Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Salya
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
I found this quite interesting. In retrospect, most of the flashy experiences
I had occurred during a seven-year period prior to and during my first few
years of TM. After that everything moved at a much slower grind. I had deep
open internal experiences, but no longer. At one point the CC experience was
very strong for some time and then departed. A sense of vast internal space. No
hum, but there was (and still is) a tape-hiss like sound, mostly in one ear,
perhaps the artefact of the one rock concert I ever went to.
It's funny how this works, I used to go to gigs all the time, I was even a big
fan of Motorhead, probably the loudest sound ever heard. I saw them at the
legendary Hammersmith Odeon once and it was so loud you couldn't tunr sideways
to the stage as it was like being stabbed with in the ear with a javelin. Punk
gigs were as raucous and I played in my own heavy heavy band for a while. Yet
my hearing is really superb, go figure. Maybe I got a siddhi after all!
But this hum was internal and everywhere at the same time. Most odd.
At the threshold of sensory experience is noise, like film grain or tape or
amplifier noise. When it is very dark, or the environment very silent, one can
experience directly the signal to noise in sensory processing. During the inner
silence of the CC experience, at that point, that internal space was what I
felt I was, but that sense of course disappeared with the evaporation of that
particular experience. This particular stage is commonly described clearly in
many traditions, perhaps because the contrast of silence versus activity is
greatest in the state; once the system starts to integrate more, that contrast
fades and finally vanishes.
Today my experience is really silent, but the sense of internal awareness as
distinct from the world is completely gone. So the idea of the Cartesian
theatre really does not compute for me, as there is an extraordinary dilute
sense of self now. It no longer feels as if there is a me watching. If there is
a 'watcher', i.e., awareness, it seems equally distributed 'inner and outer'
even though the term inner and outer doesn't cut it any more. Even though I now
meditate more than I ever have there is little sense of contrast with the
non-meditative periods and the feeling that meditation produces some special
state is pretty much shot now. There is a near total breakdown of the sense of
an individual self, which I think is really cool, but apparently it can be
unnerving to some people. Maybe we could call it 'narcissistic neutralisation'.
I can tell that I'm a long way from that because I read it with horror. The
ol' ego still clearly rules the roost in me. It's interesting though, and
obviously I can't imagine it because that would involve the bit of me that does
the imagining being less than it is. Or did I get that wrong? The obvious
question is: how do you know the self is reduced compared to the past? Seems
like there must be another self monitoring it.
That's what consciousness is like to me, a hall of mirrors. You can spin round
as fast as you like but you never catch yourself looking at yourself. But there
is always somebody watching, until I go to sleep and the whole biological
system shuts down. It seems like we do some radical re-plumbing to achieve all
this, or is consciousness only a tiny part of what the brain does that seems
vast because it's constructed to allow us to move about in this vast world and
is thus more amenable to changes from drugs and meditation etc..
Meditation appears to have a value still, but not to get to some other state
of experience, experience is the same before, during, and after meditation. It
seems aside from a general resistance to feeling agitated, a lack of obsessive
thought, experience is the same as before I began meditation and cramming my
brain with spiritual terminology, as if everything is coming full circle, and
the alternative delusion of the spiritual path (as opposed to the delusion
prior to the spiritual path) is fading into the background. To state it
illogically, things are different but nothing has changed.
I do a few different types now. TM isn't always my favourite and in fact I
avoid it at certain times. A learnt a few mindfulness techniques that really
hit the spot without all that heady transcending and shaking and 10 minute
rests you have to endure with the Marshy way.
As to what it's doing I don't really know, I just like the freshness and
occasionally profound awareness. Can't say it has transformed my reaction to
stress, not as much as other things I've done. I'd reword the brochures if I
was in charge.
The real challenge is to find a way to describe this scientifically. I have
often thought that meditation produces common signalling in different parts of
the brain ('coherence') and as different parts of the
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Constructed Character of Knowing
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Simply put, no objects exist independently of their being known. I think the problem might be your language. The way this reads seems to suggest that there is no external reality and that we are required to collapse waveforms and create the world. Is this what you intend? This is important because terms like consciousness is the ultimate reality are pretty loaded and for someone like me who puts everything into a physics and evolutionary context gets the heebies with mystical mumbo jumbo because it has no basis in physics and I can't see how it doesn't contradict what we know about evolution entirely. As these are the cornerstones of knowledge it has to fit somebody has some explaining to do and I don't think will be me. Several people cannot see the same object and see it exactly as it is. We see only the attributes of an object, that is, we see only it's properties. We do not see gestalt wholes exactly as they are. Objects appear in consciousness as wholes, or 'gestalts'. They enter experience already made by each individual. According to my professor, it is obvious that different people may not see the same object exactly alike; just as it is - but may perceive different objects when confronted by the same stimulus source: We fail to take into account the constructed character of knowing - the term 'constructed character' of knowing is used to name the synthesizing process that goes on in the brain before experiences are produced. The various nervous impulses do not appear in consciousness to be knowingly assembled or constructed into an object. Consciousness is the ultimate reality - without it people would not be conscious - there would be no perception. This is a dirt simple fact of life requiring no further proof. No rational person would claim that don't exist, unless they were insane or demented - it's just not rational. We are conscious of ourselves enough to know that we exist and are self-conscious. It's all obvious if you ignore the misleadingly mysterious language, what I notice is that it doesn't offer an explanation other than that there must be something else. Replacing a mystery with a mystery in other words, I say wait until a bit more work has been done before we get all religious about it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Salya
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sal: It's all about what explanations you accept, some ancient authority that didn't know about things like evolution and the laws of physics or something a bit more nailed down and understood in relation to everything else. And preferably not contradicting everything else. That's an important bit. Ray: Here is where my idealism comes to the fore. I give my predessors on this rock, more credit. Oh, I give them tons of credit, I just think they were wrong because they didn't have a method of testing that would eliminate poor explanations. That's our best invention. I think they were probably just as determined to understand the whys and hows of the world around them worked, and so they used the only means they had available which was to go within, or possibly go out, in terms of the celestial. Absolutely. But since I am not much of a proponent of astrology, or jyotish, or whatever you want to call it, let me focus on the going in part. I don't pretend to understand the symbolism of the vedas, but I've read enough of the upanishads and texts like the Gita, as well as other bits of knowledge from that time to come to the conclusion that their inner research was on target in many ways. You mean you like their explanations? Sal: Yes and no. All life on earth is connected, the earth may as well be connected to the sun because gravity aint going anywhere. But does everything rely on everything else in some symbiotic sort of way? No, we are here despite the atmosphere and conditions on this planet, and it was trying to survive that made us smart not any creative intelligence. Life crawled out of a swamp and ended up with us and our experiences. Ray: Yes, that is the theory of evolution. But, I don't buy that particular version that you espouse here, at least as the development of humans. My version is more esoteric. If you ask me to provide some evidence, I can't. I know, because there is none. On the other hand, your version is just a theory too. You are not able to provide any definitive proof. Just a theory? There's no just about it. A theory is an idea that hopes to explain a set of data points. Evolution by natural selection has no contrary evidence and has a well understood method by which it works. You can test it by the fossil record, DNA and some of Darwin's experiments. It explains all complexity in life and all adaptations that any animal has. Life on Earth is descended from one cell, I think that's one of THE major discoveries. I think a lot of the problem people have with it is that it isn't explained well enough at school or in the media. Not enough to really get to grips with how it works. But it's the class leader in terms of explanations which is why everything else has to fit in with it. Sal: Some would say the size of the universe and the loss of all our precious beliefs about our superiority makes us mere insignificant specks, but maybe the ugly facts of nature make us the most important things in existence? Ray: Well, fortunately more evidence seems to be coming in all the time. On the other hand, just a few months ago everyone in the scientific community was all a twitter about the instant after the big bang when things were expanding faster than the speed of light for an instant, which accounted for the gravitation waves we see. And then, almost just a quick, it was found to have flaws. Maybe the knowledge we acquire on the inward stroke is more reliable. If it is in fact knowledge at all ;-) Knowledge about why we think this knowledge is superior would be more interesting to me! Luckily my tea breaks dictate the amount of waffle I can fit into a day. Is it High Tea or just a little break? (-: High tea of course old chap! But I'm foreswearing the cakes at the moment due to an expanding waistband. Earl gray only this week.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Constructed Character of Knowing
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Simply put, no objects exist independently of their being known. --- Salyawin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I think the problem might be your language. The way this reads seems to suggest that there is no external reality and that we are required to collapse waveforms and create the world. Is this what you intend? This is important because terms like consciousness is the ultimate reality are pretty loaded and for someone like me who puts everything into a physics and evolutionary context gets the heebies with mystical mumbo jumbo because it has no basis in physics and I can't see how it doesn't contradict what we know about evolution entirely. As these are the cornerstones of knowledge it has to fit somebody has some explaining to do and I don't think will be me. Non-localized 'quantum consciousness' and localized 'biological consciousness' might be two very different things all together. It's important to maintain that distinction between the two while discussing this. This doesn't really contradict evolution. Several people cannot see the same object and see it exactly as it is. We see only the attributes of an object, that is, we see only it's properties. We do not see gestalt wholes exactly as they are. Objects appear in consciousness as wholes, or 'gestalts'. They enter experience already made by each individual. According to my professor, it is obvious that different people may not see the same object exactly alike; just as it is - but may perceive different objects when confronted by the same stimulus source: We fail to take into account the constructed character of knowing - the term 'constructed character' of knowing is used to name the synthesizing process that goes on in the brain before experiences are produced. The various nervous impulses do not appear in consciousness to be knowingly assembled or constructed into an object. Consciousness is the ultimate reality - without it people would not be conscious - there would be no perception. This is a dirt simple fact of life requiring no further proof. No rational person would claim that don't exist, unless they were insane or demented - it's just not rational. We are conscious of ourselves enough to know that we exist and are self-conscious. --- Salyawin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's all obvious if you ignore the misleadingly mysterious language, what I notice is that it doesn't offer an explanation other than that there must be something else. Replacing a mystery with a mystery in other words, I say wait until a bit more work has been done before we get all religious about it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
--- Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It seems possible that causality is pure bunk. It seems possible that we all have a Divine Hand up our kazoos, and so, how Lord Henson determines which glove-thing is going to be creating the illusion kissing Ms. Pig tomorrow at 3 P.M. is an impossible-for-Kermit-to-grok aspect of reality. Consider how Krishna insisted karma is unfathomable.to history's best warrior in the midst of great urgency. Big K was not lying to anyone that day, ya know? And then there's Brahma diving down the Lotus Stalk for 3,000 of HIS YEARSnot human yearsand then He quit -- deciding that there was no calculus that could give closure to the particular kind of endlessness He'd explored. Gave up. Gave fucking up. God gave up. And here's our unmerry band of FFL fools trashing each other like all of us had such transcendent KEN -- unknown to Krishna and Brahma -- that we could assign ANY blame upon any entity anywhere, anywhen -- whilst not the least true sentience in all the universe is to be found in this uncausably divine Punchin' Judy Show. TL;dr version: ain't nobody here wut knowz'z next thought. BAM! That's the core axiom of conscious: whence thoughts? What have any of us to do with thoughts? Where is traction for any will to be expressed? We can't purposefuly grow hair, beat hearts or ever have a thought we'd planned-in-detail to have. The Divine Automaton just keep clicking its gears. Does ya feel lucky, Punky? Take into account billions and billions of barren planets in this universe, on which life never evolved. It's obvious that we got here by random, chance accident. Also take into account many parallel universes in which the laws of physics were slightly different, and lost stability and immediately collapsed. It's quite possible that such failed universes dissipated quickly before life could arise in them. Add to it the fact that 99% percent of species that ever existed on earth itself went extinct. The earth itself is not in the middle of the sweet spot of the habitable zone. We are precariously close to the hot zone border. Push earth just 5% percent inside and it will become like venus. I just don't see any 'personal god' anywhere. It was just a totally random chance accident.
[FairfieldLife] Flow State, captured on film
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[FairfieldLife] Re: SBS and Sri Yantra
Thanks for posting. Does anyone know where Guru Dev's Sri Yantra is today, and is this kind of worship practised today ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Often symbols can be a superior form of communication other than mere words. Before the invention of writing In India symbols were employed for teaching the nature of the ultimate reality. For example, the bindu is a symbol in Sri Vidya and is sometimes mistaken to mean a symbol for the 'point of return' - for the shakti. However, the bindu is actually the point of origin in Sri Vidya based on the Sri Yantra, the ancient wheel symbol. So, let's sum up what we know about the Sri Yantra and SBS: All the Shankaracharya Saraswati tantrics know the symbol of the Sri Yantra - where the bindu is the point of origin - the petals and the gates are the point of return. The small dot in the middle of of the intersecting triangles in the Sri Yantra is the bindu, the central focus of every Shankaraharya Dasanami Sanyyasin. In the SBS mediation the bija doesn't go up or down or sideways or here or there: it returns to it's point of origin, the most subtle part of the mind where consciousness and thinking begins. The Sri Vidya meditation of SBS, because it consists of indestructible seed syllables or bija mantras rather than words, transcends such mundane considerations as meaning. A meditation that is based on mantric symbology, is not only esoteric but superior to meditation on words with semantic meaning. According to Swami Rama, Swami Brahmananda had a Sri Yantra made out of rubies, and as he showed it to me, he explained the way he worshipped it. 'Living With the Himalayan Masters' By Swami Rama Himalayan Institute Press, 1978 page 243
[FairfieldLife] Re: The original mad scientist
He was also thown into prison and killed the by American authorities for claiming, and rightly so, that the orgone energy could cure cancer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Wilhelm Reich has always struck me a someone who was crying out to have his life story filmed: a brilliant student of Freud before being rejected by this father figure; expelled from the psychoanalytic community because of his Communist leanings; expelled from the German Communist Party because he set up clinics offering free advice on sex to young people; expelled from Germany by the Nazis; . . . he got up the nose of a lot of people! Then when he arrived in the States he really went off the rails: he claimed to have proved the existence of orgone energy (similar to the Chinese chi and the Hindu prana); then he discovered D.O.R. (deadly orgone energy) which was exacerbated by the nuclear testing of the 1950s. He capped it all by building Orgone Accumulators to capture chi energy (William Burroughs had one), and he used Cloudbusters to cause rainfall - and he even insisted he'd destroyed a UFO. Anyway, a German film has appeared (blatently taking Reich's side) about the last years of Reich's life and covers all of the above (minus the UFO). It's not bad and some naughty person has downloaded a high-definition copy onto YouTube so watch it while you can. The opening few minutes are in German (seems to be a young Reich reading a paper before Freud and colleagues and getting the cold shoulder) but the rest of the movie is in English. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEilU4jRaTo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEilU4jRaTo
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Salya
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sal: It's all about what explanations you accept, some ancient authority that didn't know about things like evolution and the laws of physics or something a bit more nailed down and understood in relation to everything else. And preferably not contradicting everything else. That's an important bit. Ray: Here is where my idealism comes to the fore. I give my predessors on this rock, more credit. Salyawin: Oh, I give them tons of credit, I just think they were wrong because they didn't have a method of testing that would eliminate poor explanations. That's our best invention. I think they were probably just as determined to understand the whys and hows of the world around them worked, and so they used the only means they had available which was to go within, or possibly go out, in terms of the celestial. Salyawin: Absolutely. But since I am not much of a proponent of astrology, or jyotish, or whatever you want to call it, let me focus on the going in part. I don't pretend to understand the symbolism of the vedas, but I've read enough of the upanishads and texts like the Gita, as well as other bits of knowledge from that time to come to the conclusion that their inner research was on target in many ways. Salyawin: You mean you like their explanations? Sal: Yes and no. All life on earth is connected, the earth may as well be connected to the sun because gravity aint going anywhere. But does everything rely on everything else in some symbiotic sort of way? No, we are here despite the atmosphere and conditions on this planet, and it was trying to survive that made us smart not any creative intelligence. Life crawled out of a swamp and ended up with us and our experiences. Ray: Yes, that is the theory of evolution. But, I don't buy that particular version that you espouse here, at least as the development of humans. My version is more esoteric. If you ask me to provide some evidence, I can't. I know, because there is none. On the other hand, your version is just a theory too. You are not able to provide any definitive proof. Just a theory? There's no just about it. A theory is an idea that hopes to explain a set of data points. Evolution by natural selection has no contrary evidence and has a well understood method by which it works. You can test it by the fossil record, DNA and some of Darwin's experiments. It explains all complexity in life and all adaptations that any animal has. Life on Earth is descended from one cell, I think that's one of THE major discoveries. I think a lot of the problem people have with it is that it isn't explained well enough at school or in the media. Not enough to really get to grips with how it works. But it's the class leader in terms of explanations which is why everything else has to fit in with it. The ever expanding fossil record, proved the theory of evolution beyond a shadow of doubt. The discovery that a small mutation in the hox genes can trigger massive changes in the organism, gives insight into how evolution actually works on the genetic level. Sal: Some would say the size of the universe and the loss of all our precious beliefs about our superiority makes us mere insignificant specks, but maybe the ugly facts of nature make us the most important things in existence? Ray: Well, fortunately more evidence seems to be coming in all the time. On the other hand, just a few months ago everyone in the scientific community was all a twitter about the instant after the big bang when things were expanding faster than the speed of light for an instant, which accounted for the gravitation waves we see. And then, almost just a quick, it was found to have flaws. Maybe the knowledge we acquire on the inward stroke is more reliable. If it is in fact knowledge at all ;-) Knowledge about why we think this knowledge is superior would be more interesting to me! Luckily my tea breaks dictate the amount of waffle I can fit into a day. Is it High Tea or just a little break? (-: High tea of course old chap! But I'm foreswearing the cakes at the moment due to an expanding waistband. Earl gray only this week.
[FairfieldLife] Proof that Group Meditation can Change the World
“I think the claim can be plausibly made that the potential impact of this research exceeds that of any other ongoing social or psychological research program. It has survived a broader array of statistical tests than most research in the field of conflict resolution. This work and the theory that informs it deserve the most serious consideration by academics and policy makers alike.” — David Edwards Ph.D., Professor of Government, University of Texas at Austin. - See more at: http://www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com/proof-that-group-meditation-can-change-the-world/#sthash.dkuwSWD3.dpuf http://www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com/proof-that-group-meditation-can-change-the-world/#sthash.dkuwSWD3.dpuf http://www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com/proof-that-group-meditation-can-change-the-world/ http://www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com/proof-that-group-meditation-can-change-the-world/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Win-Win
Barry pulling back: Version 30.0 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I think I reached a cusp with regard to my participation in this tiny frog pond in cyberspace we call Fairfield Life recently, during my vacation in France and after returning to Leiden. As I've said before, due to the overposting of a few and the Duh! quotient of a few others, I realized that reading through FFL had become more a chore for me than it was a pleasure. That's always a bit of a red flag...I don't tend to linger long around either women or environments that are as high maintenance as FFL had become. :-) I could have reacted to this by just going away, as so many before me have done. But every so often Xeno or Salyavin or Michael or Bhairitu or merudanda or azgrey or Alex or any number of other people post something really interesting, something that tempts me both to read it and reply. I realized that I'd actually *miss* that if I gave up on the place and followed Curtis, Vaj, Marek, Joe, Sally Sunshine and so, so many others into the sunset. At the same time, I'm a pragmatic occultist and I want my time at Fairfield Life to be as productive as possible, requiring of me as little wasted time as possible. With that in mind, I have chosen to keep on truckin' along the FFL Way, but while technologically pursuing the path of ignoring and not bothering to read posts made by a small number of people. They all have a track record of wasting my time. I don't want to waste my time any more. They're toast. The way I figure it, ignoring these people enables me to avoid having to interact with them at the same time I get to stick around and enjoy the posts of people I *do* enjoy interacting with. Win-Win. Some people would call this an exercise in mindfulness. You may call it whatever you want. If it twists your panties and makes you feel the need to call it -- or me -- something nasty, chances are I'll auto-nuke your post and never read it. See what I mean? Win-Win. :-) :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proof that Group Meditation can Change the World
Nabby, Thank you for this link. I know more people will become aware of this peace technology through sites like these. It continues to amaze me how individual governments pursue the strangest sort of approaches to peace (ie We'll see you to the doors of hell), but won't try being peaceful. Time will tell. Dan
[FairfieldLife] Milky-Way is on the outskirts of Laniakea supercluster
Our galaxy Milky-Way is on the outskirts of a massive supercluster called Laniakea, which consists of 100,000 large galaxies. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/ milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven
Re: [FairfieldLife] I Want to Publicly Thank s3erifina
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that's a pretty interesting beginning. Estes Park initiation. What did you think of Rinpoche? Dear Micheal, That was all pre-TM, and a long time ago. In the late 60's I couldn't get enough of the Self-Deveopment teachings coming around. Trungpa Rimpoche was probably the result of Paul Reps' writings. I was on a Yoga Retreats marathon. I probably, at that time, delved into Western self-development movements with equal gusto. That also led me towards TM, but first a stop at the University for 4 years' graduate work in Counseling Personal Development. Once Initiated in Jan '70, I stayed the Course. These days I help, when I can, with the publication of the TM works. I find it rewarding and am sometimes even appreciated. Now, Michael, tell me something I don't know about you. Probably best, however to stay away from your MUM years, as I think you may have covered some of that here. What else fills your life? Yours Truly, dannyboy From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] I Want to Publicly Thank s3erifina Dear Michael, Thank you for your personal interest. I began practicing TM in 1970. I had been investigating the spiritual landscape in NYC and California for a few years prior; including Swami Satchitananda (of Woodstock fame) and Trungpa Rimpoche. I'd been to some spiritual confluences in Colorado also. Read extensively (I am a consummate reader, something Maharishi kind of discouraged later, but that's my makeup). Once I decided that Maharishi had something (I'd read extensively again; SRM was on my block [WEA] and got my hands on a book of early lectures entitled Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. So I drove out to the Ricky Mountain National Park where Maharishi was conducting TTC in a Boyscout Camp outside Estes Park. I rented a cabin (that was built for Summer visitors and therefore uninsulated and unheated, in a community of hippies. Roomed with a Canadian, but that's a story for another time. I head over to Maharishi's for an audience. Rick Archer was attending. After waiting awhile (you must know by now that I am an impatient sort), the Course Leader explains that Maharishi is making Teachers that day, but that he personally, along with his wife will initiate me next day. Bring fruit...you know the drill. I liked it and stayed in the Mountain cabin for months. Came out and went to Amherst for the one-monther. Then on to Europe for TTC. It's been a nice trip for me, so I am glad you asked about it, and I could relive it. I understand when you express your displeasure with TMSP rounds. It ain't always easy. Hope all is well. Your well deserved friend, Dan
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Salya
Hey, our power just came back after being off since about 10:00 last night.
