[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: snip Nobody I know of in government ever said Saddam was involved in any aspect of 911. Correct. You do not know Bush, Cheney, Ruimsfeld, Rice, etc. On September the 11th, 2001, we found that problems originating in a failed and oppressive state 7,000 miles away could bring murder and destruction to our country. --George W. Bush, State of the Union, January 2006 Was that AFghanistan or Iraq? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/10/06 11:52:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: have no problem with any of these statements. Obviously the issue is the overall War on terrorism of which Iraq is a part of. There is no accusation that Saddam was involved in the 911 attacks. You can't possibly be as dumb as you sound here. The whole *point* is that they didn't make the accusation overtly; they planted the idea in people's minds by association. The statements were *designed* to make the suggestion without explicitly saying something they knew wasn't true. They were very carefully constructed so that dupes like you could exclaim, Oh, but he didn't actually *say*... But there's no question they were intended to mislead--there are too many of them along the same lines to have been accidental--same lin they were successful in doing so. There's nothing else that could account for those poll numbers I reported. You claimed the idea that Saddam had been involved in 9/11 was widespread immediately after the attacks. It was not; it was *rare*. But in the space of a little over a year, it went up to 72 percent. There are quite a few polls asking similar questions around that time and later, and every last one shows a majority thinking Saddam was involved. I've been checking out the various polls and have found them varying widely. Some as low as 22% most averaging just about 50% between 2003 and 2006. Well, sure. At the time Bush said there was no link in September 2003, the latest poll said 70 percent. After that, of course it began going down, and that trend was helped along by the 9/11 commission, which reported in June 2004 that there was no evidence of Saddam collaborating in the attacks. But by then it was too late; we had already invaded Iraq. In any case, just about 50% *after* Bush's admission and the 9/11 commission findings is remarkable; it shows how tenacious that mistaken belief was. As one poll stated, a large number of people polled at one time ought a significant number of 911 hijackers were Iraqi, of course ybody that pays attention to the news, knows that none were. Do you have any evidence that the White House planted this? Other than the repeated implied associations between Iraq and 9/11, you mean? Once people accepted that, they would naturally assume the hijackers were Iraqi. How many of the people that are polled and think Saddam was involved in 911 do you think even watch presidential speeches or read a news paper? Quite a few. Those who don't, hear it from their friends who do; if they watch news or talk shows on TV, they hear it there. The belief didn't just arise in a vacuum. Try looking at this poll._Few Americans Perceive Hussein-9/11 Link: Angus Reid Consultants_ (http://www.angus- reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/11047) . Good grief, this is a New York Times poll from February of *this year*. By that time the war was increasingly in disrepute; 53 percent thought it hadn't been worth it. It's amazing that 29 percent *still* believed Saddam had been personally involved, and 14 percent weren't sure. The critical period, again, was that leading up to the invasion and the early days of the occupation. I never said a majority believed this in 2006. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
In a message dated 7/11/06 6:40:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As one poll stated, a large number of people polled at one time ought a significant number of 911 hijackers were Iraqi, of course ybody that pays attention to the news, knows that none were. Do you have any evidence that the White House planted this?Other than the repeated implied associations betweenIraq and 9/11, you mean? Once people accepted that,they would naturally assume the hijackers were Iraqi. How many of the people that are polled and think Saddam was involved in 911 do you think even watch presidential speeches or read a news paper?Quite a few. Those who don't, hear it from theirfriends who do; if they watch news or talk shows onTV, they hear it there. The belief didn't justarise in a vacuum. Uninformed people getting news second, third and fourth hand eh?From friends, over the Internet and talking heads, any place but the source. The president even publicly stated very clearly for all to hear that there was no link. Yet some people complain that Iraq and 911 are even spoken in the same breath, not because it confuses people, but because Democrats want the war in Iraq separated from the war on terror. They believe they are two separate issues and want itdefined as such. Clearly Democrats are desperate for this so they can say they were tricked into Iraq but support the war on terror I really can't believe for one minute that 200 million Americans believed Saddam was linked to the events of 911 once the FBI had come to the conclusion that Mohammed Atta did not meet Iraqi intelligence, where ever that was originally reported to have happened. Nor do I believed the same were confused when the administration linked Iraq with the war on terrorismin the same sentence. However, I will grant it that isolating certain sentences out of an entire speech could easily be misused to cause confusion by those who would benefit from that confusion. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/8/06 3:18:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No. One has a right to be heard, but one doens't always have a right to use a publicly funded forum to exercise one's rights. Wrong , no one has a right to be heard period. I don't have to listen to you if I don't want to nor do I have to give you a public forum for you to say anything I disagree with or don't believe, with few exceptions. And this is the attitude of the 'Godless' corporations, which own almost all of the media; And they get their tax rebates from the Bush administration; And the corporations give the money to the University; So, they are really the same entity. The contracts at the University of Wisconsin; Are so solid, with tenure, and all of that. That a professor, here who was serving time in prison; For child molestation; Was still collecting his salary, while in jail. Until, it was revealed, and then it was stopped. So, Maharishi is right, when he says, the government, corporations, and all of the rest of it, is so polluted now; With everything as controlled as humanly possible. Sometimes it does seem a little paranoid to think; That what is now modern day Rome: The U.S.A. and it's multi-nationals. In hand in hand with the Saudis, and the Kuitwati's, who ride around in Mercedes, most have more money than they know what to do with. And the military people retire in 20 years, and then create corporations, that pay them more than thier salaries, and it keeps going around and around; it feeds on itself as more and more people need drugs just to get by... So, the right to free speech, especially on Corporate TV or Corporate Radio; is hard to find; it's manipulated, through and through. Our hope is in the freedom of the internet to reveal the truth; And the raising of consciousness, by stablizing pure consciousness; In our awareness... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: However, there IS evidence that the Israeli government knew the where and when of 9/11... / Cites? I have seen many theory's on the subject of Isreali involvement. Check any of the 9/11 sites and you'll soon find a link to one... The thing is: Most people in the Arab world, think the Isreali's were completely behind it; they see Isreal and the U.S. as basically the same entity. What's his name in Iran, is attempting to seperate the distinction between the two countries; so he has taken the approach of divide and conquer: The Arab hates the Jew, worse than he hate's anything else; This goes back to the beginning of the Bible. They have been fighting over that land since before baby Jesus. So, get a grip... I am Jewish, so I don't like to think that the Isreali's were involved. But I am also a seeker of the 'Truth' Isreal was created as a result of the events of europe during the holocaust; When even the good 'ol USA, refused to take in refuge Jewish people, from Europe; so...they were slaughtered,, as we all so well know. There were people in the U.S. at the time, of the early Hitler days, that actually supported him and his philosophy's. Among those were Joe Kennedy, Prescott Bush, and Henry Ford. So, there ya go... There is definetly evil in this world; And if left to run amuck, can cause untold suffering; And show the face of the human race, to be quite ugly... Lou Valentino, whom some of you might remember from MIU, has a rather interesting forecast regarding Israel for this year: http://yogavisionaries.com/future/php In my view, the israelis are digging their own grave and their aggression can only continue as long as the USA is willing to sponsor them. Lou Valentinos angle is that the americans might not be able to do that for very long due to costs in Afghanistan/Iraq and the cost of overcoming the coming (july/agust/september 2006) disasters in California. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
In a message dated 7/9/06 8:10:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nobody I know of in government ever said Saddam was involved in any aspect of 911.Oh, please. They were very careful not to say it*explicitly*--because they knew it wasn't true--but they repeatedly implied it. As I said, Busheven did so in this year's State of the Union speech. No Judy , you are reading between the lines, trying tell us the definition of what "is" is. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
In a message dated 7/9/06 8:07:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nobody I know of in government ever said Saddam was involved in any aspect of 911. Correct. You do not know Bush, Cheney, Ruimsfeld, Rice, etc."On September the 11th, 2001, we found that problems originating in a failed and oppressive state 7,000 miles away could bring murder and destruction to our country."--George W. Bush, State of the Union, January 2006 That is a long way from saying Saddam was involved in 911. In fact it suggests the lack of freedom in countries run by tyrants in the middle eastbreeds terrorists. "We have no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with 11 September attacks." Bush 2003. You can't get any cleared than that. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/9/06 8:07:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nobody I know of in government ever said Saddam was involved in any aspect of 911. Correct. You do not know Bush, Cheney, Ruimsfeld, Rice, etc. On September the 11th, 2001, we found that problems originating in a failed and oppressive state 7,000 miles away could bring murder and destruction to our country. --George W. Bush, State of the Union, January 2006 That is a long way from saying Saddam was involved in 911. In fact it suggests the lack of freedom in countries run by tyrants in the middle east breeds terrorists. We have no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with 11 September attacks. Bush 2003. You can't get any cleared than that. Have some more Kool-Aid, MDixon. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/9/06 8:10:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nobody I know of in government ever said Saddam was involved in any aspect of 911. Oh, please. They were very careful not to say it *explicitly, because they knew it was false, but they repeatedly implied it. As I said, Bush even did so in this year's State of the Union speech. No Judy , you are reading between the lines, trying tell us the definition of what is is. Well, no, of course that would be what *you* are doing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/9/06 8:07:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nobody I know of in government ever said Saddam was involved in any aspect of 911. Correct. You do not know Bush, Cheney, Ruimsfeld, Rice, etc. On September the 11th, 2001, we found that problems originating in a failed and oppressive state 7,000 miles away could bring murder and destruction to our country. --George W. Bush, State of the Union, January 2006 That is a long way from saying Saddam was involved in 911. In fact it suggests the lack of freedom in countries run by tyrants in the middle east breeds terrorists. We have no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with 11 September attacks. Bush 2003. You can't get any cleared than that. Countered by hundreds of mentions of Saddam and 9/11 in the same breath. If the tabacco companies tried to get away with that by associating Koolness with youth with tabacco, they would be sued. Oh wait, they were and they lost. Bush, unfortunately, can't be sued for using advertising gimmicks in political speech. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
