[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY said something like, Before god, we should be just like a dog, just estatically eager and happy to do whatever is 'asked' -- presented before us. There you have it, in a nutshell. That's how he expected the people he made TM teachers to live their lives. A lot did, and still do. I guess if you like that sorta thing, the movement provides endless opportunities to jump through hoops. So MMY is God, in the eyes of many/most of his followers? Nope, he just assumes that he is when it comes to telling people what to do. That is, his ideas are the same as God's, so they should do what he says as obediently as if they were dogs. And if you think I'm exaggerating, you should be in the room when someone *fails* to do what he told them to do, and watch the wrath of God come down. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
a_non_moose_ff wrote: Locking ones happiness to where the rock goes will only bring pain. Happiness is a warm rock -- rolling the rock. I recall a section in Jack London's _Call of the Wild_ that discusses the dogs' unending yearning to pull the sleds. They don't care about the end point. They just want to be in harness. I think of those dogs whenever I lack a project. Give me a sled to pull! This impulse to be doing my work -- to write -- is probably what motivates these relatively pointless posts of mine. P.S. Sisyphus would be a great spokesman for Rolling Rock beer. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- a_non_moose_ff wrote: What the project is doesn't matter. Its not the fruit of the action that paramount. Its the masters reaction. And the process of intense focus on one BIG thing. Its all a process to root out vasannas. Life itself seems to provide plenty of opportunities for action without fruit. For Maharishi to promote such things seems redundant. As for what Maharishi intends to teach, call me a romantic, but I prefer the old progression of action, achievement and fulfillment. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- a_non_moose_ff wrote: What the project is doesn't matter. Its not the fruit of the action that paramount. Its the masters reaction. And the process of intense focus on one BIG thing. Its all a process to root out vasannas. Life itself seems to provide plenty of opportunities for action without fruit. For Maharishi to promote such things seems redundant. But you are mischaracterizing the mechanics I outlined, or misunderstanding them. And its not a path for everyone, or most. Its for a few that want or need it. The key is intense focus on one Big thing, a project beyond oneself. All energy focussed on that one big social, not personal, project. Attention on all other desires fades and the vasanas of such begin to dissipate. Then, and only then, is the second part relevant, the change phase (the rug pulling). As for what Maharishi intends to teach, call me a romantic, but I prefer the old progression of action, achievement and fulfillment. And thats a good sadhana. But, I am just curious, what specific achievements do you feel will bring you fulfillment? If you can't specify the achievements do you feel will bring you fulfillment, then it seems like its an endless, never ending chain. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:12 AM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:But you are mischaracterizing the mechanics I outlined, or misunderstanding them. And its not a path for everyone, or most. Its for a few that want or need it. The key is intense focus on one Big thing, a project beyond oneself. All energy focussed on that one big "social", not personal, project. Attention on all other desires fades and the vasanas of such begin to dissipate. Then, and only then, is the second part relevant, the change phase (the rug pulling). But if there is attachment to an end result ("one Big thing") that is not karma-yoga, it's karmic attachment. Simply placing them in an unending chain does not remove this basic fact.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 8, 2006, at 8:59 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 8, 2006, at 8:43 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though I think there is something very powerful in giving up, and rooting out, the search, path and desire for enlightenment. Which doesnot preclude still doing sadhana for other reasons. The search, path and desire for enlightenment is a huge vasana in itself. I think over time, other vasanas are roasted, as ones desire for enlightnement becomes a sole focus. Other vasansas become subordinated or fused up into the enlightenemnt seeking desire. Use of this or parallel dynamics is what MMY does, IMV, which many attribute to bizzare and strange personal and organizational behavior. I think there is great rhyme and reson to it. MMY creates grand projects that he strongly motivates his closer followers to feverently work towards and focus on, day and night, creating a deep desire in them to realize the project. 100% focus is given. All other concerns and desires, even marriage, fall by the wayside. The vasanas for all such desires thus weaken and atrophy. The only strong vasana is the current project. Then MMY pulls the rug out from under the followers on that project and starts a new one. Same process is repeated. All focus is give to the new project. All other desires and concerns become secondary or fall to very low on ones list. The corresponding vasanas weaken and atropy. Then the rug again is ripped out from under followers for the current BIG project. Repeated a number of times, all vasanas, are weakened, rooted out, atrophied and/or dissolved. What the project is doesn't matter. Its not the fruit of the action that paramount. Its the masters reaction. And the process of intense focus on one BIG thing. Its all a process to root out vasannas. Too gross a level to root out vasanas. I disagree. It is my experience that this method works. Perhaps I am deluded. Perhaps you are. :) OK is this Sparegg or Dr. P. talking? Not me. Dr. P. __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:12 AM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: But you are mischaracterizing the mechanics I outlined, or misunderstanding them. And its not a path for everyone, or most. Its for a few that want or need it. The key is intense focus on one Big thing, a project beyond oneself. All energy focussed on that one big social, not personal, project. Attention on all other desires fades and the vasanas of such begin to dissipate. Then, and only then, is the second part relevant, the change phase (the rug pulling). But if there is attachment to an end result (one Big thing) that is not karma-yoga, it's karmic attachment. Simply placing them in an unending chain does not remove this basic fact. Thats nice, but it has little with what I outlined. You are misunderstanding or mischaracerizing the process I have outlined. It is a process of two parts: the intense focus on a project outside of oneself, which takes attention off, and attenuates other desires, and then a rapid shift of attention off the core project onto another. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:40 AM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:12 AM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: But you are mischaracterizing the mechanics I outlined, or misunderstanding them. And its not a path for everyone, or most. Its for a few that want or need it. The key is intense focus on one Big thing, a project beyond oneself. All energy focussed on that one big "social", not personal, project. Attention on all other desires fades and the vasanas of such begin to dissipate. Then, and only then, is the second part relevant, the change phase (the rug pulling). But if there is attachment to an end result ("one Big thing") that is not karma-yoga, it's karmic attachment. Simply placing them in an unending chain does not remove this basic fact. Thats nice, but it has little with what I outlined. You are misunderstanding or mischaracerizing the process I have outlined. It is a process of two parts: the intense focus on a project outside of oneself, which takes attention off, and attenuates other desires, and then a rapid shift of attention off the core project onto another. Either way I do not see this as beneficial. I assumed you were joking around. It's also a known fact that people who are given jobs where unpredictability is the rule are more subject to stress-related diseases.