[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > Yeah, I can only speak from experience, in California. My > brother was one of those early casualties (1988, RIP), Very sorry to hear it. > and he had excellent, and free, medical care, the latest drugs > and treatment for the time, both in SF and LA. Unfortunately, > as hard as everyone was working to further the science, it > wasn't fast enough. Even the patients did not understand their > symptoms well, at first. In his case, I saw no evidence, > whatsoever, of anybody denying, or slowing down, his treatment. > > So considering that my brother had no money, and was nobody > special, I have to wonder about the facts of what you read, > or, why he was treated as an apparent anomaly. By the time he died, AIDS had been recognized as a health crisis. But Reagan didn't mention AIDS publicly until *1987*, six years after AIDS had been recognized as a health threat, by which time many thousands had died of it and many more were ill with it. Here's an article from 2004, shortly after Reagan's death, that describes his indifference and its costs: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Reagan-s-AIDS-Legacy-Silence-equals-death-2751030.php http://tinyurl.com/9udrrwb And it wasn't until 1988, when Surgeon General Koop sent a brochure on AIDS to 107 million households, that "safe sex" became a national byword. My point is only that the fight against AIDS got a slow start because those who were most afflicted initially-- gay men, IV drug users, and Haitians--were not at the top of most folks' priority lists (as Ann pointed out). > You may be right, from some statistical measure, in which > case I'd have to say my brother was very fortunate, indeed. He was fortunate (with regard to treatment, at least) to be living in California, where awareness and treatment experience was highest. How long was he sick before he died? When did he find out he was HIV-positive? (I'm not trying to be nosy, simply to understand where he was in terms of the awareness timeline. Feel free to ignore those questions.) > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > I'm well aware of the advances and the difficulties. > > I certainly didn't intend to slight the efforts and > > dedication of the researchers, who did and continue > > to do extraordinary work. > > > > I'm thinking of the fact that your former governor, > > Ronald Reagan, as president didn't think AIDS was > > worth mentioning for far too long; communities sat > > on their hands instead of working on awareness; and > > funds for research were not that high a priority to > > start with. It's a whole 'nother side of the story, > > a very ugly one. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > The scientists working on AIDS are making huge advances in treatment, and > > > have been fiercely dedicated to slowing the spread of AIDS, since it > > > first appeared. Treatment, at least in California, has been, and is, > > > widely available, and income sensitive. The most difficult issue has been > > > that HIV is a virus, and so it is both well protected, and very difficult > > > to eradicate from the body. > > > > > > Considering the brief space of time since the epidemic began, it is > > > nothing short of a miracle, to me, that it is no longer considered 100% > > > fatal, and lifespans of those infected have greatly increased. > > > > > > Back in the late '80's, AIDS = death, automatically, and conclusively. > > > Anti-viral drugs were just being introduced, and they were quite toxic. > > > That is no longer the case, and that is amazing. > > > > > > I am all for further and faster advances, but there has been no shortage > > > of resources put into this battle. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Let's put this discussion on a more factual basis (John, > > > > > this is for your information as well): > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So did his [Liberace's] Jyotish reading indicate he was > > > > > > > a risk taker? A sexual risk taker in particular or just > > > > > > > someone like any other person who is willing to climb > > > > > > > a mountain, jump big jumps on horses, become a Fireman, > > > > > > > join the military, become a prostitute - all risky > > > > > > > behaviour? Of course, gay sex is not necessarily riskier > > > > > > > than hetero sex > > > > > > > > > > At the time, it was *much* riskier because the incidence > > > > > of HIV infection among gay men was much greater than it > > > > > was in heterosexuals. But it isn't known when Liberace > > > > > became HIV-positive. It's been reported that he wa
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
Yeah, I can only speak from experience, in California. My brother was one of those early casualties (1988, RIP), and he had excellent, and free, medical care, the latest drugs and treatment for the time, both in SF and LA. Unfortunately, as hard as everyone was working to further the science, it wasn't fast enough. Even the patients did not understand their symptoms well, at first. In his case, I saw no evidence, whatsoever, of anybody denying, or slowing down, his treatment. So considering that my brother had no money, and was nobody special, I have to wonder about the facts of what you read, or, why he was treated as an apparent anomaly. You may be right, from some statistical measure, in which case I'd have to say my brother was very fortunate, indeed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > I'm well aware of the advances and the difficulties. > I certainly didn't intend to slight the efforts and > dedication of the researchers, who did and continue > to do extraordinary work. > > I'm thinking of the fact that your former governor, > Ronald Reagan, as president didn't think AIDS was > worth mentioning for far too long; communities sat > on their hands instead of working on awareness; and > funds for research were not that high a priority to > start with. It's a whole 'nother side of the story, > a very ugly one. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > The scientists working on AIDS are making huge advances in treatment, and > > have been fiercely dedicated to slowing the spread of AIDS, since it first > > appeared. Treatment, at least in California, has been, and is, widely > > available, and income sensitive. The most difficult issue has been that HIV > > is a virus, and so it is both well protected, and very difficult to > > eradicate from the body. > > > > Considering the brief space of time since the epidemic began, it is nothing > > short of a miracle, to me, that it is no longer considered 100% fatal, and > > lifespans of those infected have greatly increased. > > > > Back in the late '80's, AIDS = death, automatically, and conclusively. > > Anti-viral drugs were just being introduced, and they were quite toxic. > > That is no longer the case, and that is amazing. > > > > I am all for further and faster advances, but there has been no shortage of > > resources put into this battle. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > Let's put this discussion on a more factual basis (John, > > > > this is for your information as well): > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > So did his [Liberace's] Jyotish reading indicate he was > > > > > > a risk taker? A sexual risk taker in particular or just > > > > > > someone like any other person who is willing to climb > > > > > > a mountain, jump big jumps on horses, become a Fireman, > > > > > > join the military, become a prostitute - all risky > > > > > > behaviour? Of course, gay sex is not necessarily riskier > > > > > > than hetero sex > > > > > > > > At the time, it was *much* riskier because the incidence > > > > of HIV infection among gay men was much greater than it > > > > was in heterosexuals. But it isn't known when Liberace > > > > became HIV-positive. It's been reported that he was > > > > already symptomatic in 1985. If so, it means he could > > > > have contracted the virus in the very early days of the > > > > epidemic before enough was known about the disease for > > > > him to have even been aware that gay sex was risky. > > > > > > > > The earliest report of AIDS in a medical publication > > > > was in 1981, when the CDC described a cluster of five > > > > men in Los Angeles who had died of Pneumocystis carinii > > > > pneumonia, one of the otherwise-rare opportunistic > > > > infections to which people with depressed immune > > > > systems are vulnerable. Of course the disease causing > > > > the immune deficiency hadn't yet been identified as > > > > such, and it would be awhile before it was realized > > > > that it could be spread via sexual contact. > > > > > > > > One of the reasons AIDS was able to spread as it did > > > > before it was recognized as a new disease is that the > > > > *average* time from infection to illness is eight to > > > > ten years. > > > > > > > > - just ask those Doctors treating > > > > > > millions of people with AIDS in Africa, for example. > > > > > > Patient 0 in North America just happened to have > > > > > > been a gay man. > > > > > > > > > > Worse, because it contributed to the ongoing prejudice > > > > > against gays, a gay man who was also a rather promiscuous > > > > > flight attendant. He became a one-man pandemic, a Typhoid > > > > > Mary for our
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
I'm well aware of the advances and the difficulties. I certainly didn't intend to slight the efforts and dedication of the researchers, who did and continue to do extraordinary work. I'm thinking of the fact that your former governor, Ronald Reagan, as president didn't think AIDS was worth mentioning for far too long; communities sat on their hands instead of working on awareness; and funds for research were not that high a priority to start with. It's a whole 'nother side of the story, a very ugly one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > The scientists working on AIDS are making huge advances in treatment, and > have been fiercely dedicated to slowing the spread of AIDS, since it first > appeared. Treatment, at least in California, has been, and is, widely > available, and income sensitive. The most difficult issue has been that HIV > is a virus, and so it is both well protected, and very difficult to eradicate > from the body. > > Considering the brief space of time since the epidemic began, it is nothing > short of a miracle, to me, that it is no longer considered 100% fatal, and > lifespans of those infected have greatly increased. > > Back in the late '80's, AIDS = death, automatically, and conclusively. > Anti-viral drugs were just being introduced, and they were quite toxic. That > is no longer the case, and that is amazing. > > I am all for further and faster advances, but there has been no shortage of > resources put into this battle. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > Let's put this discussion on a more factual basis (John, > > > this is for your information as well): > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > So did his [Liberace's] Jyotish reading indicate he was > > > > > a risk taker? A sexual risk taker in particular or just > > > > > someone like any other person who is willing to climb > > > > > a mountain, jump big jumps on horses, become a Fireman, > > > > > join the military, become a prostitute - all risky > > > > > behaviour? Of course, gay sex is not necessarily riskier > > > > > than hetero sex > > > > > > At the time, it was *much* riskier because the incidence > > > of HIV infection among gay men was much greater than it > > > was in heterosexuals. But it isn't known when Liberace > > > became HIV-positive. It's been reported that he was > > > already symptomatic in 1985. If so, it means he could > > > have contracted the virus in the very early days of the > > > epidemic before enough was known about the disease for > > > him to have even been aware that gay sex was risky. > > > > > > The earliest report of AIDS in a medical publication > > > was in 1981, when the CDC described a cluster of five > > > men in Los Angeles who had died of Pneumocystis carinii > > > pneumonia, one of the otherwise-rare opportunistic > > > infections to which people with depressed immune > > > systems are vulnerable. Of course the disease causing > > > the immune deficiency hadn't yet been identified as > > > such, and it would be awhile before it was realized > > > that it could be spread via sexual contact. > > > > > > One of the reasons AIDS was able to spread as it did > > > before it was recognized as a new disease is that the > > > *average* time from infection to illness is eight to > > > ten years. > > > > > > - just ask those Doctors treating > > > > > millions of people with AIDS in Africa, for example. > > > > > Patient 0 in North America just happened to have > > > > > been a gay man. > > > > > > > > Worse, because it contributed to the ongoing prejudice > > > > against gays, a gay man who was also a rather promiscuous > > > > flight attendant. He became a one-man pandemic, a Typhoid > > > > Mary for our times. > > > > > > Well, no, actually he didn't, as it turned out. He would > > > have infected more than a few men, but the idea that he > > > started the epidemic in North America all by himself has > > > been found to have been a myth. A number of gay men like > > > him, who traveled a lot and were promiscuous, were > > > responsible for their own clusters of infection, from > > > which the virus subsequently spread widely. > > > > > > Moreover, it has since been discovered that the first > > > death from AIDS in the U.S. occurred in 1969, and that > > > HIV may have been responsible for even earlier deaths. > > > > > > > Had the AIDS virus infected Warren Beatty, who claims > > > > to have had sex with hundreds and perhaps thousands > > > > of women (he can't remember), would the virus have > > > > been called in its early days "the movie star plague" > > > > instead of what it WAS called, the "gay plague?" > > > > > > Wonderful example of Barry's slovenly thinking. > > > > > > > I think n
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
The scientists working on AIDS are making huge advances in treatment, and have been fiercely dedicated to slowing the spread of AIDS, since it first appeared. Treatment, at least in California, has been, and is, widely available, and income sensitive. The most difficult issue has been that HIV is a virus, and so it is both well protected, and very difficult to eradicate from the body. Considering the brief space of time since the epidemic began, it is nothing short of a miracle, to me, that it is no longer considered 100% fatal, and lifespans of those infected have greatly increased. Back in the late '80's, AIDS = death, automatically, and conclusively. Anti-viral drugs were just being introduced, and they were quite toxic. That is no longer the case, and that is amazing. I am all for further and faster advances, but there has been no shortage of resources put into this battle. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > Let's put this discussion on a more factual basis (John, > > this is for your information as well): > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > So did his [Liberace's] Jyotish reading indicate he was > > > > a risk taker? A sexual risk taker in particular or just > > > > someone like any other person who is willing to climb > > > > a mountain, jump big jumps on horses, become a Fireman, > > > > join the military, become a prostitute - all risky > > > > behaviour? Of course, gay sex is not necessarily riskier > > > > than hetero sex > > > > At the time, it was *much* riskier because the incidence > > of HIV infection among gay men was much greater than it > > was in heterosexuals. But it isn't known when Liberace > > became HIV-positive. It's been reported that he was > > already symptomatic in 1985. If so, it means he could > > have contracted the virus in the very early days of the > > epidemic before enough was known about the disease for > > him to have even been aware that gay sex was risky. > > > > The earliest report of AIDS in a medical publication > > was in 1981, when the CDC described a cluster of five > > men in Los Angeles who had died of Pneumocystis carinii > > pneumonia, one of the otherwise-rare opportunistic > > infections to which people with depressed immune > > systems are vulnerable. Of course the disease causing > > the immune deficiency hadn't yet been identified as > > such, and it would be awhile before it was realized > > that it could be spread via sexual contact. > > > > One of the reasons AIDS was able to spread as it did > > before it was recognized as a new disease is that the > > *average* time from infection to illness is eight to > > ten years. > > > > - just ask those Doctors treating > > > > millions of people with AIDS in Africa, for example. > > > > Patient 0 in North America just happened to have > > > > been a gay man. > > > > > > Worse, because it contributed to the ongoing prejudice > > > against gays, a gay man who was also a rather promiscuous > > > flight attendant. He became a one-man pandemic, a Typhoid > > > Mary for our times. > > > > Well, no, actually he didn't, as it turned out. He would > > have infected more than a few men, but the idea that he > > started the epidemic in North America all by himself has > > been found to have been a myth. A number of gay men like > > him, who traveled a lot and were promiscuous, were > > responsible for their own clusters of infection, from > > which the virus subsequently spread widely. > > > > Moreover, it has since been discovered that the first > > death from AIDS in the U.S. occurred in 1969, and that > > HIV may have been responsible for even earlier deaths. > > > > > Had the AIDS virus infected Warren Beatty, who claims > > > to have had sex with hundreds and perhaps thousands > > > of women (he can't remember), would the virus have > > > been called in its early days "the movie star plague" > > > instead of what it WAS called, the "gay plague?" > > > > Wonderful example of Barry's slovenly thinking. > > > > > I think not. Homophobes keep associating AIDS with > > > gay sex because that fuels their hatred of gays and > > > gives them more justifications for keeping that > > > hatred alive. They have no similar hatred towards > > > movie stars. > > > > AIDS was called the "gay plague" (including by gays) > > because most of the cases of it in the U.S. were in > > gay men. There's no way to sugar-coat this: gay men > > were particularly vulnerable because in those days > > gay men were particularly promiscuous. > > > > But then one has to ask: Why were they so promiscuous? > > There's an excellent case to be made that it was a > > reaction to social prejudice against homosexuality. > > Having many sexual partners was one thing a gay man > > could do to boost his self-est
