That's not the situation that existed here. It was more about two teachers
occupying the same space. That normally doesn't work too well in any setting.
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From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]"
I forget Sal, who is it that claims TM did
I did not see what you are referring to from DOJ. I can't speak for him. My
observation is from many of the contributors here who acknowledge issues with
the TMO having some cult like appearances. And also from other people I know
who acknowledge this. Many big organizations may have charact
Wowzer. I don't think that's the issue Michael, this seeing of other teachers.
That was not the problem the primary problem with RWC. Yes, if you became a
follower, evidently there were consequences.
But the situation there, as I understand it, was a frontal assault on the
organization to
Story of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, as I understand it. He was an Indian disciple
of the MMY's who apparently achieved enlightenment status, and wanted to do his
own thing.
From what I heard, MMY said "go forth and multiply", which he did.
Did he do it in the movement's front yard? No.
Di
I just skimmed this, and want to read it more carefully later. Your primary
involvement predated mine.
I had the opportunity to see MMY personally many times, but usually not in a
small group, and usually not for administrative issues.
But never during my time did this issue of seeing othe
Oh, okay, thanks for the clarification. It really sounds like what Robin was
doing was even a little more weird than I understood. I think he miscalculated
quite a bit. But he aimed for the fences, so I give him credit for that. (-:
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Robin wasn
Oh, I missed Barry's point about "sweet poison". Oh, okay, well I guess MMY
wasn't inclined to give SSRS a ringing endorsement. If that's all that's
leaked out of MMY's supposed denigrating of Ravi's technique, I guess it's
pretty mild.
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I think
Michael, Michael, this is so radical of you! That MMY and the TMO had
shortcomings in your opinion? You are being so harsh on MMY and the TMO. You
make it sound like they were nely perfect, but just came up a little
short. And those persnickety people who demanded perfection turned u
I would say most, yes most everyone I knew had read the books of different
teachers. Granted, it wasn't easy to check them all out in person. But you
paint a picture of naivete that I'm afraid is not accurate.
And again Barry, I must ask, if the going from teacher to teacher has really
work
I made a second reply to this, but I guess it got eaten.
In it, I reiterated that it would be useful to get some corroboration to some
of these recollections. I mean, Barry, would it be unrealistic to think that
your reporting might tend to be a little skewed or exaggerated?
And one must
Michael, you are just a funny guy. Your range of comprehension for the TM
Organization is from bad to very bad. But, it's always such a hoot to see you
give such significance to the points between those two. You are a wonderful
student of the TMO.
And okay, I admit it, I got a big kick o
Michael, you are just a funny guy. Your range of comprehension for the TM
Organization is from bad to very bad. But, it's always such a hoot to see you
give such significance to the points between those two. You are a wonderful
student of the TMO.
And okay, I admit it, I got a big kick
Rereading, a couple points come to mind. It would be useful to get some
collaboration for some of these recollections. As an informant, Barry, one
must ask if you have a vested interest in skewing things in a particular way.
On the other hand, one has to ask, how well whatever path you have c
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I write what I write, and you react the way you react. End of story.
Thank goodness Barry, that you don't do this. I guess you something different
here. ???
And I wasn't even writing about you. Just some guy you once gave time and
mon
Oh, that original content you talk so much about. I think that got swallowed
up by this (your) other agenda.
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I write what I write, and you react the way you react. End of story.
Thank good
Oh, God, I can't resist. How's this? Could this be your motto.
"I don't get my buttons pushed. I'm the one pushing the buttons"
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Oh, that original content you talk so much about. I think that got swallowed
up by this (your) other agenda.
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If all you can do is play "shoot the messenger," then I thank you for
participating, by confirming my "cultist" thesis.
Glad to oblige Barry. Is it akin to hunting for truffles? Do you get like a
boner when you get a "confirmed"
Okay, I'm coming in late on this. Rick, thank you for your comments.
Well, there we have a comment from an experienced teacher, who most likely had
more face time with MMY, and cannot corroborate Barry's accounts, at least
first hand, and has not said anything about a second hand account.
I just find it odd, that Barry seems to feel he has monopoly on this button
pushing thing. I guess you can define "having your buttons pushed", in number
of different ways.
A person says something you disagree with, and you respond. Did you just get
your buttons pushed?
