subject:"\[FairfieldLife\] RE\: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years"

Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of 
homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional incarnation 
instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those 
*tendencies*are  not suppressed, they become stronger the next time. M has 
always said that the purpose of religion is to protect the evolution of the 
soul.

 


 From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
  
   
 
--- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... 
wrote:

 Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember
 it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other
 every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite
 sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The
 second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third 
 incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super 
 masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the
 next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous
 birth which was exaggerated.

When you first posted this, you presented it as an
explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine
man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about
appearance, which I believe you were when you posted
it before) could just as easily be gay as straight.

Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with
homosexual preference. Often they go together, but
sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want
to change their gender.

This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to 
experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another 
going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others 
as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmasÂ  and hang-ups 
and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels 
they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a
  mess that you'll never figure out.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote:

 Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the
 suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains
 only in that transitional incarnation instead of piling
 up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those
 *tendencies*areÂ  not suppressed, they become stronger the
 next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion
 is to protect the evolution of the soul.

Or perhaps that attitude toward homosexuality is
all ignorant crap, and people are born gay because
*they* had that attitude in a previous lifetime,
and this time around need to experience what it
feels like to be discriminated against.

Maybe that attitude is currently in the process of
diminishing because the straight folks alive today
learned that lesson in *their* previous lifetimes.
Maybe in another generation or so nobody will be
able to understand why it was ever thought that
there was anything wrong with being gay.



 
  
 
 
  From: authfriend authfriend@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
   
 Â   
  
 --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 
 wrote:
 
  Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember
  it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other
  every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite
  sex drags old tendencies from the previous birthÂ with it. The
  second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third 
  incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super 
  masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the
  next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous
  birth which was exaggerated.
 
 When you first posted this, you presented it as an
 explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine
 man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about
 appearance, which I believe you were when you posted
 it before) could just as easily be gay as straight.
 
 Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with
 homosexual preference. Often they go together, but
 sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want
 to change their gender.
 
 This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to 
 experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one 
 another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do 
 unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other 
 karmasÃÂ  and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. 
 Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be 
 untangling a
   mess that you'll never figure out.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-24 Thread sharelong60

Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by religion itself. 
Enforcing is done by other humans who might have issues with sexuality. In 
general if there's any enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self 
against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life take care of 
enforcing whatever its natural laws are. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote:

 Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of 
 homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional incarnation 
 instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those 
 *tendencies*areÂ  not suppressed, they become stronger the next time. M has 
 always said that the purpose of religion is to protect the evolution of the 
 soul.
 
  
 
 
  From: authfriend authfriend@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
   
 Â   
  
 --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 
 wrote:
 
  Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember
  it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other
  every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite
  sex drags old tendencies from the previous birthÂ with it. The
  second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third 
  incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super 
  masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the
  next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous
  birth which was exaggerated.
 
 When you first posted this, you presented it as an
 explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine
 man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about
 appearance, which I believe you were when you posted
 it before) could just as easily be gay as straight.
 
 Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with
 homosexual preference. Often they go together, but
 sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want
 to change their gender.
 
 This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to 
 experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one 
 another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do 
 unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other 
 karmasÃÂ  and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. 
 Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be 
 untangling a
   mess that you'll never figure out.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote:

 Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by
 religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who
 might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any
 enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self
 against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life
 take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are.

And very well said, Share.



 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote:
 
  Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of 
  homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional 
  incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In 
  other-words, if those *tendencies*areÂ  not suppressed, they become 
  stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is 
  to protect the evolution of the soul.
  
   
  
  
   From: authfriend authfriend@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

  Â   
   
  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 
  wrote:
  
   Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember
   it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other
   every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite
   sex drags old tendencies from the previous birthÂ with it. The
   second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third 
   incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super 
   masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the
   next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous
   birth which was exaggerated.
  
  When you first posted this, you presented it as an
  explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine
  man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about
  appearance, which I believe you were when you posted
  it before) could just as easily be gay as straight.
  
  Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with
  homosexual preference. Often they go together, but
  sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want
  to change their gender.
  
  This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to 
  experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one 
  another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do 
  unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other 
  karmasÃÂ  and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. 
  Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be 
  untangling a
mess that you'll never figure out.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-24 Thread RoryGoff

Amen, Sister! From your mouth to God/dess' ear.* Can I get a witness!

*My God/dess can't make up Her mind whether He is male or female, straight or 
gay or whatever 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote:
 
  Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the
  suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains
  only in that transitional incarnation instead of piling
  up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those
  *tendencies*areÂ  not suppressed, they become stronger the
  next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion
  is to protect the evolution of the soul.
 
 Or perhaps that attitude toward homosexuality is
 all ignorant crap, and people are born gay because
 *they* had that attitude in a previous lifetime,
 and this time around need to experience what it
 feels like to be discriminated against.
 
 Maybe that attitude is currently in the process of
 diminishing because the straight folks alive today
 learned that lesson in *their* previous lifetimes.
 Maybe in another generation or so nobody will be
 able to understand why it was ever thought that
 there was anything wrong with being gay.
 
 
 
  
   
  
  
   From: authfriend authfriend@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

  Â   
   
  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 
  wrote:
  
   Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember
   it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other
   every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite
   sex drags old tendencies from the previous birthÂ with it. The
   second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third 
   incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super 
   masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the
   next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous
   birth which was exaggerated.
  
  When you first posted this, you presented it as an
  explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine
  man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about
  appearance, which I believe you were when you posted
  it before) could just as easily be gay as straight.
  
  Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with
  homosexual preference. Often they go together, but
  sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want
  to change their gender.
  
  This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to 
  experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one 
  another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do 
  unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other 
  karmasÃÂ  and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. 
  Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be 
  untangling a
mess that you'll never figure out.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Thanks for reposting this, Mike. It makes a lot of sense to me. 

 From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his 
explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The 
first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous 
birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced,  while the third 
incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or 
the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, 
impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. This would mean that 
all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to 
life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases 
of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto 
you. Pile-on all of our other karmas  and hang-ups and god only knows how it's 
going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? 
That could be untangling a
 mess that you'll never figure out.

From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Answer to your serious question: we shall see. As to your other comments; on a 
more mundane level, it's clear that we all have masculine and feminine aspects. 
For example, we all have estrogen and testosterone flowing around in our 
bodies. Given the ever expanding nature of the universe, it makes sense to me 
that a variety of expressions with regards to gender will be the rule rather 
than the exception.

From: Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:22 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

That was the Theosophists' line. They said that all of us are reincarnated over 
many lifetimes and each of us will experience what it's like to be rich, what 
it's like to be poor; what it's like to be respected, what it's like to be 
scorned, and so on . . .  including, naturally, each of us will have some of 
our lives as women and other lives as men. 

The thinking was that if you were a woman in a previous life and had just now 
incarnated as a man you could have homosexual tendencies this time around. Or 
if you were a woman and your next reincarnation was scheduled to be as a man 
you might have lesbian tendencies. (And various changes on that theme.)

What's neat about the theory is that it recognises that homosexuality is 
unnatural (most people's initial gut reaction?) but it justifies the 
orientation as being supernaturally ordained. Nice one! (It's a mirror image 
of the usual liberal approach that any sexual orientation is natural and so 
acceptable.)

Serious question: now that Bradley/Chelsea has requested the new identity does 
that mean that liberal outlets like CNN will call her Chelsea while 
conservative outlets like Fox will call him Bradley in their news coverage?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60  wrote:   I think it was 
Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible explanation from Charlie Lutes: 
that a person is carrying non physical gender qualities over from a previous 
life time.   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ 
wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita  wrote:
   - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:Manning 
says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche.   This Manning 
chap becomes more embarrassing by the day.From the Wiki article on the 
US Military and gays I read:While restrictions on sexual orientation 
have been lifted, restrictionson gender identity remain in place due to 
Department of Defenseregulations; transgender Americans thus continue to 
be barred frommilitary service.   Sorry Chelsea - you're in 
the wrong line of work.   
  Not any more. She's been dishonorably discharged. She said she 
  joined the Army to try to overcome her sense   that she was a woman. Now 
  that the trial is over and she's   out of the Army, she's decided to go 
  for it. FWIW, research is increasingly showing that gender dysphoria 
has biological causes. It's beginning to look as though a   man, say, 
  doesn't want to be a woman because he's screwed   up, but is screwed up 
  because he wants to be a woman. It's hard to imagine what it must be 
  like to feel you're in   the wrong kind of body and to know that everybody 
  thinks   you're someone you know you aren't--and for this to be the   
  case from the time you were

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Seraphita, Michael Newton, writes books about the bardo, what happens between 
lives, etc. He says that souls are able to choose whether to have a learning 
lessons life or a cushy life. That actually before we come in, we are offered 
a choice of 3 or 4 lives. And I like your idea of God as artist.





 From: Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 5:48 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
 


  
Re the Theosophists' view I reference below All of us are reincarnated over 
many lifetimes and each of us will experience what it's like to be rich, what 
it's like to be poor; what it's like to be respected, what it's like to be 
scorned, and so on . . . including, naturally, each of us will have some of our 
lives as women and other lives as men.:

This view of reincarnation has always seemed nobler - more worthy of an artist 
- to me: God is taking each of us on a universal tour to experience all the 
highs and lows of life. If the Advaita-Vedantans are right and we are 
actually the One Self pretending to be many different individuals then that 
accords perfectly with this interpretation of reincarnation.

The common view that if we're good, we earn a cushy life next time around is 
pretty vulgar really. And the more spiritualised version that we're paying 
our dues towards arhat status is really just the idea of meritocracy projected 
onto the Cosmos. 





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:

 Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his 
 explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. 
 The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the 
 previous birthÂ with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, Â 
 while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super 
 masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, 
 brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. 
 This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to 
 experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one 
 another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do 
 unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmasÂ 
  and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows 
 why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be
 untangling a
  mess that you'll never figure out.
 
 
 
 
  From: Share Long sharelong60@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
 
 Â  
 
 Answer to your serious question: we shall see. As to your other comments; on 
 a more mundane level, it's clear that we all have masculine and feminine 
 aspects. For example, we all have estrogen and testosterone flowing around in 
 our bodies. Given the ever expanding nature of the universe, it makes sense 
 to me that a variety of expressions with regards to gender will be the rule 
 rather than the exception.
 
 
 
 
  From: Seraphita s3raphita@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:22 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
 
 Â  
 That was the Theosophists' line. They said that all of us are reincarnated 
 over many lifetimes and each of us will experience what it's like to be rich, 
 what it's like to be poor; what it's like to be respected, what it's like to 
 be scorned, and so on . . . Â including, naturally, each of us will have some 
 of our lives as women and other lives as men.Â 
 
 The thinking was that if you were a woman in a previous life and had just now 
 incarnated as a man you could have homosexual tendencies this time around. Or 
 if you were a woman and your next reincarnation was scheduled to be as a man 
 you might have lesbian tendencies. (And various changes on that theme.)
 
 What's neat about the theory is that it recognises that homosexuality is 
 unnatural (most people's initial gut reaction?) but it justifies the 
 orientation as being supernaturally ordained. Nice one! (It's a mirror 
 image of the usual liberal approach that any sexual orientation is natural 
 and so acceptable.)
 
 Serious question: now that Bradley/Chelsea has requested the new identity 
 does that mean that liberal outlets like CNN will call her Chelsea while 
 conservative outlets like Fox will call him Bradley in their news coverage?
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60  wrote: I think it was 
 Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible explanation from Charlie 
 Lutes: that a person is carrying non physical gender qualities over from a 
 previous life time

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Share, I don't think I advocated anything involving *enforcement* of anything. 
How people choose to live their lives is their choice. Nobody is perfect. I 
agree with you that life will enforce it's own laws, naturally. We can avoid 
the suffering before it comes or we can take it as it comes.

 From: sharelong60 sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:21 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by religion itself. 
Enforcing is done by other humans who might have issues with sexuality. In 
general if there's any enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self 
against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life take care of 
enforcing whatever its natural laws are. 

--- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... 
wrote:

 Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of 
 homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional incarnation 
 instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In other-words, if those 
 *tendencies*areÂ  not suppressed, they become stronger the next time. M has 
 always said that the purpose of religion is to protect the evolution of the 
 soul.

  From: authfriend authfriend@...
 To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

 Â  

 --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 
 wrote:

  Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember
  it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other
  every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite
  sex drags old tendencies from the previous birthÂ with it. The
  second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third 
  incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super 
  masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the
  next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous
  birth which was exaggerated.

 When you first posted this, you presented it as an
 explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine
 man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about
 appearance, which I believe you were when you posted
 it before) could just as easily be gay as straight.

 Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with
 homosexual preference. Often they go together, but
 sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want
 to change their gender.

 This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to 
 experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one 
 another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do 
 unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other 
 karmasÃ‚Â  and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. 
 Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be 
 untangling a
   mess that you'll never figure out.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was that I 
believe it's open season on harassing people about their sexuality, then she's 
all wet as you would be also if that's what you thought. My comment was in 
regard to the role of religion in general, not how people practice it. People 
practice their religions according to their ability and understanding, which 
has the capacity to evolve as they do..

 


 From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
  
   
 
--- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... 
wrote:

 Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by
 religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who
 might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any
 enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self
 against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life
 take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are.

And very well said, Share.

 --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 
 wrote:
 
  Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of 
  homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional 
  incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In 
  other-words, if those *tendencies*areÂ  not suppressed, they become 
  stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is 
  to protect the evolution of the soul.
  
  
  
  
   From: authfriend authfriend@
  To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
  
  Â  
  
  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 
  wrote:
  
   Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember
   it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other
   every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite
   sex drags old tendencies from the previous birthÂ with it. The
   second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third 
   incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super 
   masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the
   next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous
   birth which was exaggerated.
  
  When you first posted this, you presented it as an
  explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine
  man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about
  appearance, which I believe you were when you posted
  it before) could just as easily be gay as straight.
  
  Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with
  homosexual preference. Often they go together, but
  sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want
  to change their gender.
  
  This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to 
  experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one 
  another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do 
  unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other 
  karmasÃ‚Â  and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. 
  Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be 
  untangling a
mess that you'll never figure out.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Sorry, Mike, yes, you did say suppression and I read enforcement. It's a hot 
topic for me. It sounded like you were in favor of religion, at the very least, 
condemning people if their sexuality is different than the supposed norm.


I wonder if Maharishi thought that contemporary religions really have any power 
to protect the evolution of souls.



 From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
 


  
I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was that I 
believe it's open season on harassing people about their sexuality, then she's 
all wet as you would be also if that's what you thought. My comment was in 
regard to the role of religion in general, not how people practice it. People 
practice their religions according to their ability and understanding, which 
has the capacity to evolve as they do..

From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
 
  
--- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... 
wrote:

 Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by
 religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who
 might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any
 enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self
 against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life
 take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are.

And very well said, Share.

 --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 
 wrote:
 
  Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of 
  homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional 
  incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In 
  other-words, if those *tendencies*areÂ  not suppressed, they become 
  stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is 
  to protect the evolution of the soul.
  
  
  
  
   From: authfriend authfriend@
  To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
  
  Â  
  
  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 
  wrote:
  
   Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember
   it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other
   every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite
   sex drags old tendencies from the previous birthÂ with it. The
   second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third 
   incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super 
   masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the
   next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous
   birth which was exaggerated.
  
  When you first posted this, you presented it as an
  explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine
  man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about
  appearance, which I believe you were when you posted
  it before) could just as easily be gay as straight.
  
  Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with
  homosexual preference. Often they go together, but
  sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want
  to change their gender.
  
  This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to 
  experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one 
  another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do 
  unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other 
  karmasÃ‚Â  and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. 
  Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be 
  untangling a
mess that you'll never figure out.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote:

 I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was that I 
 believe it's open season on harassing people about their sexuality, then 
 she's all wet as you would be also if that's what you thought. My comment was 
 in regard to the role of religion in general, not how people practice it.

Religion-in-general by itself *has* no role, Mike. Religion
acquires a role only when implemented by its practitioners.



 People practice their religions according to their ability and understanding, 
 which has the capacity to evolve as they do..
 
