and definitely leeched off of them for money. While this is somewhat true, he is also one of teachers who never allowed his own students to teach for money, and insisted they do it for free, out of a sense of selfless service. I am the first to agree that his life might have turned out differ- ently if he had walked his own talk. In many ways. That would leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth, though its quite a leap to then say teaching for money is somehow less clean. Transactions for money are as clean or as dirty as we make them. We must agree to disagree.
[FairfieldLife] Mechanics of Yagyas
Vay writes: One wonders if he was practicing the flying sutra and or listening to the soma mandala, as these are the type of experiences I associate with that practice. Other than that it sounds like a dream of purification (a sign that purification was taking place). Tom T: The chapter I quoted from was entitled Visions. I see them as totally different then dreams as they are linear and are coherent with a clear beginning, middle and end. Having said that it appeared to me that what happened in the vision was a purification. Whether it happened because of the Yagya I can not say. The night I had the vision it seemed to be major purification. The following day I went to work and the Yagya office called and told me that they had not gotten the fax from India in time to call me the previous evening that the Yagya was to begin after midnight my time. I was innocent of the chain of events. At the time I was living in the TM center and was going through a nasty divorce. Reasons enough to need to purify. I was doing the long program and listening to the 9th and 10th mandalas and flying for 30 minutes. If any of it matters that is how it went down. You figure if there is or ever was any cause and effect. This is just my exerience as it appeared to happen to me. Tom
[FairfieldLife] Pandits come for peace
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007701070306
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
In a message dated 1/10/07 12:02:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Take a chill pill. I sincerely doubt Iran would ever invade or attack Israel. The rhetoric from their prez is spun to make it seem that way, but it ain't gonna happen. As usual, the US is scaring the crap out of some country, and when the country reacts, we say Oh they are getting ready for an attack!. The only two countries in the last ten years to invade other countries are the US and Israel. Yeah, I'll take a chill pill but you need a reality check. Hezzbola and Hamas picked a fight with Israel this past summer who were supported directly by Iran probably for the purpose of getting Iran and their nuclear program off the front pages while the E 8 met in Moscow. No, Iran isn't going to invade Israel, not with an American army in between them and not when they have their proxy Hezzbola to do it for them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stages of samaadhi
On Jan 8, 2007, at 1:43 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:23 AM, sparaig wrote: snip Yeah, you know ALL about MMY and what he is or isn't... Thanks I have all the evidence I need, had it years ago and I've talked to all the people I need to. For me this was a closed issue years ago. My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts. Of course, its all just opinion regardless of WHO he spoke to or didn't Uh, actually first-hand information, unlike the already discredited sources you seem to still need to mention.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/10/07 12:02:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Take a chill pill. I sincerely doubt Iran would ever invade or attack Israel. The rhetoric from their prez is spun to make it seem that way, but it ain't gonna happen. As usual, the US is scaring the crap out of some country, and when the country reacts, we say Oh they are getting ready for an attack!. The only two countries in the last ten years to invade other countries are the US and Israel. Yeah, I'll take a chill pill but you need a reality check. Hezzbola and Hamas picked a fight with Israel this past summer who were supported directly by Iran probably for the purpose of getting Iran and their nuclear program off the front pages while the E 8 met in Moscow. No, Iran isn't going to invade Israel, not with an American army in between them and not when they have their proxy Hezzbola to do it for them. Jim also forgets that the recent Israel-Lebanon war occurred after Lebanon via Hezbollah invaded Israel and started a war cycle. The conflict began when Hezbollah fired Katyusha rockets and mortars at Israeli military positions and border villages, diverting attention from another Hezbollah unit that crossed the border and abducted two Israeli soldiers and killed three others.[1] Israeli troops attempted to rescue the abducted soldiers but were unsuccessful. .. On 11 August 2006, the United Nations Security Council unanimously approved UN Resolution 1701 in an effort to end the hostilities. The resolution, which was approved by both Lebanese and Israeli governments the following days, called for disarmament of Hezbollah, for withdrawal of Israel from Lebanon... (wikipedia.org) Israel kept it's part of the 1701 resolution, while Hezbollah didn't, in fact every day under the eye of the UN, Hezbollah is getting weapons mainly from Iran and Syria.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 1/9/07 1:47:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, jflanegi@ writes: This is fantasyland bullshit by the warmongers. *Any* use of nukes will lead to all out war in the Middle East. Even more than now. Use of nuclear weapons against another country is an extremely serious offense, and not something that is easily conceptualized by a bunch of armchair general-wannabees. I agree! It could very well lead to all out war in the Middle East. Israel is in a position that they have nothing to lose. Take them, Iran, out before Iran takes them out. Israel isn't going to wait for a mushroom cloud to rise over Tel Aviv. This is one of those snake chasing its tail scenarios. With Iran's history of valid suspicion towards the US and its Middle East proxy, Israel, I see Iran's moves as purely defensive. They *know* Israel has nuclear weapons. They have been called part of an axis of evil by the most powerful militarist country in the world. So, now everything Iran does geopolitically is seen as agression towards Israel and the US, when in fact they are probably scared sh*tless, by the prospect of a military strike against them, and have been for a long time. Why the US thinks it appears at all reasonable, modern and sane when viewed from Iran is beyond me. I'll tell you just how scared shitless the Iranian government just might be, they are just as scared shitless as Saddam Hussein was during his own execution - or all these suicidebombers are as they strap on their vests and venture out in downtown Tel Aviv with a smug face.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Teaching for free (was Re: Mechanics of Yagyas)
authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip The cleanest religions and spiritual traditions I've found in history are those who didn't allow this, and expected their teachers -- *including* the primary teacher or guru -- to work for a living just like everybody else, and do their teaching for free. Just out of curiosity, why should spiritual teaching be the only kind of teaching that is not considered to be a job deserving of compensation? Just out of curiosity (since it's only my opinion and my opinions are always in flux), I'll answer. :-) The short answer is, For the good of the student. The somewhat longer answer is, For the good of the student, by ensuring the highest possible state of attention in the teacher. Not sure why anything you mention wouldn't apply to teachers across the board, both the pitfalls and the benefits of either option. The biggest problem I see with the free option is that would be much more difficult for a teacher who has family responsibilities and therefore a lot less free time. Or if they take a job that gives them enough free time to teach as well as tend to their families, they're likely to be paid less than they need for their family's support. Oh no, keep in mind that a lot of the people who went on TTCs were very bright and many already had careers or went on to ones that paid quite well. In a lot of businesses its not the hours you put in but what gets done that is important in the higher positions. In these positions you get paid a salary and not by the hour. So if I were to get something that might take someone else a week to do in three days then I would have two days to do what I want if that included teaching. Those salary levels are usually 100K+ too. Plenty to take care of a family.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Movie and DVD Heads Up
Bhairitu wrote: Children of Men opened this last weekend in theaters across the country. This is a movie that Barry saw last fall in Dublin and reported here. I plan to see it this week. Also out on DVD is Mike Judge's Idiocracy which was never shown in theaters and shelved by Fox for a couple years. Plot Outline: Private Joe Bowers, the definition of average American, is selected by the Pentagon to be the guinea pig for a top-secret hibernation program. Forgotten, he awakes 500 years in the future. He discovers a society so incredibly dumbed-down that he's easily the most intelligent person alive. Should be a fun watch. I watched Idiocracy last night. Not great but it has its moments and the message about the dumbing down of society is indeed there. It may be a little too gross for the more fragile souls here.
[FairfieldLife] Fearmongering on new 24 Season?
The new season of Fox's 24 begins this Sunday. Here's a clip of the opening: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTgI4r0DWGw So are they trying to condition Americans to they idea of a police state with concentration camps? Last season they were criticized for conditioning Americans to the idea that torture is okay however the central theme of that season was a Presidential conspiracy. I like to watch the show just to see what they are up to but sometimes cringe at the bad writing and direction. As for concentration camps here is a video on one recently built in Texas: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5915634797081569203 Just say No to Bush. Resist the New World Order.