Somebody says so
Yes, we all heard the story of Muktananda. And okay, MMY claiming the TM was
superior is quite a bit different than the accounts Barry has related of MMY
acting the role of a petty tyrant banishing anyone who strayed, and then as
though saying "ANYONE ELSE?" to the huddled crowd.
Could it be
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I know someone from the Rama trip who was a Muktananda student, and who was
actually present at one of those meetings with Maharishi. Suffice it to say
that none of Muktananda's students needed such a "talking to," because were
completely underw
Look, I like Barry. I really do, but how bout, Barry Bilbo Baggins Edward
Snowden Wright!
P.S. I am one who really likes nicknames.
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I think
Just like the way it rolled off the tongue somehow. I think you are on the
right track with "Walter" though. Or how bout just "Walt"
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Why Bilbo Baggins? Do you suspect Barry of having hairy feet? I would like to
work Walter Mitty in there, some
I like that. I wonder how that works. The ether maybe? I have read accounts
of clairvoyants picking up on events that occurred in different places.
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I am living in a trailer park, but I think it used to be something else. I was
having a cig t
You know Barry, everything you say here may be true. And really, I don't think
many would disagree, because it sort of doesn't matter in this setting. I
think most people get this idea that subjective experiences are just that.
What I find kind of odd, is that you've made this, like, you're
hey Michael, you do know that most bank robberies net about $3,000.00 right?
And most bank robbers seem pretty unsophisticated. This is not like the
movies.
Now, you may have a point that it is not likely for a patron who happened to
be armed to intervene unless he himself were threatened
I appreciate your reply. This evening as I was walking back from our softball
game, (where we were beaten soundly, again), I was feeling pretty good.
I felt as though I was experiencing some of the things I had learned from MMY,
and the Vedic literature.
But over the past several year
Shhh! Ann, keep quiet! Maybe Michael will pick up the scent of this Bob Ficke
and forget about the TMO for a while. Maybe(-;
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Oh and check this out from his home page:
Hey Michael,
FWIW, (and I've told this story before), it was the summer of '74. I was in
Snowmass Co, for an end summer sojourn, and one afternoon, stuck my thumb out
at the intersection of Hwy 82 and Brush Creek Rd. and hitchhiked to Cobb
Mountain Academy.
Cobb was a nice facility. Some
thanks Ann. Dunno. Just cruisin along here! (-:
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Shhh! Ann, keep quiet! Maybe Michael will pick up the scent of this Bob Ficke
and forget about the TMO for a while. Maybe..
I feel Nokia might have had more longevity as a product if they had had a
second "a" on the end. What do you think?
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Just checked it out: Aalto is a surprisingly common family
name in Finland.
Aalto (wave) : about 18 500
Aaltonen ("wavelet"): ab
I think I mentioned this before, (that does happen after a while, doesn't it)
Some years ago while in Colorado during the winter, and on exceptionally cold
days, in the morning, I would take a 100% cold shower. And then I would notice
that I would stay warmer during the day. I made sure that
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One of the first things I learned, of course, is how much residual NPD I had in
myself, having picked up so much of it from my one-time role models. NPD is
contagious. So I set myself a mindfulness task, to try to detect those traits
"early"
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Some here will disagree, but let's face it, who are they that I should be
concerned what they say? They're not me, so what do they matter? :-) :-) :-)
I remember reading an article of about Joseph Nacchio, on the few CEO's to go
to pri
ego seems to be my pet project. can't worry about the other ones right now.
(-:
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Steve, another perspective on all this that I like comes from Lester Levensen
who puts pride at the top of the "negative" emotions, just above anger and just
below
Yes, you are right. "Waking State" generally applies to an unenlightened state
of consciousness. First you have your waking, sleeping and dreaming states of
consciousness. Then you have your cosmic consciousnesses, which is
transcendental consciousnesses, along with the other three - waking,
you know, I think you have to give someone a little wiggle room in expressing
themself. I would not call Share's comment expressing a "negative emotion". I
would call it defending oneself in as positive a way a possible.
Not that she has to defend herself, but if she cared to respond, then I
Share go easy on them. Your Durga side is manifesting and they are not ready
for it. This astra is too powerful. They may not realize it, but I do!
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Judy, this is almost as twisted as your reaction of delight wrt Robin's
crudity towards Curtis.
Thank you for posting the obituaries, Doug.
There was a time, during my teaching days, when I touted, "Perfect Health in
the Direction of Immortality"
I look back on this with a certain amount of amusement at my naivete, and
unbridled optimism. What I do not carry with me is anger and res
But did it do that? Or did it just give lip service to the “spiritual” aspect?