  
 
 
  From: authfriend authfriend@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
   
 Â   
  
 --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ 
 wrote:
 
  Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by
  religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who
  might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any
  enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self
  against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life
  take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are.
 
 And very well said, Share.
 
  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 
  wrote:
  
   Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of 
   homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional 
   incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In 
   other-words, if those *tendencies*areÃÂ  not suppressed, they become 
   stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is 
   to protect the evolution of the soul.
   
   
   
   
From: authfriend authfriend@
   To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
   
   ÃÂ  
   
   --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 
   wrote:
   
Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember
it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other
every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite
sex drags old tendencies from the previous birthÃÂ with it. The
second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third 
incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super 
masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the
next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous
birth which was exaggerated.
   
   When you first posted this, you presented it as an
   explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine
   man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about
   appearance, which I believe you were when you posted
   it before) could just as easily be gay as straight.
   
   Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with
   homosexual preference. Often they go together, but
   sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want
   to change their gender.
   
   This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to 
   experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one 
   another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. 
   Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other 
   karmasÃâÃÂ  and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be 
   expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That 
   could be untangling a
 mess that you'll never figure out.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Thanks for re-reading that Share. I'm not for for anybody condemning anyone 
about their personal lives. I was merely offering an explanation which may or 
may not be valid.  Yes ,I think M did believe that religions still have that 
power but I also believe he knew that religion is pure and our ability to 
understand the intent is according to our own individual capacity or level of 
evolution.

 


 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
  
   
 
Sorry, Mike, yes, you did say suppression and I read enforcement. It's a hot 
topic for me. It sounded like you were in favor of religion, at the very least, 
condemning people if their sexuality is different than the supposed norm.

I wonder if Maharishi thought that contemporary religions really have any power 
to protect the evolution of souls.
 


 From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
  
  
I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was that I 
believe it's open season on harassing people about their sexuality, then she's 
all wet as you would be also if that's what you thought. My comment was in 
regard to the role of religion in general, not how people practice it. People 
practice their religions according to their ability and understanding, which 
has the capacity to evolve as they do..
 


 From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
  
  
--- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... 
wrote:   Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by  
religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who  might have issues 
with sexuality. In general if there's any  enforcing to be done, other than to 
defend one's self  against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life 
 take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are.  And very well said, 
Share.   --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon 
mdixon.6569@ wrote: Perhaps that is why religions, in general, 
encourage the suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in 
that transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- 
time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*areÂ  not suppressed, they become 
stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is to 
protect the evolution of the soul.   
 From: authfriend authfriend@   To: 
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 
PM   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years 
 Â    --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon 
mdixon.6569@ wrote:   Charlie was definitely a believer in 
Theosophy. As I rememberit( his explanation), we change from one sex to 
the otherevery three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite 
   sex drags old tendencies from the previous birthÂ with it. The
second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third incarnation 
is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the 
super feminine woman. So naturally, thenext change, brings with it, 
impressions from the previousbirth which was exaggerated.  When 
you first posted this, you
 presented it as an   explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine 
  man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about   appearance, 
which I believe you were when you posted   it before) could just as easily be 
gay as straight.  Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused 
with   homosexual preference. Often they go together, but   sometimes they 
don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want   to change their gender.  
This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to 
experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another 
going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others 
as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmasÃ‚Â  and 
hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why 
someone feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a 
mess that you'll never figure out.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

But Mike I'm not sure that Maharishi thought religion was so pure. I heard 
something along the lines of:
Judaism expresses 75% of natural law
Catholicism expresses 50% of natural law
Protestantism expresses 25%
Had you ever heard these figures?





 From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
 


  
Thanks for re-reading that Share. I'm not for for anybody condemning anyone 
about their personal lives. I was merely offering an explanation which may or 
may not be valid.  Yes ,I think M did believe that religions still have that 
power but I also believe he knew that religion is pure and our ability to 
understand the intent is according to our own individual capacity or level of 
evolution.

From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
 
  
Sorry, Mike, yes, you did say suppression and I read enforcement. It's a hot 
topic for me. It sounded like you were in favor of religion, at the very least, 
condemning people if their sexuality is different than the supposed norm.

I wonder if Maharishi thought that contemporary religions really have any power 
to protect the evolution of souls.

From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
 
  
I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was that I 
believe it's open season on harassing people about their sexuality, then she's 
all wet as you would be also if that's what you thought. My comment was in 
regard to the role of religion in general, not how people practice it. People 
practice their religions according to their ability and understanding, which 
has the capacity to evolve as they do..

From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
 
  
--- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... 
wrote: 
 
 Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by 
 religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who 
 might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any 
 enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self 
 against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life 
 take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are.  And very well said, 
 Share.   --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon 
 mdixon.6569@ wrote: 
  
  Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of 
  homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional 
  incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In 
  other-words, if those *tendencies*areÂ  not suppressed, they become 
  stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is 
  to protect the evolution of the soul. 
  
   
  
   
   From: authfriend authfriend@ 
  To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com   Sent: Friday, August 23, 
  2013 6:24 PM 
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years 

  Â   
   
  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 
  wrote: 
   
   Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember 
   it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other 
   every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite 
   sex drags old tendencies from the previous birthÂ with it. The 
   second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third 
   incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super 
   masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the 
   next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous 
   birth which was exaggerated. 
  
  When you first posted this, you presented it as an 
  explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine 
  man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about 
  appearance, which I believe you were when you posted 
  it before) could just as easily be gay as straight. 
  
  Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with 
  homosexual preference. Often they go together, but 
  sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want 
  to change their gender. 
  
  This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to 
  experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one 
  another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do 
  unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other 
  karmasÃ‚Â

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

I think what Charlie Lutes said about previous lives could be applied to anyone 
with whom there is a difference between their physical gender and their 
psychological gender. 

 From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:38 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote:

 I think it was Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible 
 explanation from Charlie Lutes: that a person is carrying non 
 physical gender qualities over from a previous life time.

No, that had to do with homosexuals, not transgender
individuals. Didn't make any sense for homosexuals,
though. Charlie assumed homosexual men had feminine
characteristics and homosexual women had masculine
characteristics, an old stereotype that doesn't apply
anywhere near across the board. And most homosexuals
have no desire to be the opposite sex.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote:

   - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:
   Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche.

   This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day.
   From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read:
   While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions
   on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense
   regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from
   military service.

   Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work.

  Not any more. She's been dishonorably discharged.

  She said she joined the Army to try to overcome her sense
  that she was a woman. Now that the trial is over and she's
  out of the Army, she's decided to go for it.

  FWIW, research is increasingly showing that gender dysphoria
  has biological causes. It's beginning to look as though a
  man, say, doesn't want to be a woman because he's screwed
  up, but is screwed up because he wants to be a woman.

  It's hard to imagine what it must be like to feel you're in
  the wrong kind of body and to know that everybody thinks
  you're someone you know you aren't--and for this to be the
  case from the time you were a very little kid. That would
  mess with anyone's mind.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-24 Thread bobpriced

I heard:

Judaism expresses 75% of natural law
Catholicism expresses 50% of natural law
Protestantism expresses 25%
Islam expresses 14%
Darwinism expresses 9%%
GAAP (Generally accepted accounting principles) expresses 5%


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Share Long  wrote:

 But Mike I'm not sure that Maharishi thought religion was so pure. I
heard something along the lines of:
 Judaism expresses 75% of natural law
 Catholicism expresses 50% of natural law
 Protestantism expresses 25%
 Had you ever heard these figures?




 
  From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
years



 Â
 Thanks for re-reading that Share. I'm not for for anybody condemning
anyone about their personal lives. I was merely offering an explanation
which may or may not be valid.  Yes ,I think M did believe that
religions still have that power but I also believe he knew that religion
is pure and our ability to understand the intent is according to our own
individual capacity or level of evolution.

 From: Share Long sharelong60@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
years

 Â
 Sorry, Mike, yes, you did say suppression and I read enforcement. It's
a hot topic for me. It sounded like you were in favor of religion, at
the very least, condemning people if their sexuality is different than
the supposed norm.

 I wonder if Maharishi thought that contemporary religions really have
any power to protect the evolution of souls.

 From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
years

 Â
 I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was
that I believeÂ it's open season on harassing people about their
sexuality, then she's all wet as you would be also if that's what you
thought. My comment was in regard to the role ofÂ religion in
general, not how people practice it. People practice their religions
according to their ability and understanding, which has the capacity to
evolve as they do..

 From: authfriend authfriend@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
years

 Â
 --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , sharelong60 sharelong60@
wrote:
 
  Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by
  religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who
  might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any
  enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self
  against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life
  take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are.  And very well
said, Share.   --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Mike Dixon  wrote:
  
   Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the
suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that
transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life-
time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*areÃÂ  not suppressed,
they become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose
of religion is to protect the evolution of the soul.
  
  
  
   
From: authfriend
   To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, August 23,
2013 6:24 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
years
  
   ÃÂ
  
   --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Mike Dixon  wrote:
   
Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember
it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other
every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite
sex drags old tendencies from the previous birthÃÂ with it.
The
second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third
incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super
masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the
next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous
birth which was exaggerated.
  
   When you first posted this, you presented it as an
   explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine
   man or super feminine woman

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-24 Thread John

Bob,

I didn't realize MM was Jewish and an accountant at that!



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@... wrote:

 I heard:
 
 Judaism expresses 75% of natural law
 Catholicism expresses 50% of natural law
 Protestantism expresses 25%
 Islam expresses 14%
 Darwinism expresses 9%%
 GAAP (Generally accepted accounting principles) expresses 5%
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Share Long  wrote:
 
  But Mike I'm not sure that Maharishi thought religion was so pure. I
 heard something along the lines of:
  Judaism expresses 75% of natural law
  Catholicism expresses 50% of natural law
  Protestantism expresses 25%
  Had you ever heard these figures?
 
 
 
 
  
   From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
 years
 
 
 
  Â
  Thanks for re-reading that Share. I'm not for for anybody condemning
 anyone about their personal lives. I was merely offering an explanation
 which may or may not be valid.  Yes ,I think M did believe that
 religions still have that power but I also believe he knew that religion
 is pure and our ability to understand the intent is according to our own
 individual capacity or level of evolution.
 
  From: Share Long sharelong60@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:43 AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
 years
 
  Â
  Sorry, Mike, yes, you did say suppression and I read enforcement. It's
 a hot topic for me. It sounded like you were in favor of religion, at
 the very least, condemning people if their sexuality is different than
 the supposed norm.
 
  I wonder if Maharishi thought that contemporary religions really have
 any power to protect the evolution of souls.
 
  From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
 years
 
  Â
  I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was
 that I believeÂ it's open season on harassing people about their
 sexuality, then she's all wet as you would be also if that's what you
 thought. My comment was in regard to the role ofÂ religion in
 general, not how people practice it. People practice their religions
 according to their ability and understanding, which has the capacity to
 evolve as they do..
 
  From: authfriend authfriend@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
 years
 
  Â
  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , sharelong60 sharelong60@
 wrote:
  
   Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by
   religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who
   might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any
   enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self
   against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life
   take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are.  And very well
 said, Share.   --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Mike Dixon  wrote:
   
Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the
 suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that
 transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life-
 time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*areÃÂ  not suppressed,
 they become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose
 of religion is to protect the evolution of the soul.
   
   
   

 From: authfriend
To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, August 23,
 2013 6:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
 years
   
ÃÂ
   
--- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Mike Dixon  wrote:

 Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember
 it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other
 every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite
 sex drags old tendencies from the previous birthÃÂ with it.
 The
 second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third
 incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super
 masculine man or the super feminine woman. So

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

John, welcome back to you too!

 From: John jr_...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 4:09 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Bob,

I didn't realize MM was Jewish and an accountant at that!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@... wrote:

 I heard:

 Judaism expresses 75% of natural law
 Catholicism expresses 50% of natural law
 Protestantism expresses 25%
 Islam expresses 14%
 Darwinism expresses 9%%
 GAAP (Generally accepted accounting principles) expresses 5%

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Share Long  wrote:

  But Mike I'm not sure that Maharishi thought religion was so pure. I
 heard something along the lines of:
  Judaism expresses 75% of natural law
  Catholicism expresses 50% of natural law
  Protestantism expresses 25%
  Had you ever heard these figures?

   From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
 years

  Â
  Thanks for re-reading that Share. I'm not for for anybody condemning
 anyone about their personal lives. I was merely offering an explanation
 which may or may not be valid.  Yes ,I think M did believe that
 religions still have that power but I also believe he knew that religion
 is pure and our ability to understand the intent is according to our own
 individual capacity or level of evolution.

  From: Share Long sharelong60@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:43 AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
 years

  Â
  Sorry, Mike, yes, you did say suppression and I read enforcement. It's
 a hot topic for me. It sounded like you were in favor of religion, at
 the very least, condemning people if their sexuality is different than
 the supposed norm.

  I wonder if Maharishi thought that contemporary religions really have
 any power to protect the evolution of souls.

  From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
 years

  Â
  I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was
 that I believeÂ it's open season on harassing people about their
 sexuality, then she's all wet as you would be also if that's what you
 thought. My comment was in regard to the role ofÂ religion in
 general, not how people practice it. People practice their religions
 according to their ability and understanding, which has the capacity to
 evolve as they do..

  From: authfriend authfriend@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
 years

  Â
  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , sharelong60 sharelong60@
 wrote:

   Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by
   religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who
   might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any
   enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self
   against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life
   take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are.  And very well
 said, Share.   --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Mike Dixon  wrote:

Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the
 suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that
 transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life-
 time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*areÃ‚Â  not suppressed,
 they become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose
 of religion is to protect the evolution of the soul.

 From: authfriend
To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, August 23,
 2013 6:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
 years

Ã‚Â

--- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Mike Dixon  wrote:

 Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember
 it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other
 every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite
 sex

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-24 Thread John

Share,

I've been around lurking and posting a few times.  But not as much as the 
others around here.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 John, welcome back to you too!
 
 
 
 
 
  From: John jr_esq@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 4:09 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
  
 
 
 Â  
 Bob,
 
 I didn't realize MM was Jewish and an accountant at that!
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@ wrote:
 
  I heard:
  
  Judaism expresses 75% of natural law
  Catholicism expresses 50% of natural law
  Protestantism expresses 25%
  Islam expresses 14%
  Darwinism expresses 9%%
  GAAP (Generally accepted accounting principles) expresses 5%
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Share Long  wrote:
  
   But Mike I'm not sure that Maharishi thought religion was so pure. I
  heard something along the lines of:
   Judaism expresses 75% of natural law
   Catholicism expresses 50% of natural law
   Protestantism expresses 25%
   Had you ever heard these figures?
  
  
  
  
   
From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:56 PM
   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
  years
  
  
  
   Ã
   Thanks for re-reading that Share. I'm not for for anybody condemning
  anyone about their personal lives. I was merely offering an explanation
  which may or may not be valid.  Yes ,I think M did believe that
  religions still have that power but I also believe he knew that religion
  is pure and our ability to understand the intent is according to our own
  individual capacity or level of evolution.
  
   From: Share Long sharelong60@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:43 AM
   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
  years
  
   Ã
   Sorry, Mike, yes, you did say suppression and I read enforcement. It's
  a hot topic for me. It sounded like you were in favor of religion, at
  the very least, condemning people if their sexuality is different than
  the supposed norm.
  
   I wonder if Maharishi thought that contemporary religions really have
  any power to protect the evolution of souls.
  
   From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:32 PM
   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
  years
  
   Ã
   I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was
  that I believeÃ it's open season on harassing people about their
  sexuality, then she's all wet as you would be also if that's what you
  thought. My comment was in regard to the role ofÃ religion in
  general, not how people practice it. People practice their religions
  according to their ability and understanding, which has the capacity to
  evolve as they do..
  
   From: authfriend authfriend@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
  years
  
   Ã
   --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , sharelong60 sharelong60@
  wrote:
   
Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by
religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who
might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any
enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self
against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life
take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are.  And very well
  said, Share.   --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Mike Dixon  wrote:

 Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the
  suppression of homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that
  transitional incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life-
  time. In other-words, if those *tendencies*areÃâÃ  not suppressed,
  they become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose
  of religion is to protect the evolution of the soul.



 
  From: authfriend
 To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, August 23,
  2013 6:24 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
  years

 ÃâÃ

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 I think what Charlie Lutes said about previous lives could be
 applied to anyone with whom there is a difference between
 their physical gender and their psychological gender.