[FairfieldLife] Teaching for free (was Re: Mechanics of Yagyas)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend wrote: The biggest problem I see with the free option is that would be much more difficult for a teacher who has family responsibilities and therefore a lot less free time. Or if they take a job that gives them enough free time to teach as well as tend to their families, they're likely to be paid less than they need for their family's support. Oh no, keep in mind that a lot of the people who went on TTCs were very bright and many already had careers or went on to ones that paid quite well. In a lot of businesses its not the hours you put in but what gets done that is important in the higher positions. In these positions you get paid a salary and not by the hour. So if I were to get something that might take someone else a week to do in three days then I would have two days to do what I want if that included teaching. Those salary levels are usually 100K+ too. Plenty to take care of a family. Exactly. The folks I taught for free with in the Rama trip paid attention to his career advice, so they were making 100-300K per year, and because they were consultants, had some degree of control over their time. I saw the same thing in a couple of Buddhist orgs in which the teachers taught for free. They had scanned the job market and made an assessment of what type of career would allow them both the time and the money to fit in their teaching activities. And then they trained for those jobs and got them. If someone has made a career choice that limits their time to perform selfless service that is meaningful to them, or that limits their financial ability to do so, then it seems to me that they've made a lifestyle choice as well as a career choice.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 1/9/07 11:36:01 A.M. Central Standard Time, jedi_spock@ writes: The best Israel could do is 'mini tactical-nukes' that destroy only small areas. Huge mega city busters are a big NO NO. Mini tactical nukes are what is being talked about, at least in the media. Mini tactical bunker busters that explode deep underground to destroy the facility and hopefully keep above ground radiation to a minimum. There has been no talk of bombing cities with nukes. That is totally uncalled for. This is fantasyland bullshit by the warmongers. *Any* use of nukes will lead to all out war in the Middle East. Even more than now. Use of nuclear weapons against another country is an extremely serious offense, and not something that is easily conceptualized by a bunch of armchair general-wannabees. Jim, just because a collective experience is painful does not mean it automatically must be a fantasy. Nagasaki and Hiroshima were real events. So may the scenario where Israel uses mini-nukes against the Iranian nuclear program; followed by Israel being wiped off the map by prepositioned stray Russian nukes years ago bought and now set off in Tel Aviv by Iran's Hamas or Hezbollah fronts - or Al-Qaeda; in turn followed by USA turning Iran into the world's largest self-glowing parking lot; which in turn results in Iranian sleeper cells setting of nukes in large US cities; which, in turn, results in a GWB confused beyond salvation completely succumbs to paranoia and puts his finger on the button chanting: Hallelujah! The missiles are flying!
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/10/07 12:02:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Take a chill pill. I sincerely doubt Iran would ever invade or attack Israel. The rhetoric from their prez is spun to make it seem that way, but it ain't gonna happen. As usual, the US is scaring the crap out of some country, and when the country reacts, we say Oh they are getting ready for an attack!. The only two countries in the last ten years to invade other countries are the US and Israel. Yeah, I'll take a chill pill but you need a reality check. Hezzbola and Hamas picked a fight with Israel this past summer who were supported directly by Iran probably for the purpose of getting Iran and their nuclear program off the front pages while the E 8 met in Moscow. No, Iran isn't going to invade Israel, not with an American army in between them and not when they have their proxy Hezzbola to do it for them. Jim also forgets that the recent Israel-Lebanon war occurred after Lebanon via Hezbollah invaded Israel and started a war cycle. The conflict began when Hezbollah fired Katyusha rockets and mortars at Israeli military positions and border villages, diverting attention from another Hezbollah unit that crossed the border and abducted two Israeli soldiers and killed three others.[1] Israeli troops attempted to rescue the abducted soldiers but were unsuccessful. .. On 11 August 2006, the United Nations Security Council unanimously approved UN Resolution 1701 in an effort to end the hostilities. The resolution, which was approved by both Lebanese and Israeli governments the following days, called for disarmament of Hezbollah, for withdrawal of Israel from Lebanon... (wikipedia.org) Israel kept it's part of the 1701 resolution, while Hezbollah didn't, in fact every day under the eye of the UN, Hezbollah is getting weapons mainly from Iran and Syria. Absolutely, though I think more approriate would be to say that the Israeli defense kicked into action AFTER Iran via Hezbollah - with the government and people of Lebanon as hostages - embarked on indiscriminate killing by shooting rockets into Israel.
[FairfieldLife] Kewl linguistic tricks of Diirghatamas, part 1 (version 0.01)
As we all know by now, the normal count of syllables in a triSTup-verse is 11/line. But for some reason Diirghatamas, the son of Ucathya and Maamateya, has only 10 of them on the first line of Rgveda I 164, 39: R-co a-kSa-re pa-ra-me vyo-man To add injury to insult, the form 'vyoman' is a crippled form of the regular locative singular, 'vyomani', of the word, whose basic form, or nominative singular is, we believe, 'vyomaa'. There's a slight possibility that by leaving out the last vowel, D. has tried to emphasize the transcendental nature of 'vyomaa', that often is translated to 'heaven'. Well, whilst biking around during the first weatherwise fine afternoon in several weeks, we came up with a possible phonotactic explanation for that irregularity, or whatever, but we gots to check that out more thoroughly later on.
Re: [FairfieldLife] PS3 vs. Wii - Apple Style!
larry.potter wrote: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2964751562925463883 with all this estrogen on their campaign it's hard to decide which one is better or maybe it's very easy. ;) I believe that's a spoof rather than an actual Wii commercial as it has the G4 which is the game network logo on it. The Wii seems to be the winner this round as Sony seems to be going through a real downturn (I need to look at Sony horoscope). Or maybe they should stick to professional broadcast gear and camcorders. I need to look into their HC7 hi-def camcorder they announced at CES as it may well be using the same technology that they built for the Panavision single chip hi-def camera that was used to film the last Superman and Apocalypto. You get 3 CCD color without 3 CCDs! BTW, local coverage of Mac Whirled shows that the majority of the attendees look like the PC guy and not a bunch of artsy types which in reality probably is only 10-20% of their market and only because some artists and musicians are computer phobic. ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Kewl linguistic tricks of Diirghatamas, part 1 (version 0.01)
On Jan 10, 2007, at 2:41 PM, cardemaister wrote:
As we all know by now, the normal count of syllables
in a triSTup-verse is 11/line. But for some reason
Diirghatamas, the son of Ucathya and Maamateya,
has only 10 of them on the first line of Rgveda I 164, 39:
R-co a-kSa-re pa-ra-me vyo-man
To add injury to insult, the form 'vyoman' is a crippled
form of the regular locative singular, 'vyomani', of
the word, whose basic form, or nominative singular is,
we believe, 'vyomaa'.
There's a slight possibility that by leaving out the last
vowel, D. has tried to emphasize the transcendental
nature of 'vyomaa', that often is translated to 'heaven'.
Often and accurately:
vyoman
2 m. (for 1. see p. 1029 , col. 1 ; accord. to Un2. iv , 150 fr. %
{vye} accord. to others fr. %{vi-av} or %{ve}) heaven , sky ,
atmosphere , air (%{vyomnA} , %{vyoma-mArgeNa} or %{-vartmanA} , `
through the air ') RV. c. c. ; space Kap. ; ether (as an element)
Ka1v. Pur. Sus3r. ; wind or air (of the body) BhP. ; water L. ;
talc , mica L. ; a temple sacred to the sun L. ; a partic. high
number L. ; the 10th astrol. mansion VarBr2S. ; preservation ,
welfare TS. (= %{rakSaNa} Sch.) ; m. a partic. Eka7ha S3rS. ; N. of
Praja1-pati or the Year (personified) TS. VS. (Mahi1dh.) ; of Vishn2u
Vishn2. ; of a son of Dasa7rha Hariv. Pur. (v.l. %{vyoma}).
Notice no mention of the word transcendent or transcendental
field or other such nonsense.
[FairfieldLife] less than pure: caste-inspired murder.
