[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
> > Woah! Since when did the Big Bopper stop going to > > the Domes? He was always there when I was, making > > announcements just before program and all that. > > > They let you into the dome - for what purpose? > > mjackson74: > So I could make fun of Bevan. In those days the > entrance requirements were pretty lax, > So, what's your point? You failed to fly in the dome, but it has already been established that people can levitate - it's just that you can't - why not? Are you calling Barry a liar? > I bet you could have gotten in too if you had begged > real nice. > How much would you be willing to wager?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
So I could make fun of Bevan. In those days the entrance requirements were pretty lax, I bet you could have gotten in too if you had begged real nice. From: Richard J. Williams To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 10:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield mjackson74: > Woah! Since when did the Big Bopper stop going to > the Domes? He was always there when I was, making > announcements just before program and all that. > They let you into the dome - for what purpose? > Yeah so, this is all a POV. And in the TM anti-saint meantime the movement > went away and we can't git no critical mass for the ME. > Heck Bevan does not even meditate in the Dome. > -Buck > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > > > "Psycho-phant" > > > > From the Greek phantês (one who shows). > > > > In this case, one who does not show "Psyche, > > the Greek goddess, but rather the English Psycho - > > confusion or even derangement. > > > > An appropriate term. To get a sense just how insular > > the TMO is ... even A.C. Bhaktivedanta advised his students > > traveling to India to get out and get around ... to visit other > > systems/gurus to begin to recognize the similarities and > > variances between systems of practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote: > > > > > > > > The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of > > > > US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to > > > > prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths > > > > was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. > > > > > > I like "psychophants." :-) And while I may disagree with > > > your use of the word "truths" to describe that which they > > > might have found by meeting other teachers, I completely > > > agree that it was Maharishi who tried desperately to keep > > > them from ever meeting them. From Day One of meeting him > > > he put down other teachers and traditions, and created > > > a sense of "sin" or "wrongdoing" in anyone who wanted > > > *to* meet them. It was *very* much the same vibe as > > > women who go berserk if their boyfriend or husband even > > > *looks* at another woman -- jealousy. > > > > > > Maharishi wanted "spiritual virgins" who had no one else > > > to compare him with. And with reason. > > > > > > > For years, people traveling to India could (and did) explore other > > > > practices. In India it was even recommended by other gurus so that > > > > their followers could get a bearing on the ideas and praxis that > > > > were significant to their sampradaya. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nabby, the truth is that the no saint policy came directly from > > MMY. > > > > It was his very own and clear directive all along. It may be that a > > > > decision will be made to loosen up on that policy. But as far as I > > know, > > > > the entire movement is functioning under that same rule. Anything > > > > otherwise is considered OTP, altho no one in other countries may > > know > > > > about other saints or care so much as in the US. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Prime Minister in this problem with the saints has created > > the > > > > movement culture of an underground of meditators. He makes it very > > > > difficult for there to be success in the ME of meditation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Buck, are you on Facebook ? Seek out Anamay Ashram, all Vedic, > > run > > > > by Governors. They just had a visit from a Saint. Very cosy and > > private. > > > > He was very pleased with the progress there and gave his blessings. > > > > > > > > > > > > You must understand that the no-saint-policy is stritcly an > > american > > > > policy and is hardly observed anywhere else, if at all. Just go with > > the > > > > flow or emigrate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
mjackson74: > Woah! Since when did the Big Bopper stop going to > the Domes? He was always there when I was, making > announcements just before program and all that. > They let you into the dome - for what purpose? > Yeah so, this is all a POV. And in the TM anti-saint meantime the movement > went away and we can't git no critical mass for the ME. > Heck Bevan does not even meditate in the Dome. > -Buck > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > > > "Psycho-phant" > > > > From the Greek phantês (one who shows). > > > > In this case, one who does not show "Psyche, > > the Greek goddess, but rather the English Psycho - > > confusion or even derangement. > > > > An appropriate term. To get a sense just how insular > > the TMO is ... even A.C. Bhaktivedanta advised his students > > traveling to India to get out and get around ... to visit other > > systems/gurus to begin to recognize the similarities and > > variances between systems of practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote: > > > > > > > > The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of > > > > US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to > > > > prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths > > > > was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. > > > > > > I like "psychophants." :-) And while I may disagree with > > > your use of the word "truths" to describe that which they > > > might have found by meeting other teachers, I completely > > > agree that it was Maharishi who tried desperately to keep > > > them from ever meeting them. From Day One of meeting him > > > he put down other teachers and traditions, and created > > > a sense of "sin" or "wrongdoing" in anyone who wanted > > > *to* meet them. It was *very* much the same vibe as > > > women who go berserk if their boyfriend or husband even > > > *looks* at another woman -- jealousy. > > > > > > Maharishi wanted "spiritual virgins" who had no one else > > > to compare him with. And with reason. > > > > > > > For years, people traveling to India could (and did) explore other > > > > practices. In India it was even recommended by other gurus so that > > > > their followers could get a bearing on the ideas and praxis that > > > > were significant to their sampradaya. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nabby, the truth is that the no saint policy came directly from > > MMY. > > > > It was his very own and clear directive all along. It may be that a > > > > decision will be made to loosen up on that policy. But as far as I > > know, > > > > the entire movement is functioning under that same rule. Anything > > > > otherwise is considered OTP, altho no one in other countries may > > know > > > > about other saints or care so much as in the US. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Prime Minister in this problem with the saints has created > > the > > > > movement culture of an underground of meditators. He makes it very > > > > difficult for there to be success in the ME of meditation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Buck, are you on Facebook ? Seek out Anamay Ashram, all Vedic, > > run > > > > by Governors. They just had a visit from a Saint. Very cosy and > > private. > > > > He was very pleased with the progress there and gave his blessings. > > > > > > > > > > > > You must understand that the no-saint-policy is stritcly an > > american > > > > policy and is hardly observed anywhere else, if at all. Just go with > > the > > > > flow or emigrate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
There was a Minister of the Age of Enlightenment training course at one time. I knew a woman from SC who took it - by coincidence she still stands out as one of the most unprincipled awful human beings I have ever known and is as far as I know still living in Farifield. Her unpleasant personality was innate and had nothing to do with the Minister Training course. The Minister thing didn't last long - dunno why. The hierarchy used to be: Meditator Citizen Sidha Initiator Governor Executive Governor Minister From: sparaig To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 12:29 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield Wasn't there an post-TM-Sidhis course for governors called the "minister's course" or something? I thought that those who had taken that course were no longer publicly participating in the dome activities. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > Yeah so, this is all a POV. And in the TM anti-saint meantime the movement > went away and we can't git no critical mass for the ME. > Heck Bevan does not even meditate in the Dome. > -Buck > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > > > "Psycho-phant" > > > > From the Greek phant�s (one who shows). > > > > In this case, one who does not show "Psyche, > > the Greek goddess, but rather the English Psycho - > > confusion or even derangement. > > > > An appropriate term. To get a sense just how insular > > the TMO is ... even A.C. Bhaktivedanta advised his students > > traveling to India to get out and get around ... to visit other > > systems/gurus to begin to recognize the similarities and > > variances between systems of practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote: > > > > > > > > The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of > > > > US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to > > > > prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths > > > > was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. > > > > > > I like "psychophants." :-) And while I may disagree with > > > your use of the word "truths" to describe that which they > > > might have found by meeting other teachers, I completely > > > agree that it was Maharishi who tried desperately to keep > > > them from ever meeting them. From Day One of meeting him > > > he put down other teachers and traditions, and created > > > a sense of "sin" or "wrongdoing" in anyone who wanted > > > *to* meet them. It was *very* much the same vibe as > > > women who go berserk if their boyfriend or husband even > > > *looks* at another woman -- jealousy. > > > > > > Maharishi wanted "spiritual virgins" who had no one else > > > to compare him with. And with reason. > > > > > > > For years, people traveling to India could (and did) explore other > > > > practices. In India it was even recommended by other gurus so that > > > > their followers could get a bearing on the ideas and praxis that > > > > were significant to their sampradaya. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nabby, the truth is that the no saint policy came directly from > > MMY. > > > > It was his very own and clear directive all along. It may be that a > > > > decision will be made to loosen up on that policy. But as far as I > > know, > > > > the entire movement is functioning under that same rule. Anything > > > > otherwise is considered OTP, altho no one in other countries may > > know > > > > about other saints or care so much as in the US. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Prime Minister in this problem with the saints has created > > the > > > > movement culture of an underground of meditators. He makes it very > > > > difficult for there to be success in the ME of meditation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Buck, are you on Facebook ? Seek out Anamay Ashram, all Vedic, > > run > > > > by Governors. They just had a visit from a Saint. Very cosy and > > private. > > > > He was very pleased with the progress there and gave his blessings. > > > > > > > > > > > > You must understand that the no-saint-policy is stritcly an > > american > > > > policy and is hardly observed anywhere else, if at all. Just go with > > the > > > > flow or emigrate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
Woah! Since when did the Big Bopper stop going to the Domes? He was always there when I was, making announcements just before program and all that. From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 11:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield Yeah so, this is all a POV. And in the TM anti-saint meantime the movement went away and we can't git no critical mass for the ME. Heck Bevan does not even meditate in the Dome. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > "Psycho-phant" > > From the Greek phantês (one who shows). > > In this case, one who does not show "Psyche, > the Greek goddess, but rather the English Psycho - > confusion or even derangement. > > An appropriate term. To get a sense just how insular > the TMO is ... even A.C. Bhaktivedanta advised his students > traveling to India to get out and get around ... to visit other > systems/gurus to begin to recognize the similarities and > variances between systems of practice. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote: > > > > > > The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of > > > US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to > > > prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths > > > was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. > > > > I like "psychophants." :-) And while I may disagree with > > your use of the word "truths" to describe that which they > > might have found by meeting other teachers, I completely > > agree that it was Maharishi who tried desperately to keep > > them from ever meeting them. From Day One of meeting him > > he put down other teachers and traditions, and created > > a sense of "sin" or "wrongdoing" in anyone who wanted > > *to* meet them. It was *very* much the same vibe as > > women who go berserk if their boyfriend or husband even > > *looks* at another woman -- jealousy. > > > > Maharishi wanted "spiritual virgins" who had no one else > > to compare him with. And with reason. > > > > > For years, people traveling to India could (and did) explore other > > > practices. In India it was even recommended by other gurus so that > > > their followers could get a bearing on the ideas and praxis that > > > were significant to their sampradaya. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > Nabby, the truth is that the no saint policy came directly from > MMY. > > > It was his very own and clear directive all along. It may be that a > > > decision will be made to loosen up on that policy. But as far as I > know, > > > the entire movement is functioning under that same rule. Anything > > > otherwise is considered OTP, altho no one in other countries may > know > > > about other saints or care so much as in the US. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The Prime Minister in this problem with the saints has created > the > > > movement culture of an underground of meditators. He makes it very > > > difficult for there to be success in the ME of meditation. > > > > > > > > > > Buck, are you on Facebook ? Seek out Anamay Ashram, all Vedic, > run > > > by Governors. They just had a visit from a Saint. Very cosy and > private. > > > He was very pleased with the progress there and gave his blessings. > > > > > > > > > > You must understand that the no-saint-policy is stritcly an > american > > > policy and is hardly observed anywhere else, if at all. Just go with > the > > > flow or emigrate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
Wasn't there an post-TM-Sidhis course for governors called the "minister's course" or something? I thought that those who had taken that course were no longer publicly participating in the dome activities. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > Yeah so, this is all a POV. And in the TM anti-saint meantime the movement > went away and we can't git no critical mass for the ME. > Heck Bevan does not even meditate in the Dome. > -Buck > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > > > "Psycho-phant" > > > > From the Greek phant�s (one who shows). > > > > In this case, one who does not show "Psyche, > > the Greek goddess, but rather the English Psycho - > > confusion or even derangement. > > > > An appropriate term. To get a sense just how insular > > the TMO is ... even A.C. Bhaktivedanta advised his students > > traveling to India to get out and get around ... to visit other > > systems/gurus to begin to recognize the similarities and > > variances between systems of practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote: > > > > > > > > The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of > > > > US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to > > > > prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths > > > > was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. > > > > > > I like "psychophants." :-) And while I may disagree with > > > your use of the word "truths" to describe that which they > > > might have found by meeting other teachers, I completely > > > agree that it was Maharishi who tried desperately to keep > > > them from ever meeting them. From Day One of meeting him > > > he put down other teachers and traditions, and created > > > a sense of "sin" or "wrongdoing" in anyone who wanted > > > *to* meet them. It was *very* much the same vibe as > > > women who go berserk if their boyfriend or husband even > > > *looks* at another woman -- jealousy. > > > > > > Maharishi wanted "spiritual virgins" who had no one else > > > to compare him with. And with reason. > > > > > > > For years, people traveling to India could (and did) explore other > > > > practices. In India it was even recommended by other gurus so that > > > > their followers could get a bearing on the ideas and praxis that > > > > were significant to their sampradaya. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nabby, the truth is that the no saint policy came directly from > > MMY. > > > > It was his very own and clear directive all along. It may be that a > > > > decision will be made to loosen up on that policy. But as far as I > > know, > > > > the entire movement is functioning under that same rule. Anything > > > > otherwise is considered OTP, altho no one in other countries may > > know > > > > about other saints or care so much as in the US. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Prime Minister in this problem with the saints has created > > the > > > > movement culture of an underground of meditators. He makes it very > > > > difficult for there to be success in the ME of meditation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Buck, are you on Facebook ? Seek out Anamay Ashram, all Vedic, > > run > > > > by Governors. They just had a visit from a Saint. Very cosy and > > private. > > > > He was very pleased with the progress there and gave his blessings. > > > > > > > > > > > > You must understand that the no-saint-policy is stritcly an > > american > > > > policy and is hardly observed anywhere else, if at all. Just go with > > the > > > > flow or emigrate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
Any of you old meditators returning thinking of applying for a summer meditation course proly ought to clear up your internet social media. Looking for fugitive meditators, the course office people do look at that kind of thing in the application process. You know, looking for saint-seers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg > > Yeah so, this is all a POV. And in the TM anti-saint meantime the movement > went away and we can't git no critical mass for the ME. > Heck Bevan does not even meditate in the Dome. > -Buck > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > > > "Psycho-phant" > > > > From the Greek phantês (one who shows). > > > > In this case, one who does not show "Psyche, > > the Greek goddess, but rather the English Psycho - > > confusion or even derangement. > > > > An appropriate term. To get a sense just how insular > > the TMO is ... even A.C. Bhaktivedanta advised his students > > traveling to India to get out and get around ... to visit other > > systems/gurus to begin to recognize the similarities and > > variances between systems of practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote: > > > > > > > > The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of > > > > US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to > > > > prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths > > > > was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. > > > > > > I like "psychophants." :-) And while I may disagree with > > > your use of the word "truths" to describe that which they > > > might have found by meeting other teachers, I completely > > > agree that it was Maharishi who tried desperately to keep > > > them from ever meeting them. From Day One of meeting him > > > he put down other teachers and traditions, and created > > > a sense of "sin" or "wrongdoing" in anyone who wanted > > > *to* meet them. It was *very* much the same vibe as > > > women who go berserk if their boyfriend or husband even > > > *looks* at another woman -- jealousy. > > > > > > Maharishi wanted "spiritual virgins" who had no one else > > > to compare him with. And with reason. > > > > > > > For years, people traveling to India could (and did) explore other > > > > practices. In India it was even recommended by other gurus so that > > > > their followers could get a bearing on the ideas and praxis that > > > > were significant to their sampradaya. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nabby, the truth is that the no saint policy came directly from > > MMY. > > > > It was his very own and clear directive all along. It may be that a > > > > decision will be made to loosen up on that policy. But as far as I > > know, > > > > the entire movement is functioning under that same rule. Anything > > > > otherwise is considered OTP, altho no one in other countries may > > know > > > > about other saints or care so much as in the US. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Prime Minister in this problem with the saints has created > > the > > > > movement culture of an underground of meditators. He makes it very > > > > difficult for there to be success in the ME of meditation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Buck, are you on Facebook ? Seek out Anamay Ashram, all Vedic, > > run > > > > by Governors. They just had a visit from a Saint. Very cosy and > > private. > > > > He was very pleased with the progress there and gave his blessings. > > > > > > > > > > > > You must understand that the no-saint-policy is stritcly an > > american > > > > policy and is hardly observed anywhere else, if at all. Just go with > > the > > > > flow or emigrate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
Yeah so, this is all a POV. And in the TM anti-saint meantime the movement went away and we can't git no critical mass for the ME. Heck Bevan does not even meditate in the Dome. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > "Psycho-phant" > > From the Greek phantês (one who shows). > > In this case, one who does not show "Psyche, > the Greek goddess, but rather the English Psycho - > confusion or even derangement. > > An appropriate term. To get a sense just how insular > the TMO is ... even A.C. Bhaktivedanta advised his students > traveling to India to get out and get around ... to visit other > systems/gurus to begin to recognize the similarities and > variances between systems of practice. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote: > > > > > > The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of > > > US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to > > > prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths > > > was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. > > > > I like "psychophants." :-) And while I may disagree with > > your use of the word "truths" to describe that which they > > might have found by meeting other teachers, I completely > > agree that it was Maharishi who tried desperately to keep > > them from ever meeting them. From Day One of meeting him > > he put down other teachers and traditions, and created > > a sense of "sin" or "wrongdoing" in anyone who wanted > > *to* meet them. It was *very* much the same vibe as > > women who go berserk if their boyfriend or husband even > > *looks* at another woman -- jealousy. > > > > Maharishi wanted "spiritual virgins" who had no one else > > to compare him with. And with reason. > > > > > For years, people traveling to India could (and did) explore other > > > practices. In India it was even recommended by other gurus so that > > > their followers could get a bearing on the ideas and praxis that > > > were significant to their sampradaya. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > Nabby, the truth is that the no saint policy came directly from > MMY. > > > It was his very own and clear directive all along. It may be that a > > > decision will be made to loosen up on that policy. But as far as I > know, > > > the entire movement is functioning under that same rule. Anything > > > otherwise is considered OTP, altho no one in other countries may > know > > > about other saints or care so much as in the US. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The Prime Minister in this problem with the saints has created > the > > > movement culture of an underground of meditators. He makes it very > > > difficult for there to be success in the ME of meditation. > > > > > > > > > > Buck, are you on Facebook ? Seek out Anamay Ashram, all Vedic, > run > > > by Governors. They just had a visit from a Saint. Very cosy and > private. > > > He was very pleased with the progress there and gave his blessings. > > > > > > > > > > You must understand that the no-saint-policy is stritcly an > american > > > policy and is hardly observed anywhere else, if at all. Just go with > the > > > flow or emigrate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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"Psycho-phant" >From the Greek phantês (one who shows). In this case, one who does not show "Psyche, the Greek goddess, but rather the English Psycho - confusion or even derangement. An appropriate term. To get a sense just how insular the TMO is ... even A.C. Bhaktivedanta advised his students traveling to India to get out and get around ... to visit other systems/gurus to begin to recognize the similarities and variances between systems of practice. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote: > > > > The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of > > US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to > > prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths > > was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. > > I like "psychophants." :-) And while I may disagree with > your use of the word "truths" to describe that which they > might have found by meeting other teachers, I completely > agree that it was Maharishi who tried desperately to keep > them from ever meeting them. From Day One of meeting him > he put down other teachers and traditions, and created > a sense of "sin" or "wrongdoing" in anyone who wanted > *to* meet them. It was *very* much the same vibe as > women who go berserk if their boyfriend or husband even > *looks* at another woman -- jealousy. > > Maharishi wanted "spiritual virgins" who had no one else > to compare him with. And with reason. > > > For years, people traveling to India could (and did) explore other > > practices. In India it was even recommended by other gurus so that > > their followers could get a bearing on the ideas and praxis that > > were significant to their sampradaya. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > Nabby, the truth is that the no saint policy came directly from MMY. > > It was his very own and clear directive all along. It may be that a > > decision will be made to loosen up on that policy. But as far as I know, > > the entire movement is functioning under that same rule. Anything > > otherwise is considered OTP, altho no one in other countries may know > > about other saints or care so much as in the US. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > The Prime Minister in this problem with the saints has created the > > movement culture of an underground of meditators. He makes it very > > difficult for there to be success in the ME of meditation. > > > > > > > > Buck, are you on Facebook ? Seek out Anamay Ashram, all Vedic, run > > by Governors. They just had a visit from a Saint. Very cosy and private. > > He was very pleased with the progress there and gave his blessings. > > > > > > > > You must understand that the no-saint-policy is stritcly an american > > policy and is hardly observed anywhere else, if at all. Just go with the > > flow or emigrate. > > > > > > > > > >
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Right. You do understand what I'm getting at with regard to Barry's post, though, right? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > I think Barry became a teacher about when I did. And from the very early70's > MMY made it clear that you could not be a teacher of TM in good standing and > go and see or visit another saint or teacher. HE did bring one or 2 to > Switerland in the mid or early 70's, and everyone was rather surprised, But > it a TM teacher was seen at another teacher's ashram or lecture, it was > likely to result in being black balled from future courses. The visitng > saints when TTC was eld in India in the 1960's are a different time. Iw as > not there and have no idea what MMYs attitude was then. But by 1970 or so, it > was as I have stated, and Barry too. The siddhis came out in 1976 and 1977. > the no saints policy was written in stone by that time. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > It is true he did have his followers rub elbows with a few > > > other "saints" but that was early in the Movement - by the > > > time the sidhis came out in the 70's that was all over with. > > > > Ah. But Barry was already a teacher by the time the > > TM-Sidhis came out. Yet he says: > > > > "From Day One of meeting him [Maharishi]...created a > > sense of 'sin' or 'wrongdoing' in anyone who wanted > > *to* meet them." > > > > > > > > > From: authfriend > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:12 AM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors > > > Assembly at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of > > > > > US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to > > > > > prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths > > > > > was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. > > > > > > > > I like "psychophants." :-) And while I may disagree with > > > > your use of the word "truths" to describe that which they > > > > might have found by meeting other teachers, I completely > > > > agree that it was Maharishi who tried desperately to keep > > > > them from ever meeting them. From Day One of meeting him > > > > he put down other teachers and traditions, and created > > > > a sense of "sin" or "wrongdoing" in anyone who wanted > > > > *to* meet them. It was *very* much the same vibe as > > > > women who go berserk if their boyfriend or husband even > > > > *looks* at another woman -- jealousy. > > > > > > (Of course, no *man* ever goes berserk with jealousy > > > if his girlfriend or wife looks at another man.) > > > > > > From what I understand, it isn't true that Maharishi > > > kept people from seeing other teachers. There are any > > > number of stories, some of which have been told here, > > > about Maharishi *arranging* meetings with various saints, > > > including Muktananda, Tat Walla Baba, Anandamayi Ma, and > > > others. There are even group photographs of the > > > gatherings. > > > > > >
