[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-03-02 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +++ Rather than a level, I should have said rate of evolving. Everyone seems to be in a frantic race to be enlightened but, I think it is easier to enjoy and let it go easily. I am quite busy enjoying work

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-03-01 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-28 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: What

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-28 Thread Vaj
On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:50 PM, authfriend wrote:I was actually serious. I often thought of you as similar to  Camille   (in a positive sense), therefore it was surprising to hear you  find   her offensive in some way and therefore the post seemed unlike   you...however... people often

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/25/06 12:35:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with another man they way he would with a woman. (paraphrased). I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/25/06 1:11:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with another man they way he would with a woman. (paraphrased). I think

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/25/06 1:10:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, jstein@ writes: Well, actually the Hebrew Scriptures are exactly, precisely that,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Camille Paglia is bullshit. Judy, this post seems very unlike you, why do you say this? Uh, because I think she's bullshit? (Not sure why it seems

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/25/06 12:35:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with another man they way he would with a woman. (paraphrased). I think

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/26/06 6:17:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: According to the Bible, they didn't want to have toshare their prosperity with every stranger who camealong.I suspect they could have found other means, but rapewas a pretty effective threat, and,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/26/06 6:48:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christ. What Christ is saying is that the people of a town that refuses his message are in far worse condition because the message was offered and rejected where as it was never offered to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/26/06 6:17:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: According to the Bible, they didn't want to have to share their prosperity with every stranger who came along. I suspect they

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/26/06 6:48:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christ. What Christ is saying is that the people of a town that refuses his message are in far worse condition because the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/27/06 9:29:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the Hebrew Scriptures are full of tales of suchpunishments of one unpleasant, violent sort or another.Jesus chose the destruction of Sodom because it workedin three respects: a punishment

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/27/06 1:56:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's the punishment for this "abomination?" Failing to observe the Sabbath (always Saturday, sorry non-7th-dayers) is punishable by being stoned or banished. What's the set punishment for

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: --- anonyff wrote: --- authfriend wrote: Camille Paglia is bullshit. Judy, this post seems very unlike you, why do you say this? Uh, because I think she's bullshit? (Not sure why it seems unlike me.) I haven't analyzed your posts, Judy, but I would

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/27/06 9:29:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the Hebrew Scriptures are full of tales of such punishments of one unpleasant, violent sort or another. Jesus chose the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/27/06 1:56:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's the punishment for this abomination? Failing to observe the Sabbath (always Saturday, sorry non-7th-dayers) is punishable by

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality... on 2/27/06 10:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/27/06 9:29:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the Hebrew Scriptures are full of tales of such punishments of one

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/27/06 10:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/27/06 9:29:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the Hebrew Scriptures are full of tales of such

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend wrote: --- anonyff wrote: --- authfriend wrote: Camille Paglia is bullshit. Judy, this post seems very unlike you, why do you say this? Uh, because I think she's bullshit?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Vaj
On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:44 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote: Camille Paglia is bullshit. Judy, this post seems very unlike you, why do you say this? Uh, because I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Vaj
On Feb 27, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 2/27/06 10:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 2/27/06 9:29:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the  Hebrew Scriptures are full of tales of such punishments of one unpleasant,  violent

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread foufou_fl
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] The following is an open letter to Dr.Laura penned by a US resident and also posted on the Internet:- Actually it was penned by an US Pesident: Jeb Bartlett of West Wing -- it was part of the script of one of the shows.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread foufou_fl
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:44 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Camille Paglia is bullshit. Why do

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality... on 2/27/06 10:38 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus f*cking Christ are you going to be smote for posting that! We must inquire, who is the smiter, and who the smitee? Isnt there really only one of us? And is there really

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:44 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Camille Paglia is bullshit.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Vaj
On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 2/27/06 10:38 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Jesus f*cking Christ are you going to be smote for posting that!We must inquire, who is the smiter, and who the smitee? Isn’t there really only one of us? And is there really a process of smiting,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/25/06 12:35:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Vaj
On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:17 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:44 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@  wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Sal Sunshine
Maybe this is the abridged version. :) Sal On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: I haven't analyzed your posts, Judy, but I would venture that if I did, I'd find most have a beginning, a middle and an end: Camille Paglia is bullshit because she's wrong. Every study of rape

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread foufou_fl
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe this is the abridged version. :) Sal Abridged over troubled waters? On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: I haven't analyzed your posts, Judy, but I would venture that if I did, I'd

