[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: This is the reason why Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden of Eden. Are you INSANE? Adam and Eve never existed. Nor did the Garden of Eden. These are all *stories* made up to entertain stupid people. Oedipus put his eyes out because he realized he had married his own mother. Clearly you seem to BE one. The fox said the grapes were sour because he was pissed off that he couldn't reach them. You're ALSO the person who trots out equally made-up stories from the Gita or the Vedas to excuse inexcusable actions or beliefs. Those stories never happened, either, and those people never existed. They're MYTHS. King Midas died of starvation because he had prayed for the power to turn everything he touched to gold. The good part about myths is that they can be used to teach concepts. The bad part about myths is that stupid people tend to believe that the stories really happened. And then there are the utterly hopeless nitwits like Barry who can't tell the difference between someone citing a myth to make a point about what it teaches, and insisting the myth really happened. (This is especially likely to be a source of confusion when the hopeless nitwit has a desperate need, like Barry, to put somebody down to make himself feel More Important. Sometimes these nitwits are so driven they hallucinate that *EVERYBODY* is insisting the myth really happened even when *nobody* is.) And then they trot out the myths AS IF they really happened, and use them to excuse their bigotry, hatred, and homophobia, as John just did above. Actually, I don't believe the Adam and Eve myth had anything to do with homosexuality. At least, not the one in the Bible that John is referring to. And the as if is in Barry's mind, not in John's, as is the hatred. That's where the accusations of bigotry and homophobia come from. Judy, Excellent observation. You picked my point precisely. One person here on the forum doesn't seem to get it. I think Barry must have had a harrowing work week and needs to scream at folks here so he doesn't end up screaming at his boss. I do disagree with you about Liberace, however, in that for him, choosing not to have gay sex would have very likely been the equivalent of choosing to have *no* sex. I do not believe, if there is a God, that God would ask that of homosexuals; nor do I believe that's what the biblical verses interpreted to mean homosexual behavior is a sin actually mean. Judy, I did not intend to make a judgement on Liberace's sexual persuasion. My point was that he took a chance to engage in gay sex. It just so happened that he was exposing himself to a risky behavior which resulted in his acquiring AIDs. I will let the preachers and gurus judge as to the morality of gay sexual activity. However, one can say that some people have a natural predisposition for liking people of the same gender. But they don't necessarily have to have gay sex to satisfy their desire.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Wagging the Dog?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Seems our fearless leader now wants to get more involved in Syria. Especially in support of those head chopping Syrian rebels who have pledged allegiance to al-Qaeda. That's right the same al-Qaeda who we've been told all these years are our enemy and spent trillions in Afghanistan trying to annihilate. Seems to me ol' Barrack is wagging the dog to try to get attention off the American STASI spying on us. I don't think it is going to work. http://www.freep.com/article/20130614/NEWS15/306140065/Syrian-rebels-pledge-loyalty-to-al-Qaeda The only lesson you can learn from history is that no one learns anything from history. The only reason there is so much islamic terrorism now is because we armed the mujahideen for our proxy war with Russia in the 80's. After the war they went home taking jihad with them. Now we want to arm the people we fight everywhere else to have a go at someone we don't like even more. Tears before bedtime.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dwarf Planet Astrology
(Salyavin, see my response to you below my comments to Barry.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: (snip) I like your style. A gauntlet tossed effortlessly to the ground, Yes, those gauntlets are so huge and heavy that being able to toss them to the ground effortlessly is a truly impressive feat. (guffaw) challenging the person who has only one post left to a duel. Uh, Barry, I challenged *him* (and Xeno). (Don'cha just love the mental image of Barry obsessively counting my posts, even as late as Thursday? He's done it every single week for *years*.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Dwarf Planet Astrology Regarding your *devastating* critique of astrology... You know, they really do not *want* to learn anything about the actual principles of astrology. Do tell us about the actual principles that I haven't understood in all these years reading about it. Did you not read what PaliGap wrote? They want to be able to cast it as a simplistic and patently ridiculous pseudoscience, because then they can make arrogant, mocking criticisms of both the system and its adherents. And they enjoy that; it lets them feel all superior. Arrogant? I think not, it's all rather good humoured actually. Maybe you're just a bad loser? No, see, you and the other arrogant, ignorant critics are the losers. And I'm not even a proponent of the validity of astrology. It's not that astrology is immune to criticism on the basis of its actual principles; it's that it takes more thought and isn't nearly as much fun. You mean it takes more invention? More invention than your criticisms involve? To make them, you've invented a whole system of astrology that has nothing to do with the real one. Good post. It won't help, though. It won't help because it doesn't answer any questions. Well, yes, it does. It obviates the points you've been making about fields and causation and the fact that astrology doesn't reflect the actual physical solar system, as well as your focus on requiring predictive accuracy. It just tries to invoke another way of accounting for something that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. It doesn't account for the system of astrology that you've invented, that's for sure. The concept PaliGap describes--As above, so below-- is ancient, BTW, not some modern rationalization. From a later post to PaliGap: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: (snip) You can claim it's got nothing to do with planets until you are blue in the face Nobody's claiming that. You've misunderstood something. Of course it has to do with planets. (snip) As I say in a post to Ravi, you may not want to make predictions but if the position of planets indicates (by whatever mechanism or metaphysics) a predisposition for a particular illness then you should be able to predict that illness in others with a similar planetary arrangement in their chart. Simple enough. Simple enough in the simplistic system of astrology you've invented for the purpose of arrogant criticism. But this would absolutely not be the case in *real* astrology. A similar planetary arrangement might mean quite different things in different charts. (For that matter, most Western astrologers, at least, would not predict a predisposition for a *particular* illness but rather for an illness related to a specific body system--e.g., digestion--or body part--e.g., eyes. And it would likely be characterized as a *weakness* in that area or system of the body.)
[FairfieldLife] YS word of June: viveka / vivekin , part 1
II 15: pariNAmatApasa.nskAraduHkhairguNavR^ittivirodhAchcha duHkhameva sarva.n vivekinaH .. 15.. II 15: pariNaama-taapasaMskaara-duHkhaiH; guNa-vRitti-virodhaat; ca duHkham eva sarvaM vivekinaH II 26: viveka-khyAtiraviplavA hAnopAyaH II 26: viveka-khyaatiH; aviplava haana-upaayaH II 28: yogA~NgAnuShThAnAdashuddhikShaye j~nAnadIptirA vivekakhyAteH II 28: yoga-a.nga-anuSThaanaat; ashuddhi-kShaye j~naana-diiptiH; aa viveka-khyaateH III 52: kShaNatatkramayoH sa.nyamAdvivekaja.n j~nAnam.III 52: kSaNa-tat-kramayoH saMyamaat; vivekajam; j~nAnam. III 54: taarakam; sarva-viSayam; sarvathaa-viSayam akramam; ca iti vivekajam; j~nAnam. IV 26: tadaa viveka-nimnam; kaivalya-praag-bhaaram; cittam IV 29: prasaMkhyaane 'py akusiidasya sarvathaa viveka-khyaater dharma-meghaH samAdhiH IV 29: prasaMkhyaane; api; akusiidasya sarvathaa viveka-khyaateH; dharma-meghaH samAdhiH
[FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis
You are probably thinking about an emotional attachment, or a mood of being detached. This is far more basic, the conditioning of the mind, that accompanies a non-local identity. It is the need to retain a local identity, being attached to a local identity, that leads to belief systems, and the mental condition of attachment. Attachment is not a liability until it is recognized. Until then, it is what passes for ordinary life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Yep, the data always gets in, in the same way, every time. But to hold onto what makes sense after the moment is gone, is attachment. The same data, as used for continuous learning and discovery, is instead used to reinforce a limited identity, a belief system. Like a transmission trying to operate, with glue in the gears. Attachment. I personally believe attachment is overrated as a liability. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: but but but, Doc...all observations and therefore all learning are filtered through our preconceived notions, our conditioning, the physical condition of our brains and bodies, and if nothing else, our sense of who we like to think we are, probably the most insidious of all. Maybe why we like jyotish so much (-: From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 7:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis  No - Beliefs are based on attachment. *Learning* is built on observations. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: salyavin, I know of two jyotishis who made predictions about the last US election. Yep, one chose Obama and one chose Romney. Does that mean that Obama chooser is the better jyotishi? And what if it does? Why does that matter? Because basically we humans want to be happy. So even when we're infants, we become little scientists, observing what we need to do in order to be happy, making adjustments here and there along the way. We could even use turq's analogy of surfing the waves. We all want to be happy while surfing the waves of life. Now Adyashanti says deeper than the impulse to seek pleasure and avoid pain is the impulse to awaken. Whoops, I got into rereading his book The End of Your World.àHe also says that you can't have truth without love and you can't have love without truth. But I guess this is off topic ha ha. Anyway, at this point I'm wondering about knowledge and science and belief. Firstly I think we all agree that there are only probabilities of certainty. Meaning that not even science knows anything with 100% certainty. It seems like the main difference is that some thinkers think that direct observation is the way to the most valid knowledge. While other thinkers think that the knowledge of trusted others also has high validity. One assumes that that is also based on observation. Meaning, aren't even beliefs based on observations? From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Oh dear scientific salyavin, I am the only one who's doing the heavy lifting in favor of astrology here and I wasn't even too interested in the first place. I have clearly articulated the scope, parameters of how I use astrology and the goals I have. Considering the limitations of astrology and the reputation of astrology I have a very scientific approach that you should be proud of salyavin !!! You surely missed the generous compliments Ann, raunchy, Share, Steve, Jim, LG, empty bill and others (non-active posters) offline have directed my way. Surely this is not some dumb, naive audience I'm dealing with here. Generous compliments mean nothing as far as whether astrology has any actual reality outside of you saying nice things about people you've been interacting with for *years* on a chat forum. That people believe it is no surprise to me, people still believe in god etc. People can be weird in how they chose to see the world. Approval, eternal life and predictability are going to feature pretty high on most people wish list of things they'd like to be true. That you may have a handle on personality analysis says nothing about the working of horoscopes as they are open to interpretation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: Any planetary influence will affect you whether you are in the womb or out of it. Birth is purely symbolic as far as the baby is concerned, it's fully formed in there. http://youtu.be/0emeaSF6uPY
[FairfieldLife] Re: someone who understands M.E.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Michael, you have the right idea. Leading a good wholesome life and learning from your mistakes and challenges. Being a better person when you leave than when you came. Growing more aware and accomplished. While you have a deep resentment for TM or anything to do with M, I see it(TM) as *greasing the skids*. You still have to pull a weight through life but TM can make it a lot easier. In the early days of the TM movement M always said it wasn't necessary to change anything about your life, just add TM. Didn't need to adopt a new religion etc. TM would make you better at whatever you were or did. It greases the skids of evolution. Amen. To me, religion hopping , living other cultures, whatever, is avoiding one's dharma. If you don't learn what you were supposed to learn, you might have to go through the same thing again. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: someone who understands M.E. Â real dharma is supposed to be that action which is most evolutionary in any given moment, which for me is eating venison (I did for lunch), visiting with my daughter tomorrow and watching Warehouse 13 with her and her mother on Sunday might, oh and also my dharma is also not doing TM ever again in this life or any other - in fact, I am so powerful in my dharma that my not doing TMSP counteracts the effect of all the people sleeping in the Golden Domes of Pure Knowledge. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: someone who understands M.E. Â Just as a question, what exactly is it that makeseither Maharishi or the Bhagavad-Gita an authority,one whose opinion should be valued or followed asif it were truth?While we're at it, since both of you are talking about dharma as if it were a Done Deal, and youunderstand what it is, what is it? Define dharma for us. If you can't, please tell us who or what you believeIS capable of defining dharma, and telling someonewhether their actions are either in accord with it or not in accord with it. And follow up by telling us why you believe this who or what should beregarded as an authority. Thanks in advance...--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Mike I think Maharishi says better one's own dharma than the dharma of another though higher. The dharma of another brings danger. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: someone who understands M.E. Be true to your dharma. You don't have to become a Hindu, Buddhist or anything you weren't born as to enjoy it. Doesn't M say in the Gita, better to observe your own dharma poorly, than someone elses, well? From: Buck dhamiltony2k5@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 6:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: someone who understands M.E. ÃÂ Anywhere, anytime, anybody who is looking for this knowledge must get it, because the Absolute is not for a single race, colour, creed or nation. --Swami Shantanand Saraswati Scientific research shows that even small groups of people meditating (as little as the square root of one percent of the population) can quietly transform trends in society from conflict and enmity to peace and cooperation. Yes, the Meissner Effect --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Origins of the ME and the TM western millenarian movement: There is a much better way of helping others. It is not to have the desire as such but to meditate so purely that there is such a wealth of goodness in the individual that anyone who is in need can come and get it naturally. In this way it will be abundantly available to everyone, very much like the sun which does not direct its light to any single place, but anyone who wants to have help or light from the sun can take it. So the better way is to have finer energy or more Sattva in oneself; this can be used by anybody who needs it. --Swami Shantanand Saraswati Quote Source: book in LB Shriver's reading library,Good CompanyAn Anthology ofsayings, stories, andanswers to questions of His Holiness Shantanand Saraswati[Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math] The Luminary who followed Guru Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswatias Shankaracharya.Do See FFL post #345760
[FairfieldLife] Re: someone who understands M.E.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Are you an intentional agent or a robot? If you cannot find out, it will make no difference. You're not sure if you're a robot? Sheesh, Ravi's going to have fun with that. I think I know I'm not. I think you know you're not too. I think we know that prior to anything else we know. That's probably prior in the sense of logically prior. If you were a robot you could not *believe* anything. Or *have a view*. Only a robot containing a homunculus can do that. My computer has no homunculus. It doesn't know it's not a person. It not even doesn't know 'nuttin'. It simply *isn't*.
[FairfieldLife] Re: YS word of June: viveka / vivekin , part 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: II 15: pariNAmatApasa.nskAraduHkhairguNavR^ittivirodhAchcha duHkhameva sarva.n vivekinaH .. 15.. Some translations: [HA]: The Discriminating Persons Apprehend (By Analysis And Anticipation) All Worldly Objects As Sorrowful Because They Cause Suffering In Consequence, In Their Afflictive Experiences And In Their Latencies And Also Because Of The Contrary Nature Of The Gunas (Which Produces Changes All The Time). [IT]: To the people who have developed discrimination all is misery on account of the pains resulting from change, anxiety and tendencies, as also on account of the conflicts between the functioning of the Gunas and the Vrttis (of the mind). [VH]: [BM]: All life is suffering for a man of discrimination, because of the sufferings inherant in change and its corrupting subliminal impression, and because of the way qualities of material nature turn against themselves. [SS]: To one of discrimination, everything is painful indeed, due to its consequences: the anxiety and fear over losing what is gained; the resulting impressions left in the mind to create renewed cravings; and the constant conflict among the three gunas, which control the mind. [SP]: But the man of spiritual discrimination regards al these experiences as painful. For even the enjoyment o present pleasure is painful, since we already fear it loss. Past pleasure is painful because renewed craving! arise from the impressions it has left upon the mind And how can any happiness be lasting if it depends only upon our moods? For these moods are constantly changing, as one or another of the ever-warring gunas seizes control of the mind. [SV]: To the discriminating, all is, as it were, painful on account of everything bringing pain, either in the consequences, or in apprehension, or in attitude caused by impressions, also on account of the counter action of qualities.