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > Let's put this discussion on a more factual basis (John, > this is for your information as well): > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > So did his [Liberace's] Jyotish reading indicate he was > > > a risk taker? A sexual risk taker in particular or just > > > someone like any other person who is willing to climb > > > a mountain, jump big jumps on horses, become a Fireman, > > > join the military, become a prostitute - all risky > > > behaviour? Of course, gay sex is not necessarily riskier > > > than hetero sex > > At the time, it was *much* riskier because the incidence > of HIV infection among gay men was much greater than it > was in heterosexuals. But it isn't known when Liberace > became HIV-positive. It's been reported that he was > already symptomatic in 1985. If so, it means he could > have contracted the virus in the very early days of the > epidemic before enough was known about the disease for > him to have even been aware that gay sex was risky. > > The earliest report of AIDS in a medical publication > was in 1981, when the CDC described a cluster of five > men in Los Angeles who had died of Pneumocystis carinii > pneumonia, one of the otherwise-rare opportunistic > infections to which people with depressed immune > systems are vulnerable. Of course the disease causing > the immune deficiency hadn't yet been identified as > such, and it would be awhile before it was realized > that it could be spread via sexual contact. > > One of the reasons AIDS was able to spread as it did > before it was recognized as a new disease is that the > *average* time from infection to illness is eight to > ten years. > > - just ask those Doctors treating > > > millions of people with AIDS in Africa, for example. > > > Patient 0 in North America just happened to have > > > been a gay man. > > > > Worse, because it contributed to the ongoing prejudice > > against gays, a gay man who was also a rather promiscuous > > flight attendant. He became a one-man pandemic, a Typhoid > > Mary for our times. > > Well, no, actually he didn't, as it turned out. He would > have infected more than a few men, but the idea that he > started the epidemic in North America all by himself has > been found to have been a myth. A number of gay men like > him, who traveled a lot and were promiscuous, were > responsible for their own clusters of infection, from > which the virus subsequently spread widely. > > Moreover, it has since been discovered that the first > death from AIDS in the U.S. occurred in 1969, and that > HIV may have been responsible for even earlier deaths. > > > Had the AIDS virus infected Warren Beatty, who claims > > to have had sex with hundreds and perhaps thousands > > of women (he can't remember), would the virus have > > been called in its early days "the movie star plague" > > instead of what it WAS called, the "gay plague?" > > Wonderful example of Barry's slovenly thinking. > > > I think not. Homophobes keep associating AIDS with > > gay sex because that fuels their hatred of gays and > > gives them more justifications for keeping that > > hatred alive. They have no similar hatred towards > > movie stars. > > AIDS was called the "gay plague" (including by gays) > because most of the cases of it in the U.S. were in > gay men. There's no way to sugar-coat this: gay men > were particularly vulnerable because in those days > gay men were particularly promiscuous. > > But then one has to ask: Why were they so promiscuous? > There's an excellent case to be made that it was a > reaction to social prejudice against homosexuality. > Having many sexual partners was one thing a gay man > could do to boost his self-esteem in defiance of the > condemnation. Society didn't allow gay men a lot of > other options. > > Plus which, social disapproval of homosexuality > resulted in significant delays in awareness and > research and treatment. Bottom line, many thousands > more gay men died of AIDS in the U.S. than would have > been the case in the absence of homophobia. For me this is the greatest part of this tragedy. If all AIDS sufferers had been blond haired, blue eyed Caucasian children sired by parents with annual incomes over $100,000 per year this disease, initially, would have been tackled a lot earlier and more aggressively and with many more resources. >
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Judy, Excellent analysis. It appears that you've researched this subject thoroughly. Now everyone has been apprised. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > Let's put this discussion on a more factual basis (John, > this is for your information as well): > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > So did his [Liberace's] Jyotish reading indicate he was > > > a risk taker? A sexual risk taker in particular or just > > > someone like any other person who is willing to climb > > > a mountain, jump big jumps on horses, become a Fireman, > > > join the military, become a prostitute - all risky > > > behaviour? Of course, gay sex is not necessarily riskier > > > than hetero sex > > At the time, it was *much* riskier because the incidence > of HIV infection among gay men was much greater than it > was in heterosexuals. But it isn't known when Liberace > became HIV-positive. It's been reported that he was > already symptomatic in 1985. If so, it means he could > have contracted the virus in the very early days of the > epidemic before enough was known about the disease for > him to have even been aware that gay sex was risky. > > The earliest report of AIDS in a medical publication > was in 1981, when the CDC described a cluster of five > men in Los Angeles who had died of Pneumocystis carinii > pneumonia, one of the otherwise-rare opportunistic > infections to which people with depressed immune > systems are vulnerable. Of course the disease causing > the immune deficiency hadn't yet been identified as > such, and it would be awhile before it was realized > that it could be spread via sexual contact. > > One of the reasons AIDS was able to spread as it did > before it was recognized as a new disease is that the > *average* time from infection to illness is eight to > ten years. > > - just ask those Doctors treating > > > millions of people with AIDS in Africa, for example. > > > Patient 0 in North America just happened to have > > > been a gay man. > > > > Worse, because it contributed to the ongoing prejudice > > against gays, a gay man who was also a rather promiscuous > > flight attendant. He became a one-man pandemic, a Typhoid > > Mary for our times. > > Well, no, actually he didn't, as it turned out. He would > have infected more than a few men, but the idea that he > started the epidemic in North America all by himself has > been found to have been a myth. A number of gay men like > him, who traveled a lot and were promiscuous, were > responsible for their own clusters of infection, from > which the virus subsequently spread widely. > > Moreover, it has since been discovered that the first > death from AIDS in the U.S. occurred in 1969, and that > HIV may have been responsible for even earlier deaths. > > > Had the AIDS virus infected Warren Beatty, who claims > > to have had sex with hundreds and perhaps thousands > > of women (he can't remember), would the virus have > > been called in its early days "the movie star plague" > > instead of what it WAS called, the "gay plague?" > > Wonderful example of Barry's slovenly thinking. > > > I think not. Homophobes keep associating AIDS with > > gay sex because that fuels their hatred of gays and > > gives them more justifications for keeping that > > hatred alive. They have no similar hatred towards > > movie stars. > > AIDS was called the "gay plague" (including by gays) > because most of the cases of it in the U.S. were in > gay men. There's no way to sugar-coat this: gay men > were particularly vulnerable because in those days > gay men were particularly promiscuous. > > But then one has to ask: Why were they so promiscuous? > There's an excellent case to be made that it was a > reaction to social prejudice against homosexuality. > Having many sexual partners was one thing a gay man > could do to boost his self-esteem in defiance of the > condemnation. Society didn't allow gay men a lot of > other options. > > Plus which, social disapproval of homosexuality > resulted in significant delays in awareness and > research and treatment. Bottom line, many thousands > more gay men died of AIDS in the U.S. than would have > been the case in the absence of homophobia. >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: (snip) > One of the reasons AIDS was able to spread as it did > before it was recognized as a new disease Technical note: AIDS isn't actually a disease, it's a "syndrome" (AIDS = acquired immune deficiency syndrome). One doesn't die of AIDS but rather of AIDS-related illnesses that one's immune system would otherwise have prevented. The syndrome is caused by infection with the HIV virus (human immunodeficiency virus), which destroys the immune system.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
Let's put this discussion on a more factual basis (John, this is for your information as well): --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > So did his [Liberace's] Jyotish reading indicate he was > > a risk taker? A sexual risk taker in particular or just > > someone like any other person who is willing to climb > > a mountain, jump big jumps on horses, become a Fireman, > > join the military, become a prostitute - all risky > > behaviour? Of course, gay sex is not necessarily riskier > > than hetero sex At the time, it was *much* riskier because the incidence of HIV infection among gay men was much greater than it was in heterosexuals. But it isn't known when Liberace became HIV-positive. It's been reported that he was already symptomatic in 1985. If so, it means he could have contracted the virus in the very early days of the epidemic before enough was known about the disease for him to have even been aware that gay sex was risky. The earliest report of AIDS in a medical publication was in 1981, when the CDC described a cluster of five men in Los Angeles who had died of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia, one of the otherwise-rare opportunistic infections to which people with depressed immune systems are vulnerable. Of course the disease causing the immune deficiency hadn't yet been identified as such, and it would be awhile before it was realized that it could be spread via sexual contact. One of the reasons AIDS was able to spread as it did before it was recognized as a new disease is that the *average* time from infection to illness is eight to ten years. - just ask those Doctors treating > > millions of people with AIDS in Africa, for example. > > Patient 0 in North America just happened to have > > been a gay man. > > Worse, because it contributed to the ongoing prejudice > against gays, a gay man who was also a rather promiscuous > flight attendant. He became a one-man pandemic, a Typhoid > Mary for our times. Well, no, actually he didn't, as it turned out. He would have infected more than a few men, but the idea that he started the epidemic in North America all by himself has been found to have been a myth. A number of gay men like him, who traveled a lot and were promiscuous, were responsible for their own clusters of infection, from which the virus subsequently spread widely. Moreover, it has since been discovered that the first death from AIDS in the U.S. occurred in 1969, and that HIV may have been responsible for even earlier deaths. > Had the AIDS virus infected Warren Beatty, who claims > to have had sex with hundreds and perhaps thousands > of women (he can't remember), would the virus have > been called in its early days "the movie star plague" > instead of what it WAS called, the "gay plague?" Wonderful example of Barry's slovenly thinking. > I think not. Homophobes keep associating AIDS with > gay sex because that fuels their hatred of gays and > gives them more justifications for keeping that > hatred alive. They have no similar hatred towards > movie stars. AIDS was called the "gay plague" (including by gays) because most of the cases of it in the U.S. were in gay men. There's no way to sugar-coat this: gay men were particularly vulnerable because in those days gay men were particularly promiscuous. But then one has to ask: Why were they so promiscuous? There's an excellent case to be made that it was a reaction to social prejudice against homosexuality. Having many sexual partners was one thing a gay man could do to boost his self-esteem in defiance of the condemnation. Society didn't allow gay men a lot of other options. Plus which, social disapproval of homosexuality resulted in significant delays in awareness and research and treatment. Bottom line, many thousands more gay men died of AIDS in the U.S. than would have been the case in the absence of homophobia.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > So did his [Liberace's] Jyotish reading indicate he was > a risk taker? A sexual risk taker in particular or just > someone like any other person who is willing to climb > a mountain, jump big jumps on horses, become a Fireman, > join the military, become a prostitute - all risky > behaviour? Of course, gay sex is not necessarily riskier > than hetero sex - just ask those Doctors treating > millions of people with AIDS in Africa, for example. > Patient 0 in North America just happened to have > been a gay man. Worse, because it contributed to the ongoing prejudice against gays, a gay man who was also a rather promiscuous flight attendant. He became a one-man pandemic, a Typhoid Mary for our times. Had the AIDS virus infected Warren Beatty, who claims to have had sex with hundreds and perhaps thousands of women (he can't remember), would the virus have been called in its early days "the movie star plague" instead of what it WAS called, the "gay plague?" I think not. Homophobes keep associating AIDS with gay sex because that fuels their hatred of gays and gives them more justifications for keeping that hatred alive. They have no similar hatred towards movie stars.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the reason why Adam and Eve were banished from > > > > > > the Garden of Eden. > > > > > > > > > > Are you INSANE? > > > > > > > > > > Adam and Eve never existed. Nor did the Garden > > > > > of Eden. These are all *stories* made up to > > > > > entertain stupid people. > > > > > > > > Oedipus put his eyes out because he realized he had > > > > married his own mother. > > > > > > > > > Clearly you seem to BE one. > > > > > > > > The fox said the grapes were sour because he was > > > > pissed off that he couldn't reach them. > > > > > > > > > You're ALSO the person who trots out equally > > > > > made-up stories from the Gita or the Vedas to > > > > > excuse inexcusable actions or beliefs. Those > > > > > stories never happened, either, and those > > > > > "people" never existed. They're MYTHS. > > > > > > > > King Midas died of starvation because he had > > > > prayed for the power to turn everything he touched > > > > to gold. > > > > > > > > > The good part about myths is that they can be > > > > > used to teach concepts. The bad part about myths > > > > > is that stupid people tend to believe that the > > > > > stories really happened. > > > > > > > > And then there are the utterly hopeless nitwits > > > > like Barry who can't tell the difference between > > > > someone citing a myth to make a point about what > > > > it teaches, and insisting the myth really happened. > > > > > > > > (This is especially likely to be a source of > > > > confusion when the hopeless nitwit has a desperate > > > > need, like Barry, to put somebody down to make > > > > himself feel More Important. Sometimes these > > > > nitwits are so driven they hallucinate that > > > > *EVERYBODY* is insisting the myth really > > > > happened even when *nobody* is.) > > > > > > > > > And then they trot out the myths AS IF they > > > > > really happened, and use them to excuse their > > > > > bigotry, hatred, and homophobia, as John just > > > > > did above. > > > > > > > > Actually, I don't believe the Adam and Eve myth > > > > had anything to do with homosexuality. At least, > > > > not the one in the Bible that John is referring > > > > to. And the "as if" is in Barry's mind, not in > > > > John's, as is the hatred. That's where the > > > > accusations of bigotry and homophobia come from. > > > > > > > > > > Judy, > > > > > > Excellent observation. You picked my point precisely. > > > One person here on the forum doesn't seem to get it. > > > > I think Barry must have had a harrowing work week and > > needs to scream at folks here so he doesn't end up > > screaming at his boss. > > > > I do disagree with you about Liberace, however, in that > > for him, choosing not to have gay sex would have very > > likely been the equivalent of choosing to have *no* sex. > > I do not believe, if there is a God, that God would ask > > that of homosexuals; nor do I believe that's what the > > biblical verses interpreted to mean homosexual behavior > > is a sin actually mean. > > > > Judy, > > I did not intend to make a judgement on Liberace's sexual persuasion. My > point was that he took a chance to engage in gay sex. It just so happened > that he was exposing himself to a risky behavior which resulted in his > acquiring AIDs. So did his Jyotish reading indicate he was a risk taker? A sexual risk taker in particular or just someone like any other person who is willing to climb a mountain, jump big jumps on horses, become a Fireman, join the military, become a prostitute - all risky behaviour? Of course, gay sex is not necessarily riskier than hetero sex - just ask those Doctors treating millions of people with AIDS in Africa, for example. Patient 0 in North America just happened to have been a gay man. > > I will let the preachers and gurus judge as to the morality of gay sexual > activity. However, one can say that some people have a natural > predisposition for liking people of the same gender. But they don't > necessarily have to have gay sex to satisfy their desire. And those who love members of the opposite sex don't have to engage in hetero sex but it is a natural and common thing to do and will continue to happen as long as humans continue to walk the Earth. Not having sex with someone who is available, attractive, willing and who you perhaps love beyond friendship is as easy and natural as falling off a stool. Just ask Nabby (or Card when he's shunning the gluten). Gay sex, straight sex equals sex and people like it - alot. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > > > > > > > > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > > > > > > > > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > > > > > > > > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > > > > > > > > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > > > > > > > > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > > > > > > > > > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, > > > > > > > > not Adam and Steve! Think harmony with the laws of > > > > > > > > nature Turq, harmony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam and Eve huh? You know, if god made Eve out of Adam's rib > > > > > > > then they shared DNA, which makes them brother and sister. > > > > > > > Which is incest. Now *that* is a law of nature being broken! > > > > > > > > > > > > Almost everyone even in Minnesota might well know, that that's > > > > > > based on mistranslation of a Hebrew word! > > > > > > > > > > Has everyone on this forum LOST THEIR MINDS? > > > > > > > > Well, perhaps but not "everyone" is talking about or evidently believes > > > > in the existence of Adam and Eve once upon a time. > > > > > > > > > > "Adam and Eve" is a MYTH. > > > > > > > > Of course it is, I am not sure there is one person here who doesn't > > > > think so. > > > > > > > > > > As is God. > > > > > > > > That, of course, is less obviously so. > > > > > > > > > > As is the concept of anyone, anywhere, at any point > > > > > in time "knowing" what the "Laws Of Nature" are. > > > > > > > > Perhaps not the "concept" but most likely the 'reality'. Are you sure > > > > "Laws of Nature" actually exist? And if so, how do they differ from the > > > > laws of physics? > > > > > > > > > > Someday I'd love for homophobes to actually "come out" > > > > > and be HONEST. They hate the idea of gay sex because > > > > > either they've been taught to by generations of homo- > > > > > phobes before them, many of them posing as "religious" > > > > > leaders claiming to "know" things that no human can > > > > > know (and many of them closet homosexuals themselves), > > > > > or they're terrified that THEY might have had a few > > > > > gay sex impulses themselves, or both. > > > > > > > > I don't believe that you are really, in actual fact, interested in > > > > hearing or knowing this. It is pure theoretical postulating on your > > > > part. You no more want to sit and listen to a homophobe be 'honest' > > > > than you want your Jyotish chart done by Ravi. > > > > > > > > > > Such beliefs strike me as an INSULT to the very idea > > > > > of God, if one believed in one. How could *anyone* > > > > > imagine that a God would be such a micromanager and > > > > > such a prude that He/She/It would give a shit what > > > > > any of His/Her/Its creations do with their convex or > > > > > concave parts. After all, He/She/It created over > > > > > 1,500 species on planet Earth that display homosexual > > > > > behavior. > > > > > > > > There is no God, Barry, so this argument is moot. > > > > > > Ann, > > > > > > You seem to believe that this statement is true. Can you prove it? > > > > I absolutely don't believe that statement. I was riffing off Barry's "no > > God" assertion. In my world, in my reality, there is most definitely a God > > and a very personal one at that. > > > > > Ann, > > That's nice to hear then. Just wanted to verify what was being said. In > that case, Barry might put you in his S list. Alas, I fear I am on Barry's multiple lists that include also his: 1) "BS" list 2) His "They're In The Wrong Clique" list 3) His "I Never Read The Bitch's Posts" list 4) His "Women I Despise" list 5) His "Th
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > This is the reason why Adam and Eve were banished from > > > > > the Garden of Eden. > > > > > > > > Are you INSANE? > > > > > > > > Adam and Eve never existed. Nor did the Garden > > > > of Eden. These are all *stories* made up to > > > > entertain stupid people. > > > > > > Oedipus put his eyes out because he realized he had > > > married his own mother. > > > > > > > Clearly you seem to BE one. > > > > > > The fox said the grapes were sour because he was > > > pissed off that he couldn't reach them. > > > > > > > You're ALSO the person who trots out equally > > > > made-up stories from the Gita or the Vedas to > > > > excuse inexcusable actions or beliefs. Those > > > > stories never happened, either, and those > > > > "people" never existed. They're MYTHS. > > > > > > King Midas died of starvation because he had > > > prayed for the power to turn everything he touched > > > to gold. > > > > > > > The good part about myths is that they can be > > > > used to teach concepts. The bad part about myths > > > > is that stupid people tend to believe that the > > > > stories really happened. > > > > > > And then there are the utterly hopeless nitwits > > > like Barry who can't tell the difference between > > > someone citing a myth to make a point about what > > > it teaches, and insisting the myth really happened. > > > > > > (This is especially likely to be a source of > > > confusion when the hopeless nitwit has a desperate > > > need, like Barry, to put somebody down to make > > > himself feel More Important. Sometimes these > > > nitwits are so driven they hallucinate that > > > *EVERYBODY* is insisting the myth really > > > happened even when *nobody* is.) > > > > > > > And then they trot out the myths AS IF they > > > > really happened, and use them to excuse their > > > > bigotry, hatred, and homophobia, as John just > > > > did above. > > > > > > Actually, I don't believe the Adam and Eve myth > > > had anything to do with homosexuality. At least, > > > not the one in the Bible that John is referring > > > to. And the "as if" is in Barry's mind, not in > > > John's, as is the hatred. That's where the > > > accusations of bigotry and homophobia come from. > > > > > > > Judy, > > > > Excellent observation. You picked my point precisely. > > One person here on the forum doesn't seem to get it. > > I think Barry must have had a harrowing work week and > needs to scream at folks here so he doesn't end up > screaming at his boss. > > I do disagree with you about Liberace, however, in that > for him, choosing not to have gay sex would have very > likely been the equivalent of choosing to have *no* sex. > I do not believe, if there is a God, that God would ask > that of homosexuals; nor do I believe that's what the > biblical verses interpreted to mean homosexual behavior > is a sin actually mean. > Judy, I did not intend to make a judgement on Liberace's sexual persuasion. My point was that he took a chance to engage in gay sex. It just so happened that he was exposing himself to a risky behavior which resulted in his acquiring AIDs. I will let the preachers and gurus judge as to the morality of gay sexual activity. However, one can say that some people have a natural predisposition for liking people of the same gender. But they don't necessarily have to have gay sex to satisfy their desire.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > > > > > > > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > > > > > > > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > > > > > > > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > > > > > > > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > > > > > > > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > > > > > > > > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, > > > > > > > not Adam and Steve! Think harmony with the laws of > > > > > > > nature Turq, harmony. > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam and Eve huh? You know, if god made Eve out of Adam's rib > > > > > > then they shared DNA, which makes them brother and sister. > > > > > > Which is incest. Now *that* is a law of nature being broken! > > > > > > > > > > Almost everyone even in Minnesota might well know, that that's > > > > > based on mistranslation of a Hebrew word! > > > > > > > > Has everyone on this forum LOST THEIR MINDS? > > > > > > Well, perhaps but not "everyone" is talking about or evidently believes > > > in the existence of Adam and Eve once upon a time. > > > > > > > > "Adam and Eve" is a MYTH. > > > > > > Of course it is, I am not sure there is one person here who doesn't think > > > so. > > > > > > > > As is God. > > > > > > That, of course, is less obviously so. > > > > > > > > As is the concept of anyone, anywhere, at any point > > > > in time "knowing" what the "Laws Of Nature" are. > > > > > > Perhaps not the "concept" but most likely the 'reality'. Are you sure > > > "Laws of Nature" actually exist? And if so, how do they differ from the > > > laws of physics? > > > > > > > > Someday I'd love for homophobes to actually "come out" > > > > and be HONEST. They hate the idea of gay sex because > > > > either they've been taught to by generations of homo- > > > > phobes before them, many of them posing as "religious" > > > > leaders claiming to "know" things that no human can > > > > know (and many of them closet homosexuals themselves), > > > > or they're terrified that THEY might have had a few > > > > gay sex impulses themselves, or both. > > > > > > I don't believe that you are really, in actual fact, interested in > > > hearing or knowing this. It is pure theoretical postulating on your part. > > > You no more want to sit and listen to a homophobe be 'honest' than you > > > want your Jyotish chart done by Ravi. > > > > > > > > Such beliefs strike me as an INSULT to the very idea > > > > of God, if one believed in one. How could *anyone* > > > > imagine that a God would be such a micromanager and > > > > such a prude that He/She/It would give a shit what > > > > any of His/Her/Its creations do with their convex or > > > > concave parts. After all, He/She/It created over > > > > 1,500 species on planet Earth that display homosexual > > > > behavior. > > > > > > There is no God, Barry, so this argument is moot. > > > > Ann, > > > > You seem to believe that this statement is true. Can you prove it? > > I absolutely don't believe that statement. I was riffing off Barry's "no God" > assertion. In my world, in my reality, there is most definitely a God and a > very personal one at that. > > Ann, That's nice to hear then. Just wanted to verify what was being said. In that case, Barry might put you in his S list.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > This is the reason why Adam and Eve were banished from > > > > the Garden of Eden. > > > > > > Are you INSANE? > > > > > > Adam and Eve never existed. Nor did the Garden > > > of Eden. These are all *stories* made up to > > > entertain stupid people. > > > > Oedipus put his eyes out because he realized he had > > married his own mother. > > > > > Clearly you seem to BE one. > > > > The fox said the grapes were sour because he was > > pissed off that he couldn't reach them. > > > > > You're ALSO the person who trots out equally > > > made-up stories from the Gita or the Vedas to > > > excuse inexcusable actions or beliefs. Those > > > stories never happened, either, and those > > > "people" never existed. They're MYTHS. > > > > King Midas died of starvation because he had > > prayed for the power to turn everything he touched > > to gold. > > > > > The good part about myths is that they can be > > > used to teach concepts. The bad part about myths > > > is that stupid people tend to believe that the > > > stories really happened. > > > > And then there are the utterly hopeless nitwits > > like Barry who can't tell the difference between > > someone citing a myth to make a point about what > > it teaches, and insisting the myth really happened. > > > > (This is especially likely to be a source of > > confusion when the hopeless nitwit has a desperate > > need, like Barry, to put somebody down to make > > himself feel More Important. Sometimes these > > nitwits are so driven they hallucinate that > > *EVERYBODY* is insisting the myth really > > happened even when *nobody* is.) > > > > > And then they trot out the myths AS IF they > > > really happened, and use them to excuse their > > > bigotry, hatred, and homophobia, as John just > > > did above. > > > > Actually, I don't believe the Adam and Eve myth > > had anything to do with homosexuality. At least, > > not the one in the Bible that John is referring > > to. And the "as if" is in Barry's mind, not in > > John's, as is the hatred. That's where the > > accusations of bigotry and homophobia come from. > > > > Judy, > > Excellent observation. You picked my point precisely. > One person here on the forum doesn't seem to get it. I think Barry must have had a harrowing work week and needs to scream at folks here so he doesn't end up screaming at his boss. I do disagree with you about Liberace, however, in that for him, choosing not to have gay sex would have very likely been the equivalent of choosing to have *no* sex. I do not believe, if there is a God, that God would ask that of homosexuals; nor do I believe that's what the biblical verses interpreted to mean homosexual behavior is a sin actually mean.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > > > > > > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > > > > > > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > > > > > > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > > > > > > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > > > > > > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > > > > > > > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, > > > > > > not Adam and Steve! Think harmony with the laws of > > > > > > nature Turq, harmony. > > > > > > > > > > Adam and Eve huh? You know, if god made Eve out of Adam's rib > > > > > then they shared DNA, which makes them brother and sister. > > > > > Which is incest. Now *that* is a law of nature being broken! > > > > > > > > Almost everyone even in Minnesota might well know, that that's > > > > based on mistranslation of a Hebrew word! > > > > > > Has everyone on this forum LOST THEIR MINDS? > > > > Well, perhaps but not "everyone" is talking about or evidently believes in > > the existence of Adam and Eve once upon a time. > > > > > > "Adam and Eve" is a MYTH. > > > > Of course it is, I am not sure there is one person here who doesn't think > > so. > > > > > > As is God. > > > > That, of course, is less obviously so. > > > > > > As is the concept of anyone, anywhere, at any point > > > in time "knowing" what the "Laws Of Nature" are. > > > > Perhaps not the "concept" but most likely the 'reality'. Are you sure "Laws > > of Nature" actually exist? And if so, how do they differ from the laws of > > physics? > > > > > > Someday I'd love for homophobes to actually "come out" > > > and be HONEST. They hate the idea of gay sex because > > > either they've been taught to by generations of homo- > > > phobes before them, many of them posing as "religious" > > > leaders claiming to "know" things that no human can > > > know (and many of them closet homosexuals themselves), > > > or they're terrified that THEY might have had a few > > > gay sex impulses themselves, or both. > > > > I don't believe that you are really, in actual fact, interested in hearing > > or knowing this. It is pure theoretical postulating on your part. You no > > more want to sit and listen to a homophobe be 'honest' than you want your > > Jyotish chart done by Ravi. > > > > > > Such beliefs strike me as an INSULT to the very idea > > > of God, if one believed in one. How could *anyone* > > > imagine that a God would be such a micromanager and > > > such a prude that He/She/It would give a shit what > > > any of His/Her/Its creations do with their convex or > > > concave parts. After all, He/She/It created over > > > 1,500 species on planet Earth that display homosexual > > > behavior. > > > > There is no God, Barry, so this argument is moot. > > Ann, > > You seem to believe that this statement is true. Can you prove it? I absolutely don't believe that statement. I was riffing off Barry's "no God" assertion. In my world, in my reality, there is most definitely a God and a very personal one at that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Did He/She/It just *fuck up* when doing that, or > > > should it be taken as a sign that humans' fear of > > > such behavior is THEIR prejudice, not God's? > > > > You are running with some mistaken notion of what "everyone" here thinks > > and going CRAZY! Calm down, you are imagining things. > > > > > > AIDS is similarly a *disease*, without prejudice. It > > > became associated with gay behavior *by accident*, > > > not by any cosmic design, and similarly afflicts > > > those who indulge in straight sex. HIV/AIDS is a > > > global pandemic, and as of 2011 approximately 34 > > > million people have HIV worldwide. Of these, > > > approximately 17.2 million are men, 16.8 million > > > are women and 3.4 million are less than 15 years > > > old. There were about 1.8 million deaths from AIDS > > > in 2010, down from 2.2 million in 2005. > > > > > > If "your" God did all
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
Given the fact that I have never defrauded millions of people, set myself up as a god on earth, and devastated people's lives, yes you are correct. From: Richard J. Williams To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 7:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish... mjackson74: > ON top of all this is the truth that all the > Vedic Gods and Goddesses are in heaven with > God and Jesus because we know that Marshy > believed in them Vedic Gods and Goddesses > and we know for a fact that Marshy could only > have Cosmic Thoughts since he wuz a Saint. > Yeah, the MMY can't hold a candle to all your accomplishments. LoL! > So sorry to have to correct you, but the truth > will out as the Bard said (whom everyone knows > was Francis Bacon and he was really St Germain.) >