Well, that wouldn't include most homosexuals, but that
was how it was originally presented. Perhaps you missed
what I wrote to Mike:

  When you first posted this, you presented it as an
  explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine
  man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about
  appearance, which I believe you were when you posted
  it before) could just as easily be gay as straight.
  
  Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with
  homosexual preference. Often they go together, but
  sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want
  to change their gender.

I should clarify this, having done a little research.

Gender dysphoria and sexual preference (in the sense of who
you're attracted to sexually) are independent of each other.
This gets complicated: apparently most gender-dysphoric
individuals regard themselves as heterosexual, which would
mean that a male who believes he's really female is sexually
attracted to other males. A gender-dysphoric man who was
attracted to women would consider himself homosexual.

But this is *not* the case with most homosexuals, who are
comfortable with their sexual identity, i.e., most homosexual
men don't want to be women.

(I think trying to scope out the past-life karma of any
particular individual based on Charlie's formula is a mug's
game, frankly. I'll stick with what we know from science,
if only because I find it a lot more interesting!)



 
  From: authfriend authfriend@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:38 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
  
 
 
 Â  
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  I think it was Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible 
  explanation from Charlie Lutes: that a person is carrying non 
  physical gender qualities over from a previous life time.
 
 No, that had to do with homosexuals, not transgender
 individuals. Didn't make any sense for homosexuals,
 though. Charlie assumed homosexual men had feminine
 characteristics and homosexual women had masculine
 characteristics, an old stereotype that doesn't apply
 anywhere near across the board. And most homosexuals
 have no desire to be the opposite sex.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote:
   
- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:
Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche.

This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day.
From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read:
While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions
on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense
regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from
military service.
   
Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work.
   
   Not any more. She's been dishonorably discharged.
   
   She said she joined the Army to try to overcome her sense
   that she was a woman. Now that the trial is over and she's
   out of the Army, she's decided to go for it.
   
   FWIW, research is increasingly showing that gender dysphoria
   has biological causes. It's beginning to look as though a
   man, say, doesn't want to be a woman because he's screwed
   up, but is screwed up because he wants to be a woman.
   
   It's hard to imagine what it must be like to feel you're in
   the wrong kind of body and to know that everybody thinks
   you're someone you know you aren't--and for this to be the
   case from the time you were a very little kid. That would
   mess with anyone's mind.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote:

 I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was that I 
 believeÂ it's open season on harassing people about their sexuality, then 
 she's all wet as you would be also if that's what you thought. My comment was 
 in regard to the role ofÂ religion in general, not how people practice it. 
 People practice their religions according to their ability and understanding, 
 which has the capacity to evolve as they do.

I think she was reacting, as I do, to the notion that
homosexual activity needs to be suppressed. That's an
entirely unnecessary cruelty, which, thankfully, we do
appear to be evolving *past*. With regard to Christianity
and Judaism, it isn't even clear that the biblical
passages cited in support of suppression have been
correctly interpreted.



 
  From: authfriend authfriend@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
   
 Â   
  
 --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ 
 wrote:
 
  Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by
  religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who
  might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any
  enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self
  against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life
  take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are.
 
 And very well said, Share.
 
  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 
  wrote:
  
   Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of 
   homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional 
   incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In 
   other-words, if those *tendencies*areÃÂ  not suppressed, they become 
   stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is 
   to protect the evolution of the soul.
   
   
   
   
From: authfriend authfriend@
   To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
   
   ÃÂ  
   
   --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 
   wrote:
   
Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember
it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other
every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite
sex drags old tendencies from the previous birthÃÂ with it. The
second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third 
incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super 
masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the
next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous
birth which was exaggerated.
   
   When you first posted this, you presented it as an
   explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine
   man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about
   appearance, which I believe you were when you posted
   it before) could just as easily be gay as straight.
   
   Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with
   homosexual preference. Often they go together, but
   sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want
   to change their gender.
   
   This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to 
   experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one 
   another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. 
   Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other 
   karmasÃâÃÂ  and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be 
   expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That 
   could be untangling a
 mess that you'll never figure out.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-24 Thread Seraphita


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 Seraphita, Michael Newton, writes books about the bardo, what happens
between lives, etc. He says that souls are able to choose whether to
have a learning lessons life or a cushy life. That actually before we
come in, we are offered a choice of 3 or 4 lives. And I like your idea
of God as artist.


I must have chosen somewhere between those options you present - though
I priotitsed the cushy option. Maybe I just need a well-deserved rest.
  The point I wish to emphasise is that if the Advaitan view is correct,
we (the One Self) really are experiencing all the lives that human
beings are capable off -we are all the One Self.
The downside of this view is that I must necessarily actually be Pee-wee
Herman! .
.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-24 Thread doctordumbass

Hi Share - This sounds like this guy's fantasy - how can we choose other than 
what comes next? Also, if a person can always choose the cushy side, what's the 
downside to that? Is it a hidden test to look for masochistic tendencies? I 
would rather learn any lessons during a cushy life, than an awful one. Last, I 
haven't really found a life that didn't contain some hard lessons in it, for 
each and every one of us. For one thing, no one gets out of here alive.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Seraphita, Michael Newton, writes books about the bardo, what happens between 
 lives, etc. He says that souls are able to choose whether to have a learning 
 lessons life or a cushy life. That actually before we come in, we are 
 offered a choice of 3 or 4 lives. And I like your idea of God as artist.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: Seraphita s3raphita@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 5:48 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
  
 
 
 Â  
 Re the Theosophists' view I reference below All of us are reincarnated over 
 many lifetimes and each of us will experience what it's like to be rich, what 
 it's like to be poor; what it's like to be respected, what it's like to be 
 scorned, and so on . . . including, naturally, each of us will have some of 
 our lives as women and other lives as men.:
 
 This view of reincarnation has always seemed nobler - more worthy of an 
 artist - to me: God is taking each of us on a universal tour to experience 
 all the highs and lows of life. If the Advaita-Vedantans are right and we 
 are actually the One Self pretending to be many different individuals then 
 that accords perfectly with this interpretation of reincarnation.
 
 The common view that if we're good, we earn a cushy life next time around is 
 pretty vulgar really. And the more spiritualised version that we're paying 
 our dues towards arhat status is really just the idea of meritocracy 
 projected onto the Cosmos.Â 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
 
  Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his 
  explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. 
  The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the 
  previous birthÃÂ with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, 
  ÃÂ while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The 
  super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next 
  change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was 
  exaggerated. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for 
  everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we 
  treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our 
  own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of 
  our other karmasÃÂ  and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be 
  expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That 
  could be
  untangling a
   mess that you'll never figure out.
  
  
  
  
   From: Share Long sharelong60@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:43 AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
  
  ÃÂ  
  
  Answer to your serious question: we shall see. As to your other comments; 
  on a more mundane level, it's clear that we all have masculine and feminine 
  aspects. For example, we all have estrogen and testosterone flowing around 
  in our bodies. Given the ever expanding nature of the universe, it makes 
  sense to me that a variety of expressions with regards to gender will be 
  the rule rather than the exception.
  
  
  
  
   From: Seraphita s3raphita@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:22 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
  
  ÃÂ  
  That was the Theosophists' line. They said that all of us are reincarnated 
  over many lifetimes and each of us will experience what it's like to be 
  rich, what it's like to be poor; what it's like to be respected, what it's 
  like to be scorned, and so on . . . ÃÂ including, naturally, each of us 
  will have some of our lives as women and other lives as men.ÃÂ 
  
  The thinking was that if you were a woman in a previous life and had just 
  now incarnated as a man you could have homosexual tendencies this time 
  around. Or if you were a woman and your next reincarnation was scheduled to 
  be as a man you might have lesbian tendencies. (And various changes on that 
  theme.)
  
  What's neat about the theory is that it recognises that homosexuality is 
  unnatural (most people's initial gut reaction?) but it justifies the 
  orientation

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-24 Thread Seraphita


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:

 --
 Or perhaps that attitude toward homosexuality is
 all ignorant crap, and people are born gay because
 *they* had that attitude in a previous lifetime,
 and this time around need to experience what it
 feels like to be discriminated against.

 Maybe that attitude is currently in the process of
 diminishing because the straight folks alive today
 learned that lesson in *their* previous lifetimes.
 Maybe in another generation or so nobody will be
 able to understand why it was ever thought that
 there was anything wrong with being gay.


Possibly - and I really do mean possibly - your are correct .
One of the problems with homosexually I have had is that the male
penis and female vagina are obviously designed for each other. The
male-male-sex and female-female sex seem to me odd for that reason.
The situation is compounded by current ideas of neo-Darwinism. In this
view every feature of human life is the result of an evolutionary
advantage of the characteristic in question. Sounds plausible. But how
then do you explain homosexual liaisons? The theories I have read sound
completely unconvincing. A gay is far more likely not to succeed in
transmitting his genes to future generations.
Maybe it is Nature and not God who doesn't like queers?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

I never heard any figures of that nature only that he thought the vedic 
religion was, as he put it, the trunk of the tree and other religions were like 
branches off the trunk.

 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

But Mike I'm not sure that Maharishi thought religion was so pure. I heard 
something along the lines of:Judaism expresses 75% of natural lawCatholicism 
expresses 50% of natural lawProtestantism expresses 25%Had you ever heard these 
figures?

 From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Thanks for re-reading that Share. I'm not for for anybody condemning anyone 
about their personal lives. I was merely offering an explanation which may or 
may not be valid.  Yes ,I think M did believe that religions still have that 
power but I also believe he knew that religion is pure and our ability to 
understand the intent is according to our own individual capacity or level of 
evolution.

 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Sorry, Mike, yes, you did say suppression and I read enforcement. It's a hot 
topic for me. It sounded like you were in favor of religion, at the very least, 
condemning people if their sexuality is different than the supposed norm.

I wonder if Maharishi thought that contemporary religions really have any power 
to protect the evolution of souls.

 From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was that I 
believe it's open season on harassing people about their sexuality, then she's 
all wet as you would be also if that's what you thought. My comment was in 
regard to the role of religion in general, not how people practice it. People 
practice their religions according to their ability and understanding, which 
has the capacity to evolve as they do..

 From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

--- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... 
wrote: 

 Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by 
 religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who 
 might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any 
 enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self 
 against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life 
 take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are.  And very well said, 
 Share.   --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon 
 mdixon.6569@ wrote: 

  Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of 
  homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional 
  incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In 
  other-words, if those *tendencies*areÂ  not suppressed, they become 
  stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is 
  to protect the evolution of the soul. 

   From: authfriend authfriend@ 
  To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com   Sent: Friday, August 23, 
  2013 6:24 PM 
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years 

  Â   

  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 
  wrote: 

   Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember 
   it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other 
   every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite 
   sex drags old tendencies from the previous birthÂ with it. The 
   second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third 
   incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super 
   masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the 
   next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous 
   birth which was exaggerated. 

  When you first posted this, you presented it as an 
  explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine 
  man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about 
  appearance, which I believe you were when you posted 
  it before) could just

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Suppression by coercion, social or political means is not what I'm referring 
to, although that has been what is accepted as the norm for centuries. I'm 
saying religions in general would suggest the suppression, not acting out 
specific desires, in order to extinguish that karma.

 From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 4:43 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

--- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... 
wrote:

 I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was that I 
 believeÂ it's open season on harassing people about their sexuality, then 
 she's all wet as you would be also if that's what you thought. My comment was 
 in regard to the role ofÂ religion in general, not how people practice it. 
 People practice their religions according to their ability and understanding, 
 which has the capacity to evolve as they do.

I think she was reacting, as I do, to the notion that
homosexual activity needs to be suppressed. That's an
entirely unnecessary cruelty, which, thankfully, we do
appear to be evolving *past*. With regard to Christianity
and Judaism, it isn't even clear that the biblical
passages cited in support of suppression have been
correctly interpreted.

  From: authfriend authfriend@...
 To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

 Â  

 --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ 
 wrote:

  Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by
  religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who
  might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any
  enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self
  against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life
  take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are.

 And very well said, Share.

  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 
  wrote:

   Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of 
   homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional 
   incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In 
   other-words, if those *tendencies*areÃ‚Â  not suppressed, they become 
   stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of religion is 
   to protect the evolution of the soul.

From: authfriend authfriend@
   To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

   Ã‚Â  

   --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 
   wrote:

Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember
it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other
every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite
sex drags old tendencies from the previous birthÃ‚Â with it. The
second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third 
incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super 
masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the
next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous
birth which was exaggerated.

   When you first posted this, you presented it as an
   explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine
   man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about
   appearance, which I believe you were when you posted
   it before) could just as easily be gay as straight.

   Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with
   homosexual preference. Often they go together, but
   sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want
   to change their gender.

   This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to 
   experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one 
   another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. 
   Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other 
   karmasÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â  and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be 
   expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That 
   could be untangling a
 mess that you'll never figure out.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Doc, Dr. Newton is a counseling psychologist, bestselling author and 
hypnotherapist whose specialty is research into lives between lives. I've only 
read his book Destiny of Souls but a dear friend had a session when he was 
traveling in CA years ago. 


In bringing up Dr. Newton's work I was addressing Seraphita's idea of 
Meritocracy being projected onto the cosmos. According to Dr. Newton it is the 
soul which decides whether to have an easy or more challenging life and 
evidently the soul often understands the wisdom of either choice. Sometimes an 
easy life is chosen simply to rest between 2 difficult lives. His book contains 
dozens of case studies.





 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:59 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
 


  
Hi Share - This sounds like this guy's fantasy - how can we choose other than 
what comes next? Also, if a person can always choose the cushy side, what's the 
downside to that? Is it a hidden test to look for masochistic tendencies? I 
would rather learn any lessons during a cushy life, than an awful one. Last, I 
haven't really found a life that didn't contain some hard lessons in it, for 
each and every one of us. For one thing, no one gets out of here alive.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Seraphita, Michael Newton, writes books about the bardo, what happens between 
 lives, etc. He says that souls are able to choose whether to have a learning 
 lessons life or a cushy life. That actually before we come in, we are 
 offered a choice of 3 or 4 lives. And I like your idea of God as artist.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: Seraphita s3raphita@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 5:48 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
 
 
 
 Â  
 Re the Theosophists' view I reference below All of us are reincarnated over 
 many lifetimes and each of us will experience what it's like to be rich, what 
 it's like to be poor; what it's like to be respected, what it's like to be 
 scorned, and so on . . . including, naturally, each of us will have some of 
 our lives as women and other lives as men.:
 
 This view of reincarnation has always seemed nobler - more worthy of an 
 artist - to me: God is taking each of us on a universal tour to experience 
 all the highs and lows of life. If the Advaita-Vedantans are right and we 
 are actually the One Self pretending to be many different individuals then 
 that accords perfectly with this interpretation of reincarnation.
 
 The common view that if we're good, we earn a cushy life next time around is 
 pretty vulgar really. And the more spiritualised version that we're paying 
 our dues towards arhat status is really just the idea of meritocracy 
 projected onto the Cosmos.Â 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
 
  Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his 
  explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. 
  The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the 
  previous birthÃ‚Â with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced, 
  Ã‚Â while the third incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The 
  super masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next 
  change, brings with it, impressions from the previous birth which was 
  exaggerated. This would mean that all these experiences are natural for 
  everybody to experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we 
  treat one another going through theses phases of evolution determine our 
  own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of 
  our other karmasÃ‚Â  and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be 
  expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That
 could be
  untangling a
   mess that you'll never figure out.
  
  
  
  
   From: Share Long sharelong60@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:43 AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
  
  Ã‚Â  
  
  Answer to your serious question: we shall see. As to your other comments; 
  on a more mundane level, it's clear that we all have masculine and feminine 
  aspects. For example, we all have estrogen and testosterone flowing around 
  in our bodies. Given the ever expanding nature of the universe, it makes 
  sense to me that a variety of expressions with regards to gender will be 
  the rule rather than the exception.
  
  
  
  
   From: Seraphita s3raphita@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:22 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote:

 Suppression by coercion, socialÂ or political meansÂ is not what I'm 
 referring to, although that has been what is accepted as the norm for 
 centuries. I'm saying religions in general would suggest the suppression, not 
 acting out specific desires, in order to extinguish that karma.

