Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yup, whence faced with all the ignorance and negativity around here things like 
this needs to be said periodically as good reminder of the truth of matters, 
 Maharishi Said:
“The Veda [Scripture] reveals the unchanging Unity of life which underlies the 
evident multiplicity of creation, for Reality is both manifest and unmanifest, 
and That alone is “I am That, thou art That, and all this is That is the 
Truth”; and this is the kernel of the Vedic teaching, which the Rishis extold 
as teaching “worthy of hearing, contemplating, and realizing” 
 fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : 
 Perfectly expressed. Barry unwittingly solidifies his position of ignorance. 
He is being absolutely truthful here. He doesn't know the first thing about 
enlightenment, except for his lifetime total of three weeks of dirty 
(unstable) witnessing. Enlightenment will always remain in the fiction section 
of his library. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 I agree. Just make sure that when it comes out it's stored in the Fiction 
section of the library.  :-)

 
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
 
 
   
 A collection of Fleet's published FFL writings here about enlightenment would 
make a really fine anthology on the subject. -Buck in the Dome 
 turquoiseb wrote : 
 Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be envious of him. 
 

 Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, I'll pass, 
thanks.  :-)  :-)  :-)

 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
 
 
   
 I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts. I can relate to 
what he is talking about by experience. He is very clear and accurate in his 
writings. You seem threatened by his writing. -Buck
 

turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES 
HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for 
being enlightened.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 That's pretty funny, Share. 

 I imagine the exchange went something like this.
 

 Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.
 

 BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't 
like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate believers 
about.
 

 BS: But sir, I think..
 

 BW: Okay, what is it already!
 

 BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious 
of his enlightenment.
 

 BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you for?  Let 
me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any 
other developments along these lines.  I have a reputation to uphold!
 

 BS: Yes sir.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!
 

 From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
 
 
   
 I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux 
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. 
The quote was:
 

Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened 
state.
 

 I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, 
Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he 
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really 
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing 
could *possibly* be more stupid than that. 

 

 But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)
 

 The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED 
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. 

 

 Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* 
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent 
turnips.  :-)  :-)  :-)
 

 Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. 
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.  

 


















 













 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

A collection of Fleet's published FFL writings here about enlightenment would 
make a really fine anthology on the subject. -Buck in the Dome 
 turquoiseb wrote : 
 Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be envious of him. 
 

 Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, I'll pass, 
thanks.  :-)  :-)  :-)

 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
 
 
   
 I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts. I can relate to 
what he is talking about by experience. He is very clear and accurate in his 
writings. You seem threatened by his writing. -Buck
 

turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES 
HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for 
being enlightened.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 That's pretty funny, Share. 

 I imagine the exchange went something like this.
 

 Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.
 

 BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't 
like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate believers 
about.
 

 BS: But sir, I think..
 

 BW: Okay, what is it already!
 

 BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious 
of his enlightenment.
 

 BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you for?  Let 
me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any 
other developments along these lines.  I have a reputation to uphold!
 

 BS: Yes sir.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!
 

 From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
 
 
   
 I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux 
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. 
The quote was:
 

Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened 
state.
 

 I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, 
Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he 
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really 
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing 
could *possibly* be more stupid than that. 

 

 But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)
 

 The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED 
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. 

 

 Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* 
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent 
turnips.  :-)  :-)  :-)
 

 Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. 
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.  

 


















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I agree. Just make sure that when it comes out it's stored in the Fiction 
section of the library.  :-)

  From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 1:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
   
    A collection of Fleet's published FFL writings here about enlightenment 
would make a really fine anthology on the subject. -Buck in the Dome
turquoiseb wrote :
Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be envious of him. 

Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, I'll pass, 
thanks.  :-)  :-)  :-)
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
 
 I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts.  I can relate 
to what he is talking about by experience.  He is very clear and accurate in 
his writings.  You seem threatened by his writing.  -Buck
turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES 
HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for 
being enlightened.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

That's pretty funny, Share.
I imagine the exchange went something like this.
Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.
BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't like, 
people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate believers about.
BS: But sir, I think..
BW: Okay, what is it already!
BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious 
of his enlightenment.
BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you for?  Let 
me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any 
other developments along these lines.  I have a reputation to uphold!
BS: Yes sir.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!

  From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
 
 I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux 
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. 
The quote was:
       Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state.
I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, 
Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he 
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really 
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing 
could *possibly* be more stupid than that. 

But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)
The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED 
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. 

Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* 
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent 
turnips.  :-)  :-)  :-)
Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. 
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.  






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Perfectly expressed. Barry unwittingly solidifies his position of ignorance. He 
is being absolutely truthful here. He doesn't know the first thing about 
enlightenment, except for his lifetime total of three weeks of dirty 
(unstable) witnessing. Enlightenment will always remain in the fiction section 
of his library. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 I agree. Just make sure that when it comes out it's stored in the Fiction 
section of the library.  :-)

 From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 1:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
 
 
   
 A collection of Fleet's published FFL writings here about enlightenment would 
make a really fine anthology on the subject. -Buck in the Dome 
 turquoiseb wrote : 
 Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be envious of him. 
 

 Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, I'll pass, 
thanks.  :-)  :-)  :-)

 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
 
 
   
 I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts. I can relate to 
what he is talking about by experience. He is very clear and accurate in his 
writings. You seem threatened by his writing. -Buck
 

turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES 
HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for 
being enlightened.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 That's pretty funny, Share. 

 I imagine the exchange went something like this.
 

 Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.
 

 BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't 
like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate believers 
about.
 

 BS: But sir, I think..
 

 BW: Okay, what is it already!
 

 BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious 
of his enlightenment.
 

 BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you for?  Let 
me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any 
other developments along these lines.  I have a reputation to uphold!
 

 BS: Yes sir.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!
 

 From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
 
 
   
 I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux 
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. 
The quote was:
 

Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened 
state.
 

 I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, 
Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he 
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really 
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing 
could *possibly* be more stupid than that. 

 

 But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)
 

 The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED 
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. 

 

 Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* 
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent 
turnips.  :-)  :-)  :-)
 

 Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. 
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.  

 


















 













 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/21/2014 6:53 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:

*/I agree. Just make sure that when it comes out it's stored in the 
Fiction section of the library.  :-)

/*

/
Put it in the fiction section right next to your book, Road Trip Mind?

**/



*From:* dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 1:48 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

*A collection of Fleet's published FFL writings here about enlightenment would 
make a really fine anthology on the subject. -Buck in the Dome*

turquoiseb wrote :

*/Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be 
envious of him.

/*
*/
/*
*/Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, 
I'll pass, thanks.  :-)  :-)  :-)/*




*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

**I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts.  I can relate 
to what he is talking about by experience.  He is very clear and accurate in 
his writings.  You seem threatened by his writing.  -Buck**
*//*
*/*/
/*/*
*/turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* 
WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am 
*envious* of him for being enlightened./*



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

That's pretty funny, Share.

I imagine the exchange went something like this.

Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.

BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I 
don't like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate 
believers about.


BS: But sir, I think..

BW: Okay, what is it already!

BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're 
envious of his enlightenment.


BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you 
for?  Let me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep 
me informed of any other developments along these lines.  I have a 
reputation to uphold!


BS: Yes sir.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!


*From:* TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!

*/I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The 
Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and 
laughed this hard. The quote was:/*

*/
/*
*Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state.*
*/
/*
*/I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and 
clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was 
laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't 
believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe 
exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more 
stupid than that.

/*
*/
/*
*/But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)/*
*/
/*
*/The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS 
ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him 
for being enlightened.

/*
*/
/*
*/Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What 
*happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met 
more intelligent turnips.  :-) :-)  :-)/*

*/
/*
*/Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened 
state. You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.

/*
*/
/*

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Sorry but there ain't no stinkun Litemint. 
Them hindoos stole it from Buddhists and it's worth about that much. 

Not before, during  or after a human lifetime is there Litemint.
We are not born with it. Anything born will perish and therefore is just 
another blow job.
Such a Litemint is just another toke on the prana-pipe.
  
Invert attention to its source-field - just as it is now. 
That is what we are and the rest is just the fantasy of this world.
WTF

om gomaya svaha

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/21/2014 7:54 PM, emptybill wrote:


Sorry but there ain't no stinkun Litemint.
Them hindoos stole it from Buddhists and it's worth about that much.

Not before, during  or after a human lifetime is there Litemint.
We are not born with it. Anything born will perish and therefore is 
just another blow job.

Such a Litemint is just another toke on the prana-pipe.

Invert attention to its source-field - just as it is now.
That is what we are and the rest is just the fantasy of this world.
WTF

om gomaya svaha


/Nihilism is the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often 
in the belief that life is meaningless, purposeless, or lacks any 
intrinsic value.//

//
//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be envious of him. 

Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, I'll pass, 
thanks.  :-)  :-)  :-)
  From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
   
    I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts.  I can 
relate to what he is talking about by experience.  He is very clear and 
accurate in his writings.  You seem threatened by his writing.  -Buck
turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES 
HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for 
being enlightened.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

That's pretty funny, Share.
I imagine the exchange went something like this.
Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.
BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't like, 
people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate believers about.
BS: But sir, I think..
BW: Okay, what is it already!
BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious 
of his enlightenment.
BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you for?  Let 
me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any 
other developments along these lines.  I have a reputation to uphold!
BS: Yes sir.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!

  From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
 
 I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux 
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. 
The quote was:
       Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state.
I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, 
Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he 
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really 
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing 
could *possibly* be more stupid than that. 

But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)
The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED 
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. 

Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* 
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent 
turnips.  :-)  :-)  :-)
Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. 
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.  




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

So Buck as long as someone talks the talk, you just take him at his word? Shit, 
I screwed up - I should have  claimed the same blabber when I first got on FFL, 
claimed enlightenment and done a Meet the Enlightened Guy Tour in Fairfield 
and cleaned all your wallets out. Lesson learned.

  From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:33 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
   
    Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be envious of 
him. 

Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, I'll pass, 
thanks.  :-)  :-)  :-)
 

 From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
   
    I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts.  I can 
relate to what he is talking about by experience.  He is very clear and 
accurate in his writings.  You seem threatened by his writing.  -Buck
turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES 
HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for 
being enlightened.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

That's pretty funny, Share.
I imagine the exchange went something like this.
Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.
BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't like, 
people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate believers about.
BS: But sir, I think..
BW: Okay, what is it already!
BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious 
of his enlightenment.
BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you for?  Let 
me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any 
other developments along these lines.  I have a reputation to uphold!
BS: Yes sir.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!

  From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
 
 I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux 
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. 
The quote was:
       Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state.
I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, 
Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he 
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really 
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing 
could *possibly* be more stupid than that. 

But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)
The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED 
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. 

Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* 
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent 
turnips.  :-)  :-)  :-)
Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. 
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.  




  

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Dear Turq's secretary, please forward the following response (and his choice of 
puppy chow), to our common acquaintance:  

 Buck is not envious of me, nor is anyone else on this forum, except YOU. :-) 
:-) :-) 
 

 The question (for you) is, WHY?
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 
 Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be envious of him. 
 

 Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, I'll pass, 
thanks.  :-)  :-)  :-)

 From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
 
 
   
 I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts. I can relate to 
what he is talking about by experience. He is very clear and accurate in his 
writings. You seem threatened by his writing. -Buck
 

turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES 
HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for 
being enlightened.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 That's pretty funny, Share. 

 I imagine the exchange went something like this.
 

 Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.
 

 BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't 
like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate believers 
about.
 

 BS: But sir, I think..
 

 BW: Okay, what is it already!
 

 BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious 
of his enlightenment.
 

 BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you for?  Let 
me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any 
other developments along these lines.  I have a reputation to uphold!
 

 BS: Yes sir.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!
 

 From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
 
 
   
 I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux 
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. 
The quote was:
 

Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened 
state.
 

 I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, 
Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he 
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really 
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing 
could *possibly* be more stupid than that. 

 

 But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)
 

 The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED 
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. 

 

 Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* 
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent 
turnips.  :-)  :-)  :-)
 

 Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. 
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.  

 


















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

No one is just spouting empty words, except you, and the one in the dog house. 
I made the point a few weeks ago, when responding to Curtis, that Enlightenment 
means success in the world, with family, friends, career, finances, and general 
accomplishment of desires. Enlightenment by itself means nothing to a 
householder. Pure awareness, accompanying waking, sleeping, and dreaming, 
brings success. I find it hilarious when I say this, and the three of you clam 
up, like, wellclams. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 So Buck as long as someone talks the talk, you just take him at his word? 
Shit, I screwed up - I should have  claimed the same blabber when I first got 
on FFL, claimed enlightenment and done a Meet the Enlightened Guy Tour in 
Fairfield and cleaned all your wallets out. Lesson learned.

 

 From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:33 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
 
 
   
 Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be envious of him. 
 

 Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, I'll pass, 
thanks.  :-)  :-)  :-)

 


 From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
 
 
   
 I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts. I can relate to 
what he is talking about by experience. He is very clear and accurate in his 
writings. You seem threatened by his writing. -Buck
 

turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES 
HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for 
being enlightened.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 That's pretty funny, Share. 

 I imagine the exchange went something like this.
 

 Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.
 

 BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't 
like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate believers 
about.
 

 BS: But sir, I think..
 

 BW: Okay, what is it already!
 

 BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious 
of his enlightenment.
 

 BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you for?  Let 
me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any 
other developments along these lines.  I have a reputation to uphold!
 

 BS: Yes sir.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!
 

 From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
 
 
   
 I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux 
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. 
The quote was:
 

Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened 
state.
 

 I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, 
Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he 
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really 
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing 
could *possibly* be more stupid than that. 

 

 But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)
 

 The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED 
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. 

 

 Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* 
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent 
turnips.  :-)  :-)  :-)
 

 Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. 
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.  

 


















 












 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 8:01 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:


*
*I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts.*
*

**
/Is there any way for anyone to prove their own subjective experiences?/ 
/Why do you suppose Barry feels so threatened by Jim's subjective 
experiences? /



*
*I can relate to what he is talking about by experience.  He is very clear and 
accurate in his writings.  You seem threatened by his writing.  -Buck*
*


/ I can understand why Barry would be JELLOS of Jim's material 
situation, but why or how could anyone be envious of another person's 
subjective state of consciousness? Go figure. /


*/turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* 
WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am 
*envious* of him for being enlightened./*



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

That's pretty funny, Share.