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I think Barry became a teacher about when I did. And from the very early70's MMY made it clear that you could not be a teacher of TM in good standing and go and see or visit another saint or teacher. HE did bring one or 2 to Switerland in the mid or early 70's, and everyone was rather surprised, But it a TM teacher was seen at another teacher's ashram or lecture, it was likely to result in being black balled from future courses. The visitng saints when TTC was eld in India in the 1960's are a different time. Iw as not there and have no idea what MMYs attitude was then. But by 1970 or so, it was as I have stated, and Barry too. The siddhis came out in 1976 and 1977. the no saints policy was written in stone by that time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > It is true he did have his followers rub elbows with a few > > other "saints" but that was early in the Movement - by the > > time the sidhis came out in the 70's that was all over with. > > Ah. But Barry was already a teacher by the time the > TM-Sidhis came out. Yet he says: > > "From Day One of meeting him [Maharishi]...created a > sense of 'sin' or 'wrongdoing' in anyone who wanted > *to* meet them." > > > > > From: authfriend > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:12 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly > > at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > Â > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > > > > > > > The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of > > > > US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to > > > > prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths > > > > was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. > > > > > > I like "psychophants." :-) And while I may disagree with > > > your use of the word "truths" to describe that which they > > > might have found by meeting other teachers, I completely > > > agree that it was Maharishi who tried desperately to keep > > > them from ever meeting them. From Day One of meeting him > > > he put down other teachers and traditions, and created > > > a sense of "sin" or "wrongdoing" in anyone who wanted > > > *to* meet them. It was *very* much the same vibe as > > > women who go berserk if their boyfriend or husband even > > > *looks* at another woman -- jealousy. > > > > (Of course, no *man* ever goes berserk with jealousy > > if his girlfriend or wife looks at another man.) > > > > From what I understand, it isn't true that Maharishi > > kept people from seeing other teachers. There are any > > number of stories, some of which have been told here, > > about Maharishi *arranging* meetings with various saints, > > including Muktananda, Tat Walla Baba, Anandamayi Ma, and > > others. There are even group photographs of the > > gatherings. > > >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > is it beyond the realm of possibility that Marshy began that > > > practice BEFORE Barry became a teacher > > > > Well, we don't know, do we? I find it a little strange, > > after all the stories that have been told here, that Barry > > would report on Maharishi's attitude as if it had *always* > > been the case. > > It *was* always the case, at least as soon as 1967, > when I first saw him. He spent an entirely-too-long > portion of that first public lecture putting down > other teachers of meditation and other traditions. But it wasn't "always the case" that he "created a sense of 'sin' or 'wrongdoing' in anyone who wanted *to* meet them" if he was, as you go on to acknowledge, arranging meetings with them. > This trend continued at Squaw Valley in 1968, and > *all the way through* my involvement with him, and > with the TMO. As Mike (I think) has suggested, the > "competing" teachers he arranged meetings with > either didn't speak English, or he was sure that > they wouldn't embarrass him in front of his students > during the meetings themselves. I have a good friend > who attended the meeting with Muktananda, but "from > the other side." He was a Muktananda student at the > time, and so got to hear what Muktananda said about > Maharishi when they got back to *their* ashram. > Suffice it to say it was not complimentary. I was > not there for the "TM version," but I'd be willing > to bet it was equally non-complimentary. (snip) > It is *also* good to remember that back in 1968, in > Squaw Valley, he gave several impassioned lectures > about the *evils* of studying the siddhis, or even > *wanting* to. He spent at least half an hour telling > people that this was the worst thing they could do > for their spiritual progress, and how BAD it would > be for them. At the time, he phrased his denunciations > in terms of the buzz-phrase du jour, "Capture the fort." > > But only a few years later, when he realized that he > could make money by selling them, not only were the > siddhis OK, they were the best thing since sliced > bread. This interpretation doesn't impress me in the slightest. Given that he didn't want folks involving themselves with other teachings and practices while they were doing TM, of course he wouldn't approve of people going out on their own to seek instruction in the siddhis, which have always had a reputation for being dangerous to one's spiritual development. Obviously somewhere along the line he had the idea that if the siddhis were taught properly, the practice could have great benefits without the dangers--"properly" in this case meaning integrated with TM and according to the overall principles of what he taught, the point being not to acquire superpowers for their own sake but to facilitate progress toward enlightenment. And he went on to design a system for teaching the siddhis that met those criteria. In that context, the practice *was* a means to "capture the fort." And no, I don't believe for an instant that his *sole* reason for the TM-Sidhis program was to make money. It may have been a secondary motivation, but he believed the program would be of significant benefit to its practitioners. > > > > > > > From: authfriend > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 12:57 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors > > > Assembly at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > > > It is true he did have his followers rub elbows with a few > > > > other "saints" but that was early in the Movement - by the > > > > time the sidhis came out in the 70's that was all over with. > > > > > > Ah. But Barry was already a teacher by the time the > > > TM-Sidhis came out. Yet he says: > > > > > > "From Day One of meeting him [Maharishi]...created a > > > sense of 'sin' or 'wrongdoing' in anyone who wanted > > > *to* meet them." > > > > > > > From: authfriend > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:12 AM > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > is it beyond the realm of possibility that Marshy began that > > practice BEFORE Barry became a teacher > > Well, we don't know, do we? I find it a little strange, > after all the stories that have been told here, that Barry > would report on Maharishi's attitude as if it had *always* > been the case. It *was* always the case, at least as soon as 1967, when I first saw him. He spent an entirely-too-long portion of that first public lecture putting down other teachers of meditation and other traditions. This trend continued at Squaw Valley in 1968, and *all the way through* my involvement with him, and with the TMO. As Mike (I think) has suggested, the "competing" teachers he arranged meetings with either didn't speak English, or he was sure that they wouldn't embarrass him in front of his students during the meetings themselves. I have a good friend who attended the meeting with Muktananda, but "from the other side." He was a Muktananda student at the time, and so got to hear what Muktananda said about Maharishi when they got back to *their* ashram. Suffice it to say it was not complimentary. I was not there for the "TM version," but I'd be willing to bet it was equally non-complimentary. The worst part of Maharishi's tendency to badrap teachers and traditions he saw as "competing" with TM was that most of them were based on total ignorance. He once (at Squaw Valley) launched into a long diatribe against one practice, listing all the "bad" things it did, until one person got up and said that she had studied in that tradition for some years, and that *none* of what Maharishi had said about it and its practices was true. He backpedaled furiously and said something like, "Well, that's what I was told." MOST of what he said about other teachers and other traditions was based on "what he was told." Or what he made up. He was *remarkably* ignorant of other practices, and *proud* of being ignorant. In his mind (I suspect) there was simply no *need* to investigate any of these other techniques or traditions, because they couldn't *possibly* be as good as TM. It is *also* good to remember that back in 1968, in Squaw Valley, he gave several impassioned lectures about the *evils* of studying the siddhis, or even *wanting* to. He spent at least half an hour telling people that this was the worst thing they could do for their spiritual progress, and how BAD it would be for them. At the time, he phrased his denunciations in terms of the buzz-phrase du jour, "Capture the fort." But only a few years later, when he realized that he could make money by selling them, not only were the siddhis OK, they were the best thing since sliced bread. > > ____________ > > From: authfriend > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 12:57 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly > > at MUM Fairfield > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > It is true he did have his followers rub elbows with a few > > > other "saints" but that was early in the Movement - by the > > > time the sidhis came out in the 70's that was all over with. > > > > Ah. But Barry was already a teacher by the time the > > TM-Sidhis came out. Yet he says: > > > > "From Day One of meeting him [Maharishi]...created a > > sense of 'sin' or 'wrongdoing' in anyone who wanted > > *to* meet them." > > > > > From: authfriend > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:12 AM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors > > > Assembly at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of > > > > > US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to > > > > > prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths > > > > > was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. > > > > > > > > I like "psychophants." :-) And while I may disagree with > > > > your use of the word "truths" to describe that which they > > > > m
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > Judy, M didn't want us going out to meet other saints but > if he brought the saint to meet us , that was a horse of a > different color. >From what I've read here, he *took* folks to meet at least some of the saints, but that's a quibble. > If we went out on our own, the reasoning was, that those > other Teachers would say we were still seeking, so TM must > not be all *that*. Right, I know that was the rationale. M liked to hand- pick the other saints > he thought we should meet. Maybe it's my imagination but > I think none of them spoke English and he could translate. > LOL I think that's a little paranoid, Mike! > > > From: authfriend > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:57 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at > MUM Fairfield > > Â > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson > wrote: > > > > It is true he did have his followers rub elbows with a few > > other "saints" but that was early in the Movement - by the > > time the sidhis came out in the 70's that was all over with. > > Ah. But Barry was already a teacher by the time the > TM-Sidhis came out. Yet he says: > > "From Day One of meeting him [Maharishi]...created a > sense of 'sin' or 'wrongdoing' in anyone who wanted > *to* meet them." > > > From: authfriend > > To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:12 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly > > at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of > > > > US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to > > > > prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths > > > > was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. > > > > > > I like "psychophants." :-) And while I may disagree with > > > your use of the word "truths" to describe that which they > > > might have found by meeting other teachers, I completely > > > agree that it was Maharishi who tried desperately to keep > > > them from ever meeting them. From Day One of meeting him > > > he put down other teachers and traditions, and created > > > a sense of "sin" or "wrongdoing" in anyone who wanted > > > *to* meet them. It was *very* much the same vibe as > > > women who go berserk if their boyfriend or husband even > > > *looks* at another woman -- jealousy. > > > > (Of course, no *man* ever goes berserk with jealousy > > if his girlfriend or wife looks at another man.) > > > > From what I understand, it isn't true that Maharishi > > kept people from seeing other teachers. There are any > > number of stories, some of which have been told here, > > about Maharishi *arranging* meetings with various saints, > > including Muktananda, Tat Walla Baba, Anandamayi Ma, and > > others. There are even group photographs of the > > gatherings. > > >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > is it beyond the realm of possibility that Marshy began that > practice BEFORE Barry became a teacher Well, we don't know, do we? I find it a little strange, after all the stories that have been told here, that Barry would report on Maharishi's attitude as if it had *always* been the case. > > From: authfriend > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 12:57 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at > MUM Fairfield > > > > Â > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > It is true he did have his followers rub elbows with a few > > other "saints" but that was early in the Movement - by the > > time the sidhis came out in the 70's that was all over with. > > Ah. But Barry was already a teacher by the time the > TM-Sidhis came out. Yet he says: > > "From Day One of meeting him [Maharishi]...created a > sense of 'sin' or 'wrongdoing' in anyone who wanted > *to* meet them." > > > From: authfriend > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:12 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly > > at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > > > > > > > The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of > > > > US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to > > > > prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths > > > > was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. > > > > > > I like "psychophants." :-) And while I may disagree with > > > your use of the word "truths" to describe that which they > > > might have found by meeting other teachers, I completely > > > agree that it was Maharishi who tried desperately to keep > > > them from ever meeting them. From Day One of meeting him > > > he put down other teachers and traditions, and created > > > a sense of "sin" or "wrongdoing" in anyone who wanted > > > *to* meet them. It was *very* much the same vibe as > > > women who go berserk if their boyfriend or husband even > > > *looks* at another woman -- jealousy. > > > > (Of course, no *man* ever goes berserk with jealousy > > if his girlfriend or wife looks at another man.) > > > > From what I understand, it isn't true that Maharishi > > kept people from seeing other teachers. There are any > > number of stories, some of which have been told here, > > about Maharishi *arranging* meetings with various saints, > > including Muktananda, Tat Walla Baba, Anandamayi Ma, and > > others. There are even group photographs of the > > gatherings. > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
Judy, M didn't want us going out to meet other saints but if he brought the saint to meet us , that was a horse of a different color. If we went out on our own, the reasoning was, that those other Teachers would say we were still seeking, so TM must not be all *that*. M liked to hand- pick the other saints he thought we should meet. Maybe it's my imagination but I think none of them spoke English and he could translate. LOL From: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > It is true he did have his followers rub elbows with a few > other "saints" but that was early in the Movement - by the > time the sidhis came out in the 70's that was all over with. Ah. But Barry was already a teacher by the time the TM-Sidhis came out. Yet he says: "From Day One of meeting him [Maharishi]...created a sense of 'sin' or 'wrongdoing' in anyone who wanted *to* meet them." > From: authfriend > To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:12 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at > MUM Fairfield > > > > Â > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" > > wrote: > > > > > > The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of > > > US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to > > > prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths > > > was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. > > > > I like "psychophants." :-) And while I may disagree with > > your use of the word "truths" to describe that which they > > might have found by meeting other teachers, I completely > > agree that it was Maharishi who tried desperately to keep > > them from ever meeting them. From Day One of meeting him > > he put down other teachers and traditions, and created > > a sense of "sin" or "wrongdoing" in anyone who wanted > > *to* meet them. It was *very* much the same vibe as > > women who go berserk if their boyfriend or husband even > > *looks* at another woman -- jealousy. > > (Of course, no *man* ever goes berserk with jealousy > if his girlfriend or wife looks at another man.) > > From what I understand, it isn't true that Maharishi > kept people from seeing other teachers. There are any > number of stories, some of which have been told here, > about Maharishi *arranging* meetings with various saints, > including Muktananda, Tat Walla Baba, Anandamayi Ma, and > others. There are even group photographs of the > gatherings. >
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is it beyond the realm of possibility that Marshy began that practice BEFORE Barry became a teacher From: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 12:57 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > It is true he did have his followers rub elbows with a few > other "saints" but that was early in the Movement - by the > time the sidhis came out in the 70's that was all over with. Ah. But Barry was already a teacher by the time the TM-Sidhis came out. Yet he says: "From Day One of meeting him [Maharishi]...created a sense of 'sin' or 'wrongdoing' in anyone who wanted *to* meet them." > From: authfriend > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:12 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at > MUM Fairfield > > > > Â > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > > > > > The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of > > > US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to > > > prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths > > > was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. > > > > I like "psychophants." :-) And while I may disagree with > > your use of the word "truths" to describe that which they > > might have found by meeting other teachers, I completely > > agree that it was Maharishi who tried desperately to keep > > them from ever meeting them. From Day One of meeting him > > he put down other teachers and traditions, and created > > a sense of "sin" or "wrongdoing" in anyone who wanted > > *to* meet them. It was *very* much the same vibe as > > women who go berserk if their boyfriend or husband even > > *looks* at another woman -- jealousy. > > (Of course, no *man* ever goes berserk with jealousy > if his girlfriend or wife looks at another man.) > > From what I understand, it isn't true that Maharishi > kept people from seeing other teachers. There are any > number of stories, some of which have been told here, > about Maharishi *arranging* meetings with various saints, > including Muktananda, Tat Walla Baba, Anandamayi Ma, and > others. There are even group photographs of the > gatherings. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > It is true he did have his followers rub elbows with a few > other "saints" but that was early in the Movement - by the > time the sidhis came out in the 70's that was all over with. Ah. But Barry was already a teacher by the time the TM-Sidhis came out. Yet he says: "From Day One of meeting him [Maharishi]...created a sense of 'sin' or 'wrongdoing' in anyone who wanted *to* meet them." > From: authfriend > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:12 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at > MUM Fairfield > > > > Â > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > > > > > The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of > > > US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to > > > prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths > > > was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. > > > > I like "psychophants." :-) And while I may disagree with > > your use of the word "truths" to describe that which they > > might have found by meeting other teachers, I completely > > agree that it was Maharishi who tried desperately to keep > > them from ever meeting them. From Day One of meeting him > > he put down other teachers and traditions, and created > > a sense of "sin" or "wrongdoing" in anyone who wanted > > *to* meet them. It was *very* much the same vibe as > > women who go berserk if their boyfriend or husband even > > *looks* at another woman -- jealousy. > > (Of course, no *man* ever goes berserk with jealousy > if his girlfriend or wife looks at another man.) > > From what I understand, it isn't true that Maharishi > kept people from seeing other teachers. There are any > number of stories, some of which have been told here, > about Maharishi *arranging* meetings with various saints, > including Muktananda, Tat Walla Baba, Anandamayi Ma, and > others. There are even group photographs of the > gatherings. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
turq, never say no to merupanda lest identical twins try to eat your cheese and bouncy yogically on your Egyptian er, scale http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utFw5R460Fs From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > tee hee, Ann, you on a roll, I'm loving the levitating panda. > Richard, it's all about pandas, go figure (-: You people obviously don't know that pandas are real dicks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyRvzeNuqa4 These are real commercials, BTW, from Egypt.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > tee hee, Ann, you on a roll, I'm loving the levitating panda. > > Richard, it's all about pandas, go figure (-: > > You people obviously don't know that pandas are real dicks: Sure I do, that is why I suggested you dress up as one and try and get into the Dome unnoticed. But then, you wouldn't need to dress up after all and still come across as a panda. Seriously, pandas are well known to be some of the cutest meanest creatures around. This is not a secret. I was using "panda" as a play on "pandit" not because I thought they were cuddly or a poster child for the equivalent of a seeing eye dog. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyRvzeNuqa4 > > These are real commercials, BTW, from Egypt. >
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Yes, I do - the best. But I fear part of the issue, vee are seeink, with the patient, Barry, is that any boil, bodily discomfort, carbuncle, bad cuppa coffee, digestive upset, impotence, scar, bed wetting, life struggle, or slash, is automatically ascribed to the external, "TM AND MAHARISHI OR HIS FOLLOWERS". It is unfortunately a mental issue, that no amount of surgery, plastic or otherwise, will cure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > Yes, you bucked the trend, hung out with Freddie Lenz, and look how much > > more emotionally and spiritually evolved you are, than the rest of us. > > Nailed It - LOL. > > Hey, Herr Doktoorr, do you think these old TM wounds are open festering > sores, livid scars or just a scab that won't heal on some here? Sometimes > scars can be badges of courage but here they appear rather disfiguring. Do > you know of a good plastic surgeon? > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > > > > > > > The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of > > > > US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to > > > > prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths > > > > was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. > > > > > > I like "psychophants." :-) And while I may disagree with > > > your use of the word "truths" to describe that which they > > > might have found by meeting other teachers, I completely > > > agree that it was Maharishi who tried desperately to keep > > > them from ever meeting them. From Day One of meeting him > > > he put down other teachers and traditions, and created > > > a sense of "sin" or "wrongdoing" in anyone who wanted > > > *to* meet them. It was *very* much the same vibe as > > > women who go berserk if their boyfriend or husband even > > > *looks* at another woman -- jealousy. > > > > > > Maharishi wanted "spiritual virgins" who had no one else > > > to compare him with. And with reason. > > > > > > > For years, people traveling to India could (and did) explore other > > > > practices. In India it was even recommended by other gurus so that > > > > their followers could get a bearing on the ideas and praxis that > > > > were significant to their sampradaya. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nabby, the truth is that the no saint policy came directly from MMY. > > > > It was his very own and clear directive all along. It may be that a > > > > decision will be made to loosen up on that policy. But as far as I know, > > > > the entire movement is functioning under that same rule. Anything > > > > otherwise is considered OTP, altho no one in other countries may know > > > > about other saints or care so much as in the US. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Prime Minister in this problem with the saints has created the > > > > movement culture of an underground of meditators. He makes it very > > > > difficult for there to be success in the ME of meditation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Buck, are you on Facebook ? Seek out Anamay Ashram, all Vedic, run > > > > by Governors. They just had a visit from a Saint. Very cosy and private. > > > > He was very pleased with the progress there and gave his blessings. > > > > > > > > > > > > You must understand that the no-saint-policy is stritcly an american > > > > policy and is hardly observed anywhere else, if at all. Just go with the > > > > flow or emigrate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > tee hee, Ann, you on a roll, I'm loving the levitating panda. > Richard, it's all about pandas, go figure (-: You people obviously don't know that pandas are real dicks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyRvzeNuqa4 These are real commercials, BTW, from Egypt.
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tee hee, Ann, you on a roll, I'm loving the levitating panda. Richard, it's all about pandas, go figure (-: From: Ann To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:45 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nabby, the truth is that the no saint policy came directly > > > > > > from MMY. It was his very own and clear directive all along. > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. But it was nowhere as rigorusly enforced as in the USA. > > > > > > > > > > It may be that a decision will be made to loosen up on that > > > > > policy. > > > > > > > > > > Which would be a big mistake. > > > > > > > > Because True Believers like Nabby could get cooties > > > > from people who have been "seeing saints." :-) > > > > > > The problem lies in that fact that the definition of "Saint" > > > is rather vague, to say the least. > > > > > > Today any woo-woo lama could turn up in Fairfield wearing > > > a funny hat, doing his sing-song and claim to be some sort > > > of saint. In times like these unfortunately many would > > > believe such nonsense. > > > Even a simple ex-pat should understand that we would not > > > want such a character, nor his gullible followers, in the > > > Domes. > > > > At least this simple ex-pat understands that Nabby > > has absolutely no right to use the word "we" when > > referring to what goes on in official TM flying > > domes. He doesn't go to any, and in fact I think > > we all know he wouldn't be allowed *into* the one > > in Fairfield, which is the one being spoken of. > > > I have a standing invitation to come to the Dome in Fairfield and do the TMSP > in the group there, thank you very much. Do you ? :-) Maybe Barry could sneak in with the pandas. > > > > > As for other possible justifications for referring > > to himself as "we," I'm pretty sure Nabby doesn't > > fit either of the first three of Mark Twain's defin- > > itions below, but he may fit the third. :-) > > > > "Only kings, presidents, editors, and people with > > tapeworms have the right to use the editorial 'we.'" > > > > It fits very well then, thank you very much, since I happen have plenty of > direct royal genes. Albeit from looong ago but it's nevertheless a fact. > Do you ? :-) >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
It is true he did have his followers rub elbows with a few other "saints" but that was early in the Movement - by the time the sidhis came out in the 70's that was all over with. From: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:12 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > > > The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of > > US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to > > prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths > > was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. > > I like "psychophants." :-) And while I may disagree with > your use of the word "truths" to describe that which they > might have found by meeting other teachers, I completely > agree that it was Maharishi who tried desperately to keep > them from ever meeting them. From Day One of meeting him > he put down other teachers and traditions, and created > a sense of "sin" or "wrongdoing" in anyone who wanted > *to* meet them. It was *very* much the same vibe as > women who go berserk if their boyfriend or husband even > *looks* at another woman -- jealousy. (Of course, no *man* ever goes berserk with jealousy if his girlfriend or wife looks at another man.) >From what I understand, it isn't true that Maharishi kept people from seeing other teachers. There are any number of stories, some of which have been told here, about Maharishi *arranging* meetings with various saints, including Muktananda, Tat Walla Baba, Anandamayi Ma, and others. There are even group photographs of the gatherings.