Yes, I got that. Did you get that I said I didn't think
there was ever any need for suppression?

 
  
 
 
  From: authfriend authfriend@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 4:43 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
   
 Â   
  
 --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 
 wrote:
 
  I'm not really sure what Share was implying in that post. If it was that I 
  believeÃÂ it's open season on harassing people about their sexuality, then 
  she's all wet as you would be also if that's what you thought. My comment 
  was in regard to the role ofÃÂ religion in general, not how people 
  practice it. People practice their religions according to their ability and 
  understanding, which has the capacity to evolve as they do.
 
 I think she was reacting, as I do, to the notion that
 homosexual activity needs to be suppressed. That's an
 entirely unnecessary cruelty, which, thankfully, we do
 appear to be evolving *past*. With regard to Christianity
 and Judaism, it isn't even clear that the biblical
 passages cited in support of suppression have been
 correctly interpreted.
 
  
   From: authfriend authfriend@
  To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:39 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
  
  ÃÂ  
  
  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ 
  wrote:
  
   Unfortunately Mike, any enforcing activity is not done by
   religion itself. Enforcing is done by other humans who
   might have issues with sexuality. In general if there's any
   enforcing to be done, other than to defend one's self
   against or protect the weak from aggression, I say let life
   take care of enforcing whatever its natural laws are.
  
  And very well said, Share.
  
   --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 
   wrote:
   
Perhaps that is why religions, in general, encourage the suppression of 
homosexual activity, so that it remains only in that transitional 
incarnation instead of piling up from life- time to life- time. In 
other-words, if those *tendencies*areÃâÃÂ  not suppressed, they 
become stronger the next time. M has always said that the purpose of 
religion is to protect the evolution of the soul.




 From: authfriend authfriend@
To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

ÃâÃÂ  

--- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon 
mdixon.6569@ wrote:

 Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember
 it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other
 every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite
 sex drags old tendencies from the previous birthÃâÃÂ with it. The
 second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third 
 incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super 
 masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the
 next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous
 birth which was exaggerated.

When you first posted this, you presented it as an
explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine
man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about
appearance, which I believe you were when you posted
it before) could just as easily be gay as straight.

Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with
homosexual preference. Often they go together, but
sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want
to change their gender.

This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to 
experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one 
another going through theses phases of evolution determine our own 
fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of 
our other karmasÃÆ'Ã¢â¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ  and hang-ups and god only knows 
how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in 
the wrong body? That could be untangling a
  mess that you'll never figure out.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:
 
  Or perhaps that attitude toward homosexuality is
  all ignorant crap, and people are born gay because
  *they* had that attitude in a previous lifetime,
  and this time around need to experience what it
  feels like to be discriminated against.
 
  Maybe that attitude is currently in the process of
  diminishing because the straight folks alive today
  learned that lesson in *their* previous lifetimes.
  Maybe in another generation or so nobody will be
  able to understand why it was ever thought that
  there was anything wrong with being gay.
 
 Possibly - and I really do mean possibly - your are correct .

To be absolutely honest, I'm not proposing any karmic-type
argument seriously. One can invent a whole range of possible
karmic scenarios, but what the hell good do they do you?

 One of the problems with homosexually I have had is that
 the male penis and female vagina are obviously designed
 for each other. The male-male-sex and female-female sex
 seem to me odd for that reason.

Well, only if you see reproduction as the only point of
sexual activity.

 The situation is compounded by current ideas of neo-Darwinism.
 In this view every feature of human life is the result of an
 evolutionary advantage of the characteristic in question.
 Sounds plausible. But how then do you explain homosexual
 liaisons?

Not *every* feature of human life; every *biological*
feature of human life. Liaisons per se are cultural, not
biological. What does need explanation is the persistence
of a certain percentage of homosexuals in the human
population.

 The theories I have read sound completely unconvincing.

This one sounds pretty good to me; it's from a comment in
a discussion on this very topic on the blog Democratic
Underground:

Kin Selection is the theory that one's genes can have an evolutionary 
advantage by a non-reproductive individual [who] supports the offspring of 
their close biological relations. Hence most bees do not reproduce, but their 
genes keep going on because they support the reproductive efforts of their 
sister who shares many of their genes.

Now if you look to humans, consider smallish hunter/gatherer family tribes. 
And let's create a couple of speculative families:

* Family A has 2 daughters and 3 sons, all of whom grow up to reproduce. Let's 
say the total number of grandchildren is 25. 

* Family B has 2 daughters and 3 sons, all of whom reproduce except for the 
one son who prefers other men. Let's say the total number of grandchildren is 
20, because this one son has no offspring.

Looks like Family A has the evolutionary advantage. Except times aren't good 
and the subsistence lifestyle is taking it's toll on the children, who are 
dying left and right.

Now Family B has the advantage - it has one more adult male who contributes to 
the efforts to feed the family, and fewer children to consume [food] at that.

So the children in Family B, though fewer in number, have more food, more 
protection, and are more likely to successfully mature and reproduce than the 
children in family A. And that one son's genes are carried on quite nicely in 
the offspring of his sisters and brothers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesgforum=104topic_id=1806254mesg_id=1806486

http://tinyurl.com/lwyv4on

 A gay is far more likely not to succeed in
 transmitting his genes to future generations.

That's really only as of quite recently. Many if not most gay
men can impregnate a woman if it's incumbent upon them to do
so, and in past centuries there wasn't a separate class of
gay men. They married women and procreated just as straight
men did, and carried on a more fulfilling sex life on the side
while successfully passing on their genes as well.

I admit I don't know whether the explanation I quoted
from the blog and the one just above conflict with each
other, apply to different time frames, or what. I guess
the takeaway is that there's more than one way to 
account for the persistence of homosexuality.

We don't know exactly how it works yet, but we know that
it does. The evidence is pretty solid now that
homosexuality is biologically based. Given that, we have
to assume there *is* an evolutionary advantage and just
keep looking for it.

 Maybe it is Nature and not God who doesn't like queers?

Or maybe they're just fine with God *and* Nature. You know
that homosexual behavior has been found in just about all
species of mammals, right?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-24 Thread Ann



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:
 
  --
  Or perhaps that attitude toward homosexuality is
  all ignorant crap, and people are born gay because
  *they* had that attitude in a previous lifetime,
  and this time around need to experience what it
  feels like to be discriminated against.
 
  Maybe that attitude is currently in the process of
  diminishing because the straight folks alive today
  learned that lesson in *their* previous lifetimes.
  Maybe in another generation or so nobody will be
  able to understand why it was ever thought that
  there was anything wrong with being gay.
 
 
 Possibly - and I really do mean possibly - your are correct .
 One of the problems with homosexually I have had is that the male
 penis and female vagina are obviously designed for each other. The
 male-male-sex and female-female sex seem to me odd for that reason.

Only if you are viewing these 'tools', these organs as a means for procreation. 
If you need to get a job done then you look for the most efficient means to 
have that happen and a slender object that can fit neatly into an opening can 
be just the ticket but if you want to give pleasure or explore new 
possibilities then the tools don't really matter. Male to female suits a 
certain functionality but it doesn't fulfill every eventuality, every desire or 
whim.

 The situation is compounded by current ideas of neo-Darwinism. In this
 view every feature of human life is the result of an evolutionary
 advantage of the characteristic in question. Sounds plausible. But how
 then do you explain homosexual liaisons? The theories I have read sound
 completely unconvincing. A gay is far more likely not to succeed in
 transmitting his genes to future generations.

And how many miscreants (this is the second time today I have used this word, 
what's with that?) should never prolong their sorry genetic line and yet do so 
time after time? No, have it any way you want and procreation be damned.
 Maybe it is Nature and not God who doesn't like queers?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-24 Thread Ann



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Doc, Dr. Newton is a counseling psychologist, bestselling author and 
 hypnotherapist whose specialty is research into lives between lives. I've 
 only read his book Destiny of Souls but a dear friend had a session when he 
 was traveling in CA years ago. 
 
 
 In bringing up Dr. Newton's work I was addressing Seraphita's idea of 
 Meritocracy being projected onto the cosmos. According to Dr. Newton it is 
 the soul which decides whether to have an easy or more challenging life and 
 evidently the soul often understands the wisdom of either choice. Sometimes 
 an easy life is chosen simply to rest between 2 difficult lives. His book 
 contains dozens of case studies.

Hee, hee, ho, ho, ha, ha. Case studies, hee, hee, ho, ho, ha, ha...
 
 
 
 
 
  From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:59 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
  
 
 
 Â  
 Hi Share - This sounds like this guy's fantasy - how can we choose other than 
 what comes next? Also, if a person can always choose the cushy side, what's 
 the downside to that? Is it a hidden test to look for masochistic tendencies? 
 I would rather learn any lessons during a cushy life, than an awful one. 
 Last, I haven't really found a life that didn't contain some hard lessons in 
 it, for each and every one of us. For one thing, no one gets out of here 
 alive.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Seraphita, Michael Newton, writes books about the bardo, what happens 
  between lives, etc. He says that souls are able to choose whether to have a 
  learning lessons life or a cushy life. That actually before we come in, 
  we are offered a choice of 3 or 4 lives. And I like your idea of God as 
  artist.
  
  
  
  
  
   From: Seraphita s3raphita@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 5:48 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
  
  
  
  ÃÂ  
  Re the Theosophists' view I reference below All of us are reincarnated 
  over many lifetimes and each of us will experience what it's like to be 
  rich, what it's like to be poor; what it's like to be respected, what it's 
  like to be scorned, and so on . . . including, naturally, each of us will 
  have some of our lives as women and other lives as men.:
  
  This view of reincarnation has always seemed nobler - more worthy of an 
  artist - to me: God is taking each of us on a universal tour to 
  experience all the highs and lows of life. If the Advaita-Vedantans are 
  right and we are actually the One Self pretending to be many different 
  individuals then that accords perfectly with this interpretation of 
  reincarnation.
  
  The common view that if we're good, we earn a cushy life next time around 
  is pretty vulgar really. And the more spiritualised version that we're 
  paying our dues towards arhat status is really just the idea of meritocracy 
  projected onto the Cosmos.ÃÂ 
  
  
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
  
   Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his 
   explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three 
   incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old 
   tendencies from the previous birthÃâÃÂ with it. The second birth in 
   that sex is more balanced, ÃâÃÂ while the third incarnation is more 
   of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super 
   feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, 
   impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. This would 
   mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience 
   from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another 
   going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto 
   others as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other 
   karmasÃâÃÂ  and hang-ups and god only knows how it's going to be 
   expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? That
  could be
   untangling a
mess that you'll never figure out.
   
   
   
   
From: Share Long sharelong60@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:43 AM
   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 
   years
   
   ÃâÃÂ  
   
   Answer to your serious question: we shall see. As to your other comments; 
   on a more mundane level, it's clear that we all have masculine and 
   feminine aspects. For example, we all have estrogen and testosterone 
   flowing around in our bodies. Given the ever expanding nature of the 
   universe, it makes sense to me that a variety

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-24 Thread Ravi Chivukula


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann  wrote:



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Doc, Dr. Newton is a counseling psychologist, bestselling author and
hypnotherapist whose specialty is research into lives between lives.
I've only read his book Destiny of Souls but a dear friend had a session
when he was traveling in CA years ago.
 
 
  In bringing up Dr. Newton's work I was addressing Seraphita's idea
of Meritocracy being projected onto the cosmos. According to Dr. Newton
it is the soul which decides whether to have an easy or more challenging
life and evidently the soul often understands the wisdom of either
choice. Sometimes an easy life is chosen simply to rest between 2
difficult lives. His book contains dozens of case studies.

 Hee, hee, ho, ho, ha, ha. Case studies, hee, hee, ho, ho, ha, ha...

Ha - the extent to which people fantasize and come up with bizarre,
intricate narratives to cope up with reality.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-23 Thread Share Long

Answer to your serious question: we shall see. As to your other comments; on a 
more mundane level, it's clear that we all have masculine and feminine aspects. 
For example, we all have estrogen and testosterone flowing around in our 
bodies. Given the ever expanding nature of the universe, it makes sense to me 
that a variety of expressions with regards to gender will be the rule rather 
than the exception.





 From: Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:22 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
 


  
That was the Theosophists' line. They said that all of us are reincarnated over 
many lifetimes and each of us will experience what it's like to be rich, what 
it's like to be poor; what it's like to be respected, what it's like to be 
scorned, and so on . . .  including, naturally, each of us will have some of 
our lives as women and other lives as men. 

The thinking was that if you were a woman in a previous life and had just now 
incarnated as a man you could have homosexual tendencies this time around. Or 
if you were a woman and your next reincarnation was scheduled to be as a man 
you might have lesbian tendencies. (And various changes on that theme.)

What's neat about the theory is that it recognises that homosexuality is 
unnatural (most people's initial gut reaction?) but it justifies the 
orientation as being supernaturally ordained. Nice one! (It's a mirror image 
of the usual liberal approach that any sexual orientation is natural and so 
acceptable.)

Serious question: now that Bradley/Chelsea has requested the new identity does 
that mean that liberal outlets like CNN will call her Chelsea while 
conservative outlets like Fox will call him Bradley in their news coverage?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60  wrote:

 I think it was Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible explanation 
 from Charlie Lutes: that a person is carrying non physical gender qualities 
 over from a previous life time. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita  wrote:
  
   - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:
   Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche.
   
   This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day.
   From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read:
   While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions
   on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense
   regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from
   military service.
  
   Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work.
  
  Not any more. She's been dishonorably discharged.
  
  She said she joined the Army to try to overcome her sense
  that she was a woman. Now that the trial is over and she's
  out of the Army, she's decided to go for it.
  
  FWIW, research is increasingly showing that gender dysphoria
  has biological causes. It's beginning to look as though a
  man, say, doesn't want to be a woman because he's screwed
  up, but is screwed up because he wants to be a woman.
  
  It's hard to imagine what it must be like to feel you're in
  the wrong kind of body and to know that everybody thinks
  you're someone you know you aren't--and for this to be the
  case from the time you were a very little kid. That would
  mess with anyone's mind.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-23 Thread Mike Dixon

But I think she just looks *adorable* in that cute military outfit and that 
beret is just absolutely stunning, gives her a *touch* of masculinity. I wonder 
who does her nails.

 From: Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:55 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:Manning says she's 
always been a woman in her mind/psyche. 
This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day. 

From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read:

While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions on 
gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense regulations; 
transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from military service.

Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-23 Thread doctordumbass

I personally would like to see a wardrobe malfunction...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote:

 But I think she just looks *adorable* in that cute military outfit and that 
 beret is just absolutely stunning, gives her a *touch* of masculinity. I 
 wonder who does her nails.
 
  
 
 
  From: Seraphita s3raphita@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:55 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
   
 Â   
  
 
 
 - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:Manning says she's 
 always been a woman in her mind/psyche. 
 This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day.Â 
 
 From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read:
 
 While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions on 
 gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense regulations; 
 transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from military service.
 
 Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

That Wiki page has now had its heading changed to Chelsea Manning and
a note appears underneath saying:This page is currently protected from
editing until August 25, 2013, or until disputes have been resolved.
That must be a bitch of a job having to resolve controversial disputes
at Wikipedia!
I was taking another look at the page to see if Chelsea/Bradley will
serve her/his time at a military prison. I know he (getting bored typing
he/her) was convicted in an Army court but here in the UK military
prisoners serving long sentences are transferred to regular prisons.
(And 35 years counts as a long sentence in the UK. In the USA, I learn,
the longest jail term to a single person went to Charles Scott Robinson,
an American child rapist, who was sentenced in 1994 to 30, years,
the jury having recommended 5,000 years for each of the six counts
against him.) Because I have a morbid curiosity, I was wondering if it's
ever happened that a convict has served time in a men's prison and
subsequently been transferred to a women's prison after the necessary
gender-reassignment. Why anyone on FFL should know the answer to that
one I can't imagine.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita  wrote:

 I see the Wikipedia entry on Manning has already been updated and
refers
 to Bradley/Chelsea as she.
 Will the lady now be sent to a woman's prison? What larks!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Ah! I see it's to be Fort Leavenworth for Chelsea.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita  wrote:

 That Wiki page has now had its heading changed to Chelsea Manning
and
 a note appears underneath saying:This page is currently protected
from
 editing until August 25, 2013, or until disputes have been resolved.
 That must be a bitch of a job having to resolve controversial disputes
 at Wikipedia!
 I was taking another look at the page to see if Chelsea/Bradley will
 serve her/his time at a military prison. I know he (getting bored
typing
 he/her) was convicted in an Army court but here in the UK military
 prisoners serving long sentences are transferred to regular prisons.
 (And 35 years counts as a long sentence in the UK. In the USA, I
learn,
 the longest jail term to a single person went to Charles Scott
Robinson,
 an American child rapist, who was sentenced in 1994 to 30, years,
 the jury having recommended 5,000 years for each of the six counts
 against him.) Because I have a morbid curiosity, I was wondering if
it's
 ever happened that a convict has served time in a men's prison and
 subsequently been transferred to a women's prison after the necessary
 gender-reassignment. Why anyone on FFL should know the answer to that
 one I can't imagine.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita  wrote:
 
  I see the Wikipedia entry on Manning has already been updated and
 refers
  to Bradley/Chelsea as she.
  Will the lady now be sent to a woman's prison? What larks!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-23 Thread Mike Dixon

Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his 
explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The 
first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous 
birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced,  while the third 
incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or 
the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, 
impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. This would mean that 
all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to 
life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases 
of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto 
you. Pile-on all of our other karmas  and hang-ups and god only knows how it's 
going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? 
That could be untangling a
 mess that you'll never figure out.

 


 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
  
   
 
Answer to your serious question: we shall see. As to your other comments; on a 
more mundane level, it's clear that we all have masculine and feminine aspects. 
For example, we all have estrogen and testosterone flowing around in our 
bodies. Given the ever expanding nature of the universe, it makes sense to me 
that a variety of expressions with regards to gender will be the rule rather 
than the exception.

 


 From: Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:22 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
  
  
That was the Theosophists' line. They said that all of us are reincarnated over 
many lifetimes and each of us will experience what it's like to be rich, what 
it's like to be poor; what it's like to be respected, what it's like to be 
scorned, and so on . . .  including, naturally, each of us will have some of 
our lives as women and other lives as men. 

The thinking was that if you were a woman in a previous life and had just now 
incarnated as a man you could have homosexual tendencies this time around. Or 
if you were a woman and your next reincarnation was scheduled to be as a man 
you might have lesbian tendencies. (And various changes on that theme.)

What's neat about the theory is that it recognises that homosexuality is 
unnatural (most people's initial gut reaction?) but it justifies the 
orientation as being supernaturally ordained. Nice one! (It's a mirror image 
of the usual liberal approach that any sexual orientation is natural and so 
acceptable.)

Serious question: now that Bradley/Chelsea has requested the new identity does 
that mean that liberal outlets like CNN will call her Chelsea while 
conservative outlets like Fox will call him Bradley in their news coverage?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60  wrote: I think it was 
Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible explanation from Charlie Lutes: 
that a person is carrying non physical gender qualities over from a previous 
life time.   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ 
wrote:   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita  wrote:
 - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:   Manning says 
she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche.  This Manning chap 
becomes more embarrassing by the day.   From the Wiki article on the US 
Military and gays I read:   While restrictions on sexual orientation have 
been lifted, restrictions   on gender identity remain in place due to 
Department of Defense   regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to 
be barred from   military service. Sorry Chelsea - you're in the 
wrong line of work.Not any more.
 She's been dishonorably discharged.She said she joined the Army to try 
to overcome her sense  that she was a woman. Now that the trial is over and 
she's  out of the Army, she's decided to go for it.FWIW, research is 
increasingly showing that gender dysphoria  has biological causes. It's 
beginning to look as though a  man, say, doesn't want to be a woman because 
he's screwed  up, but is screwed up because he wants to be a woman.
It's hard to imagine what it must be like to feel you're in  the wrong kind 
of body and to know that everybody thinks  you're someone you know you 
aren't--and for this to be the  case from the time you were a very little 
kid. That would  mess with anyone's mind.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Justice demands that Simon Cowell ends up as a cockroach on a gay
bathhouse wall for his next 100 lifetimes.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:

 Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his
explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three
incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old
tendencies from the previous birthÂ with it. The second birth in that
sex is more balanced, Â while the third incarnation is more of an
exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine
woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from
the previous birth which was exaggerated. This would mean that all these
experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to
life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses
phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would
have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmasÂ  and hang-ups
and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone
feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a
  mess that you'll never figure out.



 
  From: Share Long sharelong60@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
years

 Â

 Answer to your serious question: we shall see. As to your other
comments; on a more mundane level, it's clear that we all have masculine
and feminine aspects. For example, we all have estrogen and testosterone
flowing around in our bodies. Given the ever expanding nature of the
universe, it makes sense to me that a variety of expressions with
regards to gender will be the rule rather than the exception.



 
  From: Seraphita s3raphita@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:22 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
years

 Â
 That was the Theosophists' line. They said that all of us are
reincarnated over many lifetimes and each of us will experience what
it's like to be rich, what it's like to be poor; what it's like to be
respected, what it's like to be scorned, and so on . . . Â including,
naturally, each of us will have some of our lives as women and other
lives as men.Â

 The thinking was that if you were a woman in a previous life and had
just now incarnated as a man you could have homosexual tendencies this
time around. Or if you were a woman and your next reincarnation was
scheduled to be as a man you might have lesbian tendencies. (And various
changes on that theme.)

 What's neat about the theory is that it recognises that homosexuality
is unnatural (most people's initial gut reaction?) but it justifies
the orientation as being supernaturally ordained. Nice one! (It's a
mirror image of the usual liberal approach that any sexual orientation
is natural and so acceptable.)

 Serious question: now that Bradley/Chelsea has requested the new
identity does that mean that liberal outlets like CNN will call her
Chelsea while conservative outlets like Fox will call him Bradley in
their news coverage?

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60  wrote: I think
it was Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible explanation from
Charlie Lutes: that a person is carrying non physical gender qualities
over from a previous life time.   --- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:   ---
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita  wrote: - In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:   Manning says
she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche.  This Manning
chap becomes more embarrassing by the day.   From the Wiki article
on the US Military and gays I read:   While restrictions on sexual
orientation have been lifted, restrictions   on gender identity
remain in place due to Department of Defense   regulations;
transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from   military
service. Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work. 
  Not any more.
  She's been dishonorably discharged.She said she joined the
Army to try to overcome her sense  that she was a woman. Now that the
trial is over and she's  out of the Army, she's decided to go for it.
   FWIW, research is increasingly showing that gender dysphoria 
has biological causes. It's beginning to look as though a  man, say,
doesn't want to be a woman because he's screwed  up, but is screwed up
because he wants to be a woman.It's hard to imagine what it must
be like to feel you're in  the wrong kind of body and to know that
everybody thinks  you're someone you know you aren't--and for this to
be the  case from the time you were a very little kid. That would 
mess with anyone's mind.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Re the Theosophists' view I reference below All of us are reincarnated
over many lifetimes and each of us will experience what it's like to be
rich, what it's like to be poor; what it's like to be respected, what
it's like to be scorned, and so on . . . including, naturally, each of
us will have some of our lives as women and other lives as men.:
This view of reincarnation has always seemed nobler - more worthy of an
artist - to me: God is taking each of us on a universal tour to
experience all the highs and lows of life. If the Advaita-Vedantans are
right and we are actually the One Self pretending to be many different
individuals then that accords perfectly with this interpretation of
reincarnation.
The common view that if we're good, we earn a cushy life next time
around is pretty vulgar really. And the more spiritualised version
that we're paying our dues towards arhat status is really just the idea
of meritocracy projected onto the Cosmos.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:

 Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his
explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three
incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old
tendencies from the previous birthÂ with it. The second birth in that
sex is more balanced, Â while the third incarnation is more of an
exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine
woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from
the previous birth which was exaggerated. This would mean that all these
experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to
life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses
phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would
have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmasÂ  and hang-ups
and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone
feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a
  mess that you'll never figure out.



 
  From: Share Long sharelong60@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
years

 Â

 Answer to your serious question: we shall see. As to your other
comments; on a more mundane level, it's clear that we all have masculine
and feminine aspects. For example, we all have estrogen and testosterone
flowing around in our bodies. Given the ever expanding nature of the
universe, it makes sense to me that a variety of expressions with
regards to gender will be the rule rather than the exception.



 
  From: Seraphita s3raphita@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:22 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
years

 Â
 That was the Theosophists' line. They said that all of us are
reincarnated over many lifetimes and each of us will experience what
it's like to be rich, what it's like to be poor; what it's like to be
respected, what it's like to be scorned, and so on . . . Â including,
naturally, each of us will have some of our lives as women and other
lives as men.Â

 The thinking was that if you were a woman in a previous life and had
just now incarnated as a man you could have homosexual tendencies this
time around. Or if you were a woman and your next reincarnation was
scheduled to be as a man you might have lesbian tendencies. (And various
changes on that theme.)

 What's neat about the theory is that it recognises that homosexuality
is unnatural (most people's initial gut reaction?) but it justifies
the orientation as being supernaturally ordained. Nice one! (It's a
mirror image of the usual liberal approach that any sexual orientation
is natural and so acceptable.)

 Serious question: now that Bradley/Chelsea has requested the new
identity does that mean that liberal outlets like CNN will call her
Chelsea while conservative outlets like Fox will call him Bradley in
their news coverage?

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60  wrote: I think
it was Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible explanation from
Charlie Lutes: that a person is carrying non physical gender qualities
over from a previous life time.   --- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:   ---
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita  wrote: - In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:   Manning says
she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche.  This Manning
chap becomes more embarrassing by the day.   From the Wiki article
on the US Military and gays I read:   While restrictions on sexual
orientation have been lifted, restrictions   on gender identity
remain in place due to Department of Defense   regulations;
transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from   military
service. Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote:
snip
 Because I have a morbid curiosity, I was wondering if it's
 ever happened that a convict has served time in a men's prison
 and subsequently been transferred to a women's prison after the 
 necessary gender-reassignment. Why anyone on FFL should know the 
 answer to that one I can't imagine.

I can't, but Manning isn't likely to actually get gender-
reassignment *treatment* in prison, although her lawyer is
planning to sue for it. Here's a video and two articles on
the circumstances she faces:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWqaNx8mDBc
(interview with a trans friend of Manning)

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/08/22/chelsea_manning_is_now_the_most_famous_transgender_inmate_in_america_all.html
(article at Slate by Amanda Hess)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/22/how-the-policy-might-be-changed.html

http://tinyurl.com/lcxqlea

Excerpt from the Daily Beast piece:

How Chelsea Manning Will Test the Military's Transgender Policy

...[The Prison Rape Elimination Act] led to regulations from the federal 
Department of Justice to determine housing for transgender inmates on a 
case-by-case basis, taking into account factors like personal preference and 
safety needs, according to the ACLU, not solely based on their genitals. The 
act bans protective custody for transgender inmates, along with segregated 
LGBT housing units, and it requires staff to be trained on how to communicate 
with and treat transgender inmates, even including the ban of genital searches 
of transgender inmates just to determine their gender. Those rules, as of 
June, apply to all correctional facilities that require federal funding.

Manning's notoriety and her public revelation about being transgender already 
put her at serious risk of harassment and/or rape at Leavenworth. No giant leap 
from there, then to argue that Manning would be best protected by the prison 
rape act by doing time in a women's facility, [Dru Levasseur, transgender 
rights project director at Lambda Legal] said

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote:
snip
 Because I have a morbid curiosity, I was wondering if it's
 ever happened that a convict has served time in a men's prison
 and subsequently been transferred to a women's prison after the 
 necessary gender-reassignment. Why anyone on FFL should know the 
 answer to that one I can't imagine.

I can't, but Manning isn't likely to actually get gender-
reassignment *treatment* in prison, although her lawyer is
planning to sue for it. Here's a video and two articles on
the circumstances she faces:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWqaNx8mDBc
(interview with a trans friend of Manning)

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/08/22/chelsea_manning_is_now_the_most_famous_transgender_inmate_in_america_all.html
(article at Slate by Amanda Hess)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/22/how-the-policy-might-be-changed.html

http://tinyurl.com/lcxqlea

Excerpt from the Daily Beast piece:

How Chelsea Manning Will Test the Military's Transgender Policy

...[The Prison Rape Elimination Act] led to regulations from the federal 
Department of Justice to determine housing for transgender inmates on a 
case-by-case basis, taking into account factors like personal preference and 
safety needs, according to the ACLU, not solely based on their genitals. The 
act bans protective custody for transgender inmates, along with segregated 
LGBT housing units, and it requires staff to be trained on how to communicate 
with and treat transgender inmates, even including the ban of genital searches 
of transgender inmates just to determine their gender. Those rules, as of 
June, apply to all correctional facilities that require federal funding.

Manning's notoriety and her public revelation about being transgender already 
put her at serious risk of harassment and/or rape at Leavenworth. No giant leap 
from there, then to argue that Manning would be best protected by the prison 
rape act by doing time in a women's facility, [Dru Levasseur, transgender 
rights project director at Lambda Legal] said

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-23 Thread obbajeeba


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote:

  Because I have a morbid curiosity, I was wondering if it's
  ever happened that a convict has served time in a men's prison
  and subsequently been transferred to a women's prison after the
  necessary gender-reassignment. Why anyone on FFL should know the
  answer to that one I can't imagine.

 I can't, but Manning isn't likely to actually get gender-
 reassignment *treatment* in prison, although her lawyer is
 planning to sue for it. Here's a video and two articles on
 the circumstances she faces:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWqaNx8mDBc
 (interview with a trans friend of Manning)


http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/08/22/chelsea_manning_is_now_t\
he_most_famous_transgender_inmate_in_america_all.html
 (article at Slate by Amanda Hess)


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/22/how-the-policy-might-be\
-changed.html

 http://tinyurl.com/lcxqlea

 Excerpt from the Daily Beast piece:

 How Chelsea Manning Will Test the Military's Transgender Policy

 ...[The Prison Rape Elimination Act] led to regulations from the
federal Department of Justice to determine housing for transgender
inmates on a case-by-case basis, taking into account factors like
personal preference and safety needs, according to the ACLU, not solely
based on their genitals. The act bans protective custody for
transgender inmates, along with segregated LGBT housing units, and it
requires staff to be trained on how to communicate with and treat
transgender inmates, even including the ban of genital searches of
transgender inmates just to determine their gender. Those rules, as of
June, apply to all correctional facilities that require federal funding.

 Manning's notoriety and her public revelation about being transgender
already put her at serious risk of harassment and/or rape at
Leavenworth. No giant leap from there, then to argue that Manning would
be best protected
 
(Cued it to the appropriate song)
http://youtu.be/lx5TZiReKtE?t=25s http://youtu.be/lx5TZiReKtE?t=25s

 by the prison rape act by doing time in a women's facility, [Dru
Levasseur, transgender rights project director at Lambda Legal] said

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote:

 Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember
 it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other
 every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite
 sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The
 second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third 
 incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super 
 masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the
 next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous
 birth which was exaggerated.

When you first posted this, you presented it as an
explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine
man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about
appearance, which I believe you were when you posted
it before) could just as easily be gay as straight.

Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with
homosexual preference. Often they go together, but
sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want
to change their gender.




 This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to 
experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another 
going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others 
as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmasÂ  and hang-ups 
and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels 
they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a
  mess that you'll never figure out.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote:

 Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember
 it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other
 every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite
 sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The
 second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third 
 incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super 
 masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the
 next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous
 birth which was exaggerated.

When you first posted this, you presented it as an
explanation for homosexuality. But a super masculine
man or super feminine woman (if you're talking about
appearance, which I believe you were when you posted
it before) could just as easily be gay as straight.

Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with
homosexual preference. Often they go together, but
sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want
to change their gender.




