On 10/24/2014 1:37 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Life long atheists cannot commit apostasy for there never is, nor was,
anything for them to abandon.
>
/When a person professes a belief in Buddhas, karma and reincarnation,
and at the same time, professe
ther, so
presumably they would speak with less rancour than the rest of us, except that
is not what we observe.
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 11:32 AM
Subject: [Fai
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Ditto,
Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth.
Saha Nav,
satyam bruyat, priyam bruyat speak the truth, speak sweetly
na bruyat satyam apriyam | don't speak truth in an unloving way
priyam ca nanritam bruyat
ay,
October 24 edition
From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 1:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Ditto,
Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth.
Saha Nav,
satya
From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 1:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Ditto,
Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth.
Saha Nav,
satyam bruyat,
rom: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 1:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Ditto,
Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth.
Saha Nav,
satyam bruyat, priyam bruyat
_
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 1:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Ditto,
Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth.
Saha Nav,
satyam bruyat, priya
Ditto,
Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth.
Saha Nav,
satyam bruyat, priyam bruyat speak the truth, speak sweetly
na bruyat satyam apriyam | don't speak truth in an unloving way
priyam ca nanritam bruyat don't speak untruth in a pleasant way
esha
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
Buck wrote:
Om yes, and eminent scholars. FairfieldLife and Fairfield and TM is quite
topical to quite a lot of people lurking. And, who do you think reads this
place? Your audience? Who do you really write for when you post? Some writers
Xeno, I think FFL is a microcosm of L. Do you think L is a level playing field?
I do.
On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 2:26 PM, "anartax...@yahoo.com"
wrote:
Buck wrote:
Om yes, and eminent scholars. FairfieldLife and Fairfield and TM
is quite topical to quite a lot of people lurking.
Buck wrote:
Om yes, and eminent scholars. FairfieldLife and Fairfield and TM is quite
topical to quite a lot of people lurking. And, who do you think reads this
place? Your audience? Who do you really write for when you post? Some writers
should rightfully be embarrassed.
-Buck
An e
n Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 5:00 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
>
> you know, I never thought about it that way before, but I guess back in
> the 70's and 80's, TM WAS my religion.
> ----------------
> On Sun, 1/19/14, Richard Williams wrote:
>
>
Xeno, you are probably correct that it is difficult after all this time to know
what Jesus actually taught. For me he embodies agape. So any teaching that
deviates much from that principle, I don't trust it as coming from him. I think
early on his actual teachings got hijacked for other than spi
I would agree with this. In my own life, from childhood on, the tendency to
invoke metaphysical explanations steadily declined, until now everything is
immediate, direct, no need for an explanation of something out-of-sight. That
is for experience. As far as the rational mind is concerned, there
Judy, first of all, I very much enjoy this kind of discussion so thank you.
Secondly, I think I still have some issues with my Catholic upbringing and that
those are coming into play here.
Yes, I realize the two languages are expressing the same principle. But as you
must well know, language c
you know, I never thought about it that way before, but I guess back in the
70's and 80's, TM WAS my religion.
On Sun, 1/19/14, Richard Williams wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: "Richard J. W
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> LSD still comes in tabs?
>
> How would you know that?
> Perhaps you read about it on MSLSD.
>
> (disclaimer for the NSA snoops: I don't know nothin' bout nothin')
Actually, speaking not from experience but from a fascinating article I
once read
http://www.nelson-atkins.org/
http://www.nelson-atkins.org/ http://www.nelson-atkins.org/
http://www.unitytemple.com/healing/hmedit.asp
http://www.unitytemple.com/healing/hmedit.asp
http://www.martydybiczphd.com/Pages/MeditationSchedule.aspx
http://www.martydybiczphd.com/Pages/MeditationSch
Re "People take words much too literally":
That's my view. I think the original founders of the world religions were
talking about a change in consciousness. They had an insight (ie "in - sight").
The unwashed masses take the words as a description of the objective world "out
there". As the
Share:
> What I reject is the idea that we are defective in our core, by
> our very nature. I guess that makes me apostate!