In my opinion, and my experience, I did get a lot of "spiritual"*. Not that
this is a requirement, but I did get a fair amount of "face time", but I think
there was plenty there anyway. Now, some will argue abo
That's interesting Feste. I've run some numbers with various scenarios, and
I've come up with 23, maybe 23 and a half years. But, I don't know. I haven't
really looked at the plus or minus on it.
At any rate, it's an astute observation on your part.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Ann, I sense a calling here. I think you should consider riding down to FF
with a horse trailer, parking a ways down Highway 1, and then riding on campus
on a steed to give some direction to this fledgling movement. A little
maturity could go a long way here. Whaddya think? (-: (-: (-:
-
I see. Yes, you would have thought an air assault would have been the piece de
resistance, so I see what you mean by a ground assault, or even a march by the
cavalry.
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Ann, I sense a calling her
Now, hold on here. Being students, and likely not 25 years of age, with brains
not fully developed, you don't think they might have gotten confused if the
term "Indian" was used, instead of Native American? Might they have been
students from the great subcontinent and just taking a stance for
Is, like your hand over your heart as you are saying this?
You're not running for something, are ya. Like a councilman in Oakland,
maybe? (and practicing your speeches here?) (-:
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The election is the tombstone of the republic. A republic whic
Well, then. We can authoritatively say that they have been, or will be,
refused admittance to the dome. And rightfully so. That pesky restrictive dome
policy strikes again!
What's next? Doug Hamilton refused entry! D'oh!
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As far as I know,
No, no real good ideas. Perhaps someone could make a drama play pertaining to
the Robin years. Limited audience, yes, but that's all that comes to mind.
Would have some interesting elements, no?
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I've fancied myself in a few different roles over the years, but cult leader
has not been one of them. My acting career consisted of few minor roles in high
school, although I enjoyed the camaraderie of that acting contingent very much.
I was a bit of a jock crossover in that regard.
---In F
I can see the advantageous to retiring in FF, although I don't know if that
will come to pass. There is the matter of the wife, not to mention my own
preferences. But many friends remain there, so who knows.
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When you retire to Fairfield, Iowa l
A small distinction, which may, or may not help.
It's not that anyone is so much "for" Trumpster, but rather they dislike
Hillary so much.
That's just what I've picked up from the hinterlands.
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To me, it's almost unthinkable that anyone who
uh, yes and yes.
why does that appear so hard for you to understand.
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That sort of implies that would have liked some other democratic candidate
better.
Do you really believe many of the people supporting him would have voted for
any other De
I have always found that rather insidious, not that it affects me in the
slightest, but that the "higher ups" cannot practice "program" with the
commoners.
What was the rationale behind that? And it had to come from the "top", right?
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Downto
Sal, I suspect that you mingle more with like minded people, and aren't exposed
to a broader cross section of the electorate. You might discover that they are
not all bamboozled weaklings manipulated by the "right wing" conspirators.
And I say this as someone who generally likes Hillary Clint
I kinda think, Judy, that your main sphere of influence has been pretty much
limited to forums such as these, where simply because you can scream louder,
and more often* (in your bold type) than anyone else, one might be led to
believe that you have something important to say.
Unfortunately
where on the sliding scale of finding fault, do David Axelod's comments fall?
he doesn't very well fit in that description you have below.
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Actually, this has been been the common wisdom, reported endlessly in the
media, for quite some time now.
Sal, when you can break away from an either/or mindset, you find that it's a
sliding scale of when people decide they can, or cannot support a candidate,
and may decide to deviate from their usual preferences
But it order to understand this, you have to be comfortable with nuances. You
have
and you've been racking up wins for the "Inadvertent Irony" award.
But this comment from you below, is really quite precious.
Does the mantle of self importance ever become to heavy to carry?
No? Okay.
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You kinda think wrong, Stevie-boy.
I think what's coming through is that you've never forgiven Obama for taking on
Hillary and beating her. That's my take on this. (-:
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David Axelrod never forgave Hillary for staying till the end in the primary
race with Obama in 2008. Charles Pi
She bites on everything, and there have been occasions, or one occasion in
particular, when I have made some absurd statement as a joke, and of course
everyone took it as such, with the exception of
I felt so bad. I was glad when about a week later I was able to set the
record straig
Btw, did I tell you that when I was in Colorado over spring break, I had some
edibles and got knocked flat. on. my. ass. that delayed reaction really did me
in.
