[FairfieldLife] Re: From a MUM web page,,sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: snip Perhaps MMY played hooky from class the day this philosophy was taught. Still looking for ammo to use against your ex? It's such a classic story, isn't it? Sounds like a TV-movie: beautiful woman, guy is madly in love but can't deal with the guru trip. He roots around looking for dirt on the guru and confronts her with it. She puts up a huge fight, but he's got the goods, and eventually she has to confront the truth. And once she's come to her senses, she's deeply grateful to him for rescuing her. Of course, they live happily ever after. I'd do a lot more for her then that if I thought it would help. But the bottom line is freewill. And ultimately she and everyone must be free to choose their own paths and she has chosen hers. Yes, good, write that down too. That's the hero's big speech at the end of the second act, right before the commercial. Thats all you can muster up,,,simple sarcasm. Perhaps I over estimated your abilities. Pity I had hoped for some intelligent dialogue. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] I found this rather interesting
Earl Kaplan: The Truth April 16, 2004 Dear residents of Fairfield, Heavenly Mountain, the Spiritual Center, and whomever else may want to read this letter: Over the past several years my brother, his family and I have been attacked verbally, emotionally, spiritually and financially for leaving the TM movement. I have not said anything during this time, not wanting to fight with anyone. However, I have now come to realize, for the sake of those who want to listen and for my sake as well, to clear my conscious of all that I have learned, heard and known, that I must share the knowledge that has come to me. We should all be free to listen to our hearts, to follow our own inner voice and not to be subject to a movement and a so- called spiritual master who rules through lies, fear and deceit. This letter is really for those of you who have been feeling that something is wrong. Remember in the Matrix when Trinity told Neo they had been looking for him because they knew that he could just feel there was something missing, something out of order but he just couldn´t figure out what. Well, that is how it started to be for me and TM. I knew something was wrong. I remembered that when I started I was promised enlightenment in 5-7 years. I remember in 1975 Maharishi promising that now that there were all these governors that there would be world peace. I remember in 1977 at the end of the siddhis course Maharishi saying that is was just the hard knots of stress in the environment that needed to be cracked before we all started to fly and that he would call us back in a few years when we were ready to take off. I remember in the early 90´s, Maharishi told my brother that if we built the spiritual center that he would fill it up with 1000 Purusha and 1000 Mother Divine. He said as soon as we finished the buildings and he moved Purusha and Mother Divine there that people would start to fly, they would go into enlightenment. He also told me that if I gave him enough money for his India project that he would create a 10,000 group that would bring world peace right away. For 30 years I listened and responded and devotedly donated more money to Maharishi´s project than anyone ever had. I had this deep yearning to try to help mankind. I wanted to help create a peaceful world and I wanted to gain my own inner enlightenment. I never wanted any public attention and for many years no one even knew I was the leading donor for the movement. After I had given all this money and waited patiently for the results that Maharishi had promised, I started to wake up. I started to realize that I had been misled. WE ALL HAD! Where are the 7000 pundits Maharishi had raised hundreds of millions of dollars for and had repeatedly promised to bring to the U.S.? Where is the world peace he promised us all those years. Where is there one person who has gotten enlightened in the TM movement? Maharishi said eve a person in Cosmic Consciousness can perform the siddhis successfully and fly. In unity consciousness the prescriptions of Patanjali are not needed to get the results, they just happen. Please show me one or two people who can fly, who can perform the siddhis successfully, who are truly enlightened and I will admit that I am wrong. But really, no one in the TM movement can do so. The true believers in the TM movement actually become incensed when you ask them to give you a concrete demonstration of their abilities. The truth that I have come to realize is that the enlightenment that some of these TM people think they have is just a total delusion. There is no real substantive proof because there is no valid spiritual experience. The TM experience is an illusory experience, a sort of dream state brought about by using a technique that traps one in one´s own mind. Since I retired three years ago I have been researching spiritual techniques. I have spoken with a number of holy men from various traditions. I have traveled to India and met with enlightened Swamis and visited many of the sacred and holy cities. I have spoken with pundits who were in charge of the pundit groups. I have spoken with Dr. Triguna and other individuals who had been high in the TM organization. I interviewed members of Guru Dev´s family. I spoke with people in the TM movement who had looked at some of the financial records of the TM organization and I have spoken with investment people who said they have been in charge of investing some of the movement´s assets. I have spoken with old time skin boys (Maharishi´s personal assistants) and old course participants who were involved with Maharishi sexually (verified by the old skin boys). I have had the good fortune to come across wonderful alternative healing practices that really work and wonderful spiritual practices that are taught by the real representatives of age-old traditional lineages. I have been shocked to discover the secrets behind the
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: Earl Kaplan: The Truth So you believe that MMY stole some kind of spiritual talisman and that that is where he gets all his spiritual powers? Sparaig,,, no more so then say yogi flyers actually levitating. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: Earl Kaplan: The Truth So you believe that MMY stole some kind of spiritual talisman and that that is where he gets all his spiritual powers? Sparaig,,, no more so then say yogi flyers actually levitating. So, why bring it up then? 1. Because I chose to. 2. Because I found it interesting. 3. Because I wanted to. 4. Because there is a lot more in the letter then the couple of lines regarding the theft of a purported artifact with occult powers. 5. Because I am hoping others may be able to expand on it,,give their comments on it or debunk it. 6. Because I couldn't think of any reason why not to bring it up. I hope these are reasons enough. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Oh such delicious paranoia
I was sitting around my X's living room once. We had be talking about her meeting with some TM'rs to do their program together. It was going to mess up our plans for part of the day. So I suggested I just come along and read a book or something while they went off and did there thing. I didn't think it was a big deal. I was told no absolutely not. I asked why not what's the big secret? She said something like, they discuss different things that non TM'rs just can't know about. And then made a reference to the CIA and the FBI. I thought, wow, how bizarre and paranoid a comment to make. Is this girl wierd or what. We had only been dating awhile and I let it side. During the course of the last few months I have wondered more and more whether she was mentally ill or if part of her problem was brain washing from the organisation she belonged to. Funny how things happen and now here I am posting on FFL and have become the source of debate wondering if I might secretly be this other person and references to CIA and whose payroll I might be on. I did like the Satan reference though and have always considered myself to be a little devilish at times. Even when I did meet with some of her friends from the movement, there just seemed to be this vague whisp of mis-trust in the air. Kind of like, oh he's an outsider. He's not one of us attitude. And since I've always been an out going open minded and kind hearted do anything for you type I found the behaviour dis-heartening and mildly hurtful. Afterall, why would such spiritual people treat me of all guys with contempt. A man who enjoys a very deep and loving connection with God and sees All humanity, life and existance for that matter as part of a single conscious being. I am beginning to understand now, thanks in part to some folks here and their responses to my queiries. I've always felt the truth to the mysteries of what is incorporates both the sciences of existance and the love and wisdoms of a divine consciousness. In addition to searching for answers regarding why my X GF was the way she is I had also hope that perhaps I'd pick up a tid bit or two of something new that I could use to enhence my own spiritual journey. Clearly that will not be the case from the TM'rs I have encountered here. Fear, insecurities and paranoia fill your minds and perhaps even your hearts. How sad I feel for you,,,how sad I feel for my X GF. How do you get to be this way??? So can anyone tell me, regarding the question of Earl Kaplan. Is he a real person and was this a letter written by him? Did he contribute Millions of dollars to Maharishi and the TMO? How many millions and over what time frame? Did he know Maharishi personally? Could any some or all of he story be true? Or you you only interested in my testosterone levels and who pays me. P.S. He let me add my own twist for you to debatepssst maybe I'm really with the IRS. Ah Sweet Mother of God the paranoia. unclewas To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh such delicious paranoia