>
Well, it looks like it's settled then: MJ and the TurqoiseB were the real
True Believers, whose religion was TM - - the only apostates left on the
forum. It looks like nobo
Empty, In their Unity Temple on the Plaza complex in the Kansas City area do
they have open silent group transcending non-denominal meditation time,
something like Quiet Time meditations? Do you need a badge to sit meditating
with the group if you happen to be visiting Kansas City? I'd like t
But you don't seem able to see that while the language is different, it's the
same fundamental idea. Redemption for Christians is the Beatific Vision, being
at one with God forever. We are not born in that state; we are defective in
that respect. You weren't born in the state of full realization
Judy, once again I think it is a matter of language choice. I would say that I
need to fully realize my fundamental unity with the divine, with all of
creation. Rather than that I stand in need of redemption. For me, each of these
wordings has its own flavor or tone. I prefer the former wording
Not a cult but rather a church. Most Christian don't consider it Christian
because it isn't the exclusionary type with which they identity.
Wow, I just googled, Unity Temple on the Plaza.
I want to come see this as 'field' study of communal groups. Is it a cult?
There was a Unity Church here in Fairfield for a while but it seemed that it
fell in to a parting of ways between spiritual meditators here and ideological
stick in the m
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
LSD still comes in tabs?
How would you know that?
Empty always asking the really important questions...
Perhaps you read about it on MSLSD.
(disclaimer for the NSA snoops: I don't know nothin' bout nothin')
I live in the City of Unity. I did a number of residence courses at Unity
Village - back in the old days. Unity Village is a fabulous facility but now
there are a number of other Unity facilities - such as Unity Temple on the
Plaza and Unity Church of Overland Park.
Unity Temple on the Pla
And I never said you should believe it. Why are you repeating yourself?
If you don't think you stand in need of redemption, that's fine with me.
<< Judy, true you said Christianity but my personal experience is with
Catholicism. I still think it's unhealthy to think that humans are defectiv
There are a few splinter Christian churches that do not follow the idea that we
are inherently sinful, but are instead, inherently good. One such church is the
Unity Church of Practical Christianity. On the other hand the majority of
Christian flavours do indeed seem to regard our species as bas
Judy, true you said Christianity but my personal experience is with
Catholicism. I still think it's unhealthy to think that humans are defective by
nature and I don't believe that Jesus taught that.
On Saturday, January 18, 2014 3:50 PM, "authfri...@yahoo.com"
wrote:
I do believe I sa
The Dancing Fool - by Kilgore Trout
A flying saucer creature named Zog arrived on Earth to explain how wars could
be prevented and how cancer could be cured. He brought the information from
Margo, a planet where the natives conversed by means of farts and tap dancing.
Zog landed at night i
I do believe I said "Christianity," not "Catholicism," Share. I'm astonished
you weren't aware that it's Christian doctrine across the board. As I said, if
we weren't defective, there'd have been no need for God to send Jesus to redeem
us and make us acceptable in God's sight.
I'm not saying
Judy, this is where I part company with Catholicism, the belief that people are
defective at their core. I don't think this is a healthy belief and I doubt
that Jesus taught it.
I left the Church when they said it was no longer a mortal sin to eat meat on
Friday. I realized how arbitrary their
Did you not read what I wrote, Share? The distinction in terms of words is
arbitrary. Shame isn't inherently toxic, and guilt isn't inherently healthy.
You can redefine the words all you want, but all you're saying is that one
shouldn't feel that one is fundamentally wrong, bad, defective (or at
Judy, contemporary psychologists find it useful to distinguish between guilt
which is healthy and shame which is toxic, where shame indicates feeling that
one is fundamentally wrong, bad, defective.
On Saturday, January 18, 2014 1:31 PM, "authfri...@yahoo.com"
wrote:
It's still an ar
It's still an arbitrary distinction, Share. Shame need not involve the sense
that there's something wrong with you rather than that there was something
wrong with what you did.
And anyway, the sense that there's nothing wrong with you is delusionary. If
there were nothing wrong with you, you
Say, emptybill, did you ever think about the possibility of actually answering
a question rather than delivering yourself of faux koans? Because your
persistent nonanswers leave one with the sense that you don't have any answers,
you're just spouting off at random with no concern for making sens
Judy, my distinction between shame and guilt comes from contemporary psychology
and I agree with your last sentence.
