Unc writes: bigest snippereion
None of the reactions affect those of us who are merely
Relating Our Stories terribly much. We're just Relating
Our Stories. They're *ours*, man, not yours. Yours may
*never* be like ours. Yours may be better. We (and I think
I speak for a few people here) are content
Vaj Posts:
That's real close. Ksemaraja in his comment to Shiva-sutra 2:1
"Cittam mantrah", gives the derivation of different levels of meaning
for this word. At one level manana means "reflecting over the highest
I-consciousness and the other characteristic of trAna, the protection
by term
Peter writes:
What strikes me as odd in these discussions is the
degree of hostility. Why do people get so pissed-off
if someone talks about some sort of Realization
experience?
Tom T opinion:
It would appear that the self appointed Dogma/thought patrol has to
have everything posted in the scient
Vaj writes;
From the anava-upaya, section 3, of the Shiva-sutra:
"Mohavaranat siddhih"
(mohAvaraNATh siddhiH)
"Siddhis are due to a veil (AvaraNa) drawn by ignorance (mohA)."
Slightly different slant:from Swami Lakshmanjoo
6. Such powers appear only when the veil of ignorance falls in the way
of
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Akasha 108 writes:
This is the value of Brahman for me. Only what I call Brahman can hold
those extreme values inside my mind and live with that paradox. If you
have any doubt left about what I experience as the nature of Brahman,
see above and ponder on that for a while and see if you get the sam
Judy writes:
Maybe anybody who *trades* on "just trust me" is
automatically not to be trusted.
Tom T
Once got a Bday card showing a shark wearing a suit and tie with a
sign in the backgound saying shark and shark atty's at law. The
caption under the shark was "Trust Me for all y our legal needs." I
Jim Flanegin writes:
> Along the lines of 'delightful confusion', the literally funny
> thing is (and I think you've mentioned this before Tom also...), is
> that whenever the intellect tries to make sense of the paradox that
> is Brahman, all that results is this little percolation of bliss.
Jud
jim_flanegin writes; snipped
Maharishi has evolved into pure paradox, transcending my intellect,
and leaving me as the innocent witness to his actions. Like a master-
disciple relationship only in the transcendent; ONLY in the
transcendent. Pure Paradox.
Tom T responds:
This is the value of
on 12/13/05 12:49 AM, Dr. Natan Ophir at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> These people were sent by MMY to lead the Sidhis course in Tzefat
> Israel in November 1978. Does anyone know how to contact them or where
> they are?
Rick writes:
Larry: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Left the movement long ago.
Barbara, car
Dr Pete writes:
This is what is amazing about Tom P. On one hand he
can post these incredibly racist and antisemetic
posts, but then he can act with great compassion
towards others. In fact Rick Archer posted a comment
about Tom bringing an African American person to see
Amma. So, go figure.
T
cardemaister writes snipped:
Here's yet another translation, from sanskrit.gde.to -site,
that seems to be erroneous:
1.18 The bliss of the sight is the joy of samadhi.
It's true that the root for 'loka', namely 'lok', means
'to see, behold', but despite that the noun 'loka' doesn't
seem to have t
Dr Pete: writes
The Shiva Sutras have a sloka(?) that specifically
states that you become realized only through your own
effort, nothing else.
Tom T:
from the shiva sutras as posted here two years ago by Michael Goodman
Shiva Sutras
Translated by Sage Vasugupta
First Awakening
1. Universal Cons
TorquiseB writes: Big snipperino
That strikes me as terribly lowvibe and not worthy of
someone who has spent as long on a spiritual path as
I have or as you have. If you still get off on such
things, I wish you well with it, but I really don't
want to get involved any more.
Tom T responds:
Thank
Ultrarishi writes:(Snipped)
Codependents and Adult Children of Alcoholics, and the like, are very
common on the elightenment circuit and embrace consciousness raising
practices wholeheartedly. However, unlike more healthy people,
meditation and the like, become short cuts to dealing with are ow
Judy writes:
I found the Q&A about his workshop pretty impressive:
http://www.andyrymer.com/media_articles.htm
He certainly does talk a good game, at least.
Tom T:
He has personally been the reason so many in FF have finally woken up.
I can point to my association with him as the final straw. The
My personal night of the soul was a little different than that
described on the web site. I think that description is the best I have
ever seen and can only add general comments to clarify my own
understanding.
