--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On second thought, I might be all wrong. I've always thought
there's an ellipsis of the predicate verb, but it might
not be the case after all. Beats me!
The apostrphe-d is the verb. Stands for would or had in
Thanks Hanuman for your response. I'm glad to hear you have been
reading 'Kathy's Story'.
Jai Guru Dev
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I obtained a copy of these satsangs more
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Yeah, well, that kind of misses my point, which was
that *some* things
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'There is no mention of women being gurus anywhere in the shastras.
Women cannot be a guru. Gargim, Chudala, Sulabha etc. were women who
had
I obtained a copy of these satsangs more than thirty years ago, and
have not posted quotations of Guru Dev speaking on this subject.
However, Frank Lotz seemed to be parading his devotion to his 'Guru-
jie' so I responded by doing a little Hindi translation work.
So, you can thank Frank.
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I just realized that not only a woman can't be a guru,
a man can not be a guru either. So there.
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I just realized that not only a woman can't be a guru,
a man can not be a guru either. So there.
Because only SELF can recognize itSELF, and nobody can enlighten you,
and there is no other, just ONE which is always
Since I seem to be in a two cents mood for a few days
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big snip
Obviously GD was a very powerfull
yogi, full with the radiance of decades of tapasya, but also with very
outdated and oldfashioned ideas.
Yes. There
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Since I seem to be in a two cents mood for a few days
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big snip
Obviously GD was a very powerfull
yogi, full with the radiance of decades of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since I seem to be in a two cents mood for a few days
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote:
big snip
Obviously GD was a very powerfull
yogi, full with the radiance of decades of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I obtained a copy of these satsangs more than thirty years ago, and
have not posted quotations of Guru Dev speaking on this subject.
However, Frank Lotz seemed to be parading his devotion to his 'Guru-
jie' so I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@
wrote:
I obtained a copy of these satsangs more than thirty years ago,
and
have not posted quotations of Guru Dev speaking on this subject.
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I myself was threatened here not too long ago by one of our more
outspoken members here with the words: 'Fuck you and die' and I am
still very much
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What was actually said (and I know because I
said it) was, Fuck off and die. Off, dude,
not you.
You are right, that is what you must have said.
There's a difference.
I can't tell, I couldn't know, I wouldn't know,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
What was actually said (and I know because I
said it) was, Fuck off and die. Off, dude,
not you.
You are right, that is what you must have said.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Since I seem to be in a two cents mood for a few days
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big snip
Obviously
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More like, I'd rather you were dead.
Is that a full sentence?
But still not a threat.
And that's not nice, even for somebody you don't like
It's *very* hostile.
Well, lets forget about it.
To subscribe,
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
What was actually said (and I know because I
said it) was, Fuck off and die. Off, dude,
not you.
You are right, that is what you must have said.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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More like, I'd rather you were dead.
Is that a full sentence?
The part in quotes is.
To subscribe, send a message to:
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You have successfully demonstrated that there
*are* other people in the universe who can
hold a grudge as long as Judy Stein does.
Just for the record, let's recall that Barry
was dumping on me enthusiastically
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You have successfully demonstrated that there
*are* other people in the universe who can
hold a grudge as long as Judy Stein does.
No, I'm not really holding a grudge up. This just came up, because
Paul felt threatened
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More like, I'd rather you were dead.
Is that a full sentence?
The part in
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More like,
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More like, I'd rather you were dead.
Is that a full sentence?
The part in quotes is.
Were is the verb?
That's an interesting expression in English. Rather seems
to act like a verb. I
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--- In
On Aug 31, 2006, at 12:29 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Fuck off and die is not really a threat, Michael
It's a common form of dismissal, along the lines
of, Go forth and multiply elsewhere, somewhere
they actually take people like you seriously.
Gosh, and here I've been avoiding this thread because
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More like,
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More like, I'd rather you were dead.
Is that a full sentence?
The part in quotes is.
Were is the verb?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@
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More like, I'd rather you were dead.
Is that a full
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would rather acts as a verb, meaning prefer;
I would rather is an idiom meaning I would
prefer it if...
Sorry, didn't mean to spring another idiom
on you!
Thanks for your efforts. No problem as I am learning, and
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Since I seem to be in a two cents mood for a few days
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big snip
Obviously
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Within the TMO there is a disinclination to consider that
MMY's word and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason
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Guru Dev speaks about who and who cannot become gurus, and the
following are translated extracts of satsang number 74 of 108,
included in a collection of his teachings entitled 'Shri
Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita'
In a message dated 8/30/06 7:55:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
"Paul Mason" premanandpaul@... wrote: Guru
Dev speaks about who and who cannot become gurus, and the following
are translated extracts of satsang number 74
It appears that Guru Dev was extremely orthodox.