Dalit Buddhists killed because of their caste Kherlanji, India -- Like many Indians, their hopes of a good life were basic: a decent education, a life that was lived with self respect and a livelihood which disturbed no one. But in India, Surekha and her family were tortured for many years because they chose to live the basic life. The reason - because they were Dalits, untouchables in the eyes of Hindu purists whose status are merely better than animals. On September 29, 2006, in the town of Kherlanji, near Nagpur - a new center of Buddhist movement in India - Buddhists Surekha and her daughter Priyanka were beaten, paraded naked and gang-raped in full public view for an hour before they fell dead. Sticks were pushed into their private parts, said a policeman, who asked not to be named. Around 50 to 60 women were involved in the barbaric, inhuman act. Surekha's husband, Mr. Bhotmange was forced to witness his wife and child's being brutally hacked to death in full view of his entire village. Not only were the female members of his family tortured, his sons were stabbed repeatedly and their private parts mutilated as they refused to rape their sister. Intriguingly, the post-mortem report says the women were not raped. Doctors were managed and the police bribed, whispered another voice who requested that his name not to be revealed. We are publishing this article to highlight the unimaginable atrocities commited in the name of religion in today's modern India. While we respect traditions and local customs, we cannot condone such mindless brutality, committed against persons who have been immorally branded as less than pure. For details of the report submitted, please go to this link (Be warned: Article contains graphic images): http://atrocitynews.wordpress.com/files/2006/10/khairlanji.pdf We would like to appeal to the international Buddhist community to please use your connections and networks and forward this information to all Human Rights Organizations and Government and Non-Government Agencies. It is time that the suffering endured by the multitude of Dalits - the so called untouchable caste of India - be highlighted to the international community so that the voice of reason can be pressed upon the Government of India to put a practical stop to such inhumane act once and for all. For more information on how you can help, or to enquire about the Dalit situation, please contact the following: The Jambudvipa Trust www.jambudvipa.org 'Manuski', Deccan College Rd Tel/Fax +91-20-2669 6812 / +91-98506 66479 Yerwada, Pune 411 006, India The Ambedkar movement www.ambedkar.org
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kewl linguistic tricks of Diirghatamas, part 1 (version 0.01)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 10, 2007, at 2:41 PM, cardemaister wrote:
As we all know by now, the normal count of syllables
in a triSTup-verse is 11/line. But for some reason
Diirghatamas, the son of Ucathya and Maamateya,
has only 10 of them on the first line of Rgveda I 164, 39:
R-co a-kSa-re pa-ra-me vyo-man
To add injury to insult, the form 'vyoman' is a crippled
form of the regular locative singular, 'vyomani', of
the word, whose basic form, or nominative singular is,
we believe, 'vyomaa'.
There's a slight possibility that by leaving out the last
vowel, D. has tried to emphasize the transcendental
nature of 'vyomaa', that often is translated to 'heaven'.
Often and accurately:
vyoman
2 m. (for 1. see p. 1029 , col. 1 ; accord. to Un2. iv , 150 fr. %
{vye} accord. to others fr. %{vi-av} or %{ve}) heaven , sky ,
atmosphere , air (%{vyomnA} , %{vyoma-mArgeNa} or %{-vartmanA} , `
through the air ') RV. c. c. ; space Kap. ; ether (as an element)
Ka1v. Pur. Sus3r. ; wind or air (of the body) BhP. ; water L. ;
talc , mica L. ; a temple sacred to the sun L. ; a partic. high
number L. ; the 10th astrol. mansion VarBr2S. ; preservation ,
welfare TS. (= %{rakSaNa} Sch.) ; m. a partic. Eka7ha S3rS. ; N. of
Praja1-pati or the Year (personified) TS. VS. (Mahi1dh.) ; of Vishn2u
Vishn2. ; of a son of Dasa7rha Hariv. Pur. (v.l. %{vyoma}).
Notice no mention of the word transcendent or transcendental
field or other such nonsense.
True, but the modifier 'parama' (locative singular: parame) might give
'vyoman' a transcendental flavor, so to speak:
parama mf(%{A})n. (superl. of %{pa4ra}) most distant , remotest ,
extreme , last RV. c. c. ; chief , highest , primary , most
prominent or conspicuous ; best , most excellent , worst
([EMAIL PROTECTED] , with all the heart ; %{-ma-kaNThena} , ` with all
the throat ' , roaring , speaking aloud) ib. ; (with abl.) superior
or inferior to , better or worse than MBh. R. ; m. N. of 2 authors
Cat. ; n. highest point , extreme limit (%{catur-viMzati-p-} , at the
utmost 24) MBh. c. ; chief part or matter or object (ifc. f. %{A} =
consisting chiefly of , completely occupied with or devoted to or
intent upon) Mn. MBh. Ka1v. c. ; (%{am}) ind. yes , very well ; (also
%{parama-} in comp. ; see below) very much , excessively , excellently
, in the highest degree MBh. Ka1v. c.
[FairfieldLife] Re: PS3 vs. Wii - Apple Style!
Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] PS3 vs. Wii - Apple Style! larry.potter wrote: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2964751562925463883 with all this estrogen on their campaign it's hard to decide which one is better or maybe it's very easy. ;) I believe that's a spoof rather than an actual Wii commercial as it has the G4 which is the game network logo on it. yes, it was a joke/parody ;) The Wii seems to be the winner this round as Sony seems to be going through a real downturn (I need to look at Sony horoscope). yeh , they need a strong yagya.. :) Or maybe they should stick to professional broadcast gear and camcorders. I need to look into their HC7 hi-def camcorder they announced at CES as it may well be using the funny that you mentioned it, I was planning to purchase a new camcorder and didn't get around to research the thing yet. same technology that they built for the Panavision single chip hi- def camera that was used to film the last Superman and Apocalypto. You get 3 CCD color without 3 CCDs! BTW, local coverage of Mac Whirled shows that the majority of the attendees look like the PC guy and not a bunch of artsy types which in reality probably is only 10-20% of their market and only because some artists and musicians are computer phobic. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/10/07 12:02:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Take a chill pill. I sincerely doubt Iran would ever invade or attack Israel. The rhetoric from their prez is spun to make it seem that way, but it ain't gonna happen. As usual, the US is scaring the crap out of some country, and when the country reacts, we say Oh they are getting ready for an attack!. The only two countries in the last ten years to invade other countries are the US and Israel. Yeah, I'll take a chill pill but you need a reality check. Hezzbola and Hamas picked a fight with Israel this past summer who were supported directly by Iran probably for the purpose of getting Iran and their nuclear program off the front pages while the E 8 met in Moscow. No, Iran isn't going to invade Israel, not with an American army in between them and not when they have their proxy Hezzbola to do it for them. I meant for Olmert to take the chill pill...
[FairfieldLife] Re: less than pure: caste-inspired murder.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dalit Buddhists killed because of their caste Why print this tabloid trash? It is just inflammatory and of no benefit, in my opinion. Are we supposed to conclude anything from it about either Buddhism or Hinduism? If someone from another race slanders you, do you then conclude the whole race is bad? Looks like bigotry here, my Buddhist friend, though I will not conclude that all Buddhists are bigots.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 1/9/07 11:36:01 A.M. Central Standard Time, jedi_spock@ writes: The best Israel could do is 'mini tactical-nukes' that destroy only small areas. Huge mega city busters are a big NO NO. Mini tactical nukes are what is being talked about, at least in the media. Mini tactical bunker busters that explode deep underground to destroy the facility and hopefully keep above ground radiation to a minimum. There has been no talk of bombing cities with nukes. That is totally uncalled for. This is fantasyland bullshit by the warmongers. *Any* use of nukes will lead to all out war in the Middle East. Even more than now. Use of nuclear weapons against another country is an extremely serious offense, and not something that is easily conceptualized by a bunch of armchair general-wannabees. Jim, just because a collective experience is painful does not mean it automatically must be a fantasy. Nagasaki and Hiroshima were real events. So may the scenario where Israel uses mini-nukes against the Iranian nuclear program; followed by Israel being wiped off the map by prepositioned stray Russian nukes years ago bought and now set off in Tel Aviv by Iran's Hamas or Hezbollah fronts - or Al-Qaeda; in turn followed by USA turning Iran into the world's largest self-glowing parking lot; which in turn results in Iranian sleeper cells setting of nukes in large US cities; which, in turn, results in a GWB confused beyond salvation completely succumbs to paranoia and puts his finger on the button chanting: Hallelujah! The missiles are flying! I meant that the fantasy is in the minds of those who would consider using nukes. They live in their heads, and are not tuned in to how devastating and evil any use of nuclear weapons would be, even the 'itty-bitty' ones.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter larry.potter@ wrote: From: MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 1/10/07 12:02:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, jflanegi@ writes: Take a chill pill. I sincerely doubt Iran would ever invade or attack Israel. The rhetoric from their prez is spun to make it seem that way, but it ain't gonna happen. As usual, the US is scaring the crap out of some country, and when the country reacts, we say Oh they are getting ready for an attack!. The only two countries in the last ten years to invade other countries are the US and Israel. Yeah, I'll take a chill pill but you need a reality check. Hezzbola and Hamas picked a fight with Israel this past summer who were supported directly by Iran probably for the purpose of getting Iran and their nuclear program off the front pages while the E 8 met in Moscow. No, Iran isn't going to invade Israel, not with an American army in between them and not when they have their proxy Hezzbola to do it for them. Jim also forgets that the recent Israel-Lebanon war occurred after Lebanon via Hezbollah invaded Israel and started a war cycle. The conflict began when Hezbollah fired Katyusha rockets and mortars at Israeli military positions and border villages, diverting attention from another Hezbollah unit that crossed the border and abducted two Israeli soldiers and killed three others.[1] Israeli troops attempted to rescue the abducted soldiers but were unsuccessful. .. On 11 August 2006, the United Nations Security Council unanimously approved UN Resolution 1701 in an effort to end the hostilities. The resolution, which was approved by both Lebanese and Israeli governments the following days, called for disarmament of Hezbollah, for withdrawal of Israel from Lebanon... (wikipedia.org) Israel kept it's part of the 1701 resolution, while Hezbollah didn't, in fact every day under the eye of the UN, Hezbollah is getting weapons mainly from Iran and Syria. Absolutely, though I think more approriate would be to say that the Israeli defense kicked into action AFTER Iran via Hezbollah - with the government and people of Lebanon as hostages - embarked on indiscriminate killing by shooting rockets into Israel. I draw my conclusions partly from the numbers of dead. Israel though they have a much better PR engine kills ten to one hundred times more enemies than their enemies do of them, yet they always position themselves as the victims.