Talk about a bright light. That just happened when it came back on, and
virtually every light in house was still on.
Anyway, I was thinking about the interest in translating the so called
mystical experience into simply a function of a certain type of brain
activity.
That's fine I guess, unless there are other things going on, such as merging
with a blue pearl, and an equisite feeling of bliss, and maybe a sensation of a
heart melting, which you then happen to read about later in some text from long
ago, or in another spiritual aspirant's experience, so there really couldn't
have been much power of suggestion.
On the other hand, maybe it is just as you say, a Cartesian event of some
sort. I mean, sure, there is some likely some brain component to it, but it
does make me chuckle some.
On the other hand, if you are predisposed to discard most knowledge that has
come through the ages, just because it can't be proved by where science is now,
then I guess you are pretty much left with what has been discovered,and proved
as of today.
It's a safe road to travel, but I think a little dull. (-:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
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The real challenge is to find a way to describe this scientifically. I have
often thought that meditation produces common signalling in different parts of
the brain ('coherence') and as different parts of the brain have different
tasks and relate to different experiences, this common signalling could be
interpreted as a unifying background to all the other activity in the brain.
Also I think there is an assumption that a scientific explanation of spiritual
experiences must have a clear resemblance to how experiences are described
subjectively and described in spiritual literature, that a scientific
explanation must somehow verify the metaphysical explanations that have been
fostered in the past and present, and that may be an entirely wrong assumption.
It is already pretty clear that the sense of self, scientifically, has no
corresponding physical reality as an entity, that it is rather an interpretive
reality perhaps related to computational processing in the brain, that groups
certain experiences under an umbrella category — this is called bundle theory —
and in fact one of the achievements of spiritual practice is to disrupt the
individuality bundle into its separate components and regroup the components
under a 'larger' umbrella that is not a human psyche.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
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Consider this. Once, when I was a newbie meditator with no involvement with the
movement and no knowledge of Indian literature and philosophy, I was sitting in
my TM chair having a deep meddy when all of a sudden even the settled
mirror-like state I had reached disappeared in an instant and I was this vast
space, I mean infinite, and there was this huge humming noise. It lasted a
second and then I snapped back to reality in shock with my heart hammering.
What conclusions about reality can we draw from that? Or rather, what would
you infer? My guess is that with a grounding in Indian literature you might
infer that I had experienced the ved. I would agree. What I would most likely
disagree on is what the ved is. I know the mystic's explanation, here's mine:
Inside my head my brain conspires to create the world we percieve, to do this
it needs a sense of depth, and space and movement etc. These come from sense
data. It also needs a sense that there is a me observing it all. When the
brain settles down and the physiology changes different parts of the Cartesian
theatre start to switch off, the importance of sense data lessen and the part
of the brain that reacts to what it's seeing is partially deactivated without
any stimulus. If it can settle down completely all we are left with is the
sense of space and some sort of residual neural humming.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Salya
a smoking gun, a smoking gun!
step back a little Michael, and you gain perspective. in anything
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
Some quotes attributed to Maharishi (only one of which I have heard before):
CC is a pathetic state.
CC is enlightened ignorance.
CC is boring.
GC is distracting.
UC is lonely.
The one his closest teachers never told anyone about was What states of
consciousness? I made it all up!
From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]
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I found this quite interesting. In retrospect, most of the flashy
experiences I had occurred during a seven-year period prior to and during my
first few years of TM. After that everything moved at a much slower grind. I
had deep open internal experiences, but no longer. At one point the CC
experience was very strong for some time and then departed. A sense of vast
internal space. No hum, but there was (and still is) a tape-hiss like sound,
mostly in one ear, perhaps the artefact of the one rock concert I ever went to.
At the threshold of sensory experience is noise, like film grain or tape or
amplifier noise. When it is very dark, or the environment very silent, one can
experience directly the signal to noise in sensory processing. During the inner
silence of the CC experience, at that point, that internal space was what I
felt I was, but that sense of course disappeared with the evaporation of that
particular experience. This particular stage is commonly described clearly in
many traditions, perhaps because the contrast of silence versus activity is
greatest in the state; once the system starts to integrate more, that contrast
fades and finally vanishes.
Today my experience is really silent, but the sense of internal awareness as
distinct from the world is completely gone. So the idea of the Cartesian
theatre really does not compute for me, as there is an extraordinary dilute
sense of self now. It no longer feels as if there is a me watching. If there is
a 'watcher', i.e., awareness, it seems equally distributed 'inner and outer'
even though the term inner and outer doesn't cut it any more. Even though I now
meditate more than I ever have there is little sense of contrast with the
non-meditative periods and the feeling that meditation produces some special
state is pretty much shot now. There is a near total breakdown of the sense of
an individual self, which I think is really cool, but apparently it can be
unnerving to some people. Maybe we could call it 'narcissistic neutralisation'.
Meditation appears to have a value still, but not to get to some other state
of experience, experience is the same before, during, and after meditation. It
seems aside from a general resistance to feeling agitated, a lack of obsessive
thought, experience is the same as before I began meditation and cramming my
brain with spiritual terminology, as if everything is coming full circle, and
the alternative delusion of the spiritual path (as opposed to the delusion
prior to the spiritual path) is fading into the background. To state it
illogically, things are different but nothing has changed.
The real challenge is to find a way to describe this scientifically. I have
often thought that meditation produces common signalling in different parts of
the brain ('coherence') and as different parts of the brain have different
tasks and relate to different experiences, this common signalling could be
interpreted as a unifying background to all the other activity in the brain.
Also I think there is an assumption that a scientific explanation of spiritual
experiences must have a clear resemblance to how experiences are described
subjectively and described in spiritual literature, that a scientific
explanation must somehow verify the metaphysical explanations that have been
fostered in the past and present, and that may be an entirely wrong assumption.
It is already pretty clear that the sense of self, scientifically, has no
corresponding physical reality as an entity, that it is rather an interpretive
reality perhaps related to computational processing in the brain, that groups
certain experiences under an umbrella category — this is called bundle theory —
and in fact one of the achievements of spiritual practice is to disrupt the
individuality bundle into its separate components and regroup the components
under a 'larger' umbrella that is not a human psyche.
The Sam Harris Book Waking Up: A Guide to Spirituality Without Religion
becomes available on September 9, 2014
Some quotes attributed to Maharishi (only one of which I have heard before):
CC is a pathetic state.
CC is enlightened ignorance.
CC is boring.
GC is distracting.
UC is lonely.
From:
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Constructed Character of Knowing
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Simply put, no objects exist independently of their being known. Several people cannot see the same object and see it exactly as it is. We see only the attributes of an object, that is, we see only it's properties. We do not see gestalt wholes exactly as they are. Objects appear in consciousness as wholes, or 'gestalts'. They enter experience already made by each individual. According to my professor, it is obvious that different people may not see the same object exactly alike; just as it is - but may perceive different objects when confronted by the same stimulus source: We fail to take into account the constructed character of knowing - the term 'constructed character' of knowing is used to name the synthesizing process that goes on in the brain before experiences are produced. The various nervous impulses do not appear in consciousness to be knowingly assembled or constructed into an object. Consciousness is the ultimate reality - without it people would not be conscious - there would be no perception. This is a dirt simple fact of life requiring no further proof. No rational person would claim that don't exist, unless they were insane or demented - it's just not rational. We are conscious of ourselves enough to know that we exist and are self-conscious. We transform the vibrational structures of the world ino our own personal illusional solid objects by a deficiency of perception. The condition of our consciousness determine what we perceive. This must be repaired and developed. When we can be inside the observed object as we are inside the universe, we see it according to its true nature.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Want to Publicly Thank s3erifina
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : snip No one today reads Leadbeater for advice on sex. It's his books on clairvoyance and esoteric Christianity that have had a huge influence. I have read them, and enjoyed them, and learned from them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Milky-Way is on the outskirts of Laniakea supercluster
From: jedi_sp...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Our galaxy Milky-Way is on the outskirts of a massive supercluster called Laniakea, which consists of 100,000 large galaxies. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/ milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven And it is generally considered to be the asshole of the entire galactic supercluster, in the same way Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Sal
always worthwhile! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Sorry, I couldn't resist. Brandon Crook | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10203530471034923 https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10203530471034923 Brandon Crook | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10203530471034923 A Tour of the British Isles in Accents. Brilliant! x View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10203530471034923 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] 30-minute Program that can Change Public Education
TM Media Alert (USA): A 30-minute Program that can Change Public Education? -- the wannabe scientist -- Jacob Mitchell/September 4, 2014 http://thewannabescientist.com/a-30-minute-program-that-can-change-public-education/ Article's link to YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yni1REJYK6E
[FairfieldLife] Ringo Starr Touts TM at GQ Awards
From: TM Media Alert tmmediaal...@tm.org + David Lynch: TM will work for you VIEW EMAIL WITH IMAGES SEPTEMBER 5, 2014 MEDIA ALERT LATEST NEWS • VIDEOS • ARTICLES Ringo Starr Touts TM and the David Lynch Foundation at GQ Awards ABC News Radio / September 3, 2014 The former Beatles drummer received the Humanitarian Prize at the 17th annual edition of British GQ’s Men of the Year Awards because of his support for the David Lynch Foundation. “I truly believe in the David Lynch Foundation,” Ringo said in accepting his award. “They started to bring meditation into inner-city schools and now it’s a fact that in those schools and neighborhoods violence has gone down. Meditation brings people back to being human again.” ...more READ HERE Share this: NYC Fashion Designers Look to Transcendental Meditation CFDA Blog / September 3, 2014 “There is no drug or pill that can cure stress. We can mask the symptoms with these things, but they aren’t a cure.” So said Bob Roth, Executive Director of the David Lynch Foundation and guest panelist at the recent Health Initiative of the Council of Fashion Designers of America in New York City. Roth went on to explain that TM® practice, however, can be a cure. ...more READ HERE Share this: David Lynch: Transcendental Meditation Will Work for You Marlow Stern, The Daily Beast / August 28, 2014 The highly acclaimed movie director talks about how his foundation is helping veterans and at-risk populations. But the TM technique is for everyone, he explains. “If you’re a human being, Transcendental Meditation will work for you. Pretty much everybody’s got stress these days... Traumatic stress, tension, depression, sorrow, hate, anger, and fear—all of these things... start to lift away when you get a technique that allows you to transcend every day.” ...more READ HERE Share this: Katy Perry to Rolling Stone: Transcendental Meditation Is the Deepest Rest Your Brain Gets Michelle Butterly, Rolling Stone / August 14, 2014 In a follow-up interview with the popular magazine, the celebrity, Grammy-award-winning singer/songwriter opens up about why she practices the TM technique. Being on the road “...can be a little exhausting,” she says. “And meditation is actually the one time I get to really reset.” ...more READ HERE Share this: ©2014 Maharishi Foundation USA, a non-profit educational organization. All rights reserved. Transcendental Meditation® and TM® are protected trademarks and are used in the U.S. under license or with permission. You are subscribed as dickm...@lisco.com. Click here to manage your email subscription preferences. Click here or reply to this email with 'unsubscribe' in the subject to unsubscribe from this list or if you feel you have received this message in error. This message was sent from Maharishi Foundation USA, Inc. P.O. Box 670 Fairfield IA 52556 United States. Click here to report email abuse.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short History of TMer Newsgroups, Part 1
From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 12:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short History of TMer Newsgroups, Part 1 At first I though Judy was a 'plant' by the tmorg to defend MMY and the TMO's reputation, then I realized she was pretty much just posting her own opinions, some of which I agree with and some not I can see why you would have thought that. In retrospect, I think that Judy's biggest failure was that her enormous ego made her assume that everything she believed was hers, what she believed, and that any challenge to one of those beliefs was equivalent to a personal attack. The thing is, in all the time I dealt with her, I don't think I ever heard her express one original idea. 99.99% of everything she wrote was something she had been *told* -- by Maharishi or someone else -- but which she now saw only as her belief, something that had mystically originated with her, not something that was ever taught to her. So IMO when she sounded as if she was spouting TM dogma verbatim and thus being a plant, I doubt seriously that she ever realized she was doing it. She was just writing her beliefs, while completely, totally unaware that she had been indoctrinated to not only believe ever one of them, but to believe that she had never been taught them. My bet, by the way, is that she'll miraculously reappear on or shortly after September 23, having taken her version of Patent Oswalt's summer off. And bully for her if that's what she intended. The big question, however, is whether she'll be any different when she returns.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
Dear Xeno, You know what I objected to, but prefer to lecture. I do hope that Full Professorship does come your way. But, back to my objection, while we wait: Your Post reads: they are often related to issues that FFL was designed to investigate. 'Just Helping' (that's me) then pointed to the fallacy of your statement. Every time I come to fairfieldlife I read: Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere. Fairfield, Iowa is home to Maharishi University of Management, founded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in 1971. There are about 2000 Transcendental Meditation practitioners here, as well as many others pursuing various spiritual paths.What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite. ~ Bertrand RussellWe often discuss the trials and tribulations of the TM Movement, which may not interest some, but that's why God created the delete key. Discussions also draw from diverse teachers such as Ammachi, Eckhart Tolle, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Byron Katie, Dalai Lama, Jesus Christ, Buddha, Ramana Maharshi, Shankara, etc.The healthy mind challenges its own assumptions. ~ The I ChingPretty much any topic is fair game. Currently, there's a lot of discussion about American politics. We have discussed spirituality, politics, try to stay on topic, if you can.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Salya
Sal on Evolution: Just a theory? There's no just about it. A theory is an idea that hopes to explain a set of data points. Evolution by natural selection has no contrary evidence and has a well understood method by which it works. You can test it by the fossil record, DNA and some of Darwin's experiments. It explains all complexity in life and all adaptations that any animal has. Life on Earth is descended from one cell, I think that's one of THE major discoveries. I think a lot of the problem people have with it is that it isn't explained well enough at school or in the media. Not enough to really get to grips with how it works. But it's the class leader in terms of explanations which is why everything else has to fit in with it. Ray: Absolutely it is class leader in explaining much of what we see. But to call it complete, to call it the final word on human evolution, I must disagree. I don't think we have the definitive evidence, especially in this regard. Sal: High tea of course old chap! But I'm foreswearing the cakes at the moment due to an expanding waistband. Earl gray only this week. Ray; My God, do I see some similarities. In the winter, I always have some Earl Gray, or English breakfast tea, before I start out. But always with some heavy cream and honey. And yes, issues with an expanding waistline. I take way too many of my calories on sugar items. But, I've been able to hold steady, even if its at a higher weight than I'd like.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
Well, I'm glad that issue got resolved beyond a shadow of a doubt! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote : Take into account billions and billions of barren planets in this universe, on which life never evolved. It's obvious that we got here by random, chance accident. Also take into account many parallel universes in which the laws of physics were slightly different, and lost stability and immediately collapsed. It's quite possible that such failed universes dissipated quickly before life could arise in them. Add to it the fact that 99% percent of species that ever existed on earth itself went extinct. The earth itself is not in the middle of the sweet spot of the habitable zone. We are precariously close to the hot zone border. Push earth just 5% percent inside and it will become like venus. I just don't see any 'personal god' anywhere. It was just a totally random chance accident.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
snip You need to say more. Thanks for letting me off the hook with this. And good luck with your 'engram' and Scientology, they seem to be working effectively for you. Honest Love, Dan
Re: [FairfieldLife] Milky-Way is on the outskirts of Laniakea supercluster
Good morning, If you have ever really seen it, you would swallow those words. I was just outside in this early morning, where I now live, and the Milky Way is straight overhead, bursting full like a navy sequined blanket, both warm and cold, inviting and remote, and infinitely awe inspiring. Bright stars of all sizes, filling my view, and the deeper into any point I look, there are even more - brilliant hot diamonds of light; countless worlds and their heat, in the vastness of space. My advice? Simply look up more often, both inside, and out. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Our galaxy Milky-Way is on the outskirts of a massive supercluster called Laniakea, which consists of 100,000 large galaxies. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/ milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven And it is generally considered to be the asshole of the entire galactic supercluster, in the same way Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Milky-Way is on the outskirts of Laniakea supercluster
So Xeno, could we say that jedi's totally cool post triggered one of turq's samskaras? On Saturday, September 6, 2014 6:33 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: jedi_sp...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Our galaxy Milky-Way is on the outskirts of a massive supercluster called Laniakea, which consists of 100,000 large galaxies. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/ milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven And it is generally considered to be the asshole of the entire galactic supercluster, in the same way Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Milky-Way is on the outskirts of Laniakea supercluster
name and form, Fleetwood...spacious heaven (-: On Saturday, September 6, 2014 7:08 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Good morning, If you have ever really seen it, you would swallow those words. I was just outside in this early morning, where I now live, and the Milky Way is straight overhead, bursting full like a navy sequined blanket, both warm and cold, inviting and remote, and infinitely awe inspiring. Bright stars of all sizes, filling my view, and the deeper into any point I look, there are even more - brilliant hot diamonds of light; countless worlds and their heat, in the vastness of space. My advice? Simply look up more often, both inside, and out. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Our galaxy Milky-Way is on the outskirts of a massive supercluster called Laniakea, which consists of 100,000 large galaxies. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/ milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven And it is generally considered to be the asshole of the entire galactic supercluster, in the same way Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Milky-Way is on the outskirts of Laniakea supercluster
I guess what Barry doesn't understand is that Detroit is attempting to mount a comeback,and not without the goodwill of some monied interests. It's called people or communities pulling together. Too bad Barry has such as case of asshole consciousness. But, I suppose this is what passes for a sense of humor for him, or makes him feel good. What others call home sweet home, i.e. our Milky Way, is an asshole in his mind? Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Our galaxy Milky-Way is on the outskirts of a massive supercluster called Laniakea, which consists of 100,000 large galaxies. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/ milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven And it is generally considered to be the asshole of the entire galactic supercluster, in the same way Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
Might be time for you to check your own samskaras Ann. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 10:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : How does a human demonstrate he or she is honest? Maharishi and TM are the main axes that FFL, at least originally revolved around. The TM movement and its leaders seem to me to show certain deviations from open-hearted honesty. Such is the nature of human beings, especially those that cling to imaginary concepts. It is extraordinarily difficult to defend something as true and real when it is imaginary. Our business here is sorting it out. that leaves some on the side of finding things out, and others digging in to preserve the fantasy. We all make strange mistakes along the way. Unlike some here, I have always had the feeling that Maharishi knew that enlightenment was not what it was said to be. According to the way enlightenment is verbally defined, it could never actually be what it is said to be. Barry, Michael, others basically bring to light here people's samskaras, to use an Hindu term that means imprints left on the mind by experience. In Western thought the term 'engram', coined by Richard Semon in the very early 20th century represents the same or similar concept, that every psychological state corresponds to alterations in the nerves and that experience left mnemic traces in the nervous system. The term was later co-opted by Ron Hubbard when he made up Scientology. Meditation is a classic technique for loosening and diminishing these traces, and if enough loosening and diminishing is accomplished, the mind might see through its belief structure and get a glimpse of how it fabricates its version of reality, and once that happens the real work of spiritual growth can begin. The basic technique to bring certain kinds of samskaras to light (and not to remove them necessarily) is simply to attack a person's system of belief. A belief is an assumption that something is true without any relevant evidence that it is so, in other words, a belief is a pretence to knowledge. This method does not really work all that well with other kinds of traces left in the system such as shell shock (PTSD), but on a forum basically you have various people with divergent pretences to knowledge, and when you counter a pretence, you get a reaction. This is my reaction to your short and largely uninformative post, self-reported 'honest' Dan. The (apparently) late Judith Stein who posted here often extolled her honesty, but I think that is a bad tack to take considering we are humans. If we have to extol our alleged perfections, perhaps there is something hiding in a dark corner we would rather others not find. So far you have not helped. You need to say more. Just saying something is not so, does not make it not so. Wow Xeno, for a guy who has seen a few years, transcended a time or two and who ploddingly, dryly picks apart most subjects you certainly seem to miss the proverbial boat a lot. Do you ever break out of a shamble? Does red blood pump around in blue veins? Do you get angry, excited, passionate about anything? Bawee and MJ do NOT bring to light anyone's samskaras except what might exist as their own. These two are not catalysts for bringing to light anything but their own hanging on to past injury and perceived injustices which have resulted in anger and disappointment disguised as righteous desire to shake people up. Whatever they are doing simply pinpoints their own hanging on and resentment and for you to encourage or congratulate them is to illustrate your own limitations. Check the fluff box now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I call Bullshit! they are often related to issues that FFL was designed to investigate. Just helping, Honest Dan