The way it came down for me was a lot more of the No thing in the
relative did it for m
http://www.themystic.org/print/dark-night.htm
good decsription including some points that were not in my own
experience. Tom T (not Tom Paul)
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judy stein writes: Big snip
I could be wrong, of course. For all I know,
something somebody says here might trigger a
revelatory flash of insight. But so might a whiff of
bus exhaust, as I believe MMY once said.
Tom T writes:
That is one of the risks in hanging out in this environment. One neve
TorquoiseB writes:
> I would say that it has the effect of *pointing
> out* the pre-existence of spiritual constipation.
> This...uh...blockage is caused by, as you perceived,
> drinking the TM Koolaid, which is intended to con-
> vince you that you already know everything that is
> worth knowing
>From the Alistair Schearer translation of YS III-38
When attachment to the body is loosened and there is perfect knowledge
of the movement of the mind, the ability to enter another's mind is
gained.
Tom T
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I wish to share a general comment on freewill and enlightenment that
came up a few days ago under this subject line. THis comment is not
aimed at anyone in particular so please take it as that. To understand
this completely you need to break the word freewill into its component
parts.
FREE
Enlight
Peter writes:
> But there is no person to take credit for it in
> enlightenment. Prior to this there is a sense of
> ownership and responsibility for action and its
> concequences. But in enlightenment it is an absurd
> notion to talk about an individuality. None can be
> located .
Sparegg Writes
judy stein wrote:
You have said two contradictory things: that
enlightenment is exactly like ignorance, and
that it's not exactly like ignorance.
TorquiseB writes:
Exactly. Now you're getting it. :-)
Tom T comments:
This is the entire story of Jaimini. On the one hand there is
ignorance and t
Judy Stein writes:
Peter, how would you address the statement that
in some respect, enlightenment is not like
ignorance?
Turn it around if you like: In some respect,
ignorance is not like enlightement.
(Note that "in some respect" does not mean "in all
respects.")
Tom T Comments:
I know that my n
Judy writes:
I *do* have an expectation of how it is *not* supposed
to be--i.e., like ignorance.
Tom T comments:
I thought I was being clear that any expectation is that an
expectation. So to have an expectation of what it is *not* supposed to
be ie like ignorance leads to the question of who defi
Judy Stein writes: snipped
Or to put it another way: It's not that I have
expectations of what enlightenment is like; it's
that I expect it *not* to be like ignorance.
Tom T comment:
Why do you want to have any expectation about how it is supposed to
be. How do you know for sure how it is suppose
Judy Stein writes:--snipped
Thanks, Jim. Michael's explanations are indeed
extraordinary.
I wish he were around. This piece *almost* convinces
me that I'm Self-realized, but I'd really like to ask
him about being overshadowed by the relative, which is
my sole basis for saying I'm not Self-realiz
Judy Stein writes:
No, I'm not assuming that. But if you're referring
to entering turiya, then "paralysis," as noted, doesn't
make any sense. In turiya, there is no awareness *of*
anything but awareness itself. Turiya is not object-
oriented consciousness; there are no objects of
perception (sub
Peter writes:
I assume people consider Sai Ma to be Self-Realized? Her photos in
this link have no shakti at all. What's up wit dat?
Tom T:
I had the opportunity to visit Sai Ma in Chicago about 3 years ago.
When 6 different people invited me, I knew it was a cosmic invitation.
The facility we wer
Akasha 108 writes:
And many devotees make the (non) distinction that "here or there, in
their physiccal presence, 10,000 miles away, the guru is aways there,
full as full can be."
Has anyone figured out this "distinction" of wholeness and its
"source" in saint darshan? How much is coming from the
Rory wrote:
*lol* That's what I (and I suspect many of us) often do in deep
sleep -- go to various realms and download stuff :-)
Tom T:
My experience was that I spent about 8 months doing gradute study on
the three gunas. Every night as I fell asleep it was clear I was going
back to watching the
--- Vaj wrote:
> Since integration of the senses with pure consciousness is complete
> in CC, one retains complete awareness of surroundings during sleep.
> That is, one would continue to hear sounds and feel sensations, etc.