[FairfieldLife] Re: someone who understands M.E.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: MMY was asked (I've seen the video) what his lifestyle was, and he looked very surprised as he slowly said that he was a householder. That's interesting, you don't happen to remember where in the sea of tapes this might be ? It certainly gives meaning. A householder has responsibilities, unlike a monk who is free. And since Maharishi has resposebility not only for his own students, but according to Muktananda the whole world consciousness the word householder in this case certainly makes sense. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: I have to admit, he did run the TMO like a business, not sure what business model that was.LOL! Buddha wasn't a Brahmin either, just another Kshatriya, Jesus, a carpenter, not a Levite. I think once you've fulfilled your dharma, you are obligated to help others. I've never seen M as a priest but a monk and anybody can be a monk, even a poor one.Being a monk is it's own dharma.  Don't know if he ever took formal vows. I take it that he didn't.He said to take them before one is ready is not good and it puts limitations on what one can do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dwarf Planet Astrology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: (Salyavin, see my response to you below my comments to Barry.) Simple enough in the simplistic system of astrology you've invented for the purpose of arrogant criticism. But this would absolutely not be the case in *real* astrology. A similar planetary arrangement might mean quite different things in different charts. LOL, do please tell me what *real* astrologers think, other than the ones I've got my ideas from, like the TMO jyotishees, western astrology books and readings and all the failed attempts at proving scientifically that there is something happening by the great many astrologers that have actually *tried* to prove they have a system based on planetary positions at birth that can make predictions about personality and life chances and timing of life events. All of whom failed I repeat. That you accuse me of making up other peoples claims is bizarre, I'm just responding to what other people think is true. That you realise the original and persistent ideas of astrology are untenable is pleasing to me but you seem to have replaced it something that has the same effect but an even more esoteric mechanism that you have so far refused to share. Come on Jude, the world wants to know! That you accuse me of arrogance is interesting, I'm just pointing out that you need a signal to measure and a mechanism to explain it. Neither exists that we know of. It's a surreal idea you have that it's got nothing to do with planets because the very first thing *any* astrologer does is make a chart of planetary positions at the time of your birth. As I tried to explain to Paligap it doesn't matter if the planets are or aren't exerting a force or if the whole solar system is evolving like a clockwork synchronicty machine, if you have no signal - no direct hits beyond that you would get from chance - then you have no mechanism either so why quibble about terms? (For that matter, most Western astrologers, at least, would not predict a predisposition for a *particular* illness but rather for an illness related to a specific body system--e.g., digestion--or body part--e.g., eyes. And it would likely be characterized as a *weakness* in that area or system of the body.) Ah yes, the vague approach. We can claim we had a hit if he dies but claim that other planetary influences saved him if he survives. Clever, don't ever pin yourself down. You should maybe examine your motives in why you want to spend so much time defending this nonsense. My guess is you had a flattering chart done that promises all sorts of good things to come. Don't worry, we all get that one.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Wagging the Dog?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Seems our fearless leader now wants to get more involved in Syria. Especially in support of those head chopping Syrian rebels who have pledged allegiance to al-Qaeda. That's right the same al-Qaeda who we've been told all these years are our enemy and spent trillions in Afghanistan trying to annihilate. Seems to me ol' Barrack is wagging the dog to try to get attention off the American STASI spying on us. I don't think it is going to work. http://www.freep.com/article/20130614/NEWS15/306140065/Syrian-rebels-pledge-loyalty-to-al-Qaeda The only lesson you can learn from history is that no one learns anything from history. The only reason there is so much islamic terrorism now is because we armed the mujahideen for our proxy war with Russia in the 80's. After the war they went home taking jihad with them. Now we want to arm the people we fight everywhere else to have a go at someone we don't like even more. Tears before bedtime. What the world needs now is lots more meditation. This is a fight for equal rights for all. That is the history lesson of science and modernism. Look, the Assad regime is a secular regime hold out against iron-age jihad extremism. Our only chance of getting more meditation in there to fight those religious nuts with a strong counter-valence of consciousness would be to support the people of Syria against these outsider insurgents that so called *opposition* that Sen. McCain wants to back with arms. We should instead be sending in teams of peace. Mobilize Peace Squads to that whole region to help defend secularism against religion. Make Syria an ally in this war for a lasting peace with meditation. -Buck in the Dome http://www.cyberwarzone.com/english-transcript-president-assads-speech-january-062013
[FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: Any planetary influence will affect you whether you are in the womb or out of it. Birth is purely symbolic as far as the baby is concerned, it's fully formed in there. http://youtu.be/0emeaSF6uPY Yup, that's a lot easier than thinking.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in the end, he did and was fatal. Please relate for us the story of the day you made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve! Think harmony with the laws of nature Turq, harmony. Adam and Eve huh? You know, if god made Eve out of Adam's rib then they shared DNA, which makes them brother and sister. Which is incest. Now *that* is a law of nature being broken! Almost everyone even in Minnesota might well know, that that's based on mistranslation of a Hebrew word! Has everyone on this forum LOST THEIR MINDS? Well, perhaps but not everyone is talking about or evidently believes in the existence of Adam and Eve once upon a time. Adam and Eve is a MYTH. Of course it is, I am not sure there is one person here who doesn't think so. As is God. That, of course, is less obviously so. As is the concept of anyone, anywhere, at any point in time knowing what the Laws Of Nature are. Perhaps not the concept but most likely the 'reality'. Are you sure Laws of Nature actually exist? And if so, how do they differ from the laws of physics? Someday I'd love for homophobes to actually come out and be HONEST. They hate the idea of gay sex because either they've been taught to by generations of homo- phobes before them, many of them posing as religious leaders claiming to know things that no human can know (and many of them closet homosexuals themselves), or they're terrified that THEY might have had a few gay sex impulses themselves, or both. I don't believe that you are really, in actual fact, interested in hearing or knowing this. It is pure theoretical postulating on your part. You no more want to sit and listen to a homophobe be 'honest' than you want your Jyotish chart done by Ravi. Such beliefs strike me as an INSULT to the very idea of God, if one believed in one. How could *anyone* imagine that a God would be such a micromanager and such a prude that He/She/It would give a shit what any of His/Her/Its creations do with their convex or concave parts. After all, He/She/It created over 1,500 species on planet Earth that display homosexual behavior. There is no God, Barry, so this argument is moot. Ann, You seem to believe that this statement is true. Can you prove it? I absolutely don't believe that statement. I was riffing off Barry's no God assertion. In my world, in my reality, there is most definitely a God and a very personal one at that. Ann, That's nice to hear then. Just wanted to verify what was being said. In that case, Barry might put you in his S list. Alas, I fear I am on Barry's multiple lists that include also his: 1) BS list 2) His They're In The Wrong Clique list 3) His I Never Read The Bitch's Posts list 4) His Women I Despise list 5) His Those to Be Berated Randomly When I Feel Like It list 6) The list of Those Who Should Hate Their Ex Cult Leader But Don't So are Patsies 7) And finally his list of Those Who Evidently are Richer Than I Am So They Must be Spoiled Brats. Other than that I think Barry really likes me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: someone who understands M.E.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: MMY was asked (I've seen the video) what his lifestyle was, and he looked very surprised as he slowly said that he was a householder. bug I also heard him say, when asked questions about marriage, that he was not a householder and therefore could not comment. I heard him say he was a monk. That's interesting, you don't happen to remember where in the sea of tapes this might be ? It certainly gives meaning. A householder has responsibilities, unlike a monk who is free. And since Maharishi has resposebility not only for his own students, but according to Muktananda the whole world consciousness the word householder in this case certainly makes sense. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: I have to admit, he did run the TMO like a business, not sure what business model that was.LOL! Buddha wasn't a Brahmin either, just another Kshatriya, Jesus, a carpenter, not a Levite. I think once you've fulfilled your dharma, you are obligated to help others. I've never seen M as a priest but a monk and anybody can be a monk, even a poor one.Being a monk is it's own dharma.  Don't know if he ever took formal vows. I take it that he didn't.He said to take them before one is ready is not good and it puts limitations on what one can do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: This is the reason why Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden of Eden. Are you INSANE? Adam and Eve never existed. Nor did the Garden of Eden. These are all *stories* made up to entertain stupid people. Oedipus put his eyes out because he realized he had married his own mother. Clearly you seem to BE one. The fox said the grapes were sour because he was pissed off that he couldn't reach them. You're ALSO the person who trots out equally made-up stories from the Gita or the Vedas to excuse inexcusable actions or beliefs. Those stories never happened, either, and those people never existed. They're MYTHS. King Midas died of starvation because he had prayed for the power to turn everything he touched to gold. The good part about myths is that they can be used to teach concepts. The bad part about myths is that stupid people tend to believe that the stories really happened. And then there are the utterly hopeless nitwits like Barry who can't tell the difference between someone citing a myth to make a point about what it teaches, and insisting the myth really happened. (This is especially likely to be a source of confusion when the hopeless nitwit has a desperate need, like Barry, to put somebody down to make himself feel More Important. Sometimes these nitwits are so driven they hallucinate that *EVERYBODY* is insisting the myth really happened even when *nobody* is.) And then they trot out the myths AS IF they really happened, and use them to excuse their bigotry, hatred, and homophobia, as John just did above. Actually, I don't believe the Adam and Eve myth had anything to do with homosexuality. At least, not the one in the Bible that John is referring to. And the as if is in Barry's mind, not in John's, as is the hatred. That's where the accusations of bigotry and homophobia come from. Judy, Excellent observation. You picked my point precisely. One person here on the forum doesn't seem to get it. I think Barry must have had a harrowing work week and needs to scream at folks here so he doesn't end up screaming at his boss. I do disagree with you about Liberace, however, in that for him, choosing not to have gay sex would have very likely been the equivalent of choosing to have *no* sex. I do not believe, if there is a God, that God would ask that of homosexuals; nor do I believe that's what the biblical verses interpreted to mean homosexual behavior is a sin actually mean. Judy, I did not intend to make a judgement on Liberace's sexual persuasion. My point was that he took a chance to engage in gay sex. It just so happened that he was exposing himself to a risky behavior which resulted in his acquiring AIDs. So did his Jyotish reading indicate he was a risk taker? A sexual risk taker in particular or just someone like any other person who is willing to climb a mountain, jump big jumps on horses, become a Fireman, join the military, become a prostitute - all risky behaviour? Of course, gay sex is not necessarily riskier than hetero sex - just ask those Doctors treating millions of people with AIDS in Africa, for example. Patient 0 in North America just happened to have been a gay man. I will let the preachers and gurus judge as to the morality of gay sexual activity. However, one can say that some people have a natural predisposition for liking people of the same gender. But they don't necessarily have to have gay sex to satisfy their desire. And those who love members of the opposite sex don't have to engage in hetero sex but it is a natural and common thing to do and will continue to happen as long as humans continue to walk the Earth. Not having sex with someone who is available, attractive, willing and who you perhaps love beyond friendship is as easy and natural as falling off a stool. Just ask Nabby (or Card when he's shunning the gluten). Gay sex, straight sex equals sex and people like it - alot.
[FairfieldLife] Le Creme de la Creme
Sometimes when I am bored, I find stuff on the web: Creme is a marginalized figure even amongst his fellow New Age devotees; most likely because of his insistence upon an imminent appearance of a self-proclaimed Messiah. In many ways, Theosophy as whole has suffered the same fate. It’s not the late 1800s - or even the 1960s or ’70s or ’80s - anymore. Nowadays, with a claim that spectacular, if anything, the internet would have him for breakfast! “Prove it, Punk!” would likely be the standard refrain. Now, I fully realize that Maitreya fits certain biblical descriptions of the Antichrist, everyone familiar with both subjects recognizes this - Creme et al. included. Further, it is a legitimate area of investigation, in whatever manner you wish to approach it. But Creme has long proven himself a joke. He’s getting old too and there’s very limited time left to fleece his meager, credulous flock. Creme was always at the outskirts of the Theosophical crowd, and hardly achieved anything of importance. For example, in his monumental work on the New Age, False Dawn, Lee Penn spends a total of a paragraph and a half (and two footnotes) discussing Benjamin Creme and his Share International (pp. 314, 418, 462) - as basic an outline as possible. Likewise, esoteric scholar Wouter J. Hanegraaff, in his New Age Religion and Western Culture, devotes but one sentence on Creme (p. 101). So, with that, I’d rather just close with an excerpt from a cleverly written article I came across by Ron Rosenbaum of The New York Observer: You know of Benjamin Creme, right, and his relation to Jesus, and you know about Benjamin Creme’s prophetic function in regard to the coming of the Super Fifth Degree Master and Teacher, the great and mighty all-powerful Maitreya, who outranks Jesus himself, right? Well, don’t feel bad if you don’t. To recognize the name Benjamin Creme, you probably have to be, as I am, an assiduous student of New Age rhetoric and literature (I believe in what Stephen Greenblatt first called a “poetics of culture” before it was renamed and mass-marketed to grad students as “the New Historicism”). Anyway, while following New Age trends and obsessions, I noticed that Benjamin Creme was always a little on the fringes of the New Age guru circuit, but the guy seemed to have staying power. He always seemed to turn up in the New Age lecture calendars, a distinguished-looking gentleman who had something to say about the Second Coming of the Christ. I recall something about Jesus having already come back, that he was living quietly in London, awaiting recognition. I somehow had the impression—mistaken, I now realize—that he was implicitly suggesting that he was Jesus (he lived in London). But I guess it was more a matter of him having inside info on the London Christ’s plans for revealing himself. It gets confusing, and I could be wrong, but after listening to his appearance on Coast to Coast AM recently, I got the impression that Benjamin Creme’s emphasis has shifted from Jesus to an entity called Maitreya, who outranks Jesus in the Ascended Master hierarchy. Benjamin Creme is apparently in “telepathic contact” with one of the Fourth Degree Masters and in sporadic contact with the Master of All Masters, this dude Maitreya, who’s planning to reveal himself and set us all straight so that all humanity will start caring and sharing like the great big family we all are. About time. I have to admit that listening to Benjamin Creme being interviewed by George Noory on Coast to Coast AM was a little frustrating. (Mr. Noory said that after Mr. Creme’s last appearance, a number of listeners called in to say they’d become physically ill afterward because they felt something coming through the radio. And there was some discussion of whether or not Maitreya might be the Antichrist). Mr. Creme was somewhat evasive about who the hell this Maitreya might be, what his deal is, why he doesn’t manifest himself already aside from sporadic appearances in other people’s bodies, like that time in Nairobi. (Mr. Creme’s Web site, in case you want to try to figure it out, is www.shareintl.org.) There was some dialogue on whether Maitreya had “suspended” his visits. Or whether he was coming “very soon,” and also what exactly he was coming for and why he was waiting. I mean, if we need help from a Teacher to get us caring and sharing, couldn’t he have shown up in, say, 1914? So there was a bit of vagueness, and I could see maybe this was the way Benjamin Creme had become such a perennial icon on the guru circuit for so long: He wasn’t giving a lot away. And as long as he just brings news of Maitreya’s imminent arrival but the Big Guy never shows up, Benjamin Creme is still The Man. But it just makes you wonder: What would it be like to be Benjamin Creme? It’s the old deception versus self-deception thing. You gotta admire the guy’s persistence, but out on the road, in
[FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: You are probably thinking about an emotional attachment, or a mood of being detached. This is far more basic, the conditioning of the mind, that accompanies a non-local identity. It is the need to retain a local identity, being attached to a local identity, that leads to belief systems, and the mental condition of attachment. Attachment is not a liability until it is recognized. Until then, it is what passes for ordinary life. First, I need to define attachment for myself. Then I need to apply it to various contexts in my life and decide how it might change given what the attachment is relating to. There are lots of ways to look at attachment and it can morph all the time into different things. Attachment CAN be binding depending upon what that attachment is attached to. Let's use the example of how one might view oneself and one's actions day to day. If one is limited to certain views or concepts of who they are, what they are capable of then this could be a sign of attachment to an IDEA and this becomes limiting/binding. Attachment can also be something else that I could define as something more akin to love or a feeling of endearment or placing a high value on something. It is a fine line sometimes with attachment. I think attachment can blind/bind but it can also motivate one to great demonstrations of loyalty, devotion and fidelity. Like I said, it is one of those things that are multi faceted. It is a sort of proverbial double-edged sword but for me it is not something I reject or believe to be insidious in my life. I mean, attachments are a little like spider webs; one minute there is a big juicy fly stuck in it and the next they are ripped apart by an errant branch or human passing by. Attachments get broken by life, the forces at work in my life, all the time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Yep, the data always gets in, in the same way, every time. But to hold onto what makes sense after the moment is gone, is attachment. The same data, as used for continuous learning and discovery, is instead used to reinforce a limited identity, a belief system. Like a transmission trying to operate, with glue in the gears. Attachment. I personally believe attachment is overrated as a liability. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: but but but, Doc...all observations and therefore all learning are filtered through our preconceived notions, our conditioning, the physical condition of our brains and bodies, and if nothing else, our sense of who we like to think we are, probably the most insidious of all. Maybe why we like jyotish so much (-: From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 7:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis  No - Beliefs are based on attachment. *Learning* is built on observations. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: salyavin, I know of two jyotishis who made predictions about the last US election. Yep, one chose Obama and one chose Romney. Does that mean that Obama chooser is the better jyotishi? And what if it does? Why does that matter? Because basically we humans want to be happy. So even when we're infants, we become little scientists, observing what we need to do in order to be happy, making adjustments here and there along the way. We could even use turq's analogy of surfing the waves. We all want to be happy while surfing the waves of life. Now Adyashanti says deeper than the impulse to seek pleasure and avoid pain is the impulse to awaken. Whoops, I got into rereading his book The End of Your World.àHe also says that you can't have truth without love and you can't have love without truth. But I guess this is off topic ha ha. Anyway, at this point I'm wondering about knowledge and science and belief. Firstly I think we all agree that there are only probabilities of certainty. Meaning that not even science knows anything with 100% certainty. It seems like the main difference is that some thinkers think that direct observation is the way to the most valid knowledge. While other thinkers think that the knowledge of trusted others also has high validity. One assumes that that is also based on observation. Meaning, aren't even beliefs based on observations? From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Le Creme de la Creme
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Sometimes when I am bored, I find stuff on the web: You know of Benjamin Creme, right, and his relation to Jesus, and you know about Benjamin Cremeâs prophetic function in regard to the coming of the Super Fifth Degree Master and Teacher, the great and mighty all-powerful Maitreya, who outranks Jesus himself, right? Wrong, Maitreya is a 7'th degree Master. Guru Dev is a 6'th degree Master. If you're bored and obviously obsessed with people like Mr. Benjamin Creme, at least you could get the facts straight. He always seemed to turn up in the New Age lecture calendars, a distinguished-looking gentleman who had something to say about the Second Coming of the Christ. I recall something about Jesus having already come back, that he was living quietly in London, awaiting recognition. Wrong again, Jesus never lived in London. Since you obviously are unable to get even the simplest information correctly I suggest that you start some self-study: http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Le Creme de la Creme
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Sometimes when I am bored, I find stuff on the web: You know of Benjamin Creme, right, and his relation to Jesus, and you know about Benjamin Cremeâs prophetic function in regard to the coming of the Super Fifth Degree Master and Teacher, the great and mighty all-powerful Maitreya, who outranks Jesus himself, right? Wrong, Maitreya is a 7'th degree Master. Guru Dev is a 6'th degree Master. If you're bored and obviously obsessed with people like Mr. Benjamin Creme, at least you could get the facts straight. Ah, what's 2 degrees of masterdom between friends? I'd find this Maitreya an easier figure to rally round if I knew who he/she was. Even if they just collected the interviews so we could see the wisdom, people would be a bit more enthusiastic I'm sure. Why the secrecy? You can only hold our enthusiastic attention for so long you know He always seemed to turn up in the New Age lecture calendars, a distinguished-looking gentleman who had something to say about the Second Coming of the Christ. I recall something about Jesus having already come back, that he was living quietly in London, awaiting recognition. Wrong again, Jesus never lived in London. True enough, I just visit at weekends. Since you obviously are unable to get even the simplest information correctly I suggest that you start some self-study: http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: So did his [Liberace's] Jyotish reading indicate he was a risk taker? A sexual risk taker in particular or just someone like any other person who is willing to climb a mountain, jump big jumps on horses, become a Fireman, join the military, become a prostitute - all risky behaviour? Of course, gay sex is not necessarily riskier than hetero sex - just ask those Doctors treating millions of people with AIDS in Africa, for example. Patient 0 in North America just happened to have been a gay man. Worse, because it contributed to the ongoing prejudice against gays, a gay man who was also a rather promiscuous flight attendant. He became a one-man pandemic, a Typhoid Mary for our times. Had the AIDS virus infected Warren Beatty, who claims to have had sex with hundreds and perhaps thousands of women (he can't remember), would the virus have been called in its early days the movie star plague instead of what it WAS called, the gay plague? I think not. Homophobes keep associating AIDS with gay sex because that fuels their hatred of gays and gives them more justifications for keeping that hatred alive. They have no similar hatred towards movie stars.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies
Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies Urgently A 'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM movement. A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a meditation group for the Dome meditation numbers. A meditation without fear. The TM movement's anti-saint policies have long bred hypocrisy and contempt for the movement and its leadership inside and outside the meditating community. We need only look at the decades long slide in numbers meditating or the Dome meditation numbers. They are down and it is an uphill fight to get numbers back against the hard-heads on top. Simply to save the Dome numbers meditating there needs to come along a flat out repeal movement against these Dome policies. The Dome policies and guidelines have clearly failed to sustain our numbers and it is time and has become our larger responsibility to change those guidelines with repeal. The Taliban-like leaders of the movement with their anti-saint policies have made for a TM movement of corruption, liars and hypocrites. More than reforming, the time is come for the repeal of the anti-saint polices to save the Dome meditating program; Repeal now the anti-saint guidelines to save the Dome numbers. The saints are returning soon again. It is a fact of life. Repeal the TM-Anti-Saint policies now to save the Domes before it is too late.. The time has come to make your voice heard and join the Anti-Saint repeal movement for all our benefit. Repealing TM's anti-saint policies it seems has terribly strong parallels to the context of the 18th Amendment 'Repeal Movement' in the 20th Century. Take a look at this short piece on Pauline Sabin of the movement to repeal the 18th amendment: A theme of the undoing of the 'dry's' from early was their own self-destruct of unbending policies in the face of a reality. Sort of like TM's movement administration trying to restrict and prohibit its own people from visiting other saints and holy people and only relying on its own TM teachers and consultants. As comparison critique this is a thought provoking documentary on Pauline Sabin and the movement to repeal the 18th Amendment, Have a look: http://www.wgbh.org/programs/Baseball-The-Tenth-Inning-1199/episodes/Women-of-PROHIBITION-Pauline-Sabin-34763 Yeah, you say this NOW, now that it's come out that he is married and has been for many years. But I wonder what excuses you make for him lying about it for so long, and to so many? That is a really tough question. That could easily be someone's scholarly thesis topic alone on Fairfield. How meditators have dealt with the deceit and moral dissonance of their leadership. That became more directly addressed in a series of posts by a range of old meditators writing on FFL between Christmas and New Year's a month ago. It was really interesting to read how different people resolved their relationship with the Tmo. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Back then it seems the problems were more simply over the money, fund-raising technique and the anti-saint policy that were driving people away. Even Back then there were yet some lot of 'unknowns' like the women to be discovered. Surveying the old [meditating] community, The old survey that was done is archived here in the FFL files section. It is real interesting trend-reading to look at now. Things were in motion then even back in the '90's and early '00's and yet still unresolved now. Look in the 'files' section under the folder FFL and Fairfield Community about surveys. To be able to read the survey results here you got to be a registered yahoo groups FFL member to open the files. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: I'm very glad that Rajaram is a householder. Are you glad that he lied about it to pretty much everyone in the TM movement for many years, including his close friends like John Hagelin? It makes the TMO more human somehow, more of the world with all its joys and sorrows, more connected to life with all its light and dark. Yeah, you say this NOW, now that it's come out that he is married and has been for many years. But I wonder what excuses you make for him lying about it for so long, and to so many? That is a really tough question.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies
what you fail to take into consideration is that your Taliban-like leaders took their cue from Marshy himself and that YEARS of TM, TMSP, rounding, and being around Marshy has led them to this pass - draw - my suggestion is get out before you waste anymore time, effort, energy and money. From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 11:07 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies Urgently A 'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM movement. A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a meditation group for the Dome meditation numbers. A meditation without fear. The TM movement's anti-saint policies have long bred hypocrisy and contempt for the movement and its leadership inside and outside the meditating community. We need only look at the decades long slide in numbers meditating or the Dome meditation numbers. They are down and it is an uphill fight to get numbers back against the hard-heads on top. Simply to save the Dome numbers meditating there needs to come along a flat out repeal movement against these Dome policies. The Dome policies and guidelines have clearly failed to sustain our numbers and it is time and has become our larger responsibility to change those guidelines with repeal. The Taliban-like leaders of the movement with their anti-saint policies have made for a TM movement of corruption, liars and hypocrites. More than reforming, the time is come for the repeal of the anti-saint polices to save the Dome meditating program; Repeal now the anti-saint guidelines to save the Dome numbers. The saints are returning soon again. It is a fact of life. Repeal the TM-Anti-Saint policies now to save the Domes before it is too late.. The time has come to make your voice heard and join the Anti-Saint repeal movement for all our benefit. Repealing TM's anti-saint policies it seems has terribly strong parallels to the context of the 18th Amendment 'Repeal Movement' in the 20th Century. Take a look at this short piece on Pauline Sabin of the movement to repeal the 18th amendment: A theme of the undoing of the 'dry's' from early was their own self-destruct of unbending policies in the face of a reality. Sort of like TM's movement administration trying to restrict and prohibit its own people from visiting other saints and holy people and only relying on its own TM teachers and consultants. As comparison critique this is a thought provoking documentary on Pauline Sabin and the movement to repeal the 18th Amendment, Have a look: http://www.wgbh.org/programs/Baseball-The-Tenth-Inning-1199/episodes/Women-of-PROHIBITION-Pauline-Sabin-34763 Yeah, you say this NOW, now that it's come out that he is married and has been for many years. But I wonder what excuses you make for him lying about it for so long, and to so many? That is a really tough question. That could easily be someone's scholarly thesis topic alone on Fairfield. How meditators have dealt with the deceit and moral dissonance of their leadership. That became more directly addressed in a series of posts by a range of old meditators writing on FFL between Christmas and New Year's a month ago. It was really interesting to read how different people resolved their relationship with the Tmo. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Back then it seems the problems were more simply over the money, fund-raising technique and the anti-saint policy that were driving people away. Even Back then there were yet some lot of 'unknowns' like the women to be discovered. Surveying the old [meditating] community, The old survey that was done is archived here in the FFL files section. It is real interesting trend-reading to look at now. Things were in motion then even back in the '90's and early '00's and yet still unresolved now. Look in the 'files' section under the folder FFL and Fairfield Community about surveys. To be able to read the survey results here you got to be a registered yahoo groups FFL member to open the files. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: I'm very glad that Rajaram is a householder. Are you glad that he lied about it to pretty much everyone in the TM movement for many years, including
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Wagging the Dog?