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mjackson74: > ON top of all this is the truth that all the > Vedic Gods and Goddesses are in heaven with > God and Jesus because we know that Marshy > believed in them Vedic Gods and Goddesses > and we know for a fact that Marshy could only > have Cosmic Thoughts since he wuz a Saint. > Yeah, the MMY can't hold a candle to all your accomplishments. LoL! > So sorry to have to correct you, but the truth > will out as the Bard said (whom everyone knows > was Francis Bacon and he was really St Germain.) >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > NO, no, no, no , no! Barry while I agree with most of your posts I must stand > up for humanity and declare you are WRONG!!! Adam and Eve were and are real - > they are both up in heaven with Jesus and God, Moses and Elija and all the > other Biblical Patriarchs (not many Biblical women made it in, apparently). > These great children of God take care of things in Heaven. > > On the earth, Santa Claus or Father Christmas who was born on the same exact > day that Jesus was born, and after he had had a few hundred years of training > by verified saints he began to deliver gifts to the Christian children of the > world. The Easter Bunny was Jesus's pet when he was here and was given a > special dispensation to give sweets and eggs to Christian kids. > > ALL of these things are in the same category of Absolute Truth and Veracity > as Marshy being enlightened and having given the earth Supreme Knowledge, > that there are other enlightened saints running around, all of whom are > vetted by Benjy Creme who has himself been given a special dispensation from > God (just like the Easter Bunny) to have special knowledge to hep the rest of > us. The same level of truth exists in that God has sent the Space Bros to us > and in their advanced state of technology and consciousness they spend their > nights smashing innocent farmers crops to let us know they are thinking of us. > > ON top of all this is the truth that all the Vedic Gods and Goddesses are in > heaven with God and Jesus because we know that Marshy believed in them Vedic > Gods and Goddesses and we know for a fact that Marshy could only have Cosmic > Thoughts since he wuz a Saint. > > So sorry to have to correct you, but the truth will out as the Bard said > (whom everyone knows was Francis Bacon and he was really St Germain.) That would be 'Sir' Francis, you left out Halloween, where's Mephistopheles these days? > > > ____ > From: turquoiseb > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 5:56 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish... > > > > Â > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > > > > > > > > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > > > > > > > > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > > > > > > > > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > > > > > > > > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > > > > > > > > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > > > > > > > > > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, > > > > > > > > not Adam and Steve! Think harmony with the laws of
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > This is the reason why Adam and Eve were banished from > > > the Garden of Eden. > > > > Are you INSANE? > > > > Adam and Eve never existed. Nor did the Garden > > of Eden. These are all *stories* made up to > > entertain stupid people. > > Oedipus put his eyes out because he realized he had > married his own mother. > > > Clearly you seem to BE one. > > The fox said the grapes were sour because he was > pissed off that he couldn't reach them. > > > You're ALSO the person who trots out equally > > made-up stories from the Gita or the Vedas to > > excuse inexcusable actions or beliefs. Those > > stories never happened, either, and those > > "people" never existed. They're MYTHS. > > King Midas died of starvation because he had > prayed for the power to turn everything he touched > to gold. > > > The good part about myths is that they can be > > used to teach concepts. The bad part about myths > > is that stupid people tend to believe that the > > stories really happened. > > And then there are the utterly hopeless nitwits > like Barry who can't tell the difference between > someone citing a myth to make a point about what > it teaches, and insisting the myth really happened. > > (This is especially likely to be a source of > confusion when the hopeless nitwit has a desperate > need, like Barry, to put somebody down to make > himself feel More Important. Sometimes these > nitwits are so driven they hallucinate that > *EVERYBODY* is insisting the myth really > happened even when *nobody* is.) > > > And then they trot out the myths AS IF they > > really happened, and use them to excuse their > > bigotry, hatred, and homophobia, as John just > > did above. > > Actually, I don't believe the Adam and Eve myth > had anything to do with homosexuality. At least, > not the one in the Bible that John is referring > to. And the "as if" is in Barry's mind, not in > John's, as is the hatred. That's where the > accusations of bigotry and homophobia come from. > Judy, Excellent observation. You picked my point precisely. One person here on the forum doesn't seem to get it.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > This is the reason why Adam and Eve were banished from > > the Garden of Eden. > > Are you INSANE? > > Adam and Eve never existed. Nor did the Garden > of Eden. These are all *stories* made up to > entertain stupid people. Oedipus put his eyes out because he realized he had married his own mother. > Clearly you seem to BE one. The fox said the grapes were sour because he was pissed off that he couldn't reach them. > You're ALSO the person who trots out equally > made-up stories from the Gita or the Vedas to > excuse inexcusable actions or beliefs. Those > stories never happened, either, and those > "people" never existed. They're MYTHS. King Midas died of starvation because he had prayed for the power to turn everything he touched to gold. > The good part about myths is that they can be > used to teach concepts. The bad part about myths > is that stupid people tend to believe that the > stories really happened. And then there are the utterly hopeless nitwits like Barry who can't tell the difference between someone citing a myth to make a point about what it teaches, and insisting the myth really happened. (This is especially likely to be a source of confusion when the hopeless nitwit has a desperate need, like Barry, to put somebody down to make himself feel More Important. Sometimes these nitwits are so driven they hallucinate that *EVERYBODY* is insisting the myth really happened even when *nobody* is.) > And then they trot out the myths AS IF they > really happened, and use them to excuse their > bigotry, hatred, and homophobia, as John just > did above. Actually, I don't believe the Adam and Eve myth had anything to do with homosexuality. At least, not the one in the Bible that John is referring to. And the "as if" is in Barry's mind, not in John's, as is the hatred. That's where the accusations of bigotry and homophobia come from.
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Mitochondrial Eve isn't a myth, but an inevitable statistical factoid. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: [...] > > "Adam and Eve" is a MYTH. >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > This is the reason why Adam and Eve were banished from > > the Garden of Eden. > > Are you INSANE? > > Adam and Eve never existed. Nor did the Garden > of Eden. These are all *stories* made up to > entertain stupid people. I think Adam and Eve were just meant to represent that God created a Man AND a Woman, were their names Adam and Eve? Doubtful I think the Garden of Eden was merely symbolic of the idealic life they had before the *fall*; paradise lost! Was it called the Garden of Eden, doubtful, come on Turq! > Clearly you seem to BE one. > > You're ALSO the person who trots out equally > made-up stories from the Gita or the Vedas to > excuse inexcusable actions or beliefs. Those > stories never happened, either, and those > "people" never existed. They're MYTHS. > > The good part about myths is that they can be > used to teach concepts. The bad part about myths > is that stupid people tend to believe that the > stories really happened. > > And then they trot out the myths AS IF they > really happened, and use them to excuse their > bigotry, hatred, and homophobia, as John just > did above. >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > > > > > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > > > > > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > > > > > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > > > > > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > > > > > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > > > > > > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. > > > > > > > > > > That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, > > > > > not Adam and Steve! Think harmony with the laws of > > > > > nature Turq, harmony. > > > > > > > > Adam and Eve huh? You know, if god made Eve out of Adam's rib > > > > then they shared DNA, which makes them brother and sister. > > > > Which is incest. Now *that* is a law of nature being broken! > > > > > > Almost everyone even in Minnesota might well know, that that's > > > based on mistranslation of a Hebrew word! > > > > Has everyone on this forum LOST THEIR MINDS? > > Well, perhaps but not "everyone" is talking about or evidently believes in > the existence of Adam and Eve once upon a time. > > > > "Adam and Eve" is a MYTH. > > Of course it is, I am not sure there is one person here who doesn't think so. > > > > As is God. > > That, of course, is less obviously so. > > > > As is the concept of anyone, anywhere, at any point > > in time "knowing" what the "Laws Of Nature" are. > > Perhaps not the "concept" but most likely the 'reality'. Are you sure "Laws > of Nature" actually exist? And if so, how do they differ from the laws of > physics? > > > > Someday I'd love for homophobes to actually "come out" > > and be HONEST. They hate the idea of gay sex because > > either they've been taught to by generations of homo- > > phobes before them, many of them posing as "religious" > > leaders claiming to "know" things that no human can > > know (and many of them closet homosexuals themselves), > > or they're terrified that THEY might have had a few > > gay sex impulses themselves, or both. > > I don't believe that you are really, in actual fact, interested in hearing or > knowing this. It is pure theoretical postulating on your part. You no more > want to sit and listen to a homophobe be 'honest' than you want your Jyotish > chart done by Ravi. > > > > Such beliefs strike me as an INSULT to the very idea > > of God, if one believed in one. How could *anyone* > > imagine that a God would be such a micromanager and > > such a prude that He/She/It would give a shit what > > any of His/Her/Its creations do with their convex or > > concave parts. After all, He/She/It created over > > 1,500 species on planet Earth that display homosexual > > behavior. > > There is no God, Barry, so this argument is moot. Ann, You seem to believe that this statement is true. Can you prove it? > > > > Did He/She/It just *fuck up* when doing that, or > > should it be taken as a sign that humans' fear of > > such behavior is THEIR prejudice, not God's? > > You are running with some mistaken notion of what "everyone" here thinks and > going CRAZY! Calm down, you are imagining things. > > > > AIDS is similarly a *disease*, without prejudice. It > > became associated with gay behavior *by accident*, > > not by any cosmic design, and similarly afflicts > > those who indulge in straight sex. HIV/AIDS is a > > global pandemic, and as of 2011 approximately 34 > > million people have HIV worldwide. Of these, > > approximately 17.2 million are men, 16.8 million > > are women and 3.4 million are less than 15 years > > old. There were about 1.8 million deaths from AIDS > > in 2010, down from 2.2 million in 2005. > > > > If "your" God did all that just to punish "bad" > > behavior in gay people, you can *have* the malignant, > > sadistic motherfucker. I want no part of anyone or > > anything that insane, or anyone who reveres Him/Her/It. > > Who are you talking to here at FFL? Oh, nobody, you just like to rant. Sorry, > carry on. > > >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > This is the reason why Adam and Eve were banished from > the Garden of Eden. Are you INSANE? Adam and Eve never existed. Nor did the Garden of Eden. These are all *stories* made up to entertain stupid people. Clearly you seem to BE one. You're ALSO the person who trots out equally made-up stories from the Gita or the Vedas to excuse inexcusable actions or beliefs. Those stories never happened, either, and those "people" never existed. They're MYTHS. The good part about myths is that they can be used to teach concepts. The bad part about myths is that stupid people tend to believe that the stories really happened. And then they trot out the myths AS IF they really happened, and use them to excuse their bigotry, hatred, and homophobia, as John just did above.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling > > > > > > > you to avoid smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. > > > > > > > If you fail to do so, it is highly likely that you will get > > > > > > > lung cancer and a liver problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit > > > > > > smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary > > > > > > activity the other day. > > > > > > > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > > > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > > > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > > > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > > > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > > > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > > > > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > > > > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. > > > > > > That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve! > > > Think harmony with the laws of nature Turq, harmony. > > > > > > Adam and Eve huh? You know, if god made Eve out of Adam's rib > > then they shared DNA, which makes them brother and sister. > > Which is incest. Now *that* is a law of nature being broken! > > > > Salyavin, > > A Christian televangelist once stated that there was NO prohibition against > incest at the time of Adam and Eve and his children. At that time, the > commandment was to be fruitful and multiply. The prohibition became > effective at the time of Moses, who is considered to be the Law Giver among > the Hebrews. Wow John, do believe *everything* you read?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > > > > > > Adam and Eve huh? You know, if god made Eve out of Adam's rib > > > > then they shared DNA, which makes them brother and sister. > > > > Which is incest. Now *that* is a law of nature being broken! > > > > > > Almost everyone even in Minnesota might well know, that that's > > > based on mistranslation of a Hebrew word! > > > > turquoise: > > Has everyone on this forum LOST THEIR MINDS? > > > You're the guy that claimed he saw Rama levitate > in front of a large group of people and fill the > hall with golden light, but we're the ones that > have lost our minds? Go figure. > > > > "Adam and Eve" is a MYTH. > > > > As is God. > > > > As is the concept of anyone, anywhere, at any point > > in time "knowing" what the "Laws Of Nature" are. > > > > Someday I'd love for homophobes to actually "come out" > > and be HONEST. They hate the idea of gay sex because > > either they've been taught to by generations of homo- > > phobes before them, many of them posing as "religious" > > leaders claiming to "know" things that no human can > > know (and many of them closet homosexuals themselves), > > or they're terrified that THEY might have had a few > > gay sex impulses themselves, or both. > > > > Such beliefs strike me as an INSULT to the very idea > > of God, if one believed in one. How could *anyone* > > imagine that a God would be such a micromanager and > > such a prude that He/She/It would give a shit what > > any of His/Her/Its creations do with their convex or > > concave parts. After all, He/She/It created over > > 1,500 species on planet Earth that display homosexual > > behavior. > > > > Did He/She/It just *fuck up* when doing that, or > > should it be taken as a sign that humans' fear of > > such behavior is THEIR prejudice, not God's? > > > > AIDS is similarly a *disease*, without prejudice. It > > became associated with gay behavior *by accident*, > > not by any cosmic design, and similarly afflicts > > those who indulge in straight sex. HIV/AIDS is a > > global pandemic, and as of 2011 approximately 34 > > million people have HIV worldwide. Of these, > > approximately 17.2 million are men, 16.8 million > > are women and 3.4 million are less than 15 years > > old. There were about 1.8 million deaths from AIDS > > in 2010, down from 2.2 million in 2005. > > > > If "your" God did all that just to punish "bad" > > behavior in gay people, you can *have* the malignant, > > sadistic motherfucker. I want no part of anyone or > > anything that insane, or anyone who reveres Him/Her/It. > > Barry, This is the reason why Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden of Eden.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling > > > > > > you to avoid smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. > > > > > > If you fail to do so, it is highly likely that you will get > > > > > > lung cancer and a liver problem. > > > > > > > > > > OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit > > > > > smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. > > > > > > > > > > You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary > > > > > activity the other day. > > > > > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > > > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. > > > > That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve! > > Think harmony with the laws of nature Turq, harmony. > > > Adam and Eve huh? You know, if god made Eve out of Adam's rib > then they shared DNA, which makes them brother and sister. > Which is incest. Now *that* is a law of nature being broken! > Salyavin, A Christian televangelist once stated that there was NO prohibition against incest at the time of Adam and Eve and his children. At that time, the commandment was to be fruitful and multiply. The prohibition became effective at the time of Moses, who is considered to be the Law Giver among the Hebrews.