I imagine the exchange went something like this.

Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.

BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I 
don't like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate 
believers about.


BS: But sir, I think..

BW: Okay, what is it already!

BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're 
envious of his enlightenment.


BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you 
for?  Let me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep 
me informed of any other developments along these lines.  I have a 
reputation to uphold!


BS: Yes sir.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!


*From:* TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!

*/I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The 
Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and 
laughed this hard. The quote was:/*

*/
/*
*Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state.*
*/
/*
*/I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and 
clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was 
laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't 
believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe 
exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more 
stupid than that.

/*
*/
/*
*/But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)/*
*/
/*
*/The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS 
ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him 
for being enlightened.

/*
*/
/*
*/Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What 
*happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met 
more intelligent turnips. :-)  :-)  :-)/*

*/
/*
*/Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened 
state. You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.

/*
*/
/*

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 9:35 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:



No one is just spouting empty words, except you, and the one in the 
dog house. I made the point a few weeks ago, when responding to 
Curtis, that Enlightenment means success in the world, with family, 
friends, career, finances, and general accomplishment of desires. 
Enlightenment by itself means nothing to a householder. Pure 
awareness, accompanying waking, sleeping, and dreaming, brings 
success. I find it hilarious when I say this, and the three of you 
clam up, like, wellclams.




/It's understandable that others might be JELLOS of your material 
situation, Jim, but most normal people don't display such emotions in 
public.


Years ago I stated that we are all enlightened at birth - all we have to 
do is realize our own birthright. //There's really nothing anyone can DO 
to get into the enlightened state - we are all born with it, but we lose 
it very early on due to karmic circumstances. All an individual can 
really do is try to provide for themselves the ideal opportunity for the 
realization to dawn.


//Rita and I worked hard all our life to get where we are, to be able to 
retire with a few bucks in the bank and enjoy life. All our children are 
grown up now, so we feel we've done what had to be done.


All along we've done the Work as householders, but w//e know that we are 
only going to get as much enlightenment as we are going to get. It's way 
too late for us to complain that others have more than we do.


We believe in Life - what it does to you and what you do back. /



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

So Buck as long as someone talks the talk, you just take him at his 
word? Shit, I screwed up - I should have  claimed the same blabber 
when I first got on FFL, claimed enlightenment and done a Meet the 
Enlightened Guy Tour in Fairfield and cleaned all your wallets out. 
Lesson learned.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Hi, Just to tweak your story a bit, I wasn't born enlightened. I barely made it 
out alive, and it was awhile before I could breathe by myself (a couple of 
months, at least). I like life infinitely better, now.  

 Enlightenment is not a static state, either, as you seem to imply. Just as 
there are techniques to increase our skill in any area of life, so it is with 
enlightenment, also - Unbounded awareness is not just a catch phrase.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 11/20/2014 9:35 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 
 
 No one is just spouting empty words, except you, and the one in the dog house. 
I made the point a few weeks ago, when responding to Curtis, that Enlightenment 
means success in the world, with family, friends, career, finances, and general 
accomplishment of desires. Enlightenment by itself means nothing to a 
householder. Pure awareness, accompanying waking, sleeping, and dreaming, 
brings success. I find it hilarious when I say this, and the three of you clam 
up, like, wellclams.
 
 It's understandable that others might be JELLOS of your material situation, 
Jim, but most normal people don't display such emotions in public. 
 
 Years ago I stated that we are all enlightened at birth - all we have to do is 
realize our own birthright. There's really nothing anyone can DO to get into 
the enlightened state - we are all born with it, but we lose it very early on 
due to karmic circumstances. All an individual can really do is try to provide 
for themselves the ideal opportunity for the realization to dawn.
 
 Rita and I worked hard all our life to get where we are, to be able to retire 
with a few bucks in the bank and enjoy life. All our children are grown up now, 
so we feel we've done what had to be done. 
 
 All along we've done the Work as householders, but we know that we are only 
going to get as much enlightenment as we are going to get. It's way too late 
for us to complain that others have more than we do. 
 
 We believe in Life - what it does to you and what you do back. 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote :
 
 So Buck as long as someone talks the talk, you just take him at his word? 
Shit, I screwed up - I should have  claimed the same blabber when I first got 
on FFL, claimed enlightenment and done a Meet the Enlightened Guy Tour in 
Fairfield and cleaned all your wallets out. Lesson learned.



 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 9:17 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:



Dear Turq's secretary, please forward the following response (and his 
choice of puppy chow), to our common acquaintance:




So, the bottom line is that being in an enlightened state is a 
subjective state that defies any material proof. Having said that, 
someone, anyone, please explain to me what Barry meant when he posted 
this message below, because now I'm getting confused and you don't want 
to confuse the willytex.


/I cannot expect anyone else to believe that these experiences had 
anything to do with enlightenment. And I don't. Also, I might interpret 
the experiences in my own way, but that doesn't mean that anyone else 
hearing them can't, and won't, interpret them differently. That they do 
so doesn't mean that they're attacking me, merely that they see things a 
different way, from another point of view. - /TurquoiseB


http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg96217.html




Buck is not envious of me, nor is anyone else on this forum, except 
YOU. :-) :-) :-)


The question (for you) is, WHY?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

*/Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be 
envious of him.

/*
*/
/*
*/Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, 
I'll pass, thanks. :-)  :-)  :-)/*



*From:* dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:01 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

**I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts.  I can relate 
to what he is talking about by experience.  He is very clear and accurate in 
his writings.  You seem threatened by his writing.  -Buck**
*//*
*/*/
/*/*
*/turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* 
WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am 
*envious* of him for being enlightened./*



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

That's pretty funny, Share.

I imagine the exchange went something like this.

Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.

BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I 
don't like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate 
believers about.


BS: But sir, I think..

BW: Okay, what is it already!

BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're 
envious of his enlightenment.


BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you 
for?  Let me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep 
me informed of any other developments along these lines.  I have a 
reputation to uphold!


BS: Yes sir.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!


*From:* TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!

*/I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The 
Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and 
laughed this hard. The quote was:/*

*/
/*
*Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state.*
*/
/*
*/I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and 
clueless, Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was 
laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't 
believe in a God are really angry at the being they don't believe 
exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more 
stupid than that.

/*
*/
/*
*/But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)/*
*/
/*
*/The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS 
ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him 
for being enlightened.

/*
*/
/*
*/Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What 
*happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met 
more intelligent turnips.  :-) :-)  :-)/*

*/
/*
*/Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened 
state. You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.

/*
*/
/*

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 10:32 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:



Hi, Just to tweak your story a bit, I wasn't born enlightened. I 
barely made it out alive, and it was awhile before I could breathe by 
myself (a couple of months, at least).




/The important thing is that you awakened from your slumber - that's 
what a Buddha does.


/


I like life infinitely better, now.



Yogis enjoy - ascetics suffer.


Enlightenment is not a static state, either, as you seem to imply.


/You're just trying to confuse us now, Jim - everyone knows that the 
Absolute is a static state - it's the relative gunas that move around, 
change and react to the other gunas./


/Two birds sat on a tree; one ate the fruit, the other looked on. - 
Upanishads/


Just as there are techniques to increase our skill in any area of 
life, so it is with enlightenment,


/That's called skill-in-action - grounded in Being, then act. /


also - Unbounded awareness is not just a catch phrase.


/SBS said that Brahman is the already existent Light - it needs no other 
light for illumination. //According to Maharishi, TM meditation is NOT 
the cause of enlightenment - it merely provides the ideal opportunity 
for transcending./





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

On 11/20/2014 9:35 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:




No one is just spouting empty words, except you, and the one in
the dog house. I made the point a few weeks ago, when responding
to Curtis, that Enlightenment means success in the world, with
family, friends, career, finances, and general accomplishment of
desires. Enlightenment by itself means nothing to a householder.
Pure awareness, accompanying waking, sleeping, and dreaming,
brings success. I find it hilarious when I say this, and the
three of you clam up, like, wellclams.



/It's understandable that others might be JELLOS of your material
situation, Jim, but most normal people don't display such emotions
in public.

Years ago I stated that we are all enlightened at birth - all we
have to do is realize our own birthright. //There's really nothing
anyone can DO to get into the enlightened state - we are all born
with it, but we lose it very early on due to karmic circumstances.
All an individual can really do is try to provide for themselves
the ideal opportunity for the realization to dawn.
//
//Rita and I worked hard all our life to get where we are, to be
able to retire with a few bucks in the bank and enjoy life. All
our children are grown up now, so we feel we've done what had to
be done.

All along we've done the Work as householders, but w//e know that
we are only going to get as much enlightenment as we are going to
get. It's way too late for us to complain that others have more
than we do.

We believe in Life - what it does to you and what you do back. /



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@...
mailto:mjackson74@... wrote :

So Buck as long as someone talks the talk, you just take him at
his word? Shit, I screwed up - I should have  claimed the same
blabber when I first got on FFL, claimed enlightenment and done a
Meet the Enlightened Guy Tour in Fairfield and cleaned all your
wallets out. Lesson learned.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 8:57 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:


So Buck as long as someone talks the talk, you just take him at his word?


/So, we are taking your word that you took a bus up to IA in the dead of 
winter, to live in a small pod, and that you learned on the job how to 
set tables in the campus cafeteria. You do kind of talk the talk, like a 
bus-boy. /


Shit, I screwed up - I should have  claimed the same blabber when I 
first got on FFL, claimed enlightenment and done a Meet the 
Enlightened Guy Tour in Fairfield


/You could have been anything when you first got on FFL, but you chose 
to act like a washed up, old red-neck bigot. Go figure./



and cleaned all your wallets out. Lesson learned.


/In your home computer repair business, is there a difference - if it 
ain't broke, fix it?/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Uh, Michael, remember, you did talk in detail about your enlightenment, and all 
the great experiences you had practicing the technique until you remembered, 
hey, I'm supposed to be Mr. Negative about TM, oops 

 That was kinda cute when you did that.
 

 We got to witness the Great Retraction, which took about three days, and ten 
pages.
 

 Can we get treated to that again?
 

 Pretty please?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 So Buck as long as someone talks the talk, you just take him at his word? 
Shit, I screwed up - I should have  claimed the same blabber when I first got 
on FFL, claimed enlightenment and done a Meet the Enlightened Guy Tour in 
Fairfield and cleaned all your wallets out. Lesson learned.

 

 From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:33 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
 
 
   
 Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be envious of him. 
 

 Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, I'll pass, 
thanks.  :-)  :-)  :-)

 


 From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
 
 
   
 I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts. I can relate to 
what he is talking about by experience. He is very clear and accurate in his 
writings. You seem threatened by his writing. -Buck
 

turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES 
HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for 
being enlightened.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 That's pretty funny, Share. 

 I imagine the exchange went something like this.
 

 Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.
 

 BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't 
like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate believers 
about.
 

 BS: But sir, I think..
 

 BW: Okay, what is it already!
 

 BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious 
of his enlightenment.
 

 BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you for?  Let 
me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any 
other developments along these lines.  I have a reputation to uphold!
 

 BS: Yes sir.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!
 

 From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
 
 
   
 I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux 
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. 
The quote was:
 

Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened 
state.
 

 I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, 
Atheists are really angry at God quote. That one was laughable because he 
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are really 
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing 
could *possibly* be more stupid than that. 

 

 But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)
 

 The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED 
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. 

 

 Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* 
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent 
turnips.  :-)  :-)  :-)
 

 Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way envious of your enlightened state. 
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.  

 


















 












 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] ENLIGHTENMENT TRUTHS

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

Like.

On 6/9/2014 12:32 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com


I would have at least skimmed the essay. 

I skimmed enough of it to know that I didn't want to waste a sunny day in the 
Netherlands reading it. It was just more intellectualizing about a subject that 
can't be intellectualized, or as I put it below, spiritual porn. Better to 
enjoy the day, IMO, so I did.  

But I see this morning that a few people here had nothing more interesting 
going on in their lives yesterday than me. As I've suggested many times about 
my role on this forum, I discuss ideas, the ideas piss them off, and they 
discuss me. It's tough providing starter ideas for people who aren't smart 
enough to come up with their own, but hey...I guess somebody's gotta do it...   
:-)



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


As a followup, although I recognize that it is well and clearly written, I 
couldn't make my way through it. Too many notes, to quote the film Amadeus. 


But then, I tend to believe that
talking about enlightenment is a lot like watching porn and believing that 
you're having sex. My bad.


I suppose talking about enlightenment is best for those who have a natural 
inclination to tell people about it, and a situation arises that supports that 
inclination. For a while I wanted to talk about it, mainly to clarify what was 
going on intellectually in my head, but that tendency seems to be fading. Most 
of the talk on FFL is not about enlightenment but about the people who have 
intersected with that idea and became fucked up.



 From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS



 
Thanks for posting this, Anartaxius. I have successfully downloaded the 
attachment, and will try to read it later today or later this weekend, when I 
have time to do so, and will comment if I feel I have comments to make. 


For now, I will say that I agree with his list of myths about enlightenment, 
and agree with the basic principle that they ARE myths. I do NOT hold that what 
people have called enlightenment does not exist. I believe it does, but that 
it is a purely subjective experience that 1) defies description, 2) defies 
categorization or hierarchization, 3) is no better or higher than any other 
experience, and 4) may not be duplicatible. By #4 I mean that it is possible 
IMO that every person who experiences the subjective experience that they call 
enlightenment is experiencing a *different* experience or set of experiences. 
They may have some similarities with what others claim to experience and call
enlightenment, but essentially they'll all be different, even though the 
claimants CLAIM that they're all the
same. 

If I feel like commenting more after reading the essay, I will. If not, the 
above can stand as my take on enlightenment. I think it's an OK experience, 
as experiences go, but no more important or special than any other 
experience. The attempt to claim otherwise is IMO
*always* an attempt to sell somebody something --
whether that something be a technique or membership in some supposedly 
special or elite lineage or group. 






 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 10:36 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS [1 Attachment]



 
[Attachment(s) from anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] included below]
ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS

Some days ago emptybill posted (Lightmint vs EEG Claptrap) a quote by James 
Swartz. After poking around for a while I found this fellow's web site. Just 
after I came on FFL in 2011, yuxifero also responded to a post I had made with 
a link to his site. Swartz had written a book called 'How to Attain 
Enlightenment'. I do not think I followed up on that. But I did find a sample 
chapter from that book a
few days ago titled 'What is Enlightenment'. This was really interesting as it 
is an
attempt to explain enlightenment from the viewpoint of Advaita Vedanta. Of 
special interest to me was a series of discussions he called 'enlightenment 
myths'. I have attached that sample chapter to this post but would like to make 
brief mention of the discussions in it.