The Revolutionary Power of the Collective Modern unified field theory supports the perennial philosophy of all major cultural traditions that there exists a transcendental field at the most fundamental level of natural law, which can be directly accessed as the silent transcendental level of the human mind. Hundreds of studies have shown that experience of transcendental consciousness breaks the chain of conditioned reflexes coming on from past behavior, as seen in reduced addictive behaviors of all kinds, decreased prison recidivism, and reduced behavioral problems in inner-city children. Are we as nations to go on like rats trapped in a conditioning cage, reacting the same way decade after decade? Or shall we step out of the cage into the transcendental level of our own consciousness and grow up into enlightened human beings, rather than continuing to resort to destroying and killing? This is the choice we have right now. -Buck in the Dome What the world needs now is lots more meditation. This is a fight for equal rights for all. That is the history lesson of science and modernism. Look, the Assad regime is a secular regime hold out against iron-age jihad extremism. Our only chance of getting more meditation in there to fight those religious nuts with a strong counter-valence of consciousness would be to support the people of Syria against these outsider insurgents that so called *opposition* that Sen. McCain wants to back with arms. We should instead be sending in teams of peace. Mobilize Peace Squads to that whole region to help defend secularism against religion. Make Syria an ally in this war for a lasting peace with meditation. -Buck in the Dome http://www.cyberwarzone.com/english-transcript-president-assads-speech-january-062013 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Seems our fearless leader now wants to get more involved in Syria. Especially in support of those head chopping Syrian rebels who have pledged allegiance to al-Qaeda. That's right the same al-Qaeda who we've been told all these years are our enemy and spent trillions in Afghanistan trying to annihilate. Seems to me ol' Barrack is wagging the dog to try to get attention off the American STASI spying on us. I don't think it is going to work. http://www.freep.com/article/20130614/NEWS15/306140065/Syrian-rebels-pledge-loyalty-to-al-Qaeda The only lesson you can learn from history is that no one learns anything from history. The only reason there is so much islamic terrorism now is because we armed the mujahideen for our proxy war with Russia in the 80's. After the war they went home taking jihad with them. Now we want to arm the people we fight everywhere else to have a go at someone we don't like even more. Tears before bedtime. What the world needs now is lots more meditation. This is a fight for equal rights for all. That is the history lesson of science and modernism. Look, the Assad regime is a secular regime hold out against iron-age jihad extremism. Our only chance of getting more meditation in there to fight those religious nuts with a strong counter-valence of consciousness would be to support the people of Syria against these outsider insurgents that so called *opposition* that Sen. McCain wants to back with arms. We should instead be sending in teams of peace. Mobilize Peace Squads to that whole region to help defend secularism against religion. Make Syria an ally in this war for a lasting peace with meditation. -Buck in the Dome http://www.cyberwarzone.com/english-transcript-president-assads-speech-january-062013
[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies Urgently A 'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM movement. A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a meditation group for the Dome meditation numbers. A meditation without fear. The TM movement's anti-saint policies have long bred hypocrisy and contempt for the movement and its leadership inside and outside the meditating community. We need only look at the decades long slide in numbers meditating or the Dome meditation numbers. They are down and it is an uphill fight to get numbers back against the hard-heads on top. Simply to save the Dome numbers meditating there needs to come along a flat out repeal movement against these Dome policies. The Dome policies and guidelines have clearly failed to sustain our numbers and it is time and has become our larger responsibility to change those guidelines with repeal. The Taliban-like leaders of the movement with their anti-saint policies have made for a TM movement of corruption, liars and hypocrites. More than reforming, the time is come for the repeal of the anti-saint polices to save the Dome meditating program; Repeal now the anti-saint guidelines to save the Dome numbers. The saints are returning soon again. It is a fact of life. Repeal the TM-Anti-Saint policies now to save the Domes before it is too late.. The time has come to make your voice heard and join the Anti-Saint repeal movement for all our benefit. Take it away Satchmo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyLjbMBpGDA Repealing TM's anti-saint policies it seems has terribly strong parallels to the context of the 18th Amendment 'Repeal Movement' in the 20th Century. Take a look at this short piece on Pauline Sabin of the movement to repeal the 18th amendment: A theme of the undoing of the 'dry's' from early was their own self-destruct of unbending policies in the face of a reality. Sort of like TM's movement administration trying to restrict and prohibit its own people from visiting other saints and holy people and only relying on its own TM teachers and consultants. As comparison critique this is a thought provoking documentary on Pauline Sabin and the movement to repeal the 18th Amendment, Have a look: http://www.wgbh.org/programs/Baseball-The-Tenth-Inning-1199/episodes/Women-of-PROHIBITION-Pauline-Sabin-34763 Yeah, you say this NOW, now that it's come out that he is married and has been for many years. But I wonder what excuses you make for him lying about it for so long, and to so many? That is a really tough question. That could easily be someone's scholarly thesis topic alone on Fairfield. How meditators have dealt with the deceit and moral dissonance of their leadership. That became more directly addressed in a series of posts by a range of old meditators writing on FFL between Christmas and New Year's a month ago. It was really interesting to read how different people resolved their relationship with the Tmo. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Back then it seems the problems were more simply over the money, fund-raising technique and the anti-saint policy that were driving people away. Even Back then there were yet some lot of 'unknowns' like the women to be discovered. Surveying the old [meditating] community, The old survey that was done is archived here in the FFL files section. It is real interesting trend-reading to look at now. Things were in motion then even back in the '90's and early '00's and yet still unresolved now. Look in the 'files' section under the folder FFL and Fairfield Community about surveys. To be able to read the survey results here you got to be a registered yahoo groups FFL member to open the files. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: I'm very glad that Rajaram is a householder. Are you glad that he lied about it to pretty much everyone in the TM movement for many years, including his close friends like John Hagelin? It makes the TMO more human somehow, more of the world with all its joys and sorrows, more connected to life with all its light and dark.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Wagging the Dog?
Are we as nations to go on like rats trapped in a conditioning cage, reacting the same way decade after decade? Or shall we step out of the cage into the transcendental level of our own consciousness and grow up into enlightened human beings, rather than continuing to resort to destroying and killing? This is the choice we have right now. Buck, ol' buddy, in case you hadn't noticed, the TMO is the epitome of the conditioning cage From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 11:22 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Wagging the Dog? The Revolutionary Power of the Collective Modern unified field theory supports the perennial philosophy of all major cultural traditions that there exists a transcendental field at the most fundamental level of natural law, which can be directly accessed as the silent transcendental level of the human mind. Hundreds of studies have shown that experience of transcendental consciousness breaks the chain of conditioned reflexes coming on from past behavior, as seen in reduced addictive behaviors of all kinds, decreased prison recidivism, and reduced behavioral problems in inner-city children. Are we as nations to go on like rats trapped in a conditioning cage, reacting the same way decade after decade? Or shall we step out of the cage into the transcendental level of our own consciousness and grow up into enlightened human beings, rather than continuing to resort to destroying and killing? This is the choice we have right now. -Buck in the Dome What the world needs now is lots more meditation. This is a fight for equal rights for all. That is the history lesson of science and modernism. Look, the Assad regime is a secular regime hold out against iron-age jihad extremism. Our only chance of getting more meditation in there to fight those religious nuts with a strong counter-valence of consciousness would be to support the people of Syria against these outsider insurgents that so called *opposition* that Sen. McCain wants to back with arms. We should instead be sending in teams of peace. Mobilize Peace Squads to that whole region to help defend secularism against religion. Make Syria an ally in this war for a lasting peace with meditation. -Buck in the Dome http://www.cyberwarzone.com/english-transcript-president-assads-speech-january-062013 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Seems our fearless leader now wants to get more involved in Syria. Especially in support of those head chopping Syrian rebels who have pledged allegiance to al-Qaeda. That's right the same al-Qaeda who we've been told all these years are our enemy and spent trillions in Afghanistan trying to annihilate. Seems to me ol' Barrack is wagging the dog to try to get attention off the American STASI spying on us. I don't think it is going to work. http://www.freep.com/article/20130614/NEWS15/306140065/Syrian-rebels-pledge-loyalty-to-al-Qaeda The only lesson you can learn from history is that no one learns anything from history. The only reason there is so much islamic terrorism now is because we armed the mujahideen for our proxy war with Russia in the 80's. After the war they went home taking jihad with them. Now we want to arm the people we fight everywhere else to have a go at someone we don't like even more. Tears before bedtime. What the world needs now is lots more meditation. This is a fight for equal rights for all. That is the history lesson of science and modernism. Look, the Assad regime is a secular regime hold out against iron-age jihad extremism. Our only chance of getting more meditation in there to fight those religious nuts with a strong counter-valence of consciousness would be to support the people of Syria against these outsider insurgents that so called *opposition* that Sen. McCain wants to back with arms. We should instead be sending in teams of peace. Mobilize Peace Squads to that whole region to help defend secularism against religion. Make Syria an ally in this war for a lasting peace with meditation. -Buck in the Dome http://www.cyberwarzone.com/english-transcript-president-assads-speech-january-062013
[FairfieldLife] Signs
NASA Footage from NASA's Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) in space shows a UFO that appears to fly through the sun's corona. Published on YouTube on 6 March 2013. (Source: YouTube: StephenHannardADGUK) (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that the huge spacecraft was from the planet Mars.) [Share International photo for May 2013 x80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb6; Footage from NASAx80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb2;s Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO)] NASA Footage taken by SOHO can be seen in a video called UFO Creates Massive Sun Flash, uploaded on 14 June 2012. The video comments include: Three ring-shaped objects seem to phase into view. Object seems to power up before taking off. As the object files past the sun, a solar reaction is observed. This proves again that the UFO is real a clear and defined interaction between the object and the sun. (Source: YouTube: StephenHannardADGUK) (Benjamin Creme's Master explains that the object was a spacecraft from Mars. The speculation that a solar reaction is observed is not accurate. The spacecraft was actually registering and calculating a great release of energy from the sun, which is occurring now, and we on Earth are just beginning to feel it.) http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm#signs http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm#signs
[FairfieldLife] Our Space Brothers, their mission and our choice a compilation
We present a selection of quotations on the theme of `Our Space Brothers' from Maitreya (Messages from Maitreya the Christ, Benjamin Creme's Master (A Master Speaks), and Benjamin Creme's writings. See also compilation `Our Brothers in space',Share International October 2008. http://www.share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2008/2008-10.htm\ #space The nature of the Space Brothers is to serve. They make great sacrifices to help our planet. In their thousands they have come, and they spend their time and energy helping us in every way. They create vortices which are visible as crop circles to be sure, but also invisibly across the world in general. The crop circles are only an outer tangential sign of their presence. If you have the eyes to see, this sign tells you that someone of tremendous intelligence, skill, tact and reserve has touched the edges of our garment, and said: We are here. (Benjamin Creme, The Gathering of the Forces of Light) *** The governments and the media of most countries have failed in their duty to educate and enlighten the masses. Much is known by many governmental agencies and withheld from the public. Above all, the harmlessness of the UFO, even when known, is never affirmed. On the contrary, everything concerning them, while wrapped in vague mystery, is presented as threat. People in positions of power and control know that if their people knew the true nature of the UFO phenomenon, and understood them to be envoys from civilizations far ahead of ours, they would no longer accept, passive and mute, the conditions of life on Earth. They would demand that their leaders invite these aerial guests to land openly, and to teach us how to live and achieve in the same fashion. The time is not far off when this will be the case. The time is coming when the true nature of life on planets other than Earth will be common knowledge; when men will begin to think of the Solar System as an interrelated whole, the planets at various points in evolution, but all working together to fulfil the Plan of the Solar Logos, and to help and sustain each other on the way. (Benjamin Creme's Master, from `The path to the sun') *** My Teaching will show you that behind all appearances stands That which we call Life. There is naught else anywhere in Cosmos. Hold forever within you this concept, and realise your connection with that Life. (Maitreya, from Message No.133) *** The time for men to make their historic choice has arrived. Soon, men will come to realize that they must make a momentous decision, one which will determine the future for every man, woman and child, indeed the future for every living creature on Earth: a choice between continuous and ever expanding creativity on planet Earth, or a devastating ending of all life, human and sub-human, on our planetary home. Man, unfortunately, has discovered the secret of the awful power which lies hidden in the nucleus of the atom and has harnessed it for war. While humanity is so separated by competition, greed and lust for power, the danger of extinction, by accident or design, is ever present. Men must therefore find a safer way to live. (Benjamin Creme's Master, from `Humanity's historic choice', SI, March 2013) *** Presently, you will see Me in a new guise, presenting to men the choices before them, outlining for you the possibilities for the future, releasing to you the Laws of God. These Laws, My friends, enfold your lives. Without the Plan of God, man is as naught. Remember this always and restore balance. Have within you always the sense of man's greatness, man's oneness with all things, and man's divine scope. Nevertheless, by himself man can do little. Realise this and embrace the True Path. (Maitreya, from Message No.119) *** Unknown to men but evident to Us, the greatest harm sustained by men and planet in this sorry tale is caused by nuclear radiation. Men have gone far astray in the development of this most dangerous energetic source. Led astray by greed, and the false hope of vast profits, they have concentrated their experiments in `taming' the most dangerous source of energy ever discovered by man, neglecting, meanwhile, a perfectly safe alternative use of the energy of the atom. Atomic fusion, cold and harmless, could be theirs from a simple isotope of water, everywhere available in the oceans, seas and rivers, and in every shower of rain. Man must cease his `toying with death'. Atomic fission is the result of the atomic bombs which destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki; which erupted in Chernobyl and causes, subtly, death and sickness today. It is that which stands where it ought not and which must be renounced by man if he would prosper further. Earth scientists are confident that they have, indeed, tamed the monster, and can keep it under control. They do not realize that their instruments are crude indeed, that they measure only the lower aspects of nuclear radiation, that stretching above these dense-physical
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[FairfieldLife] The Man Who Refused To Stare At Pigs.