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Share, The jyotish yogas or configurations were made by observations that are correlated to world events and effects. I don't believe the ancient rishis or present ones know exactly how this actually works out in scientific terms. But my pet theory is that this is due to the universe being a hologram. IOW, we as humans are a representation of the universe as a whole. And, our body cells are the representation of us. In short, the human body is the universe itself according to MMY. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > But John would we say that the planets CAUSED the AIDS? All we can really say > is that they indicate it. I do believe that there is a deeper phenomenon that > gives rise to both the jyotish configuration and the disease. And I agree > with noozguru that jyotish is just like other sciences including weather > forecasting: it's all about probabilities. > > > > > > From: John > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:03 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish... > > > > Â > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Salyavin, > > > > > > > > > > You have to remember that jyotish is a model of a person's life > > > > > potential which takes into consideration the various probabilities > > > > > and permutations of his/her actions. IOW, a person has the free will > > > > > to take whatever actions are best for his/her life. As such, each > > > > > action has a corresponding result or fruit of action. > > > > > > > > > > In short, jyotish is the science of light which guides humans to take > > > > > the best actions (morally and holistically) in order to get the best > > > > > results in life. > > > > > > > > But you've only got to do one thing opposite to what's recommended > > > > by the horoscope and the whole thing is irrelevant forever. Unless > > > > the universe resets itself to match your new destiny, which hardly > > > > seems likely. > > > > > > > > Think about it. If you aren't doing one day what was predicted then > > > > the next prediction is in error and they will keep being in error > > > > until you start going along with your earliest chart. Or is that the > > > > idea? Shit, maybe that's why it doesn't work. > > > > > > > > > > Salyavin, > > > > > > A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling you to avoid > > > smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. If you fail to do so, > > > it is highly likely that you will get lung cancer and a liver problem. > > > > > > JR > > > > OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit > > smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. > > > > You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary > > activity the other day. > > Salyavin, > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's chart. He had the > combination of Rahu and the Moon in the 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. > He had the option not to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. > As such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in the end, he did > and was fatal. > > JR > > > >
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> > > Adam and Eve huh? You know, if god made Eve out of Adam's rib > > > then they shared DNA, which makes them brother and sister. > > > Which is incest. Now *that* is a law of nature being broken! > > > > Almost everyone even in Minnesota might well know, that that's > > based on mistranslation of a Hebrew word! > > turquoise: > Has everyone on this forum LOST THEIR MINDS? > You're the guy that claimed he saw Rama levitate in front of a large group of people and fill the hall with golden light, but we're the ones that have lost our minds? Go figure. > "Adam and Eve" is a MYTH. > > As is God. > > As is the concept of anyone, anywhere, at any point > in time "knowing" what the "Laws Of Nature" are. > > Someday I'd love for homophobes to actually "come out" > and be HONEST. They hate the idea of gay sex because > either they've been taught to by generations of homo- > phobes before them, many of them posing as "religious" > leaders claiming to "know" things that no human can > know (and many of them closet homosexuals themselves), > or they're terrified that THEY might have had a few > gay sex impulses themselves, or both. > > Such beliefs strike me as an INSULT to the very idea > of God, if one believed in one. How could *anyone* > imagine that a God would be such a micromanager and > such a prude that He/She/It would give a shit what > any of His/Her/Its creations do with their convex or > concave parts. After all, He/She/It created over > 1,500 species on planet Earth that display homosexual > behavior. > > Did He/She/It just *fuck up* when doing that, or > should it be taken as a sign that humans' fear of > such behavior is THEIR prejudice, not God's? > > AIDS is similarly a *disease*, without prejudice. It > became associated with gay behavior *by accident*, > not by any cosmic design, and similarly afflicts > those who indulge in straight sex. HIV/AIDS is a > global pandemic, and as of 2011 approximately 34 > million people have HIV worldwide. Of these, > approximately 17.2 million are men, 16.8 million > are women and 3.4 million are less than 15 years > old. There were about 1.8 million deaths from AIDS > in 2010, down from 2.2 million in 2005. > > If "your" God did all that just to punish "bad" > behavior in gay people, you can *have* the malignant, > sadistic motherfucker. I want no part of anyone or > anything that insane, or anyone who reveres Him/Her/It. >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > > > > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > > > > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > > > > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > > > > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > > > > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > > > > > > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > > > > > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. > > > > > > > > That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, > > > > not Adam and Steve! Think harmony with the laws of > > > > nature Turq, harmony. > > > > > > Adam and Eve huh? You know, if god made Eve out of Adam's rib > > > then they shared DNA, which makes them brother and sister. > > > Which is incest. Now *that* is a law of nature being broken! > > > > Almost everyone even in Minnesota might well know, that that's > > based on mistranslation of a Hebrew word! > > Has everyone on this forum LOST THEIR MINDS? Well, perhaps but not "everyone" is talking about or evidently believes in the existence of Adam and Eve once upon a time. > > "Adam and Eve" is a MYTH. Of course it is, I am not sure there is one person here who doesn't think so. > > As is God. That, of course, is less obviously so. > > As is the concept of anyone, anywhere, at any point > in time "knowing" what the "Laws Of Nature" are. Perhaps not the "concept" but most likely the 'reality'. Are you sure "Laws of Nature" actually exist? And if so, how do they differ from the laws of physics? > > Someday I'd love for homophobes to actually "come out" > and be HONEST. They hate the idea of gay sex because > either they've been taught to by generations of homo- > phobes before them, many of them posing as "religious" > leaders claiming to "know" things that no human can > know (and many of them closet homosexuals themselves), > or they're terrified that THEY might have had a few > gay sex impulses themselves, or both. I don't believe that you are really, in actual fact, interested in hearing or knowing this. It is pure theoretical postulating on your part. You no more want to sit and listen to a homophobe be 'honest' than you want your Jyotish chart done by Ravi. > > Such beliefs strike me as an INSULT to the very idea > of God, if one believed in one. How could *anyone* > imagine that a God would be such a micromanager and > such a prude that He/She/It would give a shit what > any of His/Her/Its creations do with their convex or > concave parts. After all, He/She/It created over > 1,500 species on planet Earth that display homosexual > behavior. There is no God, Barry, so this argument is moot. > > Did He/She/It just *fuck up* when doing that, or > should it be taken as a sign that humans' fear of > such behavior is THEIR prejudice, not God's? You are running with some mistaken notion of what "everyone" here thinks and going CRAZY! Calm down, you are imagining things. > > AIDS is similarly a *disease*, without prejudice. It > became associated with gay behavior *by accident*, > not by any cosmic design, and similarly afflicts > those who indulge in straight sex. HIV/AIDS is a > global pandemic, and as of 2011 approximately 34 > million people have HIV worldwide. Of these, > approximately 17.2 million are men, 16.8 million > are women and 3.4 million are less than 15 years > old. There were about 1.8 million deaths from AIDS > in 2010, down from 2.2 million in 2005. > > If "your" God did all that just to punish "bad" > behavior in gay people, you can *have* the malignant, > sadistic motherfucker. I want no part of anyone or > anything that insane, or anyone who reveres Him/Her/It. Who are you talking to here at FFL? Oh, nobody, you just like to rant. Sorry, carry on. >
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Scene: 3rd floor coffee station, staked out by Barry. Two colleagues round the corner, hoping for a cup: "Oh shit, do you see what I see?" "Roger - Fuck, I reallly *don't* want to hear about how God AND Santa Claus DO NOT EXIST -...as in lighten up, dude..." "No shit, he was going off about some dude named Mahareeshee, again the other day - Dude, I u-turned so fast, he never saw me coming." "What does he do all day, anyway?" "Beats the fuck outta me..." --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > > > > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > > > > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > > > > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > > > > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > > > > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > > > > > > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > > > > > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. > > > > > > > > That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, > > > > not Adam and Steve! Think harmony with the laws of > > > > nature Turq, harmony. > > > > > > Adam and Eve huh? You know, if god made Eve out of Adam's rib > > > then they shared DNA, which makes them brother and sister. > > > Which is incest. Now *that* is a law of nature being broken! > > > > Almost everyone even in Minnesota might well know, that that's > > based on mistranslation of a Hebrew word! > > Has everyone on this forum LOST THEIR MINDS? > > "Adam and Eve" is a MYTH. > > As is God. > > As is the concept of anyone, anywhere, at any point > in time "knowing" what the "Laws Of Nature" are. > > Someday I'd love for homophobes to actually "come out" > and be HONEST. They hate the idea of gay sex because > either they've been taught to by generations of homo- > phobes before them, many of them posing as "religious" > leaders claiming to "know" things that no human can > know (and many of them closet homosexuals themselves), > or they're terrified that THEY might have had a few > gay sex impulses themselves, or both. > > Such beliefs strike me as an INSULT to the very idea > of God, if one believed in one. How could *anyone* > imagine that a God would be such a micromanager and > such a prude that He/She/It would give a shit what > any of His/Her/Its creations do with their convex or > concave parts. After all, He/She/It created over > 1,500 species on planet Earth that display homosexual > behavior. > > Did He/She/It just *fuck up* when doing that, or > should it be taken as a sign that humans' fear of > such behavior is THEIR prejudice, not God's? > > AIDS is similarly a *disease*, without prejudice. It > became associated with gay behavior *by accident*, > not by any cosmic design, and similarly afflicts > those who indulge in straight sex. HIV/AIDS is a > global pandemic, and as of 2011 approximately 34 > million people have HIV worldwide. Of these, > approximately 17.2 million are men, 16.8 million > are women and 3.4 million are less than 15 years > old. There were about 1.8 million deaths from AIDS > in 2010, down from 2.2 million in 2005. > > If "your" God did all that just to punish "bad" > behavior in gay people, you can *have* the malignant, > sadistic motherfucker. I want no part of anyone or > anything that insane, or anyone who reveres Him/Her/It. >
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salyavin that's interesting that we have less genetic diversity in our whole population than wild chimpanzees do. Noticing that you say wild, I'm wondering if chimpanzees in captivity have a diversity more similar to humans. And why do we have less genetic diversity? From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 3:44 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > > > > > > > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > > > > > > > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > > > > > > > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > > > > > > > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > > > > > > > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > > > > > > > > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, > > > > > > > not Adam and Steve! Think harmony with the laws of > > > > > > > nature Turq, harmony. > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam and Eve huh? You know, if god made Eve out of Adam's rib > > > > > > then they shared DNA, which makes them brother and sister. > > > > > > Which is incest. Now *that* is a law of nature being broken! > > > > > > > > > > Almost everyone even in Minnesota might well know, that that's > > > > > based on mistranslation of a Hebrew word! > > > > > > > > Has everyone on this forum LOST THEIR MINDS? > > > > > > > > "Adam and Eve" is a MYTH. > > > > > > Buh...buh...but shouldn't even myths be translated correctly? :o > > > > It doesn't matter whether you translate the description > > of Santa Claus as a "jolly fat man" or a "jelly fat man." > > He still doesn't exist. > > > > IMO, if one translates a word that prolly means something totally > different, as 'rib', it portrays the ancestors of Jesus, etc, as > RLY REEELY STOOOPID or PERVERT?? Ah, that's the mistranslated word! I thought god was just being lazy with the rib thing, like he'd done 6 days work already and couldn't be bothered to make *one* other being thus dooming us all. Funny that man is such an interbred creature though, our biblical forefathers couldn't have forseen that we have less genetic diversity among our entire number than any group of wild chimpanzees. Can't imagine explaining the concepts to them though. Amazing and we have some volcano induced climate change to thank for it, it wiped most of us out 70,000 years ago. But not mitochondrial Eve whose DNA we all carry still. The one woman whose children all survived. The mother of man! Maybe it's me but I notice that whenever science overturns one excellent story it replaces it with something much more interesting. You can't stop progress!