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/25/06 12:35:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:17 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:44 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: in this case I was responding to a post which stated flatly that Paglia had said rape was about sex, no further argument, so a flatly stated response seemed appropriate. Oh yeah, it was perfect. And your rationale for not elaborating makes utter sense. Thanks. (Love

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Vaj
On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:41 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:I know that might sound harsh, so I'll explain. In my opinion, EVERY SINGLE "HOLY" BOOK IN THE HISTORY OF THIS PLANET WAS WRITTEN BY MEN, FOR MEN. A few of them IMO may have been "inspired," in the sense that they were written by or dictated by

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about texts that require a certain level or state of consciousness to even grok? Sometimes there's more to the text than meets the eye. :-) Indeed. The claim that a book can only be understood by a few might, in fact,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Vaj
On Feb 27, 2006, at 1:10 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about texts that require a certain level or state of   consciousness to even grok? Sometimes there's more to the text than meets the eye. :-) Indeed. The claim that a book can

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 27, 2006, at 1:10 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: What about texts that require a certain level or state of consciousness to even grok? Sometimes there's more

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Vaj
On Feb 27, 2006, at 1:33 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 27, 2006, at 1:10 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: What about texts that require a certain level or state of consciousness to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Other than that we can both be abrasive and both loathe what seems to us to be hypocrisy, no. But her abrasiveness and hatred of hypocrisy aren't why I think she's full of it. you abrasive? come on now!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/27/06 10:32:48 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Homosexual acts between two people of homosexualpreference are engaged in for "pleasure" and, often,out of deep emotional feelings of love, just as withheterosexuals.Homosexual acts between two

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/27/06 10:32:48 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Homosexual acts between two people of homosexual preference are engaged in for pleasure and, often, out of deep emotional feelings

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also NOT having photographic memory myself, I can see why writing is important. I always thought that photographic memory was useful only with written texts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO *none* of them was either written by God or inspired by God. What a revolutionary claim made by a man not believing in God anyway. How could he have inspired a book if he doesn't exist? (in your book)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to remember that in Hebrews 16:4 the punishment for being uptight about *anything* related to sex was to reincarnate in a place and time where people argue endlessly about such things on something the prophets

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/27/06 3:25:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, it would be rather difficult to provide youwith hard evidence at this juncture. However, asI've noted, there's excellent historical/culturalevidence that anal rape was a means of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/27/06 3:25:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, it would be rather difficult to provide you with hard evidence at this juncture. However, as I've noted, there's excellent

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: What about texts that require a certain level or state of consciousness to even grok? Sometimes there's more to the text than meets the eye. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Dr. Laura, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/27/06 3:25:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, jstein@ writes: Well, it would be rather difficult to provide you with hard

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: What about texts that require a certain level or state of consciousness to even

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/27/06 1:56:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, sparaig@ writes: What's the punishment for this abomination? Failing to observe the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: IMO *none* of them was either written by God or inspired by God. What a revolutionary claim made by a man not believing in God anyway. How could

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/25/06 8:12:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me ask it this way: Do you think they wanted to rape Lot's visitors because they were horny? In other words, was the point sexual gratification? Would it matter? Would the act be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/25/06 8:49:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What a family. And what a great book from which to take instruction about family values and sexual mores! And what does that say about homosexuality in the eyes of God? At least Leviticus deals

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/26/06 12:13:43 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you know, if this stuff were in the Koran, the fundies would be using it as evidence of how bad Islam is... It probably is in the Koran. Much of the Bible is found in the Koran with a few

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/26/06 12:29:53 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Better yet: Billy Crystal's impersonation of Edward J. Robinson's biblical character from "The Ten Commandments": "Where's your Moses now? Where's your King of the Jews now?", done in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- MDixon6569 wrote: The men of Sodom tried to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/26/06 12:29:53 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Better yet: Billy Crystal's impersonation of Edward J. Robinson's biblical character from The Ten Commandments: Where's your

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/25/06 8:12:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me ask it this way: Do you think they wanted to rape Lot's visitors because they were horny? In other words, was the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What a family. And what a great book from which to take instruction about family values and sexual mores! Leviticus deals with the rest at a later place in the Bible as society evolves. Cite some passages and I'll look them

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/25/06 8:12:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, jstein@ writes: Let me ask it this way: Do you think they wanted to rape Lot's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- MDixon6569@ wrote: jpgillam@ writes: What a family. And what a great book from which to take instruction about family values and sexual mores! Leviticus deals with the rest at a later place in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread foufou_fl
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- MDixon6569@ wrote: jpgillam@ writes: What a family. And what a great book from which to take instruction about family