Peter of the No I writes:
Lots of good stuff in your post, Vaj, but
A friend asked a question about where time fits into this whole E gig.
In looking back at Patanjali (Shearer version) I happened to look at
the end of both chapters 3 Expansion and 4 Enlightenment and thought
some might like to ponder his points on Time.
Chapter 3 Expansion
Sutra 52 From Sanyama o
Spare egg writes:
The TMO goes through cycles.
Tom T:
Yes! it looks like death is not far away.
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don't own it. It Owns You. Tom
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Akasha108 writes:
Are there / were there any 10 year old adepts doing such transmissions?
Tom T:
I am reminded of the story of Robert Adams who had a funny little guy
who appeared at the end of his bed every night until Adams was 7.
After he had woken up in a math exam (age 15), where he used his
Vaj writes:
Can you share anything further about his scale of enlightenment and
how it goes?
The upper limit scale goes like this. The entire thing is way too long
to copy. Tom T
Sainthood 575 Very close to Enlightenment
Bliss 575+ "Sat chit ananda"
Enlightenment 600 Bliss replaced by peace, st
> Tom T:
> I have two friends who are Enlightened
Spare egg writes:
And you know this because?
Tom T:
Takes one to know one. and as Rick insinuated I know a lot more than
two. More like 32 or so. I was referring to these specific two who had
the same experience independently of each other. Your
Vaj wrote:
Interesting, no mention of the teacher.
Who's David Hawkins BTW?
Tom T:
Had no teacher. Had near death exp at 7 and another one during WWII.
Went on to become MD and shrink after WWII and had further
understandings. Eventually ended up in 12 step which became his
teacher. Wrote Power vs
This subject has had a lot of play here from time to time and I
thought the following quotation from the book I Reality and
Subjectivity by David Hawkins was a very suscinct answer. Page 359
Questioner: There is confusion about the state of enlightenment and
about the "individual" to whom it "ha
Peterklutz wrote:
> What is it called for someone who is enlightened,
> when a ripple aware of it's status as the Ocean levels out and in
the process performs a yagya that resounds for millenia to come?
Peter writes:
I think you are attributing qualities and abilities to
the enlightened that just
Akasha108 writes: big snip
If a leader is a reflection of the consciousness of their citizens and
Bush is mediocre -- Bush doesn't have *stature*, tragic flaws, isn't
worthy of a history play, isn't an interesting personality, etc. then
perhaps America is getting "enlightened" and is simply less a
on 10/6/05 2:37 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Any one seen the Oct 5, 2005 press conference?
>
> It's now official: the Prime Minister of the Global Country of World
> Peace, His Excellency Dr Bevan Morris, is Enlightened and is capable
> of answering any question as well as handlin
I went to the web site and saw this guy had reviewed Byron Katie,
Gangaji and Eckhart Tolle and then rated them 1 2 3. I have a tape
made at an Eckhart Tolle seminar in 1999 where Eckhart and Byron were
on the schedule in succesive days. At the end of his three hour
presentation he said " I have to
Vaj writes:
Wow, that's a pretty blatant contradiction of the advaita View, and is
quite telling. Apparently "the Work" is still within accepting and
rejecting.
Tom T:
My experience, after spending a Friday night and two full days in her
company and process, is that the Work leads to the experien
"If it falls your lot to be a street sweeper, sweep streets like
Michelangelo painted pictures, like Shakespeare wrote poetry, like
Beethoven composed music; sweep streets so well that all the host of
Heaven and Earth will have to pause and say,"Here lived a great
sweeper, who swept his job w
snipped:
when I am only here and now and nowhere elseĀthen, and only
then, do I see the crippling power of mind, the curse of thought,
and I pause and wonder why I so seldom find
this shining moment in the now.
Tom T: When I moved to FF I went from working a phone where I had been
a very good
Akasha 108 writes:snipped from long interchange with Unc
That's the one point on all of this where I think we differ. First, I
see no value in labels such as enlightenment. It can create
distinctions, it can creates longing for "titles", it can create false
egos, it can creates scams, etc. And the
>akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> To hold, as some appear to, that we meditate for 20-30 years and
>> then one day, the room goes from total darkness to total light, is
>> funny, in a charming way. So to the extent people keep insisting IT
>> is already there, they are correct -- to a de
akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To hold, as some appear to, that we meditate for 20-30 years and
> then one day, the room goes from total darkness to total light, is
> funny, in a charming way. So to the extent people keep insisting IT
> is already there, they are correct -- to a degree
> Judy writes:
> I don't know what it's like to be realized; I do
> know what it's like to be ignorant, in other words.