It is divided into several sections, but most interest were the sub headings of 
the enlightenment myths. As you read these you might notice that these myths 
cover just about everything we find in the TM scheme, and in many other 
traditions as well. Swartz has a very sharp intellect and handles most of his
discussion well, and takes apart these ideas one by one. Reminds me
of Curtis, (and even Robin, were he not off the deep end - this is now Robin 
might sound if he knew what he was talking about, and was not trying to 
exorcise everybody, and trying

Re: [FairfieldLife] ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com



  
I consider Xeno's views of both Barry and Robin to be so biased--one pro, the 
other con--as to be twisted. It did take a bit of effort to read some of 
Robin's posts, but they weren't obfuscatory or intended to entrap, nor was 
he putting on airs. 


She says, writing in such a way as to infer that she know the 'truth' about 
Robin, and no one else does. See what I mean about how NPD attracts NPD?   :-)


(That's the twisted part.) I think Xeno had problems similar to Barry's in 
reading Robin's posts, and this made him feel inadequate and resentful as 
well.How Xeno can see anything less than the purest hatred in Barry's obsessive 
comments about Robin, I can't imagine. But then Xeno has been angling for 
strokes from Barry for quite some time now.


Sounds to me as if Judy is a little resentful because Xeno and Share don't hate 
someone she's *told* them repeatedly that they should hate. How dare they?  :-)

What I find interesting about *Judy's* ongoing obsession with Robin is how she 
manages to drool over and defend a guy who on the one hand infers that the 
claim that he was once enlightened is a Really Big Deal (to the point of 
feeling that he has to actively confront anyone who denies this), and on the 
other hand infers that he's a Really Big Deal because he *quit* that shit, cold 
turkey. You would think that someone who claims to be an editor would notice 
the NPD tendency to insist on being a Really Big Deal, both past and present. 
Maybe it's that she actually believes he actually was/is one. Who knows? 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :


I would say Barry disliked Robin. Obsessive hatred seems a little extreme. 
Barry doesn't like long sprawling tracts of text, Robin's speciality, and he 
seems to have a very short fuse with people who think of themselves excessively 
or put on airs. I did not care for Robin's writing style either. I consider 
Robin's writing obfuscatory rather than illuminating. He was not out to 
explain, I think he used his skills to entrap rather than to free. He has a 
shorter attention span than I do. But much longer than a gnat. He does write 
some long posts, and they usually stay on topic, even if those who read them do 
not like what he says. I do not always like what he says, but that is my 
reaction to certain things.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :


Barry appears to have the attention span of a gnat. I suspect that may be why 
he developed such an obsessive hatred of Robin. Here were others reading 
Robin's posts with interest and understanding, and Barry couldn't get past the 
first few lines. Made him feel inadequate.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


As a followup, although I recognize that it is well and clearly written, I 
couldn't make my way through it. Too many notes, to quote the film Amadeus. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I really don't understand this ongoing interest with Robin, that you have. I 
thought he had the ability, here on FFL, more than most, to put the active 
turnings of his mind, on paper, with the movement intact. I was fascinated by 
it, at first, and he is clearly a brilliant guy. I saw him as a spiritual 
performance artist, more than anything else, and that's it - no big deal, 
either way.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
   I consider Xeno's views of both Barry and Robin to be so biased--one pro, 
the other con--as to be twisted. It did take a bit of effort to read some of 
Robin's posts, but they weren't obfuscatory or intended to entrap, nor was 
he putting on airs. 

 

 She says, writing in such a way as to infer that she know the 'truth' about 
Robin, and no one else does. See what I mean about how NPD attracts NPD?   :-)

 

 (That's the twisted part.) I think Xeno had problems similar to Barry's in 
reading Robin's posts, and this made him feel inadequate and resentful as well. 
How Xeno can see anything less than the purest hatred in Barry's obsessive 
comments about Robin, I can't imagine. But then Xeno has been angling for 
strokes from Barry for quite some time now.

 
Sounds to me as if Judy is a little resentful because Xeno and Share don't hate 
someone she's *told* them repeatedly that they should hate. How dare they?  :-)

What I find interesting about *Judy's* ongoing obsession with Robin is how she 
manages to drool over and defend a guy who on the one hand infers that the 
claim that he was once enlightened is a Really Big Deal (to the point of 
feeling that he has to actively confront anyone who denies this), and on the 
other hand infers that he's a Really Big Deal because he *quit* that shit, cold 
turkey. You would think that someone who claims to be an editor would notice 
the NPD tendency to insist on being a Really Big Deal, both past and present. 
Maybe it's that she actually believes he actually was/is one. Who knows? 


 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

 I would say Barry disliked Robin. Obsessive hatred seems a little extreme. 
Barry doesn't like long sprawling tracts of text, Robin's speciality, and he 
seems to have a very short fuse with people who think of themselves excessively 
or put on airs. I did not care for Robin's writing style either. I consider 
Robin's writing obfuscatory rather than illuminating. He was not out to 
explain, I think he used his skills to entrap rather than to free. He has a 
shorter attention span than I do. But much longer than a gnat. He does write 
some long posts, and they usually stay on topic, even if those who read them do 
not like what he says. I do not always like what he says, but that is my 
reaction to certain things.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

 Barry appears to have the attention span of a gnat. I suspect that may be why 
he developed such an obsessive hatred of Robin. Here were others reading 
Robin's posts with interest and understanding, and Barry couldn't get past the 
first few lines. Made him feel inadequate. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 As a followup, although I recognize that it is well and clearly written, I 
couldn't make my way through it. Too many notes, to quote the film Amadeus. 

 











 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

What's your problem, Barry? I'm simply stating my opinions (albeit not 
necessarily those you impute to me). 

 (BTW, you need to look up the distinction between infer and imply. In this 
post, you are the one doing the inferring. Check it out.)
 

 Given the huge number of words Barry has written about Robin, while he was 
here and after he left, right up to the present, I think we can (ahem) infer 
that for Barry, Robin was a Really Big Deal.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
   I consider Xeno's views of both Barry and Robin to be so biased--one pro, 
the other con--as to be twisted. It did take a bit of effort to read some of 
Robin's posts, but they weren't obfuscatory or intended to entrap, nor was 
he putting on airs. 

 

 She says, writing in such a way as to infer that she know the 'truth' about 
Robin, and no one else does. See what I mean about how NPD attracts NPD?   :-)

 

 (That's the twisted part.) I think Xeno had problems similar to Barry's in 
reading Robin's posts, and this made him feel inadequate and resentful as well. 
How Xeno can see anything less than the purest hatred in Barry's obsessive 
comments about Robin, I can't imagine. But then Xeno has been angling for 
strokes from Barry for quite some time now.

 
Sounds to me as if Judy is a little resentful because Xeno and Share don't hate 
someone she's *told* them repeatedly that they should hate. How dare they?  :-)

What I find interesting about *Judy's* ongoing obsession with Robin is how she 
manages to drool over and defend a guy who on the one hand infers that the 
claim that he was once enlightened is a Really Big Deal (to the point of 
feeling that he has to actively confront anyone who denies this), and on the 
other hand infers that he's a Really Big Deal because he *quit* that shit, cold 
turkey. You would think that someone who claims to be an editor would notice 
the NPD tendency to insist on being a Really Big Deal, both past and present. 
Maybe it's that she actually believes he actually was/is one. Who knows? 


 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

 I would say Barry disliked Robin. Obsessive hatred seems a little extreme. 
Barry doesn't like long sprawling tracts of text, Robin's speciality, and he 
seems to have a very short fuse with people who think of themselves excessively 
or put on airs. I did not care for Robin's writing style either. I consider 
Robin's writing obfuscatory rather than illuminating. He was not out to 
explain, I think he used his skills to entrap rather than to free. He has a 
shorter attention span than I do. But much longer than a gnat. He does write 
some long posts, and they usually stay on topic, even if those who read them do 
not like what he says. I do not always like what he says, but that is my 
reaction to certain things.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

 Barry appears to have the attention span of a gnat. I suspect that may be why 
he developed such an obsessive hatred of Robin. Here were others reading 
Robin's posts with interest and understanding, and Barry couldn't get past the 
first few lines. Made him feel inadequate. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 As a followup, although I recognize that it is well and clearly written, I 
couldn't make my way through it. Too many notes, to quote the film Amadeus. 

 











 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/8/2014 5:06 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
Sounds to me as if Judy is a little resentful because Xeno and Share 
don't hate someone she's *told* them repeatedly that they should hate. 
How dare they?  :-)


So, it's all about Judy. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks for posting this, Anartaxius. I have successfully downloaded the 
attachment, and will try to read it later today or later this weekend, when I 
have time to do so, and will comment if I feel I have comments to make. 


For now, I will say that I agree with his list of myths about enlightenment, 
and agree with the basic principle that they ARE myths. I do NOT hold that what 
people have called enlightenment does not exist. I believe it does, but that 
it is a purely subjective experience that 1) defies description, 2) defies 
categorization or hierarchization, 3) is no better or higher than any other 
experience, and 4) may not be duplicatible. By #4 I mean that it is possible 
IMO that every person who experiences the subjective experience that they call 
enlightenment is experiencing a *different* experience or set of experiences. 
They may have some similarities with what others claim to experience and call 
enlightenment, but essentially they'll all be different, even though the 
claimants CLAIM that they're all the same. 

If I feel like commenting more after reading the essay, I will. If not, the 
above can stand as my take on enlightenment. I think it's an OK experience, 
as experiences go, but no more important or special than any other 
experience. The attempt to claim otherwise is IMO *always* an attempt to sell 
somebody something -- whether that something be a technique or membership in 
some supposedly special or elite lineage or group. 




 From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 10:36 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS [1 Attachment]
 


  
[Attachment(s) from anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] included below]
ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS

Some days ago emptybill posted (Lightmint vs EEG Claptrap) a quote by James 
Swartz. After poking around for a while I found this fellow's web site. Just 
after I came on FFL in 2011, yuxifero also responded to a post I had made with 
a link to his site. Swartz had written a book called 'How to Attain 
Enlightenment'. I do not think I followed up on that. But I did find a sample 
chapter from that book a few days ago titled 'What is Enlightenment'. This was 
really interesting as it is an attempt to explain enlightenment from the 
viewpoint of Advaita Vedanta. Of special interest to me was a series of 
discussions he called 'enlightenment myths'. I have attached that sample 
chapter to this post but would like to make brief mention of the discussions in 
it.

It is divided into several sections, but most interest were the sub headings of 
the enlightenment myths. As you read these you might notice that these myths 
cover just about everything we find in the TM scheme, and in many other 
traditions as well. Swartz has a very sharp intellect and handles most of his 
discussion well, and takes apart these ideas one by one. Reminds me of Curtis, 
(and even Robin, were he not off the deep end - this is now Robin might sound 
if he knew what he was talking about, and was not trying to exorcise everybody, 
and trying to convince us he was also at one time, enlightened, but not now).

1. The Path of Experience
2. The Path of Knowledge
3. The Value of a Means of Knowledge
4. Enlightenment Myths
     a. No Mind, Blank Mind, Empty Mind, Stopped Mind
     b. No Ego, Ego Death
     c. Nirvana
     d. The Now
     e. Experience of Oneness
     f. Transcendental State
     g. Enlightenment as Eternal Bliss
     h. Levels of Enlightenment
     i. Enlightenment as Special Status
     j. Enlightenment as Energy
     k. Fulfillment of All Desires

I think Barry might like this essay because it undermines the idea of 
enlightenment as giving anyone some special kind of something that makes them, 
well, holier than thou. Barry might disagree with the idea Swartz has about 
enlightenment being 'real'. I think this is as one of the finest essays on 
enlightenment I have ever read.

Maharishi did talk of the path of experience and the path of knowledge, but the 
path of knowledge seems to have gotten buried in the TMO in favour of the path 
of experience, and especially devotion to guru as time went on. Swartz 
basically says the path of experience (meditation etc.) helps clear the way for 
enlightenment, but does not in fact result in it. At any rate I find this essay 
a refreshing counter to the TMO's increasing descent into endarkenment.

Re: [FairfieldLife] ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

As a followup, although I recognize that it is well and clearly written, I 
couldn't make my way through it. Too many notes, to quote the film Amadeus. 


But then, I tend to believe that talking about enlightenment is a lot like 
watching porn and believing that you're having sex. My bad. 




 From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
 


  
Thanks for posting this, Anartaxius. I have successfully downloaded the 
attachment, and will try to read it later today or later this weekend, when I 
have time to do so, and will comment if I feel I have comments to make. 


For now, I will say that I agree with his list of myths about enlightenment, 
and agree with the basic principle that they ARE myths. I do NOT hold that what 
people have called enlightenment does not exist. I believe it does, but that 
it is a purely subjective experience that 1) defies description, 2) defies 
categorization or hierarchization, 3) is no better or higher than any other 
experience, and 4) may not be duplicatible. By #4 I mean that it is possible 
IMO that every person who experiences the subjective experience that they call 
enlightenment is experiencing a *different* experience or set of experiences. 
They may have some similarities with what others claim to experience and call 
enlightenment, but essentially they'll all be different, even though the 
claimants CLAIM that they're all the same. 

If I feel like commenting more after reading the essay, I will. If not, the 
above can stand as my take on enlightenment. I think it's an OK experience, 
as experiences go, but no more important or special than any other 
experience. The attempt to claim otherwise is IMO *always* an attempt to sell 
somebody something -- whether that something be a technique or membership in 
some supposedly special or elite lineage or group. 






 From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 10:36 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS [1 Attachment]
 


  
[Attachment(s) from anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] included below] 
ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS

Some days ago emptybill posted (Lightmint vs EEG Claptrap) a quote by James 
Swartz. After poking around for a while I found this fellow's web site. Just 
after I came on FFL in 2011, yuxifero also responded to a post I had made with 
a link to his site. Swartz had written a book called 'How to Attain 
Enlightenment'. I do not think I followed up on that. But I did find a sample 
chapter from that book a few days ago titled 'What is Enlightenment'. This was 
really interesting as it is an attempt to explain enlightenment from the 
viewpoint of Advaita Vedanta. Of special interest to me was a series of 
discussions he called 'enlightenment myths'. I have attached that sample 
chapter to this post but would like to make brief mention of the discussions in 
it.

