On Nov 2, 2005, at 1:17 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Nov 1, 2005, at 3:38 PM, brahmachari108 wrote: Notions of CC, GC, UC are inventions of Mahesh Yogi. Where in Veda are these mentioned? What is above or below in the state of Turiya
On Nov 1, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Peter wrote:
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>> Reading your words and most others on their
>> proclamations betrays the level of so called
>> enlightenment.
>> Do you think that if someone were truly enlightened,
>> he would feel th
--- brahmachari108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Reading your words and most others on their
> proclamations betrays the level of so called
> enlightenment.
> Do you think that if someone were truly enlightened,
> he would feel the need to tell
> "others?" What "other" exists in enligh
On Nov 1, 2005, at 3:55 PM, brahmachari108 wrote:
> Reading your words and most others on their proclamations betrays
> the level of so called
> enlightenment.
> Do you think that if someone were truly enlightened, he would feel
> the need to tell
> "others?" What "other" exists in enlightenm
On Nov 1, 2005, at 3:38 PM, brahmachari108 wrote:
> Notions of CC, GC, UC are inventions of Mahesh Yogi.
> Where in Veda are these mentioned?
> What is above or below in the state of Turiya?
CC = samkhya and yoga
GC = mimamsa and Vaishnava devotionalism.
UC = Badarayana sutras
and numerous oth
on 10/15/05 10:54 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> Maybe I'm wrong, or maybe none ofthem are attempting to beat the
> world record. The olympic level athletes reportedly have at least
> short-term health problems after the run.
This topic has morphed. It would be good to change the sub
On Oct 15, 2005, at 9:39 AM, authfriend wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> On Oct 14, 2005, at 3:38 PM, authfriend wrote:
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The
Patanjali sutras are yoga/samkhya darshana Judy and what is the
result of yoga darshana Judy? I'll giv
On Oct 14, 2005, at 1:09 PM, peterklutz wrote:I think serious seekers in the TMO are far closer to E than they might realize, the reason being the fact that they live in a world (until this summer) controlled by Kali. Didn't M. say the opposite, that people would be surprised (at how advanced the
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> > > The kind of levitation/floating that MMY claims
> to
> > > be referring to is
> > > the kind that you can ph
Objectively?
I belive MMY
says that levitation is proof of samadhi.
I suppose
this means that if a person who is a known TMSP-practitioner
repeatedly
can take-off, hoover and settle down in a controlled
manner,
chances are this person is CC or above.
I’m thinking if what has a
So, when we stop living the surrealistic reality of our assumed
limitations, and become free, we are said to then
be 'enlightened'.
But it is merely relative to what our past
experience has been.
Hi Jim …thanks for your reply.
I was thinking about that line you wrote
above
--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> The kind of levitation/floating that MMY claims to
> be referring to is
> the kind that you can photograph and perform before
> a skeptical
> audience.
But this has never happened, right? So why not talk
about the man in the moon?
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
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> > > Haven't you ever considered the possibility that
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> > > Maharishi just
On Oct 14, 2005, at 3:07 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:On the other hand, I disagree completely with levitation being any measure of one's state of consciousness. It's just a skill. You can either do it or you can't. It don't say bupkus about your state of consciousness. If it was then you'd have to
On Oct 13, 2005, at 11:20 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In Fairfiel
Hi Akasha,
First, many here and elsewhere have so many
understandings of the term, use of such a label,
in contrast to direct
descriptors of an experience, has little communicative
value IMO.
I know
lol. I hear that word used so much, and I swear ….I don’t know what
it means lol
Yikes, not at all.
And if I did, asking would hardly help me
(as I was stating).
I ask because people speak of
enlightenment as if they know what it is and have never been able to find out.
So to answer your questions
I
want to know
you
couldn’t pay me to take such a la
To be like Shiva. He does it all the time.
Plus Ostriches are cool, and by cool I
mean totally sweet!
Fast as hell they are…. Swsh
:-D
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
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> > Why would one imagine they are an ostrich if they
> are
> > not?
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> Yeah- it does get a little hypothetical. I guess
> you'd have to ask the
> ostrich...
I
I told Tom he was enlightened and he told me that
I
was enlightened, so there.
Haha…have you ever had someone tell
you that you had reached enlightenment?
It’s a lot like someone informing
you of a past life you don’t remember; or getting the gas bill:
“Okeedoke, I’ll tak
--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
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> Full awareness,
> > but no "I" to lay claim to be doing anything.
> There is
> > nobody home, but all the lights are on and
> everything
> > is working just fine. That
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> "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis"
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> > > Tom T:
> > > I have two friends who are Enlightened
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> > Spare egg writes:
> > And you know this because?
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> > Tom T:
> > Takes
--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Oct 13, 2005, at 9:44 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote:
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> > It puzzles me also, why people, when they stop
> identifying the 'I'
> > with an image of one's personal self, say there is
> no 'I' anymore.