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: I was sitting around my X's living room once. We had be talking about her meeting with some TM'rs to do their program together. It was going to mess up our plans for part of the day. So I suggested I just come along and read a book or something while they went off and did there thing. I didn't think it was a big deal. I was told no absolutely not. I asked why not what's the big secret? She said something like, they discuss different things that non TM'rs just can't know about. And then made a reference to the CIA and the FBI. I thought, wow, how bizarre and paranoid a comment to make. Is this girl wierd or what. We had only been dating awhile and I let it side. During the course of the last few months I have wondered more and more whether she was mentally ill or if part of her problem was brain washing from the organisation she belonged to. Funny how things happen and now here I am posting on FFL and have become the source of debate wondering if I might secretly be this other person and references to CIA and whose payroll I might be on. I did like the Satan reference though and have always considered myself to be a little devilish at times. Even when I did meet with some of her friends from the movement, there just seemed to be this vague whisp of mis-trust in the air. Kind of like, oh he's an outsider. He's not one of us attitude. And since I've always been an out going open minded and kind hearted do anything for you type I found the behaviour dis-heartening and mildly hurtful. Afterall, why would such spiritual people treat me of all guys with contempt. A man who enjoys a very deep and loving connection with God and sees All humanity, life and existance for that matter as part of a single conscious being. I am beginning to understand now, thanks in part to some folks here and their responses to my queiries. I've always felt the truth to the mysteries of what is incorporates both the sciences of existance and the love and wisdoms of a divine consciousness. In addition to searching for answers regarding why my X GF was the way she is I had also hope that perhaps I'd pick up a tid bit or two of something new that I could use to enhence my own spiritual journey. Clearly that will not be the case from the TM'rs I have encountered here. Fear, insecurities and paranoia fill your minds and perhaps even your hearts. How sad I feel for you,,,how sad I feel for my X GF. How do you get to be this way??? So can anyone tell me, regarding the question of Earl Kaplan. Is he a real person and was this a letter written by him? Did he contribute Millions of dollars to Maharishi and the TMO? How many millions and over what time frame? Did he know Maharishi personally? Could any some or all of he story be true? Or you you only interested in my testosterone levels and who pays me. P.S. He let me add my own twist for you to debatepssst maybe I'm really with the IRS. Ah Sweet Mother of God the paranoia. unclewas You are quite good at posing as the friendly neighbour, but you are not good at posing as someone who is telling the truth about yourself, your family or the TM-movement. ...and what difference would that make, you paranoid nutcase? Suppose for one minute that he was NOT telling the truth about himself or his family and that he was posing as someone who he is not? Would that negate any of the points he makes? Does that prevent you from addressing his concerns? Even if he made up all that stuff about his ex girlfriend, haven't we all met at least one person who is like that? I know I have. By the way, nablus, I don't think you're too far off from the description he gives of his girlfriend, what with your talk about attempts on MMY's life and conspiracies against the TMO. Maybe YOU'RE the one who is posing...maybe YOU'RE his ex- girlfriend... Oh Christ! bite your tongue shepmccgurk,,,nablus,,,my girlfriend. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh such delicious paranoia
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/15/06 3:11 PM, Bill (William)Simmons at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So can anyone tell me, regarding the question of Earl Kaplan. Is he a real person and was this a letter written by him? Yes and yes. Did he contribute Millions of dollars to Maharishi and the TMO? Yes. How many millions and over what time frame? Probably about $100 million over 5-10 years. Did he know Maharishi personally? Yes. Could any some or all of he story be true? It¹s all true, to the best of his knowledge, but some of the stuff about Maharishi employing astral beings to suck your life force seems rather far-fetched to me. Or you you only interested in my testosterone levels and who pays me. P.S. He let me add my own twist for you to debatepssst maybe I'm really with the IRS. They¹re employing Canadians now? Damn,,, busted and I was s careful not to use the word eh in any of my posts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh such delicious paranoia
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: Guessing again: It's possible she was embarrassed about having a non-TMer boyfriend (see above), and before you met them, she had done some kind of number on them that made them feel self-conscious and awkward around you. I mean, she really does sound like kind of a fruitcake, bless her heart. I'll bet you a buck that if she had been involved with something else, the same nuttiness would have come out in that context. But you know what? You sound like you're becoming as obsessed with TM as she is. You seem to be more interested in dishing dirt on TM and MMY than in figuring out if there's anything you can do to help her. I think that's why some of us are a bit skeptical about your real agenda here (and it's not just TMers who are skeptical). Of course you are right Judy,,,I became and still am admittedly bitter surrounding the whole TMO MMY thing. I can't deny that. The truth is I really did like a number of her TM friends. They seemed sweet and gentle. It is one of the reasons I have been searching for answers. This was a nice response from you,,, thank you. Bill ps I know we've bantered back and forth I hope I haven't offended you to much. I will be leaving the board shortly. keep well. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Coherence/Synergy/Team Spirit
I've heard this term thrown around alot. Coherence is something I think is naturally attainable without TM and certainly not something that was discovered or created by Maharishi. Another word for it is simple team spirit. Look what happens at many major league sporting events. The crowd begins to cheer the home team,,,perhaps a wave starts in the stands. The enthusiams generate a sense of or perhaps a real positive energy and the home team scores. Maharishi Effect,,, hardly, just a lot of excited sports fans cheering on the home team. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a MUM web page,,sparaig
Of course the larger the number the better in studies worth any serious consideration. However, Fairfield itself offers an amazing case study. Because of the length of time factor of the study group. 1. There would have been a crime rate prior to TM's introduction into the community and should be verifable through past public/police/court records. 2. Then the introduction of TM and its organization to the community. 3. And a 30 year study period in which the crime rate could be tracted along with the steady growth of practising meditators. To my way of thinking. Thirty years of meditations by a steadily increasing population of meditators (far exceeding the 1% cl;aimed necessary to reverse rising crime rates) must result in a reduction in Fairfield's crime rates or the whole ME therory is disproved. Has Fairfield itself ever been the subject of such a study. If not,,,why not!!! How many crimminal offenses were reported in Fairfield in the year TM meditators began in Fairfield and how many reported offenses occured say last year? The trends should point to a declining crime rate given the significant number of meditators in the community. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: I cut and pasted this claim from a MUM web page claiming that Where as little as 1% of population is practising TM the trend of rising crime rates is REVERSED. Think it through carefully. It is entirely possible that the ME doesn't work. On the other hand, statistical analysis require LARGE groups of test subjects. For something like the ME, the group required to notice the effect reliably might conceivably be much larger than Fairfield itself. Consider the Taste of Untopia course. The effect on Fairfield would be large just because everyone is there, but the effect of several people running stop signs in a hurry to get to the Domes for group practice would be many times larger than, say, a 10% reduction in traffic violations by the local non-meditating population. Likewise, the Maharishi Effect WITHIN a group of sidhas might also be large, but the redution in crime rate affecting the group itself would be overwhelmed by the presence of a single sidha who happened to be a pickpocket (this happened during a course in DC-- don't know if the person was a sidha or just wandered in off the street but the police were called because of an incident--either way, a single individual's behavior in a group of 10,000 can skew the ressults in ways that don't happen when you look at the changes in behavior in a group of one million or 10 million or a billion, even if the effect is far, far smaller than in the group of sidhas allegedly having the effect). If you want a truely silly example, that really happened, consider the ME and its affect on sewage problem. Nothing in the theory says much about such a measure, but in fact, the immeditate effect of the ME in Fairfield was todestroy the town's sewage system. 8000 people in a town of 8000 getting up at the same time, using the bathroom at the same time, and flushing at the same time, explodes sewers. It's all the faultof the ME. Statisticians call it the Law of Large Numbers --things behave differently when you look at small populations and large populations. Again, this doesn't say anything about whether or not the ME exists, but it DOES explain why you can't disprove the ME by looking at the local effects in Fairfield. It also explains why much of the research on the local effects in fairfield is just pure marketing. Fairfield is a lousy place to conduct ME studies, and deep down inside, the TM researchers know this. You can't prove the ME or even offer reliable support for the ME, by looking at local statistics, but it DOES make for nice woo-woo feel good reports when things get better in Fairfield during a big course. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a MUM web page,,sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For whatever it is worth: http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/SocietalEffects/FairfieldCrime/index. cfm Heyit was certainly worth a laugh. astillchucklinwas To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a MUM web page,,sparaig