 This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to 
experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another 
going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others 
as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmasÂ  and hang-ups 
and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels 
they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a
  mess that you'll never figure out.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Thanks for your response. That has given me food for thought.
To me, one of the more grotesque features of American life has always
been the horrendous treatment of prisoners in the US prison system. It
has always astonished me that convicts have not been able to sue the
prison authorities for the gross abuse they are subject to: and yes,
rape is top of the list. When you think that citizens successfully sue
McDonalds for scalding hot coffee and other crap through the courts how
prisoners are still subject to such barbaric treatment really saddens
me. (And, yes, I know lots of them are complete low-lifes, but it
degrades us when we descend to that level.)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote:

  Because I have a morbid curiosity, I was wondering if it's
  ever happened that a convict has served time in a men's prison
  and subsequently been transferred to a women's prison after the
  necessary gender-reassignment. Why anyone on FFL should know the
  answer to that one I can't imagine.

 I can't, but Manning isn't likely to actually get gender-
 reassignment *treatment* in prison, although her lawyer is
 planning to sue for it. Here's a video and two articles on
 the circumstances she faces:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWqaNx8mDBc
 (interview with a trans friend of Manning)


http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/08/22/chelsea_manning_is_now_t\
he_most_famous_transgender_inmate_in_america_all.html
 (article at Slate by Amanda Hess)


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/22/how-the-policy-might-be\
-changed.html

 http://tinyurl.com/lcxqlea

 Excerpt from the Daily Beast piece:

 How Chelsea Manning Will Test the Military's Transgender Policy

 ...[The Prison Rape Elimination Act] led to regulations from the
federal Department of Justice to determine housing for transgender
inmates on a case-by-case basis, taking into account factors like
personal preference and safety needs, according to the ACLU, not solely
based on their genitals. The act bans protective custody for
transgender inmates, along with segregated LGBT housing units, and it
requires staff to be trained on how to communicate with and treat
transgender inmates, even including the ban of genital searches of
transgender inmates just to determine their gender. Those rules, as of
June, apply to all correctional facilities that require federal funding.

 Manning's notoriety and her public revelation about being transgender
already put her at serious risk of harassment and/or rape at
Leavenworth. No giant leap from there, then to argue that Manning would
be best protected by the prison rape act by doing time in a women's
facility, [Dru Levasseur, transgender rights project director at Lambda
Legal] said

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-23 Thread obbajeeba

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/world/americas/23iht-23prison.12253738\
.html?pagewanted=all_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/world/americas/23iht-23prison.1225373\
8.html?pagewanted=all_r=0

There is a lot of corruption here. The prison industry has a lot of
privatization and in some places, the Judges have stakes in those
privatized prisons.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita  wrote:

 Thanks for your response. That has given me food for thought.
 To me, one of the more grotesque features of American life has always
 been the horrendous treatment of prisoners in the US prison system. It
 has always astonished me that convicts have not been able to sue the
 prison authorities for the gross abuse they are subject to: and yes,
 rape is top of the list. When you think that citizens successfully sue
 McDonalds for scalding hot coffee and other crap through the courts
how
 prisoners are still subject to such barbaric treatment really saddens
 me. (And, yes, I know lots of them are complete low-lifes, but it
 degrades us when we descend to that level.)


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote:
 
   Because I have a morbid curiosity, I was wondering if it's
   ever happened that a convict has served time in a men's prison
   and subsequently been transferred to a women's prison after the
   necessary gender-reassignment. Why anyone on FFL should know the
   answer to that one I can't imagine.
 
  I can't, but Manning isn't likely to actually get gender-
  reassignment *treatment* in prison, although her lawyer is
  planning to sue for it. Here's a video and two articles on
  the circumstances she faces:
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWqaNx8mDBc
  (interview with a trans friend of Manning)
 
 

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/08/22/chelsea_manning_is_now_t\
\
 he_most_famous_transgender_inmate_in_america_all.html
  (article at Slate by Amanda Hess)
 
 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/22/how-the-policy-might-be\
\
 -changed.html
 
  http://tinyurl.com/lcxqlea
 
  Excerpt from the Daily Beast piece:
 
  How Chelsea Manning Will Test the Military's Transgender Policy
 
  ...[The Prison Rape Elimination Act] led to regulations from the
 federal Department of Justice to determine housing for transgender
 inmates on a case-by-case basis, taking into account factors like
 personal preference and safety needs, according to the ACLU, not
solely
 based on their genitals. The act bans protective custody for
 transgender inmates, along with segregated LGBT housing units, and it
 requires staff to be trained on how to communicate with and treat
 transgender inmates, even including the ban of genital searches of
 transgender inmates just to determine their gender. Those rules, as
of
 June, apply to all correctional facilities that require federal
funding.
 
  Manning's notoriety and her public revelation about being
transgender
 already put her at serious risk of harassment and/or rape at
 Leavenworth. No giant leap from there, then to argue that Manning
would
 be best protected by the prison rape act by doing time in a women's
 facility, [Dru Levasseur, transgender rights project director at
Lambda
 Legal] said

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote:

 Thanks for your response. That has given me food for thought.
 To me, one of the more grotesque features of American life has always
 been the horrendous treatment of prisoners in the US prison system. It
 has always astonished me that convicts have not been able to sue the
 prison authorities for the gross abuse they are subject to: and yes,
 rape is top of the list. When you think that citizens successfully sue
 McDonalds for scalding hot coffee and other crap through the courts how
 prisoners are still subject to such barbaric treatment really saddens
 me. (And, yes, I know lots of them are complete low-lifes, but it
 degrades us when we descend to that level.)

Oh, I couldn't agree with you more. It's just a terrible,
ghastly disgrace. A lot of people who might otherwise be
salvageable *become* incorrigible low-lifes after being
incarcerated.

You might be interested in this post on the blog Talk
Left (run by one of the defense attorneys for Timothy
McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber), on Manning's
situation (including links to other articles and a
post on relevant case law from Courthouse News Service):

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2013/8/22/163920/964/civilliberties/Chelsea-Manning-Requests-Hormone-Treatment

http://tinyurl.com/l3sf4ej

Check out the comments for this post. Several of the
commenters have knowledge of what's involved in
transitioning for transgender folks and some thoughts on
how important it is for their mental health (and 
physical health as well, in that the rate of suicide
among untreated transgender individuals is *very* high).






 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote:
 
   Because I have a morbid curiosity, I was wondering if it's
   ever happened that a convict has served time in a men's prison
   and subsequently been transferred to a women's prison after the
   necessary gender-reassignment. Why anyone on FFL should know the
   answer to that one I can't imagine.
 
  I can't, but Manning isn't likely to actually get gender-
  reassignment *treatment* in prison, although her lawyer is
  planning to sue for it. Here's a video and two articles on
  the circumstances she faces:
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWqaNx8mDBc
  (interview with a trans friend of Manning)
 
 
 http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/08/22/chelsea_manning_is_now_t\
 he_most_famous_transgender_inmate_in_america_all.html
  (article at Slate by Amanda Hess)
 
 
 http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/22/how-the-policy-might-be\
 -changed.html
 
  http://tinyurl.com/lcxqlea
 
  Excerpt from the Daily Beast piece:
 
  How Chelsea Manning Will Test the Military's Transgender Policy
 
  ...[The Prison Rape Elimination Act] led to regulations from the
 federal Department of Justice to determine housing for transgender
 inmates on a case-by-case basis, taking into account factors like
 personal preference and safety needs, according to the ACLU, not solely
 based on their genitals. The act bans protective custody for
 transgender inmates, along with segregated LGBT housing units, and it
 requires staff to be trained on how to communicate with and treat
 transgender inmates, even including the ban of genital searches of
 transgender inmates just to determine their gender. Those rules, as of
 June, apply to all correctional facilities that require federal funding.
 
  Manning's notoriety and her public revelation about being transgender
 already put her at serious risk of harassment and/or rape at
 Leavenworth. No giant leap from there, then to argue that Manning would
 be best protected by the prison rape act by doing time in a women's
 facility, [Dru Levasseur, transgender rights project director at Lambda
 Legal] said

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

The United States has less than 5 percent of the world's population.
But it has almost a quarter of the world's prisoners.
That says so much. If I was a citizen of your fair land this would be
the cause I'd take up.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/world/americas/23iht-23prison.12253738\
\
 .html?pagewanted=all_r=0
  8.html?pagewanted=all_r=0

 There is a lot of corruption here. The prison industry has a lot of
 privatization and in some places, the Judges have stakes in those
 privatized prisons.


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita  wrote:
 
  Thanks for your response. That has given me food for thought.
  To me, one of the more grotesque features of American life has
always
  been the horrendous treatment of prisoners in the US prison system.
It
  has always astonished me that convicts have not been able to sue the
  prison authorities for the gross abuse they are subject to: and yes,
  rape is top of the list. When you think that citizens successfully
sue
  McDonalds for scalding hot coffee and other crap through the courts
 how
  prisoners are still subject to such barbaric treatment really
saddens
  me. (And, yes, I know lots of them are complete low-lifes, but it
  degrades us when we descend to that level.)
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@
wrote:
  
Because I have a morbid curiosity, I was wondering if it's
ever happened that a convict has served time in a men's prison
and subsequently been transferred to a women's prison after the
necessary gender-reassignment. Why anyone on FFL should know the
answer to that one I can't imagine.
  
   I can't, but Manning isn't likely to actually get gender-
   reassignment *treatment* in prison, although her lawyer is
   planning to sue for it. Here's a video and two articles on
   the circumstances she faces:
  
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWqaNx8mDBc
   (interview with a trans friend of Manning)
  
  
 

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/08/22/chelsea_manning_is_now_t\
\
 \
  he_most_famous_transgender_inmate_in_america_all.html
   (article at Slate by Amanda Hess)
  
  
 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/22/how-the-policy-might-be\
\
 \
  -changed.html
  
   http://tinyurl.com/lcxqlea
  
   Excerpt from the Daily Beast piece:
  
   How Chelsea Manning Will Test the Military's Transgender Policy
  
   ...[The Prison Rape Elimination Act] led to regulations from the
  federal Department of Justice to determine housing for transgender
  inmates on a case-by-case basis, taking into account factors like
  personal preference and safety needs, according to the ACLU, not
 solely
  based on their genitals. The act bans protective custody for
  transgender inmates, along with segregated LGBT housing units, and
it
  requires staff to be trained on how to communicate with and treat
  transgender inmates, even including the ban of genital searches of
  transgender inmates just to determine their gender. Those rules, as
 of
  June, apply to all correctional facilities that require federal
 funding.
  
   Manning's notoriety and her public revelation about being
 transgender
  already put her at serious risk of harassment and/or rape at
  Leavenworth. No giant leap from there, then to argue that Manning
 would
  be best protected by the prison rape act by doing time in a women's
  facility, [Dru Levasseur, transgender rights project director at
 Lambda
  Legal] said

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-22 Thread iranitea



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
 
  Important Notice:
  Judy has only ten toes. Rory, you get five and Iranatea gets five. Now 
  don't fight boys.
 
 :-D

You forgot that I'm already the fluffer of Barry. It's a complicated act :-D 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhqi6ysY_HQ

[FairfieldLife] RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-22 Thread feste37

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-22 Thread Mike Dixon

Might get a little more sympathy from the WH had he chosen Malia or Sasha as 
his new name.

 From: fest...@yahoo.com fest...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:17 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

I see he wants now to be known as Chelsea. Now there is one fucked-up dude. 
He should never have been allowed anywhere near classified information, and he 
shouldn't have leaked it. He broke his oath to the Army. An army without 
discipline can't function.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:

  Important Notice:
  Judy has only ten toes. Rory, you get five and Iranatea gets five. Now 
  don't fight boys.

 :-D

You forgot that I'm already the fluffer of Barry. It's a complicated act :-D 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhqi6ysY_HQ

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Feste wrote:

I see he wants now to be known as Chelsea. Now there is one
fucked-up dude. He should never have been allowed anywhere
near classified information, and he shouldn't have leaked it.
He broke his oath to the Army. An army without discipline
can't function.

Your compassion for Manning is noted.

As to the Army, from a piece on Manning by Matt Taibbi in Rolling Stone in June:

...What would be the correct kind of person to have access to videos of
civilian massacres? Who's the right kind of person to be let in the know about
the fact that we systematically turned academics and other suspects over to
the Iraqi military to be tortured? We want people who will, what, sit on this
stuff? Apparently the idea is to hire the kind of person who will cheerfully
help us keep this sort of thing hidden from ourselves.

The thing is, when it comes to things like the infamous Collateral Murder
video, whether it's Bradley Manning or anyone else, any decent human being
would have had an obligation to come forward. Presented with that material, you
either become part of a campaign of torture and murder by saying nothing, or
you have to make it public. Morally, there's no option.

Yes, Manning went beyond even that. One can definitely quibble about the volume
of the material he released and the manner in which he released it. And I get
that military secrets should, in a properly functioning society, be kept secret.

But when military secrets cross the line into atrocities, the act of keeping
these secrets secret ceases to have much meaning.

The issues to be debated at this trial are massive in scope. They're about the
character of the society we've all created, not the state of mind of one
troubled Army private. If anyone tries to tell you anything else, he's selling
you something.

Read more:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/as-bradley-manning-trial-begins-press-predictably-misses-the-point-20130605#ixzz2ciwY3q8y

http://tinyurl.com/ko7ys3l

[FairfieldLife] RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-22 Thread feste37

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-22 Thread Duveyoung

Ill considered?  No way.  Manning give a two hour long review of his 
motivations.  

He did a crime, but he exposed THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF HORRENDOUS CRIMES.

Every single person cooperating with what the government is doing IS A 
CORRUPTED MIND COMPLETELY SOLD OUT TO THE MONSTERS OF GREED.

The complicity of those who know -- condemns them utterly.

I'll take Manning's morality and gender choices as sanity compared to what 
those who stay silent call their conscientiousness.

http://www.filmsforaction.org/news/travesty_of_justice_bradley_manning_sentenced_to_35_years/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Feste wrote:

 Compassion has nothing to do with it.

Obviously not for you.

 The article says Manning
 (or any decent human being in his position) had no other
 option than to do what he did, but that is not so. He could
 have quit the military.

I think Taibbi meant no other *moral* option.

 All he had to do was say I am a homosexual or I am really
 a woman (as he appears now to believe)

Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche.

 and he would have
 been discharged. He managed to convince himself that he was
 acting out of high moral principle, but in truth he was just
 a confused adolescent who chose to act out in a very stupid
 and ill-considered manner.

I didn't know you were such a close friend of hers.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years


- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:
Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche.


This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day.
From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read:
While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions
on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense
regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from
military service.
Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

I see the Wikipedia entry on Manning has already been updated and refers
to Bradley/Chelsea as she.
Will the lady now be sent to a woman's prison? What larks!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita  wrote:


 - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:
 Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche.
 

 This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day.
 From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read:
 While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted,
restrictions
 on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense
 regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from
 military service.
 Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote:

 - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:
 Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche.
 
 This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day.
 From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read:
 While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions
 on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense
 regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from
 military service.

 Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work.

Not any more. She's been dishonorably discharged.

She said she joined the Army to try to overcome her sense
that she was a woman. Now that the trial is over and she's
out of the Army, she's decided to go for it.

FWIW, research is increasingly showing that gender dysphoria
has biological causes. It's beginning to look as though a
man, say, doesn't want to be a woman because he's screwed
up, but is screwed up because he wants to be a woman.

It's hard to imagine what it must be like to feel you're in
the wrong kind of body and to know that everybody thinks
you're someone you know you aren't--and for this to be the
case from the time you were a very little kid. That would
mess with anyone's mind.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-22 Thread sharelong60

I think it was Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible explanation from 
Charlie Lutes: that a person is carrying non physical gender qualities over 
from a previous life time. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote:
 
  - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:
  Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche.
  
  This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day.
  From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read:
  While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions
  on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense
  regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from
  military service.
 
  Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work.
 
 Not any more. She's been dishonorably discharged.
 
 She said she joined the Army to try to overcome her sense
 that she was a woman. Now that the trial is over and she's
 out of the Army, she's decided to go for it.
 
 FWIW, research is increasingly showing that gender dysphoria
 has biological causes. It's beginning to look as though a
 man, say, doesn't want to be a woman because he's screwed
 up, but is screwed up because he wants to be a woman.
 