On Saturday, January 18, 2014 1:03 PM, "authfri...@yahoo.com"
wrote:
That's your personal definition of "shame," Share. You're making an arbitrary
distinction between fe
That's your personal definition of "shame," Share. You're making an arbitrary
distinction between feeling guilt and feeling shame. My dictionary says shame
is:
"a painful emotion caused by consciousness of guilt, shortcoming, or
impropriety"
I'd say if you are unable or refuse to feel p
emptybill, I think it's appropriate to feel guilt about wrong doing and to make
amends. But imo shame is toxic. It says that there's something fundamentally
wrong with the person rather than that they did something wrong.
On Saturday, January 18, 2014 12:42 PM, "emptyb...@yahoo.com"
wrote:
Judy - it was a play upon and between words and meaning.
You should've gotten it.
And finally, I find the notion that one should never feel shame for one's
mistakes contemptible.
I feel shame that your mistaken notion is contemptible.
Right. So my "mistake" in being contemptuous of the idea that one should never
feel shame for one's mistakes is what, exactly?
Obviously one shouldn't be wallowing in shame after having been absolved, but
if one isn't feeling any shame to start with, why would one seek absolution?
This
This is the essence of confession (a renewal of baptism). It was originally a
practice that started with ordinary people seeking out desert monastics who
spent their live in askesis. Only later was it usurped by priests whose actual
job was just the rite of absolution.
The belief of the G
Works for me.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
Muktananda said Maharishi wasn't a personal Guru because he was taking care of
(being the Guru of) the whole world.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> MMY was not a personal guru and said so many times. How could he, with
so many followers? At my TTC in Fiuggi, there were over 2,000 teachers.
Just getting the mantras of initiation took about 1-1/2 hours of waiting
to go through the whole process.
"The first way of repentance is condemnation of sins. 'You must declare your
own sins first that you may be justified.' Wherefore also the prophet said 'I
said, I will speak out, my transgression to the Lord, and You remitted the
iniquity of my heart.' Condemn yourself therefore for your own sin
So many World Teachers ... SBS, MMY and Robin.
How many world teachers does it take to liberate everyone?
None.
Muktananda said Maharishi wasn't a personal Guru because he was taking care of
(being the Guru of) the whole world.
How many followers did Maharishi have who had an experience similar to Robin's
of popping into what seemed to be Unity Consciousness without any warning in
the space of a minute or two?
It's one thing not to give personal attention to thousands of grunts slogging
along with their sadhana. It
And finally, I find the notion that one should never feel shame for one's
mistakes contemptible.
I feel shame that your mistaken notion is contemptible.
MMY was not a personal guru and said so many times. How could he, with so many
followers? At my TTC in Fiuggi, there were over 2,000 teachers. Just getting
the mantras of initiation took about 1-1/2 hours of waiting to go through the
whole process.
A personal guru (like Shri Yukteshwar) gi
I knew Barry wouldn't be able to resist the opportunity to demonize Robin and
me after I commented on Michael's post. I also knew he'd fuck it up badly,
which is precisely what he's done. He thinks he can divine what I'm "trying to
say" without having read what I actually said (or what Robin act
Maybe your experience isn't the be-all and end-all for everybody, Share, not to
mention that you haven't had the sort of sudden profoundly transformative
experience Robin had. In any case, Robin got all kinds of positive feedback;
nobody questioned his enlightenment. "Life" didn't make it obviou
LSD still comes in tabs?
How would you know that?
Perhaps you read about it on MSLSD.
(disclaimer for the NSA snoops: I don't know nothin' bout nothin')
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> if you don't understand how people make excuses for then own behavior
then you need more life experience - do you think just because someone
says something, they are being truthful, including with themselves?
I think Judy's trying t
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
If I may comment, presumably the disciple doesn't know any better. How can the
disciple demand something he or she doesn't know is necessary?
FWIW, I've always thought Maharishi didn't give Robin the help he needed after
he'd had this profou
Judy, I don't think self evaluation is something that a disciple needs to
demand. In my experience, life makes it obvious when self evaluation is needed!
On second thought, I think empty meant that if the guru emphasizes experience,
meaning spiritual experience, then the disciple will go with th
If I may comment, presumably the disciple doesn't know any better. How can the
disciple demand something he or she doesn't know is necessary?
FWIW, I've always thought Maharishi didn't give Robin the help he needed after
he'd had this profoundly transformative experience on the mountain. Robi
Prof. P. Dog sez:
MMY's sadhana is based on yoga practice. If it was Vedantic, MMY would have
emphasized the Vedantic notion of maya, which is not real, yet not unreal.