I can't help but wonder,,,When does aggressive marketing and cavalier scientific study practises cross the line and become an active attempt to de-fraud and thus become a crimminal activitiy on an organised level'. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They don't do this because the purpose of the the ME is political, not scientific. It is bandied about not in the spirit of understanding, but solely to promote TM. That's all MMY wanted to use it for, which is fine, but let's stop pretending we're interested in it for scientific reasons. Nicely stated. Other spiritual groups just state their beliefs and if you want to join you know what you are getting into. Religions operate this way also and it has a certain integrity. TM's presentation has always had a slippery element. Maybe MMY's desire to have a huge mainstream movement was his downfall. I notice in your posts, Peter, a spiritual primacy of consciousness over matter perspective that doesn't try to be anything else. I don't always share the perspective, but I know where you stand and I can learn a different view. It has integrity. TM's presentation tried to be everything to everybody and ended up being a pseudo materialistic spirituality. I think low movement numbers reflect this lack of the movement knowing what it is. The pompous and ridiculous Rajas are the perfect symbol of this lack of identity integrity. Rich guys in gold party hats. Visual poetic justice! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: Of course the larger the number the better in studies worth any serious consideration. However, Fairfield itself offers an amazing case study. Because of the length of time factor of the study group. 1. There would have been a crime rate prior to TM's introduction into the community and should be verifable through past public/police/court records. 2. Then the introduction of TM and its organization to the community. 3. And a 30 year study period in which the crime rate could be tracted along with the steady growth of practising meditators. To my way of thinking. Thirty years of meditations by a steadily increasing population of meditators (far exceeding the 1% cl;aimed necessary to reverse rising crime rates) must result in a reduction in Fairfield's crime rates or the whole ME therory is disproved. Has Fairfield itself ever been the subject of such a study. If not,,,why not!!! How many crimminal offenses were reported in Fairfield in the year TM meditators began in Fairfield and how many reported offenses occured say last year? The trends should point to a declining crime rate given the significant number of meditators in the community. Based on the theory of the ME you are absolutely correct. If the TMO/MUM was serious about understanding the field effects of consciousness they would have to understand why the ME does not appear to work in Fairfield and expand the ME theory to integrate this apparent contradiction. They don't do this because the purpose of the the ME is political, not scientific. It is bandied about not in the spirit of understanding, but solely to promote TM. That's all MMY wanted to use it for, which is fine, but let's stop pretending we're interested in it for scientific reasons. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DOJ's Flawed Analysis of Sustained ME Effect on Crime Trends in FF
Excellent post new morningvery thought provoking. Bill --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: Fairfield itself offers an amazing case study. Because of the length of time factor of the study group. 1. There would have been a crime rate prior to TM's introduction into the community and should be verifable through past public/police/court records. 2. Then the introduction of TM and its organization to the community. 3. And a 30 year study period in which the crime rate could be tracted along with the steady growth of practising meditators. To my way of thinking. Thirty years of meditations by a steadily increasing population of meditators (far exceeding the 1% cl;aimed necessary to reverse rising crime rates) must result in a reduction in Fairfield's crime rates or the whole ME therory is disproved. Has Fairfield itself ever been the subject of such a study. If not,,,why not!!! How many crimminal offenses were reported in Fairfield in the year TM meditators began in Fairfield and how many reported offenses occured say last year? The trends should point to a declining crime rate given the significant number of meditators in the community. For whatever it is worth: http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/SocietalEffects/FairfieldCrime/inde x.cfm I read DOJ's analysis. Its distrurbing that it is so shallow and has so many unaddressed (or only partially addressed) questionable metheodological issues. Following is a quick list of five major obvious flaws -- there are probably more: 1) Base Year. DOJ notes 74 as the year of the great migration (my term) to FF. And uses 1973, and prior, as the base year(s) to compare the efffect of TM etc on crime. The move occurred in middish Sept 1974. I was there. There was a lot of chaos the first several weeks as things were unpacked, people moved in, the place was cleaned, etc.,what I term chaos effects At a minimum, starting in October -- probably later to give chaos effects a chance to settle down, gives 1/4 of a year for TM effects. The other 3/4s of the year were Pre-TM, same old unmitigated crime rate. So in 1975, we would expect to see 4x the effect of 1974 due to any ME effect. The effect in 1975(and 76-77): no noticable change in violent crimes, and only a small decrease in property crimes. But property crimes was in a strong downward trend since 1970 through 1976. In 77-79, in the period when YF began, and the number of meditators and sidhas increased dramatically (as i recall -- anyone have data?), DOJ's property crime index actually increases, about 30% (visually). Is it reasonable to attribute this to 1/4 year of 600 or so 20 min 2x TMers (no YF, no long rounding in that period)? And during a period that was quite more relaxed than today with regards to many, what I will term satva factors -- factors which the TMO apparently links to purity/satva/being on the program: staying up late, unmarried cohabitation on campus, lots of guys leaving womens dorms very late at night or early in the morning, inorganic food, non SV buildings, old Parsons vibes yet to be purified, some meat eating, etc. Parsons Effects Could other factors explain the very sharp decrease (around 80%+ decrease) in violent crime in 1974? Lets look at Parsons College which used the facilities until it formally closed in June 1973. See end of post for details on Parsons. Given that there were probably 3-5000+ Parsons students at its peak, plus faculty, administration and staff, probabably didn't all leave town immediately. Its reasonable to assume that some lingered on through the end of 1973, figuring out what to do next, since no other colleges would apparently take them. However that essentially most were gone by early 1974 is also a resonable assumption. And lets assume the flocking -- students from other communities would flock to Fairfield to sample the atmosphere stopped completely in 1973. These two factors could well explain the huge drop off in Violent crime from 1973 to 1974. Its far more compelling IMO, than a 1/4 year of a ME effect from 600 TMers 20 min 2x. Particularly given that the hypothesized ME did not change for violent crimes in the next several years when there was 4x+ the cohenrence effect of ME. Violent crimes are: murder, robbery, aggravated assault(usually involving a weapon), unagravated assault (usually no weapon) and rape. Given that up to 5000, 80% male, heavily partying, prone to drunkeness students, plus some factor above that from like minded flockers, its not hard to imagine that unagravated assaults (including fist fights, I presume) and rapes declined
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a MUM web page,,sparaig, Sal
h, someone just emailed me personal and asked if I was barry,,,who's Barry,,,I'm Bill. noBarryhereBill --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Barry now writing under Curtis's account? Man, that guy is crafty, what will he think of next. Sal On Aug 14, 2006, at 11:39 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Sigh. The ME is used to explain why MMY isn't trying to get massive numbers of people to learn TM, and the Raja thing certainly turns people off and MMY knows this. I find it amazing how people will twist reality to fit their need to find flaws. He isn't even accomplishing the ME numbers is he? Non sequitur. It's Barry's trick again, conflating Maharishi sez with What Maharishi sez is true. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a MUM web page,,sparaig