 It's hard to imagine what it must be like to feel you're in
 the wrong kind of body and to know that everybody thinks
 you're someone you know you aren't--and for this to be the
 case from the time you were a very little kid. That would
 mess with anyone's mind.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

That was the Theosophists' line. They said that all of us are
reincarnated over many lifetimes and each of us will experience what
it's like to be rich, what it's like to be poor; what it's like to be
respected, what it's like to be scorned, and so on . . .  including,
naturally, each of us will have some of our lives as women and other
lives as men.
The thinking was that if you were a woman in a previous life and had
just now incarnated as a man you could have homosexual tendencies this
time around. Or if you were a woman and your next reincarnation was
scheduled to be as a man you might have lesbian tendencies. (And various
changes on that theme.)
What's neat about the theory is that it recognises that homosexuality is
unnatural (most people's initial gut reaction?) but it justifies the
orientation as being supernaturally ordained. Nice one! (It's a mirror
image of the usual liberal approach that any sexual orientation is
natural and so acceptable.)
Serious question: now that Bradley/Chelsea has requested the new
identity does that mean that liberal outlets like CNN will call her
Chelsea while conservative outlets like Fox will call him Bradley in
their news coverage?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60  wrote:

 I think it was Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible
explanation from Charlie Lutes: that a person is carrying non physical
gender qualities over from a previous life time.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita  wrote:
  
   - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:
   Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche.
  
   This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day.
   From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read:
   While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted,
restrictions
   on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense
   regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from
   military service.
  
   Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work.
 
  Not any more. She's been dishonorably discharged.
 
  She said she joined the Army to try to overcome her sense
  that she was a woman. Now that the trial is over and she's
  out of the Army, she's decided to go for it.
 
  FWIW, research is increasingly showing that gender dysphoria
  has biological causes. It's beginning to look as though a
  man, say, doesn't want to be a woman because he's screwed
  up, but is screwed up because he wants to be a woman.
 
  It's hard to imagine what it must be like to feel you're in
  the wrong kind of body and to know that everybody thinks
  you're someone you know you aren't--and for this to be the
  case from the time you were a very little kid. That would
  mess with anyone's mind.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote:

 I think it was Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible 
 explanation from Charlie Lutes: that a person is carrying non 
 physical gender qualities over from a previous life time.

No, that had to do with homosexuals, not transgender
individuals. Didn't make any sense for homosexuals,
though. Charlie assumed homosexual men had feminine
characteristics and homosexual women had masculine
characteristics, an old stereotype that doesn't apply
anywhere near across the board. And most homosexuals
have no desire to be the opposite sex.


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote:
  
   - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:
   Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche.
   
   This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day.
   From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read:
   While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions
   on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense
   regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from
   military service.
  
   Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work.
  
  Not any more. She's been dishonorably discharged.
  
  She said she joined the Army to try to overcome her sense
  that she was a woman. Now that the trial is over and she's
  out of the Army, she's decided to go for it.
  
  FWIW, research is increasingly showing that gender dysphoria
  has biological causes. It's beginning to look as though a
  man, say, doesn't want to be a woman because he's screwed
  up, but is screwed up because he wants to be a woman.
  
  It's hard to imagine what it must be like to feel you're in
  the wrong kind of body and to know that everybody thinks
  you're someone you know you aren't--and for this to be the
  case from the time you were a very little kid. That would
  mess with anyone's mind.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-22 Thread Mike Dixon

The US military is highly discriminatory. How many blind snipers are there? How 
many paraplegic Navy SEALS. How many handicapped parking places are marked for 
tanks?The inhumanity of it!

 From: Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:06 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

I see the Wikipedia entry on Manning has already been updated and refers to 
Bradley/Chelsea as she.

Will the lady now be sent to a woman's prison? What larks!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita  wrote:  - In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote: Manning says she's always 
been a woman in her mind/psyche.   This Manning chap becomes more 
embarrassing by the day. From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I 
read: While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions 
on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense regulations; 
transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from military service. Sorry 
Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Love it!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:

 The US military is highly discriminatory. How many blind snipers are
there? How many paraplegic Navy SEALS. How many handicapped parking
places are marked for tanks?The inhumanity of it!

[FairfieldLife] RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-22 Thread feste37

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Re Feste 37: CNN is a liberal outlet? Surely you jest. Now, MSNBC,
there's a liberal outlet. :
I confess my ignorance of US news organisations. But a Google confirms
your view of MSNBC.
The one I always hear complained about is Fox for being right-wing.
Isn't CNN Ted Turner's outfit? And isn't he a classic liberal? He was
married to Hanoi Jane! He dubbed opponents of abortion bozos. What do
you want him to do: enter into a gay marriage?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-22 Thread Ann



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote:

 I think it was Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible explanation 
 from Charlie Lutes: that a person is carrying non physical gender qualities 
 over from a previous life time. 

plausible is funny here. If I were to mention this theory to 90% of the 
people I know they would think this was a lot of things but plausible 
wouldn't be one of them. You seem to assume that most people believe in 
reincarnation
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote:
  
   - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:
   Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche.
   
   This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day.
   From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read:
   While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions
   on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense
   regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from
   military service.
  
   Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work.
  
  Not any more. She's been dishonorably discharged.
  
  She said she joined the Army to try to overcome her sense
  that she was a woman. Now that the trial is over and she's
  out of the Army, she's decided to go for it.
  
  FWIW, research is increasingly showing that gender dysphoria
  has biological causes. It's beginning to look as though a
  man, say, doesn't want to be a woman because he's screwed
  up, but is screwed up because he wants to be a woman.
  
  It's hard to imagine what it must be like to feel you're in
  the wrong kind of body and to know that everybody thinks
  you're someone you know you aren't--and for this to be the
  case from the time you were a very little kid. That would
  mess with anyone's mind.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-21 Thread Duveyoung

Judy, Of all the stances you've taken, this one condemns you as a broken 
personality.  

How could anything about this be good news?

BAH!

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 The prosecution had asked for *60 years*. He'll have 3 years
 knocked off the 35 for time in custody and for mistreatment
 he received during his pretrial confinement.
 
 He'll be eligible for parole in a little over 8 years.
 
 Everything I've been reading suggested he'd be in prison for
 the rest of his life, so this seems to me to be very good news
 under the circumstances.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-21 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote:

 Judy, Of all the stances you've taken, this one condemns you
 as a broken personality.  
 
 How could anything about this be good news?

Well, if you're thinking it's bad news because they should
have strung him up or thrown him in the Hole for life, we
have nothing to discuss.

On the other hand, if you're thinking he shouldn't have
gotten *any* prison time, we are in perfect agreement.
Given that he was going to get prison time no matter what,
though--that being the circumstances I referred to--I'm
very glad he got the lighter sentence.



 BAH!
 
 Edg
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  The prosecution had asked for *60 years*. He'll have 3 years
  knocked off the 35 for time in custody and for mistreatment
  he received during his pretrial confinement.
  
  He'll be eligible for parole in a little over 8 years.
  
  Everything I've been reading suggested he'd be in prison for
  the rest of his life, so this seems to me to be very good news
  under the circumstances.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Judy, Of all the stances you've taken, this one condemns you
  as a broken personality.  
  
  How could anything about this be good news?
 
 Well, if you're thinking it's bad news because they should
 have strung him up or thrown him in the Hole for life, we
 have nothing to discuss.
 
 On the other hand, if you're thinking he shouldn't have
 gotten *any* prison time, we are in perfect agreement.
 Given that he was going to get prison time no matter what,
 though--that being the circumstances I referred to--I'm
 very glad he got the lighter sentence.

I think he misunderstood what you were saying but this post of yours has made 
it crystal clear.
 
 
 
  BAH!
  
  Edg
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
   The prosecution had asked for *60 years*. He'll have 3 years
   knocked off the 35 for time in custody and for mistreatment
   he received during his pretrial confinement.
   
   He'll be eligible for parole in a little over 8 years.
   
   Everything I've been reading suggested he'd be in prison for
   the rest of his life, so this seems to me to be very good news
   under the circumstances.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-21 Thread Duveyoung

Okay, I misunderstood.   GAWD I walked right into that one.  Ha!  Gotta just 
gotta hone my reading skills.  Yep, on 2nd reading, your text was communicative 
enough that I should've picked up on your meaning.  

But small choice in rotten apples has me grouchy.  Let's face it:  they'll 
torture this guy forever, and add too he will never leave prison except as a 
shambling wreck -- not that he isn't one already.

I could not believe you were saying what I thought you were saying, so that 
should have prompted me to do a second read.  So there's two confessed bads.  
The list grows as the attention dwells!  

I'm outta heah.

Edg


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Judy, Of all the stances you've taken, this one condemns you
  as a broken personality.  
  
  How could anything about this be good news?
 
 Well, if you're thinking it's bad news because they should
 have strung him up or thrown him in the Hole for life, we
 have nothing to discuss.
 
 On the other hand, if you're thinking he shouldn't have
 gotten *any* prison time, we are in perfect agreement.
 Given that he was going to get prison time no matter what,
 though--that being the circumstances I referred to--I'm
 very glad he got the lighter sentence.
 
 
 
  BAH!
  
  Edg
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
   The prosecution had asked for *60 years*. He'll have 3 years
   knocked off the 35 for time in custody and for mistreatment
   he received during his pretrial confinement.
   
   He'll be eligible for parole in a little over 8 years.
   
   Everything I've been reading suggested he'd be in prison for
   the rest of his life, so this seems to me to be very good news
   under the circumstances.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-21 Thread authfriend

Heh heh. It happens, we all do it now and then, no
problem. Thanks for following up.

The only way what you said would have made any sense
is if you were out for Manning's blood, and that
clearly ain't you, babe, so I figured something had
gone awry somewhere.

Know what you mean about small choice in rotten apples
(good phrase; is that yours?). The whole Manning story 
has been so depressing that this was actually a
pleasant surprise, because it could have been so much
worse.

I do have the sense that there was such a scandale about
his horrendously inhumane treatment that they may not 
try that again. (God only knows how he'll fare at the
hands of the other inmates, but maybe he'll get adequate
protection.)

And I was surprised to learn he'll be eligible for
parole after eight or so years. Of course they can deny
him that just out of spite, but again if he behaves
himself and doesn't give them any reason to deny parole,
that'll also create a big fuss. He has a *constituency*
of sorts now.

I mean, who knows? But I think there's a good chance
he'll be relatively OK, or at least not too much worse
than when he goes in. I kept reading that he would
likely be imprisoned for the rest of his life, and my
heart just sank. So, modified rapture at this news.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote:

 Okay, I misunderstood.   GAWD I walked right into that one.  Ha!  Gotta just 
 gotta hone my reading skills.  Yep, on 2nd reading, your text was 
 communicative enough that I should've picked up on your meaning.  
 
 But small choice in rotten apples has me grouchy.  Let's face it:  they'll 
 torture this guy forever, and add too he will never leave prison except as a 
 shambling wreck -- not that he isn't one already.
 
 I could not believe you were saying what I thought you were saying, so that 
 should have prompted me to do a second read.  So there's two confessed bads.  
 The list grows as the attention dwells!  
 
 I'm outta heah.
 
 Edg
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Judy, Of all the stances you've taken, this one condemns you
   as a broken personality.  
   
   How could anything about this be good news?
  
  Well, if you're thinking it's bad news because they should
  have strung him up or thrown him in the Hole for life, we
  have nothing to discuss.
  
  On the other hand, if you're thinking he shouldn't have
  gotten *any* prison time, we are in perfect agreement.
  Given that he was going to get prison time no matter what,
  though--that being the circumstances I referred to--I'm
  very glad he got the lighter sentence.
  
  
  
   BAH!
   
   Edg
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
   
The prosecution had asked for *60 years*. He'll have 3 years
knocked off the 35 for time in custody and for mistreatment
he received during his pretrial confinement.

He'll be eligible for parole in a little over 8 years.

Everything I've been reading suggested he'd be in prison for
the rest of his life, so this seems to me to be very good news
under the circumstances.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Seriously, Edg? A broken personality? 

Between you and iranitea, I am beginning to think it is a full moon, or 
something :-)

(And as always, Judy, re the latter you astonish me with your patience, 
accuracy and fortitude...)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote:

 Judy, Of all the stances you've taken, this one condemns you as a broken 
 personality.  
 
 How could anything about this be good news?
 
 BAH!
 
 Edg
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  The prosecution had asked for *60 years*. He'll have 3 years
  knocked off the 35 for time in custody and for mistreatment
  he received during his pretrial confinement.
  
  He'll be eligible for parole in a little over 8 years.
  
  Everything I've been reading suggested he'd be in prison for
  the rest of his life, so this seems to me to be very good news
  under the circumstances.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

My apologies, Edg; I didn't realize I had lagged so far behind the 
conversational front when I wrote this. I have been trying to delete it, 
unsuccessfully, ever since...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote:

 Seriously, Edg? A broken personality? 
 
 Between you and iranitea, I am beginning to think it is a full moon, or 
 something :-)
 
 (And as always, Judy, re the latter you astonish me with your patience, 
 accuracy and fortitude...)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Judy, Of all the stances you've taken, this one condemns you as a broken 
  personality.  
  
  How could anything about this be good news?
  
  BAH!
  
  Edg
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
   The prosecution had asked for *60 years*. He'll have 3 years
   knocked off the 35 for time in custody and for mistreatment
   he received during his pretrial confinement.
   
   He'll be eligible for parole in a little over 8 years.
   
   Everything I've been reading suggested he'd be in prison for
   the rest of his life, so this seems to me to be very good news
   under the circumstances.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote:

 My apologies, Edg; I didn't realize I had lagged so far behind the 
 conversational front when I wrote this. I have been trying to delete it, 
 unsuccessfully, ever since...

It's fine Rory, I like that fiery side you just showed us. Don't ever apologize 
for a little righteous indignation, Edg'll be fine.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
 
  Seriously, Edg? A broken personality? 
  
  Between you and iranitea, I am beginning to think it is a full moon, or 
  something :-)
  
  (And as always, Judy, re the latter you astonish me with your patience, 
  accuracy and fortitude...)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Judy, Of all the stances you've taken, this one condemns you as a broken 
   personality.  
   
   How could anything about this be good news?
   
   BAH!
   
   Edg
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
   
The prosecution had asked for *60 years*. He'll have 3 years
knocked off the 35 for time in custody and for mistreatment
he received during his pretrial confinement.

He'll be eligible for parole in a little over 8 years.

Everything I've been reading suggested he'd be in prison for
the rest of his life, so this seems to me to be very good news
under the circumstances.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Thanks, Ann, I appreciate that, but as the whole kerfuffle had been sorted out 
before I chimed in, my post was unnecessary... well, except for the opportunity 
to suck up to Judy, of course...;-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
 
  My apologies, Edg; I didn't realize I had lagged so far behind the 
  conversational front when I wrote this. I have been trying to delete it, 
  unsuccessfully, ever since...
 
 It's fine Rory, I like that fiery side you just showed us. Don't ever 
 apologize for a little righteous indignation, Edg'll be fine.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
  
   Seriously, Edg? A broken personality? 
   
   Between you and iranitea, I am beginning to think it is a full moon, or 
   something :-)
   
   (And as always, Judy, re the latter you astonish me with your patience, 
   accuracy and fortitude...)
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
   
Judy, Of all the stances you've taken, this one condemns you as a 
broken personality.  

How could anything about this be good news?

BAH!

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:

 The prosecution had asked for *60 years*. He'll have 3 years
 knocked off the 35 for time in custody and for mistreatment
 he received during his pretrial confinement.
 
 He'll be eligible for parole in a little over 8 years.
 
 Everything I've been reading suggested he'd be in prison for
 the rest of his life, so this seems to me to be very good news
 under the circumstances.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-21 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote:

 Thanks, Ann, I appreciate that, but as the whole kerfuffle
 had been sorted out before I chimed in, my post was
 unnecessary... well, except for the opportunity to suck up
 to Judy, of course...;-)

Oh, dear, you too? Tsk tsk...

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
  
   My apologies, Edg; I didn't realize I had lagged so far behind the 
   conversational front when I wrote this. I have been trying to delete it, 
   unsuccessfully, ever since...
  
  It's fine Rory, I like that fiery side you just showed us. Don't ever 
  apologize for a little righteous indignation, Edg'll be fine.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
   
Seriously, Edg? A broken personality? 

Between you and iranitea, I am beginning to think it is a full moon, or 
something :-)

(And as always, Judy, re the latter you astonish me with your patience, 
accuracy and fortitude...)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:

 Judy, Of all the stances you've taken, this one condemns you as a 
 broken personality.  
 
 How could anything about this be good news?
 
 BAH!
 
