[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-13 Thread Robert Gimbel
Change usually occurs due to pain. General there's no reason to change, until the belief, or the activity, or compulsion, becomes too painful to continue, or you become aware of something through a jolt or shock, to make a change. We are generally governed by all the values we learned and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, his sidhis led to suicide, so go figure. Not sure I understand this comment. I believe performance of siddhis were a small part of what he did, and he did not revel in their performance. From what

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, his sidhis led to suicide, so go figure. Not sure I understand this comment. I believe performance of siddhis were a small part of what he did, and he did not revel in their performance. From what

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread easyone200
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter: Lurk, have you read Unc's stories about his experiences with Rama? Very well written and interesting. I'm sure Unc has the link. Lurk: So far I've read the first one where he describes mostly in Lenz's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rama used a variety of so-called mind-control techniques to seduce his disciples. He had his subjects stare at him for long hours until they would hallucinate and see Lenz begin to glow or change shapes. Lenz told his

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread Vaj
On Jun 12, 2005, at 2:41 AM, cardemaister wrote: Sorry, Barry, but it seems to me he was a master hypnotist. I was wondering the same thing. I know of one western lama who saw a Hindu teacher do all sorts of amazing things only to find out later he had been hypnotized. For a number of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread TurquoiseB
Sorry, Barry, but it seems to me he was a master hypnotist. I was wondering the same thing. I know of one western lama who saw a Hindu teacher do all sorts of amazing things only to find out later he had been hypnotized. For a number of reasons this carries that quality to it. Was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread claudiouk
siddhi demos wouldn't convinve? There are millions of people who are convinced about one thing or another, whether pseudo-scientific, spiritual or downright nonsensical stuff, without any evidence. Of course in science, paradigm shifts take more than usual evidence to be given even serious

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Claims of the possibility levitation are dismissed outright NOW by scientifically-minded people because there isn't ANY public evidence for it at present, only hearsay. Hypnotic suggestion is a possible explanation

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread Llundrub
What place?suicide, failure, not worth a shit. Don't get me wrong. I stll love ya like a brother, but why else would you come down like this unless something was hitting too close to home.lurk--That's right. So fuck off. Go worship your suicidal loser. See where it gets you.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What place? suicide, failure, not worth a shit. Don't get me wrong. I stll love ya like a brother, but why else would you come down like this unless something was hitting too close to home. --That's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I knew a few friends who got involved with this psychopath and they came to bad destructive ends. Freddy was not the only suicide. It is too bad that the spirtual path does not come with flashing CAUTION signs

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread Vaj
Good morning. On Jun 12, 2005, at 7:36 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Huh? That last bit is just someone's conspiracy theory. I've been in the man's personal library a few times. There was nothing much in it but books, the same books you probably have in yours, none of them on hypnotism. It was the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread Peter Sutphen
And there's the rub Unc. Good tern of phrase. We tell ourselves stories all the time to bring it in line; to make it conform; to fit the expectation. The tyranny of the mind. We build these huge melodramas all based on fear. Thanks for writing about your experiences with Ramaand sharing them.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread TurquoiseB
Huh? That last bit is just someone's conspiracy theory. I've been in the man's personal library a few times. There was nothing much in it but books, the same books you probably have in yours, none of them on hypnotism. It was the library on LI. I was just asking as it was considered

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And there's the rub Unc. Good tern of phrase. We tell ourselves stories all the time to bring it in line; to make it conform; to fit the expectation. The tyranny of the mind. We build these huge melodramas all

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread Vaj
On Jun 12, 2005, at 10:15 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: In other words, you are choosing to believe what you choose to believe. No, what I was referring to is the energetic component. If you go down to the subtle level you can recognize the energetic patterns manifesting from the shakti. A pattern

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread TurquoiseB
In other words, you are choosing to believe what you choose to believe. No, what I was referring to is the energetic component. If you go down to the subtle level you can recognize the energetic patterns manifesting from the shakti. A pattern is unique to each siddhi. There is always

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment on 6/12/05 8:11 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --That's right. So fuck off. Go worship your suicidal loser. See where it gets you. Hey Kirk, youre a Buddhist. What about all the Buddhist monks who immolated themselves

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread TurquoiseB
I didn't really want to comment at all till Cardemaister made her comments Cardemaister is a she? We're all shes here except you. The photos were just to throw you off. In Jeff's case, she's really the lovely redhead; the guy beside her is a hired actor. :-) To subscribe, send a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread Vaj
On Jun 12, 2005, at 12:03 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Buddhist yogis who had perfected the phowa--the transference. Please elaborate a bit. Many trads. of Buddhism will perfect a practice, often during retreat at least once in their lifetime. It allows them to consciously die by transferring