In a message dated 7/10/06 4:48:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Countered by hundreds of mentions of Saddam and 9/11 in the same breath. If the tabacco companies tried to get away with that by associating Koolness with youth with tabacco, they would be sued. So you feel *tricked*? Or you feel others were *tricked*? The real trick is, listen to what is said, not what you think he was really trying toimply and make you think. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/9/06 8:10:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nobody I know of in government ever said Saddam was involved in any aspect of 911. Oh, please. They were very careful not to say it *explicitly**explicitly*WBR--because they knew but they repeatedly implied it. As I said, Bush even did so in this year's State of the Union speech. No Judy , you are reading between the lines, trying tell us the definition of what is is. Actually, the Christian Science Monitor did a check on Bush's speeches leading up to the war. They found that he constantly was associating Saddam/Iraq with 9/11 using a proven advertising technique. The pattern was unmistakeable in their opinion and virtually everyone else's save a few rather stupid people. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/9/06 8:07:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: Nobody I know of in government ever said Saddam was involved in any aspect of 911. Correct. You do not know Bush, Cheney, Ruimsfeld, Rice, etc. On September the 11th, 2001, we found that problems originating in a failed and oppressive state 7,000 miles away could bring murder and destruction to our country. --George W. Bush, State of the Union, January 2006 That is a long way from saying Saddam was involved in 911. No, it's not very long at all. The failed and oppressive state 7,000 miles away immediately invokes Iraq, and that is what it's *intended* to do. In fact it suggests the lack of freedom in countries run by tyrants in the middle east breeds terrorists. We have no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with 11 September attacks. Bush 2003. You can't get any cleared than that. Right, you can't. But you can keep delivering innuendos like the one above in the hope of reinforcing the previously planted impressions. Countered by hundreds of mentions of Saddam and 9/11 in the same breath. If the tabacco companies tried to get away with that by associating Koolness with youth with tabacco, they would be sued. Oh wait, they were and they lost. Bush, unfortunately, can't be sued for using advertising gimmicks in political speech. In his prime-time press conference last week, which focused almost solely on Iraq, President Bush mentioned Sept. 11 eight times. He referred to Saddam Hussein many more times than that, often in the same breath with Sept. 11. Bush never pinned blame for the attacks directly on the Iraqi president. Still, the overall effect was to reinforce an impression that persists among much of the American public: that the Iraqi dictator did play a direct role in the attacks The White House appears to be encouraging this false impression, as it seeks to maintain American support for a possible war against Iraq. --Christian Science Monitor, March 14, 2003 A few examples among many: Bush speech, October 2002: We know that Iraq and the Al Qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy -- the United States of America. We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade. We've learned that Iraq has trained Al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases. And we know that after September the 11th, Saddam Hussein's regime gleefully celebrated the terrorist attacks on America. . . . Confronting the threat posed by Iraq is crucial to winning the war on terror. The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on Sept. 11, 2001. . . . The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We've removed an ally of Al Qaeda. . . . Our war against terror is proceeding according to the principles that I have made clear to all: Any person involved in committing or planning terrorist attacks against the American people becomes an enemy of this country and a target of American justice. Bush Mission Accomplished speech, May 1, 2003: The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror.We have not forgotten the victims of September the 11th -- the last phone calls, the cold murder of children, the searches in the rubble. With those attacks, the terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States. And war is what they got. If we're successful in Iraq.we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11. [NBC's Meet the Press, 9/14/03] Bush speech, September 11, 2003: We're going to a church service to remember the victims, pray for their families, victims of 9/11, 2001. Today, this afternoon, Laura and I are here to thank the brave souls who got wounded in the war on terror, people who are willing to sacrifice in order to make sure that attacks such as Sept. 11 don't happen again. Cheney on Meet the Press, September 14, 2003: If we're successful in Iraq, if we can stand up a good representative government in Iraq, that secures the region so that it never again becomes a threat to its neighbors or to the United States, so it's not pursuing weapons of mass destruction, so that it's not a safe haven for terrorists, now we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11 . . . So what we do on the ground in Iraq, our capabilities here are being tested in no small measure, but this is the place where we want to take on the terrorists. This is the place where we
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/10/06 4:48:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Countered by hundreds of mentions of Saddam and 9/11 in the same breath. If the tabacco companies tried to get away with that by associating Koolness with youth with tabacco, they would be sued. So you feel *tricked*? Or you feel others were *tricked*? The real trick is, listen to what is said, not what you think he was really trying to imply and make you think. That might be the real trick, but Bush and his cronies were clearly hoping people wouldn't know about it: In the first weeks after 9/11, fewer than 10 percent of Americans suggested to poll takers that Saddam was the source of the terrorist attacks. However, after the constant accusations and insinuations by the Bush administration, the number soared. A February 2003 poll found that 72 percent of Americans believed that Saddam was 'personally involved in the September 11 attacks.' A January 2003 poll found that almost half of Americans believed that one or more of the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi even though not a single hijacker hailed from that country. Seventy-three percent believed that Saddam 'is currently helping al-Qaeda.' http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0409c.asp To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/10/06 4:48:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Countered by hundreds of mentions of Saddam and 9/11 in the same breath. If the tabacco companies tried to get away with that by associating Koolness with youth with tabacco, they would be sued. So you feel *tricked*? Or you feel others were *tricked*? The real trick is, listen to what is said, not what you think he was really trying to imply and make you think. *I* don't feel tricked, but the advertising gimick has worked. You know it also. You just have an agenda to defend concerning the Bush Doctrine in Iraq. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/9/06 6:22:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many people think, especially in New York, who suffered most from the attacks, that there were many strange occurrances that morning of 9/11, and since 9/11, has become the all inclusive reason for any military action; I would assume that to question the authenticity of what happen really on 9/11 would undermine completely the Republican agenda, and reveal them to be quite evil. Yes, and *many* people believe that *the Jews*knew it was going to happen and there were none in the Towers. Supposedly they all took the day off. There are all kinds of BS ideas and conspiracy theories out there and they are meant to do one thing, demonize a political opponent for anybody that is stupid enough to fall for them and obviously there are. Yes, this was blamed on the Jews in the Arab press, from the beginning; So, it is common knowledge on the street, in any Arab countries, that the Jews, and Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks. There was no counter intelligence put in place or any reporting to refute these claims in the Arab press; so from 9/11 on it was common knowledge to the Arabs that the Jews were reponsible; Just like Hitler blamed the Jews for everything wrong. I even heard that since he was impotent- he blamed the Jews, because he felt there was some 'bad' Jewish blood in his past, and this made him impotent and seek sexual pleasure in strange and evil ways, that included the excitement of political power, and the power to murder,steal and all the rest, torture... Anyway, it's easy to point the finger at this one or that one; but as I was saying before; The military/industrial complex as Ike Eisenhower warned; Got too big for it's britches; And now basically runs everythiing. But, think of it, more as a money driven, capitalistic; Godless, enterprize, vieing for more control, more power, and more more more. bin Laden is on their side too, as he is of the same cut. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
In a message dated 7/10/06 5:27:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They found that he constantly was associating Saddam/Iraq with 9/11 using a proven advertising technique. The pattern was unmistakeable in their opinion and virtually everyone else's save a few rather stupid people. Kind of secret code talk? Subliminal messeges? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