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Constructed Character of Knowing
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Simply put, no objects exist independently of their being known. Several people cannot see the same object and see it exactly as it is. We see only the attributes of an object, that is, we see only it's properties. We do not see gestalt wholes exactly as they are. Objects appear in consciousness as wholes, or 'gestalts'. They enter experience already made by each individual. According to my professor, it is obvious that different people may not see the same object exactly alike; just as it is - but may perceive different objects when confronted by the same stimulus source: We fail to take into account the constructed character of knowing - the term 'constructed character' of knowing is used to name the synthesizing process that goes on in the brain before experiences are produced. The various nervous impulses do not appear in consciousness to be knowingly assembled or constructed into an object. Consciousness is the ultimate reality - without it people would not be conscious - there would be no perception. This is a dirt simple fact of life requiring no further proof. No rational person would claim that don't exist, unless they were insane or demented - it's just not rational. We are conscious of ourselves enough to know that we exist and are self-conscious. We transform the vibrational structures of the world ino our own personal illusional solid objects by a deficiency of perception. The condition of our consciousness determine what we perceive. This must be repaired and developed. When we can be inside the observed object as we are inside the universe, we see it according to its true nature. and then, there is the beauty of both. I find that by immersing myself deeply and completely into the natural world, it easily takes over, with any illusions impossible to maintain, in the face of such an overwhelming, experiential truth. There is no longer any opportunity, or need for interpretation, as the environment makes the rules, and I simply surrender to that. I am empty, then, to its fullness, the liveliness, and life within each pebble, each rock, on a mountainside of them, each tree, bush, shrub, ground plant, and moss. When I am with them all, I can feel my heart naturally and silently singing, and the natural world sings its many voices, back to me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Milky-Way is on the outskirts of Laniakea supercluster
Barry don't have no stinkin samskaras! Barry nearly perfect as is, or so it would seem. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : So Xeno, could we say that jedi's totally cool post triggered one of turq's samskaras? On Saturday, September 6, 2014 6:33 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Our galaxy Milky-Way is on the outskirts of a massive supercluster called Laniakea, which consists of 100,000 large galaxies. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/ milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven And it is generally considered to be the asshole of the entire galactic supercluster, in the same way Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts ...Barry, Michael, others basically bring to light here people's samskaras, to use an Hindu term that means imprints left on the mind by experience. An interesting perception. And possibly not lacking some accuracy as I sit here wondering how many here are going to respond to a post I made for fun earlier today as if their own, personal self-importance was challenged by me dissing the *galaxy* they live in. Now *that* would be the self-importance samskara, revealed.:-) :-) :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Proof that Group Meditation can Change the World
From the article: When the study was repeated in Wales, they got amazing results. In 1987 Merseyside had the third highest crime rate of the eleven largest Metropolitan Areas in England and Wales; by 1992 it had the lowest crime rate. 40% below levels predicted by the previous behaviour of the series.There were 255,000 less crimes in Merseyside from 1988 to 1992 than would have been expected had Merseyside continued to follow the national crime trend. So how bout it Sal? Were you there when the Movement had such fabulous results in Wales? If this were true, one logical question to ask is how could England later become a Scorpionland when it had plenty of purusha, governors and siddhas all over the UK? How could such powerful technology not have worked to prevent Merrye Olde Englande from becoming Scorpionland? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 6:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Proof that Group Meditation can Change the World “I think the claim can be plausibly made that the potential impact of this research exceeds that of any other ongoing social or psychological research program. It has survived a broader array of statistical tests than most research in the field of conflict resolution. This work and the theory that informs it deserve the most serious consideration by academics and policy makers alike.” — David Edwards Ph.D., Professor of Government, University of Texas at Austin. - See more at: http://www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com/proof-that-group-meditation-can-change-the-world/#sthash.dkuwSWD3.dpuf http://www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com/proof-that-group-meditation-can-change-the-world/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
Cheap thrills for Barry. Pushing people's buttons, or the attempt thereof, and then the gloating, see what I've done hooboy. TBFTGOGGI(there but for the grace of God, go I) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts ... Barry, Michael, others basically bring to light here people's samskaras, to use an Hindu term that means imprints left on the mind by experience. An interesting perception. And possibly not lacking some accuracy as I sit here wondering how many here are going to respond to a post I made for fun earlier today as if their own, personal self-importance was challenged by me dissing the *galaxy* they live in. Now *that* would be the self-importance samskara, revealed.:-) :-) :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] I Want to Publicly Thank s3erifina
I like to write sometimes but not about TM or TM stuff. what fills my life these days is watching my daughter grow up and hoping she will use her graphic arts talents for something other than being a tatoo artist when she hits 21. From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] I Want to Publicly Thank s3erifina ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that's a pretty interesting beginning. Estes Park initiation. What did you think of Rinpoche? Dear Micheal, That was all pre-TM, and a long time ago. In the late 60's I couldn't get enough of the Self-Deveopment teachings coming around. Trungpa Rimpoche was probably the result of Paul Reps' writings. I was on a Yoga Retreats marathon. I probably, at that time, delved into Western self-development movements with equal gusto. That also led me towards TM, but first a stop at the University for 4 years' graduate work in Counseling Personal Development. Once Initiated in Jan '70, I stayed the Course. These days I help, when I can, with the publication of the TM works. I find it rewarding and am sometimes even appreciated. Now, Michael, tell me something I don't know about you. Probably best, however to stay away from your MUM years, as I think you may have covered some of that here. What else fills your life? Yours Truly, dannyboy From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] I Want to Publicly Thank s3erifina Dear Michael, Thank you for your personal interest. I began practicing TM in 1970. I had been investigating the spiritual landscape in NYC and California for a few years prior; including Swami Satchitananda (of Woodstock fame) and Trungpa Rimpoche. I'd been to some spiritual confluences in Colorado also. Read extensively (I am a consummate reader, something Maharishi kind of discouraged later, but that's my makeup). Once I decided that Maharishi had something (I'd read extensively again; SRM was on my block [WEA] and got my hands on a book of early lectures entitled Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. So I drove out to the Ricky Mountain National Park where Maharishi was conducting TTC in a Boyscout Camp outside Estes Park. I rented a cabin (that was built for Summer visitors and therefore uninsulated and unheated, in a community of hippies. Roomed with a Canadian, but that's a story for another time. I head over to Maharishi's for an audience. Rick Archer was attending. After waiting awhile (you must know by now that I am an impatient sort), the Course Leader explains that Maharishi is making Teachers that day, but that he personally, along with his wife will initiate me next day. Bring fruit...you know the drill. I liked it and stayed in the Mountain cabin for months. Came out and went to Amherst for the one-monther. Then on to Europe for TTC. It's been a nice trip for me, so I am glad you asked about it, and I could relive it. I understand when you express your displeasure with TMSP rounds. It ain't always easy. Hope all is well. Your well deserved friend, Dan
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proof that Group Meditation can Change the World
It is the collective consciousness of global fear. Our tech has outstripped our group consciousness, allowing us unprecedented power and influence, without the infinite vision to manage it all. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Just as so many souls have been conditioned, and rightly so, to act out of fear, and to strike preemptively, now we must learn as a collective to live more or less peacefully, with all of our deadly toys. It is the will of the growing numbers of souls established in permanent peace, that is bringing about this change. Once we assume our infinite nature, peace is like a thought that powerfully transforms even the darkest situation, not like a lightning bolt, but rather a subtle, cooling breeze on a hot day, pervasive yet barely noticeable. There is so much absorption, integration and transformation, occurring behind the scenes, it is not always apparent, that we are inescapably moving towards a better world, for all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Nabby, Thank you for this link. I know more people will become aware of this peace technology through sites like these. It continues to amaze me how individual governments pursue the strangest sort of approaches to peace (ie We'll see you to the doors of hell), but won't try being peaceful. Time will tell. Dan
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts Wow Xeno, for a guy who has seen a few years, transcended a time or two and who ploddingly, dryly picks apart most subjects you certainly seem to miss the proverbial boat a lot. Do you ever break out of a shamble? Does red blood pump around in blue veins? Do you get angry, excited, passionate about anything? Bawee and MJ do NOT bring to light anyone's samskaras except what might exist as their own. These two are not catalysts for bringing to light anything but their own hanging on to past injury and perceived injustices which have resulted in anger and disappointment disguised as righteous desire to shake people up. Whatever they are doing simply pinpoints their own hanging on and resentment and for you to encourage or congratulate them is to illustrate your own limitations. Check the fluff box now. The 'fluff' box is where your messages presently reside. Samskaras are the main reason people act with passion, indignation. I have them too, I just do not have as many as I used to and some are more attenuated than formerly. If you push someone enough, you should be able to activate some of them and get a response. We humans, as bodies, are stimulus-response machines, the gunk in the machine determines the output from a given input. A conditioned response. My seemingly dispassionate responses are my conditioned responses, your passionate ones are yours, Barry's and Michael's are theirs. Now to my mind, Barry seems to have more awareness of his samskaras, his engrams, than most here even if he does not think of his behaviour in those terms. I have never felt Barry's so-called anger is real, whereas I have always felt that Judy's and yours is. Correct me if I am wrong about my surmise about you. The samskaras we need to worry about are the one's that cripple our ability function in the world and to form clear interpretations of what is going on in the world. PTSD is an example of samskaras that can cripple. I am not really interested in people as psyches, personalities. I am interested in experience, and in ideas about experience, and in how the world works, or seems to work (we may never really know how it works). The soap opera of personal interaction does not interest me, though I do enjoy person interactions, but really personal interactions are not possible when many functioning samskaras are running their routine because the essence of the person is not there, just the overly reactive conditioned responses. You know that quote by Eleanore Roosevelt 'great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people', and while I do not have a particularly great mind, I do like ideas over events and people. It's the proportion that counts, as it is impossible to go through a day without encountering events or people and what they are like. A tremendous amount of time is spent on FFL discussing people's behaviour; it's gossipy and shallow. It even happens with me, I am not immune. I enjoy Barry's and Michael's posts because they dredge up conditioned responses. This happens even if I am not interested or even know what their intent was in making the post. That is private in them. For example, I initially on coming to FLL had some of my samskaras activated by Barry, and I tried to figure him out. That turned out to be mostly a waste of time, figuring him out. What turned out to be more valuable was figuring 'me' out, figuring out why I would react a certain way to what he said. Same with Judy. Now maybe Barry does the same thing, but that is for him to say. How often do you analyse your reactions to what life presents? When we can consciously do this we can undermine our conditioned responses and experience a bit more freedom. When we are not aware, the world entraps us, conditions us. It is ironic that organisations, such as the TMO, verbally dedicated to liberation, freedom, always end up entrapping us by the creation of systems designed to condition our minds to a herd mentality. Quite a few here, Barry, Michael, and even you are aware of this. Don't sleep too much; you are going after the wrong prey, by looking outside for the source of your discontent.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Milky-Way is on the outskirts of Laniakea supercluster
And, yet, as magnificent as it is, everything we see in the sky is but the tiniest microfraction of the universe. Ya gotta figure that every bit of the glowing near-field backdrop is blocking our view of an unimaginably huge deep field. Hubble Ultra-Deep Field - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_Ultra-Deep_Field http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_Ultra-Deep_Field Hubble Ultra-Deep Field - Wikipedia, the free encyclo... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_Ultra-Deep_Field Coordinates: 3h 32m 39.0s, −27° 47′ 29.1″ View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_Ultra-Deep_Field Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com wrote : Good morning, If you have ever really seen it, you would swallow those words. I was just outside in this early morning, where I now live, and the Milky Way is straight overhead, bursting full like a navy sequined blanket, both warm and cold, inviting and remote, and infinitely awe inspiring. Bright stars of all sizes, filling my view, and the deeper into any point I look, there are even more - brilliant hot diamonds of light; countless worlds and their heat, in the vastness of space. My advice? Simply look up more often, both inside, and out. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Our galaxy Milky-Way is on the outskirts of a massive supercluster called Laniakea, which consists of 100,000 large galaxies. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/ milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven And it is generally considered to be the asshole of the entire galactic supercluster, in the same way Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Milky-Way is on the outskirts of Laniakea supercluster
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Our galaxy Milky-Way is on the outskirts of a massive supercluster called Laniakea, which consists of 100,000 large galaxies. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/ milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven And it is generally considered to be the asshole of the entire galactic supercluster, in the same way Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-) How much of our universe did he just call an asshole? And Detroit too! Both an astronomer and sociologist. The Expert In All Things. Wowee, Bawee!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Milky-Way is on the outskirts of Laniakea supercluster
Note to self: get a camera that can take pictures of the night sky. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : name and form, Fleetwood...spacious heaven (-: On Saturday, September 6, 2014 7:08 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Good morning, If you have ever really seen it, you would swallow those words. I was just outside in this early morning, where I now live, and the Milky Way is straight overhead, bursting full like a navy sequined blanket, both warm and cold, inviting and remote, and infinitely awe inspiring. Bright stars of all sizes, filling my view, and the deeper into any point I look, there are even more - brilliant hot diamonds of light; countless worlds and their heat, in the vastness of space. My advice? Simply look up more often, both inside, and out. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Our galaxy Milky-Way is on the outskirts of a massive supercluster called Laniakea, which consists of 100,000 large galaxies. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/ milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven And it is generally considered to be the asshole of the entire galactic supercluster, in the same way Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Milky-Way is on the outskirts of Laniakea supercluster
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I guess what Barry doesn't understand is that Detroit is attempting to mount a comeback,and not without the goodwill of some monied interests. It's called people or communities pulling together. Too bad Barry has such as case of asshole consciousness. But, I suppose this is what passes for a sense of humor for him, or makes him feel good. What others call home sweet home, i.e. our Milky Way, is an asshole in his mind? Go figure. Artists are moving in like crazy (my #1 Son is an artist). Family in the 'burb. Bot...if you're an asshole, you see everything just that way. I love people (most, anyways) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Our galaxy Milky-Way is on the outskirts of a massive supercluster called Laniakea, which consists of 100,000 large galaxies. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/ milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven And it is generally considered to be the asshole of the entire galactic supercluster, in the same way Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Milky-Way is on the outskirts of Laniakea supercluster
Yes, cosmically designed to blow the circuits of us humans, and put things into perspective. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : And, yet, as magnificent as it is, everything we see in the sky is but the tiniest microfraction of the universe. Ya gotta figure that every bit of the glowing near-field backdrop is blocking our view of an unimaginably huge deep field. Hubble Ultra-Deep Field - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_Ultra-Deep_Field http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_Ultra-Deep_Field Hubble Ultra-Deep Field - Wikipedia, the free encyclo... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_Ultra-Deep_Field Coordinates: 3h 32m 39.0s, −27° 47′ 29.1″ View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_Ultra-Deep_Field Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Good morning, If you have ever really seen it, you would swallow those words. I was just outside in this early morning, where I now live, and the Milky Way is straight overhead, bursting full like a navy sequined blanket, both warm and cold, inviting and remote, and infinitely awe inspiring. Bright stars of all sizes, filling my view, and the deeper into any point I look, there are even more - brilliant hot diamonds of light; countless worlds and their heat, in the vastness of space. My advice? Simply look up more often, both inside, and out. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Our galaxy Milky-Way is on the outskirts of a massive supercluster called Laniakea, which consists of 100,000 large galaxies. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/ milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven And it is generally considered to be the asshole of the entire galactic supercluster, in the same way Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
Dear Mike (may I call you that?), Please consider that Ann was just coming to the aide of a beleaguered fellow poster. Ann is that way. She defends women and mens equally. Gotta admire that. So please be respectful of human nature. And human nature will respect you. Respect yourself (humming Aritha), Your newest pal, d-boy
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Constructed Character of Knowing
Beautiful. And you co-created All of That. Enjoy!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Milky-Way is on the outskirts of Laniakea supercluster
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Barry don't have no stinkin samskaras! Barry nearly perfect as is, or so it would seem. Perfect A-! ain't this fun! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : So Xeno, could we say that jedi's totally cool post triggered one of turq's samskaras? On Saturday, September 6, 2014 6:33 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Our galaxy Milky-Way is on the outskirts of a massive supercluster called Laniakea, which consists of 100,000 large galaxies. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/ milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven And it is generally considered to be the asshole of the entire galactic supercluster, in the same way Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts ... Barry, Michael, others basically bring to light here people's samskaras, to use an Hindu term that means imprints left on the mind by experience. An interesting perception. And possibly not lacking some accuracy as I sit here wondering how many here are going to respond to a post I made for fun earlier today as if their own, personal self-importance was challenged by me dissing the *galaxy* they live in. Now *that* would be the self-importance samskara, revealed.:-) :-) :-) Just having fun with your fun post. Exclusively at your expense. Just the way you like it. Always trying to help, Dan
Re: [FairfieldLife] Milky-Way is on the outskirts of Laniakea supercluster
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yes, cosmically designed to blow the circuits of us humans, and put things into perspective. The perspective that we are that, and that, and That... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : And, yet, as magnificent as it is, everything we see in the sky is but the tiniest microfraction of the universe. Ya gotta figure that every bit of the glowing near-field backdrop is blocking our view of an unimaginably huge deep field. Hubble Ultra-Deep Field - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_Ultra-Deep_Field http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_Ultra-Deep_Field Hubble Ultra-Deep Field - Wikipedia, the free encyclo... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_Ultra-Deep_Field Coordinates: 3h 32m 39.0s, −27° 47′ 29.1″ View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_Ultra-Deep_Field Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Good morning, If you have ever really seen it, you would swallow those words. I was just outside in this early morning, where I now live, and the Milky Way is straight overhead, bursting full like a navy sequined blanket, both warm and cold, inviting and remote, and infinitely awe inspiring. Bright stars of all sizes, filling my view, and the deeper into any point I look, there are even more - brilliant hot diamonds of light; countless worlds and their heat, in the vastness of space. My advice? Simply look up more often, both inside, and out. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Our galaxy Milky-Way is on the outskirts of a massive supercluster called Laniakea, which consists of 100,000 large galaxies. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/ milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven And it is generally considered to be the asshole of the entire galactic supercluster, in the same way Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