no worries gerbal,,,I liked the post. Iffen my Hindu readings recall. The guru shall not ask for anything. The student shall offer everything. From the various articles I've read MMY is constantly asking for money,,,from governements, organisations and individuals. Hell the fact that there is a set cost for the meditations techniques proves that. I am pretty certain Hindu law itself forbids the charging of money for spiritual teachings. Words like,,,damnable hell comes to mind. Perhaps MMY played hooky from class the day this philosophy was taught. The s--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: I can't help but wonder,,,When does aggressive marketing and cavalier scientific study practises cross the line and become an active attempt to de-fraud and thus become a crimminal activitiy on an organised level'. Oh, Bill, it never crosses the line! Like Mahesh quipped one day in Seelisberg when he was wanting to do something iffy and was told so: The Lawyers will make it legal! You can't defraud the faithful if they are willingly giving you everything they've got. You can't help it if they are so dazed from all the meditation and other crap you've sold them that they can't think straight. I hope you see the point of my sarcasm,it certainly isn't aimed at you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: They don't do this because the purpose of the the ME is political, not scientific. It is bandied about not in the spirit of understanding, but solely to promote TM. That's all MMY wanted to use it for, which is fine, but let's stop pretending we're interested in it for scientific reasons. Nicely stated. Other spiritual groups just state their beliefs and if you want to join you know what you are getting into. Religions operate this way also and it has a certain integrity. TM's presentation has always had a slippery element. Maybe MMY's desire to have a huge mainstream movement was his downfall. I notice in your posts, Peter, a spiritual primacy of consciousness over matter perspective that doesn't try to be anything else. I don't always share the perspective, but I know where you stand and I can learn a different view. It has integrity. TM's presentation tried to be everything to everybody and ended up being a pseudo materialistic spirituality. I think low movement numbers reflect this lack of the movement knowing what it is. The pompous and ridiculous Rajas are the perfect symbol of this lack of identity integrity. Rich guys in gold party hats. Visual poetic justice! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: Of course the larger the number the better in studies worth any serious consideration. However, Fairfield itself offers an amazing case study. Because of the length of time factor of the study group. 1. There would have been a crime rate prior to TM's introduction into the community and should be verifable through past public/police/court records. 2. Then the introduction of TM and its organization to the community. 3. And a 30 year study period in which the crime rate could be tracted along with the steady growth of practising meditators. To my way of thinking. Thirty years of meditations by a steadily increasing population of meditators (far exceeding the 1% cl;aimed necessary to reverse rising crime rates) must result in a reduction in Fairfield's crime rates or the whole ME therory is disproved. Has Fairfield itself ever been the subject of such a study. If not,,,why not!!! How many crimminal offenses were reported in Fairfield in the year TM meditators began in Fairfield and how many reported offenses occured say last year? The trends should point to a declining crime rate given the significant number of meditators in the community. Based on the theory of the ME you are absolutely correct. If the TMO/MUM was serious about understanding the field effects of consciousness they would have to understand why the ME does not appear to work in Fairfield and expand the ME theory to integrate this apparent contradiction. They don't do this because the purpose of the the ME is political, not scientific. It is bandied about not in the spirit of understanding, but solely to promote TM. That's all MMY wanted to use it for, which is fine, but let's stop pretending we're interested in it for scientific
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a MUM web page,,sparaig, Sal
Thanks RickI don't imagine I'll be here long. Jist visitin fer a spell. Billybobwas --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/14/06 1:19 PM, Bill (William)Simmons at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: h, someone just emailed me personal and asked if I was barry,,,who's Barry,,,I'm Bill. Barry is someone who posted here frequently but recently decided to take a breather. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a MUM web page,,sparaig
He is a brillant business man and real estate magnet from what I can see. But then I can't for the life of me figure out what the Universal consciousness needs with earthly real estate. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: no worries gerbal,,,I liked the post. Iffen my Hindu readings recall. The guru shall not ask for anything. The student shall offer everything. From the various articles I've read MMY is constantly asking for money,,,from governements, organisations and individuals. Hell the fact that there is a set cost for the meditations techniques proves that. Just for the record, MMY isn't a really a guru in the traditional sense. I am pretty certain Hindu law itself forbids the charging of money for spiritual teachings. Words like,,,damnable hell comes to mind. And how many centuries ago was this law handed down, do you know? Was it addressing the situation of teachers who headed a mass movement to instruct many millions of people around the world? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a MUM web page,,sparaig, authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: He is a brillant business man and real estate magnet from what I can see. But then I can't for the life of me figure out what the Universal consciousness needs with earthly real estate. Neither can I. Do you think that's a relevant issue? What I think really doesn't matter on the universal scale of things. Afterall who am I? Nor do the unassailable fininacial foundations found on a limited physical plane in an infinite universe. Or might it have more to do with wanting the TMO to have an unassailable financial foundation so it's not dependent on economic conditions? Oh, you didn't answer my question: As for the linear time issue of when these rules were written. Who knows,,,who should care, the issue is truth and truth is timeless. IamwhoIam --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: snip I am pretty certain Hindu law itself forbids the charging of money for spiritual teachings. Words like,,,damnable hell comes to mind. And how many centuries ago was this law handed down, do you know? Was it addressing the situation of teachers who headed a mass movement to instruct many millions of people around the world? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a MUM web page,,sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: Perhaps MMY played hooky from class the day this philosophy was taught. Heavens, no. He wanted to know everything there was to know. Like the TM Nazi, you can't bend the rules in your favour unless you know what they are. Then you can bend them to glorify yourself and show others what fools they are. Gerbal I stand corrected, thank you I think you are right. The Lawyers will make it Legal. We'll use Science to prove it. Just give them some nice candies and they'll be fine. The Actor can play god better than god. Well said,,,very well said. Bill To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a MUM web page,,sparaig, authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: For some reason, Bill, you reminded me of another wonderful Maheshism. Someone asked him about prayer. He quipped you don't apply to the World Bank for $2.00 Well, here's the little guy, giggling at his own jokes, convincing others that they are going to reach cosmic consciousness and he makes a crack like that. Tells me there's something stinky in Vlodrop. He does strike me as a bit of a stinker. Ah more power to him i suppose,,,I should have his money. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a MUM web page,,sparaig, authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: He is a brillant business man and real estate magnet from what I can see. But then I can't for the life of me figure out what the Universal consciousness needs with earthly real estate. Neither can I. Do you think that's a relevant issue? What I think really doesn't matter on the universal scale of things. Afterall who am I? Sidestep. You raised the question. Nor do the unassailable fininacial foundations found on a limited physical plane in an infinite universe. Do they matter on the limited physical plane, you know, the one we happen to be living in? Or might it have more to do with wanting the TMO to have an unassailable financial foundation so it's not dependent on economic conditions? Oh, you didn't answer my question: As for the linear time issue of when these rules were written. Who knows,,,who should care, the issue is truth and truth is timeless. Sidestep. How do you know these rules represent Timeless Truth in an infinite universe, as opposed to time-bound rules for a limited physical plane? How come an unassailable financial foundation doesn't matter, but written-down rules are crucially important? With all this sidestepping, I have to assume you took my points but are reluctant to say so. Assume what you will,,,you will anyway,,, I'll assume. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why isn't more people doing their Sidhi-programs in the Fairfield Dome?