>
> Tom T:
> no difference
Judy writes;
You've forgotten what it's like to be in
ignorance.
Tom T:
Actually I have not forgotten but I can no longer ignore what is
really going
Judy writes:
I don't know what it's like to be realized; I do
know what it's like to be ignorant, in other words.
Tom T:
no difference
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>> My only criterion, for instance, is not to
> > be overshadowed.
Akasha108 writes:
Thinking about that thought, paraphrasing, "I just don't want to be
oveshadowed" gets funnier and funnier the more it is contemplated and
considered. Its like a perfect jeweled
Judy responds:
The bottom line being that there is nothing that
can be said about Brahman, positive or negative,
of which the opposite is not also the case,
because Brahman is One without a second.
"All possibilities" is one way of putting it, but
it doesn't quite convey how radical the Advaita
p
Mark meredith writes:
" In a sermon, Samuel Parris, the minister
in whose house the whole thing started, stated, "We are either saints
or Devils: the Scripture gives us no medium"
TOm T:
This is plain old Black and white thinking which is a sure sign of the
cult and addictive thinking. Look at Bus
Rick Archer writes:
NPR did a show today on the world's worst jobs - picking up road kill,
inspecting sewers, determining the sex of baby chicks. They commented
that all the people interviewed had cheerful attitudes. The sewer
inspector, who was often waist-deep in muck, was a psychiatrist who
drop
> Tom T writes:
> It is both, it is either and it is neither all at the same
> time. Tom
>
> Judy writes:
> Or none of the above...
>
> Tom T:
> Which part of all possibilities isn't clear?
Judy:
Um, I was invoking Nagarjuna.
TomT:
OK explain please. What has that to do with all possibilities.
Tom T writes:
It is both, it is either and it is neither all at the same
time. Tom
Judy writes:
Or none of the above...
Tom T:
Which part of all possibilities isn't clear?
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Judy writes:
FWIW, National Enquirer has the peculiar
reputation of being sleazy but accurate.
I'd be inclined to give one of its stories
more credibility than anything in Capitol
Hill Blue.
Tom T:
As I have said before. Dry drunk or wet drunk still a drunk. THe
behaviour doesn't change just
TorquoiseB writes:
Well, if they wanted to funnel some of the millions
to me, I'd promise to give much of it away to truly
worthy organizations. But they can keep the screwing
married women part. Wouldn't touch it with a ten-
foot...uh...pole.
Tom T:
old joke. What happens when you cross a roost
TorquoiseB writes:
I think I picked it up in New York. It always
seemed to capture the Zen of certain paradoxes
for me, like the one you cite above. The coex-
istence of seeming opposites, the irresolvability
of the paradox, and all that. It's like how a
Zen master from the Bronx should talk: "D
TorquoiseB writes:
Anyway, if you were to attend such a party, or
were just dressing up for Halloween, who/what
would you be?
Tom T:
I was invited to a costume party/wedding. Everyone was invited to come
in costume. I went as Krishna, as the bride? had kind of hinted she
thought I could carry it o
What seems apparent to me and why so many here accuse Unc and Judy of
having a thing is that they are acting out the subtle addiction of
Co-Dependency. The reason most here see them as flames is that is how
many long time couples in our society act out there supposed love for
each other. It is fami
Turguoise B writes:
I am saying, Yes, that the *need* for "psychological
defense mechanisms" seems to be different from country
to country. One only resorts to attacks when one's
personal beliefs are challenged if one is so attached
to those beliefs that one cannot distinguish them from
oneself.
Being There with Peter Sellers. I was told that the TM center in
cambridge was on the corner of Chauncey and Gardner. TomT
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TorquoiseB writes:
There is a sub-question that occurred to me yesterday.
Have any of you ever seen a film in which enlightenment
was treated well. That is, a film in which a character
was supposed to be enlightened, and you actually bought
it? I was thinking about this yesterday, and I couldn't
One other one that comes to mind is THe Invitation. A man who has had
an awakening invites a group of friends to his island retreat and
then tells them after the soup course that he has poisened them and
they can have the antidote only if they tell themselves and others THe
Truth. Very interesting
TorguoiseB writes:
As input for a book idea, I was wondering whether
folks here have favorite films that they consider
spiritual.