It is divided into several sections, but most interest were the sub headings of 
the enlightenment myths. As you read these you might notice that these myths 
cover just about everything we find in the TM scheme, and in many other 
traditions as well. Swartz has a very sharp intellect and handles most of his 
discussion well, and takes apart these ideas one by one. Reminds me of Curtis, 
(and even Robin, were he not off the deep end - this is now Robin might sound 
if he knew what he was talking about, and was not trying to exorcise everybody, 
and trying to convince us he was also at one time, enlightened, but not now).

1. The Path of Experience
2. The Path of Knowledge
3. The Value of a Means of Knowledge
4. Enlightenment Myths
     a. No Mind, Blank Mind, Empty Mind, Stopped Mind
     b. No Ego, Ego Death
     c. Nirvana
     d. The Now
     e. Experience of Oneness
     f. Transcendental State
     g. Enlightenment as Eternal Bliss
     h. Levels of Enlightenment
     i. Enlightenment as Special Status
     j. Enlightenment as Energy
     k. Fulfillment of All Desires

I think Barry might like this essay because it undermines the idea of 
enlightenment as giving anyone some special kind of something that makes them, 
well, holier than thou. Barry might disagree with the idea Swartz has about 
enlightenment being 'real'. I think this is as one of the finest essays on 
enlightenment I have ever read.

Maharishi did talk of the path of experience and the path of knowledge, but the 
path of knowledge seems to have gotten buried in the TMO in favour of the path 
of experience, and especially devotion to guru as time went on. Swartz 
basically says the path of experience (meditation etc.) helps clear the way for 
enlightenment, but does not in fact result in it. At any rate I find this essay

Re: [FairfieldLife] ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Watch a lot of porn, do you, Barry? Real sex, like real enlightenment, is much 
preferred. Please, take my word for it.:-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 As a followup, although I recognize that it is well and clearly written, I 
couldn't make my way through it. Too many notes, to quote the film Amadeus. 

 

 But then, I tend to believe that talking about enlightenment is a lot like 
watching porn and believing that you're having sex. My bad. 

 

 From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 10:16 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
 
 
   Thanks for posting this, Anartaxius. I have successfully downloaded the 
attachment, and will try to read it later today or later this weekend, when I 
have time to do so, and will comment if I feel I have comments to make. 

 

 For now, I will say that I agree with his list of myths about enlightenment, 
and agree with the basic principle that they ARE myths. I do NOT hold that what 
people have called enlightenment does not exist. I believe it does, but that 
it is a purely subjective experience that 1) defies description, 2) defies 
categorization or hierarchization, 3) is no better or higher than any other 
experience, and 4) may not be duplicatible. By #4 I mean that it is possible 
IMO that every person who experiences the subjective experience that they call 
enlightenment is experiencing a *different* experience or set of experiences. 
They may have some similarities with what others claim to experience and call 
enlightenment, but essentially they'll all be different, even though the 
claimants CLAIM that they're all the same. 
 

 If I feel like commenting more after reading the essay, I will. If not, the 
above can stand as my take on enlightenment. I think it's an OK experience, 
as experiences go, but no more important or special than any other 
experience. The attempt to claim otherwise is IMO *always* an attempt to sell 
somebody something -- whether that something be a technique or membership in 
some supposedly special or elite lineage or group. 

 

 


 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 10:36 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS [1 Attachment]
 
 
   [Attachment(s) 
https://us-mg5.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=0b8m3ft1a6o9h#TopText from 
anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] included below] ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
 

 Some days ago emptybill posted (Lightmint vs EEG Claptrap) a quote by James 
Swartz. After poking around for a while I found this fellow's web site. Just 
after I came on FFL in 2011, yuxifero also responded to a post I had made with 
a link to his site. Swartz had written a book called 'How to Attain 
Enlightenment'. I do not think I followed up on that. But I did find a sample 
chapter from that book a few days ago titled 'What is Enlightenment'. This was 
really interesting as it is an attempt to explain enlightenment from the 
viewpoint of Advaita Vedanta. Of special interest to me was a series of 
discussions he called 'enlightenment myths'. I have attached that sample 
chapter to this post but would like to make brief mention of the discussions in 
it.
 

 It is divided into several sections, but most interest were the sub headings 
of the enlightenment myths. As you read these you might notice that these myths 
cover just about everything we find in the TM scheme, and in many other 
traditions as well. Swartz has a very sharp intellect and handles most of his 
discussion well, and takes apart these ideas one by one. Reminds me of Curtis, 
(and even Robin, were he not off the deep end - this is now Robin might sound 
if he knew what he was talking about, and was not trying to exorcise everybody, 
and trying to convince us he was also at one time, enlightened, but not now).
 

 1. The Path of Experience
 2. The Path of Knowledge
 3. The Value of a Means of Knowledge
 4. Enlightenment Myths
  a. No Mind, Blank Mind, Empty Mind, Stopped Mind
  b. No Ego, Ego Death
  c. Nirvana
  d. The Now
  e. Experience of Oneness
  f. Transcendental State
  g. Enlightenment as Eternal Bliss
  h. Levels of Enlightenment
  i. Enlightenment as Special Status
  j. Enlightenment as Energy
  k. Fulfillment of All Desires
 

 I think Barry might like this essay because it undermines the idea of 
enlightenment as giving anyone some special kind of something that makes them, 
well, holier than thou. Barry might disagree with the idea Swartz has about 
enlightenment being 'real'. I think this is as one of the finest essays on 
enlightenment I have ever read.
 

 
 Maharishi did talk of the path of experience and the path of knowledge, but 
the path of knowledge seems to have gotten buried in the TMO in favour of the 
path

Re: [FairfieldLife] ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I would have at least skimmed the essay. Peter Schaffer's screenplay (based on 
his stage version) of Amadeus portrays Emperor Joseph II, who spoke the words 
'too many notes', as somewhat of a dilettante as far as music, in fact he could 
not come up with those words, having been prompted by one of his lackeys. 
Mozart did write a lot of notes, though no denser than his contemporaries, but 
played more when he played the piano, improvising, especially in repeated 
passages, elaborating the musical line. He wrote out examples of this for his 
students, showing them how to vary what was on the written page to make a 
performance more interesting. Well, I like Mozart. You like Bruce Cockburn (too 
few notes, but very nice). 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 As a followup, although I recognize that it is well and clearly written, I 
couldn't make my way through it. Too many notes, to quote the film Amadeus. 

 

 But then, I tend to believe that talking about enlightenment is a lot like 
watching porn and believing that you're having sex. My bad.

 

 I suppose talking about enlightenment is best for those who have a natural 
inclination to tell people about it, and a situation arises that supports that 
inclination. For a while I wanted to talk about it, mainly to clarify what was 
going on intellectually in my head, but that tendency seems to be fading. Most 
of the talk on FFL is not about enlightenment but about the people who have 
intersected with that idea and became fucked up.
 

 From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 10:16 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
 
 
   Thanks for posting this, Anartaxius. I have successfully downloaded the 
attachment, and will try to read it later today or later this weekend, when I 
have time to do so, and will comment if I feel I have comments to make. 

 

 For now, I will say that I agree with his list of myths about enlightenment, 
and agree with the basic principle that they ARE myths. I do NOT hold that what 
people have called enlightenment does not exist. I believe it does, but that 
it is a purely subjective experience that 1) defies description, 2) defies 
categorization or hierarchization, 3) is no better or higher than any other 
experience, and 4) may not be duplicatible. By #4 I mean that it is possible 
IMO that every person who experiences the subjective experience that they call 
enlightenment is experiencing a *different* experience or set of experiences. 
They may have some similarities with what others claim to experience and call 
enlightenment, but essentially they'll all be different, even though the 
claimants CLAIM that they're all the same. 
 

 If I feel like commenting more after reading the essay, I will. If not, the 
above can stand as my take on enlightenment. I think it's an OK experience, 
as experiences go, but no more important or special than any other 
experience. The attempt to claim otherwise is IMO *always* an attempt to sell 
somebody something -- whether that something be a technique or membership in 
some supposedly special or elite lineage or group. 

 

 


 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 10:36 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS [1 Attachment]
 
 
   [Attachment(s) 
https://us-mg5.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=0b8m3ft1a6o9h#TopText from 
anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] included below] ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
 

 Some days ago emptybill posted (Lightmint vs EEG Claptrap) a quote by James 
Swartz. After poking around for a while I found this fellow's web site. Just 
after I came on FFL in 2011, yuxifero also responded to a post I had made with 
a link to his site. Swartz had written a book called 'How to Attain 
Enlightenment'. I do not think I followed up on that. But I did find a sample 
chapter from that book a few days ago titled 'What is Enlightenment'. This was 
really interesting as it is an attempt to explain enlightenment from the 
viewpoint of Advaita Vedanta. Of special interest to me was a series of 
discussions he called 'enlightenment myths'. I have attached that sample 
chapter to this post but would like to make brief mention of the discussions in 
it.
 

 It is divided into several sections, but most interest were the sub headings 
of the enlightenment myths. As you read these you might notice that these myths 
cover just about everything we find in the TM scheme, and in many other 
traditions as well. Swartz has a very sharp intellect and handles most of his 
discussion well, and takes apart these ideas one by one. Reminds me of Curtis, 
(and even Robin, were he not off the deep end - this is now Robin might sound 
if he knew what he was talking about, and was not trying to exorcise everybody, 
and trying to convince

Re: [FairfieldLife] ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Barry appears to have the attention span of a gnat. I suspect that may be why 
he developed such an obsessive hatred of Robin. Here were others reading 
Robin's posts with interest and understanding, and Barry couldn't get past the 
first few lines. Made him feel inadequate. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 As a followup, although I recognize that it is well and clearly written, I 
couldn't make my way through it. Too many notes, to quote the film Amadeus. 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I would say Barry disliked Robin. Obsessive hatred seems a little extreme. 
Barry doesn't like long sprawling tracts of text, Robin's speciality, and he 
seems to have a very short fuse with people who think of themselves excessively 
or put on airs. I did not care for Robin's writing style either. I consider 
Robin's writing obfuscatory rather than illuminating. He was not out to 
explain, I think he used his skills to entrap rather than to free. He has a 
shorter attention span than I do. But much longer than a gnat. He does write 
some long posts, and they usually stay on topic, even if those who read them do 
not like what he says. I do not always like what he says, but that is my 
reaction to certain things.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

 Barry appears to have the attention span of a gnat. I suspect that may be why 
he developed such an obsessive hatred of Robin. Here were others reading 
Robin's posts with interest and understanding, and Barry couldn't get past the 
first few lines. Made him feel inadequate. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 As a followup, although I recognize that it is well and clearly written, I 
couldn't make my way through it. Too many notes, to quote the film Amadeus. 

 




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I consider Xeno's views of both Barry and Robin to be so biased--one pro, the 
other con--as to be twisted. It did take a bit of effort to read some of 
Robin's posts, but they weren't obfuscatory or intended to entrap, nor was 
he putting on airs. (That's the twisted part.) I think Xeno had problems 
similar to Barry's in reading Robin's posts, and this made him feel inadequate 
and resentful as well. 

 How Xeno can see anything less than the purest hatred in Barry's obsessive 
comments about Robin, I can't imagine. But then Xeno has been angling for 
strokes from Barry for quite some time now.
 

 

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

 I would say Barry disliked Robin. Obsessive hatred seems a little extreme. 
Barry doesn't like long sprawling tracts of text, Robin's speciality, and he 
seems to have a very short fuse with people who think of themselves excessively 
or put on airs. I did not care for Robin's writing style either. I consider 
Robin's writing obfuscatory rather than illuminating. He was not out to 
explain, I think he used his skills to entrap rather than to free. He has a 
shorter attention span than I do. But much longer than a gnat. He does write 
some long posts, and they usually stay on topic, even if those who read them do 
not like what he says. I do not always like what he says, but that is my 
reaction to certain things.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

 Barry appears to have the attention span of a gnat. I suspect that may be why 
he developed such an obsessive hatred of Robin. Here were others reading 
Robin's posts with interest and understanding, and Barry couldn't get past the 
first few lines. Made him feel inadequate. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 As a followup, although I recognize that it is well and clearly written, I 
couldn't make my way through it. Too many notes, to quote the film Amadeus. 

 




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred

[Share Long]

Richard, just to set the record straight, I didn't write that sentence about 
enlightenment. Judy did.





On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:22 PM, Richard J. Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
On 2/11/2014 10:35 AM, Share Long wrote:

It imposes a delusionary experience of oneself, of the world, and of one's 
relationship to God.

In the Advaita Vedanta which Robin practiced it is the ego that is
the delusion, but this delusion was not caused by God, but by Maya
through prakriti and the gunas born of nature. When the ego is
subsumed there is a lifting of the veil, an awakening from the dream
of illusion. This follows the typology of the seven states of
consciousness purported by MMY. So, it may have been difficult at
times for Robin to adopt the theistic view after having immersed
himself in non-theistic non-dualism. According to Robin, at the time
of his enlightenment he experienced all these boundaries of
perception dissolving.

Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred

[Share Long]

Richard, again setting the record straight: I did not write that sentence about 
enlightenment. Judy did.





On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:13 PM, Richard J. Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
On 2/11/2014 10:35 AM, Share Long wrote:

Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the real, 
genuine state of enlightenment.

All religious systems seem to come from the East, except Mormonism,
which seems to have sprung from the mind of Moroni. 

But, the enlightenment tradition in India was founded by the
historical Buddha. The notion of enlightenment in Yoga seems to be
restricted to South Asia. According to Mircea Eliade, the Ascetic
methods and techniques of ecstasy are documented among the other
Indo-European peoples, to say nothing of the other peoples of Asia,
whereas Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced
by Indian spirituality.

Reference:

'Myths and Symbols in India Art and Civilization'
by Heinrich Zimmer
Edited by Joseph Campbell
Bolingen Series, Princeton U.

Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred

[Richard J. Williams]

On 2/12/2014 7:00 AM, Share Long wrote:
 Richard, again setting the record straight: I did not write that 
 sentence about enlightenment. Judy did.
 
All that matters in discussing Robin's enlightenment is what Robin said 
about his own experience:

And then I as if woke up. The spell was broken. I knew myself to have 
always existed. All my suffering, all my strivings, time, space, 
personal history was but a dream. There had never been anything but the 
light of consciousness. I had never been born nor would I ever die. - 
Robin Carlsen

Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred

[Richard J. Williams]

On 2/12/2014 6:58 AM, Share Long wrote:
 Richard, just to set the record straight, I didn't write that sentence 
 about enlightenment. Judy did.
 