Oh sweet mother of God how ironic. The woman I broke up with because I refused to become a TM'er and told her what I thought of MMY was Mexican born and raised. I should forward this post to her regarding refusing Mexicans. Nah,,,I am angry but I have no desire to hurt her. And something like this would certainly do that. God I hope she awakens soon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: Just asking since.. (1) I received a communication to the effect that USA is some 400 people short of the ME quota (2) that if it weren't for the fact that only US residents and Canadians are allowed in, the number would probably by in the 4000s (by implication then), no Mexicans are allowed on the course? Now thats discriminatory bias. (Jokes about low cost illegal immigrant labor being the solution to the Course's problem aside.) ((But your honor, why are the visas denined ? Its a job few other americans are willing to do!)) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Hello new morning
My apologies for writing you here like this I had hoped you had a private email address but I didn't see one in your profile. Forgive me if I am totally off base here. You sound young and enthusiastic and you clearly have a dynamite analytical mind. If you are in fact young and attending the university,,,please please please don't put any stock into what I am saying here and go getting yourself in trouble with professor at the school. Questioning their research is like questioning their authority. If the studies are flawed they may take exception to a student questioning them. You could find yourself in their bad books and school is tough enough without having people throwing up road blocks. New morning. I am just a guy pissed off because his girl friend dumped him over her worshipping of Maharishi and I'm doing a little thereputic venting. Please don't jump on anything I point out here and land yourself in trouble at school. You sound like you have a very bright future. I'm a big boy and nothing I say here about the university or Maharishi can hurt me. Yours Sincerely Bill To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a MUM web page,,sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: Perhaps MMY played hooky from class the day this philosophy was taught. Heavens, no. He wanted to know everything there was to know. Like the TM Nazi, you can't bend the rules in your favour unless you know what they are. Then you can bend them to glorify yourself and show others what fools they are. Gerbal I stand corrected, thank you I think you are right. The Lawyers will make it Legal. We'll use Science to prove it. Just give them some nice candies and they'll be fine. The Actor can play god better than god. Well said,,,very well said. Bill Hey, Bill, nothing to stand corrected about. You were never infected with the dissociation capacities of TM and the other programmes that ate away at your ability to think for yourself, therefore you see much more clearly than many of the hard core defenders of the faith (the stealth religion of Maheshism). As an outsider (a compliment, really), you can see the sham, the ripoff, the out and out theft much more clearly. A California friend is trying to get me to write down all my experiences with the wiley widdle weasel. Maybe I will. He could say the damnest things in response to actually decent questions. I guess it was a kind of we don't go there; it's better to think about my foolishness than respond to your intelligent question. Gerbal I hope you will take your friends advice and not only write down your experiences but share them with the world. Though it is true that I am an outsider the man MMY and the organisation has still managed to impact on my life through the program of the mind of a woman I loved and still do very dearly. Yes she clearly has had problems that have left her susceptable to such organisations and individuals. At the risk of sounding arrogant, I get angry when innocent lambs get led astray by wolves dressed up as shepherds. Feeding off their fears, insecurites and the need to feel loved and accepted. That is exactly how my X GF was when she stumbled across TM with its promotions and claims. I understand too why it is so hard to break away. In the case of my X GF this man and this organisation has given her a sense of belonging to something. Its given her an identity. I'm a TM'r, I'M a Sidhi, these people are my family. All illusions of course but when one is drowning one will grab hold of anything that seems to float. Real family doesn't charge you money to participate in events or teach you how to connect with God, or the universal consciouness or however you freely choose to view the question of WHAT IS. It is an inherent right to be One with ALL,,,One with our creator. Keep well Bill To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a MUM web page,,sparaig, authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William) Simmons unclewas@ wrote: You see, TMers are infected with the dissociation capacities of TM and the other programs that eat away at their ability to think for themselves. They cannot think logically or question their beliefs. However, when TMers ask TM critics to question their own beliefs and logic, they are being TM Nazis. TM critics do not have to engage in such questioning. IOKYATC (It's OK If You're a TM Critic). Your words all of them,,,each and everyone. Perhaps you should re read them now. In particular that first paragraph. I real love it,,, though I would disagree with labelling all TM'rs this way. I'll bet the over whelming majority are beautiful intelligent people. I know its OK to be a TM critic,,,thank you for the validation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a MUM web page,,sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: I may share my old stories. Some of them are actually fun. Your comments above are sad. You have seen very clearly what Mahesh does to people. It's like getting someone drunk and them rolling them in an alley. Your richer, they're pooer, good for you. It goes beyond criminal, of course; but it works for Mahesh. I think he suffers from two bitterness that go as deep as bitter can go: 1 - he didn't get form Guru Dev what he really wanted 2 - the Beatles dumped him The greatest Guru he could find treated him like the clerk he was. The richest and most famous people on the planet saw him for what he was. Everything else is just Mahesh showing the world what he can do and who he can cheat and who's famous and who's rich and whose the Guru -- 'cept, he isn't the Guru he's the former guru to the Beatles. If history remembers him at all, it will only be in connection with the Beatles. You have done some excellent writing and thinking Bill, your messages are a pleasure to read and a real contribution to Maheshism- insight. I hope you don't mind my throwing in my 2cents worth. G I have considered it a prilege and a pleasure exchanging thoughts with you G thank you so much for the time you have shared with me and your kind words. Bill To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a MUM web page,,sparaig, authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William) Simmons unclewas@ wrote: You see, TMers are infected with the dissociation capacities of TM and the other programs that eat away at their ability to think for themselves. They cannot think logically or question their beliefs. However, when TMers ask TM critics to question their own beliefs and logic, they are being TM Nazis. TM critics do not have to engage in such questioning. IOKYATC (It's OK If You're a TM Critic). Your words all of them,,,each and everyone. Perhaps you should re read them now. In particular that first paragraph. I real love it,,, though I would disagree with labelling all TM'rs this way. You might want to take your disagreement up with gerbal, since I was using his words from a very recent post addressed to you. I'll bet the over whelming majority are beautiful intelligent people. I know its OK to be a TM critic,,,thank you for the validation. Well, of course it is, but that isn't exactly what I said, is it? Are you familiar with the term hypocrisy? I'm impressed Authfriend First you admit Tm'rs with a dissociation capacity of TM and other programs that eat away at their ability to think for themselves, (see your quote below.) You see, TMers are infected with the dissociation capacities of TM and the other programs that eat away at their ability to think for themselves. They cannot think logically or question their beliefs. Then within post or two you actually prove your point by using another posters words and admitting it,,,again see your quote below. You might want to take your disagreement up with gerbal, since I was using his words from a very recent post addressed to you. Think for your self authfriend,,,use your own words,,,your own mind and your own thoughts, not those of the TMO MMY or other posters and perhaps, if something you say interests me I'll engage you in deeper conversation. Cheers Bill To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a MUM web page,,sparaig, authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William) Simmons unclewas@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William) Simmons unclewas@ wrote: I don't *think* you're quite as clueless as you seem, but I could be wrong. Time may tell. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a MUM web page,,sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: snip Perhaps MMY played hooky from class the day this philosophy was taught. Still looking for ammo to use against your ex? It's such a classic story, isn't it? Sounds like a TV-movie: beautiful woman, guy is madly in love but can't deal with the guru trip. He roots around looking for dirt on the guru and confronts her with it. She puts up a huge fight, but he's got the goods, and eventually she has to confront the truth. And once she's come to her senses, she's deeply grateful to him for rescuing her. Of course, they live happily ever after. I'd do a lot more for her then that if I thought it would help. But the bottom line is freewill. And ultimately she and everyone must be free to choose their own paths and she has chosen hers. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi Maheshi Yogi's life work; Has culminated in this theory, It's called 'The Maharishi Effect'. It says; That TM meditators, have an effect; When in transendental deep meditation- That effects the rest of the population; (Yes, I know this sounds absurd) Robert, interesting theories and given that these theories are the culmination of MMY's life work. Is it safe to say Fairfield itself being the home of the TM movement, the univeristy and so many Tm meditators is a community in a state of bliss. Does Fairfield enjoy a 0% crime rate. 0 % domestic disputes and a 0% incidence of the various other types of social problems that plague other communities with a fraction of the population of meditators. Yes Robert to use your own words this does sound absurd. If MMY can bring peace to a community with (I think I saw a claim of 1% of the population meditating). Then given Fairfields pop. of a mere 10,000 people there must be zero reportable incidences in your community with such a large population of TM meditators,,,how could it possibly be anything but,,,it is afterall a culmination of MMY's life work. Does Fairfield have a zero percent crime rate,,,oh hell lets just say a zero percent VIOLENT crime rate??? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi Effect'- How it works...'
Thank you Curtisdeltablues your response it mirrors my thoughts on what I am certain is a nice community (Fairfield). One that is no better but no worse then other communities with far less folks flying' for a better world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like many aspects of the TM movement beliefs, the 1% claims are carefully worded so they are un-falsifiable. This is a common trick with groups making absurd claims. Because they are choosing what to pay attention to in huge amounts of sociological data, they can make it seem like either something good is happening or something is purifying in the environment. On a smaller scale this is played out with the claim that TM makes you feel better in every way, unless it doesn't, which is termed unstressing. They are only fooling themselves with this transparent tactic. Fairfield people are nice, ordinary folks with all the same social problems common to their age demographic. Nothing special after decades of devotion to this practice. The same mix of idiots and geniuses you find everywhere else. They aren't better in any way, but I don't think they are worse either. Just an odd belief system in a group of mostly optimistic people. I think you would have to look long and hard to find another one as whacked as your ex seemed to be. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Maharishi Maheshi Yogi's life work; Has culminated in this theory, It's called 'The Maharishi Effect'. It says; That TM meditators, have an effect; When in transendental deep meditation- That effects the rest of the population; (Yes, I know this sounds absurd) Robert, interesting theories and given that these theories are the culmination of MMY's life work. Is it safe to say Fairfield itself being the home of the TM movement, the univeristy and so many Tm meditators is a community in a state of bliss. Does Fairfield enjoy a 0% crime rate. 0 % domestic disputes and a 0% incidence of the various other types of social problems that plague other communities with a fraction of the population of meditators. Yes Robert to use your own words this does sound absurd. If MMY can bring peace to a community with (I think I saw a claim of 1% of the population meditating). Then given Fairfields pop. of a mere 10,000 people there must be zero reportable incidences in your community with such a large population of TM meditators,,,how could it possibly be anything but,,,it is afterall a culmination of MMY's life work. Does Fairfield have a zero percent crime rate,,,oh hell lets just say a zero percent VIOLENT crime rate??? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] From a MUM web page
I cut and pasted this claim from a MUM web page claiming that Where as little as 1% of population is practising TM the trend of rising crime rates is REVERSED. This is the actual cut and paste. We can split hairs all we won't on actual wording but given this claim by the University the spirit of the message would suggest that the town of Fairfield should be enjoying a crime rate far below the national average... In 1975, Maharishi inaugurated the dawn of a new era, proclaiming that 'through the window of science we see the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment'. Scientific research found that in cities and towns all over the world where as little as one per cent of the population practises the Transcendental Meditation Technique, the trend of rising crime rate is reversed, indicating increasing order and harmony. Research scientists named this phenomenon of rising coherence in the collective consciousness of the whole society the Maharishi Effect, because this was the realization of Maharishi's promise to society made in the very early days of Maharishi's Movement (started in Madras, India in 1957). The Maharishi Effect establishes the principle that individual consciousness affects collective consciousness. Nearly 50 scientific research studies conducted over the past 25 years verify the unique effect and wide-ranging benefits to the nation produced by the Maharishi Effect. These studies have used the most rigorous research methods and evaluation procedures available in the social sciences, including time series analysis, which controls for weekly and seasonal cycles or trends in social data. (Refer to: Scientific Research on Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation ProgrammeCollected Papers 98, 166, 317-320, 331, and 402.) Research shows that the influence of coherence created by the Maharishi Effect can be measured on both national and international levels. Increased coherence within the nation expresses itself in improved national harmony and well-being. In addition, this internal coherence and harmony generates an influence that extends beyond the nation's borders, expressing itself in improved international relations and reduced international conflicts. In 1976, with the introduction of the more advanced TM-Sidhi Programme including Yogic Flying, a more powerful effect of coherence in collective consciousness was expected. The first major test of this prediction took place in 1978 during Maharishi's Global Ideal Society Campaign in 108 countries: crime rate was reduced everywhere. (Refer to: Scientific Research on Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation ProgrammeCollected Papers 321-323, 325-330, 332-335, and 401-410.) This global research demonstrated a new formula: the square root of one per cent of a population practising Transcendental Meditation and the TM-Sidhi Programme, morning and evening together in one place, is sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and promote positive trends throughout the whole population. Research has shown that groups of individuals practising Yogic Flying all enjoying very high brainwave coherencecreate coherence in collective consciousness, and generate a unifying and integrating effect in the life of society. This results in a decrease of negative trends throughout societysuch as crime, accidents, and sickness and an increase in positive social, economic, and political trends. Scientific studies on this phenomenon have demonstrated that a group of at least 7,000 individuals practising Yogic Flying can produce this coherence-creating effect on a global scale, reducing violent and negative trends worldwide. Research studies have repeatedly confirmed the Maharishi Effect on a global scale. For example, during assemblies of ten days to three weeks in which the number of individuals practising the TM-Sidhi Programme of Yogic Flying approached or exceeded the square root of one per cent of the world's populationabout 7,000 peopleglobal social trends improved immediately, including improved international relations as measured by reduced international conflict and reduced incidence of terrorism. (Refer to: Scientific Research on Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation ProgrammeCollected Papers 335-337, 410, and 411.) The secret of the Global Maharishi Effect is the phenomenon known to Physics as the 'Field Effect', the effect of coherence and positivity produced from the field of infinite correlationthe self-referral field of least excitation of consciousnessthe field of Transcendental Consciousness, which is basic to creation and permeates all life everywhere. Through the Maharishi Effect, Extended Maharishi Effect, and Global Maharishi Effect, with positive trends and harmony rising in individual and national life, the problems of the nation will disappear, as darkness disappears with the onset of light. EEG Research Locates the Seat of the Maharishi Effect in the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