Re: [FairfieldLife] less than pure: caste-inspired murder.
http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0306/feature1/index.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 1/10/07 12:02:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, jflanegi@ writes: Take a chill pill. I sincerely doubt Iran would ever invade or attack Israel. The rhetoric from their prez is spun to make it seem that way, but it ain't gonna happen. As usual, the US is scaring the crap out of some country, and when the country reacts, we say Oh they are getting ready for an attack!. The only two countries in the last ten years to invade other countries are the US and Israel. Yeah, I'll take a chill pill but you need a reality check. Hezzbola and Hamas picked a fight with Israel this past summer who were supported directly by Iran probably for the purpose of getting Iran and their nuclear program off the front pages while the E 8 met in Moscow. No, Iran isn't going to invade Israel, not with an American army in between them and not when they have their proxy Hezzbola to do it for them. I meant for Olmert to take the chill pill... The guy is already comatose frmo ODeing on them..
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter larry.potter@ wrote: From: MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 1/10/07 12:02:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, jflanegi@ writes: Take a chill pill. I sincerely doubt Iran would ever invade or attack Israel. The rhetoric from their prez is spun to make it seem that way, but it ain't gonna happen. As usual, the US is scaring the crap out of some country, and when the country reacts, we say Oh they are getting ready for an attack!. The only two countries in the last ten years to invade other countries are the US and Israel. Yeah, I'll take a chill pill but you need a reality check. Hezzbola and Hamas picked a fight with Israel this past summer who were supported directly by Iran probably for the purpose of getting Iran and their nuclear program off the front pages while the E 8 met in Moscow. No, Iran isn't going to invade Israel, not with an American army in between them and not when they have their proxy Hezzbola to do it for them. Jim also forgets that the recent Israel-Lebanon war occurred after Lebanon via Hezbollah invaded Israel and started a war cycle. The conflict began when Hezbollah fired Katyusha rockets and mortars at Israeli military positions and border villages, diverting attention from another Hezbollah unit that crossed the border and abducted two Israeli soldiers and killed three others.[1] Israeli troops attempted to rescue the abducted soldiers but were unsuccessful. .. On 11 August 2006, the United Nations Security Council unanimously approved UN Resolution 1701 in an effort to end the hostilities. The resolution, which was approved by both Lebanese and Israeli governments the following days, called for disarmament of Hezbollah, for withdrawal of Israel from Lebanon... (wikipedia.org) Israel kept it's part of the 1701 resolution, while Hezbollah didn't, in fact every day under the eye of the UN, Hezbollah is getting weapons mainly from Iran and Syria. Absolutely, though I think more approriate would be to say that the Israeli defense kicked into action AFTER Iran via Hezbollah - with the government and people of Lebanon as hostages - embarked on indiscriminate killing by shooting rockets into Israel. I draw my conclusions partly from the numbers of dead. Israel though they have a much better PR engine kills ten to one hundred times more enemies than their enemies do of them, yet they always position themselves as the victims. Israel PR sux, it's also a matter of size, Israel can't compete with all the many hatrade contries PR machines. You tend to ignore pure FACTS and you using funny logic is not helping, meaning, just becuase Israel happened to have less dead count in this war does not mean that they are responsible for Hezbollah attack on them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] less than pure: caste-inspired murder.
Cool revolution. http://www.jambudvipa.org/sec2.htm I wonder if we could send some pundits to radiate coherence for the Dalits? I pledge the first 108 dollars. On Jan 10, 2007, at 4:14 PM, Vaj wrote: http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0306/feature1/index.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You tend to ignore pure FACTS and you using funny logic is not helping, meaning, just becuase Israel happened to have less dead count in this war does not mean that they are responsible for Hezbollah attack on them. I don't know who's responsible for what over there. Hezbollah attacked- sure, but this back and forth killing goes on constantly, so it was no doubt sparked by an earlier transgression by the Israelis, which was further a response to Hezbollah, etc, etc, etc.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kewl linguistic tricks of Diirghatamas, part 1 (version 0.01)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 10, 2007, at 2:41 PM, cardemaister wrote:
As we all know by now, the normal count of syllables
in a triSTup-verse is 11/line. But for some reason
Diirghatamas, the son of Ucathya and Maamateya,
has only 10 of them on the first line of Rgveda I 164, 39:
R-co a-kSa-re pa-ra-me vyo-man
To add injury to insult, the form 'vyoman' is a crippled
form of the regular locative singular, 'vyomani', of
the word, whose basic form, or nominative singular is,
we believe, 'vyomaa'.
There's a slight possibility that by leaving out the last
vowel, D. has tried to emphasize the transcendental
nature of 'vyomaa', that often is translated to 'heaven'.
Often and accurately:
vyoman
2 m. (for 1. see p. 1029 , col. 1 ; accord. to Un2. iv , 150 fr. %
{vye} accord. to others fr. %{vi-av} or %{ve}) heaven , sky ,
atmosphere , air (%{vyomnA} , %{vyoma-mArgeNa} or %{-vartmanA} ,
`
through the air ') RV. c. c. ; space Kap. ; ether (as an
element)
Ka1v. Pur. Sus3r. ; wind or air (of the body) BhP. ; water L. ;
talc , mica L. ; a temple sacred to the sun L. ; a partic. high
number L. ; the 10th astrol. mansion VarBr2S. ; preservation ,
welfare TS. (= %{rakSaNa} Sch.) ; m. a partic. Eka7ha S3rS. ; N.
of
Praja1-pati or the Year (personified) TS. VS. (Mahi1dh.) ; of
Vishn2u
Vishn2. ; of a son of Dasa7rha Hariv. Pur. (v.l. %{vyoma}).
Notice no mention of the word transcendent or transcendental
field or other such nonsense.
LOL!! Yeah, MMY is the only one who translates
the verse that way, right, Vaj?
[FairfieldLife] Re: less than pure: caste-inspired murder.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Dalit Buddhists killed because of their caste Why print this tabloid trash? It is just inflammatory and of no benefit, in my opinion. Are we supposed to conclude anything from it about either Buddhism or Hinduism? If someone from another race slanders you, do you then conclude the whole race is bad? Looks like bigotry here, my Buddhist friend, though I will not conclude that all Buddhists are bigots. It's all part of Vaj's campaign against MMY. Pathological.