In a message dated 7/10/06 6:21:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A few examples among many:Bush speech, October 2002:"We know that Iraq and the Al Qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy -- the United States of America. We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade."We've learned that Iraq has trained Al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases. And we know that after September the 11th, Saddam Hussein's regime gleefully celebrated the terrorist attacks on America. . . . Confronting the threat posed by Iraq is crucial to winning the war on terror.""The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on Sept. 11, 2001. . . . The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We've removed an ally of Al Qaeda. . . . Our war against terror is proceeding according to the principles that I have made clear to all: Any person involved in committing or planning terrorist attacks against the American people becomes an enemy of this country and a target of American justice."Bush "Mission Accomplished" speech, May 1, 2003:"The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror.We have not forgotten the victims of September the 11th -- the last phone calls, the cold murder of children, the searches in the rubble. With those attacks, the terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States. And war is what they got.""If we're successful in Iraq.we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11." [NBC's Meet the Press, 9/14/03]Bush speech, September 11, 2003:"We're going to a church service to remember the victims, pray for their families, victims of 9/11, 2001. Today, this afternoon, Laura and I are here to thank the brave souls who got wounded in the war on terror, people who are willing to sacrifice in order to make sure that attacks such as Sept. 11 don't happen again."Cheney on Meet the Press, September 14, 2003: "If we're successful in Iraq, if we can stand up a good representative government in Iraq, that secures the region so that it never again becomes a threat to its neighbors or to the United States, so it's not pursuing weapons of mass destruction, so that it's not a safe haven for terrorists, now we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11 . . . "So what we do on the ground in Iraq, our capabilities here are being tested in no small measure, but this is the place where we want to take on the terrorists. This is the place where we want to take on those elements that have come against the United States, and it's far more appropriate for us to do it there and far better for us to do it there than it is here at home."Bush speech, June 2005:"They are trying to shake our will in Iraq - just as they tried to shake our will on September 11, 2001. "The only way our enemies can succeed is if we forget the lessons of September 11 … if we abandon the Iraqi people to men like Zarqawi … and if we yield the future of the Middle East to men like Bin Laden." I have no problem with any of these statements. Obviously the issue is the overall War on terrorism of which Iraq is a part of. There is no accusation that Saddam was involved in the 911 attacks. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/10/06 6:21:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A few examples among many: Bush speech, October 2002: We know that Iraq and the Al Qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy -- the United States of America. We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade. We've learned that Iraq has trained Al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases. And we know that after September the 11th, Saddam Hussein's regime gleefully celebrated the terrorist attacks on America. . . . Confronting the threat posed by Iraq is crucial to winning the war on terror. The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on Sept. 11, 2001. . . . The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We've removed an ally of Al Qaeda. . . . Our war against terror is proceeding according to the principles that I have made clear to all: Any person involved in committing or planning terrorist attacks against the American people becomes an enemy of this country and a target of American justice. Bush Mission Accomplished speech, May 1, 2003: The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror.We have not forgotten the victims of September the 11th -- the last phone calls, the cold murder of children, the searches in the rubble. With those attacks, the terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States. And war is what they got. If we're successful in Iraq.we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11. [NBC's Meet the Press, 9/14/03] Bush speech, September 11, 2003: We're going to a church service to remember the victims, pray for their families, victims of 9/11, 2001. Today, this afternoon, Laura and I are here to thank the brave souls who got wounded in the war on terror, people who are willing to sacrifice in order to make sure that attacks such as Sept. 11 don't happen again. Cheney on Meet the Press, September 14, 2003: If we're successful in Iraq, if we can stand up a good representative government in Iraq, that secures the region so that it never again becomes a threat to its neighbors or to the United States, so it's not pursuing weapons of mass destruction, so that it's not a safe haven for terrorists, now we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11 . . . So what we do on the ground in Iraq, our capabilities here are being tested in no small measure, but this is the place where we want to take on the terrorists. This is the place where we want to take on those elements that have come against the United States, and it's far more appropriate for us to do it there and far better for us to do it there than it is here at home. Bush speech, June 2005: They are trying to shake our will in Iraq - just as they tried to shake our will on September 11, 2001. The only way our enemies can succeed is if we forget the lessons of September 11 ⦠if we abandon the Iraqi people to men like Zarqawi ⦠and if we yield the future of the Middle East to men like Bin Laden. I have no problem with any of these statements. Obviously the issue is the overall War on terrorism of which Iraq is a part of. There is no accusation that Saddam was involved in the 911 attacks. As I said, a well-known advertising technique. What is scary is that while it works to some extent, even if you're aware of it, it works even better if you can't grasp how its done. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
In a message dated 7/10/06 6:27:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So you feel *tricked*? Or you feel others were *tricked*? The real trick is, listen to what is said, not what you think he was really trying to imply and make you think.That might be "the real trick," but Bush and hiscronies were clearly hoping people wouldn't knowabout it:"In the first weeks after 9/11, fewer than 10 percent of Americans suggested to poll takers that Saddam was the source of the terrorist attacks. However, after the constant accusations and insinuations by the Bush administration, the number soared. "A February 2003 poll found that 72 percent of Americans believed that Saddam was 'personally involved in the September 11 attacks.' A January 2003 poll found that almost half of Americans believed that one or more of the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi — even though not a single hijacker hailed from that country. Seventy-three percent believed that Saddam 'is currently helping al-Qaeda.'"http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0409c.asp Judy, I'm curious as to who took the polls and what were the specific questions asked and to whom. Every body knows you can manipulate a poll to get any result you want. As to the last poll mentioned here, I can't blame anybody that think's Saddam is currently helping Al Qaeda with all the money that was stashed and looted before the invasion. Many people think that the resistance we see today is funded by that very cash and some of Saddam's cronies are using it to fund the insurgents and Al Qaeda in Iraq. Even Saddam was found in his hole with several hundred thousand dollars with which he was paying people to resist. A couple of tractor trailers rigs were loaded with millions of dollars and driven to Syria before the invasion where no doubt it is being used to fund resistance. It's Saddam's money. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/10/06 5:27:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They found that he constantly was associating Saddam/Iraq with 9/11 using a proven advertising technique. The pattern was unmistakeable in their opinion and virtually everyone else's save a few rather stupid people. Kind of secret code talk? Subliminal messeges? He already explained to you what the technique was. And I just posted several examples of it. Why are you asking about secret code talk and subliminal messages? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/10/06 6:27:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So you feel *tricked*? Or you feel others were *tricked*? The real trick is, listen to what is said, not what you think he was really trying to imply and make you think. That might be the real trick, but Bush and his cronies were clearly hoping people wouldn't know about it: In the first weeks after 9/11, fewer than 10 percent of Americans suggested to poll takers that Saddam was the source of the terrorist attacks. However, after the constant accusations and insinuations by the Bush administration, the number soared. A February 2003 poll found that 72 percent of Americans believed that Saddam was 'personally involved in the September 11 attacks.' A January 2003 poll found that almost half of Americans believed that one or more of the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi â even though not a single hijacker hailed from that country. Seventy-three percent believed that Saddam 'is currently helping al-Qaeda.' _http://www.fff.http://www.fhttp://www._ (http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0409c.asp) Judy, I'm curious as to who took the polls and what were the specific questions asked and to whom. One of the very early ones was a Wirthlin poll: Shortly after September 11, respondents were asked the open-ended question: 'Who do you think is more responsible [sic] for the recent terrorist attacks on the New York World Trade Center and the Pentagon?' Only 3% proposed Saddam Hussein or Iraq, while 57% named Osama bin Laden as the most likely suspect. All who answered were asked for a second choice; this time Iraq scored higher, but still only got 27% of responses (Wirthlin, September 15-17, 2001). http://tinyurl.com/h7yq6 Every body knows you can manipulate a poll to get any result you want. And why, exactly, would somebody have wanted to find only 3% suggesting Saddam was responsible for 9/11 less than a week after the attack? The February 2003 poll was taken by CNN and asked, Was Saddam Hussein personally involved in the September 11 attacks? The January 2003 poll was by Knight-Ridder. The currently helping al Qaeda question was in a CNN-TIME poll from February 2003. There isn't any reason for any of these polling organizations to try to twist the results. They were just a measure of what Americans thought. As to the last poll mentioned here, I can't blame anybody that think's Saddam is currently helping Al Qaeda with all the money that was stashed and looted before the invasion. Uh-huh. But this poll was taken before the invasion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/10/06 6:27:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So you feel *tricked*? Or you feel others were *tricked*? The real trick is, listen to what is said, not what you think he was really trying to imply and make you think. That might be the real trick, but Bush and his cronies were clearly hoping people wouldn't know about it: In the first weeks after 9/11, fewer than 10 percent of Americans suggested to poll takers that Saddam was the source of the terrorist attacks. However, after the constant accusations and insinuations by the Bush administration, the number soared. A February 2003 poll found that 72 percent of Americans believed that Saddam was 'personally involved in the September 11 attacks.' A January 2003 poll found that almost half of Americans believed that one or more of the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi â even though not a single hijacker hailed from that country. Seventy-three percent believed that Saddam 'is currently helping al-Qaeda.' _http://www.fff.http://www.fhttp://www._ (http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0409c.asp) Judy, I'm curious as to who took the polls and what were the specific questions asked and to whom. Here's a pretty comprehensive list of the polls on these topics, from cooperativeresearch.org: http://tinyurl.com/bq9l5 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I have no problem with any of these statements. Obviously the issue is the overall War on terrorism of which Iraq is a part of. There is no accusation that Saddam was involved in the 911 attacks. You can't possibly be as dumb as you sound here. The whole *point* is that they didn't make the accusation overtly; they planted the idea in people's minds by association. The statements were *designed* to make the suggestion without explicitly saying something they knew wasn't true. They were very carefully constructed so that dupes like you could exclaim, Oh, but he didn't actually *say*... But there's no question they were intended to mislead--there are too many of them along the same lines to have been accidental--and that they were successful in doing so. There's nothing else that could account for those poll numbers I reported. You claimed the idea that Saddam had been involved in 9/11 was widespread immediately after the attacks. It was not; it was *rare*. But in the space of a little over a year, it went up to 72 percent. There are quite a few polls asking similar questions around that time and later, and every last one shows a majority thinking Saddam was involved. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