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would it be okay to rub elbows with the saints Benjy Creme has vetted? From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > Nabby, the truth is that the no saint policy came directly > > > from MMY. It was his very own and clear directive all along. > > > > Indeed. But it was nowhere as rigorusly enforced as in the USA. > > > > It may be that a decision will be made to loosen up on that policy. > > > > Which would be a big mistake. > > Because True Believers like Nabby could get cooties > from people who have been "seeing saints." :-) The problem lies in that fact that the definition of "Saint" is rather vague, to say the least. Today any woo-woo lama could turn up in Fairfield wearing a funny hat, doing his sing-song and claim to be some sort of saint. In times like these unfortunately many would believe such nonsense. Even a simple ex-pat should understand that we would not want such a character, nor his gullible followers, in the Domes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nabby, the truth is that the no saint policy came directly > > > > > > from MMY. It was his very own and clear directive all along. > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. But it was nowhere as rigorusly enforced as in the USA. > > > > > > > > > > It may be that a decision will be made to loosen up on that > > > > > policy. > > > > > > > > > > Which would be a big mistake. > > > > > > > > Because True Believers like Nabby could get cooties > > > > from people who have been "seeing saints." :-) > > > > > > The problem lies in that fact that the definition of "Saint" > > > is rather vague, to say the least. > > > > > > Today any woo-woo lama could turn up in Fairfield wearing > > > a funny hat, doing his sing-song and claim to be some sort > > > of saint. In times like these unfortunately many would > > > believe such nonsense. > > > Even a simple ex-pat should understand that we would not > > > want such a character, nor his gullible followers, in the > > > Domes. > > > > At least this simple ex-pat understands that Nabby > > has absolutely no right to use the word "we" when > > referring to what goes on in official TM flying > > domes. He doesn't go to any, and in fact I think > > we all know he wouldn't be allowed *into* the one > > in Fairfield, which is the one being spoken of. > > > I have a standing invitation to come to the Dome in Fairfield and do the TMSP > in the group there, thank you very much. Do you ? :-) Maybe Barry could sneak in with the pandas. > > > > > As for other possible justifications for referring > > to himself as "we," I'm pretty sure Nabby doesn't > > fit either of the first three of Mark Twain's defin- > > itions below, but he may fit the third. :-) > > > > "Only kings, presidents, editors, and people with > > tapeworms have the right to use the editorial 'we.'" > > > > It fits very well then, thank you very much, since I happen have plenty of > direct royal genes. Albeit from looong ago but it's nevertheless a fact. > Do you ? :-) >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > Yes, you bucked the trend, hung out with Freddie Lenz, and look how much more > emotionally and spiritually evolved you are, than the rest of us. Nailed It - > LOL. Hey, Herr Doktoorr, do you think these old TM wounds are open festering sores, livid scars or just a scab that won't heal on some here? Sometimes scars can be badges of courage but here they appear rather disfiguring. Do you know of a good plastic surgeon? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > > > > > The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of > > > US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to > > > prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths > > > was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. > > > > I like "psychophants." :-) And while I may disagree with > > your use of the word "truths" to describe that which they > > might have found by meeting other teachers, I completely > > agree that it was Maharishi who tried desperately to keep > > them from ever meeting them. From Day One of meeting him > > he put down other teachers and traditions, and created > > a sense of "sin" or "wrongdoing" in anyone who wanted > > *to* meet them. It was *very* much the same vibe as > > women who go berserk if their boyfriend or husband even > > *looks* at another woman -- jealousy. > > > > Maharishi wanted "spiritual virgins" who had no one else > > to compare him with. And with reason. > > > > > For years, people traveling to India could (and did) explore other > > > practices. In India it was even recommended by other gurus so that > > > their followers could get a bearing on the ideas and praxis that > > > were significant to their sampradaya. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > Nabby, the truth is that the no saint policy came directly from MMY. > > > It was his very own and clear directive all along. It may be that a > > > decision will be made to loosen up on that policy. But as far as I know, > > > the entire movement is functioning under that same rule. Anything > > > otherwise is considered OTP, altho no one in other countries may know > > > about other saints or care so much as in the US. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The Prime Minister in this problem with the saints has created the > > > movement culture of an underground of meditators. He makes it very > > > difficult for there to be success in the ME of meditation. > > > > > > > > > > Buck, are you on Facebook ? Seek out Anamay Ashram, all Vedic, run > > > by Governors. They just had a visit from a Saint. Very cosy and private. > > > He was very pleased with the progress there and gave his blessings. > > > > > > > > > > You must understand that the no-saint-policy is stritcly an american > > > policy and is hardly observed anywhere else, if at all. Just go with the > > > flow or emigrate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nabby, the truth is that the no saint policy came directly > > > > > from MMY. It was his very own and clear directive all along. > > > > > > > > Indeed. But it was nowhere as rigorusly enforced as in the USA. > > > > > > > > It may be that a decision will be made to loosen up on that > > > > policy. > > > > > > > > Which would be a big mistake. > > > > > > Because True Believers like Nabby could get cooties > > > from people who have been "seeing saints." :-) > > > > The problem lies in that fact that the definition of "Saint" > > is rather vague, to say the least. > > > > Today any woo-woo lama could turn up in Fairfield wearing > > a funny hat, doing his sing-song and claim to be some sort > > of saint. In times like these unfortunately many would > > believe such nonsense. > > Even a simple ex-pat should understand that we would not > > want such a character, nor his gullible followers, in the > > Domes. > > At least this simple ex-pat understands that Nabby > has absolutely no right to use the word "we" when > referring to what goes on in official TM flying > domes. He doesn't go to any, and in fact I think > we all know he wouldn't be allowed *into* the one > in Fairfield, which is the one being spoken of. I have a standing invitation to come to the Dome in Fairfield and do the TMSP in the group there, thank you very much. Do you ? :-) > As for other possible justifications for referring > to himself as "we," I'm pretty sure Nabby doesn't > fit either of the first three of Mark Twain's defin- > itions below, but he may fit the third. :-) > > "Only kings, presidents, editors, and people with > tapeworms have the right to use the editorial 'we.'" It fits very well then, thank you very much, since I happen have plenty of direct royal genes. Albeit from looong ago but it's nevertheless a fact. Do you ? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > Nabby, the truth is that the no saint policy came directly > > > > from MMY. It was his very own and clear directive all along. > > > > > > Indeed. But it was nowhere as rigorusly enforced as in the USA. > > > > > > It may be that a decision will be made to loosen up on that > > > policy. > > > > > > Which would be a big mistake. > > > > Because True Believers like Nabby could get cooties > > from people who have been "seeing saints." :-) > > The problem lies in that fact that the definition of "Saint" > is rather vague, to say the least. > > Today any woo-woo lama could turn up in Fairfield wearing > a funny hat, doing his sing-song and claim to be some sort > of saint. In times like these unfortunately many would > believe such nonsense. > Even a simple ex-pat should understand that we would not > want such a character, nor his gullible followers, in the > Domes. At least this simple ex-pat understands that Nabby has absolutely no right to use the word "we" when referring to what goes on in official TM flying domes. He doesn't go to any, and in fact I think we all know he wouldn't be allowed *into* the one in Fairfield, which is the one being spoken of. As for other possible justifications for referring to himself as "we," I'm pretty sure Nabby doesn't fit either of the first three of Mark Twain's defin- itions below, but he may fit the third. :-) "Only kings, presidents, editors, and people with tapeworms have the right to use the editorial 'we.'"
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
Yes, you bucked the trend, hung out with Freddie Lenz, and look how much more emotionally and spiritually evolved you are, than the rest of us. Nailed It - LOL. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > > > The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of > > US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to > > prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths > > was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. > > I like "psychophants." :-) And while I may disagree with > your use of the word "truths" to describe that which they > might have found by meeting other teachers, I completely > agree that it was Maharishi who tried desperately to keep > them from ever meeting them. From Day One of meeting him > he put down other teachers and traditions, and created > a sense of "sin" or "wrongdoing" in anyone who wanted > *to* meet them. It was *very* much the same vibe as > women who go berserk if their boyfriend or husband even > *looks* at another woman -- jealousy. > > Maharishi wanted "spiritual virgins" who had no one else > to compare him with. And with reason. > > > For years, people traveling to India could (and did) explore other > > practices. In India it was even recommended by other gurus so that > > their followers could get a bearing on the ideas and praxis that > > were significant to their sampradaya. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > Nabby, the truth is that the no saint policy came directly from MMY. > > It was his very own and clear directive all along. It may be that a > > decision will be made to loosen up on that policy. But as far as I know, > > the entire movement is functioning under that same rule. Anything > > otherwise is considered OTP, altho no one in other countries may know > > about other saints or care so much as in the US. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > The Prime Minister in this problem with the saints has created the > > movement culture of an underground of meditators. He makes it very > > difficult for there to be success in the ME of meditation. > > > > > > > > Buck, are you on Facebook ? Seek out Anamay Ashram, all Vedic, run > > by Governors. They just had a visit from a Saint. Very cosy and private. > > He was very pleased with the progress there and gave his blessings. > > > > > > > > You must understand that the no-saint-policy is stritcly an american > > policy and is hardly observed anywhere else, if at all. Just go with the > > flow or emigrate. > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > Nabby, the truth is that the no saint policy came directly > > > from MMY. It was his very own and clear directive all along. > > > > Indeed. But it was nowhere as rigorusly enforced as in the USA. > > > > It may be that a decision will be made to loosen up on that policy. > > > > Which would be a big mistake. > > Because True Believers like Nabby could get cooties > from people who have been "seeing saints." :-) The problem lies in that fact that the definition of "Saint" is rather vague, to say the least. Today any woo-woo lama could turn up in Fairfield wearing a funny hat, doing his sing-song and claim to be some sort of saint. In times like these unfortunately many would believe such nonsense. Even a simple ex-pat should understand that we would not want such a character, nor his gullible followers, in the Domes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > Nabby, the truth is that the no saint policy came directly > > from MMY. It was his very own and clear directive all along. > > Indeed. But it was nowhere as rigorusly enforced as in the USA. > > It may be that a decision will be made to loosen up on that policy. > > Which would be a big mistake. Because True Believers like Nabby could get cooties from people who have been "seeing saints." :-) Even though he admits to "seeing" several of the same ones. Elitism is nothing if not hypocritical. "Do as we say, not as we do." :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > Nabby, the truth is that the no saint policy came directly from MMY. It was > his very own and clear directive all along. Indeed. But it was nowhere as rigorusly enforced as in the USA. It may be that a decision will be made to loosen up on that policy. Which would be a big mistake. But as far as I know, the entire movement is functioning under that same rule. The american Movement. Anything otherwise is considered OTP, altho no one in other countries may know about other saints or care so much as in the US. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > The Prime Minister in this problem with the saints has created the > > > movement culture of an underground of meditators. He makes it very > > > difficult for there to be success in the ME of meditation. > > > > Buck, are you on Facebook ? Seek out Anamay Ashram, all Vedic, run by > > Governors. They just had a visit from a Saint. Very cosy and private. He > > was very pleased with the progress there and gave his blessings. > > > > You must understand that the no-saint-policy is stritcly an american policy > > and is hardly observed anywhere else, if at all. Just go with the flow or > > emigrate. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > > > > > The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of > > > US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to > > > prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths > > > was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. > > > > I like "psychophants." :-) And while I may disagree with > > your use of the word "truths" to describe that which they > > might have found by meeting other teachers, I completely > > agree that it was Maharishi who tried desperately to keep > > them from ever meeting them. From Day One of meeting him > > he put down other teachers and traditions, and created > > a sense of "sin" or "wrongdoing" in anyone who wanted > > *to* meet them. It was *very* much the same vibe as > > women who go berserk if their boyfriend or husband even > > *looks* at another woman -- jealousy. > > (Of course, no *man* ever goes berserk with jealousy > if his girlfriend or wife looks at another man.) > > From what I understand, it isn't true that Maharishi > kept people from seeing other teachers. There are any > number of stories, some of which have been told here, > about Maharishi *arranging* meetings with various saints, > including Muktananda, Tat Walla Baba, Anandamayi Ma, and > others. There are even group photographs of the > gatherings. Worth pointing out ( just to watch her fume :-) that this post attempting to "shoot the messenger" by nitpicking about a jealousy metaphor and "defending Maharishi" was made by the person who cared so little about either him or her own self discovery that she never even bothered to meet *him*, much less any other spiritual teachers. :-) :-) :-) "From what I understand..." takes on new meanings when seen in the light of such a slacker mentality :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > > > The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of > > US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to > > prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths > > was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. > > I like "psychophants." :-) And while I may disagree with > your use of the word "truths" to describe that which they > might have found by meeting other teachers, I completely > agree that it was Maharishi who tried desperately to keep > them from ever meeting them. From Day One of meeting him > he put down other teachers and traditions, and created > a sense of "sin" or "wrongdoing" in anyone who wanted > *to* meet them. It was *very* much the same vibe as > women who go berserk if their boyfriend or husband even > *looks* at another woman -- jealousy. (Of course, no *man* ever goes berserk with jealousy if his girlfriend or wife looks at another man.) >From what I understand, it isn't true that Maharishi kept people from seeing other teachers. There are any number of stories, some of which have been told here, about Maharishi *arranging* meetings with various saints, including Muktananda, Tat Walla Baba, Anandamayi Ma, and others. There are even group photographs of the gatherings.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of > US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to > prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths > was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. I like "psychophants." :-) And while I may disagree with your use of the word "truths" to describe that which they might have found by meeting other teachers, I completely agree that it was Maharishi who tried desperately to keep them from ever meeting them. From Day One of meeting him he put down other teachers and traditions, and created a sense of "sin" or "wrongdoing" in anyone who wanted *to* meet them. It was *very* much the same vibe as women who go berserk if their boyfriend or husband even *looks* at another woman -- jealousy. Maharishi wanted "spiritual virgins" who had no one else to compare him with. And with reason. > For years, people traveling to India could (and did) explore other > practices. In India it was even recommended by other gurus so that > their followers could get a bearing on the ideas and praxis that > were significant to their sampradaya. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > Nabby, the truth is that the no saint policy came directly from MMY. > It was his very own and clear directive all along. It may be that a > decision will be made to loosen up on that policy. But as far as I know, > the entire movement is functioning under that same rule. Anything > otherwise is considered OTP, altho no one in other countries may know > about other saints or care so much as in the US. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > The Prime Minister in this problem with the saints has created the > movement culture of an underground of meditators. He makes it very > difficult for there to be success in the ME of meditation. > > > > > > Buck, are you on Facebook ? Seek out Anamay Ashram, all Vedic, run > by Governors. They just had a visit from a Saint. Very cosy and private. > He was very pleased with the progress there and gave his blessings. > > > > > > You must understand that the no-saint-policy is stritcly an american > policy and is hardly observed anywhere else, if at all. Just go with the > flow or emigrate. > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
The reality outside of the incestuous guru-groupie ashrams of US/Europe/pseudo-India is far from the reality. MMY's edicts to prevent his psychophants from "contamination" by other truths was a control move to guarantee kowtowing fidelity. For years, people traveling to India could (and did) explore other practices. In India it was even recommended by other gurus so that their followers could get a bearing on the ideas and praxis that were significant to their sampradaya. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > Nabby, the truth is that the no saint policy came directly from MMY. It was his very own and clear directive all along. It may be that a decision will be made to loosen up on that policy. But as far as I know, the entire movement is functioning under that same rule. Anything otherwise is considered OTP, altho no one in other countries may know about other saints or care so much as in the US. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > The Prime Minister in this problem with the saints has created the movement culture of an underground of meditators. He makes it very difficult for there to be success in the ME of meditation. > > > > Buck, are you on Facebook ? Seek out Anamay Ashram, all Vedic, run by Governors. They just had a visit from a Saint. Very cosy and private. He was very pleased with the progress there and gave his blessings. > > > > You must understand that the no-saint-policy is stritcly an american policy and is hardly observed anywhere else, if at all. Just go with the flow or emigrate. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
Nabby, the truth is that the no saint policy came directly from MMY. It was his very own and clear directive all along. It may be that a decision will be made to loosen up on that policy. But as far as I know, the entire movement is functioning under that same rule. Anything otherwise is considered OTP, altho no one in other countries may know about other saints or care so much as in the US. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > The Prime Minister in this problem with the saints has created the movement > > culture of an underground of meditators. He makes it very difficult for > > there to be success in the ME of meditation. > > Buck, are you on Facebook ? Seek out Anamay Ashram, all Vedic, run by > Governors. They just had a visit from a Saint. Very cosy and private. He was > very pleased with the progress there and gave his blessings. > > You must understand that the no-saint-policy is stritcly an american policy > and is hardly observed anywhere else, if at all. Just go with the flow or > emigrate. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > The Prime Minister in this problem with the saints has created the movement > culture of an underground of meditators. He makes it very difficult for > there to be success in the ME of meditation. Buck, are you on Facebook ? Seek out Anamay Ashram, all Vedic, run by Governors. They just had a visit from a Saint. Very cosy and private. He was very pleased with the progress there and gave his blessings. You must understand that the no-saint-policy is stritcly an american policy and is hardly observed anywhere else, if at all. Just go with the flow or emigrate.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
Saints? TM folk here generally use the spiritual context. Most folks here generally seem to know them when they see them..Saints. TM Movement apparatchiks sneak off all the time to be with them too. > > > > > > > > > > Buck, just how does the TMO define 'a Saint'? > > > > > > How do they define the lines that are crossed? > > > > > > > Saints? Guru Dev [SBS], Maharisbh's teacher instructed people to sit with > > them. Maharishi sent people too. Saints like Sat Gurus evidently are a > > [necessary] part of the spiritual territory at our level of discussion. > > > > Saints? > "Weber, in an oft quoted passage, defined charisma as "... > a certain quality of an individual personality, by virtue of which [s/]he is > set > apart from ordinary [people] and treated as endowed with supernatural, > superhuman, or at least specifically exceptional powers or qualities. These > are > such as are not accessible to the ordinary person, but are regarded as of > divine > origin or as exemplary, and on the basis of them the individual concerned is > treated as a leader"." > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" > > > > > > Lots of meditators back East or West, they say, is leavin' home every day, > > Beatin' the hot old dusty way to these Fairfield Domes. > > 'Cross the desert sands they roll, gettin' out of their dusty old bowls, > > They think they're goin' to a sugar bowl, but here's what they find > > Now, the administration at the port of entry say, > > "We don't want no saint-visiting fugitive meditators here!" > > That's like me saying, "If you have been visiting leprechauns and ridden any > pterodactyls lately you can't come to my garden party. Like I said: THERE ARE > NO SUCH THINGS AS SAINTS! Relax, for God's sake. > > > Om, if you ain't got the do re mi, > > siddhas, you ain't got the do re mi, > > Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, > > Tennessee. > > > > > > > > You want to buy you a Fairfield home or a farm or just rent a place, that > > > can't deal nobody harm, > > > Or take your vacation out by the mountains or sea. > > > But don't swap your old cow for a car, you better stay right where you > > > are, > > > Better take this little tip from me. > > > 'Cause I look through the want ads every day > > > But the headlines on the papers always say: > > > If you ain't got the do re mi, siddhas, you ain't got the do re mi, > > > Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, > > > Tennessee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fairfield is a garden of Eden, a paradise to live in or see; > > > > > But believe it or not, you won't find it so hot > > > > > If you ain't got the do re mi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you ain't got the do re mi, siddhas, you ain't got the do re mi, > > > > Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, > > > > Tennessee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, Bevan's anti-saint axiom on this is that meditators who go > > > > > > > to > > > > > > see saints may confuse other people who are seeing them thus about > > > > > > the > > > > > > sufficiency and effectiveness of TM altogether. This is matter of > > > > > > faith. And II, that these meditators should be hunt down as > > > > > > fugitives > > > > > > and punished also as a matter of faith by removal or refusal of Dome > > > > > > meditation badges. Of course a long problem with Bevan's axiom is > > > > > > that > > > > > > most of the meditating community does not believe it or take it as a > > > > > > matter of faith. That leaves Bevan and a few people around him by > > > > > > themselves as the inner movement. Hence the TM anti-saint faithful > > > > > > inside vs. the practitioner meditator movement. It's a bad civil > > > > > > war > > > > > > about faith in axiom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visiting Saints and Runaway Meditators > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By Guideline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is Illegal to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Willingly obstruct, hinder, or prevent from arrest fugitives from > > > > > > the > > > > > > meditation group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is Illegal to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rescue, or attempt to rescue, fugitives from the Dome meditation for > > > > > > having visited or sat with saints, holy mahatmas, or wise people , > > > > > > from > > > > > > the custody of such claim as this course office may have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is Illegal to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aid, abet, or assist such persons so owing service or labor of > > > > > > meditation, directly or indirectly, to escape from such claim. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
> > > > > Buck, just how does the TMO define 'a Saint'? > > > > How do they define the lines that are crossed? > > > > Saints? Guru Dev [SBS], Maharisbh's teacher instructed people to sit with > them. Maharishi sent people too. Saints like Sat Gurus evidently are a > [necessary] part of the spiritual territory at our level of discussion. > Saints? "Weber, in an oft quoted passage, defined charisma as "... a certain quality of an individual personality, by virtue of which [s/]he is set apart from ordinary [people] and treated as endowed with supernatural, superhuman, or at least specifically exceptional powers or qualities. These are such as are not accessible to the ordinary person, but are regarded as of divine origin or as exemplary, and on the basis of them the individual concerned is treated as a leader"." > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Look, Bevan's anti-saint axiom on this is that meditators who go to see > > > saints may confuse other people who are seeing them thus about the > > > sufficiency and effectiveness of TM altogether. This is matter of faith. > > > And II, that these meditators should be hunt down as fugitives and > > > punished also as a matter of faith by removal or refusal of Dome > > > meditation badges. Of course a long problem with Bevan's axiom is that > > > most of the meditating community does not believe it or take it as a > > > matter of faith. That leaves Bevan and a few people around him by > > > themselves as the inner movement. Hence the TM anti-saint faithful inside > > > vs. the practitioner meditator movement. It's a bad civil war about > > > faith in axiom. > > > > Buck, just how does the TMO define 'a Saint'? > > Or suppose a Catholic meditator took courses from priests in some kind of > > meditation, some kind of contemplation. > > Or a Buddhist who visits a Buddhist monestery? > > > > How do they define the lines that are crossed? > > > > Personally I am not interested in saints. But suppose I read a book by one? > > For example, I have a book called the Dark Night of the Soul by St. John of > > the Cross. Not a Hindu saint of course. Sometimes I skim through books by > > Krishnamurti. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