[FairfieldLife] Teaching for free (was Re: Mechanics of Yagyas)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Answering the only point that needs to be addressed. Other than that, I've said what I have to say and you've said what you have to say. Translation: Answering the only point I can dream up a response to. End of discussion. Translation: As usual, I didn't think through what I wrote, so I find myself at a loss to deal with questions about it, such as: Not sure why anything you mention wouldn't apply to teachers across the board, both the pitfalls and the benefits of either option. The biggest problem I see with the free option is that would be much more difficult for a teacher who has family responsibilities and therefore a lot less free time. Or if they take a job that gives them enough free time to teach as well as tend to their families, they're likely to be paid less than they need for their family's support. That would tend to limit the field of teachers to those who don't have families, and I'm not at all sure that would be a good thing for a host of reasons, for teachers generally, but *especially* spiritual teachers. Another drawback is that if a teacher has a regular job, she can't put all her attention on her teaching; she's serving two masters, as it were. And the more demanding the regular job, the more conflict between the two. All of the teachers I have encountered, both past and present who advocated this approach were *also* strong proponents of career success, and tended to urge their students (both married and single) to enter careers that would provide them with both the money and the free time to teach, without it being a strain on them. That was certainly true for myself and all of the people I've known who taught for free, including those with families. And of course high-paying, undemanding jobs that require less than a full week's work are readily available and easy to qualify for by anyone who wants to teach in their spare time. Uh-huh. Here's the rest of what Barry was unable to come up with an answer to: snip Having taught in both situations, I can personally speak for the benefits of teaching for free. You have the constant reminder that you *are* doing what you're doing for free, and *for the benefit of the student*. The fact that you *are* doing all this for free keeps this all-important phrase for the benefit of the student an ever-present intent in your mind. Also, you never have to go through all the Is it more important to teach or to eat this month? stuff that meditation teachers are so familiar with. :-) I don't understand. Why would you never have to go through this? Seems to me this would be one of the biggest problems with teaching for free, and not a problem at all if you're being compensated for teaching. snip In short, I think that spiritual teaching should be done for free because it's better for the teacher. It allows him to keep himself in a clean, high, shiny state of attention, and keeps his intent clean. And *because* his intent is clean, the students benefit more from the teaching. Again, to the extent that this is valid, I can't for the life of me figure out why it wouldn't apply, in principle, to any kind of teacher. You don't have to be a spiritual teacher for teaching to be a mission. Or in another sense, all teaching is spiritual on some level. Very few teachers are in it only for the money, for one reason because teaching generally isn't paid all that well to begin with. Which is why it seems rather odious to me to suggest that teachers teach for money because they're too lazy to get a real job.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I don't get this either. Teaching is a job- an exalted one, but none the less still a job. Teachers should get paid, and paid as well as any other profession. I disagree, and covered why in an earlier post. But without responding to the question of why his view should not apply to all teachers, not just spiritual teachers. Perhaps Barry is being influenced by his experience with Fred Lenz, who very much exploited his followers in every way possible, and definitely leeched off of them for money. While this is somewhat true, he is also one of teachers who never allowed his own students to teach for money, and insisted they do it for free, out of a sense of selfless service. Or perhaps so that they wouldn't get the idea they could make money off teaching and set themselves up in competition with him. I am the first to agree that his life might have turned out differ- ently if he had walked his own talk. In many ways. That would leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth, though its quite a leap to then say teaching for money is somehow less clean. Transactions for money are as clean or as dirty as we make them. We must agree to disagree. In virtually any other context, Barry would insist that we make our own cleanliness and dirt, that there is no such absolute external standard.
[FairfieldLife] Re: less than pure: caste-inspired murder.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Dalit Buddhists killed because of their caste Why print this tabloid trash? It is just inflammatory and of no benefit, in my opinion. Are we supposed to conclude anything from it about either Buddhism or Hinduism? If someone from another race slanders you, do you then conclude the whole race is bad? Looks like bigotry here, my Buddhist friend, though I will not conclude that all Buddhists are bigots. It's all part of Vaj's campaign against MMY. Pathological. Interesting that this assessment comes from the person who regularly defends Maharishi's defense of the caste system here. Feeling a little sensitive about things you've said to support the caste system in the past, are we? This isn't a Buddhist thang per se. Many Dalits were originally consigned to the untouchable caste by Hindus because they considered Buddhists beneath them, but after that it became hereditary. The point is that the upper castes in this village killed these people because they were getting uppity and didn't want their property taken away from them by the upper caste Hindus who wanted to build a road through it, and an untouch- able getting uppity and wanting to be treated like a human being is something the more evolved upper castes could not allow to happen. This is an example of what the caste system is *really* like, not what Maharishi and you present as an idealized picture of it. Maharishi's portrayal of what caste is all about in India today is as accurate as his portrayal of what life was like in India in Vedic times.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/9/07 6:18:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [MDixon wrote:] Israel's existence has been repeatedly threatened by Iran and if there were ever any justification for using a nuke, they have it. Key phrase if there is any justification. Self defense, the defense of ones own existence from a mad man who has repeatedly threatened your life as a people and a nation is justification. Which mad man is this?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was really hilarious and worth millions in Raams. I am just saying that you and your two pals from AMT like best to embellish threads with your personal views without really ever attempting to reply to a thread. That certainly is not true of me. For example, in direct response to your question about the mechanics of yagyas, I posted a quote from a TM publication that gave a nice description of MMY's notions of those mechanics. I didn't say a word about my personal views (and often don't).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stages of samaadhi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 8, 2007, at 1:43 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:23 AM, sparaig wrote: snip Yeah, you know ALL about MMY and what he is or isn't... Thanks I have all the evidence I need, had it years ago and I've talked to all the people I need to. For me this was a closed issue years ago. My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts. Of course, its all just opinion regardless of WHO he spoke to or didn't Uh, actually first-hand information, Firsthand information as to whether MMY is a yogi? The only place that could come from is MMY himself. And your information about the course and lecture material is distinctly second-hand. unlike the already discredited sources you seem to still need to mention. Which discredited sources would these be?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:11 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: [...] Yeah I was just telling a friend--it's really primarily for streaming video the way we now stream audio to our stereos. Since Apple now has Paramount movies online for 10 bucks--you can download a movie and then stream it to your home theatre, on demand. Anything that can be put into your iTunes library should be playable on iPhone or Apple TV. That includes output from iMovie... Which is essentially like a vPod (albeit with much less storage space) which you can actually use like a portable TiVo. vPod doesn't have wifi access, cell phone access, Edge access, and your standard iPod isn't running MacOS X (UNIX)...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip For the record, I have no problem with this whatsoever. You're being honest about the yagyas being *worship* of *deities*. What I think is a little hilarious are the people who pay money to have yagyas performed for them and then pretend they're doing so for scientific or rational reasons. It's *OK* to be superstitious; they don't have to hide it. Or perhaps such people realize there's more than one way to understand yagyas. snip The cleanest religions and spiritual traditions I've found in history are those who didn't allow this, and expected their teachers -- *including* the primary teacher or guru -- to work for a living just like everybody else, and do their teaching for free. Just out of curiosity, why should spiritual teaching be the only kind of teaching that is not considered to be a job deserving of compensation? Because then it wouldn't be spiritual, obviously Of course, hospitals and insurance companies would obviously volunteers to teach their patients, and schools would welcome them with open arms because the quality-control would automatically be top-notch...
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nablusos108 wrote: The americans should leave the world alone and focus on it's own problems of poverty, crime and rascism... The United States has handed over to the Palestinian Authority $20 million to help restore public services and infrastructure .. but not just from US the Palestinian are getting their $$$, they get it from European countries and recently they got $20 million from Iran. Now,when they get all this free $$$ why would the P' make an effort to change, being peacefull will means they will have to get better and to do something productive for a change and that's an effort. The Muslims, especially in the eyes of the Left, are the retarded kids of the world. From them there is no need to demand responsibility, morale, international law. They are allowed. Just how much free money does Israel get, and how are they less retarted?
[FairfieldLife] Teaching for free (was Re: Mechanics of Yagyas)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip The cleanest religions and spiritual traditions I've found in history are those who didn't allow this, and expected their teachers -- *including* the primary teacher or guru -- to work for a living just like everybody else, and do their teaching for free. Just out of curiosity, why should spiritual teaching be the only kind of teaching that is not considered to be a job deserving of compensation? Just out of curiosity (since it's only my opinion and my opinions are always in flux), I'll answer. :-) The short answer is, For the good of the student. The somewhat longer answer is, For the good of the student, by ensuring the highest possible state of attention in the teacher. Not sure why anything you mention wouldn't apply to teachers across the board, both the pitfalls and the benefits of either option. The biggest problem I see with the free option is that would be much more difficult for a teacher who has family responsibilities and therefore a lot less free time. Or if they take a job that gives them enough free time to teach as well as tend to their families, they're likely to be paid less than they need for their family's support. Oh no, keep in mind that a lot of the people who went on TTCs were very bright and many already had careers or went on to ones that paid quite well. In a lot of businesses its not the hours you put in but what gets done that is important in the higher positions. In these positions you get paid a salary and not by the hour. So if I were to get something that might take someone else a week to do in three days then I would have two days to do what I want if that included teaching. Those salary levels are usually 100K+ too. Plenty to take care of a family. Oh yes, in fact. As I pointed out to Barty, you need to keep in mind that there aren't a whole lot of such cushy jobs, and many people aren't qualified for the ones there are. If you insist spiritual teachers must teach for free by getting a high-paying job that leaves them lots of free time, you're restricting the pool of teachers to folks who are highly educated and trained to start with, which in effect means people from relatively well-to-do backgrounds for the most part.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kewl linguistic tricks of Diirghatamas, part 1 (version 0.01)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As we all know by now, the normal count of syllables in a triSTup-verse is 11/line. But for some reason Diirghatamas, the son of Ucathya and Maamateya, has only 10 of them on the first line of Rgveda I 164, 39: R-co a-kSa-re pa-ra-me vyo-man To add injury to insult, the form 'vyoman' is a crippled form of the regular locative singular, 'vyomani', The omission of the final syllable is archaic as in `parame vyoman' which should really be `parame vyomani'. http://www.srisharada.com/Vivekafinal/394%20-408.pdf of the word, whose basic form, or nominative singular is, we believe, 'vyomaa'. 'vyomaa': Its the Sky Mother obviously, or the Universal Yoni, or the Eternal Unbounded field (the 'home' or vessel' for of all the laws of nature.) 'Vyomaa', the Atma, which must have the energy of Bhuddi (an impulse of creative intelligence) in order to take form. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mechanics of Yagyas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Hi, I recommend that you read Tom's account of his yagya- not much belief or superstition in that example. :-) It was a *dream*, dude. :-) Made me think of butterflies flitting from flower to flower...