Is he bending the truth? Uri Geller claims he was a spy for the CIA and was once asked to use his 'powers' to stop a pig's heart * New documentary reveals Uri Geller's secret life as a CIA spy * Film-maker suggests Geller recruited when US was in 'psychic arms race' * Geller has admitted he was asked to stop a pig's heart but refused He's most famous for bending spoons and mixing with the rich and famous, but a new documentary claims Uri Geller has also been leading a secret life as a CIA spy. And the controversial paranormalist has even admitted he was once asked to use telepathy to stop a pig's heart, but he refused as he suspected he would next be asked to perform the act on a human. Geller's life as a covert spy has been revealed in a new documentary by Vikram Jayanti, The Secret Life of Uri Geller - Psychic Spy? [Uri Geller's secret life as a CIA spy has been revealed in a new documentary] Uri Geller's secret life as a CIA spy has been revealed in a new documentary The film explores work Geller is said to have carried out for military and intelligence agencies across three continents. The film, which was premiered at the Sheffield Doc Fest and will be broadcast by the BBC later this year, includes interviews with those who had first-hand knowledge of Geller's work, including former CIA officer Kit Green and retired army colonel John Alexander, who featured in journalist Jon Ronson's book The Men Who Stare At Goats. Geller, who attended the premiere, has said he is concerned at the way he is revealed as a spy in the film. Speaking to The Independent http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/uri-gell\ er-psychic-spy-the-spoonbenders-secret-life-as-a-mossad-and-cia-agent-re\ vealed-8659271.html , Geller said: 'I didn't realise that Vikram was going to do such a thorough job of tying all the loose ends... making that the little hints I dropped throughout my career were real.' [Geller has admitted he was asked to stop a pig's heart but he refused as he feared he would next be asked to perform the act on a human] Geller has admitted he was asked to stop a pig's heart but he refused as he feared he would next be asked to perform the act on a human He also said he refused to carry out 'dark things' and only executed 'positive' missions. The film suggests Geller attempted to erase the contents of floppy disks being carried by Soviet diplomats in Mexico back to Russia and even disable radar when Israeli commandos stormed a hijacked plane during the 'raid on Entebbe'. Film-maker Jayanti suggests the US recruited Geller during a 'psychic arms race' with the Soviet Union, although it is believed he came to the attention of the CIA while he was already working for the Israeli military. While Geller remains coy about his involvement in covert operations during the film, he is happy to reveal how he obtained his surprise Mexican citizenship - by pinpointing where to drill for oil. [The spoon-bender is believed to have first come to the attention of the CIA while working for the Israeli military] [Uri Geller's secret life as a CIA spy has been revealed in a new documentary] The spoon-bender is believed to have first come to the attention of the CIA while working for the Israeli military Geller has said he first became aware of his abilities at the age of five when a spoon curled up in his hand and broke during a meal. He says he went on to develop the powers by demonstrating them to pupils at his school His mother meanwhile believed he inherited them from distant relative Sigmund Freud. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2342120/Is-bending-truth-Uri-Gel\ ler-claims-spy-CIA-asked-use-powers-stop-pigs-heart.html#ixzz2WJ4uGJaR http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2342120/Is-bending-truth-Uri-Ge\ ller-claims-spy-CIA-asked-use-powers-stop-pigs-heart.html#ixzz2WJ4uGJaR Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter http://ec.tynt.com/b/rw?id=bBOTTqvd0r3Pooab7jrHcUu=MailOnline | DailyMail on Facebook http://ec.tynt.com/b/rf?id=bBOTTqvd0r3Pooab7jrHcUu=DailyMail
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: NASA Footage from NASA's Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) in space shows a UFO that appears to fly through the sun's corona. Published on YouTube on 6 March 2013. (Source: YouTube: StephenHannardADGUK) (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that the huge spacecraft was from the planet Mars.) [Share International photo for May 2013 x80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb6; Footage from NASAx80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb2;s Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO)] NASA Footage taken by SOHO can be seen in a video called UFO Creates Massive Sun Flash, uploaded on 14 June 2012. The video comments include: Three ring-shaped objects seem to phase into view. Object seems to power up before taking off. As the object files past the sun, a solar reaction is observed. This proves again that the UFO is real a clear and defined interaction between the object and the sun. (Source: YouTube: StephenHannardADGUK) (Benjamin Creme's Master explains that the object was a spacecraft from Mars. The speculation that a solar reaction is observed is not accurate. The spacecraft was actually registering and calculating a great release of energy from the sun, which is occurring now, and we on Earth are just beginning to feel it.) http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm#signs http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm#signs Now we have it. Benjamin Creme's master must be an idiot. And like master, like disciple, the disciple must not be far behind. 1) The 'object' is reflections in the SOHO optics caused by the bright flare; the dark center in the reflection is the shadowing made by the occulting disk that is used in such optics to block the brilliance of the sun so the much dimmer corona can be photographed. 2) Supposing this object is actually something near the Sun, it would be at least the size of Jupiter or over twenty times the size of the planet Mars, ergo, could not come from Mars, and could not have been built on any planet in the Solar System, as a spacecraft that size, even built in space here would require metallic and rocky materials of a mass equal to all the planets in the Solar System combined, and those planets are still round about. What is Benji smoking these days?
[FairfieldLife] Jamaica 2013
Every vacation in Jamaica for the past seven years has been a brand new adventure for nine year-old Juliette. Last year, she went parasailing for the first time. This year she's into making underwater videos. Her surprise gift came with a clue: Jacque Cousteau which she Googled. With a hint that he filmed underwater sea life, she guessed an underwater camera and burst with excitement. The Nikon COOLPIX AW100 Waterproof camera is easy as pie to operate, perfect for a kid her age. She shot the video and I edited it for her, not too bad for a first attempt. http://youtu.be/YW4lP5y0SxQ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
Let's put this discussion on a more factual basis (John, this is for your information as well): --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: So did his [Liberace's] Jyotish reading indicate he was a risk taker? A sexual risk taker in particular or just someone like any other person who is willing to climb a mountain, jump big jumps on horses, become a Fireman, join the military, become a prostitute - all risky behaviour? Of course, gay sex is not necessarily riskier than hetero sex At the time, it was *much* riskier because the incidence of HIV infection among gay men was much greater than it was in heterosexuals. But it isn't known when Liberace became HIV-positive. It's been reported that he was already symptomatic in 1985. If so, it means he could have contracted the virus in the very early days of the epidemic before enough was known about the disease for him to have even been aware that gay sex was risky. The earliest report of AIDS in a medical publication was in 1981, when the CDC described a cluster of five men in Los Angeles who had died of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia, one of the otherwise-rare opportunistic infections to which people with depressed immune systems are vulnerable. Of course the disease causing the immune deficiency hadn't yet been identified as such, and it would be awhile before it was realized that it could be spread via sexual contact. One of the reasons AIDS was able to spread as it did before it was recognized as a new disease is that the *average* time from infection to illness is eight to ten years. - just ask those Doctors treating millions of people with AIDS in Africa, for example. Patient 0 in North America just happened to have been a gay man. Worse, because it contributed to the ongoing prejudice against gays, a gay man who was also a rather promiscuous flight attendant. He became a one-man pandemic, a Typhoid Mary for our times. Well, no, actually he didn't, as it turned out. He would have infected more than a few men, but the idea that he started the epidemic in North America all by himself has been found to have been a myth. A number of gay men like him, who traveled a lot and were promiscuous, were responsible for their own clusters of infection, from which the virus subsequently spread widely. Moreover, it has since been discovered that the first death from AIDS in the U.S. occurred in 1969, and that HIV may have been responsible for even earlier deaths. Had the AIDS virus infected Warren Beatty, who claims to have had sex with hundreds and perhaps thousands of women (he can't remember), would the virus have been called in its early days the movie star plague instead of what it WAS called, the gay plague? Wonderful example of Barry's slovenly thinking. I think not. Homophobes keep associating AIDS with gay sex because that fuels their hatred of gays and gives them more justifications for keeping that hatred alive. They have no similar hatred towards movie stars. AIDS was called the gay plague (including by gays) because most of the cases of it in the U.S. were in gay men. There's no way to sugar-coat this: gay men were particularly vulnerable because in those days gay men were particularly promiscuous. But then one has to ask: Why were they so promiscuous? There's an excellent case to be made that it was a reaction to social prejudice against homosexuality. Having many sexual partners was one thing a gay man could do to boost his self-esteem in defiance of the condemnation. Society didn't allow gay men a lot of other options. Plus which, social disapproval of homosexuality resulted in significant delays in awareness and research and treatment. Bottom line, many thousands more gay men died of AIDS in the U.S. than would have been the case in the absence of homophobia.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Le Creme de la Creme
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Sometimes when I am bored, I find stuff on the web: You know of Benjamin Creme, right, and his relation to Jesus, and you know about Benjamin Cremeâs prophetic function in regard to the coming of the Super Fifth Degree Master and Teacher, the great and mighty all-powerful Maitreya, who outranks Jesus himself, right? Wrong, Maitreya is a 7'th degree Master. Guru Dev is a 6'th degree Master. If you're bored and obviously obsessed with people like Mr. Benjamin Creme, at least you could get the facts straight. Ah, what's 2 degrees of masterdom between friends? I'd find this Maitreya an easier figure to rally round if I knew who he/she was. Even if they just collected the interviews so we could see the wisdom, people would be a bit more enthusiastic I'm sure. Why the secrecy? You can only hold our enthusiastic attention for so long you know He always seemed to turn up in the New Age lecture calendars, a distinguished-looking gentleman who had something to say about the Second Coming of the Christ. I recall something about Jesus having already come back, that he was living quietly in London, awaiting recognition. Wrong again, Jesus never lived in London. True enough, I just visit at weekends. Since you obviously are unable to get even the simplest information correctly I suggest that you start some self-study: http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm Priesthoods always act as an intermediary between some usually invisible or hidden knowledge and the common schmuk, that is how they keep their job. This is how 'favoured' disciples also act between their master and those 'below' them on the groupie scale. I think this is a bad way to advance spiritually, to ride on the coattails of the leader. Spirituality is not about being a follower forever; if you do not gain autonomy, you are doomed spiritually. Creme would be out of the limelight if his supposed master really appeared. As long as he can keep his fictional (Buddhist-derived) master hidden behind a wall of mystery and anticipation, he can get points for revealing snippets of stuff proffered under the title of 'wisdom'. Creme is pretty old now, so it will be interesting to find out what happens if he dies soon. My speculation is the whole thing will die out, or perhaps some of his more hare-brained followers will try to keep up the illusion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: (snip) One of the reasons AIDS was able to spread as it did before it was recognized as a new disease Technical note: AIDS isn't actually a disease, it's a syndrome (AIDS = acquired immune deficiency syndrome). One doesn't die of AIDS but rather of AIDS-related illnesses that one's immune system would otherwise have prevented. The syndrome is caused by infection with the HIV virus (human immunodeficiency virus), which destroys the immune system.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jamaica 2013
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Every vacation in Jamaica for the past seven years has been a brand new adventure for nine year-old Juliette. Last year, she went parasailing for the first time. This year she's into making underwater videos. Her surprise gift came with a clue: Jacque Cousteau which she Googled. With a hint that he filmed underwater sea life, she guessed an underwater camera and burst with excitement. The Nikon COOLPIX AW100 Waterproof camera is easy as pie to operate, perfect for a kid her age. She shot the video and I edited it for her, not too bad for a first attempt. Just fabulous. What a terrific thing for a kid to be able to do. She was using a snorkel, I assume, right? Jacques must be thrilled at the thought of hordes of little Cousteaus swimming around, potential marine biologists 20 or so years from now. http://youtu.be/YW4lP5y0SxQ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jamaica 2013
Thank you for sharing this! Wonderful! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Every vacation in Jamaica for the past seven years has been a brand new adventure for nine year-old Juliette. Last year, she went parasailing for the first time. This year she's into making underwater videos. Her surprise gift came with a clue: Jacque Cousteau which she Googled. With a hint that he filmed underwater sea life, she guessed an underwater camera and burst with excitement. The Nikon COOLPIX AW100 Waterproof camera is easy as pie to operate, perfect for a kid her age. She shot the video and I edited it for her, not too bad for a first attempt. http://youtu.be/YW4lP5y0SxQ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dwarf Planet Astrology
From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 8:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Dwarf Planet Astrology Dwarf Planet Astrology As one of the recent threads on FFL has been delving into the pseudoscience of astrology, I have been spending my time reading sections of a blog written by a sociopath, which is rather interesting reading, it kind of just slides right in with the psychotic nature of FFL and the 'neuro typical' and 'empath' population here, to use some names for most of us from the creative folk in sociopath land (there are some extraordinarliy intelligrnt sociopaths out there, and you probably know some without being aware that they are not like you). There seems to be some specific crossovers between sociopaths and enlightenment as far as mental states of experience. Perhaps I will start a thread on that later on. To get back to astrology. As scientifically astrology basically has zero predictive properties (except in the minds of its practitioners), I thought it might be better to introduce dwarf planet astrology, and chuck the original systems, both Western and Eastern. Unfortunately my idea is not original. Others have already jumped into the fray. The current locations of dwarf planets and dwarf planet candidates [the candidates are marked '(a)' from officially named dwarfs]: (the '˅' symbol means 'subscript' if it gets through Yahoo's alphanumeric-symbol, character-entity translation software, otherwise whatever shows up on your computer should be an inverted carat [cheers Share ÂÂÂ]) Cheers, Xeno, loving your posts as always (-: Ceres Gemini Haumea Bootes MakemakeComaBerenices ErisCetus Pluto-CharonSagittarius Sedna (a) Taurus Varuna (a) Gemini Quaoar (a) Serpens Cauda Orcus (a) Sextans Ixion (a) Ophiuchus 2002 TC˅302 (a) Aries 2007 OR˅10 (a) Aries Since size and distance of those little pointy lights in the sky make no difference in astrology, it certainly is possible that these tiny dim pointy lights could have a VAST influence on humanity and our little world. At least there are some that think so. For example: --- 2007 OR10 and 2002 TC302 astrology 'Perhaps the striking news is that the newly discovered 2007 OR10 , near in size to Pluto, seems to has a strong astrological effect, at least derived by mundane astrology observations.' 'The fact is that in the recent millenia, 2007 OR10 has been orbiting near Eris, just beyond it, with a similar orbital period, and therefore makes things a little bit confusing to distinguish.' 'I see that every time 2007 OR10 has entered Aries a whole lot of global changes have happened: this was circa 150-50 BC, 350-450 AC, 1000 AC, 1470-1520 AC and now 1990-2040.' '2007 OR10 will enter the mid degrees of Aries in the years ahead, as it did in 1490, the years of the discovery (and conquests) of America, or approximately during the fall of Rome circa 350-410, or during the Roman conquests of the Greece and Egypt, two powerful and influencing civilizations. It enters the critical 10-11º Aries in 2010-2014, (like in 1492) then stays during the more intense Aries energy until 2047 (like in 1520).' 'Therefore, we predict a new unfolding wave of discoveries, 'conquests' and societal reconstruction, a civilization shift in balance.' 'It's still too soon to assert its astrological meaning. But judging by several chart readings, it seems that 2007 OR10 is full of positive energy, vibrant and a strong creative and ever-flowing energy (but it is in Aries too).' --- At least Western astrology, with its positioning flaws, is investigating new information unlike Vedic astrology, which remains in the Iron Age. If we had Vedic physics, we perhaps could allow atoms, but eschew sub-atomic particles as not being significant. But for astrologers, perhaps it would be appropriate to use technology more appropriate to the mentality of the discipline. Without being too extreme I would suggest using the original Apple I or an original IBM PC, plus a dot matrix printer to produce charts, although, perhaps, you might do something unheard of and actually look at the sky at night and use a notepad by candlelight or oil torch.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dwarf Planet Astrology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: (Salyavin, see my response to you below my comments to Barry.) Simple enough in the simplistic system of astrology you've invented for the purpose of arrogant criticism. But this would absolutely not be the case in *real* astrology. A similar planetary arrangement might mean quite different things in different charts. Oh, hmm, you snipped what I was responding to, leaving it without context. It was clever of you to conceal your boo-boo like that; I see you've carried that effort through your whole post. LOL, do please tell me what *real* astrologers think, Please refer back to PaliGap's post, where he explained it to you very clearly. other than the ones I've got my ideas from, like the TMO jyotishees, western astrology books and readings and all the failed attempts at proving scientifically that there is something happening by the great many astrologers that have actually *tried* to prove they have a system based on planetary positions at birth that can make predictions about personality and life chances and timing of life events. All of whom failed I repeat. You do realize this is all a non sequitur, right? I haven't disputed the lack of scientific proof. I find myself hoping you know you're in trouble but are figuring a lot of arrogant bluff and bluster will make it appear otherwise. I don't want to think you're so dull-minded you don't realize what's going on. That you accuse me of making up other peoples claims is bizarre, I'm just responding to what other people think is true. Don't know who these other people are. They sure have weird ideas about what astrology is. That you realise the original and persistent ideas of astrology are untenable is pleasing to me but you seem to have replaced it something that has the same effect but an even more esoteric mechanism that you have so far refused to share. Ooopsie, you don't seem to be reading what I write. As above, so below is an ancient idea. The phrase is attributed to Hermes Trismegistus. I know you're hoping it's a modern rationalization, but alas, it isn't. Come on Jude, the world wants to know! I don't believe even Jung ever claimed to know how synchronicity worked. That you accuse me of arrogance is interesting, I'm just pointing out that you need a signal to measure and a mechanism to explain it. Neither exists that we know of. Your arrogance is in assuming you understand the principles of astrology. It's a surreal idea you have that it's got nothing to do with planets Here's what's surreal. This is what you're responding to: salyavin: You can claim it's got nothing to do with planets until you are blue in the face Judy: Nobody's claiming that. You've misunderstood something. Of course it has to do with planets. Of course you *snipped* this so nobody would see this boo-boo either. I guess your arrogance here is in assuming I would just meekly submit to your putting words in my mouth that are the exact opposite of what I *actually* said. because the very first thing *any* astrologer does is make a chart of planetary positions at the time of your birth. *duh* As I tried to explain to Paligap it doesn't matter if the planets are or aren't exerting a force or if the whole solar system is evolving like a clockwork synchronicty machine, if you have no signal - no direct hits beyond that you would get from chance - then you have no mechanism either so why quibble about terms? Jung called synchronicity (As above, so below) an acausal connecting principle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity *I* could do a better job of criticizing the synchronicity idea than you have. You really do not have a head for this kind of thing. (For that matter, most Western astrologers, at least, would not predict a predisposition for a *particular* illness but rather for an illness related to a specific body system--e.g., digestion--or body part--e.g., eyes. And it would likely be characterized as a *weakness* in that area or system of the body.) Ah yes, the vague approach. We can claim we had a hit if he dies but claim that other planetary influences saved him if he survives. Clever, don't ever pin yourself down. Did you read the paragraph you quote? I don't see anything in it that refers to dying (or surviving, for that matter). I was correcting another of your boo-boos (also deleted by you). You should maybe examine your motives in why you want to spend so much time defending this nonsense. My guess is you had a flattering chart done that promises all sorts of good things to come. Don't worry, we all get that one. Actually I've only ever had one chart done, by a professional Western astrologer around 30 years ago (my sister gave it to me as a birthday gift). I don't now recall any of the specifics, but I do
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas of Sri Yukteswar
Very cool stuff, John. I love watching the pole star move. Something else I've heard with relation to 25,000 is that our individual planetary configuration only occurs every 25,000 years. I began watching Santos on the body as temple but haven't finished yet. Not sure about that Sodom and Gomorrah part! From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 9:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas of Sri Yukteswar Share, Please, take a look at the video at the start of this thread. It explains how Sri Yukteswar cognized the precession of the Pole Star, which has a cycle of about 25,000 years. He used this cycle as the basis for the cycle of the various yugas. As such, he divided the various yugas at different time intervals. The Satya Yuga is allocated the longest number of years and Kali Yuga with the shortest. Since the Kali Yuga ended in 1700 AD, we can derive that the vernal equinoxes occurred during the sign of Pisces for this yuga. At this time, our vernal equinoxes is occurring at about 7 degrees Pisces. Based on this sign, we can deduce the sign of Satya Yuga to be on the opposite side of Pisces which is the sign of Virgo. Therefore, it will take about 12,500 years (half of the 25,000 year cycle for the precession) for the vernal equinoxes to precess from Pisces to Virgo (on a counter-clockwise motion). This is a very fascinating subject. For more details, you should watch the videos by Santos Bonacci (Astro Theology series) on YouTube for a detailed explanation of the relationship between the vernal equinoxes and the zodiac signs. I hope this helps. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: John I think copper is ruled by Venus. Maybe that's why there are so many Libra ascendents. Meanwhile, Sat Yuga and Virgo?! Which is ruled by Mercury?! That doesn't seem right to me. I think of Guru as the sattvic planet. From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas of Sri Yukteswar  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: He stated that the earth's precession is due to the Sun's orbit with a binary star, Sirius. This precession is the basis for the various yugas or ages of human history. He said that Kali Yuga ended in 1700 AD. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVtJ-yzqT24 Makes much more sense; C Lutes used to say additionally it forms an upward spiral, hence evolution! If you fall behind, you're left behind until the next great cycle. He called humanity a parade of sorts some are at the front of the parade and some behind, as are the different races. Ultimately all come to the same end. I.e. each spiral is a little higher than the last giving an opportunity for all souls to have a fertile soil to grow in, the Kali age a little higher than the last, etc. but progress the keynote. If you only merited a birth in Kali Yuga, chances are you won't be reborn until the NEXT Kali Yuga, providing you made even a 'little' progress, same as the other Yugas. There are millions of souls waiting to reincarnate now but are unable to due to the low vibrations of this Yuga, they must wait until the next Dwapara, Treta or Sat Yuga, as may be the case. Only very high souls are born in the Sat Yuga, but all are given the opportunity to evolve as is the divine plan. That's why the 'spiral' goes up and comes down but always advances, but only incrementally. It never makes a full circle to the place it began, that would be zero progress. Billy, According to Sri Yukteswar, Kali Yuga ended in 1700 AD. So, we are now in the ascending cycle of the Dwapara Yuga or the Copper Age. By your criteria, the humans being created now are a little better than those in Kali Yuga. The enlightened souls won't incarnate en masse until the vernal equinoxes occur in the sign of Virgo, which pertain to Sat Yuga or the Golden Age. This epoch will start about 12,500 years from now. Can you wait that long? JR