> > Buck, just how does the TMO define 'a Saint'? > > How do they define the lines that are crossed? > Saints? Guru Dev [SBS], Maharisbh's teacher instructed people to sit with them. Maharishi sent people too. Saints like Sat Gurus evidently are a [necessary] part of the spiritual territory at our level of discussion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > Look, Bevan's anti-saint axiom on this is that meditators who go to see > > saints may confuse other people who are seeing them thus about the > > sufficiency and effectiveness of TM altogether. This is matter of faith. > > And II, that these meditators should be hunt down as fugitives and punished > > also as a matter of faith by removal or refusal of Dome meditation badges. > > Of course a long problem with Bevan's axiom is that most of the meditating > > community does not believe it or take it as a matter of faith. That leaves > > Bevan and a few people around him by themselves as the inner movement. > > Hence the TM anti-saint faithful inside vs. the practitioner meditator > > movement. It's a bad civil war about faith in axiom. > > Buck, just how does the TMO define 'a Saint'? > Or suppose a Catholic meditator took courses from priests in some kind of > meditation, some kind of contemplation. > Or a Buddhist who visits a Buddhist monestery? > > How do they define the lines that are crossed? > > Personally I am not interested in saints. But suppose I read a book by one? > For example, I have a book called the Dark Night of the Soul by St. John of > the Cross. Not a Hindu saint of course. Sometimes I skim through books by > Krishnamurti. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > Lots of meditators back East or West, they say, is leavin' home every day, > Beatin' the hot old dusty way to these Fairfield Domes. > 'Cross the desert sands they roll, gettin' out of their dusty old bowls, > They think they're goin' to a sugar bowl, but here's what they find > Now, the administration at the port of entry say, > "We don't want no saint-visiting fugitive meditators here!" That's like me saying, "If you have been visiting leprechauns and ridden any pterodactyls lately you can't come to my garden party. Like I said: THERE ARE NO SUCH THINGS AS SAINTS! Relax, for God's sake. > Om, if you ain't got the do re mi, > siddhas, you ain't got the do re mi, > Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, > Tennessee. > > > > > You want to buy you a Fairfield home or a farm or just rent a place, that > > can't deal nobody harm, > > Or take your vacation out by the mountains or sea. > > But don't swap your old cow for a car, you better stay right where you are, > > Better take this little tip from me. > > 'Cause I look through the want ads every day > > But the headlines on the papers always say: > > If you ain't got the do re mi, siddhas, you ain't got the do re mi, > > Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, > > Tennessee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fairfield is a garden of Eden, a paradise to live in or see; > > > > But believe it or not, you won't find it so hot > > > > If you ain't got the do re mi. > > > > > > > > > > If you ain't got the do re mi, siddhas, you ain't got the do re mi, > > > Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, > > > Tennessee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, Bevan's anti-saint axiom on this is that meditators who go to > > > > > see saints may confuse other people who are seeing them thus about the > > > > > sufficiency and effectiveness of TM altogether. This is matter of > > > > > faith. And II, that these meditators should be hunt down as fugitives > > > > > and punished also as a matter of faith by removal or refusal of Dome > > > > > meditation badges. Of course a long problem with Bevan's axiom is > > > > > that > > > > > most of the meditating community does not believe it or take it as a > > > > > matter of faith. That leaves Bevan and a few people around him by > > > > > themselves as the inner movement. Hence the TM anti-saint faithful > > > > > inside vs. the practitioner meditator movement. It's a bad civil war > > > > > about faith in axiom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visiting Saints and Runaway Meditators > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By Guideline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is Illegal to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Willingly obstruct, hinder, or prevent from arrest fugitives from the > > > > > meditation group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is Illegal to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rescue, or attempt to rescue, fugitives from the Dome meditation for > > > > > having visited or sat with saints, holy mahatmas, or wise people , > > > > > from > > > > > the custody of such claim as this course office may have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is Illegal to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aid, abet, or assist such persons so owing service or labor of > > > > > meditation, directly or indirectly, to escape from such claim. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is Illegal to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harbor or conceal meditator fugitives from service or meditation, so > > > > > as > > > > > to prevent the discovery and arrest of such persons, after notice or > > > > > knowledge of the fact that such persons are fugitive from service or > > > > > meditation. > > > > > > > > > > Penalty of Law: > > > > > > > > > > For either of said criminal offences, offenders shall be subject to > > > > > administrative review and the loss of Dome meditation privileges by > > > > > indictment and conviction > > > > > > > > > > and pay, by way of civil damages to the parties injured by such > > > > > illegal > > > > > conduct, the sum of one thousand dollars for each fugitive from > > > > > meditation so lost to be recovered by action of debt. > > > > > > > > > > "Let us put a stop to meditator stealing by other saints!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation > > > > > policy guidelines to host TM'ers known to have visited Saints? Aiding > > > > > or abetting these meditators by giving them shelter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Prime Minister has not rescinded his Anti-Saint Dome > > > > > meditation policy yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What? Families caught hosting fugitive TM meditators who went to > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
Lots of meditators back East or West, they say, is leavin' home every day, Beatin' the hot old dusty way to these Fairfield Domes. 'Cross the desert sands they roll, gettin' out of their dusty old bowls, They think they're goin' to a sugar bowl, but here's what they find Now, the administration at the port of entry say, "We don't want no saint-visiting fugitive meditators here!" Om, if you ain't got the do re mi, siddhas, you ain't got the do re mi, Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, Tennessee. > > You want to buy you a Fairfield home or a farm or just rent a place, that > can't deal nobody harm, > Or take your vacation out by the mountains or sea. > But don't swap your old cow for a car, you better stay right where you are, > Better take this little tip from me. > 'Cause I look through the want ads every day > But the headlines on the papers always say: > If you ain't got the do re mi, siddhas, you ain't got the do re mi, > Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, > Tennessee. > > > > > > > > > Fairfield is a garden of Eden, a paradise to live in or see; > > > But believe it or not, you won't find it so hot > > > If you ain't got the do re mi. > > > > > > > If you ain't got the do re mi, siddhas, you ain't got the do re mi, > > Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, > > Tennessee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, Bevan's anti-saint axiom on this is that meditators who go to > > > > see saints may confuse other people who are seeing them thus about the > > > > sufficiency and effectiveness of TM altogether. This is matter of > > > > faith. And II, that these meditators should be hunt down as fugitives > > > > and punished also as a matter of faith by removal or refusal of Dome > > > > meditation badges. Of course a long problem with Bevan's axiom is that > > > > most of the meditating community does not believe it or take it as a > > > > matter of faith. That leaves Bevan and a few people around him by > > > > themselves as the inner movement. Hence the TM anti-saint faithful > > > > inside vs. the practitioner meditator movement. It's a bad civil war > > > > about faith in axiom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visiting Saints and Runaway Meditators > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By Guideline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is Illegal to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Willingly obstruct, hinder, or prevent from arrest fugitives from the > > > > meditation group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is Illegal to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rescue, or attempt to rescue, fugitives from the Dome meditation for > > > > having visited or sat with saints, holy mahatmas, or wise people , from > > > > the custody of such claim as this course office may have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is Illegal to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aid, abet, or assist such persons so owing service or labor of > > > > meditation, directly or indirectly, to escape from such claim. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is Illegal to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harbor or conceal meditator fugitives from service or meditation, so as > > > > to prevent the discovery and arrest of such persons, after notice or > > > > knowledge of the fact that such persons are fugitive from service or > > > > meditation. > > > > > > > > Penalty of Law: > > > > > > > > For either of said criminal offences, offenders shall be subject to > > > > administrative review and the loss of Dome meditation privileges by > > > > indictment and conviction > > > > > > > > and pay, by way of civil damages to the parties injured by such illegal > > > > conduct, the sum of one thousand dollars for each fugitive from > > > > meditation so lost to be recovered by action of debt. > > > > > > > > "Let us put a stop to meditator stealing by other saints!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation > > > > policy guidelines to host TM'ers known to have visited Saints? Aiding > > > > or abetting these meditators by giving them shelter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Prime Minister has not rescinded his Anti-Saint Dome > > > > meditation policy yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What? Families caught hosting fugitive TM meditators who went to > > > > visit saints will be punished by the Dome Course Office? By Bevan? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep, harboring fugitives from the TM movement. It should cost a > > > > host family to lose their own Dome badges for helping these fugitives > > > > from the TM movement get in to the Domes to meditate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A "Host Program" has been inspired by the current situation > > > > with the IAA Settle Grant. We hope to facilitate connecting current IAA > > > > p
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
You want to buy you a Fairfield home or a farm or just rent a place, that can't deal nobody harm, Or take your vacation out by the mountains or sea. But don't swap your old cow for a car, you better stay right where you are, Better take this little tip from me. 'Cause I look through the want ads every day But the headlines on the papers always say: If you ain't got the do re mi, siddhas, you ain't got the do re mi, Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, Tennessee. > > > > > Fairfield is a garden of Eden, a paradise to live in or see; > > But believe it or not, you won't find it so hot > > If you ain't got the do re mi. > > > > If you ain't got the do re mi, siddhas, you ain't got the do re mi, > Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, > Tennessee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, Bevan's anti-saint axiom on this is that meditators who go to > > > see saints may confuse other people who are seeing them thus about the > > > sufficiency and effectiveness of TM altogether. This is matter of > > > faith. And II, that these meditators should be hunt down as fugitives > > > and punished also as a matter of faith by removal or refusal of Dome > > > meditation badges. Of course a long problem with Bevan's axiom is that > > > most of the meditating community does not believe it or take it as a > > > matter of faith. That leaves Bevan and a few people around him by > > > themselves as the inner movement. Hence the TM anti-saint faithful > > > inside vs. the practitioner meditator movement. It's a bad civil war > > > about faith in axiom. > > > > > > > > > > Visiting Saints and Runaway Meditators > > > > > > > > > > > > By Guideline > > > > > > > > > > > > It is Illegal to: > > > > > > > > > > > > Willingly obstruct, hinder, or prevent from arrest fugitives from the > > > meditation group. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is Illegal to: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rescue, or attempt to rescue, fugitives from the Dome meditation for > > > having visited or sat with saints, holy mahatmas, or wise people , from > > > the custody of such claim as this course office may have. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is Illegal to: > > > > > > > > > > > > Aid, abet, or assist such persons so owing service or labor of > > > meditation, directly or indirectly, to escape from such claim. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is Illegal to: > > > > > > > > > > > > Harbor or conceal meditator fugitives from service or meditation, so as > > > to prevent the discovery and arrest of such persons, after notice or > > > knowledge of the fact that such persons are fugitive from service or > > > meditation. > > > > > > Penalty of Law: > > > > > > For either of said criminal offences, offenders shall be subject to > > > administrative review and the loss of Dome meditation privileges by > > > indictment and conviction > > > > > > and pay, by way of civil damages to the parties injured by such illegal > > > conduct, the sum of one thousand dollars for each fugitive from > > > meditation so lost to be recovered by action of debt. > > > > > > "Let us put a stop to meditator stealing by other saints!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation > > > policy guidelines to host TM'ers known to have visited Saints? Aiding > > > or abetting these meditators by giving them shelter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Prime Minister has not rescinded his Anti-Saint Dome > > > meditation policy yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What? Families caught hosting fugitive TM meditators who went to > > > visit saints will be punished by the Dome Course Office? By Bevan? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep, harboring fugitives from the TM movement. It should cost a > > > host family to lose their own Dome badges for helping these fugitives > > > from the TM movement get in to the Domes to meditate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A "Host Program" has been inspired by the current situation > > > with the IAA Settle Grant. We hope to facilitate connecting current IAA > > > participants with a Host during this transitional time and to inspire a > > > new generation of IAA participants to be able to attend for either short > > > (month long) or longer terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A "match up" description for any Sidha who has a room in > > > their home that would be available for at least one month will be > > > created. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation > > > policy guidelines to host TM'ers known to have visited Saints? Aiding > > > or abetting these meditators by giving them shelter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan you would think so, this would be reasonable for the > > > people who have already been taught the sidhis techniqu
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
> > > Fairfield is a garden of Eden, a paradise to live in or see; > But believe it or not, you won't find it so hot > If you ain't got the do re mi. > If you ain't got the do re mi, siddhas, you ain't got the do re mi, Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, Tennessee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, Bevan's anti-saint axiom on this is that meditators who go to > > see saints may confuse other people who are seeing them thus about the > > sufficiency and effectiveness of TM altogether. This is matter of > > faith. And II, that these meditators should be hunt down as fugitives > > and punished also as a matter of faith by removal or refusal of Dome > > meditation badges. Of course a long problem with Bevan's axiom is that > > most of the meditating community does not believe it or take it as a > > matter of faith. That leaves Bevan and a few people around him by > > themselves as the inner movement. Hence the TM anti-saint faithful > > inside vs. the practitioner meditator movement. It's a bad civil war > > about faith in axiom. > > > > > > > Visiting Saints and Runaway Meditators > > > > > > > > By Guideline > > > > > > > > It is Illegal to: > > > > > > > > Willingly obstruct, hinder, or prevent from arrest fugitives from the > > meditation group. > > > > > > > > It is Illegal to: > > > > > > > > Rescue, or attempt to rescue, fugitives from the Dome meditation for > > having visited or sat with saints, holy mahatmas, or wise people , from > > the custody of such claim as this course office may have. > > > > > > > > It is Illegal to: > > > > > > > > Aid, abet, or assist such persons so owing service or labor of > > meditation, directly or indirectly, to escape from such claim. > > > > > > > > It is Illegal to: > > > > > > > > Harbor or conceal meditator fugitives from service or meditation, so as > > to prevent the discovery and arrest of such persons, after notice or > > knowledge of the fact that such persons are fugitive from service or > > meditation. > > > > Penalty of Law: > > > > For either of said criminal offences, offenders shall be subject to > > administrative review and the loss of Dome meditation privileges by > > indictment and conviction > > > > and pay, by way of civil damages to the parties injured by such illegal > > conduct, the sum of one thousand dollars for each fugitive from > > meditation so lost to be recovered by action of debt. > > > > "Let us put a stop to meditator stealing by other saints!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation > > policy guidelines to host TM'ers known to have visited Saints? Aiding > > or abetting these meditators by giving them shelter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Prime Minister has not rescinded his Anti-Saint Dome > > meditation policy yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What? Families caught hosting fugitive TM meditators who went to > > visit saints will be punished by the Dome Course Office? By Bevan? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep, harboring fugitives from the TM movement. It should cost a > > host family to lose their own Dome badges for helping these fugitives > > from the TM movement get in to the Domes to meditate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A "Host Program" has been inspired by the current situation > > with the IAA Settle Grant. We hope to facilitate connecting current IAA > > participants with a Host during this transitional time and to inspire a > > new generation of IAA participants to be able to attend for either short > > (month long) or longer terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A "match up" description for any Sidha who has a room in > > their home that would be available for at least one month will be > > created. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation > > policy guidelines to host TM'ers known to have visited Saints? Aiding > > or abetting these meditators by giving them shelter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan you would think so, this would be reasonable for the > > people who have already been taught the sidhis technique. But no. A > > stunning moment in the meeting was their announcement there would be > > re-fresher meetings about practicing the technique but in the same > > breath you'd need a Dome badge first to go to the meetings. Catch-22. > > > > > > > > > See: > > > > > > > > > > > http://applicantqv.blogspot.com/2012/03/yogic-flying-tm-banned-from-dome\ > > s.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's an idea, an experiment: Have a 4 week period > > where anyone who ever got the siddhis can come and fly in the Domes. The > > TMO could give out special colored badges in advance. No background > > checks or eliminating a person because they saw an
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
Fairfield is a garden of Eden, a paradise to live in or see; But believe it or not, you won't find it so hot If you ain't got the do re mi. > > > > > > > > Look, Bevan's anti-saint axiom on this is that meditators who go to > see saints may confuse other people who are seeing them thus about the > sufficiency and effectiveness of TM altogether. This is matter of > faith. And II, that these meditators should be hunt down as fugitives > and punished also as a matter of faith by removal or refusal of Dome > meditation badges. Of course a long problem with Bevan's axiom is that > most of the meditating community does not believe it or take it as a > matter of faith. That leaves Bevan and a few people around him by > themselves as the inner movement. Hence the TM anti-saint faithful > inside vs. the practitioner meditator movement. It's a bad civil war > about faith in axiom. > > > > Visiting Saints and Runaway Meditators > > > > By Guideline > > > > It is Illegal to: > > > > Willingly obstruct, hinder, or prevent from arrest fugitives from the > meditation group. > > > > It is Illegal to: > > > > Rescue, or attempt to rescue, fugitives from the Dome meditation for > having visited or sat with saints, holy mahatmas, or wise people , from > the custody of such claim as this course office may have. > > > > It is Illegal to: > > > > Aid, abet, or assist such persons so owing service or labor of > meditation, directly or indirectly, to escape from such claim. > > > > It is Illegal to: > > > > Harbor or conceal meditator fugitives from service or meditation, so as > to prevent the discovery and arrest of such persons, after notice or > knowledge of the fact that such persons are fugitive from service or > meditation. > > Penalty of Law: > > For either of said criminal offences, offenders shall be subject to > administrative review and the loss of Dome meditation privileges by > indictment and conviction > > and pay, by way of civil damages to the parties injured by such illegal > conduct, the sum of one thousand dollars for each fugitive from > meditation so lost to be recovered by action of debt. > > "Let us put a stop to meditator stealing by other saints!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation > policy guidelines to host TM'ers known to have visited Saints? Aiding > or abetting these meditators by giving them shelter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Prime Minister has not rescinded his Anti-Saint Dome > meditation policy yet. > > > > > > > > > > > What? Families caught hosting fugitive TM meditators who went to > visit saints will be punished by the Dome Course Office? By Bevan? > > > > > > > > > > > Yep, harboring fugitives from the TM movement. It should cost a > host family to lose their own Dome badges for helping these fugitives > from the TM movement get in to the Domes to meditate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A "Host Program" has been inspired by the current situation > with the IAA Settle Grant. We hope to facilitate connecting current IAA > participants with a Host during this transitional time and to inspire a > new generation of IAA participants to be able to attend for either short > (month long) or longer terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A "match up" description for any Sidha who has a room in > their home that would be available for at least one month will be > created. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation > policy guidelines to host TM'ers known to have visited Saints? Aiding > or abetting these meditators by giving them shelter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan you would think so, this would be reasonable for the > people who have already been taught the sidhis technique. But no. A > stunning moment in the meeting was their announcement there would be > re-fresher meetings about practicing the technique but in the same > breath you'd need a Dome badge first to go to the meetings. Catch-22. > > > > > > > > See: > > > > > > > > > http://applicantqv.blogspot.com/2012/03/yogic-flying-tm-banned-from-dome\ > s.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's an idea, an experiment: Have a 4 week period > where anyone who ever got the siddhis can come and fly in the Domes. The > TMO could give out special colored badges in advance. No background > checks or eliminating a person because they saw another saint etc. Just > anyone can come, everyone very welcome, fly in to town for this, if need > be. A really welcoming, genuine atmosphere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, see how it goes for those 4 weeks - Maybe things > would improve in some way: more people would attend, the energy in the > Domes would be more powerful. Even maybe it would inspire those > attending to come regularly again. And Ma
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
Nabby, I was referring to a comment that you yourself thanked Obbajee for. Yes, I think I saw the whole thread. FWIW I have read that rape is more a crime of violence than of passion. Maybe that was part of the mixup. Obbajee was talking about rape the violent crime and you were talking more about sexual urges which are part of human sexuality. I do think that people who use violence, sexual or otherwise, against others, except in self defense, need to be locked up until they are rehabilitated. I also see the validity of some of your points. Our culture sends many mixed and or extremely compelling messages about sex. This only makes it more of a powder keg area of life, as well as one that stirs people's most primitive feelings and deep longings. And if one is in a spiritual community, all these waters get even more muddied. Speaking of which, besides the urge to procreate and experience intense pleasure, I do think we humans want unity not only spiritually but also in an embodied way. And I've been fortunate to learn from a tantric teacher who taught that sex can not only improve physical health, but can also nourish spiritual development. For some, it's the closest or only way they experience ecstasy. So, there's a lot riding on sex so to speak. Approach topic like a mine field covered in beautiful, fragrant flowers. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 11:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Obbajeeba, IMHO you're a genius here. And I love how sweet you were to > Nabby even though you were so upset with him. Huh ? You obviously did't read the thread Share
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > Thank you, Share, for the welcoming party. I wish we had one. Could you imagine us all sitting in a reality tv room together, each hitting our keys as we sit in a large circle peering over laptops, eyebrows raised, glasses wiped, and the occasional foot kicking the air then slapping the ground, when someone writes something we did not like? That's a funny picture!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVx56VwLUlU You never told me those words before, Nabby. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > > > > > > Nabby, > > > > Do you remember the girl(s) is school or in your neighborhood who would hit > > you in your arm? > > No > > > ...or they would say to you, "Shut up!" > > > Do you not remember that far back? > > Yes > > > Do you remember what people would say about those girls? > > "She likes, you. That is why she hits you." > > Never mind.. > > Still think you are rude. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > > > Nabby, > > Do you remember the girl(s) is school or in your neighborhood who would hit > you in your arm? No > ...or they would say to you, "Shut up!" > Do you not remember that far back? Yes > Do you remember what people would say about those girls? > "She likes, you. That is why she hits you." > Never mind.. Still think you are rude.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
Nabby, Do you remember the girl(s) is school or in your neighborhood who would hit you in your arm? ...or they would say to you, "Shut up!" Do you not remember that far back? Do you remember what people would say about those girls? "She likes, you. That is why she hits you." Never mind.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > Obbajeeba, IMHO you're a genius here. And I love how sweet you were to > > Nabby even though you were so upset with him. > > Huh ? You obviously did't read the thread Share >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Obbajeeba, IMHO you're a genius here. And I love how sweet you were to > Nabby even though you were so upset with him. Huh ? You obviously did't read the thread Share
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
> > > Look, Bevan's anti-saint axiom on this is that meditators who go to see saints may confuse other people who are seeing them thus about the sufficiency and effectiveness of TM altogether. This is matter of faith. And II, that these meditators should be hunt down as fugitives and punished also as a matter of faith by removal or refusal of Dome meditation badges. Of course a long problem with Bevan's axiom is that most of the meditating community does not believe it or take it as a matter of faith. That leaves Bevan and a few people around him by themselves as the inner movement. Hence the TM anti-saint faithful inside vs. the practitioner meditator movement. It's a bad civil war about faith in axiom. > Visiting Saints and Runaway Meditators By Guideline It is Illegal to: Willingly obstruct, hinder, or prevent from arrest fugitives from the meditation group. It is Illegal to: Rescue, or attempt to rescue, fugitives from the Dome meditation for having visited or sat with saints, holy mahatmas, or wise people , from the custody of such claim as this course office may have. It is Illegal to: Aid, abet, or assist such persons so owing service or labor of meditation, directly or indirectly, to escape from such claim. It is Illegal to: Harbor or conceal meditator fugitives from service or meditation, so as to prevent the discovery and arrest of such persons, after notice or knowledge of the fact that such persons are fugitive from service or meditation. Penalty of Law: For either of said criminal offences, offenders shall be subject to administrative review and the loss of Dome meditation privileges by indictment and conviction and pay, by way of civil damages to the parties injured by such illegal conduct, the sum of one thousand dollars for each fugitive from meditation so lost to be recovered by action of debt. "Let us put a stop to meditator stealing by other saints!" > > > > > > > > > > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation policy guidelines to host TM'ers known to have visited Saints? Aiding or abetting these meditators by giving them shelter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Prime Minister has not rescinded his Anti-Saint Dome meditation policy yet. > > > > > > > > What? Families caught hosting fugitive TM meditators who went to visit saints will be punished by the Dome Course Office? By Bevan? > > > > > > > > Yep, harboring fugitives from the TM movement. It should cost a host family to lose their own Dome badges for helping these fugitives from the TM movement get in to the Domes to meditate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A "Host Program" has been inspired by the current situation with the IAA Settle Grant. We hope to facilitate connecting current IAA participants with a Host during this transitional time and to inspire a new generation of IAA participants to be able to attend for either short (month long) or longer terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > A "match up" description for any Sidha who has a room in their home that would be available for at least one month will be created. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation policy guidelines to host TM'ers known to have visited Saints? Aiding or abetting these meditators by giving them shelter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan you would think so, this would be reasonable for the people who have already been taught the sidhis technique. But no. A stunning moment in the meeting was their announcement there would be re-fresher meetings about practicing the technique but in the same breath you'd need a Dome badge first to go to the meetings. Catch-22. > > > > > > > See: > > > > > > > http://applicantqv.blogspot.com/2012/03/yogic-flying-tm-banned-from-dome\ s.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's an idea, an experiment: Have a 4 week period where anyone who ever got the siddhis can come and fly in the Domes. The TMO could give out special colored badges in advance. No background checks or eliminating a person because they saw another saint etc. Just anyone can come, everyone very welcome, fly in to town for this, if need be. A really welcoming, genuine atmosphere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, see how it goes for those 4 weeks - Maybe things would improve in some way: more people would attend, the energy in the Domes would be more powerful. Even maybe it would inspire those attending to come regularly again. And Maybe the TMO would see it was all so wonderful and created such goodwill that they would drop the restrictions in the future. It would be an experiment. And it is a way to see, really, if there are "enough" people around still wanting to do program in the Domes in Fairfield, Iowa. Heck, even Rick would be admitted. At the least, it would be a fun social time, and at best a real motivator for people to do pro
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