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If that’s what you think, may I ask what you’ve been smoking lately?
It's always nice to discover that you've been wrong about a person, as I did
recently with someone. (-:
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You know Steve, you seem to make the mistake of thinking that what a person
chooses to put forth here is, if not the sum total of their lives
Let's see, as I recall, last time Barry was in Paris, he was in the garden
behind Notre Dame Cathedral and riffing at how stupid the people were, that
were inside the Cathedral. Then he went to one of his favorite cafes, and
riffed on how stupid Americans are.
I wonder if he's updated his ha
Do ya think he started out as a button pusher, or it was a late development?
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I remember that post. Classic.
It's nothing short of amazing how many stupid people Barry encounters. It's
almost as if...oh, never mind.
Sal
Let's see
Any other place or way to see these images? This format not working for me.
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Maharaja and his wife in Japan and Thailand ~ Photos
Dr. Tony and Velia Nader enjoy time with the gracious people of Japan. Westin
Hotel Tokyo, Meguro, Tokyo
I, for one would like to see Xeno post here. I enjoyed his input.
From Xeno on FFL-2
Xenophaneros Anartaxius
As regards a Yahoo Group spiritualfreedomgroup AKA The Corner, certain people
have been on vacation. I was near a beach in a Northeastern state; another was
in a different co
Same here
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I don't get this via email so I can't see them at all.
On Sep 13, 2016, at 8:14 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@...
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Any other place or way to see these imag
Thanks for posting these.
Harvey Lubar, I knew.
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Louisa Magee Marc Travis
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Recent passings from the meditating community..
Gillian Pierce
Frank Ramsey
Gert MacQuaeen
Evelyn Normandin
Petra
He don't change, do he?
But fascinating to see someone be so in love with themselves and have such an
elevated notion of their importance.
God save the Queen.
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And now he’s back to posting over at FFL-1, calling himself a “victim” and
tryin
A relief to know he's visiting his usual haunts with the same routine in order.
Why can't we get a compare and contrast piece on the pubs in in Paris and
those in Leiden.
Maybe pull him off the anti anti theme for a while. (-:
JAGGERZ The Rapper 1 9 7 0 HQ https://www.youtube.com/wat
Really nice. Any idea what the items sell for? Range, maybe?
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In Fairfield, Iowa
Charlotte Cain Gouache Paintings on Paper and Silk
http://charlottecain.com/Charlotte_Cains_Guache_Paintings_on_Paper_and_Silk/Charlotte_Cain.html
Charlotte
I particularly liked this series.
Gouache Paintings on Paper and Silk
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In Fairfield, Iowa
Charlotte Cain Gouache Paintings on Paper and Silk
http://charlottecain.com/Charlotte_Cains_Guache_Paintings_on_Paper_and_Silk/Charlotte_Cain.html
Oh, okay. Thanks for feedback. Sounds a bit complicated. Just didn't know if
her works were priced in the hundreds or thousands, or tens of thousands. I'd
be a candidate at level one.
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Probably LA and NYC prices if they sell any of them. Micha
Yes, that's my recollection of Michael as well.
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Really nice. Any idea what the items sell for? Range, maybe?
She is/was an incredible artist. Beautiful work. My sister was/is a very close
frie
As I've said, I think the forum would benefit from contributions from Xeno.
Politics seem to be the main fare, at least for now, but Xeno was one who
opined on other topics which I find more of interest.
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I am appreciating the comments here about
Should we keep an eye out for white smoke coming out a chimney at some point?
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Interestingly I have been in some exploratory negotiations over the brand name
we use here of FairfieldLife and a use of FairfieldLife by the Fairfield, Iowa
community.
I remember at one time, a member commented that on his visits to FF, a
predominate subject matter was how to monetize this or that thing.
Should your discussions you are having include the possibility of monetizing
the FFL assets, whatever they might be? Should Rick have a residual claim on
I generally can't follow what Doug is saying much of the time, but the gist of
this latest rambling sounds pretty weird.
I'll jump in a heartbeat, and break free of the dogma, or whatever it is that
is being proposed.
Crazy, isn't it.
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an particulars in this regard?
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In TM we did not get much guidance on this but those are interesting sutras to
use.