Tom T:
Pleasantville!. It even has a MMY like character who gets upset when
the main character falls out of character and goes it alone. Very
funny if you have been in
Tom asks for details about this experience
Judy writes:
I'd characterize it generally as a feeling of
resistance. It can manifest in many different
ways, from "butterflies in the stomach" to
feeling drowsy to feeling hungry to feeling a
lack of physical energy, among other things, and
overall a f
Tom T writes:> The experience of awakening is very real, very
visceral. It is profoundly based in the physiology.
Judy writes:
So is the experience of ignorance.
Tom T: Again, ignorance is not an experience it is an idea with a
story. Tell me in detail how you experience this ignorance. Where and
Judy writes:
And on the other hand, he's telling them that
they cannot trust their experience that they are
not enlightened and ought instead to accept the
authorities' assertion that they are already
enlightened.
Tom T writes:
The idea you are not enlightened is not an experience it is an idea.
T
TorquoiseB writes:
What about those who *don't* trust their intuition?
Tom T writes:
It will have you either way. You can only push it away for a while
until it can no longer be ignored. It is like trying to dam up a
stream, eventually you have to let some water out or the dam busts.
This can not
Peter writes:
I think this self-trust thing in regard to realization
is a bit off. Trust is an emotional/mental assumptive
act. You have to trust when there is doubt for
whatever reason. It's hard to doubt your own
experience, even in waking state. But doubting "pure
existence" itself is even more
Peter asks:
Tom! You talk as if you're not even there...or even
here.where are you? ;-)
Tom T:
How should I know? Have no answer to that question that would make any
sense. Thanks for asking though. Tom
from Adyashanti Emptiness Dancing
A Story is Just a Story
What you are without your role
"jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
Makes me wonder if W is a secret drinker...Does anyone know for
sure? And I'm looking for hard evidence, not just partisan attacks.
Tom T writes:
It doesn't really matter since he has all the characteristics of the
"dry drunk". It is not the drinking as
anonymousff writes: big snip
Well, back to my unified evolved state of oneness, knowing nothing.
Tom T writes:
Answer seems to have become the question. It would seem that mission
has been accomplished. The koan has done its work. Good to hear from
you again mr A.
Tom
Peter asks:
Tom! You talk as if you're not even there...or even
here.where are you? ;-)
Tom T:
How should I know? Have no answer to that question that would make any
sense. Thanks for asking though. Tom
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Judy writes:
The question was, "Why would an Awakened One bother
reading/posting on this forum?"
Tom T;
I only can know myself in response to questions. No questions, don't
know anything. After the question it is interesting to see what has
come through this physiology. Tom
To subscribe, sen
Robert Gimbel writes: --From my experience also: sometimes we like to
hold onto our pain
Judy sincerely responds : Or, we'd be happy to let it go if we could
only figure out *how*.
Tom T: I know this will sound redundant as others here have made this
suggestion. If you desire you can buy, borrow
Judy wrote:
Even if you didn't find it resonated on *any* level?
Judy had written 30 messages ago:
Perhaps the appropriate question is, How is what the
teacher is saying affecting me? Do I find it
liberating--does it inspire me to expand into it, to
drop my boundaries--or do I experience it as
Jim Flanegin writes:
The difference in energy is due to identifying with the small
self=little energy vs identifying with the Universe=inexhaustable
energy.
Tom T writes:
In the book by Hawlkins "Power vs FOrce". It is apparent that small
self involves force and that identifying with the Universe
Torquise B writes
Think of it in terms of a drug-addiction analogy. The
teacher is trying to get the student to realize that he is
addicted to a dangerous drug (ignorance, the ego, self,
his "stories").
Tom T writes:
In actually any and all beliefs are addictions. Why do we know that to
be true?
TorquiseB writes:
I have to write and thank Tom (I think) for the recent post
in which he suggested that at a certain point in one's evol-
ution it was possibly more accurate to think of desires as
'appreciation' than it was to think of them as desires.
I got a real taste of that yesterday.