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/9/07 7:27:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree! It could very well lead to all out war in the Middle East. Israel is in a position that they have nothing to lose. Take them, Iran, out before Iran takes them out. Israel isn't going to wait for a mushroom cloud to rise over Tel Aviv. Most estimations of IRan's neuclear weapons capabilities put them pretty far along on research, but not-so far along on production. The initial test they did was a misfire. Israel isn't going to wait for Iran to perfect it or even test it. They intend to shut it down, just as they did in Iraq. Only difference is Iraq's facilities were above ground and easy to destroy. Iran learned from that mistake by Saddam and has built much of their facilities in deep concrete bunkers below ground that conventional weapons can't penetrate, thus the only military options are ground invasion or tactical mini nuke bunker busters. If you were prime minister of Israel , what would you do? The other option are non-nuke bunker busters. Nukes are just sexier, assuming that Israel has any nuke buster-bunkers, of course.
[FairfieldLife] Re: less than pure: caste-inspired murder.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Dalit Buddhists killed because of their caste Why print this tabloid trash? It is just inflammatory and of no benefit, in my opinion. Are we supposed to conclude anything from it about either Buddhism or Hinduism? If someone from another race slanders you, do you then conclude the whole race is bad? Looks like bigotry here, my Buddhist friend, though I will not conclude that all Buddhists are bigots. It's all part of Vaj's campaign against MMY. Pathological. Interesting that this assessment comes from the person who regularly defends Maharishi's defense of the caste system here. Feeling a little sensitive about things you've said to support the caste system in the past, are we? Please cite instances of my defense of MMY's defense of the caste system, and explain why it's relevant to caste-related outrages in today's India. (Hint: As Barry knows, I've never supported the caste system.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stages of samaadhi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 8, 2007, at 1:43 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:23 AM, sparaig wrote: snip Yeah, you know ALL about MMY and what he is or isn't... Thanks I have all the evidence I need, had it years ago and I've talked to all the people I need to. For me this was a closed issue years ago. My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts. Of course, its all just opinion regardless of WHO he spoke to or didn't Uh, actually first-hand information, unlike the already discredited sources you seem to still need to mention. Um who discredited Annop Chandola, Swami Shatananda and Swami Vishnudevananda?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter larry.potter@ wrote: From: MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 1/10/07 12:02:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, jflanegi@ writes: Take a chill pill. I sincerely doubt Iran would ever invade or attack Israel. The rhetoric from their prez is spun to make it seem that way, but it ain't gonna happen. As usual, the US is scaring the crap out of some country, and when the country reacts, we say Oh they are getting ready for an attack!. The only two countries in the last ten years to invade other countries are the US and Israel. Yeah, I'll take a chill pill but you need a reality check. Hezzbola and Hamas picked a fight with Israel this past summer who were supported directly by Iran probably for the purpose of getting Iran and their nuclear program off the front pages while the E 8 met in Moscow. No, Iran isn't going to invade Israel, not with an American army in between them and not when they have their proxy Hezzbola to do it for them. Jim also forgets that the recent Israel-Lebanon war occurred after Lebanon via Hezbollah invaded Israel and started a war cycle. The conflict began when Hezbollah fired Katyusha rockets and mortars at Israeli military positions and border villages, diverting attention from another Hezbollah unit that crossed the border and abducted two Israeli soldiers and killed three others.[1] Israeli troops attempted to rescue the abducted soldiers but were unsuccessful. .. On 11 August 2006, the United Nations Security Council unanimously approved UN Resolution 1701 in an effort to end the hostilities. The resolution, which was approved by both Lebanese and Israeli governments the following days, called for disarmament of Hezbollah, for withdrawal of Israel from Lebanon... (wikipedia.org) Israel kept it's part of the 1701 resolution, while Hezbollah didn't, in fact every day under the eye of the UN, Hezbollah is getting weapons mainly from Iran and Syria. Absolutely, though I think more approriate would be to say that the Israeli defense kicked into action AFTER Iran via Hezbollah - with the government and people of Lebanon as hostages - embarked on indiscriminate killing by shooting rockets into Israel. What triggered the shooting? How many Israelis died? How many Syrians? How many members of Hexbollah?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kewl linguistic tricks of Diirghatamas, part 1 (version 0.01)
On Jan 10, 2007, at 6:10 PM, off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As we all know by now, the normal count of syllables in a triSTup-verse is 11/line. But for some reason Diirghatamas, the son of Ucathya and Maamateya, has only 10 of them on the first line of Rgveda I 164, 39: R-co a-kSa-re pa-ra-me vyo-man To add injury to insult, the form 'vyoman' is a crippled form of the regular locative singular, 'vyomani', The omission of the final syllable is archaic as in `parame vyoman' which should really be `parame vyomani'. http://www.srisharada.com/Vivekafinal/394%20-408.pdf of the word, whose basic form, or nominative singular is, we believe, 'vyomaa'. 'vyomaa': Its the Sky Mother obviously, or the Universal Yoni, or the Eternal Unbounded field (the 'home' or vessel' for of all the laws of nature.) 'Vyomaa', the Atma, which must have the energy of Bhuddi (an impulse of creative intelligence) in order to take form. Nice post OffWorld! Is Heaven the Unified Field?
[FairfieldLife] The Cost of the War in Iraq and Being Homeless
http://tinyurl.com/cfsrc I found this after reading a news article about there being 750,000 homeless people in the US, so I began doing some calculations and figured out that to provide a $200,000 house for every 3 of them would cost $50 Billion, which is 14% of the cost of the war, and shrinking.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: less than pure: caste-inspired murder.
On Jan 10, 2007, at 5:46 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: This is an example of what the caste system is *really* like, not what Maharishi and you present as an idealized picture of it. Maharishi's portrayal of what caste is all about in India today is as accurate as his portrayal of what life was like in India in Vedic times. Actually what would happen--per design (i.e. the TMO city plans posted) is to divide the reconstructed cities in quarters. Guess which quarter you and I *and* Judy would be in? Yep, you got it: the untouchable side of town. We're mlecchas. BTW, if you see a pundit today, give them a gentle hug or a shake of the hand and tell them you are a lover of universal tolerance. Great bumper sticker for TMO pundit areas: Support Universal Tolerance. Hug a Pundit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: less than pure: caste-inspired murder.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Dalit Buddhists killed because of their caste Why print this tabloid trash? It is just inflammatory and of no benefit, in my opinion. Are we supposed to conclude anything from it about either Buddhism or Hinduism? If someone from another race slanders you, do you then conclude the whole race is bad? Looks like bigotry here, my Buddhist friend, though I will not conclude that all Buddhists are bigots. It's all part of Vaj's campaign against MMY. Pathological. Vaj, unlike some of us, doesn't have any obsessive compulsive need to post on this newsgroup...
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Cost of the War in Iraq and Being Homeless
In a message dated 1/10/07 5:23:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: found this after reading a news article about there being 750,000 homeless people in the US, so I began doing some calculations and figured out that to provide a $200,000 house for every 3 of them would cost $50 Billion, which is 14% of the cost of the war, and shrinking. F*ck the homeless, I'd rather have a tax cut in that case.
[FairfieldLife] Re: less than pure: caste-inspired murder.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Dalit Buddhists killed because of their caste Why print this tabloid trash? It is just inflammatory and of no benefit, in my opinion. Are we supposed to conclude anything from it about either Buddhism or Hinduism? If someone from another race slanders you, do you then conclude the whole race is bad? Looks like bigotry here, my Buddhist friend, though I will not conclude that all Buddhists are bigots. It's all part of Vaj's campaign against MMY. Pathological. Interesting that this assessment comes from the person who regularly defends Maharishi's defense of the caste system here. Feeling a little sensitive about things you've said to support the caste system in the past, are we? This isn't a Buddhist thang per se. Many Dalits were originally consigned to the untouchable caste by Hindus because they considered Buddhists beneath them, but after that it became hereditary. The point is that the upper castes in this village killed these people because they were getting uppity and didn't want their property taken away from them by the upper caste Hindus who wanted to build a road through it, and an untouch- able getting uppity and wanting to be treated like a human being is something the more evolved upper castes could not allow to happen. This is an example of what the caste system is *really* like, not what Maharishi and you present as an idealized picture of it. Maharishi's portrayal of what caste is all about in India today is as accurate as his portrayal of what life was like in India in Vedic times. MMY talks about an *ideal*. Whether or not that ideal ever existed or can EVER exist isn't germane to what he says about the ideal. Now, you can take the stance, as a practical matter, that such a thing simply can't happen in the real world, but you never discuss things that way that I can recall...