In a message dated 7/10/06 11:52:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: have no problem with any of these statements. Obviously the issue is the overall War on terrorism of which Iraq is a part of. There is no accusation that Saddam was involved in the 911 attacks.You can't possibly be as dumb as you sound here.The whole *point* is that they didn't make theaccusation overtly; they planted the idea inpeople's minds by association. The statementswere *designed* to make the suggestion withoutexplicitly saying something they knew wasn't true.They were very carefully constructed so that dupeslike you could exclaim, "Oh, but he didn't actually*say*..."But there's no question they were intended to mislead--there are too many of them along thesame lines to have been accidental--and thatthey were successful in doing so. There'snothing else that could account for those pollnumbers I reported.You claimed the idea that Saddam had been involvedin 9/11 was widespread immediately after the attacks.It was not; it was *rare*. But in the space of alittle over a year, it went up to 72 percent. Thereare quite a few polls asking similar questionsaround that time and later, and every last one showsa majority thinking Saddam was involved. I've been checking out the various polls and have found them varyingwidely.Some as low as 22% most averaging just about 50% between 2003 and 2006. As one poll stated, a large number of people polled at one time thought a significant number of 911 hijackers were Iraqi, of course anybody that pays attention to the news, knows that none were. Do you have any evidence that the White House planted this? How many of the people that are polled and think Saddam was involved in 911 do you think even watch presidential speeches or read a news paper? Try looking at this poll.Few Americans Perceive Hussein-9/11 Link: Angus Reid Consultants. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
The charge against him was made by a Republican in the State Legislature. Madison has had a reputation for being an activist University, especially during the Viet Nam war. It became a battle ground between the University who was recieveing lot's of money from DOW chemical company, who was provided poisons like Agent Orange, and even what was used to burn people alive, napalm; Rioting and tear gas were used for weeks, and the town became a battle ground between the police and the students, and got quite violent with a building being bombed and someone being killed. These days, there is not the same intensity against the war we are presently involved in; probably because there is no one being drafted. (reinstate the draft, and I'm sure you would see the same intensity of protest). This lecturer was speaking on a public radio show. Many people think, especially in New York, who suffered most from the attacks, that there were many strange occurrances that morning of 9/11, and since 9/11, has become the all inclusive reason for any military action; I would assume that to question the authenticity of what happen really on 9/11 would undermine completely the Republican agenda, and reveal them to be quite evil. So, to talk about 9/11 being a coverup is not politically correct for sure, and in this kind of debate, I assume the republicans have to nip in the bud; for their own political survival babajii_99@ writes: Barrett's view, expressed on WTMJ-AM, that the government orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks. Barrettt teaches an introductory course on Islam. The UW is reviewing his past teaching performance. What a lunatic. The UW *should* be reviewing whether they want somebody so irresponsible teaching at their University. This guy could do harm to the University's image. One may have the right to free speech, but one does not have the right to be heard. No. One has a right to be heard, but one doens't always have a right to use a publicly funded forum to exercise one's rights. If it's a publicly funded forum, one *should* have the right to use it. *Privately* funded would be another story. Not if he's the one being paid to speak using public funds. He's paid to teach, not pontificateon his political beliefs. Usually universities don't care, but his speech may be so infamatory that they DO care. I doubt he was being paid by the state to speak on the radio, which is where he expressed the views in question. Ah, then legally they have less to go on then I first thought - -I thought he was mouthing off to his students in class. Unless they've got some kind of won't say things to embaress the University clause in his contract, he's probably got a good case against them.. They haven't done anything to him yet; they're just investigating his past teaching performance. Could be seen as harrassment, I think, if there's been no complaints by students. . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
In a message dated 7/9/06 6:22:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many people think, especially in New York, who suffered most from the attacks, that there were many strange occurrances that morning of 9/11, and since 9/11, has become the all inclusive reason for any military action;I would assume that to question the authenticity of what happen really on 9/11 would undermine completely the Republican agenda, and reveal them to be quite evil. Yes, and *many* people believe that *the Jews*knew it was going to happen and there were none in the Towers. Supposedly they all took the day off. There are all kinds of BS ideas and conspiracy theories out there and they are meant to do one thing, demonize a political opponent for anybody that is stupid enough to fall for them and obviously there are. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
In a recent zogby poll 42% of those questioned felt the the government and the 9/11 commission were covering up the true story. And that means? Only 45% felt that the 9/11 commissions findings were not a cover-up. It means that someone who's opinions are are supported by almost half the population doesn't deserve to be called a lunatic. I'm not saying he's right, but that his opinions do deserve respect. An opinion about a proposition, particularly by people not well versed in the evidence, doesn't make the proposition more likely. For example: i)over 50% of americans at the time of the invasion of iraq thought Saddam had something of substance to do with 9/11, or even orchestrated it himself; 2) take a poll on quantum mechanics basic findings, or any science, and 90% will beleive incorrect things; 3) watch Jay Leno's Jay Walk -- lots of people out there are quite ill-informed, illogical -- even dense. In my experience the people who doubt the commission finding have looked into the issue much more deeply than those who accept it a face value. I would say his views whether correct or not are certainly not lunatic or fringe. Why? Did you hear his reasoning and evidence? The fact that he is part of a growing movement of people that includes almost half of the public by definition means that he is not on the fringe and lessens the likelyhood that he is a lunatic. Steven Jones professor of physics at Brigham Young U. has done extensive studies of the destruction of the towers an makes an extremely convincing case for a precision demolition. Especially for tower seven which wasn't even hit by and airplane. He claim to have found traces of thermite on steel beams from the towers, pretty much a smoking gun for a professional demolition job. See: http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html And no other possible explanation for this? If it can be shown that the three towers were brough down by pre-postioned charges, It doesn't necessarily mean that the government was involved. I does make it highly unlikely that it was the result of a terrorist cell. There are only a handful of companies in the world that have the expertise to bring down down the three towers with the precision that they came down. Most people don't even know that a third tower collapsed. It doesn't get much attention because it didn't get hit by an airplane. All the more reason to suspect that the collapses were'nt cause by the plane impacts and subsequent fires. It would require a substancial committment of time to read the paper at the URL above. But if knowing the truth about what has happened is at all important to anyone they should make the time. It is not a conspiracy theory but a well reasoned challenge to the commission report. How many in his or related professions agree that his evidence is conclusive, or even credible? There is now an organization of scientists and engineers who question the commonly accepted story. They are professional who have a lot so loose by taking this view, so they don't do it lightly. There are also a number of high government officals who question this commonly accepted story, including former members of the Bush administration. If people prefer to accept the commission findings that's fine. It's their right. But if they want to look at the evidence with an open mind, that is also a persons right. The people who present that evidence should not be called lunatics and be removed from his job. Perhaps I am motivated to defend him, because I lost my job and career because I expressed some perfectly reasonable views at MUM. They just didn't happen to be views consistent with the commonly accepted paradigm there. Michael Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a recent zogby poll 42% of those questioned felt the the government and the 9/11 commission were covering up the true story. And that means? Only 45% felt that the 9/11 commissions findings were not a cover-up. It means that someone who's opinions are are supported by almost half the population doesn't deserve to be called a lunatic. I'm not saying he's right, but that his opinions do deserve respect. So does that imply that since only 45% or so of people felt Saddam was not connnected to 9/11 deservere respect? Personally, I feel they do not. They are ignorant and uniformed. An opinion about a proposition, particularly by people not well versed in the evidence, doesn't make the proposition more likely. For example: i)over 50% of americans at the time of the invasion of iraq thought Saddam had something of substance to do with 9/11, or even orchestrated it himself; 2) take a poll on quantum mechanics basic findings, or any science, and 90% will beleive incorrect things; 3) watch Jay Leno's Jay Walk -- lots of people out there are quite ill-informed, illogical -- even dense. In my experience the people who doubt the commission finding have looked into the issue much more deeply than those who accept it a face value. All 55%? Did these 55% look more closely into the commission findings than the 55% who felt Saddam was connected to 9/11 looked into that issue? Or, is the former simply a more cdomfortable feeling for you? I would say his views whether correct or not are certainly not lunatic or fringe. Why? Did you hear his reasoning and evidence? The fact that he is part of a growing movement of people that includes almost half of the public by definition means that he is not on the fringe and