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis
noozguru I've had my birth time rectified a few times. The first time they said that if the time on birth certificate was correct, I'd be a boy! They actually changed it twice because the first change didn't jive with events in my life. The last time the jyotishi used my relationship with my Dad's Mom to fix the birth time. It definitely jives with events in my life. Also I heard a story wherein someone tried to play a prank on the jyotishi and gave the birth time of their cat. The jyotishi took one look at the chart and said, Are yo sure this is a human. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis That's something the naysayers here REALLY don't understand is that you can't do any kind of decent reading without an accurate time of birth. That's because they don't know shit about astrology. They're just a bunch of blind people describing an elephant. I've often stated here that as long as I had an accurate birth time I can pretty much tell a lot about them and even make some accurate predictions. Of course those predictions aren't going to be so exact as in on Friday November 13th or 2035 About all one can do with just the day is look for weak planets and what that means in terms of what the planet in general signifies. Without a birth time you won't be able to ascertain what they mean in terms of house significations. However over the years here on FFL I've gotten a pretty good sense of ascendants of members from their posts. And recently some of those were verified. Of course we can still expect the peanut gallery to keep throwing peanuts. :-D On 06/14/2013 11:06 AM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Dear Ann, You didn't provide the place of birth. However I wouldn't be able to do an analysis because of the lack of an accurate birth-time. And more below. I also realized two things last night - one I shouldn't offer to do any blind analysis or offer it for any test. Because I have no emotional investment or financial investment in proving astrology reading, as of now anyway. I would have to be literally starving to request money for readings, even then it cannot be any fixed amount per my Brahmin conditioning. So you can see with the current high paying job I have - that possibility is very remote. The last week's discussion were very helpful to me personally because it gave me a chance to understand my methodology of astrological interpretations, that I started in 2010 and also to define the scope, parameters and my goals from it. So considering my goals - some sort of therapeutic purpose in performing a chart reading, providing insights to people based upon their chart - I shouldn't do blind charts, since that's not my goal. Second - in my explanation of the simplicity of my methodology I lost sight of the fact that my intuition also plays a critical factor in my interpretation. For example I randomly thought of Nancy Friday while contemplating on RD's chart. And I know there were lot of times I simply was not interested in doing a reading. There were some Indians friends of mine who asked me to and I didn't because Indian (immigrants) are mostly interested in career and money and my interpretations don't cover those areas. So in the light of these two things plus the fact that you don't have an accurate birth time I think I should give it a pass and stick to performing readings for actual people who approach me and for their charts. So, in hindsight - I shouldn't have agreed. Hope you understand Ann and are not disappointed. Ravi On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear Ann, No I haven't offered any predictions - neither for you, nor for raunchy or anyone else for that matter. My approach remains same for astrology reading. Sure - one could say my reading is tainted somewhat by my knowledge of you and raunchy. But I remember doing one for a lady where I didn't know anything about her and that was pretty good - based on her feedback, she was extremely happy. There weren't any predictions given, just insights into her based on her chart. So - yes, no problem, I can go ahead and do the same analysis for your test chart. Dear Ravi,as you know I very much loved the FEEL of your reading. It felt very clean on lots of levels. It felt clean of ego, it felt very sensitive. As I am an ignoramus when it comes to astrology and Jyotish you perhaps felt you needed to keep it simple without reference to the planets and the technical influences. But in the interest of others who DO know quite a bit about it you can approach this next reading like you did Raunchy's. I still understood what you said in Raunchy's analysis and for those who have a
[FairfieldLife] The Philosophy Of Arseholeness
Browsing in the high-falutin' section of my local book shop today I came across this: Assholes: A Theory by philosopher Aaron James http://www.faculty.uci.edu/profile.cfm?faculty_id=4884 Sounds like fun. (But alas it's cheaper online so my local shop may loose out). (BTW what's the difference between an asshole and an arsehole? Does one get published, and the other not? Or are we, as so often, divided by our common language?) From a review on Amazon: James classifies a-holes by type, including the boorish a-hole (Rush Limbaugh, Michael Moore), the smug a-hole (Richard Dawkins, Larry Summers), the a-hole boss (Naomi Campbell), the presidential a-hole (Hugo Chavez), the reckless a-hole (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld), the self-aggrandizing a-hole (Ralph Nader), the cable news a-hole (Neil Cavuto, Keith Olbermann), and the delusional a-hole (Kanye West, Wall Street bankers). James covers the spectrum from liberals to conservatives in his search for a-holes and applies his test with, I think, a nonpartisan outlook. Also looking promising and about my tribe: How the Hippies Saved Physics: Science, Counterculture, and the Quantum Revival
[FairfieldLife] Re: Le Creme de la Creme
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Sometimes when I am bored, I find stuff on the web: You know of Benjamin Creme, right, and his relation to Jesus, and you know about Benjamin Cremeâs prophetic function in regard to the coming of the Super Fifth Degree Master and Teacher, the great and mighty all-powerful Maitreya, who outranks Jesus himself, right? Wrong, Maitreya is a 7'th degree Master. Guru Dev is a 6'th degree Master. If you're bored and obviously obsessed with people like Mr. Benjamin Creme, at least you could get the facts straight. Ah, what's 2 degrees of masterdom between friends? I'd find this Maitreya an easier figure to rally round if I knew who he/she was. Even if they just collected the interviews so we could see the wisdom, people would be a bit more enthusiastic I'm sure. Why the secrecy? You can only hold our enthusiastic attention for so long you know He always seemed to turn up in the New Age lecture calendars, a distinguished-looking gentleman who had something to say about the Second Coming of the Christ. I recall something about Jesus having already come back, that he was living quietly in London, awaiting recognition. Wrong again, Jesus never lived in London. True enough, I just visit at weekends. Since you obviously are unable to get even the simplest information correctly I suggest that you start some self-study: http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm Priesthoods always act as an intermediary between some usually invisible or hidden knowledge and the common schmuk, that is how they keep their job. This is how 'favoured' disciples also act between their master and those 'below' them on the groupie scale. I think this is a bad way to advance spiritually, to ride on the coattails of the leader. Spirituality is not about being a follower forever; if you do not gain autonomy, you are doomed spiritually. Creme would be out of the limelight if his supposed master really appeared. As long as he can keep his fictional (Buddhist-derived) master hidden behind a wall of mystery and anticipation, he can get points for revealing snippets of stuff proffered under the title of 'wisdom'. Creme is pretty old now, so it will be interesting to find out what happens if he dies soon. My speculation is the whole thing will die out, or perhaps some of his more hare-brained followers will try to keep up the illusion. Or Maitreya will appear and save us all Did you ever read When Prophecy Fails by Leon Festinger? Very interesting. To his theory of cognitive dissonance he and his students infiltrated a UFO cult who believed the world was about to end and that believers would be taken to safety in UFO's. It isn't spoiling the ending to tell you that the world survived but the way in which the TBs reacted when the ships didn't arrive was really surprising. I think it's a must read for students of far out beliefs so I won't spoil it. But I did really feel for them as they tried to make sense about what went wrong. It's easy to say they were dumbasses for believing it in the first place but most people get suckered by weird beliefs at some point. I even joined the TMO for crissakes! There must be a psychological term for this need to think there is more to reality than appearances suggest. Orbis non Sufficit Syndrome maybe? Or maybe wild speculation is the natural human state before experience helps us develop a bullshit detector to guard us against folly?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas of Sri Yukteswar
Share, One can say that each one of us is unique since we were born at a specific time and place on earth and in relation with the planetary configuration of the planets in the solar system. KN Rao once said that Brahma creates a new model of human beings every year. In astrological terms, the new season starts on the vernal equinox in which literally and figuratively the seeds of life are sown. In mythological terms, it is during spring time that the Sun has a sexual orgy with Mother Earth to sow the seeds of life. We can also surmise that the quality of life and human beings vary depending on the various yugas, which can be ascertained by the precession of Pole Star. So, Patanjali's sutra relating to Dhruva is more complicated than we can imagine. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Very cool stuff, John. I love watching the pole star move. Something else I've heard with relation to 25,000 is that our individual planetary configuration only occurs every 25,000 years. I began watching Santos on the body as temple but haven't finished yet. Not sure about that Sodom and Gomorrah part! From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 9:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas of Sri Yukteswar  Share, Please, take a look at the video at the start of this thread. It explains how Sri Yukteswar cognized the precession of the Pole Star, which has a cycle of about 25,000 years. He used this cycle as the basis for the cycle of the various yugas. As such, he divided the various yugas at different time intervals. The Satya Yuga is allocated the longest number of years and Kali Yuga with the shortest. Since the Kali Yuga ended in 1700 AD, we can derive that the vernal equinoxes occurred during the sign of Pisces for this yuga. At this time, our vernal equinoxes is occurring at about 7 degrees Pisces. Based on this sign, we can deduce the sign of Satya Yuga to be on the opposite side of Pisces which is the sign of Virgo. Therefore, it will take about 12,500 years (half of the 25,000 year cycle for the precession) for the vernal equinoxes to precess from Pisces to Virgo (on a counter-clockwise motion). This is a very fascinating subject. For more details, you should watch the videos by Santos Bonacci (Astro Theology series) on YouTube for a detailed explanation of the relationship between the vernal equinoxes and the zodiac signs. I hope this helps. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John I think copper is ruled by Venus. Maybe that's why there are so many Libra ascendents. Meanwhile, Sat Yuga and Virgo?! Which is ruled by Mercury?! That doesn't seem right to me. I think of Guru as the sattvic planet. From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas of Sri Yukteswar à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: He stated that the earth's precession is due to the Sun's orbit with a binary star, Sirius. This precession is the basis for the various yugas or ages of human history. He said that Kali Yuga ended in 1700 AD. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVtJ-yzqT24 Makes much more sense; C Lutes used to say additionally it forms an upward spiral, hence evolution! If you fall behind, you're left behind until the next great cycle. He called humanity a parade of sorts some are at the front of the parade and some behind, as are the different races. Ultimately all come to the same end. I.e. each spiral is a little higher than the last giving an opportunity for all souls to have a fertile soil to grow in, the Kali age a little higher than the last, etc. but progress the keynote. If you only merited a birth in Kali Yuga, chances are you won't be reborn until the NEXT Kali Yuga, providing you made even a 'little' progress, same as the other Yugas. There are millions of souls waiting to reincarnate now but are unable to due to the low vibrations of this Yuga, they must wait until the next Dwapara, Treta or Sat Yuga, as may be the case. Only very high souls are born in the Sat Yuga, but all are given the opportunity to evolve as is the divine plan. That's why the 'spiral' goes up and comes down but always advances, but only incrementally. It never makes a full circle to the place it began, that would be zero progress. Billy, According to Sri Yukteswar, Kali Yuga ended in 1700 AD. So,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dwarf Planet Astrology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: I know exactly what my motives are for correcting your misunderstandings of astrology (not for defending it as a valid system; as I've said, I'm highly dubious of it). I find your brand of arrogant ignorance disgraceful, because it gets in the way of determining what's really going on. It's actually *anti-scientific*. So you don't believe it either? You just like arguing, admit it. And you seem to have decided Jungs ideas are the *real* astrology? You should tell the all the other astrologers they are still measuring planetary positions and birth dates. And of course I'm anti-scientific for thinking about it but I notice you still can't point me in the direction of a study that shows a measurable signal, any positive hit would be a starting point. That's how science works. And of course, you aren't going to explain what astrology *really* is because I wouldn't understand, or do you just accept that the term a-causal must be right because it obviates the need for testing? Because you are wrong if you think it would. I suspect you just don't want to get into discussing Jung too deeply. Especially regarding how it affects astrology readings, but you've decided I'm not worth talking to due to my disgraceful arrogance. Which is handy for you. I read synchronicity yonks ago. It's one of those things you either believe or you don't and for every hit there is a miss, I've told you what I think of it. It really doesn't change how we might find out the validity of birth chart predictions. I actually don't care how you find my brand of thinking, until you, or anyone, comes up with some evidence to the contrary I will continue to think that astrology is a baseless belief system. S/N first.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis
Doc, IMHO you are way too attached to non attachment (-: Ok, dumb joke but also asking the question: can we really know if attachment is happening, especially in another? And sometimes can we even tell if it's happening in ourselves? I don't know what it is about 2013, but everything is moving so fast. I can be attached and the next nanosecond, not be. Do you all realize that 2013 will be half over in 2 weeks?! From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 10:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis Yep, the data always gets in, in the same way, every time. But to hold onto what makes sense after the moment is gone, is attachment. The same data, as used for continuous learning and discovery, is instead used to reinforce a limited identity, a belief system. Like a transmission trying to operate, with glue in the gears. Attachment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: but but but, Doc...all observations and therefore all learning are filtered through our preconceived notions, our conditioning, the physical condition of our brains and bodies, and if nothing else, our sense of who we like to think we are, probably the most insidious of all. Maybe why we like jyotish so much (-: From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 7:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis  No - Beliefs are based on attachment. *Learning* is built on observations. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: salyavin, I know of two jyotishis who made predictions about the last US election. Yep, one chose Obama and one chose Romney. Does that mean that Obama chooser is the better jyotishi? And what if it does? Why does that matter? Because basically we humans want to be happy. So even when we're infants, we become little scientists, observing what we need to do in order to be happy, making adjustments here and there along the way. We could even use turq's analogy of surfing the waves. We all want to be happy while surfing the waves of life. Now Adyashanti says deeper than the impulse to seek pleasure and avoid pain is the impulse to awaken. Whoops, I got into rereading his book The End of Your World. He also says that you can't have truth without love and you can't have love without truth. But I guess this is off topic ha ha. Anyway, at this point I'm wondering about knowledge and science and belief. Firstly I think we all agree that there are only probabilities of certainty. Meaning that not even science knows anything with 100% certainty. It seems like the main difference is that some thinkers think that direct observation is the way to the most valid knowledge. While other thinkers think that the knowledge of trusted others also has high validity. One assumes that that is also based on observation. Meaning, aren't even beliefs based on observations? From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Oh dear scientific salyavin, I am the only one who's doing the heavy lifting in favor of astrology here and I wasn't even too interested in the first place. I have clearly articulated the scope, parameters of how I use astrology and the goals I have. Considering the limitations of astrology and the reputation of astrology I have a very scientific approach that you should be proud of salyavin !!! You surely missed the generous compliments Ann, raunchy, Share, Steve, Jim, LG, empty bill and others (non-active posters) offline have directed my way. Surely this is not some dumb, naive audience I'm dealing with here. Generous compliments mean nothing as far as whether astrology has any actual reality outside of you saying nice things about people you've been interacting with for *years* on a chat forum. That people believe it is no surprise to me, people still believe in god etc. People can be weird in how they chose to see the world. Approval, eternal life and predictability are going to feature pretty high on most people wish list of things they'd like to be true. That you may have a handle on personality analysis says nothing about the working of horoscopes as they are open to interpretation. As I say, to convince a sceptic like moi you need to make predictions so we can see how it fares against the randomness of reality. What was the one I suggested the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Le Creme de la Creme
salyavin I think we're gonna have to get out the old fMRI machines to figure out, on the physical level, why people, even you, go for weird beliefs at some point in their life. Or at many points. From the point of view of psychology, I'd say we all like to think we've got it figured out. Makes us feel in control, makes us feel safe. See, even as I write this I feel safe. I've got us humans figured out (-: From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 2:53 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Le Creme de la Creme --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Sometimes when I am bored, I find stuff on the web: You know of Benjamin Creme, right, and his relation to Jesus, and you know about Benjamin Creme’s prophetic function in regard to the coming of the Super Fifth Degree Master and Teacher, the great and mighty all-powerful Maitreya, who outranks Jesus himself, right? Wrong, Maitreya is a 7'th degree Master. Guru Dev is a 6'th degree Master. If you're bored and obviously obsessed with people like Mr. Benjamin Creme, at least you could get the facts straight. Ah, what's 2 degrees of masterdom between friends? I'd find this Maitreya an easier figure to rally round if I knew who he/she was. Even if they just collected the interviews so we could see the wisdom, people would be a bit more enthusiastic I'm sure. Why the secrecy? You can only hold our enthusiastic attention for so long you know He always seemed to turn up in the New Age lecture calendars, a distinguished-looking gentleman who had something to say about the Second Coming of the Christ. I recall something about Jesus having already come back, that he was living quietly in London, awaiting recognition. Wrong again, Jesus never lived in London. True enough, I just visit at weekends. Since you obviously are unable to get even the simplest information correctly I suggest that you start some self-study: http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm Priesthoods always act as an intermediary between some usually invisible or hidden knowledge and the common schmuk, that is how they keep their job. This is how 'favoured' disciples also act between their master and those 'below' them on the groupie scale. I think this is a bad way to advance spiritually, to ride on the coattails of the leader. Spirituality is not about being a follower forever; if you do not gain autonomy, you are doomed spiritually. Creme would be out of the limelight if his supposed master really appeared. As long as he can keep his fictional (Buddhist-derived) master hidden behind a wall of mystery and anticipation, he can get points for revealing snippets of stuff proffered under the title of 'wisdom'. Creme is pretty old now, so it will be interesting to find out what happens if he dies soon. My speculation is the whole thing will die out, or perhaps some of his more hare-brained followers will try to keep up the illusion. Or Maitreya will appear and save us all Did you ever read When Prophecy Fails by Leon Festinger? Very interesting. To his theory of cognitive dissonance he and his students infiltrated a UFO cult who believed the world was about to end and that believers would be taken to safety in UFO's. It isn't spoiling the ending to tell you that the world survived but the way in which the TBs reacted when the ships didn't arrive was really surprising. I think it's a must read for students of far out beliefs so I won't spoil it. But I did really feel for them as they tried to make sense about what went wrong. It's easy to say they were dumbasses for believing it in the first place but most people get suckered by weird beliefs at some point. I even joined the TMO for crissakes! There must be a psychological term for this need to think there is more to reality than appearances suggest. Orbis non Sufficit Syndrome maybe? Or maybe wild speculation is the natural human state before experience helps us develop a bullshit detector to guard us against folly?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
Judy, Excellent analysis. It appears that you've researched this subject thoroughly. Now everyone has been apprised. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Let's put this discussion on a more factual basis (John, this is for your information as well): --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: So did his [Liberace's] Jyotish reading indicate he was a risk taker? A sexual risk taker in particular or just someone like any other person who is willing to climb a mountain, jump big jumps on horses, become a Fireman, join the military, become a prostitute - all risky behaviour? Of course, gay sex is not necessarily riskier than hetero sex At the time, it was *much* riskier because the incidence of HIV infection among gay men was much greater than it was in heterosexuals. But it isn't known when Liberace became HIV-positive. It's been reported that he was already symptomatic in 1985. If so, it means he could have contracted the virus in the very early days of the epidemic before enough was known about the disease for him to have even been aware that gay sex was risky. The earliest report of AIDS in a medical publication was in 1981, when the CDC described a cluster of five men in Los Angeles who had died of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia, one of the otherwise-rare opportunistic infections to which people with depressed immune systems are vulnerable. Of course the disease causing the immune deficiency hadn't yet been identified as such, and it would be awhile before it was realized that it could be spread via sexual contact. One of the reasons AIDS was able to spread as it did before it was recognized as a new disease is that the *average* time from infection to illness is eight to ten years. - just ask those Doctors treating millions of people with AIDS in Africa, for example. Patient 0 in North America just happened to have been a gay man. Worse, because it contributed to the ongoing prejudice against gays, a gay man who was also a rather promiscuous flight attendant. He became a one-man pandemic, a Typhoid Mary for our times. Well, no, actually he didn't, as it turned out. He would have infected more than a few men, but the idea that he started the epidemic in North America all by himself has been found to have been a myth. A number of gay men like him, who traveled a lot and were promiscuous, were responsible for their own clusters of infection, from which the virus subsequently spread widely. Moreover, it has since been discovered that the first death from AIDS in the U.S. occurred in 1969, and that HIV may have been responsible for even earlier deaths. Had the AIDS virus infected Warren Beatty, who claims to have had sex with hundreds and perhaps thousands of women (he can't remember), would the virus have been called in its early days the movie star plague instead of what it WAS called, the gay plague? Wonderful example of Barry's slovenly thinking. I think not. Homophobes keep associating AIDS with gay sex because that fuels their hatred of gays and gives them more justifications for keeping that hatred alive. They have no similar hatred towards movie stars. AIDS was called the gay plague (including by gays) because most of the cases of it in the U.S. were in gay men. There's no way to sugar-coat this: gay men were particularly vulnerable because in those days gay men were particularly promiscuous. But then one has to ask: Why were they so promiscuous? There's an excellent case to be made that it was a reaction to social prejudice against homosexuality. Having many sexual partners was one thing a gay man could do to boost his self-esteem in defiance of the condemnation. Society didn't allow gay men a lot of other options. Plus which, social disapproval of homosexuality resulted in significant delays in awareness and research and treatment. Bottom line, many thousands more gay men died of AIDS in the U.S. than would have been the case in the absence of homophobia.