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But John would we say that the planets CAUSED the AIDS? All we can really say is that they indicate it. I do believe that there is a deeper phenomenon that gives rise to both the jyotish configuration and the disease. And I agree with noozguru that jyotish is just like other sciences including weather forecasting: it's all about probabilities. From: John To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > Salyavin, > > > > > > > > You have to remember that jyotish is a model of a person's life > > > > potential which takes into consideration the various probabilities and > > > > permutations of his/her actions. IOW, a person has the free will to > > > > take whatever actions are best for his/her life. As such, each action > > > > has a corresponding result or fruit of action. > > > > > > > > In short, jyotish is the science of light which guides humans to take > > > > the best actions (morally and holistically) in order to get the best > > > > results in life. > > > > > > But you've only got to do one thing opposite to what's recommended > > > by the horoscope and the whole thing is irrelevant forever. Unless > > > the universe resets itself to match your new destiny, which hardly > > > seems likely. > > > > > > Think about it. If you aren't doing one day what was predicted then > > > the next prediction is in error and they will keep being in error > > > until you start going along with your earliest chart. Or is that the > > > idea? Shit, maybe that's why it doesn't work. > > > > > > > Salyavin, > > > > A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling you to avoid > > smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. If you fail to do so, it > > is highly likely that you will get lung cancer and a liver problem. > > > > JR > > OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit > smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. > > You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary > activity the other day. Salyavin, I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in the end, he did and was fatal. JR >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
NO, no, no, no , no! Barry while I agree with most of your posts I must stand up for humanity and declare you are WRONG!!! Adam and Eve were and are real - they are both up in heaven with Jesus and God, Moses and Elija and all the other Biblical Patriarchs (not many Biblical women made it in, apparently). These great children of God take care of things in Heaven. On the earth, Santa Claus or Father Christmas who was born on the same exact day that Jesus was born, and after he had had a few hundred years of training by verified saints he began to deliver gifts to the Christian children of the world. The Easter Bunny was Jesus's pet when he was here and was given a special dispensation to give sweets and eggs to Christian kids. ALL of these things are in the same category of Absolute Truth and Veracity as Marshy being enlightened and having given the earth Supreme Knowledge, that there are other enlightened saints running around, all of whom are vetted by Benjy Creme who has himself been given a special dispensation from God (just like the Easter Bunny) to have special knowledge to hep the rest of us. The same level of truth exists in that God has sent the Space Bros to us and in their advanced state of technology and consciousness they spend their nights smashing innocent farmers crops to let us know they are thinking of us. ON top of all this is the truth that all the Vedic Gods and Goddesses are in heaven with God and Jesus because we know that Marshy believed in them Vedic Gods and Goddesses and we know for a fact that Marshy could only have Cosmic Thoughts since he wuz a Saint. So sorry to have to correct you, but the truth will out as the Bard said (whom everyone knows was Francis Bacon and he was really St Germain.) From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 5:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > > > > > > > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > > > > > > > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > > > > > > > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > > > > > > > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > > > > > > > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > > > > > > > > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, > > > > > > > not Adam and Steve! Think harmony with the laws of > > > > > > > nature Turq, harmony. > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam and Eve huh? You know, if god made Eve out of Adam's rib > > > > > > then they shared DNA, which makes them brother and sister. > > > > > > Which is incest. Now *that* is a law of nature being broken! > > > > > > > > > > Almost everyone even in Minnesota might well know, that that's > > > > > based on mistranslation of a Hebrew word! > > > > > > > > Has everyone on this forum LOST THEIR MINDS? > > > > > > > > "Adam and Eve" is a MYTH. > > > > > > Buh...buh...but shouldn't even myths be translated correctly? :o > > > > It doesn't matter whether you translate the description > > of Santa Claus as a "jolly fat man" or a "jelly fat man." > > He still doesn't exist. > > IMO, if one translates a word that prolly means something totally > different, as 'rib', it portrays the ancestors of Jesus, etc, as > RLY REEELY STOOOPID or PERVERT?? Don't be ridiculous. They were RLY REEELY STOOOPID in the first place for believing in the fairy tale of Adam and Eve. The "rib" is just a tiny detail in the *overall* RLY REEELY STOOOPIDNESS. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling > > > > > > you to avoid smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. > > > > > > If you fail to do so, it is highly likely that you will get > > > > > > lung cancer and a liver problem. > > > > > > > > > > OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit > > > > > smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. > > > > > > > > > > You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary > > > > > activity the other day. > > > > > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > > > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. > > > > That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve! > > Think harmony with the laws of nature Turq, harmony. > > > Adam and Eve huh? You know, if god made Eve out of Adam's rib > then they shared DNA, which makes them brother and sister. > Which is incest. Now *that* is a law of nature being broken! > If Eve is a clone of Adam, then they're brothers, and Eve is actually Yves.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > > > > > > > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > > > > > > > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > > > > > > > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > > > > > > > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > > > > > > > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > > > > > > > > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, > > > > > > > not Adam and Steve! Think harmony with the laws of > > > > > > > nature Turq, harmony. > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam and Eve huh? You know, if god made Eve out of Adam's rib > > > > > > then they shared DNA, which makes them brother and sister. > > > > > > Which is incest. Now *that* is a law of nature being broken! > > > > > > > > > > Almost everyone even in Minnesota might well know, that that's > > > > > based on mistranslation of a Hebrew word! > > > > > > > > Has everyone on this forum LOST THEIR MINDS? > > > > > > > > "Adam and Eve" is a MYTH. > > > > > > Buh...buh...but shouldn't even myths be translated correctly? :o > > > > It doesn't matter whether you translate the description > > of Santa Claus as a "jolly fat man" or a "jelly fat man." > > He still doesn't exist. > > IMO, if one translates a word that prolly means something totally > different, as 'rib', it portrays the ancestors of Jesus, etc, as > RLY REEELY STOOOPID or PERVERT?? Don't be ridiculous. They were RLY REEELY STOOOPID in the first place for believing in the fairy tale of Adam and Eve. The "rib" is just a tiny detail in the *overall* RLY REEELY STOOOPIDNESS. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > > > > > > > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > > > > > > > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > > > > > > > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > > > > > > > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > > > > > > > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > > > > > > > > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, > > > > > > > not Adam and Steve! Think harmony with the laws of > > > > > > > nature Turq, harmony. > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam and Eve huh? You know, if god made Eve out of Adam's rib > > > > > > then they shared DNA, which makes them brother and sister. > > > > > > Which is incest. Now *that* is a law of nature being broken! > > > > > > > > > > Almost everyone even in Minnesota might well know, that that's > > > > > based on mistranslation of a Hebrew word! > > > > > > > > Has everyone on this forum LOST THEIR MINDS? > > > > > > > > "Adam and Eve" is a MYTH. > > > > > > Buh...buh...but shouldn't even myths be translated correctly? :o > > > > It doesn't matter whether you translate the description > > of Santa Claus as a "jolly fat man" or a "jelly fat man." > > He still doesn't exist. > > > > IMO, if one translates a word that prolly means something totally > different, as 'rib', it portrays the ancestors of Jesus, etc, as > RLY REEELY STOOOPID or PERVERT?? Ah, that's the mistranslated word! I thought god was just being lazy with the rib thing, like he'd done 6 days work already and couldn't be bothered to make *one* other being thus dooming us all. Funny that man is such an interbred creature though, our biblical forefathers couldn't have forseen that we have less genetic diversity among our entire number than any group of wild chimpanzees. Can't imagine explaining the concepts to them though. Amazing and we have some volcano induced climate change to thank for it, it wiped most of us out 70,000 years ago. But not mitochondrial Eve whose DNA we all carry still. The one woman whose children all survived. The mother of man! Maybe it's me but I notice that whenever science overturns one excellent story it replaces it with something much more interesting. You can't stop progress!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > > > > > > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > > > > > > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > > > > > > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > > > > > > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > > > > > > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > > > > > > > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, > > > > > > not Adam and Steve! Think harmony with the laws of > > > > > > nature Turq, harmony. > > > > > > > > > > Adam and Eve huh? You know, if god made Eve out of Adam's rib > > > > > then they shared DNA, which makes them brother and sister. > > > > > Which is incest. Now *that* is a law of nature being broken! > > > > > > > > Almost everyone even in Minnesota might well know, that that's > > > > based on mistranslation of a Hebrew word! > > > > > > Has everyone on this forum LOST THEIR MINDS? > > > > > > "Adam and Eve" is a MYTH. > > > > Buh...buh...but shouldn't even myths be translated correctly? :o > > It doesn't matter whether you translate the description > of Santa Claus as a "jolly fat man" or a "jelly fat man." > He still doesn't exist. > IMO, if one translates a word that prolly means something totally different, as 'rib', it portrays the ancestors of Jesus, etc, as RLY REEELY STOOOPID or PERVERT??
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > > > > > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > > > > > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > > > > > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > > > > > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > > > > > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > > > > > > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. > > > > > > > > > > That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, > > > > > not Adam and Steve! Think harmony with the laws of > > > > > nature Turq, harmony. > > > > > > > > Adam and Eve huh? You know, if god made Eve out of Adam's rib > > > > then they shared DNA, which makes them brother and sister. > > > > Which is incest. Now *that* is a law of nature being broken! > > > > > > Almost everyone even in Minnesota might well know, that that's > > > based on mistranslation of a Hebrew word! > > > > Has everyone on this forum LOST THEIR MINDS? > > > > "Adam and Eve" is a MYTH. > > Buh...buh...but shouldn't even myths be translated correctly? :o It doesn't matter whether you translate the description of Santa Claus as a "jolly fat man" or a "jelly fat man." He still doesn't exist.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > > > > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > > > > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > > > > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > > > > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > > > > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > > > > > > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > > > > > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. > > > > > > > > That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, > > > > not Adam and Steve! Think harmony with the laws of > > > > nature Turq, harmony. > > > > > > Adam and Eve huh? You know, if god made Eve out of Adam's rib > > > then they shared DNA, which makes them brother and sister. > > > Which is incest. Now *that* is a law of nature being broken! > > > > Almost everyone even in Minnesota might well know, that that's > > based on mistranslation of a Hebrew word! > > Has everyone on this forum LOST THEIR MINDS? > > "Adam and Eve" is a MYTH. > Buh...buh...but shouldn't even myths be translated correctly? :o
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > > > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > > > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > > > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > > > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > > > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > > > > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > > > > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. > > > > > > That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, > > > not Adam and Steve! Think harmony with the laws of > > > nature Turq, harmony. > > > > Adam and Eve huh? You know, if god made Eve out of Adam's rib > > then they shared DNA, which makes them brother and sister. > > Which is incest. Now *that* is a law of nature being broken! > > Almost everyone even in Minnesota might well know, that that's > based on mistranslation of a Hebrew word! Has everyone on this forum LOST THEIR MINDS? "Adam and Eve" is a MYTH. As is God. As is the concept of anyone, anywhere, at any point in time "knowing" what the "Laws Of Nature" are. Someday I'd love for homophobes to actually "come out" and be HONEST. They hate the idea of gay sex because either they've been taught to by generations of homo- phobes before them, many of them posing as "religious" leaders claiming to "know" things that no human can know (and many of them closet homosexuals themselves), or they're terrified that THEY might have had a few gay sex impulses themselves, or both. Such beliefs strike me as an INSULT to the very idea of God, if one believed in one. How could *anyone* imagine that a God would be such a micromanager and such a prude that He/She/It would give a shit what any of His/Her/Its creations do with their convex or concave parts. After all, He/She/It created over 1,500 species on planet Earth that display homosexual behavior. Did He/She/It just *fuck up* when doing that, or should it be taken as a sign that humans' fear of such behavior is THEIR prejudice, not God's? AIDS is similarly a *disease*, without prejudice. It became associated with gay behavior *by accident*, not by any cosmic design, and similarly afflicts those who indulge in straight sex. HIV/AIDS is a global pandemic, and as of 2011 approximately 34 million people have HIV worldwide. Of these, approximately 17.2 million are men, 16.8 million are women and 3.4 million are less than 15 years old. There were about 1.8 million deaths from AIDS in 2010, down from 2.2 million in 2005. If "your" God did all that just to punish "bad" behavior in gay people, you can *have* the malignant, sadistic motherfucker. I want no part of anyone or anything that insane, or anyone who reveres Him/Her/It.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling > > > > > > you to avoid smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. > > > > > > If you fail to do so, it is highly likely that you will get > > > > > > lung cancer and a liver problem. > > > > > > > > > > OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit > > > > > smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. > > > > > > > > > > You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary > > > > > activity the other day. > > > > > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > > > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. > > > > That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve! > > Think harmony with the laws of nature Turq, harmony. > > > Adam and Eve huh? You know, if god made Eve out of Adam's rib > then they shared DNA, which makes them brother and sister. > Which is incest. Now *that* is a law of nature being broken! > Almost everyone even in Minnesota might well know, that that's based on mistranslation of a Hebrew word!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
Yeah, and to even pile the shit on higher is to believe in god and think has no judgement on any of his/her children because how the hell did god spawn off a his/her from his/her as if one or the other or both came from one? Yeah. Yeah. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > That's complete bullshit - to believe that one has to on some level believe > that God sanctions heterosexual energy and does not sanction homosexual - God > has no judgement against any of His/Her children, not even those foolish > enough to believe that Marshy was enlightened and yes I know all about what > Charlie Lutes used to say about homosexual sex creating monsters on the > astral planes - he was more of a bullshiter than Marshy and that's saying a > lot! > > > > > > From: John > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 4:01 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish... > > > > Â > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling > > > > > > you to avoid smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. > > > > > > If you fail to do so, it is highly likely that you will get > > > > > > lung cancer and a liver problem. > > > > > > > > > > OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit > > > > > smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. > > > > > > > > > > You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary > > > > > activity the other day. > > > > > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > > > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. > > > > That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve! > > Think harmony with the laws of nature Turq, harmony. > > Billy, > > That's an excellent point. > > Hey, Barry, I agree with Billy on the idea of a default position. > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Salyavin, > > > > > > > > > > > > You have to remember that jyotish is a model of a person's life > > > > > > potential which takes into consideration the various probabilities > > > > > > and permutations of his/her actions. IOW, a person has the free > > > > > > will to take whatever actions are best for his/her life. As such, > > > > > > each action has a corresponding result or fruit of action. > > > > > > > > > > > > In short, jyotish is the science of light which guides humans to > > > > > > take the best actions (morally and holistically) in order to get > > > > > > the best results in life. > > > > > > > > > > But you've only got to do one thing opposite to what's recommended > > > > > by the horoscope and the whole thing is irrelevant forever. Unless > > > > > the universe resets itself to match your new destiny, which hardly > > > > > seems likely. > > > > > > > > > > Think about it. If you aren't doing one day what was predicted then > > > > > the next prediction is in error and they will keep being in error > > > > > until you start going along with your earliest chart. Or is that the > > > > > idea? Shit, maybe that's why it doesn't work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salyavin, > > > > > > > > A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling you to > > > > avoid smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. If you fail to > > > > do so, it is highly likely that you will get lung cancer and a liver > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > JR > > > > > > OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit > > > smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. > > > > > > You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary > > > activity the other day. > > > > > > Salyavin, > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's chart. He had > > the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the 12th house in the sign of > > Scorpio. He had the option not to engage in gay sex. But he chose to > > engage in it. As such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > JR > > > > Uh-oh, jr, you just opened yourself up to being called a homophobe, bigot and > any other expletive the self righteous superiors wish to call you on this > forum, all without accountability on their part of course! (Name calling; the > cowardly resort of the intellectually bankrupt.) > Billy, It's a statement of fact which turned out to be true. What's wrong with that?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling > > > > > you to avoid smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. > > > > > If you fail to do so, it is highly likely that you will get > > > > > lung cancer and a liver problem. > > > > > > > > OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit > > > > smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. > > > > > > > > You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary > > > > activity the other day. > > > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. > > That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve! > Think harmony with the laws of nature Turq, harmony. Adam and Eve huh? You know, if god made Eve out of Adam's rib then they shared DNA, which makes them brother and sister. Which is incest. Now *that* is a law of nature being broken!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