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Cost of the War in Iraq and Being Homeless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/10/07 5:23:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: found this after reading a news article about there being 750,000 homeless people in the US, so I began doing some calculations and figured out that to provide a $200,000 house for every 3 of them would cost $50 Billion, which is 14% of the cost of the war, and shrinking. F*ck the homeless, I'd rather have a tax cut in that case. What, are y ou saying that 750,000 new $200,000 homes wouldn't boost the economy?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kewl linguistic tricks of Diirghatamas, part 1 (version 0.01)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 10, 2007, at 6:10 PM, off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: As we all know by now, the normal count of syllables in a triSTup-verse is 11/line. But for some reason Diirghatamas, the son of Ucathya and Maamateya, has only 10 of them on the first line of Rgveda I 164, 39: R-co a-kSa-re pa-ra-me vyo-man To add injury to insult, the form 'vyoman' is a crippled form of the regular locative singular, 'vyomani', The omission of the final syllable is archaic as in `parame vyoman' which should really be `parame vyomani'. http://www.srisharada.com/Vivekafinal/394%20-408.pdf of the word, whose basic form, or nominative singular is, we believe, 'vyomaa'. 'vyomaa': Its the Sky Mother obviously, or the Universal Yoni, or the Eternal Unbounded field (the 'home' or vessel' for of all the laws of nature.) 'Vyomaa', the Atma, which must have the energy of Bhuddi (an impulse of creative intelligence) in order to take form. Nice post OffWorld! Is Heaven the Unified Field? According to this derivation heaven would be conceived as the roof of the world. Others trace a connection between 'himin' (heaven) and 'home'. According to this view, which seems to be the more probable, heaven would be the abode of the Godhead. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07170a.htm I believe that human words all mean the same few basic things, based on the fact that the universe exists by virtue of the interaction of a few fundamental energies. I think humans make a dozen or more words for the same things, and it is the loss of this simplicity of life that has caused all the strife and disagreement (the tower of Babel (babble) that we build and confuse the languages of men.) Heaven just means something like home of all the laws of nature, the Devas. In the Western traditions it is where the angels (root: angirasas/agni) and the Godhead exist, just like in the 'Richo Akshare' verse of the Vedas that Cardmeister quoted. The Godhead is just the wholeness of all the others, that is more than the sum of its parts. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kewl linguistic tricks of Diirghatamas, part 1 (version 0.01)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: As we all know by now, the normal count of syllables in a triSTup-verse is 11/line. But for some reason Diirghatamas, the son of Ucathya and Maamateya, has only 10 of them on the first line of Rgveda I 164, 39: R-co a-kSa-re pa-ra-me vyo-man To add injury to insult, the form 'vyoman' is a crippled form of the regular locative singular, 'vyomani', The omission of the final syllable is archaic as in `parame vyoman' which should really be `parame vyomani'. http://www.srisharada.com/Vivekafinal/394%20-408.pdf of the word, whose basic form, or nominative singular is, we believe, 'vyomaa'. 'vyomaa': Its the Sky Mother obviously, or the Universal Yoni, or the Eternal Unbounded field (the 'home' or vessel' for of all the laws of nature.) 'Vyomaa', the Atma, which must have the energy of Bhuddi (an impulse of creative intelligence) in order to take form. OffWorld Obviously can't be interpreted as transcendental because everyone knows that heaven isn't a metaphorical term...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kewl linguistic tricks of Diirghatamas, part 1 (version 0.01)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 10, 2007, at 6:10 PM, off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: As we all know by now, the normal count of syllables in a triSTup-verse is 11/line. But for some reason Diirghatamas, the son of Ucathya and Maamateya, has only 10 of them on the first line of Rgveda I 164, 39: R-co a-kSa-re pa-ra-me vyo-man To add injury to insult, the form 'vyoman' is a crippled form of the regular locative singular, 'vyomani', The omission of the final syllable is archaic as in `parame vyoman' which should really be `parame vyomani'. http://www.srisharada.com/Vivekafinal/394%20-408.pdf of the word, whose basic form, or nominative singular is, we believe, 'vyomaa'. 'vyomaa': Its the Sky Mother obviously, or the Universal Yoni, or the Eternal Unbounded field (the 'home' or vessel' for of all the laws of nature.) 'Vyomaa', the Atma, which must have the energy of Bhuddi (an impulse of creative intelligence) in order to take form. Nice post OffWorld! Is Heaven the Unified Field? For one who knows Brahma, what is NOT the Unified Field?
[FairfieldLife] Re: less than pure: caste-inspired murder.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This isn't a Buddhist thang per se. Many Dalits were originally consigned to the untouchable caste by Hindus because they considered Buddhists beneath them, but after that it became hereditary. The point is that the upper castes in this village killed these people because they were getting uppity and didn't want their property taken away from them by the upper caste Hindus who wanted to build a road through it, and an untouch- able getting uppity and wanting to be treated like a human being is something the more evolved upper castes could not allow to happen. This is an example of what the caste system is *really* like, not what Maharishi and you present as an idealized picture of it. Maharishi's portrayal of what caste is all about in India today is as accurate as his portrayal of what life was like in India in Vedic times. No question that the caste system is very open to abuse and misuse. It is based on our rememberance, or more accurately, India's rememberance of that natural separation of society into its own dharmas-- best characterized today in my opinion by the Japanese craft traditions, but open to a lot of misuse and abuse in India. Which doesn't mean that it is a bad system, only that India has a poor memory of its possible simplicity, its perfection.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kewl linguistic tricks of Diirghatamas, part 1 (version 0.01)
On Jan 10, 2007, at 6:36 PM, off_world_beings wrote: As we all know by now, the normal count of syllables in a triSTup-verse is 11/line. But for some reason Diirghatamas, the son of Ucathya and Maamateya, has only 10 of them on the first line of Rgveda I 164, 39: R-co a-kSa-re pa-ra-me vyo-man To add injury to insult, the form 'vyoman' is a crippled form of the regular locative singular, 'vyomani', The omission of the final syllable is archaic as in `parame vyoman' which should really be `parame vyomani'. http://www.srisharada.com/Vivekafinal/394%20-408.pdf of the word, whose basic form, or nominative singular is, we believe, 'vyomaa'. 'vyomaa': Its the Sky Mother obviously, or the Universal Yoni, or the Eternal Unbounded field (the 'home' or vessel' for of all the laws of nature.) 'Vyomaa', the Atma, which must have the energy of Bhuddi (an impulse of creative intelligence) in order to take form. Nice post OffWorld! Is Heaven the Unified Field? According to this derivation heaven would be conceived as the roof of the world. Others trace a connection between 'himin' (heaven) and 'home'. According to this view, which seems to be the more probable, heaven would be the abode of the Godhead. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07170a.htm I believe that human words all mean the same few basic things, based on the fact that the universe exists by virtue of the interaction of a few fundamental energies. I think humans make a dozen or more words for the same things, and it is the loss of this simplicity of life that has caused all the strife and disagreement (the tower of Babel (babble) that we build and confuse the languages of men.) Heaven just means something like home of all the laws of nature, the Devas. In the Western traditions it is where the angels (root: angirasas/agni) and the Godhead exist, just like in the 'Richo Akshare' verse of the Vedas that Cardmeister quoted. The Godhead is just the wholeness of all the others, that is more than the sum of its parts. Beautiful, thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kewl linguistic tricks of Diirghatamas, part 1 (version 0.01)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: As we all know by now, the normal count of syllables in a triSTup-verse is 11/line. But for some reason Diirghatamas, the son of Ucathya and Maamateya, has only 10 of them on the first line of Rgveda I 164, 39: R-co a-kSa-re pa-ra-me vyo-man To add injury to insult, the form 'vyoman' is a crippled form of the regular locative singular, 'vyomani', The omission of the final syllable is archaic as in `parame vyoman' which should really be `parame vyomani'. http://www.srisharada.com/Vivekafinal/394%20-408.pdf of the word, whose basic form, or nominative singular is, we believe, 'vyomaa'. 'vyomaa': Its the Sky Mother obviously, or the Universal Yoni, or the Eternal Unbounded field (the 'home' or vessel' for of all the laws of nature.) 'Vyomaa', the Atma, which must have the energy of Bhuddi (an impulse of creative intelligence) in order to take form. OffWorld Obviously can't be interpreted as transcendental because everyone knows that heaven isn't a metaphorical term... Lol, that's funny. OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] Teaching for free (was Re: Mechanics of Yagyas)
On Jan 10, 2007, at 5:06 PM, authfriend wrote: Oh yes, in fact. As I pointed out to Barty Barty? You're slipping, Judy. :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Cost of the War in Iraq and Being Homeless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/10/07 5:23:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: found this after reading a news article about there being 750,000 homeless people in the US, so I began doing some calculations and figured out that to provide a $200,000 house for every 3 of them would cost $50 Billion, which is 14% of the cost of the war, and shrinking. F*ck the homeless, I'd rather have a tax cut in that case. Then for that tax cut, it comes down to f*ck the homeless, or f*ck the rich. and if we f*ck the rich, they'll still be rich afterwards...