[FairfieldLife] Timing the upcoming major stock market crash?
Any day soon I might try to time the upcoming major stock market crash à la 1929, on the basis of that Uranus/Pluto square in (tropical) cardinal signs! Then again, I mightn't... LoL! But it almost certainly takes place between now and 2016!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dwarf Planet Astrology
Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - Richard Feynman --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: I know exactly what my motives are for correcting your misunderstandings of astrology (not for defending it as a valid system; as I've said, I'm highly dubious of it). I find your brand of arrogant ignorance disgraceful, because it gets in the way of determining what's really going on. It's actually *anti-scientific*. So you don't believe it either? You just like arguing, admit it. And you seem to have decided Jungs ideas are the *real* astrology? You should tell the all the other astrologers they are still measuring planetary positions and birth dates. And of course I'm anti-scientific for thinking about it but I notice you still can't point me in the direction of a study that shows a measurable signal, any positive hit would be a starting point. That's how science works. And of course, you aren't going to explain what astrology *really* is because I wouldn't understand, or do you just accept that the term a-causal must be right because it obviates the need for testing? Because you are wrong if you think it would. I suspect you just don't want to get into discussing Jung too deeply. Especially regarding how it affects astrology readings, but you've decided I'm not worth talking to due to my disgraceful arrogance. Which is handy for you. I read synchronicity yonks ago. It's one of those things you either believe or you don't and for every hit there is a miss, I've told you what I think of it. It really doesn't change how we might find out the validity of birth chart predictions. I actually don't care how you find my brand of thinking, until you, or anyone, comes up with some evidence to the contrary I will continue to think that astrology is a baseless belief system. S/N first.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Timing the upcoming major stock market crash?
Card, That's not specific enough for most traders. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: Any day soon I might try to time the upcoming major stock market crash à la 1929, on the basis of that Uranus/Pluto square in (tropical) cardinal signs! Then again, I mightn't... LoL! But it almost certainly takes place between now and 2016!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dwarf Planet Astrology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: I know exactly what my motives are for correcting your misunderstandings of astrology (not for defending it as a valid system; as I've said, I'm highly dubious of it). I find your brand of arrogant ignorance disgraceful, because it gets in the way of determining what's really going on. It's actually *anti-scientific*. So you don't believe it either? You just like arguing, admit it. And you seem to have decided Jungs ideas are the *real* astrology? You should tell the all the other astrologers they are still measuring planetary positions and birth dates. See what I mean? You just DO NOT TAKE IN what you read. Instead, you make stuff up that you can refute. Yes, Jung understood the ancient As above, so below principle of astrology. But why on *earth* would you think that principle was somehow inconpatible with measuring planetary positions on birth dates? And of course I'm anti-scientific for thinking about it but I notice you still can't point me in the direction of a study that shows a measurable signal, any positive hit would be a starting point. That's how science works. *giggle* I just got done telling you I'm not *disputing* the lack of scientific evidence for astrology. And of course, you aren't going to explain what astrology *really* is because I wouldn't understand PaliGap already explained it. You're smart enough to understand it. It's vulnerable to criticism. But you'd rather keep kicking your straw men. or do you just accept that the term a-causal must be right because it obviates the need for testing? Because you are wrong if you think it would. Huh? Where did I suggest such a thing? Again, you've *made that up* instead of taking in what I *have* said. I suspect you just don't want to get into discussing Jung too deeply. Especially regarding how it affects astrology readings, Regarding how *what* affects astrology readings? (BTW, if we were to discuss Jung's ideas about astrology, we'd have to talk about Wolfgang Pauli's too.) but you've decided I'm not worth talking to due to my disgraceful arrogance. I have? Who am I talking to now? Which is handy for you. Smack! Another straw man, deader'n a doornail! I read synchronicity yonks ago. It's one of those things you either believe or you don't and for every hit there is a miss, I've told you what I think of it. It really doesn't change how we might find out the validity of birth chart predictions. Right. Did somebody say it would? I actually don't care how you find my brand of thinking, until you, or anyone, comes up with some evidence to the contrary I will continue to think that astrology is a baseless belief system. S/N first. It's quite amazing, but you still aren't getting it. I'm tempted to embarrass you by quoting your initial posts in this thread, about how if you know the physical facts of the solar system you can't put any stock in astrology. Not to mention all the *other* knee-slappers you've chalked up since then because you're not taking in what you've been told. The point, once again, is that if you're going to do a proper job of debunking a claim, you need to debunk what is actually claimed rather than a claim you've made up. My favorite is your notion that I had said astrology doesn't use planets, a notion you *reiterated* in response to my saying that *of course* it uses planets. Which whopping blooper, of course, you've deleted without acknowledging it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Le Creme de la Creme
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: salyavin I think we're gonna have to get out the old fMRI machines to figure out, on the physical level, why people, even you, go for weird beliefs at some point in their life. Or at many points. From the point of view of psychology, I'd say we all like to think we've got it figured out. Makes us feel in control, makes us feel safe. See, even as I write this I feel safe. I've got us humans figured out (-: Well, I'm glad someone knows what's going on! I love weird ideas. I joined a book club when I was 16 which was dedicated to the esoteric, I had them all, astrology, spiritualism, Crowley's magick, daemonic realities, folklore, revisionist archaeology and even a Richard Dawkins or two. So I had a proper grounding in weird and adventurous thought which led me to a lifetime subscription to the Fortean Times, the UK's journal of weird phenomena. My first copy was purchased because of an article about crop circles! I even had an article about me in there once, alien big cats on the loose. Or not as it turned out. Even did some experiments with CSICOP, the Committee for Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal. All inconclusive of course. The cosmic joker never shows his hand. Or is it all just a load of nonsense derived from wishful thinking? I get too jaded to care, there are so many interesting and actually measurable things to ponder that these days. It's enough for me just to know the garden is beautiful without thinking there are fairies at the bottom of it too. There's a nice quote to end on. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 2:53 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Le Creme de la Creme  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Sometimes when I am bored, I find stuff on the web: You know of Benjamin Creme, right, and his relation to Jesus, and you know about Benjamin Cremeââ¬â¢s prophetic function in regard to the coming of the Super Fifth Degree Master and Teacher, the great and mighty all-powerful Maitreya, who outranks Jesus himself, right? Wrong, Maitreya is a 7'th degree Master. Guru Dev is a 6'th degree Master. If you're bored and obviously obsessed with people like Mr. Benjamin Creme, at least you could get the facts straight. Ah, what's 2 degrees of masterdom between friends? I'd find this Maitreya an easier figure to rally round if I knew who he/she was. Even if they just collected the interviews so we could see the wisdom, people would be a bit more enthusiastic I'm sure. Why the secrecy? You can only hold our enthusiastic attention for so long you know He always seemed to turn up in the New Age lecture calendars, a distinguished-looking gentleman who had something to say about the Second Coming of the Christ. I recall something about Jesus having already come back, that he was living quietly in London, awaiting recognition. Wrong again, Jesus never lived in London. True enough, I just visit at weekends. Since you obviously are unable to get even the simplest information correctly I suggest that you start some self-study: http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm Priesthoods always act as an intermediary between some usually invisible or hidden knowledge and the common schmuk, that is how they keep their job. This is how 'favoured' disciples also act between their master and those 'below' them on the groupie scale. I think this is a bad way to advance spiritually, to ride on the coattails of the leader. Spirituality is not about being a follower forever; if you do not gain autonomy, you are doomed spiritually. Creme would be out of the limelight if his supposed master really appeared. As long as he can keep his fictional (Buddhist-derived) master hidden behind a wall of mystery and anticipation, he can get points for revealing snippets of stuff proffered under the title of 'wisdom'. Creme is pretty old now, so it will be interesting to find out what happens if he dies soon. My speculation is the whole thing will die out, or perhaps some of his more hare-brained followers will try to keep up the illusion. Or Maitreya will appear and save us all Did you ever read When Prophecy Fails by Leon Festinger? Very interesting. To his theory of cognitive dissonance he and his students
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: NASA Footage from NASA's Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) in space shows a UFO that appears to fly through the sun's corona. Published on YouTube on 6 March 2013. (Source: YouTube: StephenHannardADGUK) (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that the huge spacecraft was from the planet Mars.) [Share International photo for May 2013 x80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb6; Footage from NASAx80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb2;s Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO)] NASA Footage taken by SOHO can be seen in a video called UFO Creates Massive Sun Flash, uploaded on 14 June 2012. The video comments include: Three ring-shaped objects seem to phase into view. Object seems to power up before taking off. As the object files past the sun, a solar reaction is observed. This proves again that the UFO is real a clear and defined interaction between the object and the sun. (Source: YouTube: StephenHannardADGUK) (Benjamin Creme's Master explains that the object was a spacecraft from Mars. The speculation that a solar reaction is observed is not accurate. The spacecraft was actually registering and calculating a great release of energy from the sun, which is occurring now, and we on Earth are just beginning to feel it.) http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm#signs http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm#signs Now we have it. Benjamin Creme's master must be an idiot. And like master, like disciple, the disciple must not be far behind. 1) The 'object' is reflections in the SOHO optics caused by the bright flare; the dark center in the reflection is the shadowing made by the occulting disk that is used in such optics to block the brilliance of the sun so the much dimmer corona can be photographed. Did you or NASA make this claim ? 2) Supposing this object is actually something near the Sun, it would be at least the size of Jupiter or over twenty times the size of the planet Mars, ergo, could not come from Mars, and could not have been built on any planet in the Solar System, as a spacecraft that size, even built in space here would require metallic and rocky materials of a mass equal to all the planets in the Solar System combined, and those planets are still round about. Since when did you become an expert on the construction of UFO's ? What is Benji smoking these days? Cigarillos. May I suggest that you stick to law and surfing ?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Signs
As I posted earlier even among the New Age-ers Creme is petty much a joke. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 1:29 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Signs --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: NASA – Footage from NASA's Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) in space shows a UFO that appears to fly through the sun's corona. Published on YouTube on 6 March 2013. (Source: YouTube: StephenHannardADGUK) (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that the huge spacecraft was from the planet Mars.) [Share International photo for May 2013 x80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb6; Footage from NASAx80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb2;s Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO)] NASA – Footage taken by SOHO can be seen in a video called UFO Creates Massive Sun Flash, uploaded on 14 June 2012. The video comments include: Three ring-shaped objects seem to phase into view. Object seems to power up before taking off. As the object files past the sun, a solar reaction is observed. This proves again that the UFO is real – a clear and defined interaction between the object and the sun. (Source: YouTube: StephenHannardADGUK) (Benjamin Creme's Master explains that the object was a spacecraft from Mars. The speculation that a solar reaction is observed is not accurate. The spacecraft was actually registering and calculating a great release of energy from the sun, which is occurring now, and we on Earth are just beginning to feel it.) http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm#signs http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm#signs Now we have it. Benjamin Creme's master must be an idiot. And like master, like disciple, the disciple must not be far behind. 1) The 'object' is reflections in the SOHO optics caused by the bright flare; the dark center in the reflection is the shadowing made by the occulting disk that is used in such optics to block the brilliance of the sun so the much dimmer corona can be photographed. 2) Supposing this object is actually something near the Sun, it would be at least the size of Jupiter or over twenty times the size of the planet Mars, ergo, could not come from Mars, and could not have been built on any planet in the Solar System, as a spacecraft that size, even built in space here would require metallic and rocky materials of a mass equal to all the planets in the Solar System combined, and those planets are still round about. What is Benji smoking these days?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dwarf Planet Astrology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - Richard Feynman Here's another: I think it's much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers which might be wrong. One more: I have to argue about flying saucers on the beach with people, you know. And I was interested in this: they keep arguing that it is possible. And that's true. It is possible. They do not appreciate that the problem is not to demonstrate whether it's possible or not but whether it's going on or not. Most pertinent. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: I know exactly what my motives are for correcting your misunderstandings of astrology (not for defending it as a valid system; as I've said, I'm highly dubious of it). I find your brand of arrogant ignorance disgraceful, because it gets in the way of determining what's really going on. It's actually *anti-scientific*. So you don't believe it either? You just like arguing, admit it. And you seem to have decided Jungs ideas are the *real* astrology? You should tell the all the other astrologers they are still measuring planetary positions and birth dates. And of course I'm anti-scientific for thinking about it but I notice you still can't point me in the direction of a study that shows a measurable signal, any positive hit would be a starting point. That's how science works. And of course, you aren't going to explain what astrology *really* is because I wouldn't understand, or do you just accept that the term a-causal must be right because it obviates the need for testing? Because you are wrong if you think it would. I suspect you just don't want to get into discussing Jung too deeply. Especially regarding how it affects astrology readings, but you've decided I'm not worth talking to due to my disgraceful arrogance. Which is handy for you. I read synchronicity yonks ago. It's one of those things you either believe or you don't and for every hit there is a miss, I've told you what I think of it. It really doesn't change how we might find out the validity of birth chart predictions. I actually don't care how you find my brand of thinking, until you, or anyone, comes up with some evidence to the contrary I will continue to think that astrology is a baseless belief system. S/N first.
[FairfieldLife] The Rubber Duck Project
http://www.florentijnhofman.nl/dev/project.php?id=192 The Chinese Communist Party is apparently not too happy with the crop of fakes currently floating around China: http://www.cpaglobal.com/newlegalreview/5532/rubber_duck_decoys_destroy_chi http://tinyurl.com/mhtk4y3
[FairfieldLife] The Pope Song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=rTIorwtJbhE
[FairfieldLife] Re: Timing the upcoming major stock market crash?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: Any day soon I might try to time the upcoming major stock market crash à la 1929, on the basis of that Uranus/Pluto square in (tropical) cardinal signs! Then again, I mightn't... LoL! But it almost certainly takes place between now and 2016! Mr. Creme has some interesting thoughts regarding your prediction: Q. Will the world stock market crash foretold by Maitreya initiate a period of extreme economic hardships or will these hardships be avoided with the help of Maitreya? A. The stock market crash which Maitreya says is inevitable will obviously lead to changes. These have been predicted to take the form of a reorientation of priorities by governments around the world. Adequate food, housing, health care and education, as universal rights, will become the aim. This can hardly be called hardship. To achieve this for all, of course, will require a fairer distribution of the world's resources and therefore some sacrifice on the part of the presently richer nations. Q. Maitreya has said that in Islam no interest should be charged on capital. Since the Western economies survive on interest, should the West do away with its economic system? A. The short answer to that is yes. It is a completely irrational system which has brought us to the verge of destruction. Maitreya calls market forces - which are the basis of the Western economic system and another term for `greed' - the forces of evil. He says there is nothing more destructive than the blind following of market forces and any nation which does so will reap destruction. The philosophy of market forces presupposes that everyone stands at the same level, with the same amount of money and the same needs. The fact is that the gap between the developed world and the Third World is getting wider every day. The nations of the Third World are supposed to conform to market forces - and if they go to the World Bank or IMF for aid, as a condition of that aid, inevitably, is some reorganization of their economy which takes a major account of market forces. This is destroying the economy of the Third World, so much so that, the year before last, $40 million million more went from the Third World to the developed world in repayment on loans than from the developed world to the Third World in new loans. It is nothing to do with aid. It is usury. Q. What would an appropriate socio-economic system for the coming age look like? A. To my mind it would have to reflect the inner connectedness of people with one another and with the planet. A sustainable sufficiency would have to replace the present system of over-production, competition and waste. Therefore, interdependence and co-operation, social justice, freedom and sharing would be the keynotes of a viable spiritually-based system. It would also have to take account of, and provide opportunities for, man's individual initiative and creative enterprise but not at the expense of social justice and group good. Maitreya, through His associate, has said that the unification of Germany is the symbol of this future social system: not capitalism versus communism, but social democracy or democratic socialism with full participation of all peoples in their own government. Housewives, doctors, artists, teachers, etc, would play their full part in government of the people, for the people, by the people; something never achieved before, East or West. Q. Will the Stock Market Crash be followed by hyperinflation or deflation? A. Deflation Q. When the stock market crashes (1) How can we protect ourselves from the effect of a stock market crash? (2) Will there be a shortage of food, medicine water, gas electricity, and jobs etc.? (3) will there be pensions in the future? A. (1) Everyone will be affected to a greater or lesser degree. The best protection is not to invest in the stock marked. (2) Not if properly organized and people do not hoard. Obviously, jobs in some sectors will suffer, as now. (3) Yes. Q. How will a financial breakdown of developed markets result in a more fair distribution of wealth to under- developed countries (2) and when? A. (1) Maitreya will emerge as soon as the `meltdown' is global and He will advocate the principle of sharing as the only answer to our economic problems. When we see this, we will put into place the plans for redistribution of resources which already exist, waiting to be implemented. This `meltdown' of the markets is indeed now becoming global in extent. (2) It is impossible to give a precise date but everything points to very soon.