Oh Share, I must say, I share, and share similar identities somewhere on this earth or in cyberspace, just spelled differently. The same sentiments towards you, and all the others here on FFL. (Said that truthfully and also to make sure Auth feels comfy.) I love reading this group, we all make the most perfect Club Hedonism. How can I not lick back at a kind gesture? How can I not pick the fleas off your back? It is this board, special FFL Board, some of the greatest posters that inspire me. You know what it is like? A good looking man (or a woman to others) one is attracted to, can be very handsome, but in bed, a big fat Yoni Zero. Or one can find a handsome man (or a woman) and get to know him (pfft, or her) better and feel all the ecstasy of the momentary love of specialness. Share, all I type is bull shit. Nothing special. Just the light humor I feel once I read some of the long articulated advanced bullshit others type out, you can be guaranteed, I am the same in person as on this board. Some others would have to sneak a peak at their online dictionaries, thesaurus, and spell check on their iphones, ipads, and sticky notes to keep up with their own same conversations in live person (as on their persona FFL) and most likely would sit quiet and keep to the word, "Hello." Until they get back online to FFL then the avalanche of orgasmic foreplay begins again. Drying us out sometimes! haha I am now quite not long winded as many here, (I enjoy FFL's continual feed) just a big clump of cow dung smashed into a chapati. Thank you, Share, for the welcoming party. I wish we had one. Could you imagine us all sitting in a reality tv room together, each hitting our keys as we sit in a large circle peering over laptops, eyebrows raised, glasses wiped, and the occasional foot kicking the air then slapping the ground, when someone writes something we did not like? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Obbajeeba, IMHO you're a genius here. And I love how sweet you were to > Nabby even though you were so upset with him. So many of your posts had me > laughing or just smiling these past few days. I liked what you said to MJ > about the TMO. All in all, what a funny phrase, I'm glad you're back and > hope you can stay a good while. I wish I could say all this as funnily as > you would, but got to say it anyway. > > > > > > From: obbajeeba > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 10:05 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at > MUM Fairfield > > > >  > Confession father, I have sinned. > > St. Nicholas, he brings me gifts and I pray to him at Christmas time, so I > can get more presents. > > St. Luke, took care of my husband when he was ill. > > St. Patrick, heh, green beer all the way! (only since I decided to add the > medicinal benefits of alcohol into my diet every now and then. > > St. Jude, I gave money to one or two times. Been to that hospital to visit > sick people before. > > St. Mathews, um, shh can't talk about that one. > > St. Florian, good strawberry festival. > > St. Bartholomew, forgot how to spell his name, we called him St. Bart's as > kids. > > St. New Orleans, or is that New Orlean Saints, > Been there DONE that. heh. > > Saint Catherine, oh, she is not going to be happy with me, but I saw him > first! > > Saint Francis, when I met him, he seemed like a nice guy, but didn't tell me > he was married until it was too late! Idiot. > > Someone pray for me, because I am going to hell because I may have made > statements here that are not acceptablecan I go back in the dome now? > Pleaase? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Look, Bevan's anti-saint axiom on this is that meditators who go to see > > > saints may confuse other people who are seeing them thus about the > > > sufficiency and effectiveness of TM altogether. This is matter of faith. > > > And II, that these meditators should be hunt down as fugitives and > > > punished also as a matter of faith by removal or refusal of Dome > > > meditation badges. Of course a long problem with Bevan's axiom is that > > > most of the meditating community does not believe it or take it as a > > > matter of faith. That leaves Bevan and a few people around him by > > > themselves as the inner movement. Hence the TM anti-saint faithful inside > > > vs. the pract
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
Obbajeeba, IMHO you're a genius here. And I love how sweet you were to Nabby even though you were so upset with him. So many of your posts had me laughing or just smiling these past few days. I liked what you said to MJ about the TMO. All in all, what a funny phrase, I'm glad you're back and hope you can stay a good while. I wish I could say all this as funnily as you would, but got to say it anyway. From: obbajeeba To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 10:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield Confession father, I have sinned. St. Nicholas, he brings me gifts and I pray to him at Christmas time, so I can get more presents. St. Luke, took care of my husband when he was ill. St. Patrick, heh, green beer all the way! (only since I decided to add the medicinal benefits of alcohol into my diet every now and then. St. Jude, I gave money to one or two times. Been to that hospital to visit sick people before. St. Mathews, um, shh can't talk about that one. St. Florian, good strawberry festival. St. Bartholomew, forgot how to spell his name, we called him St. Bart's as kids. St. New Orleans, or is that New Orlean Saints, Been there DONE that. heh. Saint Catherine, oh, she is not going to be happy with me, but I saw him first! Saint Francis, when I met him, he seemed like a nice guy, but didn't tell me he was married until it was too late! Idiot. Someone pray for me, because I am going to hell because I may have made statements here that are not acceptablecan I go back in the dome now? Pleaase? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > Look, Bevan's anti-saint axiom on this is that meditators who go to see > > saints may confuse other people who are seeing them thus about the > > sufficiency and effectiveness of TM altogether. This is matter of faith. > > And II, that these meditators should be hunt down as fugitives and punished > > also as a matter of faith by removal or refusal of Dome meditation badges. > > Of course a long problem with Bevan's axiom is that most of the meditating > > community does not believe it or take it as a matter of faith. That leaves > > Bevan and a few people around him by themselves as the inner movement. > > Hence the TM anti-saint faithful inside vs. the practitioner meditator > > movement. It's a bad civil war about faith in axiom. > > Buck, just how does the TMO define 'a Saint'? > Or suppose a Catholic meditator took courses from priests in some kind of > meditation, some kind of contemplation. > Or a Buddhist who visits a Buddhist monestery? > > How do they define the lines that are crossed? > > Personally I am not interested in saints. But suppose I read a book by one? > For example, I have a book called the Dark Night of the Soul by St. John of > the Cross. Not a Hindu saint of course. Sometimes I skim through books by > Krishnamurti. >
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This is the true and simple fix Ann, but one that would be impossible for the Dome-ers to implement cuz it would require them to acknowledge that their beloved Marshy was no saint either and they jist can't stand that thought! From: Ann To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 11:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > Look, Bevan's anti-saint axiom on this is that meditators who go to see > saints may confuse other people who are seeing them thus about the > sufficiency and effectiveness of TM altogether. This is matter of faith. > And II, that these meditators should be hunt down as fugitives and punished > also as a matter of faith by removal or refusal of Dome meditation badges. > Of course a long problem with Bevan's axiom is that most of the meditating > community does not believe it or take it as a matter of faith. That leaves > Bevan and a few people around him by themselves as the inner movement. Hence > the TM anti-saint faithful inside vs. the practitioner meditator movement. > It's a bad civil war about faith in axiom. Well, I think all of this kerfuffle could be easily solved if you would all just realize THERE ARE NO SUCH THINGS AS SAINTS. Just face that fact and stop giving this exalted status to other humans and be done with it. What the fuck can "saints" DO for anyone? Why in the hell (oh dear, I said "hell" in the same paragraph as "saints") does anyone seek out something that is called a "saint". Do saints refer to themselves as "saints" or just others who go to find saints call them that? Do these saints have those little halos above their heads that look like pizza plates or what distinguishing features do these folks possess so that others can identify them as such? So many questions, so few answers. > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation policy > > > > > guidelines to host TM'ers known to have visited Saints? Aiding or > > > > > abetting these meditators by giving them shelter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Prime Minister has not rescinded his Anti-Saint Dome meditation > > > > policy yet. > > > > > > > > What? Families caught hosting fugitive TM meditators who went to visit > > saints will be punished by the Dome Course Office? By Bevan? > > > > > > > > Yep, harboring fugitives from the TM movement. It should cost a host > > > family to lose their own Dome badges for helping these fugitives from the > > > TM movement get in to the Domes to meditate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A "Host Program" has been inspired by the current situation with > > > > > > the IAA Settle Grant. We hope to facilitate connecting current IAA > > > > > > participants with a Host during this transitional time and to > > > > > > inspire a new generation of IAA participants to be able to attend > > > > > > for either short (month long) or longer terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > A "match up" description for any Sidha who has a room in their home > > > > > > that would be available for at least one month will be created. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation policy > > > > > guidelines to host TM'ers known to have visited Saints? Aiding or > > > > > abetting these meditators by giving them shelter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan you would think so, this would be reasonable for the people > > > > > > > who have already been taught the sidhis technique. But no. A > > > > > > > stunning moment in the meeting was their announcement there would > > > > > > > be re-fresher meetings about practicing the technique but in the > > > > > > > same breath you'd need a Dome badge first to go to the meetings. > > > > > > > Catch-22. > > > > > > > See: > > > > > > > http://applicantqv.blogspot.com/2012/03/yogic-flying-tm-banned-from-domes.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > > Confession father, I have sinned. > > St. Nicholas, he brings me gifts and I pray to him at Christmas time, so I > can get more presents. > > St. Luke, took care of my husband when he was ill. > > St. Patrick, heh, green beer all the way! (only since I decided to add the > medicinal benefits of alcohol into my diet every now and then. > > St. Jude, I gave money to one or two times. Been to that hospital to visit > sick people before. > > St. Mathews, um, shh can't talk about that one. > > St. Florian, good strawberry festival. > > St. Bartholomew, forgot how to spell his name, we called him St. Bart's as > kids. > > St. New Orleans, or is that New Orlean Saints, > Been there DONE that. heh. > > Saint Catherine, oh, she is not going to be happy with me, but I saw him > first! > > Saint Francis, when I met him, he seemed like a nice guy, but didn't tell me > he was married until it was too late! Idiot. > > Someone pray for me, because I am going to hell because I may have made > statements here that are not acceptablecan I go back in the dome now? > Pleaase? NEVER!!! I hereby banish you to doing program all by yourself in the insidious morass that is obviously your lot, your life. Begone with you heretic. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Look, Bevan's anti-saint axiom on this is that meditators who go to see > > > saints may confuse other people who are seeing them thus about the > > > sufficiency and effectiveness of TM altogether. This is matter of faith. > > > And II, that these meditators should be hunt down as fugitives and > > > punished also as a matter of faith by removal or refusal of Dome > > > meditation badges. Of course a long problem with Bevan's axiom is that > > > most of the meditating community does not believe it or take it as a > > > matter of faith. That leaves Bevan and a few people around him by > > > themselves as the inner movement. Hence the TM anti-saint faithful inside > > > vs. the practitioner meditator movement. It's a bad civil war about > > > faith in axiom. > > > > Buck, just how does the TMO define 'a Saint'? > > Or suppose a Catholic meditator took courses from priests in some kind of > > meditation, some kind of contemplation. > > Or a Buddhist who visits a Buddhist monestery? > > > > How do they define the lines that are crossed? > > > > Personally I am not interested in saints. But suppose I read a book by one? > > For example, I have a book called the Dark Night of the Soul by St. John of > > the Cross. Not a Hindu saint of course. Sometimes I skim through books by > > Krishnamurti. > > >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > Look, Bevan's anti-saint axiom on this is that meditators who go to see > saints may confuse other people who are seeing them thus about the > sufficiency and effectiveness of TM altogether. This is matter of faith. > And II, that these meditators should be hunt down as fugitives and punished > also as a matter of faith by removal or refusal of Dome meditation badges. > Of course a long problem with Bevan's axiom is that most of the meditating > community does not believe it or take it as a matter of faith. That leaves > Bevan and a few people around him by themselves as the inner movement. Hence > the TM anti-saint faithful inside vs. the practitioner meditator movement. > It's a bad civil war about faith in axiom. Well, I think all of this kerfuffle could be easily solved if you would all just realize THERE ARE NO SUCH THINGS AS SAINTS. Just face that fact and stop giving this exalted status to other humans and be done with it. What the fuck can "saints" DO for anyone? Why in the hell (oh dear, I said "hell" in the same paragraph as "saints") does anyone seek out something that is called a "saint". Do saints refer to themselves as "saints" or just others who go to find saints call them that? Do these saints have those little halos above their heads that look like pizza plates or what distinguishing features do these folks possess so that others can identify them as such? So many questions, so few answers. > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation policy > > > > > guidelines to host TM'ers known to have visited Saints? Aiding or > > > > > abetting these meditators by giving them shelter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Prime Minister has not rescinded his Anti-Saint Dome meditation > > > > policy yet. > > > > > > > > What? Families caught hosting fugitive TM meditators who went to visit > > saints will be punished by the Dome Course Office? By Bevan? > > > > > > > > Yep, harboring fugitives from the TM movement. It should cost a host > > > family to lose their own Dome badges for helping these fugitives from the > > > TM movement get in to the Domes to meditate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A "Host Program" has been inspired by the current situation with > > > > > > the IAA Settle Grant. We hope to facilitate connecting current IAA > > > > > > participants with a Host during this transitional time and to > > > > > > inspire a new generation of IAA participants to be able to attend > > > > > > for either short (month long) or longer terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > A "match up" description for any Sidha who has a room in their home > > > > > > that would be available for at least one month will be created. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation policy > > > > > guidelines to host TM'ers known to have visited Saints? Aiding or > > > > > abetting these meditators by giving them shelter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan you would think so, this would be reasonable for the people > > > > > > > who have already been taught the sidhis technique. But no. A > > > > > > > stunning moment in the meeting was their announcement there would > > > > > > > be re-fresher meetings about practicing the technique but in the > > > > > > > same breath you'd need a Dome badge first to go to the meetings. > > > > > > > Catch-22. > > > > > > > See: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://applicantqv.blogspot.com/2012/03/yogic-flying-tm-banned-from-domes.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's an idea, an experiment: Have a 4 week period where > > > > > > > > anyone who ever got the siddhis can come and fly in the Domes. > > > > > > > > The TMO could give out special colored badges in advance. No > > > > > > > > background checks or eliminating a person because they saw > > > > > > > > another saint etc. Just anyone can come, everyone very > > > > > > > > welcome, fly in to town for this, if need be. A really > > > > > > > > welcoming, genuine atmosphere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, see how it goes for those 4 weeks - Maybe things would > > > > > > > > improve in some way: more people would attend, the energy in > > > > > > > > the Domes would be more powerful. Even maybe it would inspire > > > > > > > > those attending to come regularly again. And Maybe the TMO > > > > > > > > would see it was all so wonderful and created such goodwill > > > > > > > > that they would drop the restrictions in the future. It would > > > > > > > > be an experiment. And it is a way to see, really, if there are > > > > > > > > "enough" people around still wanting to do program in the Domes > > > > > > > > in Fairfield, Iowa. Heck, even Rick would be admitted. At
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Confession father, I have sinned. St. Nicholas, he brings me gifts and I pray to him at Christmas time, so I can get more presents. St. Luke, took care of my husband when he was ill. St. Patrick, heh, green beer all the way! (only since I decided to add the medicinal benefits of alcohol into my diet every now and then. St. Jude, I gave money to one or two times. Been to that hospital to visit sick people before. St. Mathews, um, shh can't talk about that one. St. Florian, good strawberry festival. St. Bartholomew, forgot how to spell his name, we called him St. Bart's as kids. St. New Orleans, or is that New Orlean Saints, Been there DONE that. heh. Saint Catherine, oh, she is not going to be happy with me, but I saw him first! Saint Francis, when I met him, he seemed like a nice guy, but didn't tell me he was married until it was too late! Idiot. Someone pray for me, because I am going to hell because I may have made statements here that are not acceptablecan I go back in the dome now? Pleaase? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > Look, Bevan's anti-saint axiom on this is that meditators who go to see > > saints may confuse other people who are seeing them thus about the > > sufficiency and effectiveness of TM altogether. This is matter of faith. > > And II, that these meditators should be hunt down as fugitives and punished > > also as a matter of faith by removal or refusal of Dome meditation badges. > > Of course a long problem with Bevan's axiom is that most of the meditating > > community does not believe it or take it as a matter of faith. That leaves > > Bevan and a few people around him by themselves as the inner movement. > > Hence the TM anti-saint faithful inside vs. the practitioner meditator > > movement. It's a bad civil war about faith in axiom. > > Buck, just how does the TMO define 'a Saint'? > Or suppose a Catholic meditator took courses from priests in some kind of > meditation, some kind of contemplation. > Or a Buddhist who visits a Buddhist monestery? > > How do they define the lines that are crossed? > > Personally I am not interested in saints. But suppose I read a book by one? > For example, I have a book called the Dark Night of the Soul by St. John of > the Cross. Not a Hindu saint of course. Sometimes I skim through books by > Krishnamurti. >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > Look, Bevan's anti-saint axiom on this is that meditators who go to see > saints may confuse other people who are seeing them thus about the > sufficiency and effectiveness of TM altogether. This is matter of faith. > And II, that these meditators should be hunt down as fugitives and punished > also as a matter of faith by removal or refusal of Dome meditation badges. > Of course a long problem with Bevan's axiom is that most of the meditating > community does not believe it or take it as a matter of faith. That leaves > Bevan and a few people around him by themselves as the inner movement. Hence > the TM anti-saint faithful inside vs. the practitioner meditator movement. > It's a bad civil war about faith in axiom. Buck, just how does the TMO define 'a Saint'? Or suppose a Catholic meditator took courses from priests in some kind of meditation, some kind of contemplation. Or a Buddhist who visits a Buddhist monestery? How do they define the lines that are crossed? Personally I am not interested in saints. But suppose I read a book by one? For example, I have a book called the Dark Night of the Soul by St. John of the Cross. Not a Hindu saint of course. Sometimes I skim through books by Krishnamurti.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
Look, Bevan's anti-saint axiom on this is that meditators who go to see saints may confuse other people who are seeing them thus about the sufficiency and effectiveness of TM altogether. This is matter of faith. And II, that these meditators should be hunt down as fugitives and punished also as a matter of faith by removal or refusal of Dome meditation badges. Of course a long problem with Bevan's axiom is that most of the meditating community does not believe it or take it as a matter of faith. That leaves Bevan and a few people around him by themselves as the inner movement. Hence the TM anti-saint faithful inside vs. the practitioner meditator movement. It's a bad civil war about faith in axiom. > > > > > > > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation policy > > > > guidelines to host TM'ers known to have visited Saints? Aiding or > > > > abetting these meditators by giving them shelter? > > > > > > > > > > The Prime Minister has not rescinded his Anti-Saint Dome meditation > > > policy yet. > > > > > What? Families caught hosting fugitive TM meditators who went to visit > saints will be punished by the Dome Course Office? By Bevan? > > > > > Yep, harboring fugitives from the TM movement. It should cost a host > > family to lose their own Dome badges for helping these fugitives from the > > TM movement get in to the Domes to meditate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A "Host Program" has been inspired by the current situation with the > > > > > IAA Settle Grant. We hope to facilitate connecting current IAA > > > > > participants with a Host during this transitional time and to inspire > > > > > a new generation of IAA participants to be able to attend for either > > > > > short (month long) or longer terms. > > > > > > > > > > A "match up" description for any Sidha who has a room in their home > > > > > that would be available for at least one month will be created. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation policy > > > > guidelines to host TM'ers known to have visited Saints? Aiding or > > > > abetting these meditators by giving them shelter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan you would think so, this would be reasonable for the people > > > > > > who have already been taught the sidhis technique. But no. A > > > > > > stunning moment in the meeting was their announcement there would > > > > > > be re-fresher meetings about practicing the technique but in the > > > > > > same breath you'd need a Dome badge first to go to the meetings. > > > > > > Catch-22. > > > > > > See: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://applicantqv.blogspot.com/2012/03/yogic-flying-tm-banned-from-domes.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's an idea, an experiment: Have a 4 week period where anyone > > > > > > > who ever got the siddhis can come and fly in the Domes. The TMO > > > > > > > could give out special colored badges in advance. No background > > > > > > > checks or eliminating a person because they saw another saint > > > > > > > etc. Just anyone can come, everyone very welcome, fly in to town > > > > > > > for this, if need be. A really welcoming, genuine atmosphere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, see how it goes for those 4 weeks - Maybe things would > > > > > > > improve in some way: more people would attend, the energy in the > > > > > > > Domes would be more powerful. Even maybe it would inspire those > > > > > > > attending to come regularly again. And Maybe the TMO would see > > > > > > > it was all so wonderful and created such goodwill that they would > > > > > > > drop the restrictions in the future. It would be an experiment. > > > > > > > And it is a way to see, really, if there are "enough" people > > > > > > > around still wanting to do program in the Domes in Fairfield, > > > > > > > Iowa. Heck, even Rick would be admitted. At the least, it would > > > > > > > be a fun social time, and at best a real motivator for people to > > > > > > > do program in the Domes. I like to think that MMY himself would > > > > > > > go for this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Son, you were not here so don't just assume things but yes your > > > > > > > > advice below is good and true about the fourth estate below. > > > > > > > > That is also how things get done around here. Obviously they > > > > > > > > read this page and others about themselves and can move in ways > > > > > > > > accordingly. The meeting was a TM movement style public > > > > > > > > meeting where they control the stage seats and microphones in > > > > > > > > their way of decorum. Very top-down with the authority up front > > > > > > > > in the stuffed chairs with the mics. We're an extrem
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> > > > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation policy > > > guidelines to host TM'ers known to have visited Saints? Aiding or > > > abetting these meditators by giving them shelter? > > > > > > > The Prime Minister has not rescinded his Anti-Saint Dome meditation policy > > yet. > > What? Families caught hosting fugitive TM meditators who went to visit saints will be punished by the Dome Course Office? By Bevan? > > Yep, harboring fugitives from the TM movement. It should cost a host family > to lose their own Dome badges for helping these fugitives from the TM > movement get in to the Domes to meditate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A "Host Program" has been inspired by the current situation with the > > > > IAA Settle Grant. We hope to facilitate connecting current IAA > > > > participants with a Host during this transitional time and to inspire a > > > > new generation of IAA participants to be able to attend for either > > > > short (month long) or longer terms. > > > > > > > > A "match up" description for any Sidha who has a room in their home > > > > that would be available for at least one month will be created. > > > > > > > > > > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation policy > > > guidelines to host TM'ers known to have visited Saints? Aiding or > > > abetting these meditators by giving them shelter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan you would think so, this would be reasonable for the people who > > > > > have already been taught the sidhis technique. But no. A stunning > > > > > moment in the meeting was their announcement there would be > > > > > re-fresher meetings about practicing the technique but in the same > > > > > breath you'd need a Dome badge first to go to the meetings. > > > > > Catch-22. > > > > > See: > > > > > > > > > > http://applicantqv.blogspot.com/2012/03/yogic-flying-tm-banned-from-domes.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's an idea, an experiment: Have a 4 week period where anyone > > > > > > who ever got the siddhis can come and fly in the Domes. The TMO > > > > > > could give out special colored badges in advance. No background > > > > > > checks or eliminating a person because they saw another saint etc. > > > > > > Just anyone can come, everyone very welcome, fly in to town for > > > > > > this, if need be. A really welcoming, genuine atmosphere. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, see how it goes for those 4 weeks - Maybe things would > > > > > > improve in some way: more people would attend, the energy in the > > > > > > Domes would be more powerful. Even maybe it would inspire those > > > > > > attending to come regularly again. And Maybe the TMO would see it > > > > > > was all so wonderful and created such goodwill that they would drop > > > > > > the restrictions in the future. It would be an experiment. And it > > > > > > is a way to see, really, if there are "enough" people around still > > > > > > wanting to do program in the Domes in Fairfield, Iowa. Heck, even > > > > > > Rick would be admitted. At the least, it would be a fun social > > > > > > time, and at best a real motivator for people to do program in the > > > > > > Domes. I like to think that MMY himself would go for this. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Son, you were not here so don't just assume things but yes your > > > > > > > advice below is good and true about the fourth estate below. > > > > > > > That is also how things get done around here. Obviously they > > > > > > > read this page and others about themselves and can move in ways > > > > > > > accordingly. The meeting was a TM movement style public meeting > > > > > > > where they control the stage seats and microphones in their way > > > > > > > of decorum. Very top-down with the authority up front in the > > > > > > > stuffed chairs with the mics. We're an extremely verbal group, > > > > > > > but. When the mics were opened up a bunch of people lined up for > > > > > > > the floor mics and the line got worked through. Mostly sincere > > > > > > > people and some aggravated people too get up thinking to solve > > > > > > > the problem in little ways. A couple good new ideas come but > > > > > > > nothing of fundamental change offered. Not many people from in > > > > > > > the town. Mostly concerned earnest faith-based kind of movement > > > > > > > people who are not really going to jeopardize their access to > > > > > > > everything by speaking out much truth to power. Though as soon > > > > > > > as the meeting is over folks are talking to one another about > > > > > > > real things. The enforced steady decorum of the moderated mic > > > > > > > was not really about discussion. Just quick consideration of one > > > > > > > point per and the p
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: I could come up with a better plan to enlighten the world then "they" have. Whatever happened to the idea of you getting some help with medication from DrPeter ?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
As we see, Nabby is dodging the question. He knows damn good and well he would not only never be allowed in the Domes again, but would no longer be allowed on any rounding courses at all because of following his master Benjy and Ascended Company, yet he can't stand the thought that the Aryan Nation of Purity type mentality they have in the TMO is not the just and correct thing to do, so he avoids the issue altogether. And as far as the "Masters" coming round to hep us out, yeah we see what a glorious Age of Enlightenment Huckster Marshy ushered in where Monsanto is taking over the worlds food supply, drinking water is becoming a power commodity controlled by huge corporations, governments are for sale to the highest bidder, pollution is getting worse, oh Jai Guru Marshy! The truth is there ain't no Age of E and the purity of the teaching and Dome restrictions are holdover homages to Marshy's big fat ego. He wanted people to think of him in exactly the way you do Nabby. And by the way, if there is a group of "Masters" who are gonna "teach" us, they are doing a piss poor job of setting things up. I could come up with a better plan to enlighten the world then "they" have. Don't forget I spent 26 years with the Ascended Master schtick. AT BEST all the channeling is just some other dimensional self of the channel - at best. Ain't nobody, no Galactic Brotherhood, no Ascended Master Great White Brotherhoood or nothing else gone come down to earth and "save" us. If its gonna get done, its up to us. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > Nabby, the only way to know for sure is for you to call the course office in > FAirfield and ask if they would let you in the Dome if you follow and see > Benj Creme. My bet is that they would say No, you cannot do program in the > Domes. I was a year in Fairfield. In winther it was too much cold, in summer much too hot. If I visit your beautiful country again it will most probably be Hawai :-) > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Alex Stanley > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 3:48 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors > > > Assembly at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > They only seem to have a problem with competing Indian woo. > > Euro-Anglo-Australo-woo is apparently not on their radar. > > > > I'm not a woo-specialist, but if there is any woo going on with Mr. > > Benjamin Creme it is most probably Euro-Anglo-Tibetano. What categhory > > would that fall into ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > Nabby, the only way to know for sure is for you to call the course office in > FAirfield and ask if they would let you in the Dome if you follow and see > Benj Creme. My bet is that they would say No, you cannot do program in the > Domes. I was a year in Fairfield. In winther it was too much cold, in summer much too hot. If I visit your beautiful country again it will most probably be Hawai :-) > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Alex Stanley > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 3:48 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors > > > Assembly at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > They only seem to have a problem with competing Indian woo. > > Euro-Anglo-Australo-woo is apparently not on their radar. > > > > I'm not a woo-specialist, but if there is any woo going on with Mr. > > Benjamin Creme it is most probably Euro-Anglo-Tibetano. What categhory > > would that fall into ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