I think this post should be re-titled Xeno Crushes Ann Well said, all of it. I would love to sit and chew the fat with you and Sal sometime - I bet I would mostly sit there in silence and listen. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts Wow Xeno, for a guy who has seen a few years, transcended a time or two and who ploddingly, dryly picks apart most subjects you certainly seem to miss the proverbial boat a lot. Do you ever break out of a shamble? Does red blood pump around in blue veins? Do you get angry, excited, passionate about anything? Bawee and MJ do NOT bring to light anyone's samskaras except what might exist as their own. These two are not catalysts for bringing to light anything but their own hanging on to past injury and perceived injustices which have resulted in anger and disappointment disguised as righteous desire to shake people up. Whatever they are doing simply pinpoints their own hanging on and resentment and for you to encourage or congratulate them is to illustrate your own limitations. Check the fluff box now. The 'fluff' box is where your messages presently reside. Samskaras are the main reason people act with passion, indignation. I have them too, I just do not have as many as I used to and some are more attenuated than formerly. If you push someone enough, you should be able to activate some of them and get a response. We humans, as bodies, are stimulus-response machines, the gunk in the machine determines the output from a given input. A conditioned response. My seemingly dispassionate responses are my conditioned responses, your passionate ones are yours, Barry's and Michael's are theirs. Now to my mind, Barry seems to have more awareness of his samskaras, his engrams, than most here even if he does not think of his behaviour in those terms. I have never felt Barry's so-called anger is real, whereas I have always felt that Judy's and yours is. Correct me if I am wrong about my surmise about you. The samskaras we need to worry about are the one's that cripple our ability function in the world and to form clear interpretations of what is going on in the world. PTSD is an example of samskaras that can cripple. I am not really interested in people as psyches, personalities. I am interested in experience, and in ideas about experience, and in how the world works, or seems to work (we may never really know how it works). The soap opera of personal interaction does not interest me, though I do enjoy person interactions, but really personal interactions are not possible when many functioning samskaras are running their routine because the essence of the person is not there, just the overly reactive conditioned responses. You know that quote by Eleanore Roosevelt 'great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people', and while I do not have a particularly great mind, I do like ideas over events and people. It's the proportion that counts, as it is impossible to go through a day without encountering events or people and what they are like. A tremendous amount of time is spent on FFL discussing people's behaviour; it's gossipy and shallow. It even happens with me, I am not immune. I enjoy Barry's and Michael's posts because they dredge up conditioned responses. This happens even if I am not interested or even know what their intent was in making the post. That is private in them. For example, I initially on coming to FLL had some of my samskaras activated by Barry, and I tried to figure him out. That turned out to be mostly a waste of time, figuring him out. What turned out to be more valuable was figuring 'me' out, figuring out why I would react a certain way to what he said. Same with Judy. Now maybe Barry does the same thing, but that is for him to say. How often do you analyse your reactions to what life presents? When we can consciously do this we can undermine our conditioned responses and experience a bit more freedom. When we are not aware, the world entraps us, conditions us. It is ironic that organisations, such as the TMO, verbally dedicated to liberation, freedom, always end up entrapping us by the creation of systems designed to condition our minds to a herd mentality. Quite a few here, Barry, Michael, and even you are aware of this. Don't sleep too much; you are going after the wrong prey, by looking outside for the source of your discontent.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts Wow Xeno, for a guy who has seen a few years, transcended a time or two and who ploddingly, dryly picks apart most subjects you certainly seem to miss the proverbial boat a lot. Do you ever break out of a shamble? Does red blood pump around in blue veins? Do you get angry, excited, passionate about anything? Bawee and MJ do NOT bring to light anyone's samskaras except what might exist as their own. These two are not catalysts for bringing to light anything but their own hanging on to past injury and perceived injustices which have resulted in anger and disappointment disguised as righteous desire to shake people up. Whatever they are doing simply pinpoints their own hanging on and resentment and for you to encourage or congratulate them is to illustrate your own limitations. Check the fluff box now. The 'fluff' box is where your messages presently reside. Samskaras are the main reason people act with passion, indignation. I have them too, I just do not have as many as I used to and some are more attenuated than formerly. If you push someone enough, you should be able to activate some of them and get a response. We humans, as bodies, are stimulus-response machines, the gunk in the machine determines the output from a given input. A conditioned response. My seemingly dispassionate responses are my conditioned responses, your passionate ones are yours, Barry's and Michael's are theirs. Now to my mind, Barry seems to have more awareness of his samskaras, his engrams, than most here even if he does not think of his behaviour in those terms. I have never felt Barry's so-called anger is real, whereas I have always felt that Judy's and yours is. Correct me if I am wrong about my surmise about you. The samskaras we need to worry about are the one's that cripple our ability function in the world and to form clear interpretations of what is going on in the world. PTSD is an example of samskaras that can cripple. I am not really interested in people as psyches, personalities. I am interested in experience, and in ideas about experience, and in how the world works, or seems to work (we may never really know how it works). The soap opera of personal interaction does not interest me, though I do enjoy person interactions, but really personal interactions are not possible when many functioning samskaras are running their routine because the essence of the person is not there, just the overly reactive conditioned responses. You know that quote by Eleanore Roosevelt 'great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people', and while I do not have a particularly great mind, I do like ideas over events and people. It's the proportion that counts, as it is impossible to go through a day without encountering events or people and what they are like. A tremendous amount of time is spent on FFL discussing people's behaviour; it's gossipy and shallow. It even happens with me, I am not immune. I enjoy Barry's and Michael's posts because they dredge up conditioned responses. This happens even if I am not interested or even know what their intent was in making the post. That is private in them. For example, I initially on coming to FLL had some of my samskaras activated by Barry, and I tried to figure him out. That turned out to be mostly a waste of time, figuring him out. What turned out to be more valuable was figuring 'me' out, figuring out why I would react a certain way to what he said. Same with Judy. Now maybe Barry does the same thing, but that is for him to say. How often do you analyse your reactions to what life presents? When we can consciously do this we can undermine our conditioned responses and experience a bit more freedom. When we are not aware, the world entraps us, conditions us. It is ironic that organisations, such as the TMO, verbally dedicated to liberation, freedom, always end up entrapping us by the creation of systems designed to condition our minds to a herd mentality. Quite a few here, Barry, Michael, and even you are aware of this. Don't sleep too much; you are going after the wrong prey, by looking outside for the source of your discontent. snip Now to my mind, Barry seems to have more awareness of his samskaras, his engrams,,, dannyboy here: Dear X-Man, It's definitely time for a mind-check. Have them look at your engrams while they're in there. I can help you. But only if you allow it, Dan
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental vs Naive Realism
In ancient India the materialist sect was represented by the Charvakas. The sect is very old and was prevalent during the time of the historical Buddha, 563 BCE. It is really no philosophy having died out sometime shortly after the Buddha's passing. However, there are rank materialists and there are refined materiasts, the latter represented by Vatsyana the author of the Kama Sutra. The Charvakas rejected the idealism of the Upanishads. They accepted only four means of valid knowledge: earth, air, fire and water and that from these three we could understand the world and all of its events. They did not accept inference as a valid means of knowledge. Brhaspati is the reputed founder of this sect. His Sutra is now lost but according to Sharma, we have no reason to doubt that it once existed. In a nutshell, the name Charvaka signifies a person that believes in eat, drink and be merry, or a person whose doctrine is superficially attractive. I must admit that when I first read about this sect, it seemed to make a lot of sense because it seemed so dirt simple. Later, after having read and contemplated real Indian philosophers I came to realize the superficiality of the metaphysics of materialism. The materialistic sect of Brhaspati taught that perception is the only authority; the elements are the only means of epistemology or valid knowledge. Enjoyment is the only end of human existence; mind is only a product of matter. There is no other world; death means a simple liberation. Earth, air, fire, and water are the elements. Consciousness arises from matter and is the result of a combination of matter; the soul is nothing but the conscious body. There is no heaven, no liberation, nor an individual soul-monad - nor do the actions of any rituals produce any real effect. If food given to the gods are enjoyable,then why not give it to the poor down below? How can a man burned to ashes return here to live again? The three authors of the Vedas were buffoons, knaves, and liars. So, perception is the only means of valid knowledge for the Charvaka. Inference is just a leap in the dark; going from the known into the unknown, though sometimes inference is accidentally true. So, inference is rejected and verbal testimony too and even induction and deduction is considered by them to be argument in a circle. This sect and the doctrine of materialism has been reject by all systems of Indian Philosophy and criticized in numerous writings. The view that rejects inference is itself a product of inference. Thoughts and ideas, not being material objects, cannot be perceived; they can only be inferred. So, the Charvaka materialist is self-refuted and really no system of philosophy or metaphysics at all. Perception itself is often proved to be false and untrue. If consciousness means self-consciousness it means they are humans and cannot be identified with the body. Animals also have bodies, but not rational consciousness. If consciousness is an essential part of the body it should be inseparable from the body, but it is not - it dies, faints or is otherwise is in a dream state, etc. The knower cannot be reduced to only a body because all objects presuppose the existent of the knowing subject. The cause of consciousness cannot be a material object - if consciousness is a property of the body it should be able to be perceived like other material objects. Transcendentalists accept sense-perception and inference as a valid means of knowledge, as well as verbal testimony and the scriptures. Work cited: /'A Critical Survey of Indian Philosophy'/ by Chandrahar Sharma, M.A., D. Phil., D. Litt., LL.B., Shastri, Dept. of Phil., Benares Hindu U. Rider, 1960 pp. 40-44 Most people are realists, that is, they get their knowledge from using common sense or logic. Almost everyone get knowledge through our eyes and sometimes our ears. Other forms of valid knowledge we get through the verbal testimony of others, inference, and through the scriptures, that is, /anything that is recorded by any means, graphic or textual./ But, are these forms of knowledge the only valid means of obtaining knowledge? /Epistemology/ is the investigation of what distinguishes justified belief from opinion. So, let's review the valid means of knowledge: * Sense experience * Verbal testimony * Inference * Scriptures We transcendentalists postulate that Consciousness is the ultimate reality - without it people would not be conscious - there would be no perception. This is a dirt simple fact of life requiring no further proof. No rational person would claim that they don't exist, unless they were insane or demented - it's just not rational. We are conscious of ourselves enough to know that we exist and are self-conscious. So, we are agreed that the physical world contains numerous contradictions. Everyone experiences the world mostly with their senses: mainly our eyes and our ears;
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SBS and Sri Yantra
I saw it in a pawn shop in Delhi. Little gold plate, encrusted with rubies, dangling on a chain with SBS scratched on the back. On Saturday, September 6, 2014 1:31 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thanks for posting. Does anyone know where Guru Dev's Sri Yantra is today, and is this kind of worship practised today ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Often symbols can be a superior form of communication other than mere words. Before the invention of writing In India symbols were employed for teaching the nature of the ultimate reality. For example, the bindu is a symbol in Sri Vidya and is sometimes mistaken to mean a symbol for the 'point of return' - for the shakti. However, the bindu is actually the point of origin in Sri Vidya based on the Sri Yantra, the ancient wheel symbol. So, let's sum up what we know about the Sri Yantra and SBS: All the Shankaracharya Saraswati tantrics know the symbol of the Sri Yantra - where the bindu is the point of origin - the petals and the gates are the point of return. The small dot in the middle of of the intersecting triangles in the Sri Yantra is the bindu, the central focus of every Shankaraharya Dasanami Sanyyasin. In the SBS mediation the bija doesn't go up or down or sideways or here or there: it returns to it's point of origin, the most subtle part of the mind where consciousness and thinking begins. The Sri Vidya meditation of SBS, because it consists of indestructible seed syllables or bija mantras rather than words, transcends such mundane considerations as meaning. A meditation that is based on mantric symbology, is not only esoteric but superior to meditation on words with semantic meaning. According to Swami Rama, Swami Brahmananda had a Sri Yantra made out of rubies, and as he showed it to me, he explained the way he worshipped it. 'Living With the Himalayan Masters' By Swami Rama Himalayan Institute Press, 1978 page 243
Re: [FairfieldLife] I Want to Publicly Thank s3erifina
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I like to write sometimes but not about TM or TM stuff. what fills my life these days is watching my daughter grow up and hoping she will use her graphic arts talents for something other than being a tatoo artist when she hits 21. Mike, Thanks for this. We have a lot in common (in addition to our both coming on to TM which, in itself is improbable). My son is an artist too. I have written about him here. Traing at Music and Art and later U of Wisconson Art History, and later Pratt Institute Art Education. Tough career choice. He does have a two-person show coming up in March, and I wish him well. And I do wish your daughter well. You need to be patient and 'open'. I have found the art path to be windy (from a perspective like yours and mine). I sometimes falsely compare it to my daughter, who's career more closely aligns with mine, although she's found more success than I. Now I am glad to have saved your Post for last. I knew I'd enjoy it most. Where's home? d From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] I Want to Publicly Thank s3erifina ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that's a pretty interesting beginning. Estes Park initiation. What did you think of Rinpoche? Dear Micheal, That was all pre-TM, and a long time ago. In the late 60's I couldn't get enough of the Self-Deveopment teachings coming around. Trungpa Rimpoche was probably the result of Paul Reps' writings. I was on a Yoga Retreats marathon. I probably, at that time, delved into Western self-development movements with equal gusto. That also led me towards TM, but first a stop at the University for 4 years' graduate work in Counseling Personal Development. Once Initiated in Jan '70, I stayed the Course. These days I help, when I can, with the publication of the TM works. I find it rewarding and am sometimes even appreciated. Now, Michael, tell me something I don't know about you. Probably best, however to stay away from your MUM years, as I think you may have covered some of that here. What else fills your life? Yours Truly, dannyboy From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] I Want to Publicly Thank s3erifina Dear Michael, Thank you for your personal interest. I began practicing TM in 1970. I had been investigating the spiritual landscape in NYC and California for a few years prior; including Swami Satchitananda (of Woodstock fame) and Trungpa Rimpoche. I'd been to some spiritual confluences in Colorado also. Read extensively (I am a consummate reader, something Maharishi kind of discouraged later, but that's my makeup). Once I decided that Maharishi had something (I'd read extensively again; SRM was on my block [WEA] and got my hands on a book of early lectures entitled Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. So I drove out to the Ricky Mountain National Park where Maharishi was conducting TTC in a Boyscout Camp outside Estes Park. I rented a cabin (that was built for Summer visitors and therefore uninsulated and unheated, in a community of hippies. Roomed with a Canadian, but that's a story for another time. I head over to Maharishi's for an audience. Rick Archer was attending. After waiting awhile (you must know by now that I am an impatient sort), the Course Leader explains that Maharishi is making Teachers that day, but that he personally, along with his wife will initiate me next day. Bring fruit...you know the drill. I liked it and stayed in the Mountain cabin for months. Came out and went to Amherst for the one-monther. Then on to Europe for TTC. It's been a nice trip for me, so I am glad you asked about it, and I could relive it. I understand when you express your displeasure with TMSP rounds. It ain't always easy. Hope all is well. Your well deserved friend, Dan
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I think this post should be re-titled Xeno Crushes Ann Well said, all of it. I would love to sit and chew the fat with you and Sal sometime - I bet I would mostly sit there in silence and listen. Dear Mike, Please choose your company well. Then choices you make determine your Life. Just reread this quote from Xeno, to grok what I'm suggesting: Xeno said: The soap opera of personal interaction does not interest me From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts Wow Xeno, for a guy who has seen a few years, transcended a time or two and who ploddingly, dryly picks apart most subjects you certainly seem to miss the proverbial boat a lot. Do you ever break out of a shamble? Does red blood pump around in blue veins? Do you get angry, excited, passionate about anything? Bawee and MJ do NOT bring to light anyone's samskaras except what might exist as their own. These two are not catalysts for bringing to light anything but their own hanging on to past injury and perceived injustices which have resulted in anger and disappointment disguised as righteous desire to shake people up. Whatever they are doing simply pinpoints their own hanging on and resentment and for you to encourage or congratulate them is to illustrate your own limitations. Check the fluff box now. The 'fluff' box is where your messages presently reside. Samskaras are the main reason people act with passion, indignation. I have them too, I just do not have as many as I used to and some are more attenuated than formerly. If you push someone enough, you should be able to activate some of them and get a response. We humans, as bodies, are stimulus-response machines, the gunk in the machine determines the output from a given input. A conditioned response. My seemingly dispassionate responses are my conditioned responses, your passionate ones are yours, Barry's and Michael's are theirs. Now to my mind, Barry seems to have more awareness of his samskaras, his engrams, than most here even if he does not think of his behaviour in those terms. I have never felt Barry's so-called anger is real, whereas I have always felt that Judy's and yours is. Correct me if I am wrong about my surmise about you. The samskaras we need to worry about are the one's that cripple our ability function in the world and to form clear interpretations of what is going on in the world. PTSD is an example of samskaras that can cripple. I am not really interested in people as psyches, personalities. I am interested in experience, and in ideas about experience, and in how the world works, or seems to work (we may never really know how it works). The soap opera of personal interaction does not interest me, though I do enjoy person interactions, but really personal interactions are not possible when many functioning samskaras are running their routine because the essence of the person is not there, just the overly reactive conditioned responses. You know that quote by Eleanore Roosevelt 'great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people', and while I do not have a particularly great mind, I do like ideas over events and people. It's the proportion that counts, as it is impossible to go through a day without encountering events or people and what they are like. A tremendous amount of time is spent on FFL discussing people's behaviour; it's gossipy and shallow. It even happens with me, I am not immune. I enjoy Barry's and Michael's posts because they dredge up conditioned responses. This happens even if I am not interested or even know what their intent was in making the post. That is private in them. For example, I initially on coming to FLL had some of my samskaras activated by Barry, and I tried to figure him out. That turned out to be mostly a waste of time, figuring him out. What turned out to be more valuable was figuring 'me' out, figuring out why I would react a certain way to what he said. Same with Judy. Now maybe Barry does the same thing, but that is for him to say. How often do you analyse your reactions to what life presents? When we can consciously do this we can undermine our conditioned responses and experience a bit more freedom. When we are not aware, the world entraps us, conditions us. It is ironic that organisations, such as the TMO, verbally dedicated to liberation, freedom, always end up entrapping us by the creation of systems designed to condition our minds
Re: [FairfieldLife] Milky-Way is on the outskirts of Laniakea supercluster
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : So Xeno, could we say that jedi's totally cool post triggered one of turq's samskaras? On Saturday, September 6, 2014 6:33 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Our galaxy Milky-Way is on the outskirts of a massive supercluster called Laniakea, which consists of 100,000 large galaxies. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/ milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven And it is generally considered to be the asshole of the entire galactic supercluster, in the same way Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Sal
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Sorry, I couldn't resist. Not bad, but he missed me! Damn! Brandon Crook | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10203530471034923 https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10203530471034923 Brandon Crook | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10203530471034923 A Tour of the British Isles in Accents. Brilliant! x View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10203530471034923 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Milky-Way is on the outskirts of Laniakea supercluster
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : So Xeno, could we say that jedi's totally cool post triggered one of turq's samskaras? I got it! Wait a second! Wow! When Turq wrote: Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-) Was Turq, in his weird way, stay with me here...saying that America, without Detroit is not as bad as America is with Detroit. And if you get Detroit out of the picture...you have a better America? Let's do it for Turq. Let them know Turq won't stand for Detroit and that he's coming for them. Go Turq! You got balls, which I never thought before. Turq the Detroit-Killer. On the other hand, maybe we help Detroit help itself. Always trying to help Turq, d On Saturday, September 6, 2014 6:33 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Our galaxy Milky-Way is on the outskirts of a massive supercluster called Laniakea, which consists of 100,000 large galaxies. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/ milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven And it is generally considered to be the asshole of the entire galactic supercluster, in the same way Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta Meditation