[FairfieldLife] FW Visiting Fairfield, Iowa - Francis Bennett of Buddha at the Gas Pump
FW - Original Message - Francis Bennett will be in town, speaking at Morning Star on Sat night June 227 pm http://batgap.com/francis-bennett/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jamaica 2013
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Every vacation in Jamaica for the past seven years has been a brand new adventure for nine year-old Juliette. Last year, she went parasailing for the first time. This year she's into making underwater videos. Her surprise gift came with a clue: Jacque Cousteau which she Googled. With a hint that he filmed underwater sea life, she guessed an underwater camera and burst with excitement. The Nikon COOLPIX AW100 Waterproof camera is easy as pie to operate, perfect for a kid her age. She shot the video and I edited it for her, not too bad for a first attempt. Just fabulous. What a terrific thing for a kid to be able to do. She was using a snorkel, I assume, right? We stay at one of the older resorts, Holiday Inn Sun Spree Montego Bay. It's right on the ocean. Most newer hotels are a hike to the beach. We vacation here every year because it's conveniently located and super kid-friendly, lots of planned activities, evening entertainment, glass-bottom boat, sailboating, parasailing, and snorkeling equipment. Juliette tried snorkeling when she was six and took to it right away. She recorded ten minutes of video while snorkeling with her camera, most of it was pretty jumpy but she recorded enough for a decent video. She wants to post a link to it on the Kids Blog that her Challenge Program teacher (a program for gifted kids) set up for her classmates. The camera is a huge hit...a very cool experience for a budding Jacqueline Cousteau. She wants to scuba but sadly, she's not much bigger than the tanks. Jacques must be thrilled at the thought of hordes of little Cousteaus swimming around, potential marine biologists 20 or so years from now. http://youtu.be/YW4lP5y0SxQ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: NASA Footage from NASA's Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) in space shows a UFO that appears to fly through the sun's corona. Published on YouTube on 6 March 2013. (Source: YouTube: StephenHannardADGUK) (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that the huge spacecraft was from the planet Mars.) [Share International photo for May 2013 x80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb6; Footage from NASAx80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb2;s Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO)] NASA Footage taken by SOHO can be seen in a video called UFO Creates Massive Sun Flash, uploaded on 14 June 2012. The video comments include: Three ring-shaped objects seem to phase into view. Object seems to power up before taking off. As the object files past the sun, a solar reaction is observed. This proves again that the UFO is real a clear and defined interaction between the object and the sun. (Source: YouTube: StephenHannardADGUK) (Benjamin Creme's Master explains that the object was a spacecraft from Mars. The speculation that a solar reaction is observed is not accurate. The spacecraft was actually registering and calculating a great release of energy from the sun, which is occurring now, and we on Earth are just beginning to feel it.) http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm#signs http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm#signs Now we have it. Benjamin Creme's master must be an idiot. And like master, like disciple, the disciple must not be far behind. 1) The 'object' is reflections in the SOHO optics caused by the bright flare; the dark center in the reflection is the shadowing made by the occulting disk that is used in such optics to block the brilliance of the sun so the much dimmer corona can be photographed. Did you or NASA make this claim ? 2) Supposing this object is actually something near the Sun, it would be at least the size of Jupiter or over twenty times the size of the planet Mars, ergo, could not come from Mars, and could not have been built on any planet in the Solar System, as a spacecraft that size, even built in space here would require metallic and rocky materials of a mass equal to all the planets in the Solar System combined, and those planets are still round about. Since when did you become an expert on the construction of UFO's ? What is Benji smoking these days? I don't know if he still smokes but he used to smoke Cigarillos. May I suggest that you stick to law and surfing ? Anyway Xeno, I was waiting for your explanation about your reflection theory, but I gather you are dabbling in something useful, something you actually know, like surfing for example. When you have the time, take a look at the actual video; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYGa8p-rwz8 And while you're at it, try explaining how optical reflection can move within a frame taken with equipment that is standing still. Good luck !
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Anyway Xeno, I was waiting for your explanation about your reflection theory, but I gather you are dabbling in something useful, something you actually know, like surfing for example. When you have the time, take a look at the actual video; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYGa8p-rwz8 And while you're at it, try explaining how optical reflection can move within a frame taken with equipment that is standing still. Good luck ! Nabby I will look at the video. I just took a cursory look at it. When I replied before I was using a tablet that did not support Flash, and had a slow connexion, so I could only look at the still picture. The video, if it was not faked, looks more like something much closer to the camera, out of focus, passed near the space craft. That means it was not very large and not near the sun. But I have to find out more info. Cheers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Let's put this discussion on a more factual basis (John, this is for your information as well): --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: So did his [Liberace's] Jyotish reading indicate he was a risk taker? A sexual risk taker in particular or just someone like any other person who is willing to climb a mountain, jump big jumps on horses, become a Fireman, join the military, become a prostitute - all risky behaviour? Of course, gay sex is not necessarily riskier than hetero sex At the time, it was *much* riskier because the incidence of HIV infection among gay men was much greater than it was in heterosexuals. But it isn't known when Liberace became HIV-positive. It's been reported that he was already symptomatic in 1985. If so, it means he could have contracted the virus in the very early days of the epidemic before enough was known about the disease for him to have even been aware that gay sex was risky. The earliest report of AIDS in a medical publication was in 1981, when the CDC described a cluster of five men in Los Angeles who had died of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia, one of the otherwise-rare opportunistic infections to which people with depressed immune systems are vulnerable. Of course the disease causing the immune deficiency hadn't yet been identified as such, and it would be awhile before it was realized that it could be spread via sexual contact. One of the reasons AIDS was able to spread as it did before it was recognized as a new disease is that the *average* time from infection to illness is eight to ten years. - just ask those Doctors treating millions of people with AIDS in Africa, for example. Patient 0 in North America just happened to have been a gay man. Worse, because it contributed to the ongoing prejudice against gays, a gay man who was also a rather promiscuous flight attendant. He became a one-man pandemic, a Typhoid Mary for our times. Well, no, actually he didn't, as it turned out. He would have infected more than a few men, but the idea that he started the epidemic in North America all by himself has been found to have been a myth. A number of gay men like him, who traveled a lot and were promiscuous, were responsible for their own clusters of infection, from which the virus subsequently spread widely. Moreover, it has since been discovered that the first death from AIDS in the U.S. occurred in 1969, and that HIV may have been responsible for even earlier deaths. Had the AIDS virus infected Warren Beatty, who claims to have had sex with hundreds and perhaps thousands of women (he can't remember), would the virus have been called in its early days the movie star plague instead of what it WAS called, the gay plague? Wonderful example of Barry's slovenly thinking. I think not. Homophobes keep associating AIDS with gay sex because that fuels their hatred of gays and gives them more justifications for keeping that hatred alive. They have no similar hatred towards movie stars. AIDS was called the gay plague (including by gays) because most of the cases of it in the U.S. were in gay men. There's no way to sugar-coat this: gay men were particularly vulnerable because in those days gay men were particularly promiscuous. But then one has to ask: Why were they so promiscuous? There's an excellent case to be made that it was a reaction to social prejudice against homosexuality. Having many sexual partners was one thing a gay man could do to boost his self-esteem in defiance of the condemnation. Society didn't allow gay men a lot of other options. Plus which, social disapproval of homosexuality resulted in significant delays in awareness and research and treatment. Bottom line, many thousands more gay men died of AIDS in the U.S. than would have been the case in the absence of homophobia. For me this is the greatest part of this tragedy. If all AIDS sufferers had been blond haired, blue eyed Caucasian children sired by parents with annual incomes over $100,000 per year this disease, initially, would have been tackled a lot earlier and more aggressively and with many more resources.
[FairfieldLife] Re: someone who understands M.E.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: While we're at it, since both of you are talking about dharma as if it were a Done Deal, and you understand what it is, what is it? Define dharma for us. Dharma? Duty in life. Look, the science now is quite evidently clear on the virtues of meditation as it is in our spiritual experience when cultivated. Successful human life is a flow of public responsibility and spirituality in the human form. Hence it should become everyone's duty to come to meditation now and thus dharma and duty are intertwined. It is that simple. To fall from dharma obviously is sin. A failure of duty, adharma. This is manifestly natural law. It is that simple, -Buck, a Conservative Meditator in the Dome In this (Yoga) no effort is lost and no obstacle exists. Even a little of this dharma delivers from great fear. Xenophaneros: Dharma is what happens. Only what happens is what actually happens in the universe. Nothing but this happens. This is dharma. You do not have to do or believe anything to be in your dharma. Try and stop it... Dharma is a causal nexus, an infinitely complex network of conditions. According to the oldest philosophy in India, all things happen for a reason; there are no chance events; and no events are spontaneously self-generated. Events happen due to causation, the natural law of action and reaction, where relative conditioned reflexes depend on prior events, i.e. this because of that, just like in billiards, where physics rules and gravity sucks. There are NO exceptions to the law of causation, which is the causal nexus. There is no personal demi-urge, or ghost in the machine, who interferes in human affairs, dividing history in half, thus upsetting the laws of nature. Time is an illusion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jamaica 2013
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Every vacation in Jamaica for the past seven years has been a brand new adventure for nine year-old Juliette. Last year, she went parasailing for the first time. This year she's into making underwater videos. Her surprise gift came with a clue: Jacque Cousteau which she Googled. With a hint that he filmed underwater sea life, she guessed an underwater camera and burst with excitement. The Nikon COOLPIX AW100 Waterproof camera is easy as pie to operate, perfect for a kid her age. She shot the video and I edited it for her, not too bad for a first attempt. http://youtu.be/YW4lP5y0SxQ Wonderful. She must have been transfixed by that experience. What a thrill! I would have been beside myself to have been able to do that as a 9 year old. Fun music. If you don't want to write a book Raunchy, you should make a film.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Le Creme de la Creme
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Sometimes when I am bored, I find stuff on the web: You know of Benjamin Creme, right, and his relation to Jesus, and you know about Benjamin Cremeâs prophetic function in regard to the coming of the Super Fifth Degree Master and Teacher, the great and mighty all-powerful Maitreya, who outranks Jesus himself, right? Wrong, Maitreya is a 7'th degree Master. Guru Dev is a 6'th degree Master. If you're bored and obviously obsessed with people like Mr. Benjamin Creme, at least you could get the facts straight. Ah, what's 2 degrees of masterdom between friends? I'd find this Maitreya an easier figure to rally round if I knew who he/she was. Even if they just collected the interviews so we could see the wisdom, people would be a bit more enthusiastic I'm sure. Why the secrecy? You can only hold our enthusiastic attention for so long you know He always seemed to turn up in the New Age lecture calendars, a distinguished-looking gentleman who had something to say about the Second Coming of the Christ. I recall something about Jesus having already come back, that he was living quietly in London, awaiting recognition. Wrong again, Jesus never lived in London. True enough, I just visit at weekends. Since you obviously are unable to get even the simplest information correctly I suggest that you start some self-study: http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm Priesthoods always act as an intermediary between some usually invisible or hidden knowledge and the common schmuk, that is how they keep their job. This is how 'favoured' disciples also act between their master and those 'below' them on the groupie scale. I think this is a bad way to advance spiritually, to ride on the coattails of the leader. Spirituality is not about being a follower forever; if you do not gain autonomy, you are doomed spiritually. Creme would be out of the limelight if his supposed master really appeared. As long as he can keep his fictional (Buddhist-derived) master hidden behind a wall of mystery and anticipation, he can get points for revealing snippets of stuff proffered under the title of 'wisdom'. Creme is pretty old now, so it will be interesting to find out what happens if he dies soon. My speculation is the whole thing will die out, or perhaps some of his more hare-brained followers will try to keep up the illusion. I would say that is a fairly safe prediction. I don't think there is a third option.
[FairfieldLife] Re: someone who understands M.E.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: While we're at it, since both of you are talking about dharma as if it were a Done Deal, and you understand what it is, what is it? Define dharma for us. Dharma? A book review around dharma: http://www.jyotish.ws/wisdom/review_maharishi_gita.html Dharma? Duty in life. Look, the science now is quite evidently clear on the virtues of meditation as it is in our spiritual experience when cultivated. Successful human life is a flow of public responsibility and spirituality in the human form. Hence it should become everyone's duty to come to meditation now and thus dharma and duty are intertwined. It is that simple. To fall from dharma obviously is sin. A failure of duty, adharma. This is manifestly natural law. It is that simple, -Buck, a Conservative Meditator in the Dome In this (Yoga) no effort is lost and no obstacle exists. Even a little of this dharma delivers from great fear. Xenophaneros: Dharma is what happens. Only what happens is what actually happens in the universe. Nothing but this happens. This is dharma. You do not have to do or believe anything to be in your dharma. Try and stop it... Dharma is a causal nexus, an infinitely complex network of conditions. According to the oldest philosophy in India, all things happen for a reason; there are no chance events; and no events are spontaneously self-generated. Events happen due to causation, the natural law of action and reaction, where relative conditioned reflexes depend on prior events, i.e. this because of that, just like in billiards, where physics rules and gravity sucks. There are NO exceptions to the law of causation, which is the causal nexus. There is no personal demi-urge, or ghost in the machine, who interferes in human affairs, dividing history in half, thus upsetting the laws of nature. Time is an illusion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Philosophy Of Arseholeness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: Browsing in the high-falutin' section of my local book shop today I came across this: Assholes: A Theory by philosopher Aaron James http://www.faculty.uci.edu/profile.cfm?faculty_id=4884 Sounds like fun. (But alas it's cheaper online so my local shop may loose out). Don't be a cheap A-hole and buy it from your local book store. I mean, surely you can afford to spend an extra $5-$10 to support the little independent. (BTW what's the difference between an asshole and an arsehole? Does one get published, and the other not? Or are we, as so often, divided by our common language?) From a review on Amazon: James classifies a-holes by type, including the boorish a-hole (Rush Limbaugh, Michael Moore), the smug a-hole (Richard Dawkins, Larry Summers), the a-hole boss (Naomi Campbell), the presidential a-hole (Hugo Chavez), the reckless a-hole (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld), the self-aggrandizing a-hole (Ralph Nader), the cable news a-hole (Neil Cavuto, Keith Olbermann), and the delusional a-hole (Kanye West, Wall Street bankers). James covers the spectrum from liberals to conservatives in his search for a-holes and applies his test with, I think, a nonpartisan outlook. Also looking promising and about my tribe: How the Hippies Saved Physics: Science, Counterculture, and the Quantum Revival
[FairfieldLife] Re: Timing the upcoming major stock market crash?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: Any day soon I might try to time the upcoming major stock market crash à la 1929, on the basis of that Uranus/Pluto square in (tropical) cardinal signs! Then again, I mightn't... LoL! But it almost certainly takes place between now and 2016! Yes and so will countless other events. People seem to love the idea of catastrophe, economic meltdown, political upheaval, world paradigms and drama in general.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: what you fail to take into consideration is that your Taliban-like leaders took their cue from Marshy himself and that YEARS of TM, TMSP, rounding, and being around Marshy has led them to this pass - draw - my suggestion is get out before you waste anymore time, effort, energy and money. Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the Country of Global Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism pains me greatly. We have suffered many blows as a result of extremism. -Buck Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies Urgently A 'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM movement. A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a meditation group for the Dome meditation numbers. A meditation without fear. The TM movement's anti-saint policies have long bred hypocrisy and contempt for the movement and its leadership inside and outside the meditating community. We need only look at the decades long slide in numbers meditating or the Dome meditation numbers. They are down and it is an uphill fight to get numbers back against the hard-heads on top. Simply to save the Dome numbers meditating there needs to come along a flat out repeal movement against these Dome policies. The Dome policies and guidelines have clearly failed to sustain our numbers and it is time and has become our larger responsibility to change those guidelines with repeal. The Taliban-like leaders of the movement with their anti-saint policies have made for a TM movement of corruption, liars and hypocrites. More than reforming, the time is come for the repeal of the anti-saint polices to save the Dome meditating program; Repeal now the anti-saint guidelines to save the Dome numbers. The saints are returning soon again. It is a fact of life. Repeal the TM-Anti-Saint policies now to save the Domes before it is too late.. The time has come to make your voice heard and join the Anti-Saint repeal movement for all our benefit. Repealing TM's anti-saint policies it seems has terribly strong parallels to the context of the 18th Amendment 'Repeal Movement' in the 20th Century. Take a look at this short piece on Pauline Sabin of the movement to repeal the 18th amendment: A theme of the undoing of the 'dry's' from early was their own self-destruct of unbending policies in the face of a reality. Sort of like TM's movement administration trying to restrict and prohibit its own people from visiting other saints and holy people and only relying on its own TM teachers and consultants. As comparison critique this is a thought provoking documentary on Pauline Sabin and the movement to repeal the 18th Amendment, Have a look: http://www.wgbh.org/programs/Baseball-The-Tenth-Inning-1199/episodes/Women-of-PROHIBITION-Pauline-Sabin-34763 Yeah, you say this NOW, now that it's come out that he is married and has been for many years. But I wonder what excuses you make for him lying about it for so long, and to so many? That is a really tough question. That could easily be someone's scholarly thesis topic alone on Fairfield. How meditators have dealt with the deceit and moral dissonance of their leadership. That became more directly addressed in a series of posts by a range of old meditators writing on FFL between Christmas and New Year's a month ago. It was really interesting to read how different people resolved their relationship with the Tmo. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Back then it seems the problems were more simply over the money, fund-raising technique and the anti-saint policy that were driving people away. Even Back then there were yet some lot of 'unknowns' like the women to be discovered. Surveying the old [meditating] community, The old survey that was done is archived here in the FFL files section. It is real interesting trend-reading to look at now. Things were in motion then even back in the '90's and early '00's and yet still unresolved now. Look in the 'files' section under the folder FFL and Fairfield Community about surveys. To be able to read the survey results here you got to be a registered yahoo groups FFL member to open the files. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: ---
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: NASA Footage from NASA's Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) in space shows a UFO that appears to fly through the sun's corona. Published on YouTube on 6 March 2013. (Source: YouTube: StephenHannardADGUK) (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that the huge spacecraft was from the planet Mars.) [Share International photo for May 2013 x80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb6; Footage from NASAx80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb2;s Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO)] NASA Footage taken by SOHO can be seen in a video called UFO Creates Massive Sun Flash, uploaded on 14 June 2012. The video comments include: Three ring-shaped objects seem to phase into view. Object seems to power up before taking off. As the object files past the sun, a solar reaction is observed. This proves again that the UFO is real a clear and defined interaction between the object and the sun. (Source: YouTube: StephenHannardADGUK) (Benjamin Creme's Master explains that the object was a spacecraft from Mars. The speculation that a solar reaction is observed is not accurate. The spacecraft was actually registering and calculating a great release of energy from the sun, which is occurring now, and we on Earth are just beginning to feel it.) http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm#signs http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm#signs Now we have it. Benjamin Creme's master must be an idiot. And like master, like disciple, the disciple must not be far behind. 1) The 'object' is reflections in the SOHO optics caused by the bright flare; the dark center in the reflection is the shadowing made by the occulting disk that is used in such optics to block the brilliance of the sun so the much dimmer corona can be photographed. Did you or NASA make this claim ? 2) Supposing this object is actually something near the Sun, it would be at least the size of Jupiter or over twenty times the size of the planet Mars, ergo, could not come from Mars, and could not have been built on any planet in the Solar System, as a spacecraft that size, even built in space here would require metallic and rocky materials of a mass equal to all the planets in the Solar System combined, and those planets are still round about. Since when did you become an expert on the construction of UFO's ? What is Benji smoking these days? Cigarillos. May I suggest that you stick to law and surfing ? I thought it was that Maerek (sp) guy who was the surfing lawyer not Xeno.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies
As the Global Country of World Peace exists only in the minds of those too blind to see Marshy's legacy for what it was, a scam, you are in danger of losing nothing and the extremism you speak of has existed for decades - it ain't gonna change now, Pappy. From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 10:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: what you fail to take into consideration is that your Taliban-like leaders took their cue from Marshy himself and that YEARS of TM, TMSP, rounding, and being around Marshy has led them to this pass - draw - my suggestion is get out before you waste anymore time, effort, energy and money. Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the Country of Global Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism pains me greatly. We have suffered many blows as a result of extremism. -Buck Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies Urgently A 'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM movement. A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a meditation group for the Dome meditation numbers. A meditation without fear. The TM movement's anti-saint policies have long bred hypocrisy and contempt for the movement and its leadership inside and outside the meditating community. We need only look at the decades long slide in numbers meditating or the Dome meditation numbers. They are down and it is an uphill fight to get numbers back against the hard-heads on top. Simply to save the Dome numbers meditating there needs to come along a flat out repeal movement against these Dome policies. The Dome policies and guidelines have clearly failed to sustain our numbers and it is time and has become our larger responsibility to change those guidelines with repeal. The Taliban-like leaders of the movement with their anti-saint policies have made for a TM movement of corruption, liars and hypocrites. More than reforming, the time is come for the repeal of the anti-saint polices to save the Dome meditating program; Repeal now the anti-saint guidelines to save the Dome numbers. The saints are returning soon again. It is a fact of life. Repeal the TM-Anti-Saint policies now to save the Domes before it is too late.. The time has come to make your voice heard and join the Anti-Saint repeal movement for all our benefit. Repealing TM's anti-saint policies it seems has terribly strong parallels to the context of the 18th Amendment 'Repeal Movement' in the 20th Century. Take a look at this short piece on Pauline Sabin of the movement to repeal the 18th amendment: A theme of the undoing of the 'dry's' from early was their own self-destruct of unbending policies in the face of a reality. Sort of like TM's movement administration trying to restrict and prohibit its own people from visiting other saints and holy people and only relying on its own TM teachers and consultants. As comparison critique this is a thought provoking documentary on Pauline Sabin and the movement to repeal the 18th Amendment, Have a look: http://www.wgbh.org/programs/Baseball-The-Tenth-Inning-1199/episodes/Women-of-PROHIBITION-Pauline-Sabin-34763 Yeah, you say this NOW, now that it's come out that he is married and has been for many years. But I wonder what excuses you make for him lying about it for so long, and to so many? That is a really tough question. That could easily be someone's scholarly thesis topic alone on Fairfield. How meditators have dealt with the deceit and moral dissonance of their leadership. That became more directly addressed in a series of posts by a range of old meditators writing on FFL between Christmas and New Year's a month ago. It was really interesting to read how different people resolved their relationship with the Tmo. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Back then it seems the problems were more simply over the money, fund-raising technique and the anti-saint policy that were driving people away. Even Back then there were yet some lot of 'unknowns' like the women to be discovered. Surveying the old [meditating] community, The old survey that was done is archived here in the FFL files section. It is real interesting trend-reading to look at now. Things were in motion then even back in the '90's and early '00's and yet still unresolved now. Look in the 'files' section under the folder FFL and Fairfield Community about surveys. To be able to read the survey results here you
[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: As the Global Country of World Peace exists only in the minds of those too blind to see Marshy's legacy for what it was, a scam, you are in danger of losing nothing and the extremism you speak of has existed for decades - it ain't gonna change now, Pappy. It seems that extremists on both sides are determined to maintain the state of hostility and hatred between the two positions, but logic says that there should be a change of direction in order to turn a new page in this unstable relationship and minimize the state of hostility and mistrust between the two positions. Everyone around the Prime Minister is saying they are only waiting for the guy to die to resolve the conflict. However in mediation let us hope for a communal peace and reconciliation in a large group meditation before then. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: what you fail to take into consideration is that your Taliban-like leaders took their cue from Marshy himself and that YEARS of TM, TMSP, rounding, and being around Marshy has led them to this pass - draw - my suggestion is get out before you waste anymore time, effort, energy and money. Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the Country of Global Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism pains me greatly. We have suffered many blows as a result of extremism. -Buck Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies  Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies Urgently A 'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM movement. A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a meditation group for the Dome meditation numbers. A meditation without fear. The TM movement's anti-saint policies have long bred hypocrisy and contempt for the movement and its leadership inside and outside the meditating community. We need only look at the decades long slide in numbers meditating or the Dome meditation numbers. They are down and it is an uphill fight to get numbers back against the hard-heads on top. Simply to save the Dome numbers meditating there needs to come along a flat out repeal movement against these Dome policies. The Dome policies and guidelines have clearly failed to sustain our numbers and it is time and has become our larger responsibility to change those guidelines with repeal. The Taliban-like leaders of the movement with their anti-saint policies have made for a TM movement of corruption, liars and hypocrites. More than reforming, the time is come for the repeal of the anti-saint polices to save the Dome meditating program; Repeal now the anti-saint guidelines to save the Dome numbers. The saints are returning soon again. It is a fact of life. Repeal the TM-Anti-Saint policies now to save the Domes before it is too late.. The time has come to make your voice heard and join the Anti-Saint repeal movement for all our benefit. Repealing TM's anti-saint policies it seems has terribly strong parallels to the context of the 18th Amendment 'Repeal Movement' in the 20th Century. Take a look at this short piece on Pauline Sabin of the movement to repeal the 18th amendment: A theme of the undoing of the 'dry's' from early was their own self-destruct of unbending policies in the face of a reality. Sort of like TM's movement administration trying to restrict and prohibit its own people from visiting other saints and holy people and only relying on its own TM teachers and consultants. As comparison critique this is a thought provoking documentary on Pauline Sabin and the movement to repeal the 18th Amendment, Have a look: http://www.wgbh.org/programs/Baseball-The-Tenth-Inning-1199/episodes/Women-of-PROHIBITION-Pauline-Sabin-34763 Yeah, you say this NOW, now that it's come out that he is married and has been for many years. But I wonder what excuses you make for him lying about it for so long, and to so many? That is a really tough question. That could easily be someone's scholarly thesis topic alone on Fairfield. How meditators have dealt with the deceit and moral dissonance of their leadership. That became more directly addressed in a series of posts by a range of old meditators writing on FFL between Christmas and New Year's a month ago. It was really interesting to read how different people resolved their relationship with the Tmo. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Back then it seems the problems were more simply over the money, fund-raising technique and the anti-saint policy that were driving people away. Even Back then there were yet some lot of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: NASA Footage from NASA's Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) in space shows a UFO that appears to fly through the sun's corona. Published on YouTube on 6 March 2013. (Source: YouTube: StephenHannardADGUK) (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that the huge spacecraft was from the planet Mars.) [Share International photo for May 2013 x80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb6; Footage from NASAx80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb2;s Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO)] NASA Footage taken by SOHO can be seen in a video called UFO Creates Massive Sun Flash, uploaded on 14 June 2012. The video comments include: Three ring-shaped objects seem to phase into view. Object seems to power up before taking off. As the object files past the sun, a solar reaction is observed. This proves again that the UFO is real a clear and defined interaction between the object and the sun. (Source: YouTube: StephenHannardADGUK) (Benjamin Creme's Master explains that the object was a spacecraft from Mars. The speculation that a solar reaction is observed is not accurate. The spacecraft was actually registering and calculating a great release of energy from the sun, which is occurring now, and we on Earth are just beginning to feel it.) http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm#signs http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm#signs Now we have it. Benjamin Creme's master must be an idiot. And like master, like disciple, the disciple must not be far behind. 1) The 'object' is reflections in the SOHO optics caused by the bright flare; the dark center in the reflection is the shadowing made by the occulting disk that is used in such optics to block the brilliance of the sun so the much dimmer corona can be photographed. Did you or NASA make this claim ? 2) Supposing this object is actually something near the Sun, it would be at least the size of Jupiter or over twenty times the size of the planet Mars, ergo, could not come from Mars, and could not have been built on any planet in the Solar System, as a spacecraft that size, even built in space here would require metallic and rocky materials of a mass equal to all the planets in the Solar System combined, and those planets are still round about. Since when did you become an expert on the construction of UFO's ? What is Benji smoking these days? I don't know if he still smokes but he used to smoke Cigarillos. May I suggest that you stick to law and surfing ? Anyway Xeno, I was waiting for your explanation about your reflection theory, but I gather you are dabbling in something useful, something you actually know, like surfing for example. When you have the time, take a look at the actual video; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYGa8p-rwz8 And while you're at it, try explaining how optical reflection can move within a frame taken with equipment that is standing still. Good luck ! NASA explains the marks in the LASCO coronagraph images in two ways. 1. Comic rays tear through the sensor and leave a streak. 2. There are occasionally dust particles that float by and as the optics are focused on infinity they are out of focus. I do not know the exposures times for these images, but the camera is not operating at frame rates like for movies or TV. The system can transmit images 10 per hour, so that seems to be what the instrument is capable of. The video on youtube besides being edited for effect, also show tinkering - the flashing of the 'spacecraft' - while the object flashes the noise in the supposed multiple frames does not change, so it is a doctored effect. The actual movement of the object between frames is probably authentic. It is probably out-of-focus dust. There are many optical elements in the LASCO coronagraph, and mulitple reflections of bright objects in the system can create this effect. The dark 'holes' in the object seem to be the effect of the occulting disk. Modern catadioptric telescope optics often have mirrors cemented in the center of one of the lenses - this makes for shorter lighter instruments, such as a catadioptirc telephoto camera lens for regular photography. With a coronagraph, the surface of the sun is blocked optically within the telescope tube but dust particles near the craft but out side the tube are fully illuminated by the sun so they appear very bright, and out of focus. Here is some information on the coronagraphs on SOHO - there are several of them:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: In addition, NASA seems to keep lists of images that have debris and other glitches in them. Here is one of them: ftp://lasco6.nascom.nasa.gov/pub/lasco/status/LASCO_Debris_List Youtube is probably not the place to get this information. You need to get original unaltered images. The images are processed to some extent on the spacecraft - they have to be subjected to lossy compression to reduce transmission time, about a factor of 10X, so some detail in the images is lost, though most is not visually significant.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
The scientists working on AIDS are making huge advances in treatment, and have been fiercely dedicated to slowing the spread of AIDS, since it first appeared. Treatment, at least in California, has been, and is, widely available, and income sensitive. The most difficult issue has been that HIV is a virus, and so it is both well protected, and very difficult to eradicate from the body. Considering the brief space of time since the epidemic began, it is nothing short of a miracle, to me, that it is no longer considered 100% fatal, and lifespans of those infected have greatly increased. Back in the late '80's, AIDS = death, automatically, and conclusively. Anti-viral drugs were just being introduced, and they were quite toxic. That is no longer the case, and that is amazing. I am all for further and faster advances, but there has been no shortage of resources put into this battle. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Let's put this discussion on a more factual basis (John, this is for your information as well): --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: So did his [Liberace's] Jyotish reading indicate he was a risk taker? A sexual risk taker in particular or just someone like any other person who is willing to climb a mountain, jump big jumps on horses, become a Fireman, join the military, become a prostitute - all risky behaviour? Of course, gay sex is not necessarily riskier than hetero sex At the time, it was *much* riskier because the incidence of HIV infection among gay men was much greater than it was in heterosexuals. But it isn't known when Liberace became HIV-positive. It's been reported that he was already symptomatic in 1985. If so, it means he could have contracted the virus in the very early days of the epidemic before enough was known about the disease for him to have even been aware that gay sex was risky. The earliest report of AIDS in a medical publication was in 1981, when the CDC described a cluster of five men in Los Angeles who had died of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia, one of the otherwise-rare opportunistic infections to which people with depressed immune systems are vulnerable. Of course the disease causing the immune deficiency hadn't yet been identified as such, and it would be awhile before it was realized that it could be spread via sexual contact. One of the reasons AIDS was able to spread as it did before it was recognized as a new disease is that the *average* time from infection to illness is eight to ten years. - just ask those Doctors treating millions of people with AIDS in Africa, for example. Patient 0 in North America just happened to have been a gay man. Worse, because it contributed to the ongoing prejudice against gays, a gay man who was also a rather promiscuous flight attendant. He became a one-man pandemic, a Typhoid Mary for our times. Well, no, actually he didn't, as it turned out. He would have infected more than a few men, but the idea that he started the epidemic in North America all by himself has been found to have been a myth. A number of gay men like him, who traveled a lot and were promiscuous, were responsible for their own clusters of infection, from which the virus subsequently spread widely. Moreover, it has since been discovered that the first death from AIDS in the U.S. occurred in 1969, and that HIV may have been responsible for even earlier deaths. Had the AIDS virus infected Warren Beatty, who claims to have had sex with hundreds and perhaps thousands of women (he can't remember), would the virus have been called in its early days the movie star plague instead of what it WAS called, the gay plague? Wonderful example of Barry's slovenly thinking. I think not. Homophobes keep associating AIDS with gay sex because that fuels their hatred of gays and gives them more justifications for keeping that hatred alive. They have no similar hatred towards movie stars. AIDS was called the gay plague (including by gays) because most of the cases of it in the U.S. were in gay men. There's no way to sugar-coat this: gay men were particularly vulnerable because in those days gay men were particularly promiscuous. But then one has to ask: Why were they so promiscuous? There's an excellent case to be made that it was a reaction to social prejudice against homosexuality. Having many sexual partners was one thing a gay man could do to boost his self-esteem in defiance of the condemnation. Society didn't allow gay men a lot of other options. Plus which, social disapproval of homosexuality resulted in significant
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Philosophy Of Arseholeness
Funny list! The only one who doesn't belong on there is Hugo C. Because he nationalized First World assets in his country, and dared to form an independent alliance with other central and south american countries, he is consistently vilified in the West. I can think of a *much* better choice for the presidential a-hole, anyway... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: Browsing in the high-falutin' section of my local book shop today I came across this: Assholes: A Theory by philosopher Aaron James http://www.faculty.uci.edu/profile.cfm?faculty_id=4884 Sounds like fun. (But alas it's cheaper online so my local shop may loose out). (BTW what's the difference between an asshole and an arsehole? Does one get published, and the other not? Or are we, as so often, divided by our common language?) From a review on Amazon: James classifies a-holes by type, including the boorish a-hole (Rush Limbaugh, Michael Moore), the smug a-hole (Richard Dawkins, Larry Summers), the a-hole boss (Naomi Campbell), the presidential a-hole (Hugo Chavez), the reckless a-hole (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld), the self-aggrandizing a-hole (Ralph Nader), the cable news a-hole (Neil Cavuto, Keith Olbermann), and the delusional a-hole (Kanye West, Wall Street bankers). James covers the spectrum from liberals to conservatives in his search for a-holes and applies his test with, I think, a nonpartisan outlook. Also looking promising and about my tribe: How the Hippies Saved Physics: Science, Counterculture, and the Quantum Revival
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
I'm well aware of the advances and the difficulties. I certainly didn't intend to slight the efforts and dedication of the researchers, who did and continue to do extraordinary work. I'm thinking of the fact that your former governor, Ronald Reagan, as president didn't think AIDS was worth mentioning for far too long; communities sat on their hands instead of working on awareness; and funds for research were not that high a priority to start with. It's a whole 'nother side of the story, a very ugly one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: The scientists working on AIDS are making huge advances in treatment, and have been fiercely dedicated to slowing the spread of AIDS, since it first appeared. Treatment, at least in California, has been, and is, widely available, and income sensitive. The most difficult issue has been that HIV is a virus, and so it is both well protected, and very difficult to eradicate from the body. Considering the brief space of time since the epidemic began, it is nothing short of a miracle, to me, that it is no longer considered 100% fatal, and lifespans of those infected have greatly increased. Back in the late '80's, AIDS = death, automatically, and conclusively. Anti-viral drugs were just being introduced, and they were quite toxic. That is no longer the case, and that is amazing. I am all for further and faster advances, but there has been no shortage of resources put into this battle. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Let's put this discussion on a more factual basis (John, this is for your information as well): --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: So did his [Liberace's] Jyotish reading indicate he was a risk taker? A sexual risk taker in particular or just someone like any other person who is willing to climb a mountain, jump big jumps on horses, become a Fireman, join the military, become a prostitute - all risky behaviour? Of course, gay sex is not necessarily riskier than hetero sex At the time, it was *much* riskier because the incidence of HIV infection among gay men was much greater than it was in heterosexuals. But it isn't known when Liberace became HIV-positive. It's been reported that he was already symptomatic in 1985. If so, it means he could have contracted the virus in the very early days of the epidemic before enough was known about the disease for him to have even been aware that gay sex was risky. The earliest report of AIDS in a medical publication was in 1981, when the CDC described a cluster of five men in Los Angeles who had died of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia, one of the otherwise-rare opportunistic infections to which people with depressed immune systems are vulnerable. Of course the disease causing the immune deficiency hadn't yet been identified as such, and it would be awhile before it was realized that it could be spread via sexual contact. One of the reasons AIDS was able to spread as it did before it was recognized as a new disease is that the *average* time from infection to illness is eight to ten years. - just ask those Doctors treating millions of people with AIDS in Africa, for example. Patient 0 in North America just happened to have been a gay man. Worse, because it contributed to the ongoing prejudice against gays, a gay man who was also a rather promiscuous flight attendant. He became a one-man pandemic, a Typhoid Mary for our times. Well, no, actually he didn't, as it turned out. He would have infected more than a few men, but the idea that he started the epidemic in North America all by himself has been found to have been a myth. A number of gay men like him, who traveled a lot and were promiscuous, were responsible for their own clusters of infection, from which the virus subsequently spread widely. Moreover, it has since been discovered that the first death from AIDS in the U.S. occurred in 1969, and that HIV may have been responsible for even earlier deaths. Had the AIDS virus infected Warren Beatty, who claims to have had sex with hundreds and perhaps thousands of women (he can't remember), would the virus have been called in its early days the movie star plague instead of what it WAS called, the gay plague? Wonderful example of Barry's slovenly thinking. I think not. Homophobes keep associating AIDS with gay sex because that fuels their hatred of gays and gives them more justifications for keeping that hatred alive. They have no similar hatred towards movie stars.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: NASA Footage from NASA's Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) in space shows a UFO that appears to fly through the sun's corona. Published on YouTube on 6 March 2013. (Source: YouTube: StephenHannardADGUK) (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that the huge spacecraft was from the planet Mars.) [Share International photo for May 2013 x80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb6; Footage from NASAx80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb2;s Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO)] NASA Footage taken by SOHO can be seen in a video called UFO Creates Massive Sun Flash, uploaded on 14 June 2012. The video comments include: Three ring-shaped objects seem to phase into view. Object seems to power up before taking off. As the object files past the sun, a solar reaction is observed. This proves again that the UFO is real a clear and defined interaction between the object and the sun. (Source: YouTube: StephenHannardADGUK) (Benjamin Creme's Master explains that the object was a spacecraft from Mars. The speculation that a solar reaction is observed is not accurate. The spacecraft was actually registering and calculating a great release of energy from the sun, which is occurring now, and we on Earth are just beginning to feel it.) http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm#signs http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm#signs Now we have it. Benjamin Creme's master must be an idiot. And like master, like disciple, the disciple must not be far behind. 1) The 'object' is reflections in the SOHO optics caused by the bright flare; the dark center in the reflection is the shadowing made by the occulting disk that is used in such optics to block the brilliance of the sun so the much dimmer corona can be photographed. Did you or NASA make this claim ? 2) Supposing this object is actually something near the Sun, it would be at least the size of Jupiter or over twenty times the size of the planet Mars, ergo, could not come from Mars, and could not have been built on any planet in the Solar System, as a spacecraft that size, even built in space here would require metallic and rocky materials of a mass equal to all the planets in the Solar System combined, and those planets are still round about. Since when did you become an expert on the construction of UFO's ? NASA spend billions trying to find life on Mars, they have a robot probe there at the moment. If there was any civilisation up there, let alone one that could build giant spaceships, they might have noticed by now, yet all they have found is a bit of frozen water and some organic molecules. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/9814256/Strongest-evidence-yet-to-there-being-life-on-Mars.html George Adamski claimed to have met Venusians before we knew that Venus had the most inhospitable atmosphere in the entire solar system. To keep up this Wellsian view of outerspace is quaint but surreal. Most sci-fi fantasists, like the alien abduction experiencers, have moved the subject of their dreams out of our vicinity and onto distant stars and constellations like the Pleidaes, which is another bad choice as far as sustaining organic life goes. These guys should do some research before committing themselves, but then people like me who do do research aren't the target market I guess. What is Benji smoking these days? Cigarillos. May I suggest that you stick to law and surfing ?