Nabby, the only way to know for sure is for you to call the course office in FAirfield and ask if they would let you in the Dome if you follow and see Benj Creme. My bet is that they would say No, you cannot do program in the Domes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > From: Alex Stanley > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 3:48 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly > > at MUM Fairfield > > > They only seem to have a problem with competing Indian woo. > Euro-Anglo-Australo-woo is apparently not on their radar. > > I'm not a woo-specialist, but if there is any woo going on with Mr. Benjamin > Creme it is most probably Euro-Anglo-Tibetan. What categhory would that fall > into ? >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
> From: Alex Stanley > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 3:48 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at > MUM Fairfield They only seem to have a problem with competing Indian woo. Euro-Anglo-Australo-woo is apparently not on their radar. I'm not a woo-specialist, but if there is any woo going on with Mr. Benjamin Creme it is most probably Euro-Anglo-Tibetan. What categhory would that fall into ?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
As you know Alex I was directing the question to Nabby since he seems to hold Benji in the same awe and esteem he holds for Marshy. So on the one hand he has stated clearly he believes only Aryan-like True Believers practicing faithfully the one and only True TMSP in the Domes, and yet he believes in Benjy Creme and Maitrea myth - so if people are flocking to Benjy, should they also be allowed in the Domes? From: Alex Stanley To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 3:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield They only seem to have a problem with competing Indian woo. Euro-Anglo-Australo-woo is apparently not on their radar. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > Do you think people should be barred from the Domes for going to an event > with Benjamin Creme? > > > > > > From: nablusoss1008 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 12:00 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at > MUM Fairfield > > > > Â > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > The Prime Minister has not rescinded his Anti-Saint Dome meditation policy > > yet. > > And hopefully never will. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
They only seem to have a problem with competing Indian woo. Euro-Anglo-Australo-woo is apparently not on their radar. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > Do you think people should be barred from the Domes for going to an event > with Benjamin Creme? > > > > > > From: nablusoss1008 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 12:00 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at > MUM Fairfield > > > > Â > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > The Prime Minister has not rescinded his Anti-Saint Dome meditation policy > > yet. > > And hopefully never will. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
Do you think people should be barred from the Domes for going to an event with Benjamin Creme? From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 12:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > The Prime Minister has not rescinded his Anti-Saint Dome meditation policy > yet. And hopefully never will.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > The Prime Minister has not rescinded his Anti-Saint Dome meditation policy > yet. And hopefully never will.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
> > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation policy guidelines > > to host TM'ers known to have visited Saints? Aiding or abetting these > > meditators by giving them shelter? > > > > The Prime Minister has not rescinded his Anti-Saint Dome meditation policy > yet. > Yep, harboring fugitives from the TM movement. It should cost a host family to lose their own Dome badges for helping these fugitives from the TM movement get in to the Domes to meditate. > > > > > > > > > > A "Host Program" has been inspired by the current situation with the IAA > > > Settle Grant. We hope to facilitate connecting current IAA participants > > > with a Host during this transitional time and to inspire a new generation > > > of IAA participants to be able to attend for either short (month long) or > > > longer terms. > > > > > > A "match up" description for any Sidha who has a room in their home that > > > would be available for at least one month will be created. > > > > > > > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation policy guidelines > > to host TM'ers known to have visited Saints? Aiding or abetting these > > meditators by giving them shelter? > > > > > > > > > > Susan you would think so, this would be reasonable for the people who > > > > have already been taught the sidhis technique. But no. A stunning > > > > moment in the meeting was their announcement there would be re-fresher > > > > meetings about practicing the technique but in the same breath you'd > > > > need a Dome badge first to go to the meetings. Catch-22. > > > > See: > > > > > > > > http://applicantqv.blogspot.com/2012/03/yogic-flying-tm-banned-from-domes.html > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Here's an idea, an experiment: Have a 4 week period where anyone who > > > > > ever got the siddhis can come and fly in the Domes. The TMO could > > > > > give out special colored badges in advance. No background checks or > > > > > eliminating a person because they saw another saint etc. Just anyone > > > > > can come, everyone very welcome, fly in to town for this, if need be. > > > > > A really welcoming, genuine atmosphere. > > > > > > > > > > Then, see how it goes for those 4 weeks - Maybe things would improve > > > > > in some way: more people would attend, the energy in the Domes would > > > > > be more powerful. Even maybe it would inspire those attending to > > > > > come regularly again. And Maybe the TMO would see it was all so > > > > > wonderful and created such goodwill that they would drop the > > > > > restrictions in the future. It would be an experiment. And it is a > > > > > way to see, really, if there are "enough" people around still wanting > > > > > to do program in the Domes in Fairfield, Iowa. Heck, even Rick would > > > > > be admitted. At the least, it would be a fun social time, and at > > > > > best a real motivator for people to do program in the Domes. I like > > > > > to think that MMY himself would go for this. > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Son, you were not here so don't just assume things but yes your > > > > > > advice below is good and true about the fourth estate below. That > > > > > > is also how things get done around here. Obviously they read this > > > > > > page and others about themselves and can move in ways accordingly. > > > > > > The meeting was a TM movement style public meeting where they > > > > > > control the stage seats and microphones in their way of decorum. > > > > > > Very top-down with the authority up front in the stuffed chairs > > > > > > with the mics. We're an extremely verbal group, but. When the > > > > > > mics were opened up a bunch of people lined up for the floor mics > > > > > > and the line got worked through. Mostly sincere people and some > > > > > > aggravated people too get up thinking to solve the problem in > > > > > > little ways. A couple good new ideas come but nothing of > > > > > > fundamental change offered. Not many people from in the town. > > > > > > Mostly concerned earnest faith-based kind of movement people who > > > > > > are not really going to jeopardize their access to everything by > > > > > > speaking out much truth to power. Though as soon as the meeting is > > > > > > over folks are talking to one another about real things. The > > > > > > enforced steady decorum of the moderated mic was not really about > > > > > > discussion. Just quick consideration of one point per and the > > > > > > point would be referred to further consideration in some groups. > > > > > > Mayor Malloy as a meditator did do an excellent job of moderating > > > > > > the usual community crazies too who get up to any open mics in any > > > > > > public meeting. After a while they announced the last comment as > > > > > > the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
The Prime Minister has not rescinded his Anti-Saint Dome meditation policy yet. > > > > > > A "Host Program" has been inspired by the current situation with the IAA > > Settle Grant. We hope to facilitate connecting current IAA participants > > with a Host during this transitional time and to inspire a new generation > > of IAA participants to be able to attend for either short (month long) or > > longer terms. > > > > A "match up" description for any Sidha who has a room in their home that > > would be available for at least one month will be created. > > > > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation policy guidelines to > host TM'ers known to have visited Saints? Aiding or abetting these > meditators by giving them shelter? > > > > > > > Susan you would think so, this would be reasonable for the people who > > > have already been taught the sidhis technique. But no. A stunning > > > moment in the meeting was their announcement there would be re-fresher > > > meetings about practicing the technique but in the same breath you'd need > > > a Dome badge first to go to the meetings. Catch-22. > > > See: > > > > > > http://applicantqv.blogspot.com/2012/03/yogic-flying-tm-banned-from-domes.html > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > Here's an idea, an experiment: Have a 4 week period where anyone who > > > > ever got the siddhis can come and fly in the Domes. The TMO could give > > > > out special colored badges in advance. No background checks or > > > > eliminating a person because they saw another saint etc. Just anyone > > > > can come, everyone very welcome, fly in to town for this, if need be. > > > > A really welcoming, genuine atmosphere. > > > > > > > > Then, see how it goes for those 4 weeks - Maybe things would improve > > > > in some way: more people would attend, the energy in the Domes would > > > > be more powerful. Even maybe it would inspire those attending to come > > > > regularly again. And Maybe the TMO would see it was all so wonderful > > > > and created such goodwill that they would drop the restrictions in the > > > > future. It would be an experiment. And it is a way to see, really, if > > > > there are "enough" people around still wanting to do program in the > > > > Domes in Fairfield, Iowa. Heck, even Rick would be admitted. At the > > > > least, it would be a fun social time, and at best a real motivator for > > > > people to do program in the Domes. I like to think that MMY himself > > > > would go for this. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Son, you were not here so don't just assume things but yes your > > > > > advice below is good and true about the fourth estate below. That is > > > > > also how things get done around here. Obviously they read this page > > > > > and others about themselves and can move in ways accordingly. The > > > > > meeting was a TM movement style public meeting where they control the > > > > > stage seats and microphones in their way of decorum. Very top-down > > > > > with the authority up front in the stuffed chairs with the mics. > > > > > We're an extremely verbal group, but. When the mics were opened up a > > > > > bunch of people lined up for the floor mics and the line got worked > > > > > through. Mostly sincere people and some aggravated people too get up > > > > > thinking to solve the problem in little ways. A couple good new > > > > > ideas come but nothing of fundamental change offered. Not many > > > > > people from in the town. Mostly concerned earnest faith-based kind > > > > > of movement people who are not really going to jeopardize their > > > > > access to everything by speaking out much truth to power. Though as > > > > > soon as the meeting is over folks are talking to one another about > > > > > real things. The enforced steady decorum of the moderated mic was > > > > > not really about discussion. Just quick consideration of one point > > > > > per and the point would be referred to further consideration in some > > > > > groups. Mayor Malloy as a meditator did do an excellent job of > > > > > moderating the usual community crazies too who get up to any open > > > > > mics in any public meeting. After a while they announced the last > > > > > comment as the mic went to a guy that it was getting late and the > > > > > meeting was to end. So it went. Nothing really substantial related > > > > > to our community deficit in the Dome numbers and who was responsible. > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually there was only one person tonite at the landm
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> > A "Host Program" has been inspired by the current situation with the IAA > Settle Grant. We hope to facilitate connecting current IAA participants with > a Host during this transitional time and to inspire a new generation of IAA > participants to be able to attend for either short (month long) or longer > terms. > > A "match up" description for any Sidha who has a room in their home that > would be available for at least one month will be created. > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation policy guidelines to host TM'ers known to have visited Saints? Aiding or abetting these meditators by giving them shelter? > > > > Susan you would think so, this would be reasonable for the people who have > > already been taught the sidhis technique. But no. A stunning moment in > > the meeting was their announcement there would be re-fresher meetings about > > practicing the technique but in the same breath you'd need a Dome badge > > first to go to the meetings. Catch-22. > > See: > > > > http://applicantqv.blogspot.com/2012/03/yogic-flying-tm-banned-from-domes.html > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > Here's an idea, an experiment: Have a 4 week period where anyone who > > > ever got the siddhis can come and fly in the Domes. The TMO could give > > > out special colored badges in advance. No background checks or > > > eliminating a person because they saw another saint etc. Just anyone can > > > come, everyone very welcome, fly in to town for this, if need be. A > > > really welcoming, genuine atmosphere. > > > > > > Then, see how it goes for those 4 weeks - Maybe things would improve in > > > some way: more people would attend, the energy in the Domes would be > > > more powerful. Even maybe it would inspire those attending to come > > > regularly again. And Maybe the TMO would see it was all so wonderful and > > > created such goodwill that they would drop the restrictions in the > > > future. It would be an experiment. And it is a way to see, really, if > > > there are "enough" people around still wanting to do program in the Domes > > > in Fairfield, Iowa. Heck, even Rick would be admitted. At the least, it > > > would be a fun social time, and at best a real motivator for people to do > > > program in the Domes. I like to think that MMY himself would go for > > > this. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > Son, you were not here so don't just assume things but yes your advice > > > > below is good and true about the fourth estate below. That is also how > > > > things get done around here. Obviously they read this page and others > > > > about themselves and can move in ways accordingly. The meeting was a > > > > TM movement style public meeting where they control the stage seats and > > > > microphones in their way of decorum. Very top-down with the authority > > > > up front in the stuffed chairs with the mics. We're an extremely > > > > verbal group, but. When the mics were opened up a bunch of people > > > > lined up for the floor mics and the line got worked through. Mostly > > > > sincere people and some aggravated people too get up thinking to solve > > > > the problem in little ways. A couple good new ideas come but nothing > > > > of fundamental change offered. Not many people from in the town. > > > > Mostly concerned earnest faith-based kind of movement people who are > > > > not really going to jeopardize their access to everything by speaking > > > > out much truth to power. Though as soon as the meeting is over folks > > > > are talking to one another about real things. The enforced steady > > > > decorum of the moderated mic was not really about discussion. Just > > > > quick consideration of one point per and the point would be referred to > > > > further consideration in some groups. Mayor Malloy as a meditator did > > > > do an excellent job of moderating the usual community crazies too who > > > > get up to any open mics in any public meeting. After a while they > > > > announced the last comment as the mic went to a guy that it was getting > > > > late and the meeting was to end. So it went. Nothing really > > > > substantial related to our community deficit in the Dome numbers and > > > > who was responsible. > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually there was only one person tonite at the landmark > > > > > > > meeting who brushed up against this talking about how > > > > > > > experiences have been compromised in people because of > > > > > > > an underlying problem. She spoke in code of course with > > > > > > > the big guy up there in front of the r
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A "Host Program" has been inspired by the current situation with the IAA Settle Grant. We hope to facilitate connecting current IAA participants with a Host during this transitional time and to inspire a new generation of IAA participants to be able to attend for either short (month long) or longer terms. A "match up" description for any Sidha who has a room in their home that would be available for at least one month will be created. > > Susan you would think so, this would be reasonable for the people who have > already been taught the sidhis technique. But no. A stunning moment in the > meeting was their announcement there would be re-fresher meetings about > practicing the technique but in the same breath you'd need a Dome badge first > to go to the meetings. Catch-22. > See: > > http://applicantqv.blogspot.com/2012/03/yogic-flying-tm-banned-from-domes.html > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > Here's an idea, an experiment: Have a 4 week period where anyone who ever > > got the siddhis can come and fly in the Domes. The TMO could give out > > special colored badges in advance. No background checks or eliminating a > > person because they saw another saint etc. Just anyone can come, everyone > > very welcome, fly in to town for this, if need be. A really welcoming, > > genuine atmosphere. > > > > Then, see how it goes for those 4 weeks - Maybe things would improve in > > some way: more people would attend, the energy in the Domes would be more > > powerful. Even maybe it would inspire those attending to come regularly > > again. And Maybe the TMO would see it was all so wonderful and created > > such goodwill that they would drop the restrictions in the future. It > > would be an experiment. And it is a way to see, really, if there are > > "enough" people around still wanting to do program in the Domes in > > Fairfield, Iowa. Heck, even Rick would be admitted. At the least, it > > would be a fun social time, and at best a real motivator for people to do > > program in the Domes. I like to think that MMY himself would go for this. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > Son, you were not here so don't just assume things but yes your advice > > > below is good and true about the fourth estate below. That is also how > > > things get done around here. Obviously they read this page and others > > > about themselves and can move in ways accordingly. The meeting was a TM > > > movement style public meeting where they control the stage seats and > > > microphones in their way of decorum. Very top-down with the authority up > > > front in the stuffed chairs with the mics. We're an extremely verbal > > > group, but. When the mics were opened up a bunch of people lined up for > > > the floor mics and the line got worked through. Mostly sincere people > > > and some aggravated people too get up thinking to solve the problem in > > > little ways. A couple good new ideas come but nothing of fundamental > > > change offered. Not many people from in the town. Mostly concerned > > > earnest faith-based kind of movement people who are not really going to > > > jeopardize their access to everything by speaking out much truth to > > > power. Though as soon as the meeting is over folks are talking to one > > > another about real things. The enforced steady decorum of the moderated > > > mic was not really about discussion. Just quick consideration of one > > > point per and the point would be referred to further consideration in > > > some groups. Mayor Malloy as a meditator did do an excellent job of > > > moderating the usual community crazies too who get up to any open mics in > > > any public meeting. After a while they announced the last comment as the > > > mic went to a guy that it was getting late and the meeting was to end. > > > So it went. Nothing really substantial related to our community deficit > > > in the Dome numbers and who was responsible. > > > -Buck > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually there was only one person tonite at the landmark > > > > > > meeting who brushed up against this talking about how > > > > > > experiences have been compromised in people because of > > > > > > an underlying problem. She spoke in code of course with > > > > > > the big guy up there in front of the room. Otherwise the > > > > > > suggestions were trivial, as if people did not know the > > > > > > antipathy old meditators have with the movement with the > > > > > > elephant sitting in the room. Two elephants actually. > > > > > > > > > > Buck, I'm going to have to call you on this one. > > > > > > > > > > If YOU were there, why didn't YOU speak up? > >
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Michael, if a meditator breaks their arm, they don't simply sit down to meditate til it's all better. This principle can also be applied to non physical health. IMO and experience, TM makes one more responsible and wiser in terms of finding the best and most appropriate help for whatever ails one at any given time. When I left campus in 2002, I did so with the understanding that due to childhood trauma of abandonment, I needed emotional healing beyond a usual amount, and that I wasn't going to find that in the TMO. And that was fine with me. I understood that that's not the focus of the TMO. I feel really fortunate to have found just the right healing modalities at just the right time, what I call support of nature. As I've said before, I consider the TMSP essential for emotional healing, but not sufficient if one has more than the usual amount to do. Though I admit I didn't try all their various approaches and realize that many people have been helped by only using approaches with the TMO like gem light therapy, Vedic Vibration, etc. Nor am I arguing with research that shows that TM helps war vets and others with major trauma. I simply had to honor my own intuition about what healing approaches to pursue. Anyway, I currently use one healing modality though I've learned many over the years. Modalities fall away when they're no longer needed. From: Michael Jackson To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2013 5:36 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield And yet all this looking about to see what else is out there simply proves that TM ain't all that its cracked up to be. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 2:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > How about you, Ann? Will you take a real stand? It's pretty easy and will > only cost you a little time and effort. You can write Bevan an email > telling him how you feel about what he did. You can write as a former > student, as someone who has come to admire LB, as someone who thanks God when > others take a real stand. Bevan's email address is available on the MUM > website. Can you say with 100% certainty that your writing to him will not > do some good?   My guess is that all this whining won't impress Bevan one bit. Thing is, you are on the greatest path, handed down from the great holy tradition, life in perfect bliss and harmony with all the laws of nature etc. Why would anyone want to dilute that by seeing other scammers - sorry, saints. It's not much of a tribute to Marshy if all anyone wants to do is grovel at the feet of some other guru who cannot possibly know as much about enlightenment and how to gain it as the greatest seer ever. And there's worse to come, what if someone goes to see another teacher and he gets taught a technique that interferes with their TMSP? What if that pollutes the dome atmosphere with people doing other tehcniques (which has happened a lot)? What if everyone else hears about it and goes somewhere else and you all miss a lecture by Bevan? This is the sort of thing they will be thinking whenever they get a letter about relaxing rules. It's their *job* to keep everyone on the right path. They aren't interested in allocating similar credence to other guru's, they don't want you to think it's a level playing filed where everyone's teaching is a valid path. Marshy spent a lot of time cultivating a superiority complex in TM teachers. Going through the TMO is *supposed* to make you think it's far and away the best thing going. Ever. I actually have a bit of sympathy for the TMO here, if I was in charge I'd be keen to see everyone staying in the one boat rather than jumping about and becoming less single pointed about following the teaching. There isn't enough time to do other things properly. If you really believe TM is the best you won't want to see your flock going elsewhere. Marshy's warning that the technique will be lost is probably ringing in Bevans ears every time he hears the words FFL. What they should be wondering is why so many want to see other teachers but what they will think is that everyone is just "unstressing" and should just do more asanas until it passes. As they say when you move to Skelmersdale: we are happy for you to explore other teachings, just don't do it here! > ____________ > From: Ann > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:15 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > > > Ann, as I wrote to Susan, I didn't know Bevan's email address > > > was accessible to everyone when I first offered to pass her > > > idea along. Which is why I made the offer. Of course I would > > > have given her credit. But enjoy your nasty projection. All I > > > can figure is that you got triggered when I called you on > > > telling others to take a stand when you yourself aren't > > > willing to do so. Funny how you found reasons for you not to > > > do so but don't recognize how some of those reasons might > > > also apply to others. > > > > Share, even if there weren't umpty others of your posts > > that have raised serious questions about your credibility, > > your sincerity, and even your sanity, this one would do > > the trick all by itself. > > > > The notion that Ann would be "taking a stand" by emailing > > Bevan Morris and chastising him for allegedly trying > > (unsuccessfully) to get LB fired *years* ago is ludicrous, > > for all the many reasons Ann pointed out and that you were > > unable to address. > > > > You were trying to "get" Ann, and you made an exceedingly > > stupid mess of it. Ann wasn't "triggered," she was > > incredulous that you would think such an accusation made > > any sense. She was laughing at you. And she wasn't the > > only one. > > I just now read this post of yours Judy after having just > posted one of my own regarding this subject. I guess I > could have saved myself the trouble because you said > everything I just did. > > I am incredulous with regard to Share's unfounded idea about > taking stands. She obviously lacks the ability to read even > the most obvious clues about my character based on my history > or what I write about. Either that or she just needs to throw > crap at me. She's been carrying a grudge ever since that argument you had months ago, just waiting for something to use to get back at you, to "prove" that you were just as guilty as she is of refusing to take stands. She waited and waited. I guess she got really impatient, because what she finally decided to leap on couldn't possibly have been less appropriate for the purpose. > Either way, it is rather bizarre. That's le mot juste, for sure. Totally out of touch with reality. And so much for "line on water," much less for "line on air." You can practically hear the hammer striking the chisel as she compulsively engraves her line in stone ever deeper. > I guess I'll cross her off my list of people to visit when > I'm next in FF. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Ann > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 8:51 AM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors > > > Assembly at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Susan, I made my offer not knowing that Bevan's email address is > > > > accessible to everyone.àSince it is, I'll leave it up to you > > > > whether or not you pass along your good idea.àShare > > > > > > Share, why don't you "pass it along" since it is such a good idea. I am > > > sure Susan won't mind you taking the credit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Susan > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 6:18 PM > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors > > > > Assembly at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > à> > > > Share, yes feel free to get the idea to Bevan! > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Without the mention of ââ∠"Rickââ⬠because I > > > > > wouldnâââ‰â¢t go. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Share Long > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 7:07 AM > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors > > > > > Assembly at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, would it be ok with you if I were to send this suggestion to > > > > > Bevan? I think it's a great idea. Share > > >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > Ann, as I wrote to Susan, I didn't know Bevan's email address > > was accessible to everyone when I first offered to pass her > > idea along. Which is why I made the offer. Of course I would > > have given her credit. But enjoy your nasty projection. All I > > can figure is that you got triggered when I called you on > > telling others to take a stand when you yourself aren't > > willing to do so. Funny how you found reasons for you not to > > do so but don't recognize how some of those reasons might > > also apply to others. > > Share, even if there weren't umpty others of your posts > that have raised serious questions about your credibility, > your sincerity, and even your sanity, this one would do > the trick all by itself. > > The notion that Ann would be "taking a stand" by emailing > Bevan Morris and chastising him for allegedly trying > (unsuccessfully) to get LB fired *years* ago is ludicrous, > for all the many reasons Ann pointed out and that you were > unable to address. > > You were trying to "get" Ann, and you made an exceedingly > stupid mess of it. Ann wasn't "triggered," she was > incredulous that you would think such an accusation made > any sense. She was laughing at you. And she wasn't the > only one. I just now read this post of yours Judy after having just posted one of my own regarding this subject. I guess I could have saved myself the trouble because you said everything I just did. I am incredulous with regard to Share's unfounded idea about taking stands. She obviously lacks the ability to read even the most obvious clues about my character based on my history or what I write about. Either that or she just needs to throw crap at me. Either way, it is rather bizarre. I guess I'll cross her off my list of people to visit when I'm next in FF. > > > > > > > > From: Ann > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 8:51 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly > > at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > > > Hi Susan, I made my offer not knowing that Bevan's email address is > > > accessible to everyone.àSince it is, I'll leave it up to you whether > > > or not you pass along your good idea.