Funny you should say that,,,(that it might be her supressed thoughts too. Because there is this part of me that thinks the very same. I thought if I through as much unconditional love her way as humanly possible I could reach her and I thought I was. She would say things like ,,,This is the first time in my life that I have been truly happy when we had done something together. Or we would have a perfect weekend together,,,then BAM out of the blue it would be Maharishi this and Maharishi that. It was as if a inner conflict was playing tug of war with her. I know she had a horrible childhood and turmoil in her early adult life led to searching for acceptence and I think she thought she found it in this group. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
That's ok,,,I am certainly accustomed to defensiveness both passive and agressive when speaking about TM with TM'rs How can you tell the difference between someone who is totally brainwashed and programmed and somebody who is so excited by something they've just learned they can't stop talking about it? Personally, when I am excited about something I have experienced I speak in terms of I and we but in the case in point it was all Maharishi,,,Maharishi,,,Maharishi. Indicating an almost absence of self awareness and identity. Only Maharishi existed,,,only his word, his thoughts, his ideals,,,truely frightening that one person, a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the rest of us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us could be looked upon as different. But then I have walked through the halls of his Center of Enlightenment in Huntsville. Dingy, old, smells of mould, paint pealing off the walls. Kitchen appliances that look like fire hazards. It seemed totally void of life joy or happiness. I felt like I was walking through a morgue. No plants, no flowers only picture after endless picture of Maharishi himself on the walls. Just for the record, the German study is a complete crock. If you're interested to know more, do a search on Google Groups in the group alt.meditation.transcendental for German study. Ah yes an impartial government study is a crock. Well I don't think the German courts share you view. Can you tell me who set up and who sponsored the site you have recommended? For that matter, practically everything you'll find on Trancenet is dubious in one way or the other. Not a reliable source of information on TM. I have been to far more sites then Trancenet but thank you for your advice. Most people just learn TM and go away and practice it on their own without going any further or becoming involved in the TM organization. It's also entirely possible to learn the TM-Sidhis and/or become involved with the TM organization without getting into a cultlike relationship with it. Some people seem to need to establish a cultlike relationship with the TMO, and unfortunately the TMO doesn't do anything to discourage that. Absolutely and I couldn't agree more with these statements. In fact I meditate myself,,,regularly. But its not just the cult like mentality referring to the TMO it is also the worshipping of a man, that man being Maharishi. He's just a man who has made billions selling a customised version of Hinduism. And there's nothing wrong with that. Just be honest and call it what it is. When I first started dating me Freudian slip?? More like a reality check,,,in the final analysis I was dating myself. Her mind was no where to be found, then again neither was her heart. I kind of doubt she believed she was actually levitating beyond the first stage (hopping) of Yogic Flying. Wanna bet!!! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter
Just over two years Peter. A great woman, I adored her and still do. When she was peaceful she was like an angel. But then out of nowhere. Actually it was usually a day or two after we had done something really nice together,,,that this demon side appearred and all hell would break loose. It was as if a part of her couldn't handle being happy she needed to return to chaos. She would reffer to her meditation experiencing as achieving comsic orgasms,,,I thought to myself oh great what is this a form of mental masterbation. I actually observed her once while she was meditating. At age 50th in my eyes she's the most beautiful woman in the world. But on that afternoon while in her trance her face look distorted hagard and old. It was almost frightening and it left me wondering just how much joy and bliss could she have possibly be feeling. I've been in emergency services for 30 years Peter and have a great deal of patience with people and so I really tried to be patient with her but finally and again out of the blue she announced Maharishi says we need to be celibate in order to channel all our energies to our higher spiritual intellect. That's when I finally had even enough and said something like,,,Oh sure Maharishi says everyone should be celibate but himreffering to a years ago comment by the beatles calling him a lecherous womaniser. I know it was the wrong thing to say and the conversation went down hill from there to include He's a liar a cheat and a fraud. Thought I was going to have to call 911 myself for backup. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter
Sal,,,I'm quite certain of it. I think the meditation is her own personal crutch or a happy pill. Just pop and hop and she feels better temporarily. But it doesn't address the underlying root causes/demons etc. But because Maharishi says just meditate more and all your problems will go away. She appears totally convinced that more money on more time and more meditation will bring her the peace she wants. Ironically I think the path to enlightment is the path in which we do away with all our needs. Afterall it is our percieved NEEDS that tie us down. And if a person NEEDS a Guru's guidance or meditation or anything then it is still a need and still an obstacle to enlightment. So I guess what I'm saying is until one can give up meditation and give up Maharishi or anyone else for that matter, How can one reach true enlightment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
I like your reasoning Sal!!! ItsasimplerelaxationtechniqueWAS --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But that's just it--you weren't supposed to have to believe in anything when you started TM (as it wasn't a religion--remember?). You didn't even need to believe TM worked--all you had to do was practice it, 2X/day, believing whatever you wanted about that or anything else. Sal On Aug 12, 2006, at 9:49 AM, authfriend wrote: Do you ever defend things you believe in when others criticize them? Are you being defensive when you do that? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
Boy, she must have been very beautiful or had a very charming personality for you to stand her for so long. Ah she surely was. In my eyes the most beautiful woman in the world. I would get occassional glimpses of the free spirit within her. Just long nough to keep me coming back for more. How could you put up with all of that? Love for her spirit and hope she would frre herself from the addiction. For the record, very few TMers that I know were like that. I know,,,I've met several of her TM friends, with few exceptions (like any group in life) most were sweet and kind. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Authfriend
You make some valid points. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Thank you All
Thanks everyone who has responded to my posts. Keep well in peace Bill To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
To clarify, no I am not a TM'r, though God knows I was pressured to become one, to the point where she broke it off once simply because I wasn't willingly to join. No I prefer a park setting, sitting at the base of a tree leaning against it with my spine.(Crosslegged). Sometimes I'll repeat the words One with All,,,other times I'll just focus on my breath and take it all in. No secret mantra, no set rituals, I am a free forming kind of person who just likes to go with the flow. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip ...and you are, IMHO, an actual practioner of the TM Program He never said he practiced TM, Shemp. He said he meditated regularly. And within the context of the discussion that was going on when he said it, I assumed he meant the TM Program. If it isn't TM that he practises, I hope he'll let us know and then I'll stand corrected. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Why the need???
