Thank you Michael,
I am at work and have just skimmed your reply, and realize this is a
text I will have to come back and exrecize my intellect on to
understand more profoundly :-)
JGD
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> > peterklutz <[EMAI
--- Michael Dean Goodman wrote:
>
> heart has a feeling - an attraction
> or repulsion - then the whole rest of
> the individuality (the intellect, and
> its servants, the mind and senses)
> go out and FIND evidence to support,
> to validate, that belief.
Our photography teacher at MIU, whose
--- Michael Dean Goodman wrote:
>
> heart has a feeling - an attraction
> or repulsion - then the whole rest of
> the individuality (the intellect, and
> its servants, the mind and senses)
> go out and FIND evidence to support,
> to validate, that belief.
Our photography teacher at MIU, whose
> --- Peter wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone had a clear experience of ritam bhara
> > pragya? I ask because I would love to hear about
> your experience. I've only had one clear experience of
> > rhitam bhara pragya (RBP) and that was before I
> > started TM. I only knew what it was several years
> > lat
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman
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> > So, where does mind stop and intellect start? Any hard criteria?
>
> The mechanics of perception and discrimination that our intellect
> would LIKE us to believe in goes like this: sensory input comes in
> > --- Peter wrote:
> > >
> > > Has anyone had a clear experience of ritam bhara
> > > pragya? I ask because I would love to hear about
> > your
> > > experience. I've only had one clear experience of
> > > rhitam bhara pragya (RBP) and that was before I
> > > started TM.
Peter, yesterday evenin
> peterklutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, where does mind stop and intellect start? Any hard criteria?
The mechanics of perception and discrimination that our intellect
would LIKE us to believe in goes like this: sensory input comes in
from the objective world, is registered by the mind and t
(snip)
"The intellect is the discriminator, which makes it possible for us to
> make decisions -- buddhi (intellect) throws light on the mind to
make
> decisions possible (and thank God, it enables Prez Bush to say "I am
> the decider").
My experience is different:
For me the 'mind' is everyt
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> Yoga Vasistha is very good -- the book is Vasistha's Yoga by Swami
> Venkatesananda, State university of New York Press. Can order through
> 21st Century books, (at MUM), or Amazon.com. (don't bother with the
> abridged
Yoga Vasistha is very good -- the book is Vasistha's Yoga by Swami
Venkatesananda, State university of New York Press. Can order through
21st Century books, (at MUM), or Amazon.com. (don't bother with the
abridged version -- just the full version). Read some daily.
> > > >
> > > > Also, has M
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>
> So, where does mind stop and intellect start? Any hard criteria?
>
> Also, has MMY indicated any "required" reading (shortlist preferred)
> to give the mind/intellect the stuff it needs to completely
> grasp/stab
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
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> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz"
> > wrote:
> > > >
> >
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
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> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz"
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Reading MMY's comments on the BG it's obvious that
> > > intellectually
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>
> Reading the BG it seems mind and intellect are two distinct faculties.
>
> Most of us probably have a good idea what "mind" is, but what is
> "intellect?"
Intellect is what gives rise to mind. You can't have tho
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Patrick Gillam wrote:
> >
> > > --- Peter wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ritam bhara pragya
> > > >
> > > > The intent to know something gives
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz"
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> > Reading MMY's comments on the BG it's obvious that
> > intellectually understanding higher states is required,
> > lest confusion should set in.
>
It would seem you would be uniquely positioned to comment on this:
what about nutcases who think they are Alexander the Great..?
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... the mind always functions like
> this and that everyone is always functioning from th
Reading the BG it seems mind and intellect are two distinct faculties.
Most of us probably have a good idea what "mind" is, but what is
"intellect?"
In what way is "intellect" different from "mind?"
Where does mind stop and intellect start?
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>
> --- Patrick Gillam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > --- Peter wrote:
> > >
> > > Ritam bhara pragya
> > >
> > > The intent to know something gives rise
> > > to the immediate fulfillment of that intent
> > clearly
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> --- Peter wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone had a clear experience of ritam bhara
> > pragya? I ask because I would love to hear about
> your
> > experience. I've only had one clear experience of
> > rhitam bhara pragya (RBP) and that was before I
> > star
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> --- Peter wrote:
> >
> > Ritam bhara pragya
> >
> > The intent to know something gives rise
> > to the immediate fulfillment of that intent
> clearly
> > and completely.
>
> I haven't had clear, diagram-like knowledge, but I
> certainly have ha
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
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> >
> >
> > --- peterklutz wrote:
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > on 9/15/06 3:46 PM, peterklut
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" wrote:
> >
> > Reading MMY's comments on the BG it's obvious that
> > intellectually understanding higher states is required,
> > lest confusion should set in.
>
>
Is being scatterbrained your "normal" state of awareness? Is there
something wrong with the cabling from your eyes to your brain that
make the letters appear different than what they are? Is there
something wrong with your brain as it attempts to process the
information it receives? Are you just b
--- Peter wrote:
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> Ritam bhara pragya
>
> The intent to know something gives rise
> to the immediate fulfillment of that intent clearly
> and completely.