àShare > > > > Share, why don't you "pass it along" since it is such a good idea. I am > > sure Susan won't mind you taking the credit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Susan > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 6:18 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors > > > Assembly at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > > > > > à> > > Share, yes feel free to get the idea to Bevan! > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > > > Without the mention of ââ∠"Rickââ⬠because I > > > > wouldnâââ‰â¢t go. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Share Long > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 7:07 AM > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors > > > > Assembly at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, would it be ok with you if I were to send this suggestion to > > > > Bevan? I think it's a great idea. Share >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Ann, as I wrote to Susan, I didn't know Bevan's email address was accessible > to everyone when I first offered to pass her idea along. Which is why I > made the offer. Of course I would have given her credit. But enjoy your > nasty projection. All I can figure is that you got triggered when I called > you on telling others to take a stand when you yourself aren't willing to do > so. Funny how you found reasons for you not to do so but don't recognize > how some of those reasons might also apply to others. Naw, you're still pissed off from our earlier conversation a few months ago about this same "taking a stand" subject and you are the one being nasty here. If I thought, for one minute, your cockamamie idea of writing to Bevan about an incident that took place in the 90's between two people I don't know would be useful in the least then you're a tad removed from reality or are simply trying to pick a fight. What 'triggers' me are unfounded accusations about my willingness to take a stand on things I believe in. What universe do you actually reside in? Open your eyes and your mind and stop spewing your invective toward me about an opinion that has no foundation or proof. It is like you just reached out and grabbed some arbitrary accusation to throw at me based on nothing but your own ungenerous projections about my nature. Although I couldn't care less (now I am sounding like Barry) what you think of me I will take a small stand (because that is all this conversation deserves) regarding your arbitrary mean-spiritedness here and tell you to STFU. You are looking like a shrew, and not the little cute furry kind. > > > > > ____ > From: Ann > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 8:51 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at > MUM Fairfield > > > >  > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > Hi Susan, I made my offer not knowing that Bevan's email address is > > accessible to everyone.àSince it is, I'll leave it up to you whether or > > not you pass along your good idea.àShare > > Share, why don't you "pass it along" since it is such a good idea. I am sure > Susan won't mind you taking the credit. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Susan > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 6:18 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly > > at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > à> > Share, yes feel free to get the idea to Bevan! > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > Without the mention of ââ∠"Rickââ⬠because I > > > wouldnâââ‰â¢t go. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Share Long > > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 7:07 AM > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors > > > Assembly at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, would it be ok with you if I were to send this suggestion to > > > Bevan? I think it's a great idea. Share > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > > > From: Susan mailto:wayback71@> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 6:44 AM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors > > > Assembly at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's an idea, an experiment: Have a 4 week period where anyone who ever > > > got the siddhis can come and fly in the Domes. The TMO could give out > > > special colored badges in advance. No background checks or eliminating a > > > person because they saw another saint etc. Just anyone can come, everyone > > > very welcome, fly in to town for this, if need be. A really welcoming, > > > genuine atmosphere. > > > > > > Then, see how it goes for those 4 weeks - Maybe things would improve in > > >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > And yet all this looking about to see what else is out there simply proves > that TM ain't all that its cracked up to be. Not necessarily. This fact probably says more about Share than it does about TM. It could mean Share is 'addicted' to seeking. Or, it could mean that TM doesn't do it for HER just like it didn't 'do it' for me. Or it could mean that TM doesn't stop one from wanting to keep exploring lots of other systems and beliefs out there. Maybe Share finds TM relaxing or something but still needs healing and reassuring. You'd need to ask her why she does all the things she does. But it is not necessarily an indictment of TM although it could be. > > > > > > From: salyavin808 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 2:21 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at > MUM Fairfield > > > > Â > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > How about you, Ann?ÃÂ Will you take a real stand?ÃÂ It's pretty easy > > and will only cost you a little time and effort.ÃÂ You can write Bevan an > > email telling him how you feel about what he did.ÃÂ You can write as a > > former student, as someone who has come to admire LB, as someone who thanks > > God when others take a real stand.ÃÂ Bevan's email address is available > > on the MUM website.ÃÂ Can you say with 100% certainty that your writing > > to him will not do some good?ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ > > My guess is that all this whining won't impress Bevan one bit. > > Thing is, you are on the greatest path, handed down from the great > holy tradition, life in perfect bliss and harmony with all the laws > of nature etc. Why would anyone want to dilute that by seeing other > scammers - sorry, saints. > > It's not much of a tribute to Marshy if all anyone wants to do > is grovel at the feet of some other guru who cannot possibly know > as much about enlightenment and how to gain it as the greatest > seer ever. > > And there's worse to come, what if someone goes to see another > teacher and he gets taught a technique that interferes with their > TMSP? What if that pollutes the dome atmosphere with people doing > other tehcniques (which has happened a lot)? What if everyone > else hears about it and goes somewhere else and you all miss a > lecture by Bevan? > > This is the sort of thing they will be thinking whenever they get > a letter about relaxing rules. It's their *job* to keep everyone > on the right path. They aren't interested in allocating similar > credence to other guru's, they don't want you to think it's a > level playing filed where everyone's teaching is a valid path. > Marshy spent a lot of time cultivating a superiority complex > in TM teachers. Going through the TMO is *supposed* to make you > think it's far and away the best thing going. Ever. > > I actually have a bit of sympathy for the TMO here, if I was > in charge I'd be keen to see everyone staying in the one boat > rather than jumping about and becoming less single pointed > about following the teaching. There isn't enough time to do > other things properly. If you really believe TM is the best you > won't want to see your flock going elsewhere. Marshy's warning > that the technique will be lost is probably ringing in Bevans > ears every time he hears the words FFL. > > What they should be wondering is why so many want to see other teachers but > what they will think is that everyone is just "unstressing" and should just > do more asanas until it passes. > > As they say when you move to Skelmersdale: we are happy for you > to explore other teachings, just don't do it here! > > > > > From: Ann > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:15 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly > > at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > Thank God for those who will take a real stand. > > > > > > > > > > > > Back to the subject of protesting the seeming injustices - if the > > > limitations bother some people so much then eventually this is going to > > > take > > > it's toll and sooner or later people who resent having their lives > > > dictated > > > to them regarding what they can do or not do, see or not see, read or not >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Ann, as I wrote to Susan, I didn't know Bevan's email address > was accessible to everyone when I first offered to pass her > idea along. Which is why I made the offer. Of course I would > have given her credit. But enjoy your nasty projection. All I > can figure is that you got triggered when I called you on > telling others to take a stand when you yourself aren't > willing to do so. Funny how you found reasons for you not to > do so but don't recognize how some of those reasons might > also apply to others. Share, even if there weren't umpty others of your posts that have raised serious questions about your credibility, your sincerity, and even your sanity, this one would do the trick all by itself. The notion that Ann would be "taking a stand" by emailing Bevan Morris and chastising him for allegedly trying (unsuccessfully) to get LB fired *years* ago is ludicrous, for all the many reasons Ann pointed out and that you were unable to address. You were trying to "get" Ann, and you made an exceedingly stupid mess of it. Ann wasn't "triggered," she was incredulous that you would think such an accusation made any sense. She was laughing at you. And she wasn't the only one. > From: Ann > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 8:51 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at > MUM Fairfield > > > >  > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > Hi Susan, I made my offer not knowing that Bevan's email address is > > accessible to everyone.àSince it is, I'll leave it up to you whether or > > not you pass along your good idea.àShare > > Share, why don't you "pass it along" since it is such a good idea. I am sure > Susan won't mind you taking the credit. > > > > > > > > > > ____ > > From: Susan > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 6:18 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly > > at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > à> > Share, yes feel free to get the idea to Bevan! > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > Without the mention of ââ∠"Rickââ⬠because I > > > wouldnâââ‰â¢t go. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Share Long > > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 7:07 AM > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors > > > Assembly at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, would it be ok with you if I were to send this suggestion to > > > Bevan? I think it's a great idea. Share
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Its obvious Ann is about as well qualified to lead the charge on this as Barry is. The story of LB's employer being called by Bevan, is hearsay. So is the anecdote about the police having restraining orders against a lot of former MUM associates. The second one is highly doubtful, since no judge in his right mind would approve such orders. The whole Dome thing is strictly small town politics, with a veneer of spiritual interest. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Ann, as I wrote to Susan, I didn't know Bevan's email address was accessible > to everyone when I first offered to pass her idea along. Which is why I > made the offer. Of course I would have given her credit. But enjoy your > nasty projection. All I can figure is that you got triggered when I called > you on telling others to take a stand when you yourself aren't willing to do > so. Funny how you found reasons for you not to do so but don't recognize > how some of those reasons might also apply to others. > > > > > > From: Ann > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 8:51 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at > MUM Fairfield > > > >  > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > Hi Susan, I made my offer not knowing that Bevan's email address is > > accessible to everyone.àSince it is, I'll leave it up to you whether or > > not you pass along your good idea.àShare > > Share, why don't you "pass it along" since it is such a good idea. I am sure > Susan won't mind you taking the credit. > > > > > > > > > > ________________ > > From: Susan > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 6:18 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly > > at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > à> > Share, yes feel free to get the idea to Bevan! > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > Without the mention of ââ∠"Rickââ⬠because I > > > wouldnâââ‰â¢t go. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Share Long > > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 7:07 AM > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors > > > Assembly at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, would it be ok with you if I were to send this suggestion to > > > Bevan? I think it's a great idea. Share > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > > > From: Susan mailto:wayback71@> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 6:44 AM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors > > > Assembly at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's an idea, an experiment: Have a 4 week period where anyone who ever > > > got the siddhis can come and fly in the Domes. The TMO could give out > > > special colored badges in advance. No background checks or eliminating a > > > person because they saw another saint etc. Just anyone can come, everyone > > > very welcome, fly in to town for this, if need be. A really welcoming, > > > genuine atmosphere. > > > > > > Then, see how it goes for those 4 weeks - Maybe things would improve in > > > some way: more people would attend, the energy in the Domes would be more > > > powerful. Even maybe it would inspire those attending to come regularly > > > again. And Maybe the TMO would see it was all so wonderful and created > > > such goodwill that they would drop the restrictions in the future. It > > > would be an experiment. And it is a way to see, really, if there are > > > "enough" people around still wanting to do program in the Domes in > > > Fairfield, Iowa. Heck, even Rick would be admitted. At the least, it > > > would be a fun social time, and at best a real motivator for people to do > > > program in the Domes. I like to think that
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Ann, as I wrote to Susan, I didn't know Bevan's email address was accessible to everyone when I first offered to pass her idea along. Which is why I made the offer. Of course I would have given her credit. But enjoy your nasty projection. All I can figure is that you got triggered when I called you on telling others to take a stand when you yourself aren't willing to do so. Funny how you found reasons for you not to do so but don't recognize how some of those reasons might also apply to others. From: Ann To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 8:51 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Hi Susan, I made my offer not knowing that Bevan's email address is > accessible to everyone. Since it is, I'll leave it up to you whether or not > you pass along your good idea. Share Share, why don't you "pass it along" since it is such a good idea. I am sure Susan won't mind you taking the credit. > > > > > > From: Susan > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 6:18 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at > MUM Fairfield > > > >  > Share, yes feel free to get the idea to Bevan! > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > Without the mention of â€Å"Rick†because I wouldn’t go. > > > > > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Share Long > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 7:07 AM > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors > > Assembly at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, would it be ok with you if I were to send this suggestion to Bevan? > > I think it's a great idea. Share > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > From: Susan mailto:wayback71@> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 6:44 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly > > at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's an idea, an experiment: Have a 4 week period where anyone who ever > > got the siddhis can come and fly in the Domes. The TMO could give out > > special colored badges in advance. No background checks or eliminating a > > person because they saw another saint etc. Just anyone can come, everyone > > very welcome, fly in to town for this, if need be. A really welcoming, > > genuine atmosphere. > > > > Then, see how it goes for those 4 weeks - Maybe things would improve in > > some way: more people would attend, the energy in the Domes would be more > > powerful. Even maybe it would inspire those attending to come regularly > > again. And Maybe the TMO would see it was all so wonderful and created such > > goodwill that they would drop the restrictions in the future. It would be > > an experiment. And it is a way to see, really, if there are "enough" people > > around still wanting to do program in the Domes in Fairfield, Iowa. Heck, > > even Rick would be admitted. At the least, it would be a fun social time, > > and at best a real motivator for people to do program in the Domes. I like > > to think that MMY himself would go for this. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Buck" > <mailto:dhamiltony2k5@> > wrote: > > > > > > Son, you were not here so don't just assume things but yes your advice > > > below is good and true about the fourth estate below. That is also how > > > things get done around here. Obviously they read this page and others > > > about themselves and can move in ways accordingly. The meeting was a TM > > > movement style public meeting where they control the stage seats and > > > microphones in their way of decorum. Very top-down with the authority up > > > front in the stuffed chairs with the mics. We're an extremely verbal > > > group, but. When the mics were opened up a bunch of people lined up for > > > the floor mics and the line got worked through. Mostly sincere people and > > > some aggrava
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And yet all this looking about to see what else is out there simply proves that TM ain't all that its cracked up to be. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 2:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > How about you, Ann? Will you take a real stand? It's pretty easy and will > only cost you a little time and effort. You can write Bevan an email > telling him how you feel about what he did. You can write as a former > student, as someone who has come to admire LB, as someone who thanks God when > others take a real stand. Bevan's email address is available on the MUM > website. Can you say with 100% certainty that your writing to him will not > do some good?   My guess is that all this whining won't impress Bevan one bit. Thing is, you are on the greatest path, handed down from the great holy tradition, life in perfect bliss and harmony with all the laws of nature etc. Why would anyone want to dilute that by seeing other scammers - sorry, saints. It's not much of a tribute to Marshy if all anyone wants to do is grovel at the feet of some other guru who cannot possibly know as much about enlightenment and how to gain it as the greatest seer ever. And there's worse to come, what if someone goes to see another teacher and he gets taught a technique that interferes with their TMSP? What if that pollutes the dome atmosphere with people doing other tehcniques (which has happened a lot)? What if everyone else hears about it and goes somewhere else and you all miss a lecture by Bevan? This is the sort of thing they will be thinking whenever they get a letter about relaxing rules. It's their *job* to keep everyone on the right path. They aren't interested in allocating similar credence to other guru's, they don't want you to think it's a level playing filed where everyone's teaching is a valid path. Marshy spent a lot of time cultivating a superiority complex in TM teachers. Going through the TMO is *supposed* to make you think it's far and away the best thing going. Ever. I actually have a bit of sympathy for the TMO here, if I was in charge I'd be keen to see everyone staying in the one boat rather than jumping about and becoming less single pointed about following the teaching. There isn't enough time to do other things properly. If you really believe TM is the best you won't want to see your flock going elsewhere. Marshy's warning that the technique will be lost is probably ringing in Bevans ears every time he hears the words FFL. What they should be wondering is why so many want to see other teachers but what they will think is that everyone is just "unstressing" and should just do more asanas until it passes. As they say when you move to Skelmersdale: we are happy for you to explore other teachings, just don't do it here! > ____________ > From: Ann > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:15 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at > MUM Fairfield > > > >  > Thank God for those who will take a real stand. > > > > > > > > Back to the subject of protesting the seeming injustices - if the > > limitations bother some people so much then eventually this is going to take > > it's toll and sooner or later people who resent having their lives dictated > > to them regarding what they can do or not do, see or not see, read or not > > read, attend or not attend is going to have to be resolved one way or > > another. I still say organization is a really good way to go. If you fear > > making a stand all by your little lonesome then assemble with your friends > > and like-minded people who can create a bigger force, a movement with some > > clout. > > > > What I have a problem with is those who complain and whine and wish it could > > be different but don't engage in the actual activities that could bring this > > about. On the other hand, maybe give up the 'saints' and focus on TM. You > > either have to come together to change the system in great numbers or you're > > going to have to accept Movement policy. > > > > > > > > The TMO has used a divide and subjugate approach all along. Individuals are > > afraid of getting kicked out, so they toe the line, or sneak around. If > > everyone, as a body, were to say "bug off. We're grownups. Kick us all out > > if you want to, but we're not going to be told what we may or may not do in
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Well, the purity of the teaching is MMY's teaching methodology. I'm not sure I ever really thought there was more to it than that since the creation myth I heard early on was in terms of MMY refining whatever Gurudev had taught him into an exceedingly simple package with no extraneous bits. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > Dr. PS, I'm not a TM gov but my guess is that Bevan holds > > to maintaining the purity of the teaching as being very > > pragmatic as well as the right thing for him to do, which > > is an admirable quality IMHO. > > It might be, if there were an actual tradition to > be "pure" about. There isn't. Maharishi made it up. > > Bevan's allegiance is to the *myth* of there being > an actual teaching passed down from long tradition > to protect the "purity" of. >
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> > Dr. PS, I'm not a TM gov but my guess is that Bevan > > holds to maintaining the purity of the teaching as > > being very pragmatic as well as the right thing for > > him to do, which is an admirable quality IMHO. > > turquoise: > It might be, if there were an actual tradition to > be "pure" about. There isn't. Maharishi made it up. > Now that's a thought-stopper. Now, just STFU Share! > Bevan's allegiance is to the *myth* of there being > an actual teaching passed down from long tradition > to protect the "purity" of. > Let's send in the thought police - how dare Bevan believe in a long tradition! Go figure.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of drpsutphen Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 6:36 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield Rick, what is a "PKYC"? Thanks! Share is referring to this place: http://kundalinicare.com/ A number of people from FF have gone down there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rick Archer" mailto:rick@...> > wrote: > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Share Long > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:07 AM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors > Assembly at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > Ann, just fyi FF is definitely NOT "a very tight knit community of like > minded seekers." For example, my neighbor to the south is an Amma devotee. We > are on friendly terms and I have attended Amma gatherings. My neighbor to the > east is a Hare Krishna. We are on friendly terms and I have not chanted in > orange robes in airports. Yet! Another neighbor to the south is a Sri Sri > devotee. Some others are govs but don't come to the Dome. Some friends are > govs who now follow Sai Ma. Some friends are govs who are teachers in another > group and still do just TM. I was a member of that group for 4 years, during > which time I did not go to the Dome. During my 2 week course at PKYC in > Knoxville, I only did TM because they asked me not to do the TMSP. At that > point my highest priority was to stay and experience what they had to offer > and doing my TMSP was a lesser priority. > > Hopefully you can see that on both the individual and group level, it is > quite a mish mash. > > > > Yeah, but I’d say we’re tight knit in the sense that outside of the TMO, > most people are tolerant and appreciative of what others choose to do. I’ll > bet you and I have no problem with your neighbors and all the others in town > doing the variety of things they do. To each his own, right? Unity in > diversity. >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Hi Susan, I made my offer not knowing that Bevan's email address is > accessible to everyone. Since it is, I'll leave it up to you whether or not > you pass along your good idea. Share Share, why don't you "pass it along" since it is such a good idea. I am sure Susan won't mind you taking the credit. > > > > > > From: Susan > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 6:18 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at > MUM Fairfield > > > >  > Share, yes feel free to get the idea to Bevan! > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > Without the mention of ââ¬Å"Rickâ⬠because I wouldnââ¬â¢t go. > > > > > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Share Long > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 7:07 AM > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors > > Assembly at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, would it be ok with you if I were to send this suggestion to Bevan? > > I think it's a great idea. Share > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: Susan mailto:wayback71@> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 6:44 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly > > at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's an idea, an experiment: Have a 4 week period where anyone who ever > > got the siddhis can come and fly in the Domes. The TMO could give out > > special colored badges in advance. No background checks or eliminating a > > person because they saw another saint etc. Just anyone can come, everyone > > very welcome, fly in to town for this, if need be. A really welcoming, > > genuine atmosphere. > > > > Then, see how it goes for those 4 weeks - Maybe things would improve in > > some way: more people would attend, the energy in the Domes would be more > > powerful. Even maybe it would inspire those attending to come regularly > > again. And Maybe the TMO would see it was all so wonderful and created such > > goodwill that they would drop the restrictions in the future. It would be > > an experiment. And it is a way to see, really, if there are "enough" people > > around still wanting to do program in the Domes in Fairfield, Iowa. Heck, > > even Rick would be admitted. At the least, it would be a fun social time, > > and at best a real motivator for people to do program in the Domes. I like > > to think that MMY himself would go for this. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Buck" > <mailto:dhamiltony2k5@> > wrote: > > > > > > Son, you were not here so don't just assume things but yes your advice > > > below is good and true about the fourth estate below. That is also how > > > things get done around here. Obviously they read this page and others > > > about themselves and can move in ways accordingly. The meeting was a TM > > > movement style public meeting where they control the stage seats and > > > microphones in their way of decorum. Very top-down with the authority up > > > front in the stuffed chairs with the mics. We're an extremely verbal > > > group, but. When the mics were opened up a bunch of people lined up for > > > the floor mics and the line got worked through. Mostly sincere people and > > > some aggravated people too get up thinking to solve the problem in little > > > ways. A couple good new ideas come but nothing of fundamental change > > > offered. Not many people from in the town. Mostly concerned earnest > > > faith-based kind of movement people who are not really going to > > > jeopardize their access to everything by > speaking out much truth to power. Though as soon as the meeting is over > folks are talking to one another about real things. The enforced steady > decorum of the moderated mic was not really about discussion. Just quick > consideration of one point per and the point would be referred to further > consideration in some groups. Mayor Malloy as a meditator
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > But Ann, this is exactly what you did. You, as you say, went off half > cocked, using a very derogatory term to refer to Bevan. And there is no > buck for me to pass to you or for you to pass to me. I have my experience > and info and opinions and beneficial action to take and I take them to the > best of my ability, as do you. I believed Rick's story. AND I needed to > know more. Moreover, I certainly know very little about the whole situation > between LB and the TMO. I look forward to reading the papers that Judy > posted and to having more info on which to base my thinking and acting with > regards to all this.   What is your intention here? First, my outrage at the story of LB being allegedly pursued by TM officials in an effort to have his job taken away from him is just that - outrageous. It was not clear in the story when I read it that it was Bevan. I, frankly, don't care who it was. Whoever it WAS (if there is a was) is a bastard for doing so. That is no half baked or half cocked reaction based on something someone tells me; it is a full on assessment of this asshole if, in fact, the event occurred. For me to pursue a matter like this in the form of A LETTER TO BEVAN so many years later is patently absurd and for you to suggest I do is equally as laughable. Do your own grunt work, take a stand if you want to but don't start looking at me to run around protecting the rights you think you are owed. > > > > > From: Ann > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:05 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at > MUM Fairfield > > > >  > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > àIt's pretty easy and will only cost you a little time and effort.à> You can write Bevan an email telling him how you feel about what he did. > > I would certainly do this if someone can assure me that this is, in fact, > something he actually did to LB. No problem at all. But I will not go off > half-cocked and accuse someone of something that is hearsay. Give me the > goods and I will write Bevan a letter. I will publish this letter on FFL. > > àYou can write as a former student, as someone who has come to admire LB, > as someone who thanks God when others take a real stand.àBevan's email > address is available on the MUM website.àCan you say with 100% certainty > that your writing to him will not do some good?ààà> > I can say very little with certainty. But if you want to pass the buck to me > - someone who no longer meditates, who is no longer allowed on campus the > last I heard, who didn't know Mr Shriver but who admires what little I do > know about him, who doesn't live in FF and who does not believe in, let alone > visit, saints, who is as far removed from the "problem" of the domes as > anyone can be - then, by all means, I will take up the gauntlet. I will do > your work for you, you who want all the advantages of your precious Dome plus > have access to all the other charlatans who pass through that town of yours > even though you know it goes against Movement policy. You want ME to address > this for YOU. Fine, just give me real evidence this occurred and I'll write a > letter to Bevan. > > > > > > > > ____ > > From: Ann > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:15 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly > > at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > à> > Thank God for those who will take a real stand. > > > > > > > > > > > > Back to the subject of protesting the seeming injustices - if the > > > limitations bother some people so much then eventually this is going to > > > take > > > it's toll and sooner or later people who resent having their lives > > > dictated > > > to them regarding what they can do or not do, see or not see, read or not > > > read, attend or not attend is going to have to be resolved one way or > > > another. I still say organization is a really good way to go. If you fear > > > making a stand all by your little lonesome then assemble with your friends > > > and like-minded people who can create a bigger force, a movement with some > > > clout. > > > > > > What I have a problem with is those who complain and whine and wish it > > > could > > > be diffe