 Edg
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ 
 wrote:
 
  The prosecution had asked for *60 years*. He'll have 3 years
  knocked off the 35 for time in custody and for mistreatment
  he received during his pretrial confinement.
  
  He'll be eligible for parole in a little over 8 years.
  
  Everything I've been reading suggested he'd be in prison for
  the rest of his life, so this seems to me to be very good news
  under the circumstances.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
 
  Thanks, Ann, I appreciate that, but as the whole kerfuffle
  had been sorted out before I chimed in, my post was
  unnecessary... well, except for the opportunity to suck up
  to Judy, of course...;-)
 
 Oh, dear, you too? Tsk tsk...
 
Gotta be that full moon.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote:

 Thanks, Ann, I appreciate that, but as the whole kerfuffle had been sorted 
 out before I chimed in, my post was unnecessary... well, except for the 
 opportunity to suck up to Judy, of course...;-)

Ha, ha. Good one.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
  
   My apologies, Edg; I didn't realize I had lagged so far behind the 
   conversational front when I wrote this. I have been trying to delete it, 
   unsuccessfully, ever since...
  
  It's fine Rory, I like that fiery side you just showed us. Don't ever 
  apologize for a little righteous indignation, Edg'll be fine.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
   
Seriously, Edg? A broken personality? 

Between you and iranitea, I am beginning to think it is a full moon, or 
something :-)

(And as always, Judy, re the latter you astonish me with your patience, 
accuracy and fortitude...)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:

 Judy, Of all the stances you've taken, this one condemns you as a 
 broken personality.  
 
 How could anything about this be good news?
 
 BAH!
 
 Edg
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ 
 wrote:
 
  The prosecution had asked for *60 years*. He'll have 3 years
  knocked off the 35 for time in custody and for mistreatment
  he received during his pretrial confinement.
  
  He'll be eligible for parole in a little over 8 years.
  
  Everything I've been reading suggested he'd be in prison for
  the rest of his life, so this seems to me to be very good news
  under the circumstances.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
 
  Thanks, Ann, I appreciate that, but as the whole kerfuffle
  had been sorted out before I chimed in, my post was
  unnecessary... well, except for the opportunity to suck up
  to Judy, of course...;-)
 
 Oh, dear, you too? Tsk tsk...

Important Notice:
Judy has only ten toes. Rory, you get five and Iranatea gets five. Now don't 
fight boys.
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
   
My apologies, Edg; I didn't realize I had lagged so far behind the 
conversational front when I wrote this. I have been trying to delete 
it, unsuccessfully, ever since...
   
   It's fine Rory, I like that fiery side you just showed us. Don't ever 
   apologize for a little righteous indignation, Edg'll be fine.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:

 Seriously, Edg? A broken personality? 
 
 Between you and iranitea, I am beginning to think it is a full moon, 
 or something :-)
 
 (And as always, Judy, re the latter you astonish me with your 
 patience, accuracy and fortitude...)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Judy, Of all the stances you've taken, this one condemns you as a 
  broken personality.  
  
  How could anything about this be good news?
  
  BAH!
  
  Edg
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ 
  wrote:
  
   The prosecution had asked for *60 years*. He'll have 3 years
   knocked off the 35 for time in custody and for mistreatment
   he received during his pretrial confinement.
   
   He'll be eligible for parole in a little over 8 years.
   
   Everything I've been reading suggested he'd be in prison for
   the rest of his life, so this seems to me to be very good news
   under the circumstances.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-21 Thread obbajeeba



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
  
   Thanks, Ann, I appreciate that, but as the whole kerfuffle
   had been sorted out before I chimed in, my post was
   unnecessary... well, except for the opportunity to suck up
   to Judy, of course...;-)
  
  Oh, dear, you too? Tsk tsk...
 
 Important Notice:
 Judy has only ten toes. Rory, you get five and Iranatea gets five. Now don't 
 fight boys.
  
Thank you, Ann, for this above thought about toes, for me to dream on my pillow 
this evening. Sucking on Judy's toes.  I may be selfish, but I was hoping on 
more personal dreams to think about.
Judy, I am not apologizing to you for anything today. You do a fine job at 
keeping order around here and after reading some of your archiving finds today, 
I am truly amazed with your memory and abilities. Enjoy the ten toe sucking.  

   


   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:

 My apologies, Edg; I didn't realize I had lagged so far behind the 
 conversational front when I wrote this. I have been trying to delete 
 it, unsuccessfully, ever since...

It's fine Rory, I like that fiery side you just showed us. Don't ever 
apologize for a little righteous indignation, Edg'll be fine.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
 
  Seriously, Edg? A broken personality? 
  
  Between you and iranitea, I am beginning to think it is a full 
  moon, or something :-)
  
  (And as always, Judy, re the latter you astonish me with your 
  patience, accuracy and fortitude...)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Judy, Of all the stances you've taken, this one condemns you as a 
   broken personality.  
   
   How could anything about this be good news?
   
   BAH!
   
   Edg
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ 
   wrote:
   
The prosecution had asked for *60 years*. He'll have 3 years
knocked off the 35 for time in custody and for mistreatment
he received during his pretrial confinement.

He'll be eligible for parole in a little over 8 years.

Everything I've been reading suggested he'd be in prison for
the rest of his life, so this seems to me to be very good news
under the circumstances.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Hey, what kind of a crack is that? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
  
   Thanks, Ann, I appreciate that, but as the whole kerfuffle
   had been sorted out before I chimed in, my post was
   unnecessary... well, except for the opportunity to suck up
   to Judy, of course...;-)
  
  Oh, dear, you too? Tsk tsk...
  
 Gotta be that full moon.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Got jam?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
  
   Thanks, Ann, I appreciate that, but as the whole kerfuffle
   had been sorted out before I chimed in, my post was
   unnecessary... well, except for the opportunity to suck up
   to Judy, of course...;-)
  
  Oh, dear, you too? Tsk tsk...
 
 Important Notice:
 Judy has only ten toes. Rory, you get five and Iranatea gets five. Now don't 
 fight boys.
  
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:

 My apologies, Edg; I didn't realize I had lagged so far behind the 
 conversational front when I wrote this. I have been trying to delete 
 it, unsuccessfully, ever since...

It's fine Rory, I like that fiery side you just showed us. Don't ever 
apologize for a little righteous indignation, Edg'll be fine.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
 
  Seriously, Edg? A broken personality? 
  
  Between you and iranitea, I am beginning to think it is a full 
  moon, or something :-)
  
  (And as always, Judy, re the latter you astonish me with your 
  patience, accuracy and fortitude...)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Judy, Of all the stances you've taken, this one condemns you as a 
   broken personality.  
   
   How could anything about this be good news?
   
   BAH!
   
   Edg
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ 
   wrote:
   
The prosecution had asked for *60 years*. He'll have 3 years
knocked off the 35 for time in custody and for mistreatment
he received during his pretrial confinement.

He'll be eligible for parole in a little over 8 years.

Everything I've been reading suggested he'd be in prison for
the rest of his life, so this seems to me to be very good news
under the circumstances.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 Got jam?

Ewww, butt cracks and toe jam. What's next?
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
   
Thanks, Ann, I appreciate that, but as the whole kerfuffle
had been sorted out before I chimed in, my post was
unnecessary... well, except for the opportunity to suck up
to Judy, of course...;-)
   
   Oh, dear, you too? Tsk tsk...
  
  Important Notice:
  Judy has only ten toes. Rory, you get five and Iranatea gets five. Now 
  don't fight boys.
   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
 
  My apologies, Edg; I didn't realize I had lagged so far behind the 
  conversational front when I wrote this. I have been trying to 
  delete it, unsuccessfully, ever since...
 
 It's fine Rory, I like that fiery side you just showed us. Don't ever 
 apologize for a little righteous indignation, Edg'll be fine.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
  
   Seriously, Edg? A broken personality? 
   
   Between you and iranitea, I am beginning to think it is a full 
   moon, or something :-)
   
   (And as always, Judy, re the latter you astonish me with your 
   patience, accuracy and fortitude...)
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
   
Judy, Of all the stances you've taken, this one condemns you as 
a broken personality.  

How could anything about this be good news?

BAH!

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
authfriend@ wrote:

 The prosecution had asked for *60 years*. He'll have 3 years
 knocked off the 35 for time in custody and for mistreatment
 he received during his pretrial confinement.
 
 He'll be eligible for parole in a little over 8 years.
 
 Everything I've been reading suggested he'd be in prison for
 the rest of his life, so this seems to me to be very good news
 under the circumstances.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

It was a computer company started by Steve Jobs, when he got kicked out of 
Apple.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Got jam?
 
 Ewww, butt cracks and toe jam. What's next?
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:

 Thanks, Ann, I appreciate that, but as the whole kerfuffle
 had been sorted out before I chimed in, my post was
 unnecessary... well, except for the opportunity to suck up
 to Judy, of course...;-)

Oh, dear, you too? Tsk tsk...
   
   Important Notice:
   Judy has only ten toes. Rory, you get five and Iranatea gets five. Now 
   don't fight boys.

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
  
   My apologies, Edg; I didn't realize I had lagged so far behind 
   the conversational front when I wrote this. I have been trying to 
   delete it, unsuccessfully, ever since...
  
  It's fine Rory, I like that fiery side you just showed us. Don't 
  ever apologize for a little righteous indignation, Edg'll be fine.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ 
   wrote:
   
Seriously, Edg? A broken personality? 

Between you and iranitea, I am beginning to think it is a full 
moon, or something :-)

(And as always, Judy, re the latter you astonish me with your 
patience, accuracy and fortitude...)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ 
wrote:

 Judy, Of all the stances you've taken, this one condemns you 
 as a broken personality.  
 
 How could anything about this be good news?
 
 BAH!
 
 Edg
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
 authfriend@ wrote:
 
  The prosecution had asked for *60 years*. He'll have 3 years
  knocked off the 35 for time in custody and for mistreatment
  he received during his pretrial confinement.
  
  He'll be eligible for parole in a little over 8 years.
  
  Everything I've been reading suggested he'd be in prison for
  the rest of his life, so this seems to me to be very good 
  news
  under the circumstances.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

I should warn you Ann, due to all the lunar activity, my body has been taken 
over, by an entity, called, Smarty Pants. Please keep that in mind as we 
continue this conversation...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 It was a computer company started by Steve Jobs, when he got kicked out of 
 Apple.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Got jam?
  
  Ewww, butt cracks and toe jam. What's next?
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
 
  Thanks, Ann, I appreciate that, but as the whole kerfuffle
  had been sorted out before I chimed in, my post was
  unnecessary... well, except for the opportunity to suck up
  to Judy, of course...;-)
 
 Oh, dear, you too? Tsk tsk...

Important Notice:
Judy has only ten toes. Rory, you get five and Iranatea gets five. Now 
don't fight boys.
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ 
   wrote:
   
My apologies, Edg; I didn't realize I had lagged so far behind 
the conversational front when I wrote this. I have been trying 
to delete it, unsuccessfully, ever since...
   
   It's fine Rory, I like that fiery side you just showed us. Don't 
   ever apologize for a little righteous indignation, Edg'll be fine.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ 
wrote:

 Seriously, Edg? A broken personality? 
 
 Between you and iranitea, I am beginning to think it is a 
 full moon, or something :-)
 
 (And as always, Judy, re the latter you astonish me with your 
 patience, accuracy and fortitude...)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  Judy, Of all the stances you've taken, this one condemns 
  you as a broken personality.  
  
  How could anything about this be good news?
  
  BAH!
  
  Edg
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
  authfriend@ wrote:
  
   The prosecution had asked for *60 years*. He'll have 3 
   years
   knocked off the 35 for time in custody and for 
   mistreatment
   he received during his pretrial confinement.
   
   He'll be eligible for parole in a little over 8 years.
   
   Everything I've been reading suggested he'd be in prison 
   for
   the rest of his life, so this seems to me to be very good 
   news
   under the circumstances.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

LOL - kerfuffle.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote:

 Thanks, Ann, I appreciate that, but as the whole kerfuffle had been sorted 
 out before I chimed in, my post was unnecessary... well, except for the 
 opportunity to suck up to Judy, of course...;-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
  
   My apologies, Edg; I didn't realize I had lagged so far behind the 
   conversational front when I wrote this. I have been trying to delete it, 
   unsuccessfully, ever since...
  
  It's fine Rory, I like that fiery side you just showed us. Don't ever 
  apologize for a little righteous indignation, Edg'll be fine.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
   
Seriously, Edg? A broken personality? 

Between you and iranitea, I am beginning to think it is a full moon, or 
something :-)

(And as always, Judy, re the latter you astonish me with your patience, 
accuracy and fortitude...)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:

 Judy, Of all the stances you've taken, this one condemns you as a 
 broken personality.  
 
 How could anything about this be good news?
 
 BAH!
 
 Edg
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ 
 wrote:
 
  The prosecution had asked for *60 years*. He'll have 3 years
  knocked off the 35 for time in custody and for mistreatment
  he received during his pretrial confinement.
  
  He'll be eligible for parole in a little over 8 years.
  
  Everything I've been reading suggested he'd be in prison for
  the rest of his life, so this seems to me to be very good news
  under the circumstances.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:

 Important Notice:
 Judy has only ten toes. Rory, you get five and Iranatea gets five. Now don't 
 fight boys.

:-D

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Ha! I assumed someone might assess the situation and rear up with some base 
pun, butt I thought you were on the glute-free diet, Jim :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 Hey, what kind of a crack is that? 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
   
Thanks, Ann, I appreciate that, but as the whole kerfuffle
had been sorted out before I chimed in, my post was
unnecessary... well, except for the opportunity to suck up
to Judy, of course...;-)
   
   Oh, dear, you too? Tsk tsk...
   
  Gotta be that full moon.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

Glutes are OK, but, yes, no longer a fat-ass, a brief and uncomfortable 
journey!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote:

 Ha! I assumed someone might assess the situation and rear up with some base 
 pun, butt I thought you were on the glute-free diet, Jim :-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Hey, what kind of a crack is that? 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:

 Thanks, Ann, I appreciate that, but as the whole kerfuffle
 had been sorted out before I chimed in, my post was
 unnecessary... well, except for the opportunity to suck up
 to Judy, of course...;-)

Oh, dear, you too? Tsk tsk...

   Gotta be that full moon.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

2013-08-21 Thread obbajeeba

Lunar activity causing pressure to the fluid bodies, so your Smarty Pants, 
may well be Farty Pants with steamers. There, your missing crack joke. :)  
Farty Pant Steamers with cracks and toe jams.  Tea?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 I should warn you Ann, due to all the lunar activity, my body has been taken 
 over, by an entity, called, Smarty Pants. Please keep that in mind as we 
 continue this conversation...
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  It was a computer company started by Steve Jobs, when he got kicked out of 
  Apple.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
   
Got jam?
   
   Ewww, butt cracks and toe jam. What's next?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
  
   Thanks, Ann, I appreciate that, but as the whole kerfuffle
   had been sorted out before I chimed in, my post was
   unnecessary... well, except for the opportunity to suck up
   to Judy, of course...;-)
  
  Oh, dear, you too? Tsk tsk...
 
 Important Notice:
 Judy has only ten toes. Rory, you get five and Iranatea gets five. 
 Now don't fight boys.
  
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ 
wrote:

 My apologies, Edg; I didn't realize I had lagged so far 
 behind the conversational front when I wrote this. I have 
 been trying to delete it, unsuccessfully, ever since...

It's fine Rory, I like that fiery side you just showed us. 
Don't ever apologize for a little righteous indignation, Edg'll 
be fine.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ 
 wrote:
 
  Seriously, Edg? A broken personality? 
  
  Between you and iranitea, I am beginning to think it is a 
  full moon, or something :-)
  
  (And as always, Judy, re the latter you astonish me with 
  your patience, accuracy and fortitude...)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   Judy, Of all the stances you've taken, this one condemns 
   you as a broken personality.  
   
   How could anything about this be good news?
   
   BAH!
   
   Edg
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
   authfriend@ wrote:
   
The prosecution had asked for *60 years*. He'll have 3 
years
knocked off the 35 for time in custody and for 
mistreatment
he received during his pretrial confinement.

He'll be eligible for parole in a little over 8 years.

Everything I've been reading suggested he'd be in 
prison for
the rest of his life, so this seems to me to be very 
good news
under the circumstances.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years