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend wrote: There's an excellent (and very balanced) rundown of the various interpretations of the primary passage, Leviticus 18:22, here: http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh.htm Yes,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/26/06 12:19:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: suggests otherwise--i.e., that the men of Sodom weren'thomosexual or even bisexual, and that the threatened rapewas not a function of sexual desire on their part, butrather an attempt to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/26/06 12:21:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Cite some passages and I'll look them up. Thanks. Try Leviticus 18 Forbidden Sexual practices. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/26/06 12:31:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But remember that the kingdom of God is coming soon.' I tell you, on the judgment day it will be worse for the people of that town than for the people of Sodom."It appears that as far as Jesus

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/26/06 12:19:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: suggests otherwise--i.e., that the men of Sodom weren't homosexual or even bisexual, and that the threatened rape was not a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/26/06 12:31:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But remember that the kingdom of God is coming soon.' I tell you, on the judgment day it will be worse for the people of that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread foufou_fl
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rape generally--including heterosexual rape--is not about sex but about power. I am sure it is generally, Susan Brownmiller's work and all, but it occured to me a large category of rape -- date rape -- is primarily

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Rape generally--including heterosexual rape--is not about sex but about power. I am sure it is generally, Susan Brownmiller's work and all, but

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Rape generally--including heterosexual rape--is not about sex but about power. Camille Paglia says that's bullshit. Of couse, she says, rape is about sex. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [snip] Rape generally--including heterosexual rape--is not about sex but about power. Camille Paglia says that's bullshit. Of couse, she

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [snip] Rape generally--including heterosexual rape--is not

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Camille Paglia is bullshit. Judy, this post seems very unlike you, why do you say this? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/24/06 8:35:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess that pretty much sums up all that these holy books would have had to say if they wanted to ban homosexuals. Anyone

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/25/06 12:35:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with anotherman they way he would with a woman. (paraphrased). I think that gets the point across without being too graphic.I am not a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/25/06 1:11:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with another man they way he would with a woman. (paraphrased). I think that gets the point across without being too graphic.That's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/25/06 1:11:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with another man they way he would with a woman. (paraphrased). I think

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/25/06 12:35:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with another man they way he would with a woman. (paraphrased). I think

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/25/06 1:11:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with another man they way he would with a woman. (paraphrased). I think

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/25/06 1:11:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, shempmcgurk@ writes: The Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/25/06 1:11:44 A.M. Central Standard Time,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/25/06 1:10:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, actually the Hebrew Scriptures are exactly,precisely that, as far as Judaism is concerned.Have you really never heard of the Covenant betweenGod and His Chosen People?And as to rabbis

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/25/06 1:56:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shemp That's the only verse, from Leviticus, that I remember off hand. I pretty sure there is more. The Bible wasn't written in legalese as a contract between man and God. Could you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/25/06 2:00:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, actually, isn't that precisely what the Talmud is... basically, volume after volume after volume of "legalese" of the contract between man and God?Between Jews and God, yes, indeed,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/25/06 1:10:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, actually the Hebrew Scriptures are exactly, precisely that, as far as Judaism is concerned. Have you really never heard of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/25/06 1:56:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shemp That's the only verse, from Leviticus, that I remember off hand. I pretty sure there is more. The Bible wasn't written

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/25/06 5:22:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me ask it this way: Do you think they wanted torape Lot's visitors because they were horny? Inother words, was the point sexual gratification? Would it matter? Would the act be justified

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/25/06 5:28:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Law as laid down in the Torah was in what amountedto legalese of the time. I wouldn't presume to know that. However it might be funny to hear Leviticus redone in modern day legalese. To

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread Sal Sunshine
What I have always understood about the Talmud was that it was a commentary on every aspect of the Torah that the rabbis writing it could come up with, the Torah being the basis of Jewish law. x-tad-biggerTraditional Judaism has always held that the books of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/25/06 5:22:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me ask it this way: Do you think they wanted to rape Lot's visitors because they were horny? In other words, was the point

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- MDixon6569 wrote: The men of Sodom tried to break into Lot's home to rape the guests and Angels blinded the men of Sodom to make their escape along with Lot's family. But not before Lot offers his daughters to the mob as an appeasement: See now, I have two virgin daughters.

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