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't really want to comment at all till Cardemaister made her comments Cardemaister is a she? We're all shes here except you. The photos were just to throw you off. In Jeff's case, she's really the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread TurquoiseB
I didn't really want to comment at all till Cardemaister made her comments Cardemaister is a she? We're all shes here except you. The photos were just to throw you off. In Jeff's case, she's really the lovely redhead; the guy beside her is a hired actor. :-) Hey! I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread Rick Archer
on 6/12/05 11:18 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 12, 2005, at 12:03 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Buddhist yogis who had perfected the phowa--the transference. Please elaborate a bit. Many trads. of Buddhism will perfect a practice, often during retreat at least once in their

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread Jeff Fischer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're all shes here except you. The photos were just to throw you off. In Jeff's case, she's really the lovely redhead; the guy beside her is a hired actor. :-) Close. Not an actor but a walk-in.:-) To

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He was the most gifted speaker on spiritual subjects I've ever met, a real artist when it came to teaching. And he pissed it all away and did himself in. Shit happens. And just because you can meditate well and do

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He was the most gifted speaker on spiritual subjects I've ever met, a real artist when it came to teaching. And he pissed it all away

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread Llundrub
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment on 6/12/05 8:11 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread easyone200
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I knew a few friends who got involved with this psychopath and they came to bad destructive ends. Freddy was not the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This guy I am sure of. Do you defend all gurus just because they say something. Are any destructive in your book? You come up with plenty of excuses for abhorrent behavior. What I am saying is that as you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread easyone200
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This guy I am sure of. Do you defend all gurus just because they say something. Are any destructive in your book? You

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 12, 2005, at 10:15 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: In other words, you are choosing to believe what you choose to believe. No, what I was referring to is the energetic component. If you go down to the subtle level you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm even easier to please. :-) I don't see that there is any difference *whatsoever* in the actions performed by the enlightened and the actions performed by the unenlightened, because there is no difference

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread shukra69
Vaj is just a pathalogical liar. He has posted in alt.meditation.transcendental under the aliases Swami Truthananda and Guru Dev as well as Vajranatha If you had seen that pattern of posts that will become clear to you. I would also ascribe a particular mental illness to him but there are more

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj is just a pathalogical liar. He has posted in alt.meditation.transcendental under the aliases Swami Truthananda and Guru Dev as well as Vajranatha If you had seen that pattern of posts that will become clear to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj is just a pathalogical liar. He has posted in alt.meditation.transcendental under the aliases Swami Truthananda and Guru Dev as well as Vajranatha If you had seen that pattern of posts that will become clear to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj is just a pathalogical liar. He has posted in alt.meditation.transcendental under the aliases Swami Truthananda and Guru Dev as well as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread TurquoiseB
Peter: I only know Vaj from his post on this newsgroup. And while it is clear that he is no cheerleader for TM, I have always found his posts to be interesting and quite informative at times. Maybe he vents his spleen at other newsgroups, I don't know. I think it is true that he vents more

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment on 6/11/05 6:48 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: p.s. I just inserted some photos through Yahoo's new photo system...did it work? Yes. Lets have one of you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread TurquoiseB
p.s. I just inserted some photos through Yahoo's new photo system...did it work? Yes. Let¹s have one of you. Just posted one of me. I'm the one on the right. :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Vaj
On Jun 11, 2005, at 8:14 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I think it is true that he vents more on a.m.t., but then I think that is more because of the nature of that particular forum and how it treats off the program posters than it is Vaj. Precisely. It a very negative venue and you respond

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Jeff Fischer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/11/05 6:48 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: p.s. I just inserted some photos through Yahoo's new photo system...did it work? Yes. Let¹s have one of you. Here, Here! To subscribe, send

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Jeff Fischer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just posted one of me. I'm the one on the right. :-) Unc Are you sure? :-) Jeff To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Sal Sunshine
I got them--hope everyone else did. Great stuff. Love the ones of Punditji with Amma and Mother Teresa. Sal On Jun 11, 2005, at 6:48 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote: p.s. I just inserted some photos through Yahoo's new photo system...did it work?  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your thoughtful post--god knows you've suffered horrendous abuse from those on a.m.t merely because of your open-minded observations. Sad really. Hey, you only got there towards the end. I more than deserved some

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just posted one of me. I'm the one on the right. :-) Are you sure? :-) Well, we do all share a common philosphy. As Cindy Lauper sang,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Vaj
On Jun 11, 2005, at 3:55 AM, cardemaister wrote: In my book his spelling of some Sanskrit words might make even that rather superficial. But I don't mean to imply that my spelling of Sanskrit indicates anything other than interest in the language itself. I take the deliberate tack of not

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Jeff Fischer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, we do all share a common philosphy. As Cindy Lauper sang, (gar)goyles just want to have fun... :-) Unc Good one. Cindy does hava NY accent. I was brought up on Long Island but always eschewed the accent.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread gerbal88
Vaj, TurquoiseB -- I discovered a.m.t. many years ago. I just posted something there this week. It is a very sad place, but I like the militant JW's snarrling at the door very apt. I read True Believer when I was at University. It still holds true, especially when you find a group of if