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter larry.potter@ wrote: You tend to ignore pure FACTS and you using funny logic is not helping, meaning, just becuase Israel happened to have less dead count in this war does not mean that they are responsible for Hezbollah attack on them. I don't know who's responsible for what over there. Hezbollah attacked- sure, but this back and forth killing goes on constantly, so it was no doubt sparked by an earlier transgression by the Israelis, which was further a response to Hezbollah, etc, etc, etc. Ah, the familiar obfuscation technique. Just because you're to scatter brained to see the situation in aclear light doesn't mean there isn't one. Maybe you should vut back on our program (or stop smoking pot)?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter larry.potter@ wrote: You tend to ignore pure FACTS and you using funny logic is not helping, meaning, just becuase Israel happened to have less dead count in this war does not mean that they are responsible for Hezbollah attack on them. I don't know who's responsible for what over there. Hezbollah attacked- sure, but this back and forth killing goes on constantly, so it was no doubt sparked by an earlier transgression by the Israelis, which was further a response to Hezbollah, etc, etc, etc. Ah, the familiar obfuscation technique. Just because you're to scatter brained to see the situation in a clear light doesn't mean it isn't clear. Maybe you should cut back on your program (or stop smoking pot)?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter larry.potter@ wrote: From: MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 1/10/07 12:02:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, jflanegi@ writes: Take a chill pill. I sincerely doubt Iran would ever invade or attack Israel. The rhetoric from their prez is spun to make it seem that way, but it ain't gonna happen. As usual, the US is scaring the crap out of some country, and when the country reacts, we say Oh they are getting ready for an attack!. The only two countries in the last ten years to invade other countries are the US and Israel. Yeah, I'll take a chill pill but you need a reality check. Hezzbola and Hamas picked a fight with Israel this past summer who were supported directly by Iran probably for the purpose of getting Iran and their nuclear program off the front pages while the E 8 met in Moscow. No, Iran isn't going to invade Israel, not with an American army in between them and not when they have their proxy Hezzbola to do it for them. Jim also forgets that the recent Israel-Lebanon war occurred after Lebanon via Hezbollah invaded Israel and started a war cycle. The conflict began when Hezbollah fired Katyusha rockets and mortars at Israeli military positions and border villages, diverting attention from another Hezbollah unit that crossed the border and abducted two Israeli soldiers and killed three others.[1] Israeli troops attempted to rescue the abducted soldiers but were unsuccessful. .. On 11 August 2006, the United Nations Security Council unanimously approved UN Resolution 1701 in an effort to end the hostilities. The resolution, which was approved by both Lebanese and Israeli governments the following days, called for disarmament of Hezbollah, for withdrawal of Israel from Lebanon... (wikipedia.org) Israel kept it's part of the 1701 resolution, while Hezbollah didn't, in fact every day under the eye of the UN, Hezbollah is getting weapons mainly from Iran and Syria. Absolutely, though I think more approriate would be to say that the Israeli defense kicked into action AFTER Iran via Hezbollah - with the government and people of Lebanon as hostages - embarked on indiscriminate killing by shooting rockets into Israel. What triggered the shooting? How many Israelis died? How many Syrians? How many members of Hexbollah? Do your own homework - Mr Bullshi'ite.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kewl linguistic tricks of Diirghatamas, part 1 (version 0.01)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 10, 2007, at 6:36 PM, off_world_beings wrote: As we all know by now, the normal count of syllables in a triSTup-verse is 11/line. But for some reason Diirghatamas, the son of Ucathya and Maamateya, has only 10 of them on the first line of Rgveda I 164, 39: R-co a-kSa-re pa-ra-me vyo-man To add injury to insult, the form 'vyoman' is a crippled form of the regular locative singular, 'vyomani', The omission of the final syllable is archaic as in `parame vyoman' which should really be `parame vyomani'. http://www.srisharada.com/Vivekafinal/394%20-408.pdf of the word, whose basic form, or nominative singular is, we believe, 'vyomaa'. 'vyomaa': Its the Sky Mother obviously, or the Universal Yoni, or the Eternal Unbounded field (the 'home' or vessel' for of all the laws of nature.) 'Vyomaa', the Atma, which must have the energy of Bhuddi (an impulse of creative intelligence) in order to take form. Nice post OffWorld! Is Heaven the Unified Field? According to this derivation heaven would be conceived as the roof of the world. Others trace a connection between 'himin' (heaven) and 'home'. According to this view, which seems to be the more probable, heaven would be the abode of the Godhead. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07170a.htm I believe that human words all mean the same few basic things, based on the fact that the universe exists by virtue of the interaction of a few fundamental energies. I think humans make a dozen or more words for the same things, and it is the loss of this simplicity of life that has caused all the strife and disagreement (the tower of Babel (babble) that we build and confuse the languages of men.) Heaven just means something like home of all the laws of nature, the Devas. In the Western traditions it is where the angels (root: angirasas/agni) and the Godhead exist, just like in the 'Richo Akshare' verse of the Vedas that Cardmeister quoted. The Godhead is just the wholeness of all the others, that is more than the sum of its parts. Beautiful, thanks. So why did you call the transcendental field translation crap?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Israel Drawing Plans for Iran Attack'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter larry.potter@ wrote: From: MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 1/10/07 12:02:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, jflanegi@ writes: Take a chill pill. I sincerely doubt Iran would ever invade or attack Israel. The rhetoric from their prez is spun to make it seem that way, but it ain't gonna happen. As usual, the US is scaring the crap out of some country, and when the country reacts, we say Oh they are getting ready for an attack!. The only two countries in the last ten years to invade other countries are the US and Israel. Yeah, I'll take a chill pill but you need a reality check. Hezzbola and Hamas picked a fight with Israel this past summer who were supported directly by Iran probably for the purpose of getting Iran and their nuclear program off the front pages while the E 8 met in Moscow. No, Iran isn't going to invade Israel, not with an American army in between them and not when they have their proxy Hezzbola to do it for them. Jim also forgets that the recent Israel-Lebanon war occurred after Lebanon via Hezbollah invaded Israel and started a war cycle. The conflict began when Hezbollah fired Katyusha rockets and mortars at Israeli military positions and border villages, diverting attention from another Hezbollah unit that crossed the border and abducted two Israeli soldiers and killed three others.[1] Israeli troops attempted to rescue the abducted soldiers but were unsuccessful. .. On 11 August 2006, the United Nations Security Council unanimously approved UN Resolution 1701 in an effort to end the hostilities. The resolution, which was approved by both Lebanese and Israeli governments the following days, called for disarmament of Hezbollah, for withdrawal of Israel from Lebanon... (wikipedia.org) Israel kept it's part of the 1701 resolution, while Hezbollah didn't, in fact every day under the eye of the UN, Hezbollah is getting weapons mainly from Iran and Syria. Absolutely, though I think more approriate would be to say that the Israeli defense kicked into action AFTER Iran via Hezbollah - with the government and people of Lebanon as hostages - embarked on indiscriminate killing by shooting rockets into Israel. I draw my conclusions partly from the numbers of dead. Israel though they have a much better PR engine kills ten to one hundred times more enemies than their enemies do of them, yet they always position themselves as the victims. Are you seriously expecting people now to be shamed into silence for the Israelis for being better soldiers? That's probably one of the most antisemitic and un-American attitudes statements I've come across in this collection of dysfunctional humans. Ever heard of the Stockholm syndrome?