lessens the likelyhood that he is a lunatic. And, by avoiding the question, it implies that you did not hear his reasoning and evidence. Your statement above imples that no one in the 55% could b e ill-informed, have poor reasoning, or even be a lunatic. Do you feel the same way about those that felt Saddam was connected to or orchestrated 9/11? If not, why? Steven Jones professor of physics at Brigham Young U. has done extensive studies of the destruction of the towers an makes an extremely convincing case for a precision demolition. Especially for tower seven which wasn't even hit by and airplane. He claim to have found traces of thermite on steel beams from the towers, pretty much a smoking gun for a professional demolition job. See: http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html And no other possible explanation for this? If it can be shown that the three towers were brough down by pre-postioned charges, It doesn't necessarily mean that the government was involved. And one scientist's conclusions make it so? John Haglin will be thrilled to hear of this. If Jones' research has great merit, why have other scienists not jumped on his band-wagon? Why has the press not jumped on this story of the the last 100 years (It certainly swamps watergate, Monica, Iran-Contra, Jack Abramoff etc in significance. If you counter that the press are part of the conspiracy and/or owned by the corporations behind this (or other such conspiratorial drivel, IMO), then please provide support for such. I does make it highly unlikely that it was the result of a terrorist cell. There are only a handful of companies in the world that have the expertise to bring down down the three towers with the precision that they came down. Most people don't even know that a third tower collapsed. It doesn't get much attention because it didn't get hit by an airplane. If you a are saying that 'people are not aware the third tower collapsed and thus all the more reason to suspect that the collapses were'nt cause by the plane impacts and subsequent fires' then you get the non-sequitur award of the year. Did you mean something different? It would require a substancial committment of time to read the paper at the URL above. But if knowing the truth about what has happened is at all important to anyone they should make the time. Why would one reel reading the URL reveal the truth? What distinguishes this URL from any number of conspiratorial web sites with faulty facts and reasoning -- and which the press has ignored b because having looked at it, found it bogus. It is not a conspiracy theory but a well reasoned challenge to the commission report. And if so well reasoned, why have other scienists not jumped on his band-wagon? Why has the press not jumped on this story? How many in his or related professions agree that his evidence is conclusive, or even credible? There is now an organization of scientists and engineers who question the commonly accepted story. They are professional who have a lot so loose by
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Murphy dawnhawk@ wrote: In a recent zogby poll 42% of those questioned felt the the government and the 9/11 commission were covering up the true story. And that means? Only 45% felt that the 9/11 commissions findings were not a cover-up. It means that someone who's opinions are are supported by almost half the population doesn't deserve to be called a lunatic. I'm not saying he's right, but that his opinions do deserve respect. So does that imply that since only 45% or so of people felt Saddam was not connnected to 9/11 deservere respect? Personally, I feel they do not. They are ignorant and uniformed. This is kind of a backward analogy. The people who wrongly believed Saddam was behind 9/11 did so because that's the story the administration was pushing; they believed what they were told by those in authority. Those who think the 9/11 commission report was bogus do *not* believe what they've been told by those in authority. That per se doesn't mean the latter are right, but there's a very different dynamic at work that you need to take into account. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Murphy dawnhawk@ wrote: In a recent zogby poll 42% of those questioned felt the the government and the 9/11 commission were covering up the true story. And that means? Only 45% felt that the 9/11 commissions findings were not a cover-up. It means that someone who's opinions are are supported by almost half the population doesn't deserve to be called a lunatic. I'm not saying he's right, but that his opinions do deserve respect. So does that imply that since only 45% or so of people felt Saddam was not connnected to 9/11 deservere respect? Personally, I feel they do not. They are ignorant and uniformed. This is kind of a backward analogy. The people who wrongly believed Saddam was behind 9/11 did so because that's the story the administration was pushing; they believed what they were told by those in authority. Those who think the 9/11 commission report was bogus do *not* believe what they've been told by those in authority. That per se doesn't mean the latter are right, but there's a very different dynamic at work that you need to take into account. It is a different dynamic, but there are many different dynamics of misinformation and manipulation in the world. Perhaps taking each into account is necessary, perhaps not. I will ponder that. But what occurs to me is the analogy of disease. There are many different types of bacteria and viruses out there, with quite different dynamics. if a person's immune system is strong, it disallows most or all from gaining a foothold in the body. Regardless of the source or dynamic of the bacteria/virus. The analogy is to the mind. Being well-informed, rational, able to wade through logically fallacies and cognitive errors is like the immune system of the mind -- disallowing weak, false, manipulative and unfounded ideas from gaining foothold. Applying this analogy would indicate that the real issue and problem is not a huge diversity of manipulative, misinformative, logically inconsistent, and highly-spun infotainment attacking us daily (though it is a nusance and is reflective of a low and coarse culture), but that a large number of folks have weak mental immune systems and have a hard time fighting off such misinformation and spin. They have trouble sorting through the onslaught of crap whether it is administration spin/misinformation that Saddam was involved in 9/11 or conspiratoral spin/misinformation spread by loons, biased-agendees, or conspiratoral addicts (blows against the empire mentality). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
In a message dated 7/9/06 12:00:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is kind of a backward analogy. The people whowrongly believed Saddam was behind 9/11 did so becausethat's the story the administration was pushing; theybelieved what they were told by those in authority. Wrong Judy, those that thought Saddam was some how responsible for the 911 attacks thought that within minutes and hours of the attack, a hunch so to speak, not by some consorted effort to make people think that. The administration didn't have to plant this in anybody's mind, it was there almost instantly. What were your thoughts the moment you saw planes hit the towers and realized it wasn't an accident? Many people immediately thought of Saddam because his name was much more recognizable than OBL at the time. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip This is kind of a backward analogy. The people who wrongly believed Saddam was behind 9/11 did so because that's the story the administration was pushing; they believed what they were told by those in authority. Those who think the 9/11 commission report was bogus do *not* believe what they've been told by those in authority. That per se doesn't mean the latter are right, but there's a very different dynamic at work that you need to take into account. It is a different dynamic, but there are many different dynamics of misinformation and manipulation in the world. Perhaps taking each into account is necessary, perhaps not. I will ponder that. But what occurs to me is the analogy of disease. There are many different types of bacteria and viruses out there, with quite different dynamics. if a person's immune system is strong, it disallows most or all from gaining a foothold in the body. Regardless of the source or dynamic of the bacteria/virus. The analogy is to the mind. Being well-informed, rational, able to wade through logically fallacies and cognitive errors is like the immune system of the mind -- disallowing weak, false, manipulative and unfounded ideas from gaining foothold. Applying this analogy would indicate that the real issue and problem is not a huge diversity of manipulative, misinformative, logically inconsistent, and highly-spun infotainment attacking us daily (though it is a nusance and is reflective of a low and coarse culture), but that a large number of folks have weak mental immune systems and have a hard time fighting off such misinformation and spin. They have trouble sorting through the onslaught of crap whether it is administration spin/misinformation that Saddam was involved in 9/11 or conspiratoral spin/misinformation spread by loons, biased-agendees, or conspiratoral addicts (blows against the empire mentality). Yes, there's a lack of critical thinking generally. But my point is that the tendency of noncritical thinkers is to go along with what the authorities tell them. I think it's fair to say that those who reject the administration story have done more critical thinking than those who have accepted it without question. They may need to think *more* critically to see the numerous glaring flaws in some of the conspiracy theories, but you really can't tar them with the same brush as the folks who uncritically believed Saddam was involved in 9/11. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/9/06 12:00:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is kind of a backward analogy. The people who wrongly believed Saddam was behind 9/11 did so because that's the story the administration was pushing; they believed what they were told by those in authority. Wrong Judy, those that thought Saddam was some how responsible for the 911 attacks thought that within minutes and hours of the attack, a hunch so to speak, not by some consorted effort to make people think that. The administration didn't have to plant this in anybody's mind, it was there almost instantly. What were your thoughts the moment you saw planes hit the towers and realized it wasn't an accident? Many people immediately thought of Saddam because his name was much more recognizable than OBL at the time. That Saddam dunnit never occurred to me, actually. But to say that people believed Saddam did it without concerted effort by the administration is sophistry. It may have applied in the first few days after the attack, but the administration leaped at the opportunity and pushed the idea for months and years. Bush even revived it in his 2006 State of the Union speech, despite having previously been forced to admit publicly that it wasn't the case. It may have been the first thought in many people's minds, but it was *relentlessly* reinforced by the administration long after it had become clear there was zero evidence for it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/9/06 12:00:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is kind of a backward analogy. The people who wrongly believed Saddam was behind 9/11 did so because that's the story the administration was pushing; they believed what they were told by those in authority. Wrong Judy, those that thought Saddam was some how responsible for the 911 attacks thought that within minutes and hours of the attack, a hunch so to speak, not by some consorted effort to make people think that. The administration didn't have to plant this in anybody's mind, it was there almost instantly. What were your thoughts the moment you saw planes hit the towers and realized it wasn't an accident? Many people immediately thought of Saddam because his name was much more recognizable than OBL at the time. However, Bush himself says he thought OBL might be the culprit. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/9/06 6:22:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many people think, especially in New York, who suffered most from the attacks, that there were many strange occurrances that morning of 9/11, and since 9/11, has become the all inclusive reason for any military action; I would assume that to question the authenticity of what happen really on 9/11 would undermine completely the Republican agenda, and reveal them to be quite evil. Yes, and *many* people believe that *the Jews*knew it was going to happen and there were none in the Towers. Supposedly they all took the day off. There are all kinds of BS ideas and conspiracy theories out there and they are meant to do one thing, demonize a political opponent for anybody that is stupid enough to fall for them and obviously there are. However, there IS evidence that the Israeli government knew the where and when of 9/11... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Murphy dawnhawk@ wrote: In a recent zogby poll 42% of those questioned felt the the government and the 9/11 commission were covering up the true story. And that means? Only 45% felt that the 9/11 commissions findings were not a cover-up. It means that someone who's opinions are are supported by almost half the population doesn't deserve to be called a lunatic. I'm not saying he's right, but that his opinions do deserve respect. So does that imply that since only 45% or so of people felt Saddam was not connnected to 9/11 deservere respect? Personally, I feel they do not. They are ignorant and uniformed. This is kind of a backward analogy. The people who wrongly believed Saddam was behind 9/11 did so because that's the story the administration was pushing; they believed what they were told by those in authority. Those who think the 9/11 commission report was bogus do *not* believe what they've been told by those in authority. That per se doesn't mean the latter are right, but there's a very different dynamic at work that you need to take into account. Moe to the point, they believe IN SPITE OF the story the administration is pushing... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a recent zogby poll 42% of those questioned felt the the government and the 9/11 commission were covering up the true story. And that means? Only 45% felt that the 9/11 commissions findings were not a cover-up. Actually 48 %. With 10% undecided. http://www.911truth.org/images/911TruthZogbyPollFinalReport.htm Other things if interst in the poll. Some people believe that the US government and its 9/11 Commission concealed or refused to investigate critical evidence that contradicts their official explanation of the September 11th attacks, saying there has been a cover-up. Others say that the 9/11 Commission was a bi-partisan group of honest and well-respected people and that there is no reason they would want to cover-up anything. Who are you more likely to agree with? US government and 9/11 Commission are NOT covering up 48% US government and 9/11 Commission are covering up 42 Not sure 10 Both men and women and residents in each of the four regions are more likely to say the U.S. government and 9/11 Commission are not covering up anything. Majorities who agree include Republicans (64%), 50-64 year-olds, married adults, suburbanites (59%), Protestants, those with at least some college education, and people with annual household income of $50,000 or more (57%). Majorities (50%-56%) of Democrats, 18-29 year-olds, Hispanics, single adults and those who are divorced/widowed/separated, residents of small cities, and adults with less education than a high school diploma believe the government and 9/11 Commission are covering up something. Nearly half of independent voters (48%) agree. *** So the the young (tending to be more naive) the uneducated and those living in small towns were strong attributes of those believing the governement was covering something up. 23. Some people have said that the Bush Administration exploited the September 11th attacks to justify the invasion of Iraq. Others say that Bush acted correctly by going into Iraq because Saddam Hussein supported terrorism. Who are you more likely to agree with? Bush exploited Sept. 11th attacks 44% Bush justified an attack on Iraq 44 Neither/Not sure 11 People are completely divided on whether they believe President Bush exploited the 9/11 attacks (44%) or justified an attack on Iraq (44%). Approximately one in ten (11%) is not sure. The largest majorities who feel that Bush exploited Sept. 11th attacks are Democrats (69%), Hispanics (59%), and Jews (64%). Close to half or more of 18-29 year-olds, single adults, African Americans, and residents of the Central/Great Lakes, West, and large cities agree. The largest majorities who feel that Bush justified an attack on Iraq are Republicans (72%) and residents of rural areas (59%). Approximately half of whites, 30-64 year-olds, Protestants, suburbanites, and married adults agree. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, there IS evidence that the Israeli government knew the where and when of 9/11... / Cites? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
In a message dated 7/9/06 12:53:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many people immediately thought of Saddam because his name was much more recognizable than OBL at the time.However, Bush himself says he thought OBL might be the culprit. Bush was more aware of OBL than may people were at that time, OBL was not a house hold name then, Saddam was and had a reputation of causing trouble since '91, actually before. The administration had every right to look into the possibility of any links between Saddam and OBL for the simple reason Saddam had openly bragged in the media only a couple years earlier that he gave large sums of money to the families of suicide bombers. There had been stories of a cartoon in an Iraqi newspaper showing jet planes flying into the World Trade center towers and a story that Czech intelligence had information that Mohamed Atta had met with Iraqi intelligence.Ruling out Saddam's involvement in 911 couldn't be done instantly or in a matter of days or months. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/8/06 11:56:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, babajii_99@ writes: Barrett's view, expressed on WTMJ-AM, that the government orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks. Barrettt teaches an introductory course on Islam. The UW is reviewing his past teaching performance. Does this mean that you think the government didn't orchestrate the 9/11 destruction? In a recent zogby poll 42% of those questioned felt the government and the 9/11 commission were covering up the true story. I would say his views whether correct or not are certainly not lunatic or fringe. In reading the poll questions, adjacent post, its clear that there is a huge chasm between the poll and the Madison guy. Its two quite separate questions but, IMO, blurred by conspiratorialist mind-sets or just weak thinkers. Q1) -- based on lecturer's POV: Do you beleive that the government orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks? Q2) --per zogbey Some people believe that the US government and its 9/11 Commission concealed or refused to investigate critical evidence that contradicts their official explanation of the September 11th attacks, saying there has been a cover-up. Others say that the 9/11 Commission was a bi-partisan group of honest and well-respected people and that there is no reason they would want to cover-up anything. Who are you more likely to agree with? For Q2) I probably would have answered the former It doesn't ask, do you beleive the goernement covered up. It asks Who are you more likely to agree with?. Thats quite different. One can tend to think one side sounds more correct, but not have a particularly strong or informed opinion. But even if asked, do you agree that the US government and its 9/11 Commission concealed or refused to investigate critical evidence that contradicts their official explanation of the September 11th attacks, I probably would have said yes. The Four Wives among others raised a lot of compelling points. I think the commission was partly driven and distorted by politicaal pressures on both sides of the aisle. It was not a pure, rational, objective, truth seeking endavor. THAT IS A TOTALLY DISTINCT POSITION FROM saying that I beleive that the government orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks. To equate the two positions is lunacy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Murphy dawnhawk@ wrote: In a recent zogby poll 42% of those questioned felt the the government and the 9/11 commission were covering up the true story. And that means? Only 45% felt that the 9/11 commissions findings were not a cover-up. It means that someone who's opinions are are supported by almost half the population doesn't deserve to be called a lunatic. I'm not saying he's right, but that his opinions do deserve respect. So does that imply that since only 45% or so of people felt Saddam was not connnected to 9/11 deservere respect? Personally, I feel they do not. They are ignorant and uniformed. An opinion about a proposition, particularly by people not well versed in the evidence, doesn't make the proposition more likely. For example: i)over 50% of americans at the time of the invasion of iraq thought Saddam had something of substance to do with 9/11, or even orchestrated it himself; 2) take a poll on quantum mechanics basic findings, or any science, and 90% will beleive incorrect things; 3) watch Jay Leno's Jay Walk -- lots of people out there are quite ill-informed, illogical -- even dense. In my experience the people who doubt the commission finding have looked into the issue much more deeply than those who accept it a face value. All 55%? Did these 55% look more closely into the commission findings than the 55% who felt Saddam was connected to 9/11 looked into that issue? Or, is the former simply a more cdomfortable feeling for you? I would say his views whether correct or not are certainly not lunatic or fringe. Why? Did you hear his reasoning and evidence? The fact that he is part of a growing movement of people that includes almost half of the public by definition means that he is not on the fringe and lessens the likelyhood that he is a lunatic. And, by avoiding the question, it implies that you did not hear his reasoning and evidence. Your statement above imples that no one in the 55% could b e ill-informed, have poor reasoning, or even be a lunatic. Do you feel the same way about those that felt Saddam was connected to or orchestrated 9/11? If not, why? Steven Jones professor of physics at Brigham Young U. has done extensive studies of the destruction of the towers an makes an extremely convincing case for a precision demolition. Especially for tower seven which wasn't even hit by and airplane. He claim to have found traces of thermite on steel beams from the towers, pretty much a smoking gun for a professional demolition job. See: http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html And no other possible explanation for this? If it can be shown that the three towers were brough down by pre-postioned charges, It doesn't necessarily mean that the government was involved. And one scientist's conclusions make it so? John Haglin will be thrilled to hear of this. If Jones' research has great merit, why have other scienists not jumped on his band-wagon? Why has the press not jumped on this story of the the last 100 years (It certainly swamps watergate, Monica, Iran-Contra, Jack Abramoff etc in significance. If you counter that the press are part of the conspiracy and/or owned by the corporations behind this (or other such conspiratorial drivel, IMO), then please provide support for such. I does make it highly unlikely that it was the result of a terrorist cell. There are only a handful of companies in the world that have the expertise to bring down down the three towers with the precision that they came down. Most people don't even know that a third tower collapsed. It doesn't get much attention because it didn't get hit by an airplane. If you a are saying that 'people are not aware the third tower collapsed and thus all the more reason to suspect that the collapses were'nt cause by the plane impacts and subsequent fires' then you get the non-sequitur award of the year. Did you mean something different? It would require a substancial committment of time to read the paper at the URL above. But if knowing the truth about what has happened is at all important to anyone they should make the time. Why would one reel reading the URL reveal the truth? What distinguishes this URL from any number of conspiratorial web sites with faulty facts and reasoning -- and which the press has ignored b because having looked at it, found it bogus. It is not a conspiracy theory but a well reasoned challenge to the commission report. And if so well reasoned, why have other scienists not jumped on his band-wagon? Why has the press not jumped on this story? How many in his or related professions agree that his evidence is