That's what I'm talking about.

Robin said: Something disappeared forever, and I later came to know 
what that was. Something continued to form the apparent boundaries of 
Robin but the ego that had previously had so much to say about my 
sensation and experience of the world was now the individuated 
expression of what was the unmanifest reality of God.

Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred

[Richard J. Williams]

On 2/11/2014 9:32 AM, Share Long wrote:
 To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of 
 human development.
 
The state of enlightenment is like a waking up to reality. You wake up 
from a dream state or from a deluded state of consciousness. Robin's, 
experience of enlightenment consisted of a waking up to the insight 
that he had always existed and that all his suffering, all his striving, 
his time and space, and even his personal history was just a dream. In 
a flash, Robin realized that there had never been anything but the 
light of consciousness.

Like Lord Krishna, Robin the person had never been born nor would he 
ever die. That is when Robin's ego disappeared forever and his soul 
individuated into an expression of the unmanifested God. At that 
moment, Robin had reached enlightenment, an awakening. According to MMY, 
Robin Carlsen was the first governor of the Age of Enlightenment.

Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred

[Share Long]

Richard, what do you think these 2 sentences of Judy mean:

Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the real, 
genuine state of enlightenment.
...It 
imposes a delusionary experience of oneself, of the world, and of one's 
relationship to God.





On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:25 AM, Richard J. Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
On 2/11/2014 9:32 AM, Share Long wrote:
 To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of 
 human development.

The state of enlightenment is like a waking up to reality. You wake up 
from a dream state or from a deluded state of consciousness. Robin's, 
experience of enlightenment consisted of a waking up to the insight 
that he had always existed and that all his suffering, all his striving, 
his time and space, and even his personal history was just a dream. In 
a flash, Robin realized that there had never been anything but the 
light of consciousness.

Like Lord Krishna, Robin the person had never been born nor would he 
ever die. That is when Robin's ego disappeared forever and his soul 
individuated into an expression of the unmanifested God. At that 
moment, Robin had reached enlightenment, an awakening. According to MMY, 
Robin Carlsen was the first governor of the Age of Enlightenment.

Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 Richard, what do you think these 2 sentences of Judy mean:
 Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the real, 
genuine state of enlightenment.
 ...It imposes a delusionary experience of oneself, of the world, and of one's 
relationship to God.
 

 Am I the only one here who thinks arguing about enlightenment is a waste of 
time? Sometimes I think Share just does this to create problems. Like here for 
example, she knows exactly where this is going to lead.

 

 
 
 On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:25 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... 
wrote:
 
   On 2/11/2014 9:32 AM, Share Long wrote:
  To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of 
  human development.
 
 The state of enlightenment is like a waking up to reality. You wake up 
 from a dream state or from a deluded state of consciousness. Robin's, 
 experience of enlightenment consisted of a waking up to the insight 
 that he had always existed and that all his suffering, all his striving, 
 his time and space, and even his personal history was just a dream. In 
 a flash, Robin realized that there had never been anything but the 
 light of consciousness.
 
 Like Lord Krishna, Robin the person had never been born nor would he 
 ever die. That is when Robin's ego disappeared forever and his soul 
 individuated into an expression of the unmanifested God. At that 
 moment, Robin had reached enlightenment, an awakening. According to MMY, 
 Robin Carlsen was the first governor of the Age of Enlightenment.


 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred

[authfriend]

Share, Richard doesn't know from shit what they mean. He'll just blab whatever 
comes to mind. And I've already explained, umpty times now, what I mean by 
them, as has Ann. Pretty silly to ask someone else.
 

  Richard, what do you think these 2 sentences of Judy mean: 
 
 Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the real, 
genuine state of enlightenment.
 ...It imposes a delusionary experience of oneself, of the world, and of one's 
relationship to God.

 

 
 
 On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:25 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... 
wrote:
 
   On 2/11/2014 9:32 AM, Share Long wrote:
  To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of 
  human development.
 
 The state of enlightenment is like a waking up to reality. You wake up 
 from a dream state or from a deluded state of consciousness. Robin's, 
 experience of enlightenment consisted of a waking up to the insight 
 that he had always existed and that all his suffering, all his striving, 
 his time and space, and even his personal history was just a dream. In 
 a flash, Robin realized that there had never been anything but the 
 light of consciousness.
 
 Like Lord Krishna, Robin the person had never been born nor would he 
 ever die. That is when Robin's ego disappeared forever and his soul 
 individuated into an expression of the unmanifested God. At that 
 moment, Robin had reached enlightenment, an awakening. According to MMY, 
 Robin Carlsen was the first governor of the Age of Enlightenment.


 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred

[Share Long]

Judy, I was asking him to explain in the context of what he had written. And I 
found his dream analogy useful. 





On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:25 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Share, Richard doesn't know from shit what they mean. He'll just blab whatever 
comes to mind. And I've already explained, umpty times now, what I mean by 
them, as has Ann. Pretty silly to ask someone else.

 Richard, what do you think these 2 sentences of Judy mean: 


Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the real, 
genuine state of enlightenment.
...It
imposes a delusionary experience of oneself, of the world, and of one's
relationship to God.





On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:25 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... 
wrote:

 
On 2/11/2014 9:32 AM, Share Long wrote:
 To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of 
 human development.

The state of enlightenment is like a waking up to reality. You wake up 
from a dream state or from a deluded state of consciousness. Robin's, 
experience of enlightenment consisted of a waking up to the insight 
that he had always existed and that all his suffering, all his striving, 
his time and space, and even his personal history was just a dream. In 
a flash, Robin realized that there had never been anything but the 
light of consciousness.

Like Lord Krishna, Robin the person had never been born nor would he 
ever die. That is when Robin's ego disappeared forever and his soul 
individuated into an expression of the unmanifested God. At that 
moment, Robin had reached enlightenment, an awakening. According to MMY, 
Robin Carlsen was the first governor of the Age of Enlightenment.

Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred

[Richard J. Williams]

On 2/11/2014 10:35 AM, Share Long wrote:
Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the 
real, genuine state of enlightenment.


All religious systems seem to come from the East, except Mormonism, 
which seems to have sprung from the mind of Moroni.


But, the enlightenment tradition in India was founded by the 
historical Buddha. The notion of enlightenment in Yoga seems to be 
restricted to South Asia. According to Mircea Eliade, the Ascetic 
methods and techniques of ecstasy are documented among the other 
Indo-European peoples, to say nothing of the other peoples of Asia, 
whereas Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by 
Indian spirituality.


Reference:

'Myths and Symbols in India Art and Civilization'
by Heinrich Zimmer
Edited by Joseph Campbell
Bolingen Series, Princeton U.

Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred

[Richard J. Williams]

On 2/11/2014 10:35 AM, Share Long wrote:
It imposes a delusionary experience of oneself, of the world, and of 
one's relationship to God.


In the Advaita Vedanta which Robin practiced it is the ego that is the 
delusion, but this delusion was not caused by God, but by Maya through 
prakriti and the gunas born of nature. When the ego is subsumed there is 
a lifting of the veil, an awakening from the dream of illusion. This 
follows the typology of the seven states of consciousness purported by 
MMY. So, it may have been difficult at times for Robin to adopt the 
theistic view after having immersed himself in non-theistic non-dualism. 
According to Robin, at the time of his enlightenment he experienced all 
these boundaries of perception dissolving.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

[Share Long]

light and dark the yonder shores of each other, 
somewhere in the middle they meet, 
lost and found in the beauty of the other





 From: sound of stillness soundofstilln...@ymail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:35 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
 

  
morning light
abiding in the beauty
of yonder shore

Enlightenment. Is it . . .

Being in harmony with our own state of evolution. 

Each state of consciousness with its own reality, each inseparable yet distinct 
from one another. As night is from day.


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

[Share Long]

Carol me and many of my long term TM friends could care less if we're 
enlightened.  But I want to respond to your exchange with Emily about 
backpacking, walking the dog, etc.

I remember the first time I meditated in March 1975 I thought, oh, I've had 
this 
before.  It was very familiar to me.  From sometimes getting in the zone
 when I played sports.  Sometimes snoozing in the hammock in the backyard
 after work.  Sometimes from dancing to my favorite music.  Body surfing!  
Sometimes from
 marijuana.  And I definitely wanted that relaxed but alive experience 
in a natural way.  I think that's what I get with TM.  

I really like 
Maharishi's analogy for this:  meditating is like dipping a cloth in the dye 
where the cloth is your nervous system and the dye is Being or pure 
consciousness or what Doc calls Silence.  Then engaging in daily 
activity is like putting the cloth in the sun.  The color fades, but not 
completely.  What color is left after fading in the sun, that color is 
permanent.  Then dip in dye again, then fade again, over and over until 
one day the color is totally permanent.  Being or Silence is permanently 
experienced along with all other states.  Maharishi calls it restful 
alertness and for me that phrase captures its quality of being both settled and 
potentially full of activity.   

I'd say practicing TM makes the whole process not necessarily faster but more 
reliable.  




 From: Carol jchwe...@gmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:45 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
 

  
I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
have the Silence permeate other areas of your life. 

And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
Enlightenment?

Thanks!

PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment: 
It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being grounded 
in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in Silenc 
within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. The Silence 
within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, 
huh?:-)
He stated that here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754

***


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

[Michael Jackson]

Oh Share I love this! I wish I could see Bob Roth and his TMO buddies response 
to the statement that TM transcending thru TM and smoking pot sometimes give 
the same experience! Thanks for posting this!





 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
 

  
Carol me and many of my long term TM friends could care less if we're 
enlightened.  But I want to respond to your exchange with Emily about 
backpacking, walking the dog, etc.

I remember the first time I meditated in March 1975 I thought, oh, I've had 
this 
before.  It was very familiar to me.  From sometimes getting in the zone
 when I played sports.  Sometimes snoozing in the hammock in the backyard
 after work.  Sometimes from dancing to my favorite music.  Body surfing!  
Sometimes from
 marijuana.  And I definitely wanted that relaxed but alive experience 
in a natural way.  I think that's what I get with TM.  

I really like 
Maharishi's analogy for this:  meditating is like dipping a cloth in the dye 
where the cloth is your nervous system and the dye is Being or pure 
consciousness or what Doc calls Silence.  Then engaging in daily 
activity is like putting the cloth in the sun.  The color fades, but not 
completely.  What color is left after fading in the sun, that color is 
permanent.  Then dip in dye again, then fade again, over and over until 
one day the color is totally permanent.  Being or Silence is permanently 
experienced along with all other states.  Maharishi calls it restful 
alertness and for me that phrase captures its quality of being both settled and 
potentially full of activity.   

I'd say practicing TM makes the whole process not necessarily faster but more 
reliable.  




 From: Carol jchwe...@gmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:45 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
 

  
I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
have the Silence permeate other areas of your life. 

And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
Enlightenment?

Thanks!

PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment: 
It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being grounded 
in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in Silenc 
within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. The Silence 
within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, 
huh?:-)
He stated that here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754

***




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

[Share Long]

dear MJ, silly boy, you know that's not what I meant.  Anyway, I'm not a gov so 
probably I got something wrong.  And I did fall on the ice this morning so 
maybe vata is very vitiated.  I'm just sayin.  But hey, if you're happy, I'm 
happy (-:

BTW, I just made it across the verges, across the sidewalks, across the street 
and to my car which is now ice free.  Next, a trip to the grocery store.  I'm 
so brave!  





 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
 

  
Oh Share I love this! I wish I could see Bob Roth and his TMO buddies response 
to the statement that TM transcending thru TM and smoking pot sometimes give 
the same experience! Thanks for posting this!





 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
 

  
Carol me and many of my long term TM friends could care less if we're 
enlightened.  But I want to respond to your exchange with Emily about 
backpacking, walking the dog, etc.

I remember the first time I meditated in March 1975 I thought, oh, I've had 
this 
before.  It was very familiar to me.  From sometimes getting in the zone
 when I played sports.  Sometimes snoozing in the hammock in the backyard
 after work.  Sometimes from dancing to my favorite music.  Body surfing!  
Sometimes from
 marijuana.  And I definitely wanted that relaxed but alive experience 
in a natural way.  I think that's what I get with TM.  

I really like 
Maharishi's analogy for this:  meditating is like dipping a cloth in the dye 
where the cloth is your nervous system and the dye is Being or pure 
consciousness or what Doc calls Silence.  Then engaging in daily 
activity is like putting the cloth in the sun.  The color fades, but not 
completely.  What color is left after fading in the sun, that color is 
permanent.  Then dip in dye again, then fade again, over and over until 
one day the color is totally permanent.  Being or Silence is permanently 
experienced along with all other states.  Maharishi calls it restful 
alertness and for me that phrase captures its quality of being both settled and 
potentially full of activity.   

I'd say practicing TM makes the whole process not necessarily faster but more 
reliable.  




 From: Carol jchwe...@gmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:45 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
 

  
I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
have the Silence permeate other areas of your life. 

And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
Enlightenment?

Thanks!

PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment: 
It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being grounded 
in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in Silenc 
within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. The Silence 
within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds crazy, 
huh?:-)
He stated that here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754

***






 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

[Bhairitu]

On 01/27/2013 10:45 AM, Carol wrote:
 I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
 have the Silence permeate other areas of your life.

 And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
 Enlightenment?

 Thanks!

 PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment:
 It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
 grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in 
 Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. The 
 Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds 
 crazy, huh?:-)
 He stated that here: 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754

 ***




I think that Maharishi really confused his followers by giving them the 
idea there was these plateaus.  And if these plateaus weren't achieved 
you are not enlightened.  But go to India and they will tell you if that 
inner silence doesn't go away after meditation you are well on the road 
of enlightenment.  On the road because it is an ongrowing experience.

About two years after learning TM I found that I wasn't really coming 
out of meditation as the state stayed with me.  After a while it is 
like the self doesn't exist unless it is drawn attention to by some 
demand (like a tax collector).  I think many meditators thought that 
enlightenment was going to be a big flashy thing with all kinds of 
lights auras and very powerful.  What they often describe would be 
something that would leave a person unable to interact in daily life. 
They would be sitting in a chair dazzled as if on LSD.

Instead it is that vast inner silence that permeates everything and is 
very grounding.  And it doesn't stop there.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

[Michael Jackson]

That is a pretty cool description - if you don't mind my asking as a relative 
newcomer to FFL - did you learn TM in India or the US?