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- a_non_moose_ff wrote: And its not a path for everyone, or most. Its for a few that want or need it. The key is intense focus on one Big thing, a project beyond oneself. All energy focussed on that one big social, not personal, project. Attention on all other desires fades and the vasanas of such begin to dissipate. Okay, I get it. Like when Jesus said to hate your family, maybe. Let it *all* go. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- a_non_moose_ff wrote: what specific achievements do you feel will bring you fulfillment? We may be talking about two different fulfillments. I'm talking about all the admitttedly fleeting stuff, from the satisfaction that comes from articulating a thought on Fairfield Life to fixing some broken thing around the house to billing a satisfied client. The ordinary fulfillments that contribute to what Jim Flanegin calls the magnificence of everyday life. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- a_non_moose_ff wrote: what specific achievements do you feel will bring you fulfillment? We may be talking about two different fulfillments. I'm talking about all the admitttedly fleeting stuff, from the satisfaction that comes from articulating a thought on Fairfield Life to fixing some broken thing around the house to billing a satisfied client. The ordinary fulfillments that contribute to what Jim Flanegin calls the magnificence of everyday life. Do you feel that has anything to do with spiritual growth, higher states, etc? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
What I'm picking up from a_non_moose's observation is that MMY-prescribed Big Projects are just that -- prescriptions for specific individuals. Like medical prescriptions, they could harm those for whom such a course is not indicated. Medicine is a poison when taken by the wrong people at the wrong times. And Maharishi is prescribing medicines. Is this what you're saying, non-moose? These Big Projects certainly frustrate me from my position on the outside looking in, but if a_non_moose says they helped him, I can't argue. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:40 AM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:12 AM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: But you are mischaracterizing the mechanics I outlined, or misunderstanding them. And its not a path for everyone, or most. Its for a few that want or need it. The key is intense focus on one Big thing, a project beyond oneself. All energy focussed on that one big social, not personal, project. Attention on all other desires fades and the vasanas of such begin to dissipate. Then, and only then, is the second part relevant, the change phase (the rug pulling). But if there is attachment to an end result (one Big thing) that is not karma-yoga, it's karmic attachment. Simply placing them in an unending chain does not remove this basic fact. Thats nice, but it has little with what I outlined. You are misunderstanding or mischaracerizing the process I have outlined. It is a process of two parts: the intense focus on a project outside of oneself, which takes attention off, and attenuates other desires, and then a rapid shift of attention off the core project onto another. Either way I do not see this as beneficial. I assumed you were joking around. It's also a known fact that people who are given jobs where unpredictability is the rule are more subject to stress-related diseases. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Gillam wrote: --- a_non_moose_ff wrote: what specific achievements do you feel will bring you fulfillment? We may be talking about two different fulfillments. I'm talking about all the admitttedly fleeting stuff, from the satisfaction that comes from articulating a thought on Fairfield Life to fixing some broken thing around the house to billing a satisfied client. The ordinary fulfillments that contribute to what Jim Flanegin calls the magnificence of everyday life. Do you feel that has anything to do with spiritual growth, higher states, etc? Do I feel my satisfactions and fulfillments have anything to do with growth of consciousness? Do I feel that everyday fulfillments have a magnificent quality due to growth of consciousness? I think the answer is yes. I hear a lot about people who achieve great things in life and report feeling empty. I achieve little things and feel full. Must be a good sign. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:40 AM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:12 AM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: But you are mischaracterizing the mechanics I outlined, or misunderstanding them. And its not a path for everyone, or most. Its for a few that want or need it. The key is intense focus on one Big thing, a project beyond oneself. All energy focussed on that one big social, not personal, project. Attention on all other desires fades and the vasanas of such begin to dissipate. Then, and only then, is the second part relevant, the change phase (the rug pulling). But if there is attachment to an end result (one Big thing) that is not karma-yoga, it's karmic attachment. Simply placing them in an unending chain does not remove this basic fact. Thats nice, but it has little with what I outlined. You are misunderstanding or mischaracerizing the process I have outlined. It is a process of two parts: the intense focus on a project outside of oneself, which takes attention off, and attenuates other desires, and then a rapid shift of attention off the core project onto another. Either way I do not see this as beneficial. I assumed you were joking around. It's also a known fact that people who are given jobs where unpredictability is the rule are more subject to stress-related diseases. Thats fine. I cannot prove, provide studies, that show it is effective. You may feel it is not, I may feel it is. The second dimension of the discussion is whether MMY uses such a technique on the inner circle, and larger circles to a lesser degree, and that this provides a quite rational explanation for what many view as bizzare behavior. You may feel it does not, I feel it does. No studies or sworn depositions by MMY to prove the point, so reasonable people may disagree. Or I may have observed thngs that you have not, which shapes my opinion. A third dimension is my claim that I have experienced benefit from the above, (outer circles) and from parallel phenomenon when something in which I have had massive vassanic investment, was lost. You may claim I recieved no benefit from such. In such a case, I would state you have no basis for such a position. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I'm picking up from a_non_moose's observation is that MMY-prescribed Big Projects are just that -- prescriptions for specific individuals. Like medical prescriptions, they could harm those for whom such a course is not indicated. Medicine is a poison when taken by the wrong people at the wrong times. And Maharishi is prescribing medicines. These Big Projects certainly frustrate me from my position on the outside looking in, but if a_non_moose says they helped him, I can't argue. Is this what you're saying, non-moose? Essentially yes. Just one observation: what you found as frustrating in the short term, may flower into a longer term benefit. This is a method for rapidly ripping out vassanas. Is not for everyone. Like removing a bullet form the body without anesthetic. It can initially hurt like hell, but longer run, it makes you stronger (than having the bullet / vassana fester within). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:40 AM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:12 AM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: But you are mischaracterizing the mechanics I outlined, or misunderstanding them. And its not a path for everyone, or most. Its for a few that want or need it. The key is intense focus on one Big thing, a project beyond oneself. All energy focussed on that one big social, not personal, project. Attention on all other desires fades and the vasanas of such begin to dissipate. Then, and only then, is the second part relevant, the change phase (the rug pulling). But if there is attachment to an end result (one Big thing) that is not karma-yoga, it's karmic attachment. Simply placing them in an unending chain does not remove this basic fact. Thats nice, but it has little with what I outlined. You are misunderstanding or mischaracerizing the process I have outlined. It is a process of two parts: the intense focus on a project outside of oneself, which takes attention off, and attenuates other desires, and then a rapid shift of attention off the core project onto another. Either way I do not see this as beneficial. I assumed you were joking around. It's also a known fact that people who are given jobs where unpredictability is the rule are more subject to stress-related diseases. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Gillam wrote: --- a_non_moose_ff wrote: what specific achievements do you feel will bring you fulfillment? We may be talking about two different fulfillments. I'm talking about all the admitttedly fleeting stuff, from the satisfaction that comes from articulating a thought on Fairfield Life to fixing some broken thing around the house to billing a satisfied client. The ordinary fulfillments that contribute to what Jim Flanegin calls the magnificence of everyday life. Do you feel that has anything to do with spiritual growth, higher states, etc? Do I feel my satisfactions and fulfillments have anything to do with growth of consciousness? Do I feel that everyday fulfillments have a magnificent quality due to growth of consciousness? I think the answer is yes. I hear a lot about people who achieve great things in life and report feeling empty. I achieve little things and feel full. Must be a good sign. And at some point you may feel full just pulling the sled like a wild dog. MMY said something like, Before god, we should be just like a dog, just estatically eager and happy to do whatever is 'asked' -- presented before us. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
On Jan 9, 2006, at 11:35 AM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:The second dimension of the discussion is whether MMY uses such a technique on the inner circle, and larger circles to a lesser degree, and that this provides a quite rational explanation for what many view as "bizzare" behavior. You may feel it does not, I feel it does. This has also been Dr. Pete's observation as well. Why do you feel it does?It is also similar in some ways to the chapter in Steve Brigg's book (which I believe Rick had posted a while back) where M. deliberately tries to test him, or so he claims. He fails the test because he has not surrendered to everything his guru utters.I was left wondering if this is the similar style of testing used by dictators and the like. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
On Jan 9, 2006, at 11:35 AM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:A third dimension is my claim that I have experienced benefit from the above, (outer circles) and from parallel phenomenon when something in which I have had massive vassanic investment, was lost. You may claim I recieved no benefit from such. In such a case, I would state you have no basis for such a position. Maybe that's what enlightened Bevanji. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 11:35 AM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: The second dimension of the discussion is whether MMY uses such a technique on the inner circle, and larger circles to a lesser degree, and that this provides a quite rational explanation for what many view as bizzare behavior. You may feel it does not, I feel it does. This has also been Dr. Pete's observation as well. Why do you feel it does? It is also similar in some ways to the chapter in Steve Brigg's book (which I believe Rick had posted a while back) where M. deliberately tries to test him, or so he claims. He fails the test because he has not surrendered to everything his guru utters. I was left wondering if this is the similar style of testing used by dictators and the like. To me, its not a testing thing -- I too find such odd. Its more an opportunity to be one pointed. You can do as much as you like and can. Like weights. The more you can focus on the one big, beyond your self project (seva) - the more other desires and underlying vasanas attenuate and atrophy. I have experienced that this process, along with the loss or carpet pulling part of losing the cherished project, or a sudden change to a new project, just nullifies a lot of old desires. You grow out of them. Angeline Jolie is a good current example. She said until five years ago, her life was wrapped up in pretty superfical things. Then she began working with the UN, became a special ambassador for refugee issues, devoted a lot of time to traveling to refugee camps around the world, adopted two 3rd world kids, etc. She said the focus of her whole life changed. All the desire for superficial stuff from 5 years ago, just disappeared. I think new parents go through a similar thing when they first have kids. All attention is put on the kids. Old desires dry up. Then the kids grow up and move away. Its a loss -- but over that 20 year cycle, a maturity is gained, and lots of youthful vassanas are attuneated or dried up. Same with the TMO at large. We all focussed on it. Other desires faded. Then we lost the TMO. Lots of pain and accomodation for a while. Over time, a new level of maturity, freedom (from old vassanas) has been gained. MMY does the same with acess to him. I have observed where he lavishes undue attention on someone. He becomes their one and only focus. Being with him is the end and be all of their existence. It is a burning desire. Burning away all other desires. Then he suddently ignores them. Rips that mega vasanna out (to which all other vassanas have surrendered to). Its painful. But makes the person stronger. In a much better state -- in the long fun. Same mechanics as with just falling in love and getting dumped. Its a path to great freedom, haha. can Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- a_non_moose_ff wrote: MMY said something like, Before god, we should be just like a dog, just estatically eager and happy to do whatever is 'asked' -- presented before us. Byron Katie would love it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 11:35 AM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: A third dimension is my claim that I have experienced benefit from the above, (outer circles) and from parallel phenomenon when something in which I have had massive vassanic investment, was lost. You may claim I recieved no benefit from such. In such a case, I would state you have no basis for such a position. Maybe that's what enlightened Bevanji. While not commenting on Bevan specifically, I think being at the core of all the Big Seva project / pull the rug out from under it stuff has a substantial purifying effect. Another variation of the same theme, is to do a lot of silly things, with a straight face, when the master asks you to. Think of all the crazy things Bevan has had to do -- all the while being very dignified. Its high burlesque. Sometimes the embarrasment tsk is part of the Big Seva project, sometime outside it. Aol's SSRS hs an exercise he has people do make a fool of yourself. He calls people to the stage and asks them to make as big a fool of themselves as they can. In front of a large audience. No, be MORE silly, You can be sillier than That! he will egg them on. The embarrassemnt burns through identity attachments. (Btw, SSRS LOVES I Love Lucy reruns. I think he loves the silliness that the actors submit themselves to.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