I can't seem to come up with a rational reason to spend a great portion of my life in meditation. What gets accomplished? What gets created? I'm not trying to be argumentative here or confrontational, I am just trying to understand . My X GF spends two hours a day in meditation and has for 25 years. Has no will to work and has made this one thing the center point in her life. She is what she calls a Sidhi. She says she transcends and connects to the universal consciousness. Cool but why the need to do this twice a day for your life. What's the point. Clearly given the recognition of a higher existance (through the acceptance of a higher universal consciounes) is it not reasonable to assume that one day we will all leave the physical plane a transcend to this higher place as part of the souls natural evolution? So why spend the time we have been given here in a physical form and on a physical plane trying to get back to the other side each and everydayWhen its time to go home we'll all get to go home. It seems to me like a person who goes away on a vacation to a far off exotic land only to spend every day, twice a day calling home to see how things are back there. Me I am here now in the present and on this plane of existance to experience what is here in all its positive and negative aspects. Why else would I be here if it wasn't to experience what is here on this level of existance. I am wrong To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the need???
Thank you Rick I appreciate the insights. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 12:24 PM, Bill (William)Simmons at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't seem to come up with a rational reason to spend a great portion of my life in meditation. What gets accomplished? What gets created? Self-realization (ideally). I'm not trying to be argumentative here or confrontational, I am just trying to understand . My X GF spends two hours a day in meditation and has for 25 years. So have I, for 38 years. Has no will to work Me neither, but that¹s not due to meditation. But I work anyway. And actually have fun with it most of the time. She says she transcends and connects to the universal consciousness. Cool but why the need to do this twice a day for your life. What's the point. Clearly given the recognition of a higher existance (through the acceptance of a higher universal consciounes) is it not reasonable to assume that one day we will all leave the physical plane a transcend to this higher place as part of the souls natural evolution? So why spend the time we have been given here in a physical form and on a physical plane trying to get back to the other side each and everydayWhen its time to go home we'll all get to go home. It seems to me like a person who goes away on a vacation to a far off exotic land only to spend every day, twice a day calling home to see how things are back there. Me I am here now in the present and on this plane of existance to experience what is here in all its positive and negative aspects. Why else would I be here if it wasn't to experience what is here on this level of existance. It¹s natural to want to know and be more. One can explore and become permanently aware of ³higher² planes of existence without forfeiting this one. It¹s not ³the other side.² All ³levels² of reality exist here, now. What you experience in meditation is not necessarily what you experience after you die. I am wrong The point of meditation is to realize that ³higher consciousness² not merely in meditation, but all the time. This is tremendously enriching to life in many ways. This realization has dawned in many who have been meditating a long time, and in some who haven¹t been doing it that long. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the need???
Thank you gerbal88 She often said to me,,,Why are you with me, I have nothing to offer. I always found that to be a very said reflection of ones self worth. And yet she claims to be on such a high spiritual path. She feels she is superior spiritually because she is a TM'er. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: I can't seem to come up with a rational reason to spend a great portion of my life in meditation. What gets accomplished? What gets created? I'm not trying to be argumentative here or confrontational, I am just trying to understand . My X GF spends two hours a day in meditation and has for 25 years. Has no will to work and has made this one thing the center point in her life. She is what she calls a Sidhi. She says she transcends and connects to the universal consciousness. Cool but why the need to do this twice a day for your life. What's the point. Clearly given the recognition of a higher existance (through the acceptance of a higher universal consciounes) is it not reasonable to assume that one day we will all leave the physical plane a transcend to this higher place as part of the souls natural evolution? So why spend the time we have been given here in a physical form and on a physical plane trying to get back to the other side each and everydayWhen its time to go home we'll all get to go home. It seems to me like a person who goes away on a vacation to a far off exotic land only to spend every day, twice a day calling home to see how things are back there. Me I am here now in the present and on this plane of existance to experience what is here in all its positive and negative aspects. Why else would I be here if it wasn't to experience what is here on this level of existance. I am wrong Hi, Bill -- I don't think you are wrong. Even Mahesh, in the early days, said the whole purpose of his meditation was so that we could enjoy life. He went so far as to say that we judge the benefit of our meditation by how well things go in daily activity [a bit of a paraphrase, but accurate nonetheless]. So I wonder what form of meditation your X GF is doing. When Mahesh realized that he was basically a nobody whom the Beatles ditched, he got rather more aggressive and began to churn out more and more to do (i.e., more and more for the punters to buy to enrich himself). He got rich and more and more people noticed that the more and more they had bought was making them more and more exhausted. The mind, proclaimed Mahesh cunningly, goes in the direction of more and more. Greed sells. Any salesman knows this. Something for nothing is a hot item, no matter what it costs. The purpose of meditation? Well, like Mahesh said: to enrich your daily activity. If it isn't enriching life, why are you doing it? Monks, nuns, recluse types do spend great portions of their life in deep meditation. But they also don't engage in daily activity as ordinary folk do. -- Mahesh used to make a big deal of recluse mantras and householder mantras. But that's just a diversion from the real effects of his meditation-method. His meditation- method/householder mantras turned a lot of folks into recluses and I'm not sure this is good. Maybe it kept them hooked on his every new greatest sure thing, I don't know. But you raise all the right questions. There are good meditation practises that really do enrich daily life. From my experience, however, I doubt very seriously that Mahesh's TM is one of them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
Not yet but time will tell!!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --snip-- BTW, TM can *appear* to be addicting, but the dynamics don't quite fit in my experience. Most non-recovering addicts of any thing will say the same thing you have said above. On a lighter (?), note do you experience your participation in FFL as being an addiction? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
saraig actually she has just started a bible reading group and sins and sinners was becoming the flavour of the day just prior to breaking up. But I cannot see this woman ever giving up on TM. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Bill, I'd say you're lucky the relationship is over--chalk it up to a learning experience. Many of us felt that way at some point (not the extreme anger part, but definitely the protective of all things having to do with MMY part. She'll move on too, I predict, when she realizes the TMO no longer fits her fantasies. Doesn't mean she'll give up all things TM, just that the illusion stage will be over. So it's all the TMO's fault? She's not living at Fairfield, so obviously she isn't as hardcore as she likes to think. This is an internal problem she's projecting onto TM and the TMO. She may outgrow it and continue TM or move on, OR she may suddenly discover that TM is horrible and bad and find something new to obsess about and declare that all her time with TM was a complete waste while her NEW guru/organization is the best thing in the world, etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Hello Fairfield
Hi folks, I have just joined and looking to learn more about the whole Maharishi thing from the folks who actually live in Fairfield. I just broke up with a woman who has been a hard core meditator for 25 yrs. I think she's been totally brain washed by this movement and the Maharishi. I calmly said to her the other day I thought he (Maharishi) was a liar a cheat and a fruad. I thought she was going to kill me. I have never witnessed such anger rage or hatred in my life. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