So, let's review some Indian philosophy. In n the tenth century came one Ramanuja Acharya, the founder of the /Sri Vaishnava Sampradaya/. Ramanuja was born in 1017 A.D. in the village of Perumbudur, which is about twenty-five miles west of Madras. He is an exponent of the Visishtadvaita philosophy, that is, /qualified non-dualism/. Ramanuja's Ultimate Reality is Sa-visesha, that is, Brahman with attributes. According to Ramanuja, there is a Lord Narayana or a Bhagavan, a Supreme Being; the individual soul is Chit; matter is Achit. Ramanuja composed the Sri Bhashya on Brahma Sutras and the Vedanta Sangraha. Then came one Madhva Acharya, the founder of the /Vaishnava Sampradaya./ He was born in 1199 A.D. at Velali, two miles from Udipi in the district of South Kanara in South India. Madhva is the exponent of the Dvaita, that is, /the dualistic school of philosophy./ According to his philosophy, the Supreme Being is Vishnu or Narayana, and there are five real and eternal distinctions, viz., the distinction between the Supreme Being and the individual soul, between spirit and matter, between one Jiva and another Jiva, between the Jiva and matter, and between one piece of matter and another. According to Madhva, the phenomenal world is real and eternal. The came one Vallabha Acharya, the founder of the /Pushti Sampradaya/. He was born in 1479 A.D. at Champaranya, Raipur, in Madhya Pradesh. Vallabha was the exponent of pure /monism/ or the Shuddhadvaita school of philosophy. Sri Krishna is Purushottama, that is, the Ultimate Reality and his body consists of Satchidananda. According to Acharya Vallabha the absolute Reality - Parabrahma - is of the nature of saguna and sakar where Ananda or Bliss itself is its form and nature. Vallabha Acharya composed the Vyasa Sutra Bhashya. Then came one Nimbarka Acharya, of the Kumara Sampradaya. He was born in the modern Murgarapattam in the southern Dravidian province. Nimbarka was the exponent of the Dvaitadvaita, that is, /qualified non-dualism/. Great and eminent authors of scriptures such as Jiva Gosvami have mentioned the names of the prominent acharyas of all the other sampradayas, but they have not mentioned the name of Nimbarka Acarya anywhere. Then came one Gauranga Acharya, founder of the /Gaudhya Sampradaya./ His guru, Ishvara Puri, gave Gauranga (Chaitanya) the ten-lettered mantra of Lord Krishna. He accepted sannyasa initiation from Kesava Bharati and received the name Sri Krishna Chaitanya. He is a proponent of the Achintya Bheda Abheda of Vedanta - /inconceivable oneness and difference./ Although in his youth Chaitanya was a reputed scholar, his only known work consists of but ten verses called the Sikshashtaka. Then came on Shankara Acharya, the founder of the Shankara Sampradaya - 788--820 CE: According to Adi Shankara, God, the Supreme Cosmic Spirit or Brahman is the one, the whole and the only reality. The transcendental level in which Brahman is the only reality and nothing else. Adi Shankara claims that the world is not absolutely false. It appears false only when compared to Brahman. His doctrine is called Advaita Vedanta /monistic idealism./ According to what I've read, the Shankara Acharya composed the following works: Bhashyas on Brahma Sutras, the Upanishads and the Gita, Viveka Chudamani, Atma Bodha, Ananda Lahari and by tradition, Soundaryalahari. The philosophy of the Adi Shankara can be summed up in the following phrase: /Brahma Satyam Jagat Mithya, Jeevo Brahmaiva Na Aparah/ Which, translated reads: Brahman alone is real, this world is unreal; the Jiva is identical with Brahman. What anyone needs to understand, is that we are talking about non-theistic Vedanta. In non-dualistic (Adwaita) Vedanta, the Creator is not the ultimate reality. For those who ascribe to Adwaita Vedanta, the ultimate reality is the Absolute, which transcends all categories, including time, space, causation, and name and form. According to David Frawley,/Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's Transcendental Meditation follows a Vedantic view of consciousness and cosmic evolution. / Work cited: /'Vedantic Meditation: Lighting the Flame of Awareness/' by David Frawley North Atlantic Books, 2000 p. 4
Re: [FairfieldLife] Milky-Way is on the outskirts of Laniakea supercluster
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : So Xeno, could we say that jedi's totally cool post triggered one of turq's samskaras? I got it! Wait a second! Wow! When Turq wrote: Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-) Was Turq, in his weird way, stay with me here...saying that America, without Detroit is not as bad as America is with Detroit. And if you get Detroit out of the picture...you have a better America? Let's do it for Turq. Let them know Turq won't stand for Detroit and that he's coming for them. Go Turq! You got balls, which I never thought before. Turq the Detroit-Killer. On the other hand, maybe we help Detroit help itself. Always trying to help Turq, d Or, if well looka this differently (please refer to The Many Ways to See Turk, maybe he's saying that America would be good, except for Detroit. Good enough perhaps, for Turq. Then we'd have Turq and Turq would have a country. A Win-Win as a Wise Person(?) once said. Hope this was helpful. On Saturday, September 6, 2014 6:33 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Our galaxy Milky-Way is on the outskirts of a massive supercluster called Laniakea, which consists of 100,000 large galaxies. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/ milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven And it is generally considered to be the asshole of the entire galactic supercluster, in the same way Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] I enjoy Barry's and Michael's posts because they dredge up conditioned responses. Like how people react when they've been told that they've been dumped, and are neither interesting nor intelligent enough to ever pay any attention to, ever again? :-) :-) :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Power Places of Central Texas [1 Attachment]
Local Escarpments - Enchanted Rock /Enchanted Rock, Fredericksburg, Texas// / It's an enormous pink granite rock formation located in the Llano Uplift approximately 15 miles north of Fredericksburg and 15 miles south of Llano. Enchanted Rock State Natural Area, which includes Enchanted Rock and surrounding land, spans the border between Gillespie County and Llano County, south of the Llano River. We have been there many times: it is a great place to meditate and do a yoga program. The place has been sacred to native inhabitants for hundreds of years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enchanted_Rock Local Escarpments - Jacob's Well /Jacob's Well, Wimberley, Texas/ We drove there today in our classic car and enjoyed swimming and having fun - it's a great place to do program and practice zen or yoga. The water is very bracing even though the temperature was 98 degrees in the shade. A Texas Power Place for sure since ancient times. It's a perennial karstic spring that flows from the bed of Cypress Creek, located northwest of Wimberley, Texas. The 12-foot (3.7 m) diameter mouh of the spring serves as a popular swimming spot for the local land owners whose properties adjoin Cypress Creek. .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob%27s_Well_%28Texas%29
[FairfieldLife] Re: SBS and Sri Yantra
There are numerous commentaries explaining the esoteric meaning of the Sri Yantra and the mode of worship, such as the commentary by Lakshmidhara on Sound Arya Lahari and on the Ananda Lahari, both traditionally believed to be authored by the Adi Shankara. There is a chapter in the Tripura Upanishad and one in the Bhavano Upanishad and the importance of the importance given to the worship of Sri Yantra. The very quintessence of the Sri Vidya is a chapter which deals with the fundamentals of the ancient mystic syllables that constitute Devi worship and the relevance of simple worship of Sri Saraswati - Lalita - Tripurasundari and the place where the Sri Yantra is installed. There is also the life story of Bhaskararaya which shows how effective are the mystic diagram and the mantras used in the meditation on Devi Shakti. Worship of the Sri Yantra is as interesting as it is complex: it is ritualistic, abstract and esoteric, and yet the Sri Yantra is one of the most meaningful and useful symbols that has been handed down to us from the Adi Shankaracharya: /The essence of the vibration is the ecstatic self-recurrent consciousness/. Impelled by universal welfare, the Adi Shankara gave great importance to Sakti worship. And to this end, the Adi Shankara installed a Sri Yantra in at places of Sakti worship such as at Sringeri Matha. Often symbols can be a superior form of communication other than mere words. Before the invention of writing In India symbols were employed for teaching the nature of the ultimate reality. For example, the bindu is a symbol in Sri Vidya and is sometimes mistaken to mean a symbol for the 'point of return' - for the shakti. However, the bindu is actually the point of origin in Sri Vidya based on the Sri Yantra, the ancient wheel symbol. So, let's sum up what we know about the Sri Yantra and SBS: All the Shankaracharya Saraswati tantrics know the symbol of the Sri Yantra - where the bindu is the point of origin - the petals and the gates are the point of return. The small dot in the middle of of the intersecting triangles in the Sri Yantra is the /bindu/, the central focus of every /Shankaraharya Dasanami Sanyyasin./ In the SBS mediation the bija doesn't go up or down or sideways or here or there: it returns to it's point of origin, the most subtle part of the mind where consciousness and thinking begins. The Sri Vidya meditation of SBS, because it consists of indestructible seed syllables or bija mantras rather than words, transcends such mundane considerations as meaning. A meditation that is based on mantric symbology, is not only esoteric but superior to meditation on words with semantic meaning. According to Swami Rama, Swami Brahmananda had a Sri Yantra made out of rubies, and as he showed it to me, he explained the way he worshipped it. /'Living With the Himalayan Masters'/ By Swami Rama Himalayan Institute Press, 1978 page 243
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
Read it here! Dumped. Let's hear it! Yea! Ain't Life just Perfect!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
Read it here! Dumped. Here it is! Ain't it grand. Yea. Ain't life perfect! (I can hardly contain myself. Must be those passions taking over)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proof that Group Meditation can Change the World
Possibly the most beautiful 7-liner ever posted to FFL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : It is the collective consciousness of global fear. Our tech has outstripped our group consciousness, allowing us unprecedented power and influence, without the infinite vision to manage it all. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Just as so many souls have been conditioned, and rightly so, to act out of fear, and to strike preemptively, now we must learn as a collective to live more or less peacefully, with all of our deadly toys. It is the will of the growing numbers of souls established in permanent peace, that is bringing about this change. Once we assume our infinite nature, peace is like a thought that powerfully transforms even the darkest situation, not like a lightning bolt, but rather a subtle, cooling breeze on a hot day, pervasive yet barely noticeable. There is so much absorption, integration and transformation, occurring behind the scenes, it is not always apparent, that we are inescapably moving towards a better world, for all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Nabby, Thank you for this link. I know more people will become aware of this peace technology through sites like these. It continues to amaze me how individual governments pursue the strangest sort of approaches to peace (ie We'll see you to the doors of hell), but won't try being peaceful. Time will tell. Dan
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Diamond Sutra
Assuming there is a universe out there - what if we are all in a dream and we are just projecting our consciousness onto the universe. A wise man once dreamed he was a butterfly. The dream was so real that when he woke up he couldn't tell if he was a many dreaming he was a butterfly, or if he was a bitterfly dreaming he was a man. /Once upon a time, I dreampt I was a butterfly, fluttering hither and thither, a veritable butterfly, enjoying itself to the fullest, not knowing I was me. Suddenly I woke up and became myself again. So, am I a man dreaming I was a butterfly or was am I now a butterfly dreaming I am a man?/// Chuang: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Zhuangzi Thus shall you think of this fleeting world: A star at dawn, a bubble in a stream, A flash of lightning in a summer cloud, A flickering lamp, a phantom, and a dream. ...the earliest complete survival of a dated printed book. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_Sutra
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's All About Fly Agaric
The use of substances is a ritual practice that is abundantly attested in the shamanic world as well as among some yogins, and in the Vedas. We know that Patanjali himself puts simples (ausadhi), together with samadhi, among the means of obtaining the siddhis. Simples means ecstasy-inducing herbs, from which the elixir of longevity was extracted in Ayerveda. In any case, simples produce ecstasy and not the yogic samadhi. According to Mircea Eliade in /Yoga: Immortality and Freedom/, these mystical means, properly belong to the phenomenology of ecstasy and they were only reluctantly admitted into the sphere of classic Yoga. /Psychic and spiritual powers (siddhi) may be inborn, or they may be gained by the use of simples, or by mantra, or by striving, or by Meditation./ - Maharishi Patanjali, Y.S. IV, 1 A psychoactive mushroom which contains an alkaloid substance and grows near pine trees. It has been demonstrated by mycologists soma is the mushroom Amanita Muscaria and there is an abundance of textual evidence in the Rig Veda itself to prove this. The Rigveda repeatedly states that soma grows high in the mountains and nowhere else. For example, Mandala V 43 states that soma is a plant from the mountain. Mandala IX 46 says that Soma is seated on the mountain top. Soma is the nectar of the Gods. The idea that soma was a fungus, specifically the red capped muscaria mushroom, was first presented by the ethno-mycologists R. Gordon Wasson. The muscaria grows in a mycorrhizal relationship with a number of different trees, specifically the pines, firs, and above all, the birches, from which the mushroom must feed from. According to Wasson, /There is little doubt that the substance called soma in the the Rig Veda has been identified as the fungus //Amanita Muscaria./// Description: / //An alkaloid, of the mushroom species. Its common name is fly agaric and it has been described by mycalogists as Pileus Size: (5) 7 - 25 (40) cm broad; Shape: convex , becoming plane to slightly wavy or depressed in age; Color: blood-red, or various shades of bright, scarlet, or orange-red; becoming lighter toward margin; Surface: smooth, covered with white warts or small patches (remains of the universal veil); sometimes washing off in age; tacky, sticky or viscid when moist; Margin: striate; at first appendiculate; Flesh: firm when young and becoming soft in age, white (yellowish beneath cuticle); thick; Odor: faint; Taste: pleasant./ References: A Field Guide to Mushrooms and Their Relatives A Guide to Mushrooms Toadstools Collecting and Studying Mushrooms, Toadstools and Fungi Mushrooms: A Quick Reference Guide to Mushrooms of North America The encyclopedia of Mushrooms
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts Wow Xeno, for a guy who has seen a few years, transcended a time or two and who ploddingly, dryly picks apart most subjects you certainly seem to miss the proverbial boat a lot. Do you ever break out of a shamble? Does red blood pump around in blue veins? Do you get angry, excited, passionate about anything? Bawee and MJ do NOT bring to light anyone's samskaras except what might exist as their own. These two are not catalysts for bringing to light anything but their own hanging on to past injury and perceived injustices which have resulted in anger and disappointment disguised as righteous desire to shake people up. Whatever they are doing simply pinpoints their own hanging on and resentment and for you to encourage or congratulate them is to illustrate your own limitations. Check the fluff box now. Thanks for the reply Xeno but I must beg to differ on some viewpoints here (or are they opinions born of samskaras?) The 'fluff' box is where your messages presently reside. Samskaras are the main reason people act with passion, indignation. Maybe in some cases but to characterize every act of passion or indignation to be the result of a samskara is religious hoodoo. This assertion does not sound or feel like it comes from anything but either book learning or a Xeno-type analytic idea of something. Passion and indignation are something I value in others because they come from a deeper place of giving a shit or, at least, not dwelling in a mental space of apathy or surrender. If what you say is true then dispassion and emotional passivity are the result of freedom from samskaras. You know which one I'd choose. I have them too, I just do not have as many as I used to and some are more attenuated than formerly. If you push someone enough, you should be able to activate some of them and get a response. If you push someone enough it may result in response - red-blooded human response that has all the attributes of being sensitive and alive. You make it sound as if to be stimulated is a weakness. It is not. We humans, as bodies, are stimulus-response machines, the gunk in the machine determines the output from a given input. A conditioned response. Of course some people are more conditioned than others, the gunk in the machine can be lack of objectivity or lack of self awareness where knee jerk responses just come flowing out. FFL is full of that. FFL is a microcosm of the larger sampling of humanity residing on this planet. There is not a soul here who doesn't occasionally show their instinctual side which is to bond with those with whom they agree and slot all others into fluff boxes or into the 'do not read' category. My seemingly dispassionate responses are my conditioned responses, your passionate ones are yours, Barry's and Michael's are theirs. I disagree. Conditioned responses imply no self awareness and I think much of what I choose to respond to and how I choose to respond is based on a lot more than just conditioning. I think it is the same for the others too. For you to identify it as conditioning is far too simplistic. How do you compare conditioning to samskaras and how do they relate or not relate to each other? Conditioning sounds like learned behaviour in this lifetime while samskaras surely imply something far older and deeper that resides at virtually the molecular level of people. Or? Now to my mind, Barry seems to have more awareness of his samskaras, his engrams, than most here even if he does not think of his behaviour in those terms. I have never felt Barry's so-called anger is real, whereas I have always felt that Judy's and yours is. Correct me if I am wrong about my surmise about you. The samskaras we need to worry about are the one's that cripple our ability function in the world and to form clear interpretations of what is going on in the world. PTSD is an example of samskaras that can cripple. Of course, for any of this to make sense to me I have to first believe in such a thing as samskaras. I am not sure that I do. When I appear to be angry then I probably am. I don't play games in terms of representing my feelings in a way which are true to me, apparent for others to see and feel. You speak as if anger is always a bad thing. You speak as if the lack of reality or truthfulness behind a person's emotion is a good thing. I can't agree with you. If you are talking about bawee and anger then you need to look closer. The fact that he continually dismisses, refuses to interact with those here who disagree with his world view is a pretty good indication of not only his fragile ego but of his continual tendency
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ultimate Reality is Pure Consciousness
Universal Consciousness and subtle vibration theory is called /spanda/ in the /Trika/ philosophy of Kashmere. Trika refers to the three states: waking, sleeping, and dreaming; and a fourth state (turyia) which is beyond the three cities - Transcendental Wisdom /(srividya)/. Spanda is the idea being that every thing, substance or entity in that exists has a vibration of some kind; from this vibration come consciousness, mind, ideas, name and form /(nama-rupa)./ Thus everything is sound vibration - no matter how gross or fine.The Indian philosophy that supports this practice is Yoga. In this philosophy of sound the supreme (para) subtle vibration is the first cause, which set in motion the myriad other sounds and hence other sounds - the whole phenomenological universe is sound vibration starting with a single primordial vibration which set the cosmos in motion. So, the whole creation is made up of sound currents; from the original subtle sound vibration down to objects and hence to human speech. The original vibration did not contain any grossness but when entering the plane of relativity takes on a coarseness, experienced as the human word arranged in speech. MMY called this the science of subtle sounds, which produced /Vac/, the Goddess of Speech and /Chit/ universal consciousness, as /Saraswati/, the Goddess of Knowledege, which is one and includes the whole: Shiva - creation, dissolution, and maintenance. The spiritual exercises of yoga meditation includes silent repetition, /simran/ on a seed (bija) by means of repetition (bhajan) and meditation given in initiation by a guru. Bija mantras are not words but subtle vibrations, the most subtle of which are the imperishable letters of the Sanskrit alphabet, which were cognized by the ancient rishis and are revealed to us as devine sounds. According to /Swami Sivananda Radha/, in order to attain single-pointedness of mind, a mantra can be used in the following ways: by chanting (japa) speaking (vaikhari japa), whispering or humming /(upamsu japa)/ or by writing /(likhita japa)/, or by silent mental repetition /(dhyana). / We do not really know exactly when Shankara and Guadapada lived and died - it's mostly speculation. There isn't even any historical proof that Shankara founded four monasteries in the first place. All we have is some manuscripts that were preserved and an oral tradition. We do know that Shankara quoted Chandrakiriti, the famous Buddhist logician. The distinctions between Advaita and Vajrayana are just too subtle for most causal readers. That's about all I can say at this point. Perhaps if you get time you can explain it in more detail. Apparently both Gaudpada and Shankara were cryoto-Buddhists: Nirvana is Brahman, /the pure non-dual consciousness./ There may be some finer details to consider, but this is the main gist of the doctrine. The only doctrine to discuss would be the nature of /maya/ as propounded by the Adi Shankara. There is just no reason I can determine that would justify a presupposition that Brahman is the ultimate reality, since it isn't an a priori notion, but everyone can experience the nature of /Pure Consciousness,/ call it what you will. There is just nothing in the Vedic literature that would suggest the doctrine of non-dualism previous to Gaudapada. Madhva, Ramanuja, Vallabha, Nimbarka and Chaitanya all agree on this - all were dualists or quasi dualists. All of the Upanishads were composed after the historical Buddha's passing. And all of the Upanishadic thinkers were transcendentalists. Apparently Gaudapda adopted the Buddhist doctrines that /ultimate reality is pure consciousness/ and that the nature of the world is the four-cornered negation. Gaudapada adapted both doctrines into a philosophy of the Mandukaya Upanisad Karika, which was further developed by Shankara. The Vajrayana similarities are unmistakable, according to Raju and Sharma. Compare: Excerpt from /mANDUkya kArikA IV by gauDapAda:/ Duality is only an appearance; non-duality is the real truth. The object exists as an object for the knowing subject; but it does not exist outside of consciousness because the distinction of subject and object is within consciousness. Excerpt from /vijnApti matratA siddhi by vasAabAndhu: / Reality is Pure Consciousness; external objects do not exist outside thought. Reality can be directly realized by transcending the subject-object duality. - vimshAtika-Vrtti on kArikA Work cited: Raju 1992, Raju, P.T., /The Philosophical Traditions of India/, Motilal Banarsidass, p. 177. Sharma, Chandrahar, /A Critical Survey of Indian Philosophy/, Rider, p. 245-246.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Milky-Way is on the outskirts of Laniakea supercluster
Dan, your posts are always helpful. In one way or the other (-: Just one little wish: I hope that star you gave me came from the Heart of the Universe rather than from that Other Place, which is also holy and very necessary, etc. and yet... On Saturday, September 6, 2014 8:37 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : So Xeno, could we say that jedi's totally cool post triggered one of turq's samskaras? I got it! Wait a second! Wow! When Turq wrote: Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-) Was Turq, in his weird way, stay with me here...saying that America, without Detroit is not as bad as America is with Detroit. And if you get Detroit out of the picture...you have a better America? Let's do it for Turq. Let them know Turq won't stand for Detroit and that he's coming for them. Go Turq! You got balls, which I never thought before. Turq the Detroit-Killer. On the other hand, maybe we help Detroit help itself. Always trying to help Turq, d Or, if well looka this differently (please refer to The Many Ways to See Turk, maybe he's saying that America would be good, except for Detroit. Good enough perhaps, for Turq. Then we'd have Turq and Turq would have a country. A Win-Win as a Wise Person(?) once said. Hope this was helpful. On Saturday, September 6, 2014 6:33 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Our galaxy Milky-Way is on the outskirts of a massive supercluster called Laniakea, which consists of 100,000 large galaxies. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/ milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven And it is generally considered to be the asshole of the entire galactic supercluster, in the same way Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Power Places of Central Texas [1 Attachment]
Richard, I love these photos and I love maps so this is a win win win for me, thank you (-: On Saturday, September 6, 2014 8:42 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: [Attachment(s) from Richard J. Williams included below] Local Escarpments - Enchanted Rock Enchanted Rock, Fredericksburg, Texas It's an enormous pink granite rock formation located in the Llano Uplift approximately 15 miles north of Fredericksburg and 15 miles south of Llano. Enchanted Rock State Natural Area, which includes Enchanted Rock and surrounding land, spans the border between Gillespie County and Llano County, south of the Llano River. We have been there many times: it is a great place to meditate and do a yoga program. The place has been sacred to native inhabitants for hundreds of years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enchanted_Rock Local Escarpments - Jacob's Well Jacob's Well, Wimberley, Texas We drove there today in our classic car and enjoyed swimming and having fun - it's a great place to do program and practice zen or yoga. The water is very bracing even though the temperature was 98 degrees in the shade. A Texas Power Place for sure since ancient times. It's a perennial karstic spring that flows from the bed of Cypress Creek, located northwest of Wimberley, Texas. The 12-foot (3.7 m) diameter mouh of the spring serves as a popular swimming spot for the local land owners whose properties adjoin Cypress Creek. .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob%27s_Well_%28Texas%29
[FairfieldLife] My Little Red Book
http://youtu.be/PnFBZcsFQmQ
[FairfieldLife] Judgemental, yes. Hilariously spot-on, also yes.