On Jan 9, 2006, at 12:50 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:Aol's SSRS hs an exercise he has people do "make a fool of yourself". He calls people to the stage and asks them to make as big a fool of themselves as they can. In front of a large audience. "No, be MORE silly, You can be sillier than That!" he will egg them on. The embarrassemnt burns through identity attachments. (Btw, SSRS LOVES I Love Lucy reruns. I think he loves the silliness that the actors submit themselves to.) That's great practice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 11:35 AM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: The second dimension of the discussion is whether MMY uses such a technique on the inner circle, and larger circles to a lesser degree, and that this provides a quite rational explanation for what many view as bizzare behavior. You may feel it does not, I feel it does. This has also been Dr. Pete's observation as well. Why do you feel it does? He's already explained this several times (quoted as well in the post you were responding to, but you appear to have deleted that part). It is also similar in some ways to the chapter in Steve Brigg's book (which I believe Rick had posted a while back) where M. deliberately tries to test him, or so he claims. He fails the test because he has not surrendered to everything his guru utters. I was left wondering if this is the similar style of testing used by dictators and the like. Guilt by association is always a useful propaganda technique. But as I suspect you know, Vaj, surrendering to the master is not exactly an approach MMY invented; in fact, I believe it could even be said to be traditional. Whether it's a test that one passes or fails, or simply a teaching technique, is another question that probably depends on the specific circumstances. Also, MMY has spoken about his own development of consciousness via surrendering to Guru Dev. What he describes includes tasks he was set by Guru Dev and how Guru Dev then pulled the rug out and had him undo the tasks or switch to something else entirely, very much like what MMY appears to be doing with his close followers. There's a lengthy discussion in MMY's Gita commentary (don't have it to hand at the moment) about not being attached to results that might shed light on this question as well. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
On Jan 9, 2006, at 1:51 PM, authfriend wrote:It is also similar in some ways to the chapter in Steve Brigg's book (which I believe Rick had posted a while back) where M. deliberately tries to test him, or so he claims. He fails the test because he has not surrendered to everything his guru utters. I was left wondering if this is the similar style of testing used by dictators and the like. Guilt by association is always a useful propaganda technique. But as I suspect you know, Vaj, "surrendering to the master" is not exactly an approach MMY invented; in fact, I believe it could even be said to be traditional. Actually I was thinking of Mahesh's appreciation of Hitler, the Purushas who dressed up with swastikas on, etc. One has to wonder how far the fascination he has on this goes. Given that his latest trend is towards schemes of world domination, creating his own countries political parties, money-- it's a damn good question to think about. Hearing Brigg's story about the globe he keeps in his main chamber one really wonders. Shades of Ian Flemming... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 1:51 PM, authfriend wrote: It is also similar in some ways to the chapter in Steve Brigg's book (which I believe Rick had posted a while back) where M. deliberately tries to test him, or so he claims. He fails the test because he has not surrendered to everything his guru utters. I was left wondering if this is the similar style of testing used by dictators and the like. Guilt by association is always a useful propaganda technique. But as I suspect you know, Vaj, surrendering to the master is not exactly an approach MMY invented; in fact, I believe it could even be said to be traditional. Actually I was thinking of Mahesh's appreciation of Hitler Uh-huh. Or that just occurred to you as a possible way to wiggle out of the guilt-by-association fallacy. I believe this is where Godwin's law comes into play... In any case, would you care to cite that appreciation for us, with sources and the details of what he is supposed to have said? , the Purushas who dressed up with swastikas on, etc. One has to wonder how far the fascination he has on this goes. Given that his latest trend is towards schemes of world domination, creating his own countries, political parties, money-- it's a damn good question to think about. Not. Hard to conceive of anything more apples and oranges. Hearing Brigg's story about the globe he keeps in his main chamber one really wonders. Shades of Ian Flemming... Oddly enough, you don't seem to have quoted, or responded to, the other points I made about the surrender-to-the-master approach, nor did you comment on the one point you *did* quote. Wonder why not? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
On Jan 9, 2006, at 2:41 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 1:51 PM, authfriend wrote: It is also similar in some ways to the chapter in Steve Brigg's book (which I believe Rick had posted a while back) where M. deliberately tries to test him, or so he claims. He fails the test because he has not surrendered to everything his guru utters. I was left wondering if this is the similar style of testing used by dictators and the like. Guilt by association is always a useful propaganda technique. But as I suspect you know, Vaj, surrendering to the master is not exactly an approach MMY invented; in fact, I believe it could even be said to be traditional. Actually I was thinking of Mahesh's appreciation of Hitler Uh-huh. Or that just occurred to you as a possible way to wiggle out of the guilt-by-association fallacy. I believe this is where Godwin's law comes into play... Perhaps, in your imagination. In any case, would you care to cite that appreciation for us, with sources and the details of what he is supposed to have said? They've been shared here. Rick was looking into it further as he had some sources on his Hitler admiration. , the Purushas who dressed up with swastikas on, etc. One has to wonder how far the fascination he has on this goes. Given that his latest trend is towards schemes of world domination, creating his own countries, political parties, money-- it's a damn good question to think about. Not. Hard to conceive of anything more apples and oranges. Hearing Brigg's story about the globe he keeps in his main chamber one really wonders. Shades of Ian Flemming... Oddly enough, you don't seem to have quoted, or responded to, the other points I made about the surrender-to-the-master approach, nor did you comment on the one point you *did* quote. Wonder why not? No need to respond. It's fairly common in many guru trips. I assume most are familiar with the guru-slave thing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY said something like, Before god, we should be just like a dog, just estatically eager and happy to do whatever is 'asked' -- presented before us. There you have it, in a nutshell. That's how he expected the people he made TM teachers to live their lives. A lot did, and still do. I guess if you like that sorta thing, the movement provides endless opportunities to jump through hoops. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY said something like, Before god, we should be just like a dog, just estatically eager and happy to do whatever is 'asked' -- presented before us. There you have it, in a nutshell. That's how he expected the people he made TM teachers to live their lives. A lot did, and still do. I guess if you like that sorta thing, the movement provides endless opportunities to jump through hoops. I guess thats an insightful observation. However, it has little to the theme of my post in whole. Taking anything out of context, an attaching ones own agenda to it, one can make any a point they want. You are free to do so. But, it haas little to do with my post. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 2:41 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 1:51 PM, authfriend wrote: It is also similar in some ways to the chapter in Steve Brigg's book (which I believe Rick had posted a while back) where M. deliberately tries to test him, or so he claims. He fails the test because he has not surrendered to everything his guru utters. I was left wondering if this is the similar style of testing used by dictators and the like. Guilt by association is always a useful propaganda technique. But as I suspect you know, Vaj, surrendering to the master is not exactly an approach MMY invented; in fact, I believe it could even be said to be traditional. Actually I was thinking of Mahesh's appreciation of Hitler Uh-huh. Or that just occurred to you as a possible way to wiggle out of the guilt-by-association fallacy. I believe this is where Godwin's law comes into play... Perhaps, in your imagination. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law In any case, would you care to cite that appreciation for us, with sources and the details of what he is supposed to have said? They've been shared here. I didn't ask whether they'd been shared here. I asked if you'd care to cite the appreciation for us, with sources and the details of what he is supposed to have said. I gather the answer is no. Rick was looking into it further as he had some sources on his Hitler admiration. , the Purushas who dressed up with swastikas on, etc. One has to wonder how far the fascination he has on this goes. Given that his latest trend is towards schemes of world domination, creating his own countries, political parties, money-- it's a damn good question to think about. Not. Hard to conceive of anything more apples and oranges. Hearing Brigg's story about the globe he keeps in his main chamber one really wonders. Shades of Ian Flemming... Oddly enough, you don't seem to have quoted, or responded to, the other points I made about the surrender-to-the-master approach, nor did you comment on the one point you *did* quote. Wonder why not? No need to respond. It's fairly common in many guru trips. I assume most are familiar with the guru-slave thing. You mean the traditional approach to enlightenment I mentioned? That's the approach that caused you to wonder if it was the similar style of testing used by dictators and the like, the one Krishna describes in the Gita, for example? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY said something like, Before god, we should be just like a dog, just estatically eager and happy to do whatever is 'asked' -- presented before us. There you have it, in a nutshell. That's how he expected the people he made TM teachers to live their lives. A lot did, and still do. I guess if you like that sorta thing, the movement provides endless opportunities to jump through hoops. Actually, according to what MMY said, it would be God who provides those opportunities. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
On Jan 9, 2006, at 4:29 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 2:41 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Jan 9, 2006, at 1:51 PM, authfriend wrote: It is also similar in some ways to the chapter in Steve Brigg's book (which I believe Rick had posted a while back) where M. deliberately tries to test him, or so he claims. He fails the test because he has not surrendered to everything his guru utters. I was left wondering if this is the similar style of testing used by dictators and the like. Guilt by association is always a useful propaganda technique. But as I suspect you know, Vaj, "surrendering to the master" is not exactly an approach MMY invented; in fact, I believe it could even be said to be traditional. Actually I was thinking of Mahesh's appreciation of Hitler Uh-huh. Or that just occurred to you as a possible way to wiggle out of the guilt-by-association fallacy. I believe this is where Godwin's law comes into play... Perhaps, in your imagination. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law In any case, would you care to cite that "appreciation" for us, with sources and the details of what he is supposed to have said? They've been shared here. I didn't ask whether they'd been "shared here." I asked if you'd care to cite the "appreciation" for us, with sources and the details of what he is supposed to have said. I gather the answer is no.The answer is more like 'I don't keep every post I've read here on hand, ready for retrieval.' Basically he had a real appreciation for Hitler, to the extent that he had a student read him all of Mein Kampf. The other person who told me this shared it off list, and that is his story to tell, not mine. I was hoping Rick would get back to us on it, because frankly it was one of the most bizarre thing I had ever heard. "Just when you thought it couldn't get any weirder". It does. Then all this world government and reports from inside people that he is interested in world domination? Sometime a cigar IS a cigar and megalomaniac IS a megalomaniac. Rick was looking into it further as he had some sources on his Hitler admiration. , the Purushas who dressed up with swastikas on, etc. One has to wonder how far the fascination he has on this goes. Given that his latest trend is towards schemes of world domination, creating his own countries, political parties, money-- it's a damn good question to think about. Not. Hard to conceive of anything more apples and oranges. Hearing Brigg's story about the globe he keeps in his main chamber one really wonders. Shades of Ian Flemming... Oddly enough, you don't seem to have quoted, or responded to, the other points I made about the surrender-to-the-master approach, nor did you comment on the one point you *did* quote. Wonder why not? No need to respond. It's fairly common in many guru trips. I assume most are familiar with the guru-slave thing. You mean the traditional approach to enlightenment I mentioned? That's the approach that caused you to wonder if it was "the similar style of testing used by dictators and the like," the one Krishna describes in the Gita, for example? No, it's not unusual to hear reports of paranoid people in high places "testing" those close to them, not out of some desire to do them better, but because they're frickin' paranoid megalomaniacs...I mean you can't help but put 2 2 together here:-history of extreme, "it's the CIA" paranoia to people who are not CIA. Paranoid ideation.-develops plans for his own world government with his own self-proclaimed name/title as part of it.-develops his own monetary system.-talks about tearing down cities and then buying the new ones off of him.-gloats over a globe of the planet in his forest lair like someone from a James Bond movie...A BAD James Bond movie with Roger Moore.-don't touch me. No not even the feet, ok?-surrounds himself with mad scientists.-begins setting up millionaires as kings in his government, i.e. acting republican.-Bevan ...no just kidding, I like Bevan.etc.Where better to place a pathology than in the eastern slavishness of an extreme guru/disciple relationship? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 4:29 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 2:41 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 1:51 PM, authfriend wrote: It is also similar in some ways to the chapter in Steve Brigg's book (which I believe Rick had posted a while back) where M. deliberately tries to test him, or so he claims. He fails the test because he has not surrendered to everything his guru utters. I was left wondering if this is the similar style of testing used by dictators and the like. Guilt by association is always a useful propaganda technique. But as I suspect you know, Vaj, surrendering to the master is not exactly an approach MMY invented; in fact, I believe it could even be said to be traditional. Actually I was thinking of Mahesh's appreciation of Hitler Uh-huh. Or that just occurred to you as a possible way to wiggle out of the guilt-by-association fallacy. I believe this is where Godwin's law comes into play... Perhaps, in your imagination. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law In any case, would you care to cite that appreciation for us, with sources and the details of what he is supposed to have said? They've been shared here. I didn't ask whether they'd been shared here. I asked if you'd care to cite the appreciation for us, with sources and the details of what he is supposed to have said. I gather the answer is no. The answer is more like 'I don't keep every post I've read here on hand, ready for retrieval.' Basically he had a real appreciation for Hitler, to the extent that he had a student read him all of Mein Kampf. The other person who told me this shared it off list, and that is his story to tell, not mine. You just said, when I asked for documentation, that it had been shared here, and that it was in previous posts you'd read. Now you say it was shared with you privately. Which is it? Appreciation of Hitler can mean a lot of things, depending on who's doing the appreciation and on what basis. It's not a phrase that should be cited without a good deal of context, unless one's intention is to smear the person of whom it's said. I was hoping Rick would get back to us on it, because frankly it was one of the most bizarre thing I had ever heard. Just when you thought it couldn't get any weirder. It does. Then all this world government and reports from inside people that he is interested in world domination? Sometime a cigar IS a cigar and megalomaniac IS a megalomaniac. Which inside people are these? Is world domination a phrase being attributed to MMY, and if so, in what context was he using it? What did he mean by it? And remember how old he is. snip No need to respond. It's fairly common in many guru trips. I assume most are familiar with the guru-slave thing. You mean the traditional approach to enlightenment I mentioned? That's the approach that caused you to wonder if it was the similar style of testing used by dictators and the like, the one Krishna describes in the Gita, for example? No, it's not unusual to hear reports of paranoid people in high places testing those close to them, not out of some desire to do them better, but because they're frickin' paranoid megalomaniacs... The context was MMY's apparent approach of teaching followers not to be attached to the goal, not testing. *You* brought up testing--Steve Briggs' idea that MMY had been testing him--as if it were the same thing, then compared testing to dictators, then claimed MMY was an admirer of Hitler. I pointed out that surrender to the guru was a traditional approach to enlightenment, not something MMY had invented. You then called that traditional approach a guru trip and a guru-slave thing. The strange connections here, and the subsequent reluctance to acknowledge them, are all yours. I mean you can't help but put 2 2 together here: -history of extreme, it's the CIA paranoia to people who are not CIA. Paranoid ideation. -develops plans for his own world government with his own self- proclaimed name/title as part of it. -develops his own monetary system. -talks about tearing down cities and then buying the new ones off of him. -gloats over a globe of the planet in his forest lair like someone from a James Bond movie...A BAD James Bond movie with Roger Moore. -don't touch me. No not even the feet, ok? -surrounds himself with mad scientists. -begins setting up millionaires as kings in his government, i.e. acting republican. -Bevan ...no just kidding, I like Bevan. etc. Where better to place a pathology than in the eastern slavishness of an extreme guru/disciple relationship? And you claim *MMY* is paranoid?? Vaj, you're beginning
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I'm picking up from a_non_moose's observation is that MMY-prescribed Big Projects are just that -- prescriptions for specific individuals. Like medical prescriptions, they could harm those for whom such a course is not indicated. Medicine is a poison when taken by the wrong people at the wrong times. And Maharishi is prescribing medicines. Is this what you're saying, non-moose? These Big Projects certainly frustrate me from my position on the outside looking in, but if a_non_moose says they helped him, I can't argue. Actually, a friend of mine once commented that she thought the whole MA craze was a way of giving something Chopra to do. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Gillam wrote: --- a_non_moose_ff wrote: what specific achievements do you feel will bring you fulfillment? We may be talking about two different fulfillments. I'm talking about all the admitttedly fleeting stuff, from the satisfaction that comes from articulating a thought on Fairfield Life to fixing some broken thing around the house to billing a satisfied client. The ordinary fulfillments that contribute to what Jim Flanegin calls the magnificence of everyday life. Do you feel that has anything to do with spiritual growth, higher states, etc? Do I feel my satisfactions and fulfillments have anything to do with growth of consciousness? Do I feel that everyday fulfillments have a magnificent quality due to growth of consciousness? I think the answer is yes. I hear a lot about people who achieve great things in life and report feeling empty. I achieve little things and feel full. Must be a good sign. Achieve nothing and feel everything... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I'm picking up from a_non_moose's observation is that MMY-prescribed Big Projects are just that -- prescriptions for specific individuals. Like medical prescriptions, they could harm those for whom such a course is not indicated. Medicine is a poison when taken by the wrong people at the wrong times. And Maharishi is prescribing medicines. These Big Projects certainly frustrate me from my position on the outside looking in, but if a_non_moose says they helped him, I can't argue. Is this what you're saying, non-moose? Essentially yes. Just one observation: what you found as frustrating in the short term, may flower into a longer term benefit. This is a method for rapidly ripping out vassanas. Is not for everyone. Like removing a bullet form the body without anesthetic. It can initially hurt like hell, but longer run, it makes you stronger (than having the bullet / vassana fester within). In a nutshell: that which does not kill us, makes us strong. Which I don't necessarily agree with, but certainly many things have happened in my life which I didn't enjoy and yet they seem to have brought about some measure of growth in SOME sense, simply as I learned to cope. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 11:35 AM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: The second dimension of the discussion is whether MMY uses such a technique on the inner circle, and larger circles to a lesser degree, and that this provides a quite rational explanation for what many view as bizzare behavior. You may feel it does not, I feel it does. This has also been Dr. Pete's observation as well. Why do you feel it does? It is also similar in some ways to the chapter in Steve Brigg's book (which I believe Rick had posted a while back) where M. deliberately tries to test him, or so he claims. He fails the test because he has not surrendered to everything his guru utters. I was left wondering if this is the similar style of testing used by dictators and the like. Maybe. Of course, perhaps Rick misunderstood the test. It's entirely possible that he PASSED by questioning MMY, but missed the point. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 11:35 AM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: A third dimension is my claim that I have experienced benefit from the above, (outer circles) and from parallel phenomenon when something in which I have had massive vassanic investment, was lost. You may claim I recieved no benefit from such. In such a case, I would state you have no basis for such a position. Maybe that's what enlightened Bevanji. I take it you're certain that Bevan isn't enlightened? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 11:35 AM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: A third dimension is my claim that I have experienced benefit from the above, (outer circles) and from parallel phenomenon when something in which I have had massive vassanic investment, was lost. You may claim I recieved no benefit from such. In such a case, I would state you have no basis for such a position. Maybe that's what enlightened Bevanji. I take it you're certain that Bevan isn't enlightened? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