That's complete bullshit - to believe that one has to on some level believe that God sanctions heterosexual energy and does not sanction homosexual - God has no judgement against any of His/Her children, not even those foolish enough to believe that Marshy was enlightened and yes I know all about what Charlie Lutes used to say about homosexual sex creating monsters on the astral planes - he was more of a bullshiter than Marshy and that's saying a lot! From: John To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 4:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling > > > > > you to avoid smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. > > > > > If you fail to do so, it is highly likely that you will get > > > > > lung cancer and a liver problem. > > > > > > > > OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit > > > > smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. > > > > > > > > You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary > > > > activity the other day. > > > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. > > That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve! > Think harmony with the laws of nature Turq, harmony. Billy, That's an excellent point. Hey, Barry, I agree with Billy on the idea of a default position. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling > > > > > you to avoid smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. > > > > > If you fail to do so, it is highly likely that you will get > > > > > lung cancer and a liver problem. > > > > > > > > OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit > > > > smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. > > > > > > > > You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary > > > > activity the other day. > > > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. > > That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve! > Think harmony with the laws of nature Turq, harmony. Billy, That's an excellent point. Hey, Barry, I agree with Billy on the idea of a default position. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling > > > > you to avoid smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. > > > > If you fail to do so, it is highly likely that you will get > > > > lung cancer and a liver problem. > > > > > > OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit > > > smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. > > > > > > You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary > > > activity the other day. > > > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve! Think harmony with the laws of nature Turq, harmony.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Salyavin, > > > > > > > > > > You have to remember that jyotish is a model of a person's life > > > > > potential which takes into consideration the various probabilities > > > > > and permutations of his/her actions. IOW, a person has the free will > > > > > to take whatever actions are best for his/her life. As such, each > > > > > action has a corresponding result or fruit of action. > > > > > > > > > > In short, jyotish is the science of light which guides humans to take > > > > > the best actions (morally and holistically) in order to get the best > > > > > results in life. > > > > > > > > But you've only got to do one thing opposite to what's recommended > > > > by the horoscope and the whole thing is irrelevant forever. Unless > > > > the universe resets itself to match your new destiny, which hardly > > > > seems likely. > > > > > > > > Think about it. If you aren't doing one day what was predicted then > > > > the next prediction is in error and they will keep being in error > > > > until you start going along with your earliest chart. Or is that the > > > > idea? Shit, maybe that's why it doesn't work. > > > > > > > > > > Salyavin, > > > > > > A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling you to avoid > > > smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. If you fail to do so, > > > it is highly likely that you will get lung cancer and a liver problem. > > > > > > JR > > > > OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit > > smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. > > > > You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary > > activity the other day. > > > Salyavin, > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's chart. He had the > combination of Rahu and the Moon in the 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. > He had the option not to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. > As such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in the end, he did > and was fatal. > > JR Uh-oh, jr, you just opened yourself up to being called a homophobe, bigot and any other expletive the self righteous superiors wish to call you on this forum, all without accountability on their part of course! (Name calling; the cowardly resort of the intellectually bankrupt.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: (snip) > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > > the end, he did and was fatal. > > Please relate for us the story of the day you > made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. Did John say anything about Liberace having chosen to be a homosexual? Or did you make that up?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling > > > you to avoid smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. > > > If you fail to do so, it is highly likely that you will get > > > lung cancer and a liver problem. > > > > OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit > > smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. > > > > You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary > > activity the other day. > > I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's > chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the > 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not > to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As > such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in > the end, he did and was fatal. Please relate for us the story of the day you made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > Salyavin, > > > > > > > > You have to remember that jyotish is a model of a person's life > > > > potential which takes into consideration the various probabilities and > > > > permutations of his/her actions. IOW, a person has the free will to > > > > take whatever actions are best for his/her life. As such, each action > > > > has a corresponding result or fruit of action. > > > > > > > > In short, jyotish is the science of light which guides humans to take > > > > the best actions (morally and holistically) in order to get the best > > > > results in life. > > > > > > But you've only got to do one thing opposite to what's recommended > > > by the horoscope and the whole thing is irrelevant forever. Unless > > > the universe resets itself to match your new destiny, which hardly > > > seems likely. > > > > > > Think about it. If you aren't doing one day what was predicted then > > > the next prediction is in error and they will keep being in error > > > until you start going along with your earliest chart. Or is that the > > > idea? Shit, maybe that's why it doesn't work. > > > > > > > Salyavin, > > > > A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling you to avoid > > smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. If you fail to do so, it > > is highly likely that you will get lung cancer and a liver problem. > > > > JR > > OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit > smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. > > You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary > activity the other day. Salyavin, I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in the end, he did and was fatal. JR >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
One, a VW bus, with the front emblem painted over as a peace sign. He did have a small herd of Indian elephants, but lost them to big game rustlers, an increasing problem in the state of Rhode Island, where he resides. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I remember Marshy saying that the best jyotishee would be a > > > > computer because the universe worked in such a predictable > > > > mechanical way, the less human interference in the process > > > > the better! > > > > > > > > I also remember the list of jyotish predictions that they > > > > published every year. Had a full set in my office. Ever > > > > quizzical I used to save them up and check to see how many > > > > predictions came true. Not many. > > > > > > > > I also remember the jyotish programme being suspended for > > > > a while due to complaints about poor performance and then > > > > re-introduced, but only for people who could provide the > > > > birth details of both sets of grandparents! This would have > > > > been in the late 90's. > > > > > > > > Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should > > > > check out Tony Nader's book of "discoveries" where there is a > > > > diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different > > > > parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets > > > > beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers > > > > chose not to cognize them. Or kept quite about it if they did. > > > > You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit > > > > them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. > > > > Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for > > > > them. But to not even notice! > > > > > > > > I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which > > > > was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never > > > > wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments > > > > didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they > > > > published on the Marshy channel were of the "Wow, this knowledge > > > > is the best thing ever!" variety. > > > > > > > > That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's > > > > no room for improvement. > > > > > > I recall having a printout from a Fairfield, IA developed program called > > > Parasharas's Light which collated English translations of all the > > > applicable Vedic astrology texts with a chart. I am still waiting for all > > > those elephants it said I was going to own. > > > > > > > Xeno, > > > > The modern equivalent to elephants are motor vehicles like cars, vans, and > > trucks. You have to use your common sense. > > LOL. > > > By the way, that program is excellent and I'm still using it in my jyotish > > analyses. > > So can you tell us how many cars Xeno owns? > > > > > JR > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > Salyavin, > > > > > > You have to remember that jyotish is a model of a person's life potential > > > which takes into consideration the various probabilities and permutations > > > of his/her actions. IOW, a person has the free will to take whatever > > > actions are best for his/her life. As such, each action has a > > > corresponding result or fruit of action. > > > > > > In short, jyotish is the science of light which guides humans to take the > > > best actions (morally and holistically) in order to get the best results > > > in life. > > > > But you've only got to do one thing opposite to what's recommended > > by the horoscope and the whole thing is irrelevant forever. Unless > > the universe resets itself to match your new destiny, which hardly > > seems likely. > > > > Think about it. If you aren't doing one day what was predicted then > > the next prediction is in error and they will keep being in error > > until you start going along with your earliest chart. Or is that the > > idea? Shit, maybe that's why it doesn't work. > > > > Salyavin, > > A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling you to avoid > smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. If you fail to do so, it is > highly likely that you will get lung cancer and a liver problem. > > JR OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary activity the other day.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > Salyavin, > > > > You have to remember that jyotish is a model of a person's life potential > > which takes into consideration the various probabilities and permutations > > of his/her actions. IOW, a person has the free will to take whatever > > actions are best for his/her life. As such, each action has a > > corresponding result or fruit of action. > > > > In short, jyotish is the science of light which guides humans to take the > > best actions (morally and holistically) in order to get the best results in > > life. > > But you've only got to do one thing opposite to what's recommended > by the horoscope and the whole thing is irrelevant forever. Unless > the universe resets itself to match your new destiny, which hardly > seems likely. > > Think about it. If you aren't doing one day what was predicted then > the next prediction is in error and they will keep being in error > until you start going along with your earliest chart. Or is that the > idea? Shit, maybe that's why it doesn't work. > Salyavin, A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling you to avoid smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. If you fail to do so, it is highly likely that you will get lung cancer and a liver problem. JR > > JR > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember Marshy saying that the best jyotishee would be a > > > computer because the universe worked in such a predictable > > > mechanical way, the less human interference in the process > > > the better! > > > > > > I also remember the list of jyotish predictions that they > > > published every year. Had a full set in my office. Ever > > > quizzical I used to save them up and check to see how many > > > predictions came true. Not many. > > > > > > I also remember the jyotish programme being suspended for > > > a while due to complaints about poor performance and then > > > re-introduced, but only for people who could provide the > > > birth details of both sets of grandparents! This would have > > > been in the late 90's. > > > > > > Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should > > > check out Tony Nader's book of "discoveries" where there is a > > > diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different > > > parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets > > > beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers > > > chose not to cognize them. Or kept quite about it if they did. > > > You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit > > > them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. > > > Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for > > > them. But to not even notice! > > > > > > I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which > > > was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never > > > wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments > > > didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they > > > published on the Marshy channel were of the "Wow, this knowledge > > > is the best thing ever!" variety. > > > > > > That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's > > > no room for improvement. > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > Salyavin, > > > > > > You have to remember that jyotish is a model of a person's life potential > > > which takes into consideration the various probabilities and permutations > > > of his/her actions. IOW, a person has the free will to take whatever > > > actions are best for his/her life. As such, each action has a > > > corresponding result or fruit of action. > > > > > > In short, jyotish is the science of light which guides humans to take the > > > best actions (morally and holistically) in order to get the best results > > > in life. > > > > But you've only got to do one thing opposite to what's recommended > > by the horoscope and the whole thing is irrelevant forever. Unless > > the universe resets itself to match your new destiny, which hardly > > seems likely. > > > > Think about it. If you aren't doing one day what was predicted then > > the next prediction is in error and they will keep being in error > > until you start going along with your earliest chart. Or is that the > > idea? Shit, maybe that's why it doesn't work. > > Perhaps you could call astrology the science of 'probabilities', for > instance, if you repeat an action the same way 99 times in a row, what are > the chances you will do it the 100th time in the same way?, that's astrology > in a nutshell, IMO. > > The planets define ones habit patterns from previous lifetimes, as ye sow so > shall ye reap. We create our own horoscope (destiny) by the lives we have > lived in the past, (karma). H..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > Salyavin, > > > > You have to remember that jyotish is a model of a person's life potential > > which takes into consideration the various probabilities and permutations > > of his/her actions. IOW, a person has the free will to take whatever > > actions are best for his/her life. As such, each action has a > > corresponding result or fruit of action. > > > > In short, jyotish is the science of light which guides humans to take the > > best actions (morally and holistically) in order to get the best results in > > life. > > But you've only got to do one thing opposite to what's recommended > by the horoscope and the whole thing is irrelevant forever. Unless > the universe resets itself to match your new destiny, which hardly > seems likely. > > Think about it. If you aren't doing one day what was predicted then > the next prediction is in error and they will keep being in error > until you start going along with your earliest chart. Or is that the > idea? Shit, maybe that's why it doesn't work. Perhaps you could call astrology the science of 'probabilities', for instance, if you repeat an action the same way 99 times in a row, what are the chances you will do it the 100th time in the same way?, that's astrology in a nutshell, IMO. The planets define ones habit patterns from previous lifetimes, as ye sow so shall ye reap. We create our own horoscope (destiny) by the lives we have lived in the past, (karma).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > wrote: > > > > > > I remember Marshy saying that the best jyotishee would be a > > > computer because the universe worked in such a predictable > > > mechanical way, the less human interference in the process > > > the better! > > > > > > I also remember the list of jyotish predictions that they > > > published every year. Had a full set in my office. Ever > > > quizzical I used to save them up and check to see how many > > > predictions came true. Not many. > > > > > > I also remember the jyotish programme being suspended for > > > a while due to complaints about poor performance and then > > > re-introduced, but only for people who could provide the > > > birth details of both sets of grandparents! This would have > > > been in the late 90's. > > > > > > Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should > > > check out Tony Nader's book of "discoveries" where there is a > > > diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different > > > parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets > > > beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers > > > chose not to cognize them. Or kept quite about it if they did. > > > You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit > > > them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. > > > Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for > > > them. But to not even notice! > > > > > > I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which > > > was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never > > > wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments > > > didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they > > > published on the Marshy channel were of the "Wow, this knowledge > > > is the best thing ever!" variety. > > > > > > That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's > > > no room for improvement. > > > > I recall having a printout from a Fairfield, IA developed program called > > Parasharas's Light which collated English translations of all the > > applicable Vedic astrology texts with a chart. I am still waiting for all > > those elephants it said I was going to own. > > > > Xeno, > > The modern equivalent to elephants are motor vehicles like cars, vans, and > trucks. You have to use your common sense. LOL. > By the way, that program is excellent and I'm still using it in my jyotish > analyses. So can you tell us how many cars Xeno owns? > > JR >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > Salyavin, > > You have to remember that jyotish is a model of a person's life potential > which takes into consideration the various probabilities and permutations of > his/her actions. IOW, a person has the free will to take whatever actions > are best for his/her life. As such, each action has a corresponding result > or fruit of action. > > In short, jyotish is the science of light which guides humans to take the > best actions (morally and holistically) in order to get the best results in > life. But you've only got to do one thing opposite to what's recommended by the horoscope and the whole thing is irrelevant forever. Unless the universe resets itself to match your new destiny, which hardly seems likely. Think about it. If you aren't doing one day what was predicted then the next prediction is in error and they will keep being in error until you start going along with your earliest chart. Or is that the idea? Shit, maybe that's why it doesn't work. > JR > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > > > > > I remember Marshy saying that the best jyotishee would be a > > computer because the universe worked in such a predictable > > mechanical way, the less human interference in the process > > the better! > > > > I also remember the list of jyotish predictions that they > > published every year. Had a full set in my office. Ever > > quizzical I used to save them up and check to see how many > > predictions came true. Not many. > > > > I also remember the jyotish programme being suspended for > > a while due to complaints about poor performance and then > > re-introduced, but only for people who could provide the > > birth details of both sets of grandparents! This would have > > been in the late 90's. > > > > Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should > > check out Tony Nader's book of "discoveries" where there is a > > diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different > > parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets > > beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers > > chose not to cognize them. Or kept quite about it if they did. > > You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit > > them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. > > Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for > > them. But to not even notice! > > > > I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which > > was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never > > wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments > > didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they > > published on the Marshy channel were of the "Wow, this knowledge > > is the best thing ever!" variety. > > > > That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's > > no room for improvement. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