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If one is using the word 'guru' in the Indian strict
sense of the
word, no, there can be no flexibility in who and who
cannot be gurus.
But if one is using the more modern and much looser
sense of the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason
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If one is using the word 'guru' in the Indian strict
sense of the word, no, there can be no flexibility in
who and who cannot be gurus.
Could you define the Indian strict sense of the word,
please?
But if one is
I think GD was a very strict Gentleman without compromises regarding
the Vedas.
It does not mean that I totally agree with him, but I think it is
very doubtfull that he allowed MMY to go out and teach or sell
Mantras.
I have very great respect for GD because he made his thoughts very
clear. It
Guru Dev has pointed out that a guru must prerequisitely be a
brahmana. Furthermore he clarifies in a quote used by MMY in 'Amrit
Kana':-
'In the Shastra it is written that there are two marks of a guru:
stotriyata (one who has thoroughly studied the Vedas) and
brahmanishthata (one possessing
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I think GD was a very strict Gentleman without compromises regarding
the Vedas.
It does not mean that I totally agree with him, but I think it is
very doubtfull that he allowed MMY to go out and teach or sell
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason
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Guru Dev has pointed out that a guru must prerequisitely be a
brahmana.
You mean, a member of the Brahmin caste?
Furthermore he clarifies in a quote used by MMY in 'Amrit
Kana':-
'In the Shastra it is written that
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premanandpaul@ wrote:
Guru Dev has pointed out that a guru must prerequisitely be a
brahmana.
You mean, a member of the Brahmin caste?
Yes, further elaboration
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premanandpaul@ wrote:
Guru Dev speaks about who and who cannot become gurus, and the
following are translated extracts of satsang number 74 of 108,
included in
--- hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Guru Dev speaks about who and who cannot become
gurus, and the
following are translated
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
on 8/30/06 10:16 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Buddha said that women were incapable of enlightenment and that
women in monasteries would always be subservient to men.
Culturally ingrained sexism
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--- hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Buddha said that women were incapable of
enlightenment and that
women in monasteries would always be subservient to
men.
Culturally ingrained sexism? or maybe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 8/30/06 10:16 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Buddha said that women were incapable of enlightenment and that
women in monasteries would always be subservient to men.
Culturally ingrained sexism?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 8/30/06 10:16 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Buddha said that women were incapable of enlightenment and
that
women in monasteries would always be subservient to men.
Culturally ingrained
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
Furthermore he clarifies in a quote used by MMY in 'Amrit
Kana':-
'In the Shastra it is written that there are two marks of a guru:
stotriyata (one who has thoroughly studied the Vedas) and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If one is using the word 'guru' in the Indian strict sense of the
word, no, there can be no flexibility in who and who cannot be gurus.
But if one is using the more modern and much looser sense of the
word 'guru',
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason
premanandpaul@ wrote:
Guru Dev speaks about who and who cannot become gurus, and the
following are translated extracts of satsang number 74 of 108,
included in a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It appears that Guru Dev was extremely orthodox.
With one important exception, so is MMY. Do you expect the Pope or his
secretary to be
liberal Catholics?
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premanandpaul@ wrote:
If one is using the word 'guru' in the Indian strict
sense of the word, no, there can be no flexibility in
who and who cannot be gurus.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 8/30/06 10:16 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Buddha said that women were incapable of enlightenment and
that
women in monasteries would always be subservient to men.
Culturally ingrained
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It appears that Guru Dev was extremely orthodox.
With one important exception, so is MMY. Do you
expect the Pope or his secretary to be
liberal Catholics?
This was not a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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snip
You agree with Guru Dev that women and those of
lower caste should not be gurus, Paul?
By the classical definition, they CANNOT be gurus.
Sorta like
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
'There is no mention of women being gurus anywhere in the shastras.
Women cannot be a guru. Gargim, Chudala, Sulabha etc. were women who
had become yogis and possessed of self-knowledge. But it is not met
with
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You agree with Guru Dev that women and those of
lower caste should not be gurus,
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You agree
Maharishi has made it clear that the path of gaining enlightenment
through a guru-disciple relationship is completely different from the
path of gaining enlightenment through practice of Transcendental
Meditation:
You see, to meditate and transcend and get to the
Being and come out and with
Thanks for the quote. Brilliant!
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Maharishi has made it clear that the path of gaining enlightenment
through a guru-disciple relationship is completely different from
the
path of gaining enlightenment through
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Thanks for the quote. Brilliant!
***
This is a more complete rendition of that quote:
The Guru-Disciple Relationship
In this path of the Divine as it is the case in any
other path of knowledge, the importance
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premanandpaul@ wrote:
Guru Dev speaks about who and who cannot become gurus, and the
following are translated extracts of satsang number 74 of 108,
included in
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