On Jan 9, 2006, at 5:30 PM, authfriend wrote:You just said, when I asked for documentation, that it had been shared here, and that it was in previous posts you'd read. Now you say it was shared with you privately. Which is it?Both. "Appreciation of Hitler" can mean a lot of things, depending on who's doing the appreciation and on what basis. It's not a phrase that should be cited without a good deal of context, unless one's intention is to smear the person of whom it's said. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY said something like, Before god, we should be just like a dog, just estatically eager and happy to do whatever is 'asked' -- presented before us. There you have it, in a nutshell. That's how he expected the people he made TM teachers to live their lives. A lot did, and still do. I guess if you like that sorta thing, the movement provides endless opportunities to jump through hoops. So MMY is God, in the eyes of many/most of his followers? Did you ever feel that way? Did youknow anyone who did? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
On Jan 9, 2006, at 5:30 PM, authfriend wrote: I was hoping Rick would get back to us on it, because frankly it was one of the most bizarre thing I had ever heard. "Just when you thought it couldn't get any weirder". It does. Then all this world government and reports from inside people that he is interested in world domination? Sometime a cigar IS a cigar and megalomaniac IS a megalomaniac. Which "inside people" are these? Is "world domination" a phrase being attributed to MMY, and if so, in what context was he using it? What did he mean by it?Yes by some. Referring to his insatiable desires. IIRC correctly it was his personal allopathic physician. And remember how old he is.Yes, that's been more and more obvious. snip No need to respond. It's fairly common in many guru trips. I assume most are familiar with the guru-slave thing. You mean the traditional approach to enlightenment I mentioned? That's the approach that caused you to wonder if it was "the similar style of testing used by dictators and the like," the one Krishna describes in the Gita, for example? No, it's not unusual to hear reports of paranoid people in high places "testing" those close to them, not out of some desire to do them better, but because they're frickin' paranoid megalomaniacs... The context was MMY's apparent approach of teaching followers not to be attached to the goal, not "testing." *You* brought up testing--Steve Briggs' idea that MMY had been testing him--as if it were the same thing, then compared testing to dictators, then claimed MMY was an admirer of Hitler. I pointed out that "surrender to the guru" was a traditional approach to enlightenment, not something MMY had invented. You then called that traditional approach a "guru trip" and a "guru-slave thing." The strange connections here, and the subsequent reluctance to acknowledge them, are all yours.I'm not reluctant at all. I'm merely pointing out all the possibilities by pointing out the extreme possibilities in a humorous way. In the full context of his behavior it's impossible to know which represents the real Mahesh. I mean you can't help but put 2 2 together here: -history of extreme, "it's the CIA" paranoia to people who are not CIA. Paranoid ideation. -develops plans for his own world government with his own self- proclaimed name/title as part of it. -develops his own monetary system. -talks about tearing down cities and then buying the new ones off of him. -gloats over a globe of the planet in his forest lair like someone from a James Bond movie...A BAD James Bond movie with Roger Moore. -don't touch me. No not even the feet, ok? -surrounds himself with mad scientists. -begins setting up millionaires as kings in his government, i.e. acting republican. -Bevan ...no just kidding, I like Bevan. etc. Where better to place a pathology than in the eastern slavishness of an extreme guru/disciple relationship? And you claim *MMY* is paranoid??Well just really repeating what others recently have observed on this list re: the CIA thing/renting out floors above and below him, etc. Vaj, you're beginning to sound like the nutcases who went after Bill Clinton. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 5:30 PM, authfriend wrote: snip Which inside people are these? Is world domination a phrase being attributed to MMY, and if so, in what context was he using it? What did he mean by it? Yes by some. Referring to his insatiable desires. IIRC correctly it was his personal allopathic physician. So according to some (i.e., one person), MMY used the phrase world domination to refer to his insatiable desires? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Gillam wrote: --- a_non_moose_ff wrote: what specific achievements do you feel will bring you fulfillment? We may be talking about two different fulfillments. I'm talking about all the admitttedly fleeting stuff, from the satisfaction that comes from articulating a thought on Fairfield Life to fixing some broken thing around the house to billing a satisfied client. The ordinary fulfillments that contribute to what Jim Flanegin calls the magnificence of everyday life. Do you feel that has anything to do with spiritual growth, higher states, etc? Do I feel my satisfactions and fulfillments have anything to do with growth of consciousness? Do I feel that everyday fulfillments have a magnificent quality due to growth of consciousness? I think the answer is yes. I hear a lot about people who achieve great things in life and report feeling empty. I achieve little things and feel full. Must be a good sign. Achieve nothing and feel everything... haha. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 8, 2006, at 8:43 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though I think there is something very powerful in giving up, and rooting out, the search, path and desire for enlightenment. Which doesnot preclude still doing sadhana for other reasons. The search, path and desire for enlightenment is a huge vasana in itself. I think over time, other vasanas are roasted, as ones desire for enlightnement becomes a sole focus. Other vasansas become subordinated or fused up into the enlightenemnt seeking desire. Use of this or parallel dynamics is what MMY does, IMV, which many attribute to bizzare and strange personal and organizational behavior. I think there is great rhyme and reson to it. MMY creates grand projects that he strongly motivates his closer followers to feverently work towards and focus on, day and night, creating a deep desire in them to realize the project. 100% focus is given. All other concerns and desires, even marriage, fall by the wayside. The vasanas for all such desires thus weaken and atrophy. The only strong vasana is the current project. Then MMY pulls the rug out from under the followers on that project and starts a new one. Same process is repeated. All focus is give to the new project. All other desires and concerns become secondary or fall to very low on ones list. The corresponding vasanas weaken and atropy. Then the rug again is ripped out from under followers for the current BIG project. Repeated a number of times, all vasanas, are weakened, rooted out, atrophied and/or dissolved. What the project is doesn't matter. Its not the fruit of the action that paramount. Its the masters reaction. And the process of intense focus on one BIG thing. Its all a process to root out vasannas. Too gross a level to root out vasanas. I disagree. It is my experience that this method works. Perhaps I am deluded. Perhaps you are. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 8, 2006, at 8:43 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though I think there is something very powerful in giving up, and rooting out, the search, path and desire for enlightenment. Which doesnot preclude still doing sadhana for other reasons. The search, path and desire for enlightenment is a huge vasana in itself. I think over time, other vasanas are roasted, as ones desire for enlightnement becomes a sole focus. Other vasansas become subordinated or fused up into the enlightenemnt seeking desire. Use of this or parallel dynamics is what MMY does, IMV, which many attribute to bizzare and strange personal and organizational behavior. I think there is great rhyme and reson to it. MMY creates grand projects that he strongly motivates his closer followers to feverently work towards and focus on, day and night, creating a deep desire in them to realize the project. 100% focus is given. All other concerns and desires, even marriage, fall by the wayside. The vasanas for all such desires thus weaken and atrophy. The only strong vasana is the current project. Then MMY pulls the rug out from under the followers on that project and starts a new one. Same process is repeated. All focus is give to the new project. All other desires and concerns become secondary or fall to very low on ones list. The corresponding vasanas weaken and atropy. Then the rug again is ripped out from under followers for the current BIG project. Repeated a number of times, all vasanas, are weakened, rooted out, atrophied and/or dissolved. What the project is doesn't matter. Its not the fruit of the action that paramount. Its the masters reaction. And the process of intense focus on one BIG thing. Its all a process to root out vasannas. Too gross a level to root out vasanas. I disagree. It is my experience that this method works. Perhaps I am deluded. Perhaps you are. :) This is the real meaning of The Myth of Sisyphus, IMV. Pushing the rock up the hill, only to have it fall down, time and time again, is really a process of ripping out vasanas. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- a_non_moose_ff wrote: This is the real meaning of The Myth of Sisyphus, IMV. Pushing the rock up the hill, only to have it fall down, time and time again, is really a process of ripping out vasanas. Interesting, in the light of your experience. Although I would have thought the opposite -- that Sisyphus was in the trap of habitual behavior, unable to do anything differently, unable to be free. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
On Jan 8, 2006, at 8:59 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 8, 2006, at 8:43 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though I think there is something very powerful in giving up, and rooting out, the search, path and desire for enlightenment. Which doesnot preclude still doing sadhana for other reasons. The search, path and desire for enlightenment is a huge vasana in itself. I think over time, other vasanas are roasted, as ones desire for enlightnement becomes a sole focus. Other vasansas become subordinated or fused up into the enlightenemnt seeking desire. Use of this or parallel dynamics is what MMY does, IMV, which many attribute to bizzare and strange personal and organizational behavior. I think there is great rhyme and reson to it. MMY creates grand projects that he strongly motivates his closer followers to feverently work towards and focus on, day and night, creating a deep desire in them to realize the project. 100% focus is given. All other concerns and desires, even marriage, fall by the wayside. The vasanas for all such desires thus weaken and atrophy. The only strong vasana is the current project. Then MMY pulls the rug out from under the followers on that project and starts a new one. Same process is repeated. All focus is give to the new project. All other desires and concerns become secondary or fall to very low on ones list. The corresponding vasanas weaken and atropy. Then the rug again is ripped out from under followers for the current BIG project. Repeated a number of times, all vasanas, are weakened, rooted out, atrophied and/or dissolved. What the project is doesn't matter. Its not the fruit of the action that paramount. Its the masters reaction. And the process of intense focus on one BIG thing. Its all a process to root out vasannas. Too gross a level to root out vasanas. I disagree. It is my experience that this method works. Perhaps I am deluded. Perhaps you are. :) OK is this Sparegg or Dr. P. talking? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
On Jan 8, 2006, at 9:10 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 8, 2006, at 8:43 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though I think there is something very powerful in giving up, and rooting out, the search, path and desire for enlightenment. Which doesnot preclude still doing sadhana for other reasons. The search, path and desire for enlightenment is a huge vasana in itself. I think over time, other vasanas are roasted, as ones desire for enlightnement becomes a sole focus. Other vasansas become subordinated or fused up into the enlightenemnt seeking desire. Use of this or parallel dynamics is what MMY does, IMV, which many attribute to bizzare and strange personal and organizational behavior. I think there is great rhyme and reson to it. MMY creates grand projects that he strongly motivates his closer followers to feverently work towards and focus on, day and night, creating a deep desire in them to realize the project. 100% focus is given. All other concerns and desires, even marriage, fall by the wayside. The vasanas for all such desires thus weaken and atrophy. The only strong vasana is the current project. Then MMY pulls the rug out from under the followers on that project and starts a new one. Same process is repeated. All focus is give to the new project. All other desires and concerns become secondary or fall to very low on ones list. The corresponding vasanas weaken and atropy. Then the rug again is ripped out from under followers for the current BIG project. Repeated a number of times, all vasanas, are weakened, rooted out, atrophied and/or dissolved. What the project is doesn't matter. Its not the fruit of the action that paramount. Its the masters reaction. And the process of intense focus on one BIG thing. Its all a process to root out vasannas. Too gross a level to root out vasanas. I disagree. It is my experience that this method works. Perhaps I am deluded. Perhaps you are. :) This is the real meaning of The Myth of Sisyphus, IMV. Pushing the rock up the hill, only to have it fall down, time and time again, is really a process of ripping out vasanas. Yep, Doc P. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- a_non_moose_ff wrote: This is the real meaning of The Myth of Sisyphus, IMV. Pushing the rock up the hill, only to have it fall down, time and time again, is really a process of ripping out vasanas. Interesting, in the light of your experience. Although I would have thought the opposite -- that Sisyphus was in the trap of habitual behavior, unable to do anything differently, unable to be free. Sisyphus has control of pushing the rock (action) alone, not over the fruits of pushing the rock (getting it to the top of the mountain). Sad are those that live solely for the fruit of pushing the rock. Having the rock repeated fall to the bottom of the hill, ultimately frees Sisyphus from the bondage (vasanas) of desires -- as epitomized by achieving HIS goal -- getting the rock to the top of the mountain. The myth is illustrative in many ways. Initially, its a big deal to Sisyphus to get the rock to the top of the mountain. That is the symbol of all of his desires. But its pretty arbitrary. Why is have the rock at the top of the mountain better than having it any other place on the mountain? After repeatedly focusing all of his attention and energy to get the rock to the top, the fruits are ripped from him. In time, he sees that what is important is to just be able to roll the rock (which was the early phrase that later became the term rock'n'roll). Nature, that is all sorts of other outside factors, which one has little control over, will determine where the rock actually goes. Locking ones happiness to where the rock goes will only bring pain. Happiness is a warm rock -- rolling the rock. So sex, drugs and roll the rock! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