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread shanti2218411
--Vaj,obviously you have no way of knowing what will happen to meditators who have been witnessing for a prolonged period if they stop meditating.In my own case which have I have discussed previously in other posts the practice of TM and TMSP resulted in the awakening of kundalini(I came to the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread TurquoiseB
Unc: Well, we do all share a common philosphy. As Cindy Lauper sang, (gar)goyles just want to have fun... :-) Jeff: Good one. Cindy does hava NY accent. I always thought Bronx, but I never got all the Eastern accents straight. I was brought up on Long Island but always eschewed the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Rick Archer
on 6/11/05 10:00 AM, Jeff Fischer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, we do all share a common philosphy. As Cindy Lauper sang, (gar)goyles just want to have fun... :-) Unc Good one. Cindy does hava NY accent.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Peter Sutphen
Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/11/05 10:00 AM, Jeff Fischer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Well, we do all share a common philosphy. As Cindy Lauper sang, (gar)goyles just want to have fun... :-) Unc Good

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Rick Archer
on 6/11/05 10:10 AM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It _is_ nicer here. I have posted a bit at TMControversy and found that the ever mangy Stein person has one of the lowest thresholds I have ever encountered for intolerance of anything but the sound of her own voice. What a peculiar

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj, TurquoiseB -- I discovered a.m.t. many years ago. I just posted something there this week. It is a very sad place, but I like the militant JW's snarrling at the door very apt. I read True Believer when I was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Jeff Fischer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bronx, but I never got all the Eastern accents straight. Think you're right. Pervasive accent. Once spoke to a guy who was from Florida who had a heavy one. Asked him when he left NY. Red faced he

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Jeff Fischer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fairfield, Connecticut (born in Norwalk Hospital, lived first 5 years in Westport) Ah, so we've uncovered the double entendre (help me w/ this French word would ya, Unc) to Fairfield Life; Or is it a triple entendre

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Vaj
Hi Kevin: On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:20 AM, shanti2218411 wrote: --Vaj,obviously you have no way of knowing what will happen to meditators who have been witnessing for a prolonged period if they stop meditating.In my own case which have I have discussed previously in other posts the practice of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Vaj
On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:52 AM, Rick Archer wrote: How is it that we have been spared? Certainly she knows about us. We haven't been spared, she's stalking both myself and Barry here. Several others came over around the same time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Llundrub
- Original Message - From: gerbal88 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 10:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment Vaj, TurquoiseB -- I "discovered" a.m.t. many years ago. I just posted something there this week. It is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread TurquoiseB
Unc: Kinda lost interest after that...the karmas look like a done deal, so what's to get intense about? Interest in politics or interest in changing this cockeyed world? You got too much to give to give up. I've lost interest in day-to-day politics, at least of the American flavor of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Jeff Fischer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unc: Haven't lost interest in helping people remem- ber that this cockeyed world is still beautiful. If that's wanting to change the world, I plead guilty. :-) Unc Cool, brother, cool. To subscribe, send a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 11, 2005, at 8:14 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I think it is true that he vents more on a.m.t., but then I think that is more because of the nature of that particular forum and how it treats off the program posters

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:52 AM, Rick Archer wrote: How is it that we have been spared? Certainly she knows about us. We haven't been spared, she's stalking both myself and Barry here. Several others came over around the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread lupidus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/11/05 10:10 AM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It _is_ nicer here. I have posted a bit at TMControversy and found that the ever mangy Stein person has one of the lowest thresholds I have ever

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread lupidus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 11, 2005, at 8:14 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I think it is true that he vents more on a.m.t., but then I think that is more because of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested to know where people on this forum are from, originally (prefer this lifetime answers). I grew up in Princeton, NJ with summers spent in Mantoloking on the Jersey Shore (same goes for His

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One could only speculate what is the nature of the monthly payments these people receives, invited here to stop any flow of positivity as they are by Vaj. In a similar vein, one could speculate how much the Benny Creme

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In I consider true levitation and other siddhis in the same boat. Unless you consider the Rama guy I worked with enlightened, my suspicion is that if you thought it through, you'd stop considering levitation a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer snip I married a girl of the Jewish persuasion. Now wait a second here. You mean that attractive lady, your wife, with that striking RED hair is of the Jewish persuasion. I had her pegged as 100% Irish. lurk To subscribe, send a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:52 AM, Rick Archer wrote: How is it that we have been spared? Certainly she knows about us. We haven't been spared, she's stalking both myself and Barry here. Barry and me would be correct

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Rick Archer
on 6/11/05 1:23 PM, lupidus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/11/05 10:10 AM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It _is_ nicer here. I have posted a bit at TMControversy and found that the ever mangy Stein person