http://judgmentalmaps.com/post/78473663186/losangeles
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
An Enthusiastic Two Thumbs Up! Good morning on this beautiful day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts Wow Xeno, for a guy who has seen a few years, transcended a time or two and who ploddingly, dryly picks apart most subjects you certainly seem to miss the proverbial boat a lot. Do you ever break out of a shamble? Does red blood pump around in blue veins? Do you get angry, excited, passionate about anything? Bawee and MJ do NOT bring to light anyone's samskaras except what might exist as their own. These two are not catalysts for bringing to light anything but their own hanging on to past injury and perceived injustices which have resulted in anger and disappointment disguised as righteous desire to shake people up. Whatever they are doing simply pinpoints their own hanging on and resentment and for you to encourage or congratulate them is to illustrate your own limitations. Check the fluff box now. Thanks for the reply Xeno but I must beg to differ on some viewpoints here (or are they opinions born of samskaras?) The 'fluff' box is where your messages presently reside. Samskaras are the main reason people act with passion, indignation. Maybe in some cases but to characterize every act of passion or indignation to be the result of a samskara is religious hoodoo. This assertion does not sound or feel like it comes from anything but either book learning or a Xeno-type analytic idea of something. Passion and indignation are something I value in others because they come from a deeper place of giving a shit or, at least, not dwelling in a mental space of apathy or surrender. If what you say is true then dispassion and emotional passivity are the result of freedom from samskaras. You know which one I'd choose. I have them too, I just do not have as many as I used to and some are more attenuated than formerly. If you push someone enough, you should be able to activate some of them and get a response. If you push someone enough it may result in response - red-blooded human response that has all the attributes of being sensitive and alive. You make it sound as if to be stimulated is a weakness. It is not. We humans, as bodies, are stimulus-response machines, the gunk in the machine determines the output from a given input. A conditioned response. Of course some people are more conditioned than others, the gunk in the machine can be lack of objectivity or lack of self awareness where knee jerk responses just come flowing out. FFL is full of that. FFL is a microcosm of the larger sampling of humanity residing on this planet. There is not a soul here who doesn't occasionally show their instinctual side which is to bond with those with whom they agree and slot all others into fluff boxes or into the 'do not read' category. My seemingly dispassionate responses are my conditioned responses, your passionate ones are yours, Barry's and Michael's are theirs. I disagree. Conditioned responses imply no self awareness and I think much of what I choose to respond to and how I choose to respond is based on a lot more than just conditioning. I think it is the same for the others too. For you to identify it as conditioning is far too simplistic. How do you compare conditioning to samskaras and how do they relate or not relate to each other? Conditioning sounds like learned behaviour in this lifetime while samskaras surely imply something far older and deeper that resides at virtually the molecular level of people. Or? Now to my mind, Barry seems to have more awareness of his samskaras, his engrams, than most here even if he does not think of his behaviour in those terms. I have never felt Barry's so-called anger is real, whereas I have always felt that Judy's and yours is. Correct me if I am wrong about my surmise about you. The samskaras we need to worry about are the one's that cripple our ability function in the world and to form clear interpretations of what is going on in the world. PTSD is an example of samskaras that can cripple. Of course, for any of this to make sense to me I have to first believe in such a thing as samskaras. I am not sure that I do. When I appear to be angry then I probably am. I don't play games in terms of representing my feelings in a way which are true to me, apparent for others to see and feel. You speak as if anger is always a bad thing. You speak as if the lack of reality or truthfulness behind a person's emotion is a good thing. I can't agree with you. If you are talking about bawee and anger then you need to look closer. The fact that he continually dismisses, refuses to interact
Re: [FairfieldLife] Milky-Way is on the outskirts of Laniakea supercluster
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Dan, your posts are always helpful. In one way or the other (-: Just one little wish: I hope that star you gave me came from the Heart of the Universe rather than from that Other Place, which is also holy and very necessary, etc. and yet... Dearest Share, Thank you for the kind words. As to the Star: your Star-Angel (If I don't offend her with the angel thing, I mean it in a Cinderella and The Prince sort of way) gave that especially to you (and if she has not been offended by the above star reference, I'll name names) Ann. I know where she sources them. Legit place; a bit pricey for me but for Ann (ignore such name, if I have offended in my clumsy way). My people use The Star of David. Very distinctive. On Saturday, September 6, 2014 8:37 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : So Xeno, could we say that jedi's totally cool post triggered one of turq's samskaras? I got it! Wait a second! Wow! When Turq wrote: Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-) Was Turq, in his weird way, stay with me here...saying that America, without Detroit is not as bad as America is with Detroit. And if you get Detroit out of the picture...you have a better America? Let's do it for Turq. Let them know Turq won't stand for Detroit and that he's coming for them. Go Turq! You got balls, which I never thought before. Turq the Detroit-Killer. On the other hand, maybe we help Detroit help itself. Always trying to help Turq, d Or, if well looka this differently (please refer to The Many Ways to See Turk, maybe he's saying that America would be good, except for Detroit. Good enough perhaps, for Turq. Then we'd have Turq and Turq would have a country. A Win-Win as a Wise Person(?) once said. Hope this was helpful. On Saturday, September 6, 2014 6:33 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Our galaxy Milky-Way is on the outskirts of a massive supercluster called Laniakea, which consists of 100,000 large galaxies. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/ milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven And it is generally considered to be the asshole of the entire galactic supercluster, in the same way Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : An Enthusiastic Two Thumbs Up! Good morning on this beautiful day. It's got everything! Passion, drama, suspense, plot twists, beautifully felt! You were doing a Siskell Ebbert thing, right? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts Wow Xeno, for a guy who has seen a few years, transcended a time or two and who ploddingly, dryly picks apart most subjects you certainly seem to miss the proverbial boat a lot. Do you ever break out of a shamble? Does red blood pump around in blue veins? Do you get angry, excited, passionate about anything? Bawee and MJ do NOT bring to light anyone's samskaras except what might exist as their own. These two are not catalysts for bringing to light anything but their own hanging on to past injury and perceived injustices which have resulted in anger and disappointment disguised as righteous desire to shake people up. Whatever they are doing simply pinpoints their own hanging on and resentment and for you to encourage or congratulate them is to illustrate your own limitations. Check the fluff box now. Thanks for the reply Xeno but I must beg to differ on some viewpoints here (or are they opinions born of samskaras?) The 'fluff' box is where your messages presently reside. Samskaras are the main reason people act with passion, indignation. Maybe in some cases but to characterize every act of passion or indignation to be the result of a samskara is religious hoodoo. This assertion does not sound or feel like it comes from anything but either book learning or a Xeno-type analytic idea of something. Passion and indignation are something I value in others because they come from a deeper place of giving a shit or, at least, not dwelling in a mental space of apathy or surrender. If what you say is true then dispassion and emotional passivity are the result of freedom from samskaras. You know which one I'd choose. I have them too, I just do not have as many as I used to and some are more attenuated than formerly. If you push someone enough, you should be able to activate some of them and get a response. If you push someone enough it may result in response - red-blooded human response that has all the attributes of being sensitive and alive. You make it sound as if to be stimulated is a weakness. It is not. We humans, as bodies, are stimulus-response machines, the gunk in the machine determines the output from a given input. A conditioned response. Of course some people are more conditioned than others, the gunk in the machine can be lack of objectivity or lack of self awareness where knee jerk responses just come flowing out. FFL is full of that. FFL is a microcosm of the larger sampling of humanity residing on this planet. There is not a soul here who doesn't occasionally show their instinctual side which is to bond with those with whom they agree and slot all others into fluff boxes or into the 'do not read' category. My seemingly dispassionate responses are my conditioned responses, your passionate ones are yours, Barry's and Michael's are theirs. I disagree. Conditioned responses imply no self awareness and I think much of what I choose to respond to and how I choose to respond is based on a lot more than just conditioning. I think it is the same for the others too. For you to identify it as conditioning is far too simplistic. How do you compare conditioning to samskaras and how do they relate or not relate to each other? Conditioning sounds like learned behaviour in this lifetime while samskaras surely imply something far older and deeper that resides at virtually the molecular level of people. Or? Now to my mind, Barry seems to have more awareness of his samskaras, his engrams, than most here even if he does not think of his behaviour in those terms. I have never felt Barry's so-called anger is real, whereas I have always felt that Judy's and yours is. Correct me if I am wrong about my surmise about you. The samskaras we need to worry about are the one's that cripple our ability function in the world and to form clear interpretations of what is going on in the world. PTSD is an example of samskaras that can cripple. Of course, for any of this to make sense to me I have to first believe in such a thing as samskaras. I am not sure that I do. When I appear to be angry then I probably am. I don't play games in terms of representing my feelings in a way which are true to me, apparent for others to see and feel. You speak as if anger is always a bad thing. You speak as if the lack of reality or truthfulness
Re: [FairfieldLife] I Want to Publicly Thank s3erifina
We live in South Carolina - daughter is 14 and her mother had a mandatory guidance counselor meeting with student, parent and counselor. The idea was to try to give the kids some sense of direction in terms of their post high school future. So guidance lady asks my daughter if she has any idea of what she might like to do after high school, daughter says Well, I want to either be a tattoo artist or a psychiatrist. The counselor just sat there open mouthed and didn't know what to say. Daughter says she said psychologist but mom swears she said psychiatrist At any rate, I am hoping she will become a staff artist working for Blizzard Entertainment so I can get free World of Warcraft stuff. From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] I Want to Publicly Thank s3erifina ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I like to write sometimes but not about TM or TM stuff. what fills my life these days is watching my daughter grow up and hoping she will use her graphic arts talents for something other than being a tatoo artist when she hits 21. Mike, Thanks for this. We have a lot in common (in addition to our both coming on to TM which, in itself is improbable). My son is an artist too. I have written about him here. Traing at Music and Art and later U of Wisconson Art History, and later Pratt Institute Art Education. Tough career choice. He does have a two-person show coming up in March, and I wish him well. And I do wish your daughter well. You need to be patient and 'open'. I have found the art path to be windy (from a perspective like yours and mine). I sometimes falsely compare it to my daughter, who's career more closely aligns with mine, although she's found more success than I. Now I am glad to have saved your Post for last. I knew I'd enjoy it most. Where's home? d From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] I Want to Publicly Thank s3erifina ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that's a pretty interesting beginning. Estes Park initiation. What did you think of Rinpoche? Dear Micheal, That was all pre-TM, and a long time ago. In the late 60's I couldn't get enough of the Self-Deveopment teachings coming around. Trungpa Rimpoche was probably the result of Paul Reps' writings. I was on a Yoga Retreats marathon. I probably, at that time, delved into Western self-development movements with equal gusto. That also led me towards TM, but first a stop at the University for 4 years' graduate work in Counseling Personal Development. Once Initiated in Jan '70, I stayed the Course. These days I help, when I can, with the publication of the TM works. I find it rewarding and am sometimes even appreciated. Now, Michael, tell me something I don't know about you. Probably best, however to stay away from your MUM years, as I think you may have covered some of that here. What else fills your life? Yours Truly, dannyboy From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] I Want to Publicly Thank s3erifina Dear Michael, Thank you for your personal interest. I began practicing TM in 1970. I had been investigating the spiritual landscape in NYC and California for a few years prior; including Swami Satchitananda (of Woodstock fame) and Trungpa Rimpoche. I'd been to some spiritual confluences in Colorado also. Read extensively (I am a consummate reader, something Maharishi kind of discouraged later, but that's my makeup). Once I decided that Maharishi had something (I'd read extensively again; SRM was on my block [WEA] and got my hands on a book of early lectures entitled Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. So I drove out to the Ricky Mountain National Park where Maharishi was conducting TTC in a Boyscout Camp outside Estes Park. I rented a cabin (that was built for Summer visitors and therefore uninsulated and unheated, in a community of hippies. Roomed with a Canadian, but that's a story for another time. I head over to Maharishi's for an audience. Rick Archer was attending. After waiting awhile (you must know by now that I am an impatient sort), the Course Leader explains that Maharishi is making Teachers that day, but that he personally, along with his wife will initiate me next day. Bring fruit...you know the drill. I liked it and stayed in the Mountain cabin for months. Came out and went to Amherst for the one-monther. Then on to Europe for TTC. It's been a nice trip for me, so I am glad you asked about it, and I could relive it. I understand when you express your
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The soap opera of personal interaction does not interest me Could easily be a quote of Guru Dev, Ramana Maharishi if not UG Krisnamurti (my favorite) From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I think this post should be re-titled Xeno Crushes Ann Well said, all of it. I would love to sit and chew the fat with you and Sal sometime - I bet I would mostly sit there in silence and listen. Dear Mike, Please choose your company well. Then choices you make determine your Life. Just reread this quote from Xeno, to grok what I'm suggesting: Xeno said: The soap opera of personal interaction does not interest me From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts Wow Xeno, for a guy who has seen a few years, transcended a time or two and who ploddingly, dryly picks apart most subjects you certainly seem to miss the proverbial boat a lot. Do you ever break out of a shamble? Does red blood pump around in blue veins? Do you get angry, excited, passionate about anything? Bawee and MJ do NOT bring to light anyone's samskaras except what might exist as their own. These two are not catalysts for bringing to light anything but their own hanging on to past injury and perceived injustices which have resulted in anger and disappointment disguised as righteous desire to shake people up. Whatever they are doing simply pinpoints their own hanging on and resentment and for you to encourage or congratulate them is to illustrate your own limitations. Check the fluff box now. The 'fluff' box is where your messages presently reside. Samskaras are the main reason people act with passion, indignation. I have them too, I just do not have as many as I used to and some are more attenuated than formerly. If you push someone enough, you should be able to activate some of them and get a response. We humans, as bodies, are stimulus-response machines, the gunk in the machine determines the output from a given input. A conditioned response. My seemingly dispassionate responses are my conditioned responses, your passionate ones are yours, Barry's and Michael's are theirs. Now to my mind, Barry seems to have more awareness of his samskaras, his engrams, than most here even if he does not think of his behaviour in those terms. I have never felt Barry's so-called anger is real, whereas I have always felt that Judy's and yours is. Correct me if I am wrong about my surmise about you. The samskaras we need to worry about are the one's that cripple our ability function in the world and to form clear interpretations of what is going on in the world. PTSD is an example of samskaras that can cripple. I am not really interested in people as psyches, personalities. I am interested in experience, and in ideas about experience, and in how the world works, or seems to work (we may never really know how it works). The soap opera of personal interaction does not interest me, though I do enjoy person interactions, but really personal interactions are not possible when many functioning samskaras are running their routine because the essence of the person is not there, just the overly reactive conditioned responses. You know that quote by Eleanore Roosevelt 'great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people', and while I do not have a particularly great mind, I do like ideas over events and people. It's the proportion that counts, as it is impossible to go through a day without encountering events or people and what they are like. A tremendous amount of time is spent on FFL discussing people's behaviour; it's gossipy and shallow. It even happens with me, I am not immune. I enjoy Barry's and Michael's posts because they dredge up conditioned responses. This happens even if I am not interested or even know what their intent was in making the post. That is private in them. For example, I initially on coming to FLL had some of my samskaras activated by Barry, and I tried to figure him out. That turned out to be mostly a waste of time, figuring him out. What turned out to be more valuable was figuring 'me' out, figuring out why I would react a certain way to what he said. Same with Judy. Now maybe Barry does the same thing, but that is for him to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judgemental, yes. Hilariously spot-on, also yes.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : http://judgmentalmaps.com/post/78473663186/losangeles http://judgmentalmaps.com/post/78473663186/losangeles Is he saying Los Angeles is a second asshole of America? The City of Angels? A second asshole? What's up with this? When does it stop? Does he need a bm?