Your view of Vedanta is that it is Maya-vada ... a teaching about Maya. This
is a classical misrepresentation that b
If you mean the kind of scientific objectivity that the TMO uses, anything goes.
On Sat, 1/18/14, Richard Williams wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: "Richard J. Williams"
Date: Saturday, January 1
According to Mr. Benjamin Crème the state of evolution of Lenz at the time of
death was 1,3. In other words far from enlightened.
He was at a "lower" level than John Lennon (1,6) and Frank Zappa (1,4) but
"higher" than Marilyn Monroe (0,9) and Elvis Presley (0,8)
http://www.share-berlin.
emptybill, following up on your last sentence below, how is it possible for a
teacher to cheat a disciple "out of the self-evaluations necessary for real
sadhana." Surely the disciple has some say in the matter. Do you think this is
what happened to Robin?
On Friday, January 17, 2014 8:58 P
Richard, many times turq has expressed, maybe in different words, this idea
that followers actually enable leaders. At least once he has said that
followers are even more responsible.
On Saturday, January 18, 2014 8:45 AM, Richard Williams
wrote:
Ann:
> I guess my point here is that i
It was pretty clearly a suicide, according to the person who was with him and
attempted to join him. She survived, he didn't. :
A suicide pact! Well, the fact she survived nicely makes my point that trying
to overdose on Valium is a dumb idea. He owned a gun so he had a more effective
means
*> Did Rama leave a suicide note?*
*>*
What you need to understand about Rama is that he believed in reincarnation
and karma. Rama's suicide note is contained in his own writings. According
to Rama, the spirit doesn't die when the body dies - your spirit goes into
the Tibetan Bardo state for a few
In the next
> instant she snatched up a pair of sharp sewing scissors and hoisted them
> over her head. Another man standing to one side of her grabbed her arm and
> prevented her from plunging them into the horrified accuser's chest. After
> she had calmed down (and been disa
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
Ann:
> I guess my point here is that it takes enablers to allow certain individuals
> to spiral out of control. When you put someone on some sort of pedestal
> it can really screw them up, whether they are "holy men" or "holy women"
> or the
Ann:
> I guess my point here is that it takes enablers to allow certain
individuals
> to spiral out of control. When you put someone on some sort of pedestal
> it can really screw them up, whether they are "holy men" or "holy women"
> or the Justin Biebers and Miley Cyrus' of the world. Feed the eg
may have done, as the Brits say. M never demonstrated cause he
> couldn't do it.
> ------------
>
> On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, January 17,
emptybill:
> Robin never was interested in a classical Vedantic assessment
> of his so-called “enlightenment”.
>
That's because MMY didn't present TM in a classical assessment of
enlightenment. MMY's sadhana is based on yoga practice. If it was Vedantic
MMY would have emphasized the Vedantic notion
/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 18, 2014, 1:35 AM
I was talking to a friend of
mine the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> Re "Guy croaked himself.":
>
> Did Rama leave a suicide note? If not, it seems a funny way to commit
suicide. Some reports claim he took 80â"150 Valium. Valium comes
in 2mg, 5mg and 10mg strengths. Assume (tops) he took 150 x 10mg =
1,500mg diazep
Ann wrote:
Here is how I see it, in a nutshell. Empty can only interpret what Robin's
experience was or wasn't based on his book learning or his own interpretation
of book learning and teachers who 'told him so'. Robin had an experience and he
has analyzed what that actually was, based
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
emptybill, this is a seriously skewed version of Robin's story.
Just for one thing, you write, "Rather he just wanted to espouse his chosen
narrative about how he was deluded by 'cosmic entities' but was now free of
them. More of the old - '
emptybill, this is a seriously skewed version of Robin's story.
Just for one thing, you write, "Rather he just wanted to espouse his chosen
narrative about how he was deluded by 'cosmic entities' but was now free of
them. More of the old - 'I didn’t fail … I was fooled' as you also pointed ou
Michael sez:
"Robin's experience was that his actions were, as it were, dictated by cosmic
forces, rather than that he could just do whatever he felt like. His experience
was that he could not do other than what he did, even though at times there was
some aspect of himself that didn't want
Re "Guy croaked himself.":
Did Rama leave a suicide note? If not, it seems a funny way to commit suicide.