 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
 

  
On 01/27/2013 10:45 AM, Carol wrote:
 I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
 have the Silence permeate other areas of your life.

 And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
 Enlightenment?

 Thanks!

 PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment:
 It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
 grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in 
 Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. The 
 Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds 
 crazy, huh?:-)
 He stated that here: 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754

 ***




I think that Maharishi really confused his followers by giving them the 
idea there was these plateaus.  And if these plateaus weren't achieved 
you are not enlightened.  But go to India and they will tell you if that 
inner silence doesn't go away after meditation you are well on the road 
of enlightenment.  On the road because it is an ongrowing experience.

About two years after learning TM I found that I wasn't really coming 
out of meditation as the state stayed with me.  After a while it is 
like the self doesn't exist unless it is drawn attention to by some 
demand (like a tax collector).  I think many meditators thought that 
enlightenment was going to be a big flashy thing with all kinds of 
lights auras and very powerful.  What they often describe would be 
something that would leave a person unable to interact in daily life. 
They would be sitting in a chair dazzled as if on LSD.

Instead it is that vast inner silence that permeates everything and is 
very grounding.  And it doesn't stop there.


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words to bhairitu

[Share Long]

Around MIU in the late 70s I always heard that flash is trash, not something to 
be sought.  I've noticed that flash tends to happen more with those who did 
LSD.  Which I did not.  And I never heard Maharishi talk about plateaus.  
Anyway, with practice of the sidhis, the silence I've noticed can be leaning a 
little more towards liveliness than towards pure silence.  Which I also 
associate with Purusha so maybe more likely for a guy.  Or more likely for 
kapha types?   


Anyway, silence is not to be tried for.  Nor is it useful to try and get deep.  
My understanding is that from CC to GC the depth comes up to the surface.  
Pointless to try and feel deep in or out of meditation.  Actually counter 
productive.  




 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
 

  
On 01/27/2013 10:45 AM, Carol wrote:
 I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
 have the Silence permeate other areas of your life.

 And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
 Enlightenment?

 Thanks!

 PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment:
 It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
 grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in 
 Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. The 
 Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. Sounds 
 crazy, huh?:-)
 He stated that here: 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754

 ***




I think that Maharishi really confused his followers by giving them the 
idea there was these plateaus.  And if these plateaus weren't achieved 
you are not enlightened.  But go to India and they will tell you if that 
inner silence doesn't go away after meditation you are well on the road 
of enlightenment.  On the road because it is an ongrowing experience.

About two years after learning TM I found that I wasn't really coming 
out of meditation as the state stayed with me.  After a while it is 
like the self doesn't exist unless it is drawn attention to by some 
demand (like a tax collector).  I think many meditators thought that 
enlightenment was going to be a big flashy thing with all kinds of 
lights auras and very powerful.  What they often describe would be 
something that would leave a person unable to interact in daily life. 
They would be sitting in a chair dazzled as if on LSD.

Instead it is that vast inner silence that permeates everything and is 
very grounding.  And it doesn't stop there.


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words

[Bhairitu]

In the US.  I didn't get to India until 1996.

On 01/27/2013 12:24 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
 That is a pretty cool description - if you don't mind my asking as a relative 
 newcomer to FFL - did you learn TM in India or the US?




 
   From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 3:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
   


 On 01/27/2013 10:45 AM, Carol wrote:
 I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
 have the Silence permeate other areas of your life.

 And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
 Enlightenment?

 Thanks!

 PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment:
 It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
 grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in 
 Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. The 
 Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. 
 Sounds crazy, huh?:-)
 He stated that here: 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754

 ***



 I think that Maharishi really confused his followers by giving them the
 idea there was these plateaus.  And if these plateaus weren't achieved
 you are not enlightened.  But go to India and they will tell you if that
 inner silence doesn't go away after meditation you are well on the road
 of enlightenment.  On the road because it is an ongrowing experience.

 About two years after learning TM I found that I wasn't really coming
 out of meditation as the state stayed with me.  After a while it is
 like the self doesn't exist unless it is drawn attention to by some
 demand (like a tax collector).  I think many meditators thought that
 enlightenment was going to be a big flashy thing with all kinds of
 lights auras and very powerful.  What they often describe would be
 something that would leave a person unable to interact in daily life.
 They would be sitting in a chair dazzled as if on LSD.

 Instead it is that vast inner silence that permeates everything and is
 very grounding.  And it doesn't stop there.


   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words to bhairitu

[Bhairitu]

I have long said on FFL that one is on the road to enlightenment as soon 
as they stop being so concerned (or obsessed) about it. But I am also 
perplexed about people who have practiced meditation for years but say 
they've only had one or two clear experiences of transcending.  I also 
think that many people were so confused about CC, GC, UC and BC that 
they might miss they developed some inner silence that is growing daily. 
Often some advaita exercises will make them aware of it.

In other paths it's just called moksha and no levels to it. Obsessing 
about different levels is just a distraction and impediment.

On 01/27/2013 12:37 PM, Share Long wrote:
 Around MIU in the late 70s I always heard that flash is trash, not something 
 to be sought.  I've noticed that flash tends to happen more with those who 
 did LSD.  Which I did not.  And I never heard Maharishi talk about plateaus.  
 Anyway, with practice of the sidhis, the silence I've noticed can be leaning 
 a little more towards liveliness than towards pure silence.  Which I also 
 associate with Purusha so maybe more likely for a guy.  Or more likely for 
 kapha types?


 Anyway, silence is not to be tried for.  Nor is it useful to try and get 
 deep.  My understanding is that from CC to GC the depth comes up to the 
 surface.  Pointless to try and feel deep in or out of meditation.  Actually 
 counter productive.



 
   From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment...in your own words
   


 On 01/27/2013 10:45 AM, Carol wrote:
 I'm curious to hear/read different folks descriptions of what it is like to 
 have the Silence permeate other areas of your life.

 And why is this state of grounded in the self and permanent silence called 
 Enlightenment?

 Thanks!

 PS: Jim (doctordumbass) stated in his own words regarding Enlightenment:
 It is anything but a static state, first experienced as always being 
 grounded in the Self, or permanent silence. Once a person is established in 
 Silenc within, the enlightenment begins to infect everything else. The 
 Silence within can no longer be overshadowed, destroyed, or disrupted. 
 Sounds crazy, huh?:-)
 He stated that here: 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/333754

 ***



 I think that Maharishi really confused his followers by giving them the
 idea there was these plateaus.  And if these plateaus weren't achieved
 you are not enlightened.  But go to India and they will tell you if that
 inner silence doesn't go away after meditation you are well on the road
 of enlightenment.  On the road because it is an ongrowing experience.

 About two years after learning TM I found that I wasn't really coming
 out of meditation as the state stayed with me.  After a while it is
 like the self doesn't exist unless it is drawn attention to by some
 demand (like a tax collector).  I think many meditators thought that
 enlightenment was going to be a big flashy thing with all kinds of
 lights auras and very powerful.  What they often describe would be
 something that would leave a person unable to interact in daily life.
 They would be sitting in a chair dazzled as if on LSD.

 Instead it is that vast inner silence that permeates everything and is
 very grounding.  And it doesn't stop there.


   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

[Michael Jackson]

I love it!





 From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 1:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
 

  
A saw a healer, who I didn't realize was Hindu-based at the time and told me 
that if I didn't do my spiritual work, I'd reincarnate as a lower life form.  I 
asked her for an example - she said cat.  I said, I'm O.K. with that.   




 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
 

  
Thought I would offer this for purposes of discussion. These are my own 
beliefs at this time:


From the teachings or musings if you will of people like Eckhart
Tolle and Anita Moorjani, Adyashanti one has to believe that the whole thing
about enlightenment and the whole schtick that goes with it is complete made up
bullshit. 


Some meditation teachers like to teach that enlightenment is
something that is achievable in this lifetime, but in truth it is already here,
covered over by egoic perception. Maharishi was particularly prone to
promulgate this idea that enlightenment was something to precious and rare that
needed to be pursued, to be chased, and he and teachers like him do that to be
able to get more people to buy their nosturms. 


But evidently what we have called “enlightenment” is our
natural state must by virtue of being, just by being. You don’t have to go
anywhere or do anything to become this “state” of awareness or being, but just
be. It must mean that meditation and seeking will never lead to the experience 
of
enlightenment, and when most people talk about their enlightenment they are
referring to a fluctuating experience of consciousness.


This to me also means that the old Hindu stuff about having
to spend countless lifetimes as plants, bugs, animals and so forth until you 
“merit”
a human body is also complete made up bullshit. Why would the Infinite
Magnificence, the Unlimited Love that we are choose to do that? I can’t think
of a reason.


Any thoughts folks?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

[Emily Reyn]

A saw a healer, who I didn't realize was Hindu-based at the time and told me 
that if I didn't do my spiritual work, I'd reincarnate as a lower life form.  I 
asked her for an example - she said cat.  I said, I'm O.K. with that.   




 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
 

  
Thought I would offer this for purposes of discussion. These are my own 
beliefs at this time:


From the teachings or musings if you will of people like Eckhart
Tolle and Anita Moorjani, Adyashanti one has to believe that the whole thing
about enlightenment and the whole schtick that goes with it is complete made up
bullshit. 


Some meditation teachers like to teach that enlightenment is
something that is achievable in this lifetime, but in truth it is already here,
covered over by egoic perception. Maharishi was particularly prone to
promulgate this idea that enlightenment was something to precious and rare that
needed to be pursued, to be chased, and he and teachers like him do that to be
able to get more people to buy their nosturms. 


But evidently what we have called “enlightenment” is our
natural state must by virtue of being, just by being. You don’t have to go
anywhere or do anything to become this “state” of awareness or being, but just
be. It must mean that meditation and seeking will never lead to the experience 
of
enlightenment, and when most people talk about their enlightenment they are
referring to a fluctuating experience of consciousness.


This to me also means that the old Hindu stuff about having
to spend countless lifetimes as plants, bugs, animals and so forth until you 
“merit”
a human body is also complete made up bullshit. Why would the Infinite
Magnificence, the Unlimited Love that we are choose to do that? I can’t think
of a reason.


Any thoughts folks?
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment and freedom from mistakes

[Vaj]

On Apr 11, 2012, at 12:32 PM, sparaig wrote:

MMY used to claim that someone who was enlightened would be unable  
to make a mistake, or similar words. What did he mean?



He was talking about the difference between deluded perception and  
direct perception. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment and its relationship to buttons

[Vaj]

On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:22 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


For example, it's gotten me thinkin' about what my definition of an
enlightened being might be, were I to run into one. I have been  
able to

come up with only a couple of things I would look for. The first is
sense of humor, and an accompanying sense of delight in life. Call me
crazy, but I cannot conceive of enlightenment as lacking that quality.


I've told this story before, but a friend who was an advanced chi- 
kung practitioner was to make a journey to some remote region of  
China to attempt to receive teachings from a very widely respected  
master and to receive specific teachings. It was not known whether or  
not the teacher would even grant audience with him after the  
difficult journey, but after much difficulty he finally arrived and  
was told the teacher would see him in a couple of days.


At last the day arrived, but the teacher said we would need to see if  
the student was ready. So with some intrepidation my friend entered  
the interview room. The teacher said he only had one question for  
him: Do you know how to laugh at yourself?


It just happened our teacher had placed great emphasis on this and  
how to let the positive influence of laughter and smiling and  
openness circulate through the body as a preliminary to all  
practices. So without hesitation the master answered yes.


The teacher accepted him as his student and he received all the  
teachings he sought.


Laughter is so important an element of basic openness as to be  
considered indispensable.



The second is having the ability to resist having their emotional
buttons pushed easily, and reacting to that button-pushing by dropping
into reactive or samskaric mindstates.


We now know what's happening is many people when they become reactive  
they actually drop into the primitive reptilian part of the brain.  
Blood supply is shunted to the arms and legs and leaves the higher  
brain without the blood to think clearly. I see that happen a lot here.


The common place this happens is when there's great emotional stakes  
which a person perceives being high, and one is attached to a certain  
outcome or opinon. They'll drop right into that ole brainstem.


All the awakeners I know, will not and do not fall into this pattern.  
Even elements of surprise leave them undisturbed as if they were a  
calm unperturbable center. I've met several Dzogchen masters who  
would use this is an element of play with which to point out the  
Natural State.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment: Benefit or Disorder? (was nature of attachment)

[Vaj]

On Feb 14, 2009, at 1:06 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 I'm trying to pin down what the thinking is that
 leads people to do this -- announce their enlight-
 enment and then act as if the Big E gives them a
 Karmic Get Out Of Jail Free card, and that they no
 longer have any responsibility for their actions
 from that point onwards.


 From both a Buddhist/Abhidharma perspective and an Advaita Vedanta  
perspective it appears to be a confusion and/or failure to  
experientially grok the Two Truths, the relative and the absolute.  
It's quite common IME to see claimants of E. fall into extremes,  
i.e. become absolutists or nihilists. It is often what makes it clear  
they're holding a false view (of reality).

It's like having a booger on your face and bragging about how good  
looking you are.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment: Benefit or Disorder? (was nature of attachment)

[Bhairitu]

Vaj wrote:
 On Feb 14, 2009, at 1:06 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:

   
 I'm trying to pin down what the thinking is that
 leads people to do this -- announce their enlight-
 enment and then act as if the Big E gives them a
 Karmic Get Out Of Jail Free card, and that they no
 longer have any responsibility for their actions
 from that point onwards.
 


  From both a Buddhist/Abhidharma perspective and an Advaita Vedanta  
 perspective it appears to be a confusion and/or failure to  
 experientially grok the Two Truths, the relative and the absolute.  
 It's quite common IME to see claimants of E. fall into extremes,  
 i.e. become absolutists or nihilists. It is often what makes it clear  
 they're holding a false view (of reality).

 It's like having a booger on your face and bragging about how good  
 looking you are.
I think it is okay for people to say that they are experiencing 
enlightenment but stupid or wrong to say they are enlightened.  Most 
people who have working meditation techniques should be experiencing 
enlightenment.  They should be starting to see a bigger picture.  
Often that comprehension goes beyond the boundaries of the comprehension 
of the average person.  You might start seeing that many laws and morals 
were nothing but a form of mind programming to keep masses under 
control down through the centuries.  But if you point that out to the 
average individual who has not thought about it that way they think you 
are either crazy or dangerous.  :-D

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment by accident....