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/9/06 12:53:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many people immediately thought of Saddam because his name was much more recognizable than OBL at the time. However, Bush himself says he thought OBL might be the culprit. Bush was more aware of OBL than may people were at that time, OBL was not a house hold name then, Saddam was and had a reputation of causing trouble since '91, actually before. The administration had every right to look into the possibility of any links between Saddam and OBL for the simple reason Saddam had openly bragged in the media only a couple years earlier that he gave large sums of money to the families of suicide bombers. There had been stories of a cartoon in an Iraqi newspaper showing jet planes flying into the World Trade center towers and a story that Czech intelligence had information that Mohamed Atta had met with Iraqi intelligence. Ruling out Saddam's involvement in 911 couldn't be done instantly or in a matter of days or months. INvolvement, perhaps. Directing? Not hardly likely. In fact, given that the US government already knew of plans by Al Qaeda to attack Bush by using hijacked airplanes as weapons and had warned the Italian government of the possibility during Bush's visit only a month or so earlier, to NOT make the Al Qaeda connection immediately would have been ludicrous. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: However, there IS evidence that the Israeli government knew the where and when of 9/11... / Cites? http://www.antiwar.com/israeli-files.php To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: However, there IS evidence that the Israeli government knew the where and when of 9/11... / Cites? I have seen many theory's on the subject of Isreali involvement. Check any of the 9/11 sites and you'll soon find a link to one... The thing is: Most people in the Arab world, think the Isreali's were completely behind it; they see Isreal and the U.S. as basically the same entity. What's his name in Iran, is attempting to seperate the distinction between the two countries; so he has taken the approach of divide and conquer: The Arab hates the Jew, worse than he hate's anything else; This goes back to the beginning of the Bible. They have been fighting over that land since before baby Jesus. So, get a grip... I am Jewish, so I don't like to think that the Isreali's were involved. But I am also a seeker of the 'Truth' Isreal was created as a result of the events of europe during the holocaust; When even the good 'ol USA, refused to take in refuge Jewish people, from Europe; so...they were slaughtered,, as we all so well know. There were people in the U.S. at the time, of the early Hitler days, that actually supported him and his philosophy's. Among those were Joe Kennedy, Prescott Bush, and Henry Ford. So, there ya go... There is definetly evil in this world; And if left to run amuck, can cause untold suffering; And show the face of the human race, to be quite ugly... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I declare you the winner. I am signing off of this thread. Michael Its odd that you view this as a contest. I view it as a search for substance. Part of that process is examining and exposing loose statements (factual errors, logical fallacies, cognitive errors, etc) to see if there is indeed substance beneath or in spite of such. Since you have no reasoned response to my queries, I assume there was no substance there. In that case, we all lose. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: However, there IS evidence that the Israeli government knew the where and when of 9/11... / Cites? I have seen many theory's on the subject of Isreali involvement. Check any of the 9/11 sites and you'll soon find a link to one... The thing is: Most people in the Arab world, think the Isreali's were completely behind it; they see Isreal and the U.S. as basically the same entity. What's his name in Iran, is attempting to seperate the distinction between the two countries; so he has taken the approach of divide and conquer: The Arab hates the Jew, worse than he hate's anything else; This goes back to the beginning of the Bible. They have been fighting over that land since before baby Jesus. So, get a grip... I need to ge a grip because I asked for cites for an assertion? My how do you possible walk with a chip that big on your shoulder. I am Jewish, so I don't like to think that the Isreali's were involved. But I am also a seeker of the 'Truth' Isreal was created as a result of the events of europe during the holocaust; When even the good 'ol USA, refused to take in refuge Jewish people, from Europe; so...they were slaughtered,, as we all so well know. There were people in the U.S. at the time, of the early Hitler days, that actually supported him and his philosophy's. Among those were Joe Kennedy, Prescott Bush, and Henry Ford. So, there ya go... Gosh, such are revelation. There is definetly evil in this world; And if left to run amuck, can cause untold suffering; And show the face of the human race, to be quite ugly... And I unleashed all this because I asked for a cite? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
However, there IS evidence that the Israeli government knew the where and when of 9/11... / Cites? Please forgive me; I did not mean anything against you for asking for Cites; Rather I was continuing to use this topic to sort of think aloud and use this writing as a release of things I've been thinking about; So, please don't take anything I wrote to be a personal attack on you, or anything like that. Actually I used your post, because it was short and concise, and was a good place for me to start my writing/unstressing.. I have seen many theory's on the subject of Isreali involvement. Check any of the 9/11 sites and you'll soon find a link to one... The thing is: Most people in the Arab world, think the Isreali's were completely behind it; they see Isreal and the U.S. as basically the same entity. What's his name in Iran, is attempting to seperate the distinction between the two countries; so he has taken the approach of divide and conquer: The Arab hates the Jew, worse than he hate's anything else; This goes back to the beginning of the Bible. They have been fighting over that land since before baby Jesus. So, get a grip... I need to ge a grip because I asked for cites for an assertion? My how do you possible walk with a chip that big on your shoulder. I am Jewish, so I don't like to think that the Isreali's were involved. But I am also a seeker of the 'Truth' Isreal was created as a result of the events of europe during the holocaust; When even the good 'ol USA, refused to take in refuge Jewish people, from Europe; so...they were slaughtered,, as we all so well know. There were people in the U.S. at the time, of the early Hitler days, that actually supported him and his philosophy's. Among those were Joe Kennedy, Prescott Bush, and Henry Ford. So, there ya go... Gosh, such are revelation. There is definetly evil in this world; And if left to run amuck, can cause untold suffering; And show the face of the human race, to be quite ugly... And I unleashed all this because I asked for a cite? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
In a message dated 7/9/06 4:37:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: INvolvement, perhaps. Directing? Not hardly likely. In fact, given that the US government already knew of plans by Al Qaeda to attack Bush by using hijacked airplanes as weapons and had warned the Italian government of the possibility during Bush's visit only a month or so earlier, to NOT make the Al Qaeda connection immediately would have been ludicrous. Nobody I know of in government ever said Saddam was involved in any aspect of 911. But then again I don't think anybody would have been surprised had his fingers been involved in some way aiding Al Qaeda. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/9/06 4:37:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: INvolvement, perhaps. Directing? Not hardly likely. In fact, given that the US government already knew of plans by Al Qaeda to attack Bush by using hijacked airplanes as weapons and had warned the Italian government of the possibility during Bush's visit only a month or so earlier, to NOT make the Al Qaeda connection immediately would have been ludicrous. Nobody I know of in government ever said Saddam was involved in any aspect of 911. Correct. You do not know Bush, Cheney, Ruimsfeld, Rice, etc. But then again I don't think anybody would have been surprised had his fingers been involved in some way aiding Al Qaeda. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: snip Nobody I know of in government ever said Saddam was involved in any aspect of 911. Correct. You do not know Bush, Cheney, Ruimsfeld, Rice, etc. On September the 11th, 2001, we found that problems originating in a failed and oppressive state 7,000 miles away could bring murder and destruction to our country. --George W. Bush, State of the Union, January 2006 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/9/06 4:37:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: INvolvement, perhaps. Directing? Not hardly likely. In fact, given that the US government already knew of plans by Al Qaeda to attack Bush by using hijacked airplanes as weapons and had warned the Italian government of the possibility during Bush's visit only a month or so earlier, to NOT make the Al Qaeda connection immediately would have been ludicrous. Nobody I know of in government ever said Saddam was involved in any aspect of 911. Oh, please. They were very careful not to say it *explicitly*--because they knew it wasn't true-- but they repeatedly implied it. As I said, Bush even did so in this year's State of the Union speech. But then again I don't think anybody would have been surprised had his fingers been involved in some way aiding Al Qaeda. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