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Hi Susan, I made my offer not knowing that Bevan's email address is accessible to everyone. Since it is, I'll leave it up to you whether or not you pass along your good idea. Share From: Susan To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 6:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield Share, yes feel free to get the idea to Bevan! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > Without the mention of “Rick†because I wouldn’t go. > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Share Long > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 7:07 AM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors > Assembly at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > Susan, would it be ok with you if I were to send this suggestion to Bevan? I > think it's a great idea. Share > > > > > > _ > > From: Susan mailto:wayback71@...> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 6:44 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at > MUM Fairfield > > > > > > Here's an idea, an experiment: Have a 4 week period where anyone who ever got > the siddhis can come and fly in the Domes. The TMO could give out special > colored badges in advance. No background checks or eliminating a person > because they saw another saint etc. Just anyone can come, everyone very > welcome, fly in to town for this, if need be. A really welcoming, genuine > atmosphere. > > Then, see how it goes for those 4 weeks - Maybe things would improve in some > way: more people would attend, the energy in the Domes would be more > powerful. Even maybe it would inspire those attending to come regularly > again. And Maybe the TMO would see it was all so wonderful and created such > goodwill that they would drop the restrictions in the future. It would be an > experiment. And it is a way to see, really, if there are "enough" people > around still wanting to do program in the Domes in Fairfield, Iowa. Heck, > even Rick would be admitted. At the least, it would be a fun social time, and > at best a real motivator for people to do program in the Domes. I like to > think that MMY himself would go for this. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > , "Buck" mailto:dhamiltony2k5@> > wrote: > > > > Son, you were not here so don't just assume things but yes your advice > > below is good and true about the fourth estate below. That is also how > > things get done around here. Obviously they read this page and others about > > themselves and can move in ways accordingly. The meeting was a TM movement > > style public meeting where they control the stage seats and microphones in > > their way of decorum. Very top-down with the authority up front in the > > stuffed chairs with the mics. We're an extremely verbal group, but. When > > the mics were opened up a bunch of people lined up for the floor mics and > > the line got worked through. Mostly sincere people and some aggravated > > people too get up thinking to solve the problem in little ways. A couple > > good new ideas come but nothing of fundamental change offered. Not many > > people from in the town. Mostly concerned earnest faith-based kind of > > movement people who are not really going to jeopardize their access to > > everything by speaking out much truth to power. Though as soon as the meeting is over folks are talking to one another about real things. The enforced steady decorum of the moderated mic was not really about discussion. Just quick consideration of one point per and the point would be referred to further consideration in some groups. Mayor Malloy as a meditator did do an excellent job of moderating the usual community crazies too who get up to any open mics in any public meeting. After a while they announced the last comment as the mic went to a guy that it was getting late and the meeting was to end. So it went. Nothing really substantial related to our community deficit in the Dome numbers and who was responsible. > > -Buck > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > &g
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But Ann, this is exactly what you did. You, as you say, went off half cocked, using a very derogatory term to refer to Bevan. And there is no buck for me to pass to you or for you to pass to me. I have my experience and info and opinions and beneficial action to take and I take them to the best of my ability, as do you. I believed Rick's story. AND I needed to know more. Moreover, I certainly know very little about the whole situation between LB and the TMO. I look forward to reading the papers that Judy posted and to having more info on which to base my thinking and acting with regards to all this. From: Ann To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:  It's pretty easy and will only cost you a little time and effort. You can write Bevan an email telling him how you feel about what he did. I would certainly do this if someone can assure me that this is, in fact, something he actually did to LB. No problem at all. But I will not go off half-cocked and accuse someone of something that is hearsay. Give me the goods and I will write Bevan a letter. I will publish this letter on FFL.  You can write as a former student, as someone who has come to admire LB, as someone who thanks God when others take a real stand. Bevan's email address is available on the MUM website. Can you say with 100% certainty that your writing to him will not do some good?   I can say very little with certainty. But if you want to pass the buck to me - someone who no longer meditates, who is no longer allowed on campus the last I heard, who didn't know Mr Shriver but who admires what little I do know about him, who doesn't live in FF and who does not believe in, let alone visit, saints, who is as far removed from the "problem" of the domes as anyone can be - then, by all means, I will take up the gauntlet. I will do your work for you, you who want all the advantages of your precious Dome plus have access to all the other charlatans who pass through that town of yours even though you know it goes against Movement policy. You want ME to address this for YOU. Fine, just give me real evidence this occurred and I'll write a letter to Bevan. > > > > > From: Ann > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:15 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at > MUM Fairfield > > > >  > Thank God for those who will take a real stand. > > > > > > > > Back to the subject of protesting the seeming injustices - if the > > limitations bother some people so much then eventually this is going to take > > it's toll and sooner or later people who resent having their lives dictated > > to them regarding what they can do or not do, see or not see, read or not > > read, attend or not attend is going to have to be resolved one way or > > another. I still say organization is a really good way to go. If you fear > > making a stand all by your little lonesome then assemble with your friends > > and like-minded people who can create a bigger force, a movement with some > > clout. > > > > What I have a problem with is those who complain and whine and wish it could > > be different but don't engage in the actual activities that could bring this > > about. On the other hand, maybe give up the 'saints' and focus on TM. You > > either have to come together to change the system in great numbers or you're > > going to have to accept Movement policy. > > > > > > > > The TMO has used a divide and subjugate approach all along. Individuals are > > afraid of getting kicked out, so they toe the line, or sneak around. If > > everyone, as a body, were to say "bug off. We're grownups. Kick us all out > > if you want to, but we're not going to be told what we may or may not do in > > our private lives", the movement would be faced with the choice of backing > > down or losing the majority of its participants and donors. But cults > > operate on the basis of "group think". They rely upon and try to reinforce > > people's lemming-like tendencies. So the way it's unfolded here, people have > > grown up individually and left the incubator when they felt hatched enough > > to do so. Fairfield has a large and growing eclectic, free-thinking > > spiritual community outside of the TMO. Even some within the TMO seem to be > > recognizing that that's a healthy thing (e.g., Hagelin speaking at > > conferences), but they are always counterbalanced by more conservative > > forces who think they are protecting the movement, while in fact they are > > diminishing and isolating it. > > >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Dr. PS, I'm not a TM gov but my guess is that Bevan holds > to maintaining the purity of the teaching as being very > pragmatic as well as the right thing for him to do, which > is an admirable quality IMHO. It might be, if there were an actual tradition to be "pure" about. There isn't. Maharishi made it up. Bevan's allegiance is to the *myth* of there being an actual teaching passed down from long tradition to protect the "purity" of.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > From Nabby: > "If you invite anyone who wants to come just because they learned the > TMSP at some point you could get a lot of people in the Domes doing all > sorts of woo-woo. Do you really want to be part of such an experiment?" > > This is exactly the kind of bullshit I-Believe-Whatever-Marshy-and-Company-Says-Is-Gospel that allows the Movement and its lying leaders to, as Rick so eloquently put it, diminish and isolate the TMO itself. > > When you think TMO leaders, think Gil Favor and Rowdy Yates - > cattle drovers. > > As near as I can figger it, the magnanimous gesture of a free rounding course is a ploy on the part of the TMO to ferret out the number of governors who are apostate or OTP and tell them to straighten up or get out. > > Are these bastards really that paranoid? That was a close one Mikey. I mean I don't think you're going to get the Occum's Razor Award for the month of May, or even a close runner up, but you still were able to put some salve on the CD this free rounding course has caused you. It certainly can't be a goodwill gesture on the part of the powers that be to entice people to come back for a taste of SR. There's got to be some malevolent intent behind it, and it looks like you've ferreted out just that intent. All is well. > Oh, but since this is 50 for me, Nabby, are you saying that if Benjy Creme wanted to come and do some Maitreya woo woo in the Dome while you were in there, you would tell him to stay home?  Who! > > Also Nabby's assertion that the TMO is enjoying "historic success" is formulated and expressed with the same substances that your much vaunted guru Marshy and his minions like Big Bopper Bevan and Johnnie I-Wanna-Be-Taken-Seriously-As-A-Physicist Hagelin have always used - smoke, mirrors and vapor. > > And finally, regarding Dick Mays' post, prizes for Dome attendance? DVD players and crap > like that? This is a new low even for a corrupt, pathetic rip-off organization like Marshy's Con Artist Army. It shows how pathetic Dome attendance is because very few people give a damn about the Domes and TMSP. > > Regardless of whatever bullcrap feste and nabby are thinking of retorting, the proof is in the pudding. If the TMO was enjoying "historic success" the TMO wouldn't have to resort to dangling door prizes and raffles in front of Marshy sycophants to get asses in the Dome. > > Oh and for Bhairitu, what were the Age of Enlightenment courses? > > > > >  >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
Dr. PS, I'm not a TM gov but my guess is that Bevan holds to maintaining the purity of the teaching as being very pragmatic as well as the right thing for him to do, which is an admirable quality IMHO. From what I can see, he is working hand in hand with DLF and Hagelin who has perhaps a more liberal approach to questions of getting the TM message out there. And I'm guessing that Bevan is like all the rest of us, he changes because he's human and alive and thus it's inevitable. From: drpsutphen To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 6:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield Why would Bevan change one iota from anything he's done in the past? He knows he's right, you're wrong and that is that. He's not pragmatic at all. He'll stick to the "purity of the teaching" as everything collapses around him because that is the "right" thing to do. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > Share, yes feel free to get the idea to Bevan! > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > Without the mention of “Rick†because I wouldn’t go. > > > > > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Share Long > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 7:07 AM > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors > > Assembly at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, would it be ok with you if I were to send this suggestion to Bevan? > > I think it's a great idea. Share > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > From: Susan mailto:wayback71@> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 6:44 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly > > at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's an idea, an experiment: Have a 4 week period where anyone who ever > > got the siddhis can come and fly in the Domes. The TMO could give out > > special colored badges in advance. No background checks or eliminating a > > person because they saw another saint etc. Just anyone can come, everyone > > very welcome, fly in to town for this, if need be. A really welcoming, > > genuine atmosphere. > > > > Then, see how it goes for those 4 weeks - Maybe things would improve in > > some way: more people would attend, the energy in the Domes would be more > > powerful. Even maybe it would inspire those attending to come regularly > > again. And Maybe the TMO would see it was all so wonderful and created such > > goodwill that they would drop the restrictions in the future. It would be > > an experiment. And it is a way to see, really, if there are "enough" people > > around still wanting to do program in the Domes in Fairfield, Iowa. Heck, > > even Rick would be admitted. At the least, it would be a fun social time, > > and at best a real motivator for people to do program in the Domes. I like > > to think that MMY himself would go for this. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Buck" > <mailto:dhamiltony2k5@> > wrote: > > > > > > Son, you were not here so don't just assume things but yes your advice > > > below is good and true about the fourth estate below. That is also how > > > things get done around here. Obviously they read this page and others > > > about themselves and can move in ways accordingly. The meeting was a TM > > > movement style public meeting where they control the stage seats and > > > microphones in their way of decorum. Very top-down with the authority up > > > front in the stuffed chairs with the mics. We're an extremely verbal > > > group, but. When the mics were opened up a bunch of people lined up for > > > the floor mics and the line got worked through. Mostly sincere people and > > > some aggravated people too get up thinking to solve the problem in little > > > ways. A couple good new ideas come but nothing of fundamental change > > > offered. Not many people from in the town. Mostly concerned earnest > > > faith-based kind of movement people who are not really going to > > > jeopardize their acce
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
FWIW, it seems to me that "my" Sanskrit versions of the suutras might be perhaps a bit more hmmm... effective than those in my own language. Haven't been able to figger out all the TMSP suutras in Sanskrit, though, e.g. XII.) (My Sanskrit YF suutra is a "stripped-down" version of the original suutra, whereas those I've seen on the Net [minet.org?] seem to based rather on Bhoja's or Vyaasa's commentary...) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > How about you, Ann? Will you take a real stand? It's pretty easy and > > will only cost you a little time and effort. You can write Bevan an email > > telling him how you feel about what he did. You can write as a former > > student, as someone who has come to admire LB, as someone who thanks God > > when others take a real stand. Bevan's email address is available on the > > MUM website. Can you say with 100% certainty that your writing to him > > will not do some good?   > > My guess is that all this whining won't impress Bevan one bit. > > Thing is, you are on the greatest path, handed down from the great > holy tradition, life in perfect bliss and harmony with all the laws > of nature etc. Why would anyone want to dilute that by seeing other > scammers - sorry, saints. > > It's not much of a tribute to Marshy if all anyone wants to do > is grovel at the feet of some other guru who cannot possibly know > as much about enlightenment and how to gain it as the greatest > seer ever. > > And there's worse to come, what if someone goes to see another > teacher and he gets taught a technique that interferes with their > TMSP? What if that pollutes the dome atmosphere with people doing > other tehcniques (which has happened a lot)? What if everyone > else hears about it and goes somewhere else and you all miss a > lecture by Bevan? > > This is the sort of thing they will be thinking whenever they get > a letter about relaxing rules. It's their *job* to keep everyone > on the right path. They aren't interested in allocating similar > credence to other guru's, they don't want you to think it's a > level playing filed where everyone's teaching is a valid path. > Marshy spent a lot of time cultivating a superiority complex > in TM teachers. Going through the TMO is *supposed* to make you > think it's far and away the best thing going. Ever. > > I actually have a bit of sympathy for the TMO here, if I was > in charge I'd be keen to see everyone staying in the one boat > rather than jumping about and becoming less single pointed > about following the teaching. There isn't enough time to do > other things properly. If you really believe TM is the best you > won't want to see your flock going elsewhere. Marshy's warning > that the technique will be lost is probably ringing in Bevans > ears every time he hears the words FFL. > > What they should be wondering is why so many want to see other teachers but > what they will think is that everyone is just "unstressing" and should just > do more asanas until it passes. > > As they say when you move to Skelmersdale: we are happy for you > to explore other teachings, just don't do it here! > > > > > From: Ann > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:15 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly > > at MUM Fairfield > > > > > > > >  > > Thank God for those who will take a real stand. > > > > > > > > > > > > Back to the subject of protesting the seeming injustices - if the > > > limitations bother some people so much then eventually this is going to > > > take > > > it's toll and sooner or later people who resent having their lives > > > dictated > > > to them regarding what they can do or not do, see or not see, read or not > > > read, attend or not attend is going to have to be resolved one way or > > > another. I still say organization is a really good way to go. If you fear > > > making a stand all by your little lonesome then assemble with your friends > > > and like-minded people who can create a bigger force, a movement with some > > > clout. > > > > > > What I have a problem with is those who complain and whine and wish it > > > could > > > be different but don't engage in the actual activities that could br
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > How about you, Ann? Will you take a real stand? It's pretty easy and will > only cost you a little time and effort. You can write Bevan an email > telling him how you feel about what he did. You can write as a former > student, as someone who has come to admire LB, as someone who thanks God when > others take a real stand. Bevan's email address is available on the MUM > website. Can you say with 100% certainty that your writing to him will not > do some good?   My guess is that all this whining won't impress Bevan one bit. Thing is, you are on the greatest path, handed down from the great holy tradition, life in perfect bliss and harmony with all the laws of nature etc. Why would anyone want to dilute that by seeing other scammers - sorry, saints. It's not much of a tribute to Marshy if all anyone wants to do is grovel at the feet of some other guru who cannot possibly know as much about enlightenment and how to gain it as the greatest seer ever. And there's worse to come, what if someone goes to see another teacher and he gets taught a technique that interferes with their TMSP? What if that pollutes the dome atmosphere with people doing other tehcniques (which has happened a lot)? What if everyone else hears about it and goes somewhere else and you all miss a lecture by Bevan? This is the sort of thing they will be thinking whenever they get a letter about relaxing rules. It's their *job* to keep everyone on the right path. They aren't interested in allocating similar credence to other guru's, they don't want you to think it's a level playing filed where everyone's teaching is a valid path. Marshy spent a lot of time cultivating a superiority complex in TM teachers. Going through the TMO is *supposed* to make you think it's far and away the best thing going. Ever. I actually have a bit of sympathy for the TMO here, if I was in charge I'd be keen to see everyone staying in the one boat rather than jumping about and becoming less single pointed about following the teaching. There isn't enough time to do other things properly. If you really believe TM is the best you won't want to see your flock going elsewhere. Marshy's warning that the technique will be lost is probably ringing in Bevans ears every time he hears the words FFL. What they should be wondering is why so many want to see other teachers but what they will think is that everyone is just "unstressing" and should just do more asanas until it passes. As they say when you move to Skelmersdale: we are happy for you to explore other teachings, just don't do it here! > ________ > From: Ann > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:15 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at > MUM Fairfield > > > >  > Thank God for those who will take a real stand. > > > > > > > > Back to the subject of protesting the seeming injustices - if the > > limitations bother some people so much then eventually this is going to take > > it's toll and sooner or later people who resent having their lives dictated > > to them regarding what they can do or not do, see or not see, read or not > > read, attend or not attend is going to have to be resolved one way or > > another. I still say organization is a really good way to go. If you fear > > making a stand all by your little lonesome then assemble with your friends > > and like-minded people who can create a bigger force, a movement with some > > clout. > > > > What I have a problem with is those who complain and whine and wish it could > > be different but don't engage in the actual activities that could bring this > > about. On the other hand, maybe give up the 'saints' and focus on TM. You > > either have to come together to change the system in great numbers or you're > > going to have to accept Movement policy. > > > > > > > > The TMO has used a divide and subjugate approach all along. Individuals are > > afraid of getting kicked out, so they toe the line, or sneak around. If > > everyone, as a body, were to say "bug off. We're grownups. Kick us all out > > if you want to, but we're not going to be told what we may or may not do in > > our private lives", the movement would be faced with the choice of backing > > down or losing the majority of its participants and donors. But cults > > operate on the basis of "group think". They rely upon and try to reinforce > > people's lemming-like tendencies. So the way it's unfolded her
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > How about you, Ann? Will you take a real stand? Oh dear, dear Share. Will I take a real stand? Yes, Share I would and I have and will continue to do so when I feel it is appropriate or if I get so pissed off I can't help myself. Because you don't actually know me, though you should have a pretty good feeling for who I am by now (I hide nothing. It doesn't take a Sherlock to figure me out.) you shouldn't have to ask me this question. You at least know a bit of my history with Robin and some of what I did by the end in order to create 'an end'. You have read some of my posts. For you to ask this means you still don't 'get me' but I am, in fact, transparent.  It's pretty easy and will only cost you a little time and effort. You can write Bevan an email telling him how you feel about what he did. I would certainly do this if someone can assure me that this is, in fact, something he actually did to LB. No problem at all. But I will not go off half-cocked and accuse someone of something that is hearsay. Give me the goods and I will write Bevan a letter. I will publish this letter on FFL.  You can write as a former student, as someone who has come to admire LB, as someone who thanks God when others take a real stand. Bevan's email address is available on the MUM website. Can you say with 100% certainty that your writing to him will not do some good?   I can say very little with certainty. But if you want to pass the buck to me - someone who no longer meditates, who is no longer allowed on campus the last I heard, who didn't know Mr Shriver but who admires what little I do know about him, who doesn't live in FF and who does not believe in, let alone visit, saints, who is as far removed from the "problem" of the domes as anyone can be - then, by all means, I will take up the gauntlet. I will do your work for you, you who want all the advantages of your precious Dome plus have access to all the other charlatans who pass through that town of yours even though you know it goes against Movement policy. You want ME to address this for YOU. Fine, just give me real evidence this occurred and I'll write a letter to Bevan. > > > > > From: Ann > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:15 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at > MUM Fairfield > > > >  > Thank God for those who will take a real stand. > > > > > > > > Back to the subject of protesting the seeming injustices - if the > > limitations bother some people so much then eventually this is going to take > > it's toll and sooner or later people who resent having their lives dictated > > to them regarding what they can do or not do, see or not see, read or not > > read, attend or not attend is going to have to be resolved one way or > > another. I still say organization is a really good way to go. If you fear > > making a stand all by your little lonesome then assemble with your friends > > and like-minded people who can create a bigger force, a movement with some > > clout. > > > > What I have a problem with is those who complain and whine and wish it could > > be different but don't engage in the actual activities that could bring this > > about. On the other hand, maybe give up the 'saints' and focus on TM. You > > either have to come together to change the system in great numbers or you're > > going to have to accept Movement policy. > > > > > > > > The TMO has used a divide and subjugate approach all along. Individuals are > > afraid of getting kicked out, so they toe the line, or sneak around. If > > everyone, as a body, were to say "bug off. We're grownups. Kick us all out > > if you want to, but we're not going to be told what we may or may not do in > > our private lives", the movement would be faced with the choice of backing > > down or losing the majority of its participants and donors. But cults > > operate on the basis of "group think". They rely upon and try to reinforce > > people's lemming-like tendencies. So the way it's unfolded here, people have > > grown up individually and left the incubator when they felt hatched enough > > to do so. Fairfield has a large and growing eclectic, free-thinking > > spiritual community outside of the TMO. Even some within the TMO seem to be > > recognizing that that's a healthy thing (e.g., Hagelin speaking at > > conferences), but they are always counterbalanced by more conservative > > forces who think they are protecting the movement, while in fact they are > > diminishing and isolating it. > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
How about you, Ann? Will you take a real stand? It's pretty easy and will only cost you a little time and effort. You can write Bevan an email telling him how you feel about what he did. You can write as a former student, as someone who has come to admire LB, as someone who thanks God when others take a real stand. Bevan's email address is available on the MUM website. Can you say with 100% certainty that your writing to him will not do some good? From: Ann To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:15 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield Thank God for those who will take a real stand. > > > > Back to the subject of protesting the seeming injustices - if the > limitations bother some people so much then eventually this is going to take > it's toll and sooner or later people who resent having their lives dictated > to them regarding what they can do or not do, see or not see, read or not > read, attend or not attend is going to have to be resolved one way or > another. I still say organization is a really good way to go. If you fear > making a stand all by your little lonesome then assemble with your friends > and like-minded people who can create a bigger force, a movement with some > clout. > > What I have a problem with is those who complain and whine and wish it could > be different but don't engage in the actual activities that could bring this > about. On the other hand, maybe give up the 'saints' and focus on TM. You > either have to come together to change the system in great numbers or you're > going to have to accept Movement policy. > > > > The TMO has used a divide and subjugate approach all along. Individuals are > afraid of getting kicked out, so they toe the line, or sneak around. If > everyone, as a body, were to say "bug off. We're grownups. Kick us all out > if you want to, but we're not going to be told what we may or may not do in > our private lives", the movement would be faced with the choice of backing > down or losing the majority of its participants and donors. But cults > operate on the basis of "group think". They rely upon and try to reinforce > people's lemming-like tendencies. So the way it's unfolded here, people have > grown up individually and left the incubator when they felt hatched enough > to do so. Fairfield has a large and growing eclectic, free-thinking > spiritual community outside of the TMO. Even some within the TMO seem to be > recognizing that that's a healthy thing (e.g., Hagelin speaking at > conferences), but they are always counterbalanced by more conservative > forces who think they are protecting the movement, while in fact they are > diminishing and isolating it. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
On 05/30/2013 06:39 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: > Oh and for Bhairitu, what were the Age of Enlightenment courses? Those were the course held for TM teachers to learn the TM Sidhis.