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Dan, you are so wise. I just read an article by a neuroscientist who said we are the average of the five people closest to us. BTW, I've decided that turq has samskaras about importance and specialness. Go figger! On Saturday, September 6, 2014 8:12 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I think this post should be re-titled Xeno Crushes Ann Well said, all of it. I would love to sit and chew the fat with you and Sal sometime - I bet I would mostly sit there in silence and listen. Dear Mike, Please choose your company well. Then choices you make determine your Life. Just reread this quote from Xeno, to grok what I'm suggesting: Xeno said: The soap opera of personal interaction does not interest me From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts Wow Xeno, for a guy who has seen a few years, transcended a time or two and who ploddingly, dryly picks apart most subjects you certainly seem to miss the proverbial boat a lot. Do you ever break out of a shamble? Does red blood pump around in blue veins? Do you get angry, excited, passionate about anything? Bawee and MJ do NOT bring to light anyone's samskaras except what might exist as their own. These two are not catalysts for bringing to light anything but their own hanging on to past injury and perceived injustices which have resulted in anger and disappointment disguised as righteous desire to shake people up. Whatever they are doing simply pinpoints their own hanging on and resentment and for you to encourage or congratulate them is to illustrate your own limitations. Check the fluff box now. The 'fluff' box is where your messages presently reside. Samskaras are the main reason people act with passion, indignation. I have them too, I just do not have as many as I used to and some are more attenuated than formerly. If you push someone enough, you should be able to activate some of them and get a response. We humans, as bodies, are stimulus-response machines, the gunk in the machine determines the output from a given input. A conditioned response. My seemingly dispassionate responses are my conditioned responses, your passionate ones are yours, Barry's and Michael's are theirs. Now to my mind, Barry seems to have more awareness of his samskaras, his engrams, than most here even if he does not think of his behaviour in those terms. I have never felt Barry's so-called anger is real, whereas I have always felt that Judy's and yours is. Correct me if I am wrong about my surmise about you. The samskaras we need to worry about are the one's that cripple our ability function in the world and to form clear interpretations of what is going on in the world. PTSD is an example of samskaras that can cripple. I am not really interested in people as psyches, personalities. I am interested in experience, and in ideas about experience, and in how the world works, or seems to work (we may never really know how it works). The soap opera of personal interaction does not interest me, though I do enjoy person interactions, but really personal interactions are not possible when many functioning samskaras are running their routine because the essence of the person is not there, just the overly reactive conditioned responses. You know that quote by Eleanore Roosevelt 'great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people', and while I do not have a particularly great mind, I do like ideas over events and people. It's the proportion that counts, as it is impossible to go through a day without encountering events or people and what they are like. A tremendous amount of time is spent on FFL discussing people's behaviour; it's gossipy and shallow. It even happens with me, I am not immune. I enjoy Barry's and Michael's posts because they dredge up conditioned responses. This happens even if I am not interested or even know what their intent was in making the post. That is private in them. For example, I initially on coming to FLL had some of my samskaras activated by Barry, and I tried to figure him out. That turned out to be mostly a waste of time, figuring him out. What turned out to be more valuable was figuring 'me' out, figuring out why I would react a certain way to what he said. Same with Judy. Now maybe Barry does the same thing, but that is for him to say. How often do you analyse your reactions to what life presents?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The soap opera of personal interaction does not interest me Could easily be a quote of Guru Dev, Ramana Maharishi if not UG Krisnamurti (my favorite) Dear Mike, Please stick to what you know best. Guru Dev loved people. People love Guru Dev. Your point is made-up. From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I think this post should be re-titled Xeno Crushes Ann Well said, all of it. I would love to sit and chew the fat with you and Sal sometime - I bet I would mostly sit there in silence and listen. Dear Mike, Please choose your company well. Then choices you make determine your Life. Just reread this quote from Xeno, to grok what I'm suggesting: Xeno said: The soap opera of personal interaction does not interest me From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts Wow Xeno, for a guy who has seen a few years, transcended a time or two and who ploddingly, dryly picks apart most subjects you certainly seem to miss the proverbial boat a lot. Do you ever break out of a shamble? Does red blood pump around in blue veins? Do you get angry, excited, passionate about anything? Bawee and MJ do NOT bring to light anyone's samskaras except what might exist as their own. These two are not catalysts for bringing to light anything but their own hanging on to past injury and perceived injustices which have resulted in anger and disappointment disguised as righteous desire to shake people up. Whatever they are doing simply pinpoints their own hanging on and resentment and for you to encourage or congratulate them is to illustrate your own limitations. Check the fluff box now. The 'fluff' box is where your messages presently reside. Samskaras are the main reason people act with passion, indignation. I have them too, I just do not have as many as I used to and some are more attenuated than formerly. If you push someone enough, you should be able to activate some of them and get a response. We humans, as bodies, are stimulus-response machines, the gunk in the machine determines the output from a given input. A conditioned response. My seemingly dispassionate responses are my conditioned responses, your passionate ones are yours, Barry's and Michael's are theirs. Now to my mind, Barry seems to have more awareness of his samskaras, his engrams, than most here even if he does not think of his behaviour in those terms. I have never felt Barry's so-called anger is real, whereas I have always felt that Judy's and yours is. Correct me if I am wrong about my surmise about you. The samskaras we need to worry about are the one's that cripple our ability function in the world and to form clear interpretations of what is going on in the world. PTSD is an example of samskaras that can cripple. I am not really interested in people as psyches, personalities. I am interested in experience, and in ideas about experience, and in how the world works, or seems to work (we may never really know how it works). The soap opera of personal interaction does not interest me, though I do enjoy person interactions, but really personal interactions are not possible when many functioning samskaras are running their routine because the essence of the person is not there, just the overly reactive conditioned responses. You know that quote by Eleanore Roosevelt 'great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people', and while I do not have a particularly great mind, I do like ideas over events and people. It's the proportion that counts, as it is impossible to go through a day without encountering events or people and what they are like. A tremendous amount of time is spent on FFL discussing people's behaviour; it's gossipy and shallow. It even happens with me, I am not immune. I enjoy Barry's and Michael's posts because they dredge up conditioned responses. This happens even if I am not interested or even know what their intent was in making the post. That is private in them. For example, I initially on coming to FLL had some of my samskaras activated by Barry, and I tried to figure him out. That turned out to be mostly a waste of time, figuring him out. What turned out to be more valuable was figuring 'me' out, figuring out why I would
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
Aw come on Ann - Barry has irritated you to the degree you are genuinely obsessed with him. If any of your horse competition rivals ever knew that, all they would have to do is Barry's right! as you were in the middle of your ride and you would fall out of the saddle right there on the competition grounds. Thereby giving your competitors the win. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts Wow Xeno, for a guy who has seen a few years, transcended a time or two and who ploddingly, dryly picks apart most subjects you certainly seem to miss the proverbial boat a lot. Do you ever break out of a shamble? Does red blood pump around in blue veins? Do you get angry, excited, passionate about anything? Bawee and MJ do NOT bring to light anyone's samskaras except what might exist as their own. These two are not catalysts for bringing to light anything but their own hanging on to past injury and perceived injustices which have resulted in anger and disappointment disguised as righteous desire to shake people up. Whatever they are doing simply pinpoints their own hanging on and resentment and for you to encourage or congratulate them is to illustrate your own limitations. Check the fluff box now. Thanks for the reply Xeno but I must beg to differ on some viewpoints here (or are they opinions born of samskaras?) The 'fluff' box is where your messages presently reside. Samskaras are the main reason people act with passion, indignation. Maybe in some cases but to characterize every act of passion or indignation to be the result of a samskara is religious hoodoo. This assertion does not sound or feel like it comes from anything but either book learning or a Xeno-type analytic idea of something. Passion and indignation are something I value in others because they come from a deeper place of giving a shit or, at least, not dwelling in a mental space of apathy or surrender. If what you say is true then dispassion and emotional passivity are the result of freedom from samskaras. You know which one I'd choose. I have them too, I just do not have as many as I used to and some are more attenuated than formerly. If you push someone enough, you should be able to activate some of them and get a response. If you push someone enough it may result in response - red-blooded human response that has all the attributes of being sensitive and alive. You make it sound as if to be stimulated is a weakness. It is not. We humans, as bodies, are stimulus-response machines, the gunk in the machine determines the output from a given input. A conditioned response. Of course some people are more conditioned than others, the gunk in the machine can be lack of objectivity or lack of self awareness where knee jerk responses just come flowing out. FFL is full of that. FFL is a microcosm of the larger sampling of humanity residing on this planet. There is not a soul here who doesn't occasionally show their instinctual side which is to bond with those with whom they agree and slot all others into fluff boxes or into the 'do not read' category. My seemingly dispassionate responses are my conditioned responses, your passionate ones are yours, Barry's and Michael's are theirs. I disagree. Conditioned responses imply no self awareness and I think much of what I choose to respond to and how I choose to respond is based on a lot more than just conditioning. I think it is the same for the others too. For you to identify it as conditioning is far too simplistic. How do you compare conditioning to samskaras and how do they relate or not relate to each other? Conditioning sounds like learned behaviour in this lifetime while samskaras surely imply something far older and deeper that resides at virtually the molecular level of people. Or? Now to my mind, Barry seems to have more awareness of his samskaras, his engrams, than most here even if he does not think of his behaviour in those terms. I have never felt Barry's so-called anger is real, whereas I have always felt that Judy's and yours is. Correct me if I am wrong about my surmise about you. The samskaras we need to worry about are the one's that cripple our ability function in the world and to form clear interpretations of what is going on in the world. PTSD is an example of samskaras that can cripple. Of course, for any of this to make sense to me I have to first believe in such a thing as samskaras. I am not sure that I do.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
What is it about these anti TMers, always with the violent images?! First turq was nuking Richard. Now MJ is having Ann fall off her horse! Forget Dr. Pete! Where is Dan when we need him? On Saturday, September 6, 2014 9:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Aw come on Ann - Barry has irritated you to the degree you are genuinely obsessed with him. If any of your horse competition rivals ever knew that, all they would have to do is Barry's right! as you were in the middle of your ride and you would fall out of the saddle right there on the competition grounds. Thereby giving your competitors the win. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts Wow Xeno, for a guy who has seen a few years, transcended a time or two and who ploddingly, dryly picks apart most subjects you certainly seem to miss the proverbial boat a lot. Do you ever break out of a shamble? Does red blood pump around in blue veins? Do you get angry, excited, passionate about anything? Bawee and MJ do NOT bring to light anyone's samskaras except what might exist as their own. These two are not catalysts for bringing to light anything but their own hanging on to past injury and perceived injustices which have resulted in anger and disappointment disguised as righteous desire to shake people up. Whatever they are doing simply pinpoints their own hanging on and resentment and for you to encourage or congratulate them is to illustrate your own limitations. Check the fluff box now. Thanks for the reply Xeno but I must beg to differ on some viewpoints here (or are they opinions born of samskaras?) The 'fluff' box is where your messages presently reside. Samskaras are the main reason people act with passion, indignation. Maybe in some cases but to characterize every act of passion or indignation to be the result of a samskara is religious hoodoo. This assertion does not sound or feel like it comes from anything but either book learning or a Xeno-type analytic idea of something. Passion and indignation are something I value in others because they come from a deeper place of giving a shit or, at least, not dwelling in a mental space of apathy or surrender. If what you say is true then dispassion and emotional passivity are the result of freedom from samskaras. You know which one I'd choose. I have them too, I just do not have as many as I used to and some are more attenuated than formerly. If you push someone enough, you should be able to activate some of them and get a response. If you push someone enough it may result in response - red-blooded human response that has all the attributes of being sensitive and alive. You make it sound as if to be stimulated is a weakness. It is not. We humans, as bodies, are stimulus-response machines, the gunk in the machine determines the output from a given input. A conditioned response. Of course some people are more conditioned than others, the gunk in the machine can be lack of objectivity or lack of self awareness where knee jerk responses just come flowing out. FFL is full of that. FFL is a microcosm of the larger sampling of humanity residing on this planet. There is not a soul here who doesn't occasionally show their instinctual side which is to bond with those with whom they agree and slot all others into fluff boxes or into the 'do not read' category. My seemingly dispassionate responses are my conditioned responses, your passionate ones are yours, Barry's and Michael's are theirs. I disagree. Conditioned responses imply no self awareness and I think much of what I choose to respond to and how I choose to respond is based on a lot more than just conditioning. I think it is the same for the others too. For you to identify it as conditioning is far too simplistic. How do you compare conditioning to samskaras and how do they relate or not relate to each other? Conditioning sounds like learned behaviour in this lifetime while samskaras surely imply something far older and deeper that resides at virtually the molecular level of people. Or? Now to my mind, Barry seems to have more awareness of his samskaras, his engrams, than most here even if he does not think of his behaviour in those terms. I have never felt Barry's so-called anger is real, whereas I have always felt that Judy's and yours is. Correct me if I am wrong about my surmise about you. The samskaras
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SBS and Sri Yantra
I like this version from an old FFL post, I think either Turq or Vaj posted it. Actually, what it fits in with is the story that Maharishi stole Guru Dev's Sri Yantra. In this latest version of the story, Maheshiji shows his real colors and steals Guru Dev's soul voudoun-style, so then along with the Sri Yantra he could obtain supreme magical power: wealth and fame. Of course the previous story was that Maheshiji stole the Sri Yantra and then travelled India till he found someone to learn how to activate the materialistic aspects of the yantra for wealth and power. In this new twist, he steals Guru Dev's soul and the yantra. In the movie version, after the Maharishi's death Hagelin and King Tony find a secret chamber below Maheshiji's mansion which contains the stolen Sri Yantra in a specially designed temple, which also encases Guru Dev's jiva in a giant quartz crystal. All the yagyas performed over the years were actually being channelled into the force-field that holds Guru Dev's soul in crystalline soul-imprisonment. The temple is filled with all the accoutrements of a tantric black magician, custom made for Maharishi by Thugee survivors from Bengal. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SBS and Sri Yantra I saw it in a pawn shop in Delhi. Little gold plate, encrusted with rubies, dangling on a chain with SBS scratched on the back. On Saturday, September 6, 2014 1:31 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thanks for posting. Does anyone know where Guru Dev's Sri Yantra is today, and is this kind of worship practised today ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Often symbols can be a superior form of communication other than mere words. Before the invention of writing In India symbols were employed for teaching the nature of the ultimate reality. For example, the bindu is a symbol in Sri Vidya and is sometimes mistaken to mean a symbol for the 'point of return' - for the shakti. However, the bindu is actually the point of origin in Sri Vidya based on the Sri Yantra, the ancient wheel symbol. So, let's sum up what we know about the Sri Yantra and SBS: All the Shankaracharya Saraswati tantrics know the symbol of the Sri Yantra - where the bindu is the point of origin - the petals and the gates are the point of return. The small dot in the middle of of the intersecting triangles in the Sri Yantra is the bindu, the central focus of every Shankaraharya Dasanami Sanyyasin. In the SBS mediation the bija doesn't go up or down or sideways or here or there: it returns to it's point of origin, the most subtle part of the mind where consciousness and thinking begins. The Sri Vidya meditation of SBS, because it consists of indestructible seed syllables or bija mantras rather than words, transcends such mundane considerations as meaning. A meditation that is based on mantric symbology, is not only esoteric but superior to meditation on words with semantic meaning. According to Swami Rama, Swami Brahmananda had a Sri Yantra made out of rubies, and as he showed it to me, he explained the way he worshipped it. 'Living With the Himalayan Masters' By Swami Rama Himalayan Institute Press, 1978 page 243
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proof that Group Meditation can Change the World
Shiva -- Vishnu -- Krishna. Jai Krishna; the endless diversity and multiplicity of God. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Possibly the most beautiful 7-liner ever posted to FFL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : It is the collective consciousness of global fear. Our tech has outstripped our group consciousness, allowing us unprecedented power and influence, without the infinite vision to manage it all. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Just as so many souls have been conditioned, and rightly so, to act out of fear, and to strike preemptively, now we must learn as a collective to live more or less peacefully, with all of our deadly toys. It is the will of the growing numbers of souls established in permanent peace, that is bringing about this change. Once we assume our infinite nature, peace is like a thought that powerfully transforms even the darkest situation, not like a lightning bolt, but rather a subtle, cooling breeze on a hot day, pervasive yet barely noticeable. There is so much absorption, integration and transformation, occurring behind the scenes, it is not always apparent, that we are inescapably moving towards a better world, for all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Nabby, Thank you for this link. I know more people will become aware of this peace technology through sites like these. It continues to amaze me how individual governments pursue the strangest sort of approaches to peace (ie We'll see you to the doors of hell), but won't try being peaceful. Time will tell. Dan
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Constructed Character of Knowing
Nabby, here's another beautiful post from Fleetwood this morning. It deeply resonates with my own love of the beauty of the natural world. On Saturday, September 6, 2014 7:17 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Simply put, no objects exist independently of their being known. Several people cannot see the same object and see it exactly as it is. We see only the attributes of an object, that is, we see only it's properties. We do not see gestalt wholes exactly as they are. Objects appear in consciousness as wholes, or 'gestalts'. They enter experience already made by each individual. According to my professor, it is obvious that different people may not see the same object exactly alike; just as it is - but may perceive different objects when confronted by the same stimulus source: We fail to take into account the constructed character of knowing - the term 'constructed character' of knowing is used to name the synthesizing process that goes on in the brain before experiences are produced. The various nervous impulses do not appear in consciousness to be knowingly assembled or constructed into an object. Consciousness is the ultimate reality - without it people would not be conscious - there would be no perception. This is a dirt simple fact of life requiring no further proof. No rational person would claim that don't exist, unless they were insane or demented - it's just not rational. We are conscious of ourselves enough to know that we exist and are self-conscious. We transform the vibrational structures of the world ino our own personal illusional solid objects by a deficiency of perception. The condition of our consciousness determine what we perceive. This must be repaired and developed. When we can be inside the observed object as we are inside the universe, we see it according to its true nature. and then, there is the beauty of both. I find that by immersing myself deeply and completely into the natural world, it easily takes over, with any illusions impossible to maintain, in the face of such an overwhelming, experiential truth. There is no longer any opportunity, or need for interpretation, as the environment makes the rules, and I simply surrender to that. I am empty, then, to its fullness, the liveliness, and life within each pebble, each rock, on a mountainside of them, each tree, bush, shrub, ground plant, and moss. When I am with them all, I can feel my heart naturally and silently singing, and the natural world sings its many voices, back to me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] I Want to Publicly Thank s3erifina
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com We live in South Carolina - daughter is 14 and her mother had a mandatory guidance counselor meeting with student, parent and counselor. The idea was to try to give the kids some sense of direction in terms of their post high school future. So guidance lady asks my daughter if she has any idea of what she might like to do after high school, daughter says Well, I want to either be a tattoo artist or a psychiatrist. The counselor just sat there open mouthed and didn't know what to say. Daughter says she said psychologist but mom swears she said psychiatrist Be a liberated Dad and remind her that she can be *both* a psychiatrist and a tattoo artist. I, for one, would love to see the tattoos a full-time shrink would create. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Aw come on Ann - Barry has irritated you to the degree you are genuinely obsessed with him. If any of your horse competition rivals ever knew that, all they would have to do is Barry's right! as you were in the middle of your ride and you would fall out of the saddle right there on the competition grounds. Thereby giving your competitors the win. Dear (?) Mike, You are displaying a degree of unsportsmanlike behavior that reflects poorly on you. Riders are sportsmen. Also, you got Ann wrong. Ann finds Barry annoying and reminds those with very bad memories continually. Take a break. It will do you good. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts Wow Xeno, for a guy who has seen a few years, transcended a time or two and who ploddingly, dryly picks apart most subjects you certainly seem to miss the proverbial boat a lot. Do you ever break out of a shamble? Does red blood pump around in blue veins? Do you get angry, excited, passionate about anything? Bawee and MJ do NOT bring to light anyone's samskaras except what might exist as their own. These two are not catalysts for bringing to light anything but their own hanging on to past injury and perceived injustices which have resulted in anger and disappointment disguised as righteous desire to shake people up. Whatever they are doing simply pinpoints their own hanging on and resentment and for you to encourage or congratulate them is to illustrate your own limitations. Check the fluff box now. Thanks for the reply Xeno but I must beg to differ on some viewpoints here (or are they opinions born of samskaras?) The 'fluff' box is where your messages presently reside. Samskaras are the main reason people act with passion, indignation. Maybe in some cases but to characterize every act of passion or indignation to be the result of a samskara is religious hoodoo. This assertion does not sound or feel like it comes from anything but either book learning or a Xeno-type analytic idea of something. Passion and indignation are something I value in others because they come from a deeper place of giving a shit or, at least, not dwelling in a mental space of apathy or surrender. If what you say is true then dispassion and emotional passivity are the result of freedom from samskaras. You know which one I'd choose. I have them too, I just do not have as many as I used to and some are more attenuated than formerly. If you push someone enough, you should be able to activate some of them and get a response. If you push someone enough it may result in response - red-blooded human response that has all the attributes of being sensitive and alive. You make it sound as if to be stimulated is a weakness. It is not. We humans, as bodies, are stimulus-response machines, the gunk in the machine determines the output from a given input. A conditioned response. Of course some people are more conditioned than others, the gunk in the machine can be lack of objectivity or lack of self awareness where knee jerk responses just come flowing out. FFL is full of that. FFL is a microcosm of the larger sampling of humanity residing on this planet. There is not a soul here who doesn't occasionally show their instinctual side which is to bond with those with whom they agree and slot all others into fluff boxes or into the 'do not read' category. My seemingly dispassionate responses are my conditioned responses, your passionate ones are yours, Barry's and Michael's are theirs. I disagree. Conditioned responses imply no self awareness and I think much of what I choose to respond to and how I choose to respond is based on a lot more than just conditioning. I think it is the same for the others too. For you to identify it as conditioning is far too simplistic. How do you compare conditioning to samskaras and how do they relate or not relate to each other? Conditioning sounds like learned behaviour in this lifetime while samskaras surely imply something far older and deeper that resides at virtually the molecular level of people. Or? Now to my mind, Barry seems to have more awareness of his samskaras, his engrams, than most here even if he does not think of his behaviour in those terms. I have never felt Barry's so-called anger is real, whereas I have always felt that Judy's and yours is. Correct me if I am wrong about my surmise about you. The samskaras we need to worry about
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Dan, you are so wise. I just read an article by a neuroscientist who said we are the average of the five people closest to us. Yes BTW, I've decided that turq has samskaras about importance and specialness. Go figger! and Yes I know there is no need to elaborate with you. On Saturday, September 6, 2014 8:12 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I think this post should be re-titled Xeno Crushes Ann Well said, all of it. I would love to sit and chew the fat with you and Sal sometime - I bet I would mostly sit there in silence and listen. Dear Mike, Please choose your company well. Then choices you make determine your Life. Just reread this quote from Xeno, to grok what I'm suggesting: Xeno said: The soap opera of personal interaction does not interest me From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts Wow Xeno, for a guy who has seen a few years, transcended a time or two and who ploddingly, dryly picks apart most subjects you certainly seem to miss the proverbial boat a lot. Do you ever break out of a shamble? Does red blood pump around in blue veins? Do you get angry, excited, passionate about anything? Bawee and MJ do NOT bring to light anyone's samskaras except what might exist as their own. These two are not catalysts for bringing to light anything but their own hanging on to past injury and perceived injustices which have resulted in anger and disappointment disguised as righteous desire to shake people up. Whatever they are doing simply pinpoints their own hanging on and resentment and for you to encourage or congratulate them is to illustrate your own limitations. Check the fluff box now. The 'fluff' box is where your messages presently reside. Samskaras are the main reason people act with passion, indignation. I have them too, I just do not have as many as I used to and some are more attenuated than formerly. If you push someone enough, you should be able to activate some of them and get a response. We humans, as bodies, are stimulus-response machines, the gunk in the machine determines the output from a given input. A conditioned response. My seemingly dispassionate responses are my conditioned responses, your passionate ones are yours, Barry's and Michael's are theirs. Now to my mind, Barry seems to have more awareness of his samskaras, his engrams, than most here even if he does not think of his behaviour in those terms. I have never felt Barry's so-called anger is real, whereas I have always felt that Judy's and yours is. Correct me if I am wrong about my surmise about you. The samskaras we need to worry about are the one's that cripple our ability function in the world and to form clear interpretations of what is going on in the world. PTSD is an example of samskaras that can cripple. I am not really interested in people as psyches, personalities. I am interested in experience, and in ideas about experience, and in how the world works, or seems to work (we may never really know how it works). The soap opera of personal interaction does not interest me, though I do enjoy person interactions, but really personal interactions are not possible when many functioning samskaras are running their routine because the essence of the person is not there, just the overly reactive conditioned responses. You know that quote by Eleanore Roosevelt 'great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people', and while I do not have a particularly great mind, I do like ideas over events and people. It's the proportion that counts, as it is impossible to go through a day without encountering events or people and what they are like. A tremendous amount of time is spent on FFL discussing people's behaviour; it's gossipy and shallow. It even happens with me, I am not immune. I enjoy Barry's and Michael's posts because they dredge up conditioned responses. This happens even if I am not interested or even know what their intent was in making the post. That is private in them. For example, I initially on coming to FLL had some of my samskaras activated by Barry, and I tried to figure him out. That turned out to be mostly a waste of time, figuring him out. What turned out to be more valuable was figuring 'me' out, figuring out why I would react a certain way to what he said. Same with Judy. Now maybe Barry does the same
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : What is it about these anti TMers, always with the violent images?! First turq was nuking Richard. Now MJ is having Ann fall off her horse! Forget Dr. Pete! Where is Dan when we need him? Sorry, I abhor violence. I'm like a New Man. On Saturday, September 6, 2014 9:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Aw come on Ann - Barry has irritated you to the degree you are genuinely obsessed with him. If any of your horse competition rivals ever knew that, all they would have to do is Barry's right! as you were in the middle of your ride and you would fall out of the saddle right there on the competition grounds. Thereby giving your competitors the win. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts Wow Xeno, for a guy who has seen a few years, transcended a time or two and who ploddingly, dryly picks apart most subjects you certainly seem to miss the proverbial boat a lot. Do you ever break out of a shamble? Does red blood pump around in blue veins? Do you get angry, excited, passionate about anything? Bawee and MJ do NOT bring to light anyone's samskaras except what might exist as their own. These two are not catalysts for bringing to light anything but their own hanging on to past injury and perceived injustices which have resulted in anger and disappointment disguised as righteous desire to shake people up. Whatever they are doing simply pinpoints their own hanging on and resentment and for you to encourage or congratulate them is to illustrate your own limitations. Check the fluff box now. Thanks for the reply Xeno but I must beg to differ on some viewpoints here (or are they opinions born of samskaras?) The 'fluff' box is where your messages presently reside. Samskaras are the main reason people act with passion, indignation. Maybe in some cases but to characterize every act of passion or indignation to be the result of a samskara is religious hoodoo. This assertion does not sound or feel like it comes from anything but either book learning or a Xeno-type analytic idea of something. Passion and indignation are something I value in others because they come from a deeper place of giving a shit or, at least, not dwelling in a mental space of apathy or surrender. If what you say is true then dispassion and emotional passivity are the result of freedom from samskaras. You know which one I'd choose. I have them too, I just do not have as many as I used to and some are more attenuated than formerly. If you push someone enough, you should be able to activate some of them and get a response. If you push someone enough it may result in response - red-blooded human response that has all the attributes of being sensitive and alive. You make it sound as if to be stimulated is a weakness. It is not. We humans, as bodies, are stimulus-response machines, the gunk in the machine determines the output from a given input. A conditioned response. Of course some people are more conditioned than others, the gunk in the machine can be lack of objectivity or lack of self awareness where knee jerk responses just come flowing out. FFL is full of that. FFL is a microcosm of the larger sampling of humanity residing on this planet. There is not a soul here who doesn't occasionally show their instinctual side which is to bond with those with whom they agree and slot all others into fluff boxes or into the 'do not read' category. My seemingly dispassionate responses are my conditioned responses, your passionate ones are yours, Barry's and Michael's are theirs. I disagree. Conditioned responses imply no self awareness and I think much of what I choose to respond to and how I choose to respond is based on a lot more than just conditioning. I think it is the same for the others too. For you to identify it as conditioning is far too simplistic. How do you compare conditioning to samskaras and how do they relate or not relate to each other? Conditioning sounds like learned behaviour in this lifetime while samskaras surely imply something far older and deeper that resides at virtually the molecular level of people. Or? Now to my mind, Barry seems to have more awareness of his samskaras, his engrams, than most here even if he does not think of his behaviour in those terms. I have never felt Barry's so-called anger is real, whereas I have always felt that
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
dear Dan, I guess I should elaborate (-: I know you're a New Man. As such I was hoping you could calm the troubled waters of turq and MJ. On Saturday, September 6, 2014 10:11 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : What is it about these anti TMers, always with the violent images?! First turq was nuking Richard. Now MJ is having Ann fall off her horse! Forget Dr. Pete! Where is Dan when we need him? Sorry, I abhor violence. I'm like a New Man. On Saturday, September 6, 2014 9:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Aw come on Ann - Barry has irritated you to the degree you are genuinely obsessed with him. If any of your horse competition rivals ever knew that, all they would have to do is Barry's right! as you were in the middle of your ride and you would fall out of the saddle right there on the competition grounds. Thereby giving your competitors the win. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts Wow Xeno, for a guy who has seen a few years, transcended a time or two and who ploddingly, dryly picks apart most subjects you certainly seem to miss the proverbial boat a lot. Do you ever break out of a shamble? Does red blood pump around in blue veins? Do you get angry, excited, passionate about anything? Bawee and MJ do NOT bring to light anyone's samskaras except what might exist as their own. These two are not catalysts for bringing to light anything but their own hanging on to past injury and perceived injustices which have resulted in anger and disappointment disguised as righteous desire to shake people up. Whatever they are doing simply pinpoints their own hanging on and resentment and for you to encourage or congratulate them is to illustrate your own limitations. Check the fluff box now. Thanks for the reply Xeno but I must beg to differ on some viewpoints here (or are they opinions born of samskaras?) The 'fluff' box is where your messages presently reside. Samskaras are the main reason people act with passion, indignation. Maybe in some cases but to characterize every act of passion or indignation to be the result of a samskara is religious hoodoo. This assertion does not sound or feel like it comes from anything but either book learning or a Xeno-type analytic idea of something. Passion and indignation are something I value in others because they come from a deeper place of giving a shit or, at least, not dwelling in a mental space of apathy or surrender. If what you say is true then dispassion and emotional passivity are the result of freedom from samskaras. You know which one I'd choose. I have them too, I just do not have as many as I used to and some are more attenuated than formerly. If you push someone enough, you should be able to activate some of them and get a response. If you push someone enough it may result in response - red-blooded human response that has all the attributes of being sensitive and alive. You make it sound as if to be stimulated is a weakness. It is not. We humans, as bodies, are stimulus-response machines, the gunk in the machine determines the output from a given input. A conditioned response. Of course some people are more conditioned than others, the gunk in the machine can be lack of objectivity or lack of self awareness where knee jerk responses just come flowing out. FFL is full of that. FFL is a microcosm of the larger sampling of humanity residing on this planet. There is not a soul here who doesn't occasionally show their instinctual side which is to bond with those with whom they agree and slot all others into fluff boxes or into the 'do not read' category. My seemingly dispassionate responses are my conditioned responses, your passionate ones are yours, Barry's and Michael's are theirs. I disagree. Conditioned responses imply no self awareness and I think much of what I choose to respond to and how I choose to respond is based on a lot more than just conditioning. I think it is the same for the others too. For you to identify it as conditioning is far too simplistic. How do you compare conditioning to samskaras and how do they relate or not relate to each other? Conditioning sounds like learned behaviour in this lifetime while samskaras surely imply something far older and deeper that resides at virtually the molecular level of people. Or?