Hey Pete, Ready for some violence and mayhem tonight? Here is the UFC fight card: Andrei Arlovski vs Tim Sylvia: Ken Shamrock vs Tito Ortiz: Frank Mir vs Dan Christensen: Josh Burkman vs Josh Neer: Yves Edwards vs Joe Stevenson: Anthony Perosh vs Jeff Monson: Kurt Pellegrino vs Drew Fickett: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only in Mad City! --- Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thrus. June 29th. Madison, WI. Rep.Steve Nass(R.Whitewater) calls for the immediate dismissal of UW-Madison lecturer Kevin Barrett, because of Barrett's view, expressed on WTMJ-AM, that the government orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks. Barrettt teaches an introductory course on Islam. The UW is reviewing his past teaching performance. Robert Gimbel, Reporting, Madison, WI. - Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/8/06 11:56:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Barrett's view, expressed on WTMJ-AM, that the government orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks. Barrettt teaches an introductory course on Islam. The UW is reviewing his past teaching performance. What a lunatic. The UW *should* be reviewing whether they want somebody so irresponsible teaching at their University. This guy could do harm to the University's image. One may have the right to free speech, but one does not have the right to be heard. No. One has a right to be heard, but one doens't always have a right to use a publicly funded forum to exercise one's rights. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/8/06 11:56:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, babajii_99@ writes: Barrett's view, expressed on WTMJ-AM, that the government orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks. Barrettt teaches an introductory course on Islam. The UW is reviewing his past teaching performance. What a lunatic. The UW *should* be reviewing whether they want somebody so irresponsible teaching at their University. This guy could do harm to the University's image. One may have the right to free speech, but one does not have the right to be heard. No. One has a right to be heard, but one doens't always have a right to use a publicly funded forum to exercise one's rights. If it's a publicly funded forum, one *should* have the right to use it. *Privately* funded would be another story. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/8/06 11:56:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, babajii_99@ writes: Barrett's view, expressed on WTMJ-AM, that the government orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks. Barrettt teaches an introductory course on Islam. The UW is reviewing his past teaching performance. What a lunatic. The UW *should* be reviewing whether they want somebody so irresponsible teaching at their University. This guy could do harm to the University's image. One may have the right to free speech, but one does not have the right to be heard. No. One has a right to be heard, but one doens't always have a right to use a publicly funded forum to exercise one's rights. If it's a publicly funded forum, one *should* have the right to use it. *Privately* funded would be another story. Not if he's the one being paid to speak using public funds. He's paid to teach, not pontificateon his political beliefs. Usually universities don't care, but his speech may be so infamatory that they DO care. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
In a message dated 7/8/06 3:21:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If it's a publicly funded forum, one *should* have theright to use it. *Privately* funded would be anotherstory. Agreed. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
In a message dated 7/8/06 3:18:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No. One has a right to be heard, but one doens't always have a right to use a publicly funded forum to exercise one's rights. Wrong , no one has a right to be heard period. I don't have to listen to you if I don't want to nor do I have to give you a public forum for you to say anything I disagree with or don't believe, with few exceptions. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/8/06 11:56:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, babajii_99@ writes: Barrett's view, expressed on WTMJ-AM, that the government orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks. Barrettt teaches an introductory course on Islam. The UW is reviewing his past teaching performance. What a lunatic. The UW *should* be reviewing whether they want somebody so irresponsible teaching at their University. This guy could do harm to the University's image. One may have the right to free speech, but one does not have the right to be heard. No. One has a right to be heard, but one doens't always have a right to use a publicly funded forum to exercise one's rights. If it's a publicly funded forum, one *should* have the right to use it. *Privately* funded would be another story. Not if he's the one being paid to speak using public funds. He's paid to teach, not pontificateon his political beliefs. Usually universities don't care, but his speech may be so infamatory that they DO care. I doubt he was being paid by the state to speak on the radio, which is where he expressed the views in question. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/8/06 11:56:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Barrett's view, expressed on WTMJ-AM, that the government orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks. Barrettt teaches an introductory course on Islam. The UW is reviewing his past teaching performance. What a lunatic. The UW *should* be reviewing whether they want somebody so irresponsible teaching at their University. This guy could do harm to the University's image. One may have the right to free speech, but one does not have the right to be heard. Does this mean that you think the government didn't orchestrate the 9/11 destruction? In a recent zogby poll 42% of those questioned felt the the government and the 9/11 commission were covering up the true story. I would say his views whether correct or not are certainly not lunatic or fringe. Steven Jones professor of physics at Brigham Young U. has done extensive studies of the destruction of the towers an makes an extremely convincing case for a precision demolition. Especially for tower seven which wasn't even hit by and airplane. He claim to have found traces of thermite on steel beams from the towers, pretty much a smoking gun for a professional demolition job. See: http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html Michael To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/8/06 11:56:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, babajii_99@ writes: Barrett's view, expressed on WTMJ-AM, that the government orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks. Barrettt teaches an introductory course on Islam. The UW is reviewing his past teaching performance. What a lunatic. The UW *should* be reviewing whether they want somebody so irresponsible teaching at their University. This guy could do harm to the University's image. One may have the right to free speech, but one does not have the right to be heard. Does this mean that you think the government didn't orchestrate the 9/11 destruction? In a recent zogby poll 42% of those questioned felt the the government and the 9/11 commission were covering up the true story. And that means? An opinion about a proposition, particularly by people not well versed in the evidence, doesn't make the proposition more likely. For example: i)over 50% of americans at the time of the invasion of iraq thought Saddam had something of substance to do with 9/11, or even orchestrated it himself; 2) take a poll on quantum mechanics basic findings, or any science, and 90% will beleive incorrect things; 3) watch Jay Leno's Jay Walk -- lots of people out there are quite ill-informed, illogical -- even dense. I would say his views whether correct or not are certainly not lunatic or fringe. Why? Did you hear his reasoning and evidence? Steven Jones professor of physics at Brigham Young U. has done extensive studies of the destruction of the towers an makes an extremely convincing case for a precision demolition. Especially for tower seven which wasn't even hit by and airplane. He claim to have found traces of thermite on steel beams from the towers, pretty much a smoking gun for a professional demolition job. See: http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html And no other possible explanation for this? How many in his or related professions agree that his evidence is conclusive, or even credible? Michael Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/8/06 11:56:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, babajii_99@ writes: Barrett's view, expressed on WTMJ-AM, that the government orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks. Barrettt teaches an introductory course on Islam. The UW is reviewing his past teaching performance. What a lunatic. The UW *should* be reviewing whether they want somebody so irresponsible teaching at their University. This guy could do harm to the University's image. One may have the right to free speech, but one does not have the right to be heard. No. One has a right to be heard, but one doens't always have a right to use a publicly funded forum to exercise one's rights. If it's a publicly funded forum, one *should* have the right to use it. *Privately* funded would be another story. Not if he's the one being paid to speak using public funds. He's paid to teach, not pontificateon his political beliefs. Usually universities don't care, but his speech may be so infamatory that they DO care. I doubt he was being paid by the state to speak on the radio, which is where he expressed the views in question. Ah, then legally they have less to go on then I first thought --I thought he was mouthing off to his students in class. Unless they've got some kind of won't say things to embaress the University clause in his contract, he's probably got a good case against them... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/8/06 11:56:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, babajii_99@ writes: Barrett's view, expressed on WTMJ-AM, that the government orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks. Barrettt teaches an introductory course on Islam. The UW is reviewing his past teaching performance. What a lunatic. The UW *should* be reviewing whether they want somebody so irresponsible teaching at their University. This guy could do harm to the University's image. One may have the right to free speech, but one does not have the right to be heard. No. One has a right to be heard, but one doens't always have a right to use a publicly funded forum to exercise one's rights. If it's a publicly funded forum, one *should* have the right to use it. *Privately* funded would be another story. Not if he's the one being paid to speak using public funds. He's paid to teach, not pontificateon his political beliefs. Usually universities don't care, but his speech may be so infamatory that they DO care. I doubt he was being paid by the state to speak on the radio, which is where he expressed the views in question. Ah, then legally they have less to go on then I first thought --I thought he was mouthing off to his students in class. Unless they've got some kind of won't say things to embaress the University clause in his contract, he's probably got a good case against them... They haven't done anything to him yet; they're just investigating his past teaching performance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/8/06 11:56:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, babajii_99@ writes: Barrett's view, expressed on WTMJ-AM, that the government orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks. Barrettt teaches an introductory course on Islam. The UW is reviewing his past teaching performance. What a lunatic. The UW *should* be reviewing whether they want somebody so irresponsible teaching at their University. This guy could do harm to the University's image. One may have the right to free speech, but one does not have the right to be heard. No. One has a right to be heard, but one doens't always have a right to use a publicly funded forum to exercise one's rights. If it's a publicly funded forum, one *should* have the right to use it. *Privately* funded would be another story. Not if he's the one being paid to speak using public funds. He's paid to teach, not pontificateon his political beliefs. Usually universities don't care, but his speech may be so infamatory that they DO care. I doubt he was being paid by the state to speak on the radio, which is where he expressed the views in question. Ah, then legally they have less to go on then I first thought --I thought he was mouthing off to his students in class. Unless they've got some kind of won't say things to embaress the University clause in his contract, he's probably got a good case against them... They haven't done anything to him yet; they're just investigating his past teaching performance. Could be seen as harrassment, I think, if there's been no complaints by students. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