[Vaj]

It is a fascinating video that everyone should try to see. I've  
shared it with over half a dozen people and the response has been  
that it's very inspiring and uplifting and actually seems to give a  
great sense of hope to those who watch it. This same topic, of  
lateral shifts in brain dominance, is also one of great interest to  
meditation researchers.


On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:08 AM, Hugo wrote:




http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/25/fashion/25brain.html


The video is well worth a look for her descrition of the
experience and how it affects her still. Fascinating stuff.


http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/229

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment according to Lee Lozowick

[Vaj]

On Apr 16, 2008, at 1:38 PM, ispiritkin wrote:


I do take issue with his use of the word slavery.  Commitment to the
divine feels like the opposite of slavery to me, because slavery is
unwilling bondage.  My bond with the divine is a willing surrender
and a partnership.  Surrender also is volitional as opposed to
slavery which is forced.  He apparently felt pushed into his
commitment, where I feel like I am growing into mine.



I think it was the Western tantric Aleister Crowley who coined the  
phrase the slave-gods referring to the gods of Christianity, Islam  
and Judaism. Given what these religions require of their adherents I  
always found it quite accurate and spot on (of course it's often not  
something popular to point out...).


Not finding the idea of such an imaginary friend really all that  
helpful in my own life, I found this description of enlightenment  
quite bizarre and also way off. Why would I need an imaginary friend,  
a god, to be enlightened?


What about 'non-divine evolution'? Do the non-divine not evolve?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment occurs at the 6th chakra......MMY.

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Fairfield  p Life. They would be better  omitted or sent to one not on this 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment occurs at the 6th chakra......MMY.

[Peter]

Yes, I have been taking lessons from Turq and I do
like your post and sorry I'm such an inadequate human
beingI'll do more yogic sit-ups in the future.
When have you heard SSRS talk about this? This is
actually a great insight into many peoples' experience
of the confusion and fear that arises as pure
consciousness/Self shifts from a bound identification
and a self to a unlocalized Self. It takes some time
for the mind to shift in its thinking. I've heard this
expressed as old mental habits that change over time.
I've never heard it terms of very subtle physiology.
Great food for thought. I'd love to hear SSRS's exact
words...important guru speak here. 

--- billy jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 With all due respect, Peter, your reply is
 meaningless - simply another interjection of opinion
 (doxa) without any context (or content for that
 matter). Have you taken secret offline lessons from
 TurkB in expressing your dis-approvals? At least
 your style is more terse.  

   I've heard SSRS indicate that the ajna-chakra is
 the crucial point in the shift to an enlightened
 state of consciousness. Full time pure consciousness
 brings only confusion until a profound dissolution
 of wrong identification occurs. This realization is
 grounded in recognition of the baseless nature of
 the empirical jiva. Such a change only finalizes
 when the intellect shifts from its previous error of
 misidentification through a transcendent insight
 functioning within the depths of pure awareness. In
 subtle neurological functioning, this shift occurs
 at the ajna-chakra. This is not my opinion but only
 my summary of his explanation.

   Shankara called this insight samyak-darshana.
 How's that for a Sanskrit irritant?

   By the way, ditto on your lack of reasoning about
 the contradiction between Krishna's stand up and
 fight and Patanjali's ahimsa in all conditions. 

   I work seven days a week yet still can find time
 to give a short explanation about my reasoning if it
 warrants more than a single line reply. I think you
 could do the same and bring some profit to the
 discussion. To bad you don't.

   empty
 
 Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   This is absolute nonsense. With all due
 respect, you
 don't know what the f*ck you're talking about. ;-)
 
 --- BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  MMY seems to be suggesting Enlightenment occurs at
  the 6th chakra,
  enlightenment or 'Self-Realization', and Cosmic
  Consciousness
  (realization of all of the Cosmos) occurs at the
 7th
  Chakra or the
  cerebral cortex/brain.
  
  This would concur with classical Yoga
  teachings..the sixth chakra
  would be the spiritual spherical 'third eye' and
 the
  center of Self
  Realization; and CC in the cerebral cortex would
 be
  realization of the
  Spirit/Purusha omnipresent in and beyond creation.
  
  So far I haven't felt any ants crawling around up
  and down so I guess
  I have a ways to go!
  
  
  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment occurs at the 6th chakra......MMY.

[billy jim]

With all due respect, Peter, your reply is meaningless - simply another 
interjection of opinion (doxa) without any context (or content for that 
matter). Have you taken secret offline lessons from TurkB in expressing your 
dis-approvals? At least your style is more terse.  
   
  I've heard SSRS indicate that the ajna-chakra is the crucial point in the 
shift to an enlightened state of consciousness. Full time pure consciousness 
brings only confusion until a profound dissolution of wrong identification 
occurs. This realization is grounded in recognition of the baseless nature of 
the empirical jiva. Such a change only finalizes when the intellect shifts from 
its previous error of misidentification through a transcendent insight 
functioning within the depths of pure awareness. In subtle neurological 
functioning, this shift occurs at the ajna-chakra. This is not my opinion but 
only my summary of his explanation.
   
  Shankara called this insight samyak-darshana. How's that for a Sanskrit 
irritant?
   
  By the way, ditto on your lack of reasoning about the contradiction between 
Krishna's stand up and fight and Patanjali's ahimsa in all conditions. 
   
  I work seven days a week yet still can find time to give a short explanation 
about my reasoning if it warrants more than a single line reply. I think you 
could do the same and bring some profit to the discussion. To bad you don't.
   
  empty

Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  This is absolute nonsense. With all due respect, you
don't know what the f*ck you're talking about. ;-)

--- BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 MMY seems to be suggesting Enlightenment occurs at
 the 6th chakra,
 enlightenment or 'Self-Realization', and Cosmic
 Consciousness
 (realization of all of the Cosmos) occurs at the 7th
 Chakra or the
 cerebral cortex/brain.
 
 This would concur with classical Yoga
 teachings..the sixth chakra
 would be the spiritual spherical 'third eye' and the
 center of Self
 Realization; and CC in the cerebral cortex would be
 realization of the
 Spirit/Purusha omnipresent in and beyond creation.
 
 So far I haven't felt any ants crawling around up
 and down so I guess
 I have a ways to go!
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment occurs at the 6th chakra......MMY.

[billy jim]

I've heard him discuss this two or three times, although I'm a little fuzzy 
about where/when. At least once was at the Montreal ashram and the others may 
have been at Lake Tahoe. Usually the context was someone's question about the 
purpose and results of practicing hollow and empty.
   
  Sorry I don't remember all the details. I went to 10-12 courses with him from 
1996-2002. It is a little blurry for me now. My brain should do yoga sit-ups.
   
  empty
   
   
   
  

Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Yes, I have been taking lessons from Turq and I do
like your post and sorry I'm such an inadequate human
beingI'll do more yogic sit-ups in the future.
When have you heard SSRS talk about this? This is
actually a great insight into many peoples' experience
of the confusion and fear that arises as pure
consciousness/Self shifts from a bound identification
and a self to a unlocalized Self. It takes some time
for the mind to shift in its thinking. I've heard this
expressed as old mental habits that change over time.
I've never heard it terms of very subtle physiology.
Great food for thought. I'd love to hear SSRS's exact
words...important guru speak here. 

--- billy jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 With all due respect, Peter, your reply is
 meaningless - simply another interjection of opinion
 (doxa) without any context (or content for that
 matter). Have you taken secret offline lessons from
 TurkB in expressing your dis-approvals? At least
 your style is more terse. 
 
 I've heard SSRS indicate that the ajna-chakra is
 the crucial point in the shift to an enlightened
 state of consciousness. Full time pure consciousness
 brings only confusion until a profound dissolution
 of wrong identification occurs. This realization is
 grounded in recognition of the baseless nature of
 the empirical jiva. Such a change only finalizes
 when the intellect shifts from its previous error of
 misidentification through a transcendent insight
 functioning within the depths of pure awareness. In
 subtle neurological functioning, this shift occurs
 at the ajna-chakra. This is not my opinion but only
 my summary of his explanation.
 
 Shankara called this insight samyak-darshana.
 How's that for a Sanskrit irritant?
 
 By the way, ditto on your lack of reasoning about
 the contradiction between Krishna's stand up and
 fight and Patanjali's ahimsa in all conditions. 
 
 I work seven days a week yet still can find time
 to give a short explanation about my reasoning if it
 warrants more than a single line reply. I think you
 could do the same and bring some profit to the
 discussion. To bad you don't.
 
 empty
 
 Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is absolute nonsense. With all due
 respect, you
 don't know what the f*ck you're talking about. ;-)
 
 --- BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  MMY seems to be suggesting Enlightenment occurs at
  the 6th chakra,
  enlightenment or 'Self-Realization', and Cosmic
  Consciousness
  (realization of all of the Cosmos) occurs at the
 7th
  Chakra or the
  cerebral cortex/brain.
  
  This would concur with classical Yoga
  teachings..the sixth chakra
  would be the spiritual spherical 'third eye' and
 the
  center of Self
  Realization; and CC in the cerebral cortex would
 be
  realization of the
  Spirit/Purusha omnipresent in and beyond creation.
  
  So far I haven't felt any ants crawling around up
  and down so I guess
  I have a ways to go!
  
  
  
  To subscribe, send a message to:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  Or go to: 
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment occurs at the 6th chakra......MMY.

[Vaj]

On Aug 3, 2007, at 9:10 PM, billy jim wrote:

I've heard him discuss this two or three times, although I'm a  
little fuzzy about where/when. At least once was at the Montreal  
ashram and the others may have been at Lake Tahoe. Usually the  
context was someone's question about the purpose and results of  
practicing hollow and empty.


Sorry I don't remember all the details. I went to 10-12 courses  
with him from 1996-2002. It is a little blurry for me now. My brain  
should do yoga sit-ups.



It's not important these details.

Dr. Pete already knew this long ago: it's in the Holy Trad. puja: the  
opening of the eye of jnana/pure-knowledge...


When I happened on the actual holy trad. at the Shank. of the South  
they were clear and straight on: meditation starts at the 'third eye'.


Even the Tibetans are clear: that's where the nondual starts...

Despite that demon Shankara...gasp

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment occurs at the 6th chakra......MMY.

[Peter]

This is absolute nonsense. With all due respect, you
don't know what the f*ck you're talking about. ;-)

--- BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 MMY seems to be suggesting Enlightenment occurs at
 the 6th chakra,
 enlightenment or 'Self-Realization',  and Cosmic
 Consciousness
 (realization of all of the Cosmos) occurs at the 7th
 Chakra or the
 cerebral cortex/brain.
 
 This would concur with classical Yoga
 teachings..the sixth chakra
 would be the spiritual spherical 'third eye' and the
 center of Self
 Realization; and CC in the cerebral cortex would be
 realization of the
 Spirit/Purusha omnipresent in and beyond creation.
 
 So far I haven't felt any ants crawling around up
 and down so I guess
 I have a ways to go!
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment just another RELATIVE

[Bhairitu]

claudiouk wrote:
 Feeling rather disillusioned right now about enlightenment. Firstly 
 on a personal level - a dead loss. Secondly as regards MMY even if he 
 is enlightened there are just too many things that appear wrong 
 about it to me - his mismanagement of followers and Movement 
 resources  opportunities, his total lack of any aesthetic sense 
 (witness the ridiculous music and lyrics he's promoting on the 
 Maharishi Channel, which would immediately put off any curious 
 onlooker!); the catalogue of tales of woe outlined in Fairfield Life, 
 including insensitive  irresponsible dealings with distressed 
 meditators and sexual misconduct from MMY downwards in the hierarchy, 
 some of which MUST be true; Mohammed's legacy of holy war and suicide 
 bombers and the appalling mistreatment of women and other innocent 
 victims at the hands of Islam - a complete turn off. Christianity and 
 its obsessive tunnel vision about sexual morality and its pathetic 
 history of unenlightened action - another religion down the drain; 
 Buddhism seems noble enough but Buddha never found a God and can only 
 point the way; moreover the premise that action and reaction on a 
 moral level requires other lifetimes to work itself through (in order 
 to reflect how cause and effect are evidenced in the physical world)
 does not seem a  logical necessity, especially in the absence of a 
 moral God or evidence of morality in Nature as a whole. It is thus 
 possible to agree with Buddha that life is suffering but to disagree 
 with his solution, to eliminate it via Nirvana after lifetimes of 
 purification. Finally the exchanges typical in Fairfield life lead me 
 to conclude that many people have had more fortunate experiences than 
 myself with TM, that such experiences may even be interpreted by the 
 individuals concerned as hallmarks of enlightenment, but in the end 
 what do they really signify? There is an admission that enlightenment 
 doesn't actually morally improve the individual - we see such 
 individuals behaving childishly enough in FF Life. They are no great 
 inspirational figures - no Gandhi or Mandela equivalents here. 
 Neither of those in any case were more than great HUMANISTIC icons. 
 What about the saints? I recently read a biography of St. Francis and 
 was thoroughly disappointed by his limited Christian vision - tried 
 to join the Crusades to convert the infidel Islamists. A Bin Laden 
 equivalent of the Middle Ages, perhaps, although he seemed at least 
 to have some truly mystical revelations. Anyway what I'm trying to 
 say is that everyone thinks THEIR guru or scripture or religious 
 prophet or saviour is so special - but from an objective perspective 
 they are NOT truly enlightened and neither are their biggoted 
 followers. If everything is relative there is still some scope in 
 following a personal vision, following one's inner Light, for the 
 enhancement of personal and social life, and it may still be true 
 that some visions might be better than others, but unfortunately none 
 so far has really stood out as really outstanding in a really 
 thorough sense, from my perspective. Not sure how this will be 
 received by FF Life - but makes little difference in any case!!
There is a difference between religions and spiritual or yogic science.  
The former is really just a mind game that was put in place by rules to 
keep their subjects from overthrowing them.   Look at Buddha, for 
example, here's a prince who is going to become king and sees all these 
subjects who might someday rebel against him.  What better than to tell 
them that desire is the source of their suffering.   That way they see 
the king with all these goodies and think poor man, he is attached to 
all that. While in the meantime the king is laughing all the way to the 
bank.

Islam?  Well we know that Mohammad wanted to stop the constant battles 
and upheaval the warlords of the region were creating and made up a 
religion which was really a political movement.

Christianity became adopted when it was advantages for the Roman 
emperors.  Thus averting another uprising and overthrowing of their 
government.