Tom T
TurguoiseB writes:
At this point I don't think that there IS anything that
one can "do" to bring this appreciation of witnessing
about. It's not up to "me." And it's not up to any "outside
agency" such as "God." It is just what is. Sometimes it's
noticeable, sometimes it's not, and it Really D
Judy writes: Snip
Not sure who "we" is here. And I'm not asking *you*
to change, just for you to change your behavior. I
can do that; is it something you've lost the ability
to do?
Tom T writes:
Judy you have an expectation that is out of touch with reality. The
rest of us out here need to read
Judy writes: What would be the goal?
Unc writes: Actual experience with a phenomenon instead of
just reading about it?
Judy writes:
Is that the goal of TM-Sidhis practice?
Tom T writes:
The supposedly stated goal was to teach one to think from the finest
levels of mental activity. Ie: to learn
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>
Judy:
> But the Gita gives some pretty good advice oncerning
> this situation and what to do about it, no? It isn't
> as though it fails to acknowledge what the problem is
> or to suggest a solution.
Lundrub:
> Bea
Akasha 108 writes:
That Awareness is expressed in the lifes of all in infinite ways is of
little surprise. However, what I was seeking to confirm (or refute if
there is no confirmation -- same process) is that there is some
commonality to the so called experience of so called awakening. As a
rough
Akasha 108 writes:
Though as Tom has claimed there are 58 million flavors of awakening
at the Awakening /IceCream store. I just wonder if plain vanilla is
really the same as triple jamaca almond machadamion nut ghee-fudge
blueberry mocha mintchip chavanaprash cherry saffron swirl with gold
leaf to
Vaj writes (big snip)
When one learns the Patanjali system it is traditionally taught in the
context of Samkhya, consequently this fact--on discriminating
Purusha--is taught right from the beginning.
Interestingly in the Shankaracharya tradition the yogic siddhis are
side stepped completely and
TurquoiseB writes:
Bingo! Also, there is an assumption some people
(mainly Westerners) make that I personally feel
is not warranted. Namely that because some people
can do non-everyday things and perform the occasional
siddhi that they're enlightened. Apples and oranges,
in my book. Siddhis ar
Akasha 108 writes:
It seems there may be a distinction i) between being celibate while
channels are opening up and sanskaras are being dissolved, ii) the
state where energy is ever flowing upward, all channels are open, and
all sanskaras are dissolved.
Tom T writes:
My experience is the following:
Irmeli writes:
> And then there is apparently also a much bigger server to which
these individual computers are connected to.
Akasha writes
Perhaps that larger server is the owner. Why steal ownership from that?
Tom T writes:
In my experience the unfolding seems to go from small I and bound to a
l
I wouldn't worry about questions to ask her but you might want to
focus on questions she might ask you. I have seen her in action and
she will take any question asked and turn it around and see why you
would ask that question. Probably the finest empty mind I have ever
seen. A joy to watch her work
Peter Sutphen wrote:
> That's interesting Patrick because I don't quite get
> the "turnaround" yet.
Tom T writes;
Sometimes when I am working with someone who is very stuck I go right
for the jugular with the ultimate turnaround. I ask them if they are
willing to die broke, alone and unloved. See
Peter Sutphen writes:snipped
Rick Carlstrom writes; Big Snip
You see, now this is the problem. Oh yeah, Krishna was hopping
around yelling in pain because I guess his body was doing the body
thing but at another level there was no suffering because...well
because there was no "him" to experienc
Peter Sutphen writes:
I'm waiting for Tom to weigh in on this debate! The
sutras are not practiced to primarily bring about a
siddhi.
Tom T responds:
OK sucked in again but with 200 new lurkers there must be a few who
have not heard me expound on this. It is my cognition that the entire
Sidhi pr
Akasha 108 writes: snipped
So the juxtaposition of the two meanings associated with the one
phrase is such a huge contrast: an admonition to be with God on one
level, and a rude red neck remark on the other. It's funny. The
contrast, the unfathomable gap between the two, is funny. At least to
me
Akasha 108 writes: snipped
Or maybe FFL will become Gospel, then the TMO just a faint memory. It
may be read with hushed tones in great cathedrals and temples.
Tom T responds:
You seem to have left out the two main devils that were thrown into
hell, fire and brimstone, Rory and Tom. In addition
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