Some reports claim he took 80–150 Valium. Valium comes in 2mg, 5mg and 10mg
strengths. Assume (tops) he took 150 x 10mg = 1,500mg diazepam. People have
taken 2,000mg of valium and had n
k Anderson
On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard J. Williams mailto:punditster@...>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 17,
yep, it can happen. Same with Chuck Anderson
On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard J. Williams wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 6:13 PM
to believe Rama may have done, as
the Brits say. M never demonstrated cause he couldn't do it.
On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard J. Williams wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri
I must say I agree with everything you said.
On Fri, 1/17/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 4:51 PM
On 1/17/2014 9:34 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> I view Amma as a huckster, but I don't deny people have pleasant and
> powerful experiences with her.
>
> I view M as a huckster, but the one time I saw him in person, I had
> what stands today as one of the most powerful, amazing experiences of
>
On 1/17/2014 9:46 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> "It looks like you've changed your mind about the
> bun-hopping-levitation too."
>
> I have no idea why you would say that.
>
Well, it's settled then - humans can fly and levitate; we have several
eye-witnesses on the forum who can testify to this.
27;s writing. I am enjoying it and
we'll see where it leads, if anywhere.
I would kinda like to think that having such an experience was what
FFL was really created for to begin with.
And that is what I think of that.
----------------
On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard
Michael wrote:
I feel the Universe has nearly infinite if not infinite experiences we can all
have, and the so-called higher states of awareness or enlightened perception,
including all the celestial perception stuff is just another experience among a
plethora of experiences.
I agree. I
Did you know this guy? Mark Laxer
Have you ever read his book Take Me for a Ride: Coming of
Age in a Destructive Cult Paperback?
If so is it accurate?
That's all - back to the energy now and thanks for
talking and thanks for writing about Rama and all the
nda like to think that having such an experience was what FFL was
really created for to begin with.
And that is what I think of that.
----
On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard Williams wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> Bottom line for me is that all this has taught me the definition of
enlightenment M gave out is flawed if not downright incorrect, and yes
that includes the source material of the vedas which I feel was the
pontifications of a bunch
n result as going to Disney.
On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard Williams wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: "Richard J. Williams"
Date: Friday, January 17, 2014,
From what I've read,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> Turq,
>
> How did it go in the Rama group in the longer Aftermath of Rama doing
himself in?
I honestly don't know, except for the few people I remained in contact
with, primarily over the Internet. For some of them, even though I knew
they shared
Turq,
How did it go in the Rama group in the longer Aftermath of Rama doing himself
in? Proly lots of immediate shock and trauma but there was existent a form of
organization before he died and is there any vestige of a group afterward?
Before he died there were some who spoke for the group
lt Paperback?
>
> If so is it accurate?
>
> That's all - back to the energy now and thanks for talking and thanks for
> writing about Rama and all the other things you wrote about.
> --------------------
> On Thu, 1/16/14, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
e of the original energy and wonder."
If my experience is any indication, you have achieved that third level for sure.
On Fri, 1/17/14, TurquoiseB wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.c
x27;m not part of it any more, I'm glad I wrote some of it
down. Heck, if I hadn't, by now I'd be half convinced that I imagined it
all. :-)
But I didn't.
>
> On Thu, 1/16/14, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote:
>
> Subject: [F
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> On Thu, 1/16/14, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote:
>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible
thing.
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, January 16, 2014, 7:21 PM
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael J
the highest moments
of my life) and the two scorpion stories.
>
> On Thu, 1/16/14, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote:
>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, January 16, 20
I am still feeling tons of palpable energy even as I go about my day. Will get
back to you on that in a while.
On Thu, 1/16/14, TurquoiseB wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date
all - back to the energy now and thanks for talking and thanks
for writing about Rama and all the other things you wrote about.
> ----------------
> On Thu, 1/16/14, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
> To: FairfieldLife@yaho
other things you wrote about.
On Thu, 1/16/14, Michael Jackson wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 16, 2014, 4:
hiding the truth even from yourself, way
down deep in parts of your mind that you never allow to surface. That's what I
think is going on when any TM Teacher these days claims that the TMO is not a
religious organization. They're not necessarily lying to you; they're lying to
themselves.
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