Spiritual science is something else and should release you from the 
limitations of perception when is done by basically raising your 
vibration.  Careful if it gets to high you'll not be allowed back here 
again. ;-)

BTW, some of the movements may also be diversions in service of the 
ruling class.

Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment just another RELATIVE

[Vaj]

On Mar 6, 2007, at 6:32 PM, claudiouk wrote:


Feeling rather disillusioned right now about enlightenment. Firstly
on a personal level - a dead loss. Secondly as regards MMY even if he
is enlightened there are just too many things that appear wrong
about it to me - his mismanagement of followers and Movement
resources  opportunities, his total lack of any aesthetic sense
(witness the ridiculous music and lyrics he's promoting on the
Maharishi Channel, which would immediately put off any curious
onlooker!); the catalogue of tales of woe outlined in Fairfield Life,
including insensitive  irresponsible dealings with distressed
meditators and sexual misconduct from MMY downwards in the hierarchy,
some of which MUST be true;


It does speak for itself in a lot of ways.


Mohammed's legacy of holy war and suicide
bombers and the appalling mistreatment of women and other innocent
victims at the hands of Islam - a complete turn off.


If you get a chance, see the film (now on DVD), _Islam: What the West  
Needs to Know_. You might just find the turn off had a basis.



Christianity and
its obsessive tunnel vision about sexual morality and its pathetic
history of unenlightened action - another religion down the drain;


They did build some nice buildings though! It is kind of ridiculous  
for us to have expected a religion whose primary symbol is a guy on a  
torture device to be peaceful...




Buddhism seems noble enough but Buddha never found a God and can only
point the way; moreover the premise that action and reaction on a
moral level requires other lifetimes to work itself through (in order
to reflect how cause and effect are evidenced in the physical world)
does not seem a  logical necessity, especially in the absence of a
moral God or evidence of morality in Nature as a whole. It is thus
possible to agree with Buddha that life is suffering but to disagree
with his solution, to eliminate it via Nirvana after lifetimes of
purification.


Well that's not necessarily the case. Many people confuse Buddhism  
with sutric or Indian Buddhism...there are different flavors of  
Buddhism. My take, in a few words: to the extent that a brand of  
Buddhism is an awakening/enlightenment school, great, it succeeds; to  
the extent that it becomes a religion, it fails. I get the same thing  
from Hinduism: give me the pure yogic sciences, I can do without the  
Hindu Dumbo.



Finally the exchanges typical in Fairfield life lead me
to conclude that many people have had more fortunate experiences than
myself with TM, that such experiences may even be interpreted by the
individuals concerned as hallmarks of enlightenment, but in the end
what do they really signify?


There's a group of experiences that people tend to wig out on and  
confuse with the Big E, more often than not, that's what's going on.  
Part of the problem is also, IMO, the dumbing down of enlightenment  
traditions to make them seem simple and saleable: palatable to the  
masses. The ego can then make an easier jump AND people tend to hand  
around longer. But sometimes it just means the teacher is faking it  
and just being sketchy for that very reason.



There is an admission that enlightenment
doesn't actually morally improve the individual - we see such
individuals behaving childishly enough in FF Life. They are no great
inspirational figures - no Gandhi or Mandela equivalents here.
Neither of those in any case were more than great HUMANISTIC icons.
What about the saints? I recently read a biography of St. Francis and
was thoroughly disappointed by his limited Christian vision - tried
to join the Crusades to convert the infidel Islamists. A Bin Laden
equivalent of the Middle Ages, perhaps, although he seemed at least
to have some truly mystical revelations. Anyway what I'm trying to
say is that everyone thinks THEIR guru or scripture or religious
prophet or saviour is so special - but from an objective perspective
they are NOT truly enlightened and neither are their biggoted
followers. If everything is relative there is still some scope in
following a personal vision, following one's inner Light, for the
enhancement of personal and social life, and it may still be true
that some visions might be better than others, but unfortunately none
so far has really stood out as really outstanding in a really
thorough sense, from my perspective. Not sure how this will be
received by FF Life - but makes little difference in any case!!


At least you've asked the question! -- perhaps the universe will  
answer it for you? Never was a big Jesus freak myself, but I have  
always found the formula 'knock and it shall open, ask and it shall  
be given to you' to be a workable one.

Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment just another RELATIVE

[Peter]

Your post reads like Rama's Lament in the Yoga
Vaishista. You're finishing up with the relative and
recognizing that nothing in time and space can
complete or fulfill you. It's all crap. Even the crap
is crap. Even your lament about the crap is crap. Its
all a bullshit fraud. You've been cheated and conned,
manipulated and lied to; used like you meant nothing
because you meant nothing. And guess what? You did it
to yourself. You gave away the diamond for the price
of spinach. You sold yourself out over and over again
because you were afraid to simply be honest and trust
yourself. You saw yourself as worthless so life
treated you that way. Now and only now can you be done
with this mountain of bullshit. MMY has done you a
great, great favor!

--- claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Feeling rather disillusioned right now about
 enlightenment. Firstly 
 on a personal level - a dead loss. Secondly as
 regards MMY even if he 
 is enlightened there are just too many things that
 appear wrong 
 about it to me - his mismanagement of followers and
 Movement 
 resources  opportunities, his total lack of any
 aesthetic sense 
 (witness the ridiculous music and lyrics he's
 promoting on the 
 Maharishi Channel, which would immediately put off
 any curious 
 onlooker!); the catalogue of tales of woe outlined
 in Fairfield Life, 
 including insensitive  irresponsible dealings with
 distressed 
 meditators and sexual misconduct from MMY downwards
 in the hierarchy, 
 some of which MUST be true; Mohammed's legacy of
 holy war and suicide 
 bombers and the appalling mistreatment of women and
 other innocent 
 victims at the hands of Islam - a complete turn off.
 Christianity and 
 its obsessive tunnel vision about sexual morality
 and its pathetic 
 history of unenlightened action - another religion
 down the drain; 
 Buddhism seems noble enough but Buddha never found a
 God and can only 
 point the way; moreover the premise that action and
 reaction on a 
 moral level requires other lifetimes to work itself
 through (in order 
 to reflect how cause and effect are evidenced in the
 physical world)
 does not seem a  logical necessity, especially in
 the absence of a 
 moral God or evidence of morality in Nature as a
 whole. It is thus 
 possible to agree with Buddha that life is suffering
 but to disagree 
 with his solution, to eliminate it via Nirvana after
 lifetimes of 
 purification. Finally the exchanges typical in
 Fairfield life lead me 
 to conclude that many people have had more fortunate
 experiences than 
 myself with TM, that such experiences may even be
 interpreted by the 
 individuals concerned as hallmarks of enlightenment,
 but in the end 
 what do they really signify? There is an admission
 that enlightenment 
 doesn't actually morally improve the individual - we
 see such 
 individuals behaving childishly enough in FF Life.
 They are no great 
 inspirational figures - no Gandhi or Mandela
 equivalents here. 
 Neither of those in any case were more than great
 HUMANISTIC icons. 
 What about the saints? I recently read a biography
 of St. Francis and 
 was thoroughly disappointed by his limited Christian
 vision - tried 
 to join the Crusades to convert the infidel
 Islamists. A Bin Laden 
 equivalent of the Middle Ages, perhaps, although he
 seemed at least 
 to have some truly mystical revelations. Anyway what
 I'm trying to 
 say is that everyone thinks THEIR guru or scripture
 or religious 
 prophet or saviour is so special - but from an
 objective perspective 
 they are NOT truly enlightened and neither are their
 biggoted 
 followers. If everything is relative there is still
 some scope in 
 following a personal vision, following one's inner
 Light, for the 
 enhancement of personal and social life, and it may
 still be true 
 that some visions might be better than others, but
 unfortunately none 
 so far has really stood out as really outstanding in
 a really 
 thorough sense, from my perspective. Not sure how
 this will be 
 received by FF Life - but makes little difference in
 any case!!
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment the hard way

[Kirk]

Interesting article. He had a very 
hard pointing out experience. How lucky one is if they don't have to go through 
all that. Watching Katrina was very much like this for us. Especially for 
my wife - a native of NOLA.

I would very much say that this 
person is making a statement beyond what he even knows, about the corp of the 
world, and the sort of pointing out that the whole world will have to go through 
before it will recognize the ground of being. 

Because people have not sought this 
pointing out the effortless way, they will have it thrust upon them. 


Why, because we yogis are sick and 
tired of always fighting with dualists for some breathing space. And living in 
caves and woods. It's time yogis become able to move about the streets without 
being locked up like dogs in a kennel.

This man's message to this paranoic 
(as MM calls me) is that the peaks and troughs of life have not managed to wake 
up the ground of being for all, has not given humanity its awareness of common 
union with innate divinity.

Where peaceful means of awakening 
are not enough, wrathful means will be used. 

I love sounding prophetic. May 
it all not be so. May I be wrong all the time. How wonderful that would 
be!
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment the hard way
http://www.thomhartmann.com/hutchison.shtmlAn 
Interview with Michael HutchisonWith extraordinary lessons for us 
allThis is from an interview first published in 2002 in AVS (Audio/Visual 
Stimulation) magazine, reprinted with the permission of the publisher and of 
Michael Hutchison, an old and dear friend of Thom’s. Since then, an edited 
version of this interview has been published in the new and updated edition of 
Michael's Book of Floating: Exploring the Private Sea" book:
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment University

[Rick Archer]

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on 1/12/06 8:28 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The mission of Diamond Mountain is to provide all of the conditions, inside and outside of us, that we need to actually reach enlightenment, ourselves, before the day we die.

Our mission at Diamond Mountain is to provide you with everything you need to lead a wise and good life, and to become nothing less than a being who can go to all worlds and serve all living creatures, all at once. To get you there, we take you through all the traditional training that a monk or yogi would get in a demanding, major monastery in Tibet or ancient India.


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http://diamondmtn.org/dmu/

How is it doing? Many students? Successful?






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment University

[Vaj]

On Jan 12, 2006, at 10:55 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 1/12/06 8:28 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:"The mission of Diamond Mountain is to provide all of the conditions, inside and outside of us, that we need to actually reach enlightenment, ourselves, before the day we die."Our mission at Diamond Mountain is to provide you with everything you need to lead a wise and good life, and to become nothing less than a being who can go to all worlds and serve all living creatures, all at once. To get you there, we take you through all the traditional training that a monk or yogi would get in a demanding, major monastery in Tibet or ancient India.http://diamondmtn.org/http://diamondmtn.org/dmu/How is it doing? Many students? Successful? Sounds like it, although highly controversial. One of the primary teachers, Geshe Michael Roach, has declared that he has taken a (sexual) consort. He has also claimed a certain degree of realization.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment in ten seconds

[Peter Sutphen]

Comment below:

--- rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If you close your eyes for a second, even if you're
 a nonmeditator, you have a salient glimpse of
 yourself as empty, whether your mind is trained to
 think so or not.  If the mind can just let go and
 surrender everything to the moment and reside in
 presence then the mind has come into the focal point
 of the real and not the imagined, in the moment of
 now.  That presence of the now is itself ones own
 cognition, ones own self, as empty awareness. 
 Simple.

That's the beginning of (no)Self realization and a
very good technique to transcend the vrittis of the
chitta. An empty mind does not = (no)Self. There's
still and implicit I thought or identity with subtle
aspects of mind. True vipassana meditation cuts
through this identification very quickly. If you can
quiet your mind through intent, vipassana is the way
to go. IMHO!
-Peter 




 
 When you come to understand that that is all that
 you will ever know and nothing else then you come to
 enlightenment. A state of knowing and unknowing, a
 state of dao, of christian rosencreutz. There is
 nothing else but open presence directly cognized
 with merely a film of change on the surface. The
 change is very engaging, but it is of the one taste
 of the empty mind, the only thing which is ever
 really known in anything. And nothing that one
 grasps after will ever be grasped because there is
 nothing but the empty mind at the end of each day,
 and life. Because the reflection, because the light,
 because the crystal, because the bell, because the
 cross, because the night. Because is why! Surrender
 the intellect to the moment of now and you've
 recovered completely. There is no other moment. 



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment in ten seconds

[rudra_joe]

The now is the beginning, middle, and end. As there 
is no ability to cognize anything other than empty mind at last, there is 
nothing that can be cognized but empty mind. There is no question, and no answer 
more than that. This is more than nothing, less than anything, it is the 
single most practical and profound technique of all ages. And you say it's a 
beginning. hahahaaha. If everyone stopped for a second ten times a day 
and merely took a deep breath and shook out their tension, and gave up, and 
surrendered all their thoughts and feelings to the now then many many better 
actions would be produced and all that better karma could undo some damage from 
occuring. People would see each other and nature and appreciate it more. Before 
they have heart attacks and have to take to the recliner on the porch and 
watching squirrels. If you ever forget the message then dance. They might think 
you're crazy but your really sivasakti. The master of the temple has no specific 
instruction.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Peter 
  Sutphen 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:17 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 
  Enlightenment in ten seconds
  Comment below:--- rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If 
  you close your eyes for a second, even if you're a nonmeditator, you 
  have a salient glimpse of yourself as empty, whether your mind is 
  trained to think so or not. If the mind can just let go 
  and surrender everything to the moment and reside in presence 
  then the mind has come into the focal point of the real and not the 
  imagined, in the moment of now. That presence of the now is 
  itself ones own cognition, ones own self, as empty awareness.  
  Simple.That's the beginning of (no)Self realization and avery good 
  technique to transcend the vrittis of thechitta. An empty mind does not = 
  (no)Self. There'sstill and implicit "I" thought or identity with 
  subtleaspects of mind. True vipassana meditation cutsthrough this 
  identification very quickly. If you canquiet your mind through intent, 
  vipassana is the wayto go. IMHO!-Peter  
   When you come to understand that that is all that you will 
  ever know and nothing else then you come to enlightenment. A state of 
  knowing and unknowing, a state of dao, of christian rosencreutz. There 
  is nothing else but open presence directly cognized with 
  merely a film of change on the surface. The change is very engaging, 
  but it is of the one taste of the empty mind, the only thing which is 
  ever really known in anything. And nothing that one grasps 
  after will ever be grasped because there is nothing but the empty mind 
  at the end of each day, and life. Because the reflection, because the 
  light, because the crystal, because the bell, because the 
  cross, because the night. Because is why! Surrender the intellect to 
  the moment of now and you've recovered completely. There is no other 
  moment.  
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