I haven't had clear, diagram-like knowledge, but I
certainly have had answers come upon asking a
question. Once I asked a co-worker how a
--- Peter wrote:
>
> Has anyone had a clear experience of ritam bhara
> pragya? I ask because I would love to hear about your
> experience. I've only had one clear experience of
> rhitam bhara pragya (RBP) and that was before I
> started TM. I only knew what it was several years
> later on TTC when
Has anyone had a clear experience of ritam bhara
pragya? I ask because I would love to hear about your
experience. I've only had one clear experience of
rhitam bhara pragya (RBP) and that was before I
started TM. I only knew what it was several years
later on TTC when MMY mentioned it and said that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> Seems like 'mahat' (mahat-tattva[sp?]: the great principle)
> also means 'intellect':
>
> 1 mahat mfn. (orig. pr. p. of 1. %{mah} ; strong form , %{mahAnt}
f. %
> {mahatI4} ; in ep. often %{mahat} for %{mahAntam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Reading MMY's comments on the BG it's obvious that
> intellectually understanding higher states is required,
> lest confusion should set in.
And in many other traditions, they would say
that for anyone who actuall
I think you misunderstand the question: stop and start refer to the
boundaries of mind and intellect, respectively - not their functional
status.
Moreover, the problem is not how "normal" a state is with reference to
the Universe/Cosmos in toto, but the discrepancy between this state
and other st
Seems like 'mahat' (mahat-tattva[sp?]: the great principle)
also means 'intellect':
1 mahat mfn. (orig. pr. p. of 1. %{mah} ; strong form , %{mahAnt} f. %
{mahatI4} ; in ep. often %{mahat} for %{mahAntam} ; ibc. mostly %
{mahA} q.v.) great (in space , time , quantity or degree)
(rarely n. sci
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> So, where does mind stop and intellect start? Any hard criteria?
Is that even a valid question? Looking at the stuff that Fred's been doiing, we
know when
"mind" stops: the thalamus reduces activity to the point
So, where does mind stop and intellect start? Any hard criteria?
Also, has MMY indicated any "required" reading (shortlist preferred)
to give the mind/intellect the stuff it needs to completely
grasp/stabilize experiences TC/CC?
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Thanks!
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- peterklutz wrote:
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > on 9/15/06 3:46 PM, p
Thanks!
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>
> --- peterklutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > on 9/15/06 3:46 PM, peterklutz at peterklutz@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > What is the T
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> --- peterklutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > on 9/15/06 3:46 PM, peterklutz at peterklutz@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > What is the TM/MMY-app
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> --- peterklutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What was the skt original for "thruth-saying/bearing
> > intellect?"
>
> Ritam bhara pragya
>
> The subjective experience of this very fine level of
> the intellect is that
--- peterklutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > on 9/15/06 3:46 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >
> > > What is the TM/MMY-approved sanskrit word for
> "intellect?"
> > >
> > pragya
> >
>
> Soun
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> What is the TM/MMY-approved sanskrit word for "intellect?"
>
blind obedience.
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote:
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> > on 9/15/06 3:46 PM, peterklutz at peterklutz@ wrote:
> >
> > > What is the TM/MMY-approved sanskrit word for "intellect?"
> > >
> > pragya
> >
>
>
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> On Sep 15, 2006, at 6:07 PM, bob_brigante wrote:
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> > Although the TMO (and others) use the term "Pragya aparadh" to mean
> > the mistake of the intellect ( http://www.ar-
> > t.org/Salient_Words/Indirectly_Related
On Sep 15, 2006, at 6:07 PM, bob_brigante wrote:
> Although the TMO (and others) use the term "Pragya aparadh" to mean
> the mistake of the intellect ( http://www.ar-
> t.org/Salient_Words/Indirectly_Related/Flu_virus/flu_virus.html ),
> buddhi means intellect (which everybody has), pragya means "
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote:
> >
> > on 9/15/06 3:46 PM, peterklutz at peterklutz@ wrote:
> >
> > > What is the TM/MMY-approved sanskrit word for "intellect?"
> > >
> > pragya
> >
>
Maharishi Ayurveda on buddhi, the finest aspect of mind which allows us
to d
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> on 9/15/06 3:46 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > What is the TM/MMY-approved sanskrit word for "intellect?"
> >
> pragya
>
Although the TMO (and others) use the term "Pragya apar
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> on 9/15/06 3:46 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > What is the TM/MMY-approved sanskrit word for "intellect?"
> >
> pragya
>
Sounds like a compound - what does it mean literally?
What was the skt ori
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> What is the TM/MMY-approved sanskrit word for "intellect?"
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> What's really funny for me right now is how everything is flipped
> upside down and inside out. I have zero formal training in
> self-inquiry, and asking myself "who am I" used to result in
nothing
> but frustrat
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> > That the simple statment, "the intellect is a quite useful*
> > tool in the attainment of higher states" was found so
> > i
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> > > > > That the simple statment, "the intellect is a quite useful*
> > > > > tool in the attainment of higher states" was found so
> > > > > incorrect by some readers as to be hilarious, at least
> > > > > can't help
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> > > That the simple statment,
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> > > > > That the simple statment, "the intellect is a quite useful*
> > > > > tool in the attainment of higher states" was found so
> > > > > incorrect by some readers as to be hilarious, at least
> > > > > can't help
> > > > That the simple statment, "the intellect is a quite useful*
> > > > tool in the attainment of higher states" was found so
> > > > incorrect by some readers as to be hilarious, at least
> > > > can't help but raise a smile.
> > >
> > > That's a topic I participated in, but it was Barry w
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> > That the simple statment, "the intellect is a quite useful*
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> > in
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> > in
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> That the simple statment, "the intellect is a quite useful*
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That's
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> Everyone agrees that the intellect is essential
> in the attainment of higher states.
Not to nitpick, but not everyone agrees with that. :-)
The intellect is considered valuable by some paths
that have the goal
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> That the simple statment, "the intellect is a quite useful* tool in
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> much t
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