My wife in community work as an RN, being intuitive, and being an old
meditation teacher has been running into some people who a
Yes, thanks for the reply. I do believe that spiritual development is a tricky
endeavor, and that complications can arise, either due to an awakening of
kundalini, or just an expanding of awareness. I suppose it is helpful to have
a support network to help sort things out, and lend a helping h
I am predicting that breath, or prana will at some point, become a focus of
western medicine. Probably before interest in something like energy centers
takes hold.
The Upanishads, in particular, talk about the different breaths, and the
functions they perform. Breath may be something people c
I found this article somewhat interesting, although I don't understand all the
nuances. But should the recession hit, there is not much else the Federal
Reserve can do to stimulate recovery.
Ray Dalio: Are We at the End of Long-Term Debt Cycle? - Market Realist
http://marketrealist.com/201
That was a nice break in the action.
A damn good sense of humor goes a long way in my book.
How about you?
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Going for the stoner vote?
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/b2fc974d1d/between-two-ferns-with-zach-galifianakis-hillary-clinton
ht
Not sure if this related to what you are referring to, but mainstream
psychology is, I believe, completely clueless about spiritual experiences, and
spiritual development, and how they may pertain to "issues" one might be
having.
Just another reason why it would help to help to have a support
Right, so misguided to say the least, and defies common sense.
Of course, I have no sure fire method to make everything come out right with
kids, but I knew I didn't want to channel them into a preset dogma belief
system. Yea, they get basic religious training mostly from the mom, (and some
can I get that name of that colloidal silver product you sent me. I gave my
tin to my son, who must have given it someone else, and I like to keep some on
hand. Thanks
That is really nice, Ann, thank you, but I can find a channel now that I have
the link.
I could not find the product on my own, and had ordered a different product
that doesn't seem to work to well. I had gotten some bites on my leg, and the
product I had ordered to provide some remedy didn'
Here's a funny story, I don't think I've told before. Several years ago we
applied for a home equity loan. It turns out that on our previous mortgage
Wells Fargo had transposed two numbers, so that it appeared we had not paid
that mortgage off, and therefore could not get the home equity loan.
I might be in the Feste camp. I don't know if I can bear to watch it.
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Only one more day to go. For those of you who can't bear to watch live (me
included) hopefully this will give you some solace.
Clinton hunkers down for debate prep
http:/
It is just borne out of frustration. So often I have seen a simple request
like this turn into a much bigger deal. Doesn't make any sense. With BOA
deal, the amount of time their lawyer spent to resolve this matter, for the
small amount I received was staggering. But, in my last conversation
We can't lose you Sal. (-:
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Just testing out your threat, Doug.
Sal
to be throttled is just unacceptable, under these circumstances. you've got to
be able to vent, and it is obvious to most anyone what is venting, and what is
goading.
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Thanks Steve. But it's up to Doug at this point. I can't really figure o
One possible scenario. Warren Buffett is a major shareholder of WF, and he
indicated he would not have anything to say on the matter until November, so I
suppose he might be making his feelings known. I am guessing there might be
skepticism on the part of many here that he could act in an eth
if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for
that title. There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would
think would go along with that role.
Now, I would say tha
Thanks, Sal, for your reply.
This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not
rushing off to work.
But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done. But, given the
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly,
an
Right again.
I am rushing here, but I thought Sal's comments were directed to the larger
issue. No problem there. But specifically, it is hard to argue against the
idea that contestants in competition like this have a pretty good idea of the
overall expectations, whether you find them accep
This sounds like common sense.
Look, I don't like Trump, but these sentiments are what provide him his
support.
The notion that political correctness has gotten to an extreme such that it
impacts what most people have accepted as normal.
Thumbs up to the University of Chicago for inter
I picked up this number from buzz on the internet. If you have something more
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you
are capable of such.
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I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for th
Ya knowmaybe one day you will learn to converse like a normal person
instead of being locked in to this, "gotcha" "corrector" mode.
Obviously I was mistaken. That does happen, perhaps not to you.
Thank you for correcting this misperception on my part. It does change things.
Do you m
You're pretty weird, Judy, and live in weird world where you twist things
around to suit your needs. Nothing new, of course, but pretty much makes
normal dialog with you impossible. Of course that's been the consensus for as
long as you've been on these groups. At least the majority consensus.
Okay, from her. No problem. The picture during that time doesn't appear to show
a massive weight gain, so, as I said, that changes things. I can see where
that amount of weight gain would bug someone like Trump, but, for practical
purposes, I'd say it was in the range of acceptable for her posi
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