> >
> > The `I' is the subject, who feels, sees,
> inte
--- Irmeli Mattsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> It puzzles me also, why people, when they stop
> identifying the 'I'
> with an image of one's personal self, say there is
> no 'I' anymore.
Because no "I" or psychological sense of "me" is
present. It can't be found. When people (in
On Oct 13, 2005, at 9:44 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote:It puzzles me also, why people, when they stop identifying the 'I' with an image of one's personal self, say there is no 'I' anymore. The `I' is the subject, who feels, sees, interprets and evaluates situations, makes meaning, uses concepts li
On Oct 12, 2005, at 9:43 PM, akasha_108 wrote:Does the switching experience I described correspond to any types of "standard" transmissions that you are aware of?Anything's possible but nothing specific I could add. Does the clothng I described, white cloak, hood, dark bue symbol laden embrodery
--- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
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> > When I was around 9 or 10 my best friend and I
> used to
> > play this game. We would sit quietly and begin to
> > negate our experience piece by piece. We'd
> alternat
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108
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> > As a kid, maybe starting at 8 or 10, I had a
> repeated "inquiry" -- I
> > was a curious sort of kid (as in inquisitive and
> odd). I kept
> > looking at the sky and
Or maybe it was "me" in the past,
transmitting to my future self, in
California, 1960. Ha ha, now thats funny. Then it was both
"Me" and "me".
*
I wouldn’t
be surprised in the least J
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Hi again Akasha lol
This reminded me that I used to get really obsessed
with the idea that there couldn’t be a beginning because something would
have to “be” in order to begin anyway.
It drove me nuts. Still does.
Crap…I shouldn’t have even
brought it up. Ugh.
> Or thinking
On Oct 12, 2005, at 8:45 PM, akasha_108 wrote:
> Or thinking where does space end? Or what was
> there before the universe wa[s] created.
Yes. I had the precise same thought processes. Frustrating as a 7
year old with no one who could answer and adults increasingly
projecting "weirdness".
On Oct 12, 2005, at 4:02 PM, akasha_108 wrote:
> Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> On Oct 12, 2005, at 2:10 PM, akasha_108 wrote:
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>>> Enlightenment, connates, to me at least, an endpoint.
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>> Hmmm. Never got that., although unimpeded omniscience might seem
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> that way.
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I’ve been slapped silly…a few
times lol. The ego loss was just the tip of the iceberg.
Getting rather used to it by now…and
each journey has gotten easier.
I feel like through meditation that I have
gained some control, but I have
far to go.
I don’t mind one bit…I’d
rather be on th
Thank you for the suggested reading! I have
not read this yet… but I will J
I too was raised Christian (Catholic
actually) ….
You would not believe how incredibly fast
I had to dump out my belief system just to “get by”
I look forward to reading this stuff!
Oh, btw…people me
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> on 10/12/05 8:06 AM, Paula Youmans at
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> > Hello I am very new on this list, but wanted to
> respond to this last bit. I
> > am one of those people who somehow managed to
> experience things in reverse
> > order. Strange
On Oct 12, 2005, at 2:10 PM, akasha_108 wrote:Enlightenment, connates, to me at least, an endpoint.Hmmm. Never got that., although unimpeded omniscience might seem that way. The proposed model views the mapping of points in the multi-dimensional space as milestones or simple current mappings of
On Oct 12, 2005, at 2:10 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Better yet would be a two dimensional scale, like an xy graph. It helps dispose of the linearity and alleged necessary sequence of "happenings". For example, various peoples experience could be plotted on two characteristics of the "the experience"
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
on 10/12/05 8:06 AM, Paula Youmans at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello – I am very new on this list, but wanted to respond to this last bit. I am one of those people who somehow managed to experience things in reverse order
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> When I reference "I" now..it is a lot like
> referencing your hand. It is
> yours and you can use it and you can feel it.but it
> is not "you" complete.
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> I sure hope I make sense lol. Words become so
> awkward in
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Someone told me once that “enlightenment”
is not only being able to bridge into the “heavens”….but
being able to go AND come back at will.
I liked that…
Subject: RE:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Hi Paula and welcome to our tough neighborhood! Can
you
Hi Paula and welcome to our tough neighborhood! Can
you talk about your experiences directly? You seem to
have experienced a degree of ego loss, one of the
points of enlightenment discussed here quite often. Do
you have an ego now, or is there only "no thing" when
mind tries to reference an "I"?
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On Oct 12, 2005, at 6:22 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote:When we discuss enlightenment the concepts we use tend to be quite confusing, because different individuals mean different things by those concepts. Interesting thing I've noticed is that of those of us who were weaned on the "7 states of consci
Irmeli wrote:
People can get enlightened without these inner
structures. Then they
tend to think they are fully perfect as they are
and also superior
beings. They desperately need their enlightenment
to be seen, and
themselves to be seen as superior, because that is
their personality
s
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