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Food People Are Eating
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Fruit smoothie prepared with an Osterizer blender We were very inspired recently to read about Xeno and his great lunch experience. We thought somebody might be interested in our simple recipe for making a fruit smoothie. We have one of these almost every day. First, you go to a market and buy some fruit, such as bananas, oranges, strawberries, pineapple, or grapes. If available buy organic fruit. We get most of ours at a local farmer's market or at Whole Foods Market which is just down the street where we live. To make our fruit smoothies we use an Osterizer Classic blender. Ingredients: Fruit Water Ice Directions: Wash the fruit and peel; then, with a sharp knife, slice the fruit on the bias into small chunks. Add the fruit to the blender along with a few ice cubes and then fill the blender to the top with filtered water. Put a lid on the blender. Turn on the blender and mix the ingredients well until the mixture is smooth. Serve in tall glasses with a straw. Enjoy. I still got your soup recipe. Skip Xeno. Nothing is what he offers. Read that literally.
[FairfieldLife] You've Got To Have An Ace In The Hole
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : An Enthusiastic Two Thumbs Up! Good morning on this beautiful day. And good morning to you, sir. From one passionate person to another! Joie de vivre all the way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts Wow Xeno, for a guy who has seen a few years, transcended a time or two and who ploddingly, dryly picks apart most subjects you certainly seem to miss the proverbial boat a lot. Do you ever break out of a shamble? Does red blood pump around in blue veins? Do you get angry, excited, passionate about anything? Bawee and MJ do NOT bring to light anyone's samskaras except what might exist as their own. These two are not catalysts for bringing to light anything but their own hanging on to past injury and perceived injustices which have resulted in anger and disappointment disguised as righteous desire to shake people up. Whatever they are doing simply pinpoints their own hanging on and resentment and for you to encourage or congratulate them is to illustrate your own limitations. Check the fluff box now. Thanks for the reply Xeno but I must beg to differ on some viewpoints here (or are they opinions born of samskaras?) The 'fluff' box is where your messages presently reside. Samskaras are the main reason people act with passion, indignation. Maybe in some cases but to characterize every act of passion or indignation to be the result of a samskara is religious hoodoo. This assertion does not sound or feel like it comes from anything but either book learning or a Xeno-type analytic idea of something. Passion and indignation are something I value in others because they come from a deeper place of giving a shit or, at least, not dwelling in a mental space of apathy or surrender. If what you say is true then dispassion and emotional passivity are the result of freedom from samskaras. You know which one I'd choose. I have them too, I just do not have as many as I used to and some are more attenuated than formerly. If you push someone enough, you should be able to activate some of them and get a response. If you push someone enough it may result in response - red-blooded human response that has all the attributes of being sensitive and alive. You make it sound as if to be stimulated is a weakness. It is not. We humans, as bodies, are stimulus-response machines, the gunk in the machine determines the output from a given input. A conditioned response. Of course some people are more conditioned than others, the gunk in the machine can be lack of objectivity or lack of self awareness where knee jerk responses just come flowing out. FFL is full of that. FFL is a microcosm of the larger sampling of humanity residing on this planet. There is not a soul here who doesn't occasionally show their instinctual side which is to bond with those with whom they agree and slot all others into fluff boxes or into the 'do not read' category. My seemingly dispassionate responses are my conditioned responses, your passionate ones are yours, Barry's and Michael's are theirs. I disagree. Conditioned responses imply no self awareness and I think much of what I choose to respond to and how I choose to respond is based on a lot more than just conditioning. I think it is the same for the others too. For you to identify it as conditioning is far too simplistic. How do you compare conditioning to samskaras and how do they relate or not relate to each other? Conditioning sounds like learned behaviour in this lifetime while samskaras surely imply something far older and deeper that resides at virtually the molecular level of people. Or? Now to my mind, Barry seems to have more awareness of his samskaras, his engrams, than most here even if he does not think of his behaviour in those terms. I have never felt Barry's so-called anger is real, whereas I have always felt that Judy's and yours is. Correct me if I am wrong about my surmise about you. The samskaras we need to worry about are the one's that cripple our ability function in the world and to form clear interpretations of what is going on in the world. PTSD is an example of samskaras that can cripple. Of course, for any of this to make sense to me I have to first believe in such a thing as samskaras. I am not sure that I do. When I appear to be angry then I probably am. I don't play games in terms of representing my feelings in a way which are true to me, apparent for others to see and feel. You speak as if anger is always a bad thing. You speak as if the lack of reality or truthfulness behind a person's
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : dear Dan, I guess I should elaborate (-: I know you're a New Man. As such I was hoping you could calm the troubled waters of turq and MJ. Dear Share, Roger that. I am enjoying getting to know Mike in a new (and, I think, better way). We do have a lot in common, we've come to find out. Not a bad guy. I can't say that about The Other. But I do know that violence is not the answer. Maybe I just send some good vibrations? On Saturday, September 6, 2014 10:11 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : What is it about these anti TMers, always with the violent images?! First turq was nuking Richard. Now MJ is having Ann fall off her horse! Forget Dr. Pete! Where is Dan when we need him? Sorry, I abhor violence. I'm like a New Man. On Saturday, September 6, 2014 9:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Aw come on Ann - Barry has irritated you to the degree you are genuinely obsessed with him. If any of your horse competition rivals ever knew that, all they would have to do is Barry's right! as you were in the middle of your ride and you would fall out of the saddle right there on the competition grounds. Thereby giving your competitors the win. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts Wow Xeno, for a guy who has seen a few years, transcended a time or two and who ploddingly, dryly picks apart most subjects you certainly seem to miss the proverbial boat a lot. Do you ever break out of a shamble? Does red blood pump around in blue veins? Do you get angry, excited, passionate about anything? Bawee and MJ do NOT bring to light anyone's samskaras except what might exist as their own. These two are not catalysts for bringing to light anything but their own hanging on to past injury and perceived injustices which have resulted in anger and disappointment disguised as righteous desire to shake people up. Whatever they are doing simply pinpoints their own hanging on and resentment and for you to encourage or congratulate them is to illustrate your own limitations. Check the fluff box now. Thanks for the reply Xeno but I must beg to differ on some viewpoints here (or are they opinions born of samskaras?) The 'fluff' box is where your messages presently reside. Samskaras are the main reason people act with passion, indignation. Maybe in some cases but to characterize every act of passion or indignation to be the result of a samskara is religious hoodoo. This assertion does not sound or feel like it comes from anything but either book learning or a Xeno-type analytic idea of something. Passion and indignation are something I value in others because they come from a deeper place of giving a shit or, at least, not dwelling in a mental space of apathy or surrender. If what you say is true then dispassion and emotional passivity are the result of freedom from samskaras. You know which one I'd choose. I have them too, I just do not have as many as I used to and some are more attenuated than formerly. If you push someone enough, you should be able to activate some of them and get a response. If you push someone enough it may result in response - red-blooded human response that has all the attributes of being sensitive and alive. You make it sound as if to be stimulated is a weakness. It is not. We humans, as bodies, are stimulus-response machines, the gunk in the machine determines the output from a given input. A conditioned response. Of course some people are more conditioned than others, the gunk in the machine can be lack of objectivity or lack of self awareness where knee jerk responses just come flowing out. FFL is full of that. FFL is a microcosm of the larger sampling of humanity residing on this planet. There is not a soul here who doesn't occasionally show their instinctual side which is to bond with those with whom they agree and slot all others into fluff boxes or into the 'do not read' category. My seemingly dispassionate responses are my conditioned responses, your passionate ones are yours, Barry's and Michael's are theirs. I disagree. Conditioned responses imply no self awareness and I think much of what I choose to respond to and how I choose to respond is based on a lot more than just conditioning. I think it is the same for the others
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Ultimate Reality is Pure Consciousness
Richard, beautiful and here's a thank you, something on the 4 levels of speech: In para, one just has to hang around a nondual realizer and they realize that that state transmits the potentiality for all answers without an intervening transfer. So the tension of question and answer just spontaneously resolves itself at that level. Thus a realizer radiating bodhichitta, the thought of enlightenment for all sentience tends to actualize realization in others merely by their presence, although this is not necessarily is limited by space/ distance or time. Pashyanti is pure visionary speech beyond karmic vision. Madhyama are thoughts or communication within the mental body or dimension. Vaikhari is dualistic speech coming from our vocal chords. On Saturday, September 6, 2014 9:26 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Universal Consciousness and subtle vibration theory is called spanda in the Trika philosophy of Kashmere. Trika refers to the three states: waking, sleeping, and dreaming; and a fourth state (turyia) which is beyond the three cities - Transcendental Wisdom (srividya). Spanda is the idea being that every thing, substance or entity in that exists has a vibration of some kind; from this vibration come consciousness, mind, ideas, name and form (nama-rupa). Thus everything is sound vibration - no matter how gross or fine.The Indian philosophy that supports this practice is Yoga. In this philosophy of sound the supreme (para) subtle vibration is the first cause, which set in motion the myriad other sounds and hence other sounds - the whole phenomenological universe is sound vibration starting with a single primordial vibration which set the cosmos in motion. So, the whole creation is made up of sound currents; from the original subtle sound vibration down to objects and hence to human speech. The original vibration did not contain any grossness but when entering the plane of relativity takes on a coarseness, experienced as the human word arranged in speech. MMY called this the science of subtle sounds, which produced Vac, the Goddess of Speech and Chit universal consciousness, as Saraswati, the Goddess of Knowledege, which is one and includes the whole: Shiva - creation, dissolution, and maintenance. The spiritual exercises of yoga meditation includes silent repetition, simran on a seed (bija) by means of repetition (bhajan) and meditation given in initiation by a guru. Bija mantras are not words but subtle vibrations, the most subtle of which are the imperishable letters of the Sanskrit alphabet, which were cognized by the ancient rishis and are revealed to us as devine sounds. According to Swami Sivananda Radha, in order to attain single-pointedness of mind, a mantra can be used in the following ways: by chanting (japa) speaking (vaikhari japa), whispering or humming (upamsu japa) or by writing (likhita japa), or by silent mental repetition (dhyana). We do not really know exactly when Shankara and Guadapada lived and died - it's mostly speculation. There isn't even any historical proof that Shankara founded four monasteries in the first place. All we have is some manuscripts that were preserved and an oral tradition. We do know that Shankara quoted Chandrakiriti, the famous Buddhist logician. The distinctions between Advaita and Vajrayana are just too subtle for most causal readers. That's about all I can say at this point. Perhaps if you get time you can explain it in more detail. Apparently both Gaudpada and Shankara were cryoto-Buddhists: Nirvana is Brahman, the pure non-dual consciousness. There may be some finer details to consider, but this is the main gist of the doctrine. The only doctrine to discuss would be the nature of maya as propounded by the Adi Shankara. There is just no reason I can determine that would justify a presupposition that Brahman is the ultimate reality, since it isn't an a priori notion, but everyone can experience the nature of Pure Consciousness, call it what you will. There is just nothing in the Vedic literature that would suggest the doctrine of non-dualism previous to Gaudapada. Madhva, Ramanuja, Vallabha, Nimbarka and Chaitanya all agree on this - all were dualists or quasi dualists. All of the Upanishads were composed after the historical Buddha's passing. And all of the Upanishadic thinkers were transcendentalists. Apparently Gaudapda adopted the Buddhist doctrines that ultimate reality is pure consciousness and that the nature of the world is the four-cornered negation. Gaudapada adapted both doctrines into a philosophy of the Mandukaya Upanisad Karika, which was further developed by Shankara. The Vajrayana similarities are unmistakable, according to Raju and Sharma. Compare: Excerpt from mANDUkya kArikA IV by gauDapAda:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Aw come on Ann - Barry has irritated you to the degree you are genuinely obsessed with him. If any of your horse competition rivals ever knew that, all they would have to do is Barry's right! as you were in the middle of your ride and you would fall out of the saddle right there on the competition grounds. Thereby giving your competitors the win. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts Wow Xeno, for a guy who has seen a few years, transcended a time or two and who ploddingly, dryly picks apart most subjects you certainly seem to miss the proverbial boat a lot. Do you ever break out of a shamble? Does red blood pump around in blue veins? Do you get angry, excited, passionate about anything? Bawee and MJ do NOT bring to light anyone's samskaras except what might exist as their own. These two are not catalysts for bringing to light anything but their own hanging on to past injury and perceived injustices which have resulted in anger and disappointment disguised as righteous desire to shake people up. Whatever they are doing simply pinpoints their own hanging on and resentment and for you to encourage or congratulate them is to illustrate your own limitations. Check the fluff box now. Thanks for the reply Xeno but I must beg to differ on some viewpoints here (or are they opinions born of samskaras?) The 'fluff' box is where your messages presently reside. Samskaras are the main reason people act with passion, indignation. Maybe in some cases but to characterize every act of passion or indignation to be the result of a samskara is religious hoodoo. This assertion does not sound or feel like it comes from anything but either book learning or a Xeno-type analytic idea of something. Passion and indignation are something I value in others because they come from a deeper place of giving a shit or, at least, not dwelling in a mental space of apathy or surrender. If what you say is true then dispassion and emotional passivity are the result of freedom from samskaras. You know which one I'd choose. I have them too, I just do not have as many as I used to and some are more attenuated than formerly. If you push someone enough, you should be able to activate some of them and get a response. If you push someone enough it may result in response - red-blooded human response that has all the attributes of being sensitive and alive. You make it sound as if to be stimulated is a weakness. It is not. We humans, as bodies, are stimulus-response machines, the gunk in the machine determines the output from a given input. A conditioned response. Of course some people are more conditioned than others, the gunk in the machine can be lack of objectivity or lack of self awareness where knee jerk responses just come flowing out. FFL is full of that. FFL is a microcosm of the larger sampling of humanity residing on this planet. There is not a soul here who doesn't occasionally show their instinctual side which is to bond with those with whom they agree and slot all others into fluff boxes or into the 'do not read' category. My seemingly dispassionate responses are my conditioned responses, your passionate ones are yours, Barry's and Michael's are theirs. I disagree. Conditioned responses imply no self awareness and I think much of what I choose to respond to and how I choose to respond is based on a lot more than just conditioning. I think it is the same for the others too. For you to identify it as conditioning is far too simplistic. How do you compare conditioning to samskaras and how do they relate or not relate to each other? Conditioning sounds like learned behaviour in this lifetime while samskaras surely imply something far older and deeper that resides at virtually the molecular level of people. Or? Now to my mind, Barry seems to have more awareness of his samskaras, his engrams, than most here even if he does not think of his behaviour in those terms. I have never felt Barry's so-called anger is real, whereas I have always felt that Judy's and yours is. Correct me if I am wrong about my surmise about you. The samskaras we need to worry about are the one's that cripple our ability function in the world and to form clear interpretations of what is going on in the world. PTSD is an example of samskaras that can cripple. Of course, for any of this to make sense to me I have to first
Re: [FairfieldLife] Milky-Way is on the outskirts of Laniakea supercluster
Ha, good one Dan. It looking more and more like Barry is pushing our funny bone button. Unfortunately, he's sort of become the butt on the jokes. And yes, it is painful to say that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : So Xeno, could we say that jedi's totally cool post triggered one of turq's samskaras? I got it! Wait a second! Wow! When Turq wrote: Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-) Was Turq, in his weird way, stay with me here...saying that America, without Detroit is not as bad as America is with Detroit. And if you get Detroit out of the picture...you have a better America? Let's do it for Turq. Let them know Turq won't stand for Detroit and that he's coming for them. Go Turq! You got balls, which I never thought before. Turq the Detroit-Killer. On the other hand, maybe we help Detroit help itself. Always trying to help Turq, d On Saturday, September 6, 2014 6:33 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Our galaxy Milky-Way is on the outskirts of a massive supercluster called Laniakea, which consists of 100,000 large galaxies. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/ milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven And it is generally considered to be the asshole of the entire galactic supercluster, in the same way Detroit is considered to be the asshole of America. :-)