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Peter Sutphen
lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: --- In I consider true levitation and other siddhis in the same boat. Unless you consider the Rama guy I worked with enlightened, my suspicion is that if you thought it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lurk, have you read Unc's stories about his experiences with Rama? Very well written and interesting. I'm sure Unc has the link. -Peter So far I've read the first one where he describes mostly in Lenz's (Ramas)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Llundrub
Well, his sidhis led to suicide, so go figure. - Original Message - From: lurkernomore20002000 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 6:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, his sidhis led to suicide, so go figure. Not sure I understand this comment. I believe performance of siddhis were a small part of what he did, and he did not revel in their performance. From what I understand he

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread TurquoiseB
Unc: I consider true levitation and other siddhis in the same boat. Unless you consider the Rama guy I worked with enlightened, my suspicion is that if you thought it through, you'd stop considering levitation a signpost of enlightenment, too. He could hover and walk around in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unc, if you want to post something in French, I believe Candace can decipher it. Thanks, but I have a hard enough time with it here. The Net provides me with a blessed breath of a language I am fairly competent

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Llundrub
He committed suicide. He was worse than a failure. That's not sidhi worth one shit. - Original Message - From: lurkernomore20002000 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 6:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Rick Archer
on 6/11/05 6:59 PM, lurkernomore20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, his sidhis led to suicide, so go figure. Not sure I understand this comment. I believe performance of siddhis were a small part of what he did,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm even easier to please. :-) I don't see that there is any difference *whatsoever* in the actions performed by the enlightened and the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread TurquoiseB
Peter: Lurk, have you read Unc's stories about his experiences with Rama? Very well written and interesting. I'm sure Unc has the link. Lurk: So far I've read the first one where he describes mostly in Lenz's (Ramas) own words some tenants of Buddhism, mechanics of spiritual growth and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj is just a pathalogical liar. He has posted in alt.meditation.transcendental under the aliases Swami Truthananda and Guru Dev as well as

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Llundrub
I read the kundalini stuff and it's bullshit. - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 8:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment Peter: Lurk, have you read Unc's stories about his experiences

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread TurquoiseB
Well, his sidhis led to suicide, so go figure. Not sure I understand this comment. I believe performance of siddhis were a small part of what he did, and he did not revel in their performance. From what I understand he demonstrated them to show one facet of what kundalini energy

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread lurkernomore20002000
- Original Message - From: lurkernomore20002000 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 6:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, his sidhis led to suicide, so

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Llundrub
My sister was into him. I went to some of his lectures. I got nothing. Then again, I also sat Pat Collins and got nothing. - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 8:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Llundrub
- Original Message - From: lurkernomore20002000 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 8:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: He committed s

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: lurkernomore20002000 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 8:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment --- In FairfieldLife

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/11/05 10:10 AM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It _is_ nicer here. I have posted a bit at TMControversy and found that the ever mangy Stein person has one of the lowest thresholds I have ever

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:52 AM, Rick Archer wrote: How is it that we have been spared? Certainly she knows about us. We haven't been spared, she's stalking both myself and Barry here. Several others came over around the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-11 Thread Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: lurkernomore20002000 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 8:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment --- In FairfieldLife

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-10 Thread Vaj
On Jun 9, 2005, at 11:24 PM, sparaig wrote: Intention is intention is intention is... The fact that you don't see this speaks volumes, IMHO. Of course I see it, but I see it as disfunction, you probably imagine this as 'purity of the tradition' or something similar. IMO this is typical of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-10 Thread Peter Sutphen
I use the term dharma to refer to a way of being within the context of a particular state of consciousness. Waking state is a particular way of being that entails personal responsibility among many other things. CC is a particular way of being that is quite different in many ways from waking

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use the term dharma to refer to a way of being within the context of a particular state of consciousness. Waking state is a particular way of being that entails personal responsibility among many other things. CC

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-10 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use the term dharma to refer to a way of being within the context of a particular state of consciousness. Waking state is a particular way of being that entails

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And this is different from, I didn't do it, enlightenment/eternity/natural law did, as spoken by someone claiming enlightenment exactly how? :-) If somebody claims

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 9, 2005, at 11:24 PM, sparaig wrote: Intention is intention is intention is... The fact that you don't see this speaks volumes, IMHO. Of course I see it, but I see it as disfunction, you probably imagine

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-10 Thread Jeff Fischer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see that there is any difference *whatsoever* in the actions performed by the enlightened and the actions performed by the unenlightened, because there is no difference between the two other than subjective

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment

2005-06-10 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 9, 2005, at 11:14 PM, sparaig wrote: But TM doesn't work at transcending thought. I'd get checked while it's still free if I were you! As Rick and LBS would say OSF (obiligatory smilely face) ! To subscribe,

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