Salyavin, You have to remember that jyotish is a model of a person's life potential which takes into consideration the various probabilities and permutations of his/her actions. IOW, a person has the free will to take whatever actions are best for his/her life. As such, each action has a corresponding result or fruit of action. In short, jyotish is the science of light which guides humans to take the best actions (morally and holistically) in order to get the best results in life. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > I remember Marshy saying that the best jyotishee would be a > computer because the universe worked in such a predictable > mechanical way, the less human interference in the process > the better! > > I also remember the list of jyotish predictions that they > published every year. Had a full set in my office. Ever > quizzical I used to save them up and check to see how many > predictions came true. Not many. > > I also remember the jyotish programme being suspended for > a while due to complaints about poor performance and then > re-introduced, but only for people who could provide the > birth details of both sets of grandparents! This would have > been in the late 90's. > > Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should > check out Tony Nader's book of "discoveries" where there is a > diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different > parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets > beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers > chose not to cognize them. Or kept quite about it if they did. > You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit > them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. > Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for > them. But to not even notice! > > I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which > was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never > wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments > didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they > published on the Marshy channel were of the "Wow, this knowledge > is the best thing ever!" variety. > > That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's > no room for improvement. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > I remember Marshy saying that the best jyotishee would be a > > computer because the universe worked in such a predictable > > mechanical way, the less human interference in the process > > the better! > > > > I also remember the list of jyotish predictions that they > > published every year. Had a full set in my office. Ever > > quizzical I used to save them up and check to see how many > > predictions came true. Not many. > > > > I also remember the jyotish programme being suspended for > > a while due to complaints about poor performance and then > > re-introduced, but only for people who could provide the > > birth details of both sets of grandparents! This would have > > been in the late 90's. > > > > Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should > > check out Tony Nader's book of "discoveries" where there is a > > diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different > > parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets > > beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers > > chose not to cognize them. Or kept quite about it if they did. > > You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit > > them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. > > Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for > > them. But to not even notice! > > > > I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which > > was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never > > wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments > > didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they > > published on the Marshy channel were of the "Wow, this knowledge > > is the best thing ever!" variety. > > > > That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's > > no room for improvement. > > I recall having a printout from a Fairfield, IA developed program called > Parasharas's Light which collated English translations of all the applicable > Vedic astrology texts with a chart. I am still waiting for all those > elephants it said I was going to own. > Xeno, The modern equivalent to elephants are motor vehicles like cars, vans, and trucks. You have to use your common sense. By the way, that program is excellent and I'm still using it in my jyotish analyses. JR
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
On 06/13/2013 06:07 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > wrote: >> I remember Marshy saying that the best jyotishee would be a >> computer because the universe worked in such a predictable >> mechanical way, the less human interference in the process >> the better! >> >> I also remember the list of jyotish predictions that they >> published every year. Had a full set in my office. Ever >> quizzical I used to save them up and check to see how many >> predictions came true. Not many. >> >> I also remember the jyotish programme being suspended for >> a while due to complaints about poor performance and then >> re-introduced, but only for people who could provide the >> birth details of both sets of grandparents! This would have >> been in the late 90's. >> >> Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should >> check out Tony Nader's book of "discoveries" where there is a >> diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different >> parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets >> beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers >> chose not to cognize them. Or kept quite about it if they did. >> You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit >> them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. >> Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for >> them. But to not even notice! >> >> I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which >> was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never >> wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments >> didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they >> published on the Marshy channel were of the "Wow, this knowledge >> is the best thing ever!" variety. >> >> That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's >> no room for improvement. > I recall having a printout from a Fairfield, IA developed program called > Parasharas's Light which collated English translations of all the applicable > Vedic astrology texts with a chart. I am still waiting for all those > elephants it said I was going to own. How many cars have you owned? Which brings up a point about Indian astrology. It was the purview of the rich not the masses. Obviously at the time only the rich could afford to have their charts cast and often it was only the kings or rajas. For the masses there was the panchang using the position of the moon which can be determined by just looking at moon's phases. We haven't even touched palmistry yet but it may give another clue as to why astrology works. I also took courses on it and once read the palm of the wife of a co-worker. I told her there would be some medical issues ahead. Another co-worker who had taken some of the palmistry classes with me was shocked I would say such a thing. He didn't notice the grin on the couple's face. They had recently learned they were expecting a child. Astrology most likely developed from marking time with the moon, then the sun and eventually the planets. What was being observed were patterns in nature that repeat themselves. Those who know the physics of sound know that a fundamental sound has overtones. The universe was created as a fundamental tone we are just the overtone series. It's like the whole universe is made of fractals. Astrology is not supposed to be exact. Weather forecasting isn't exact either but provides the likelihood of weather patterns. Similarly astrology provides a likelihood of patterns occurring in someone's life. Bad astrologers believe it to be black and white.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > > > Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should > > check out Tony Nader's book of "discoveries" where there is a > > diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different > > parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets > > beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers > > chose not to cognize them. > > I doubt if little Tony Nader knew why the ancients only considered the 7 > 'planets'; 5 planets and two luminaries (Sun and Moon). Manly Hall has > addressed this issue in the below lecture if you feel up to it, (may want to > start at 4:20) prepare yourself to attempt to understand a very complex > subject.enjoy. I'll try but I think Nader's problem is that they aren't visible to the naked eye and can't just put them in without polluting the vedic language with new ideas. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BJB0eZNAzY > > He did a whole series on the "septenaries". I watched a bit of it, the first few mins were quite interesting actually. But I disagree that our ancient ancestors knew more than we do. They may have *believed* differently about everything but beliefs aren't knowledge. You never know what they might have seen and interpreted differently to how we would, all the "wheels within wheels" stuff in the bible sounds like a description of the gates of Babylon. Interesting idea about why there are 7 days weeks though, it's all to do with the moon of course and it all comes from Babylon. We still use so much from that civilisation even though it disappeared in old testament times, but we've kept the stories alive. Funny how some beliefs stick and get passed on... > Or kept quite about it if they did. > > You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit > > them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. > > Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for > > them. But to not even notice! > > > > I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which > > was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never > > wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments > > didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they > > published on the Marshy channel were of the "Wow, this knowledge > > is the best thing ever!" variety. > > > > That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's > > no room for improvement. > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
wgm4 wrote: The freewill of the soul is the unknown factor X; we can always change our destiny laid out by the stars by spiritualized will. share replies: paraphrasing a tape of Maharishi: that the present moment is the most powerful moment regardless of one's karma From: wgm4u To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 8:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > I remember Marshy saying that the best jyotishee would be a > computer because the universe worked in such a predictable > mechanical way, the less human interference in the process > the better! > > I also remember the list of jyotish predictions that they > published every year. Had a full set in my office. Ever > quizzical I used to save them up and check to see how many > predictions came true. Not many. > > I also remember the jyotish programme being suspended for > a while due to complaints about poor performance and then > re-introduced, but only for people who could provide the > birth details of both sets of grandparents! This would have > been in the late 90's. > > Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should > check out Tony Nader's book of "discoveries" where there is a > diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different > parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets > beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers > chose not to cognize them. Or kept quite about it if they did. > You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit > them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. > Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for > them. But to not even notice! > > I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which > was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never > wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments > didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they > published on the Marshy channel were of the "Wow, this knowledge > is the best thing ever!" variety. > > That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's > no room for improvement. Exclusively a computer? That strikes me as nonsense, the planets impel NOT compel as the saying goes. MMY probably didn't know much about astrology himself. The freewill of the soul is the unknown factor X; we can always change our destiny laid out by the stars by spiritualized will. A computer is certainly useful but also has its limits, the astrologers intuition can also play a big part in diagnosis. I like your comment about having Total Knowledge, TM isn't even being taught in the context of Yoga anyway, that eliminates an entire section of Patanjali's ashtanga (eight limbed) Yoga. TM is MMY's attempt to introduce Yoga and Vedic culture to modernity through the back door of science, TM, is *Yoga-lite* for modernity. And Yoga is the practical means to achieve the ends stated in Sanatana Dharma or the "eternal Religion represented by the Vedas" as MMY has stated, in his transcribed book, "The Vedas" 1964.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should > check out Tony Nader's book of "discoveries" where there is a > diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different > parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets > beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers > chose not to cognize them. I doubt if little Tony Nader knew why the ancients only considered the 7 'planets'; 5 planets and two luminaries (Sun and Moon). Manly Hall has addressed this issue in the below lecture if you feel up to it, (may want to start at 4:20) prepare yourself to attempt to understand a very complex subject.enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BJB0eZNAzY He did a whole series on the "septenaries". Or kept quite about it if they did. > You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit > them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. > Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for > them. But to not even notice! > > I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which > was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never > wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments > didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they > published on the Marshy channel were of the "Wow, this knowledge > is the best thing ever!" variety. > > That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's > no room for improvement. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > I remember Marshy saying that the best jyotishee would be a > computer because the universe worked in such a predictable > mechanical way, the less human interference in the process > the better! > > I also remember the list of jyotish predictions that they > published every year. Had a full set in my office. Ever > quizzical I used to save them up and check to see how many > predictions came true. Not many. > > I also remember the jyotish programme being suspended for > a while due to complaints about poor performance and then > re-introduced, but only for people who could provide the > birth details of both sets of grandparents! This would have > been in the late 90's. > > Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should > check out Tony Nader's book of "discoveries" where there is a > diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different > parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets > beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers > chose not to cognize them. Or kept quite about it if they did. > You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit > them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. > Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for > them. But to not even notice! > > I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which > was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never > wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments > didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they > published on the Marshy channel were of the "Wow, this knowledge > is the best thing ever!" variety. > > That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's > no room for improvement. Exclusively a computer? That strikes me as nonsense, the planets impel NOT compel as the saying goes. MMY probably didn't know much about astrology himself. The freewill of the soul is the unknown factor X; we can always change our destiny laid out by the stars by spiritualized will. A computer is certainly useful but also has its limits, the astrologers intuition can also play a big part in diagnosis. I like your comment about having Total Knowledge, TM isn't even being taught in the context of Yoga anyway, that eliminates an entire section of Patanjali's ashtanga (eight limbed) Yoga. TM is MMY's attempt to introduce Yoga and Vedic culture to modernity through the back door of science, TM, is *Yoga-lite* for modernity. And Yoga is the practical means to achieve the ends stated in Sanatana Dharma or the "eternal Religion represented by the Vedas" as MMY has stated, in his transcribed book, "The Vedas" 1964.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > I remember Marshy saying that the best jyotishee would be a > > computer because the universe worked in such a predictable > > mechanical way, the less human interference in the process > > the better! > > > > I also remember the list of jyotish predictions that they > > published every year. Had a full set in my office. Ever > > quizzical I used to save them up and check to see how many > > predictions came true. Not many. > > > > I also remember the jyotish programme being suspended for > > a while due to complaints about poor performance and then > > re-introduced, but only for people who could provide the > > birth details of both sets of grandparents! This would have > > been in the late 90's. > > > > Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should > > check out Tony Nader's book of "discoveries" where there is a > > diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different > > parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets > > beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers > > chose not to cognize them. Or kept quite about it if they did. > > You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit > > them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. > > Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for > > them. But to not even notice! > > > > I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which > > was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never > > wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments > > didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they > > published on the Marshy channel were of the "Wow, this knowledge > > is the best thing ever!" variety. > > > > That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's > > no room for improvement. > > I recall having a printout from a Fairfield, IA developed > program called Parasharas's Light which collated English > translations of all the applicable Vedic astrology texts > with a chart. I am still waiting for all those elephants > it said I was going to own. The prediction was clearly a pachyderm lies. Sorry, occasionally I can't resist taking you to tusk. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > I remember Marshy saying that the best jyotishee would be a > computer because the universe worked in such a predictable > mechanical way, the less human interference in the process > the better! > > I also remember the list of jyotish predictions that they > published every year. Had a full set in my office. Ever > quizzical I used to save them up and check to see how many > predictions came true. Not many. > > I also remember the jyotish programme being suspended for > a while due to complaints about poor performance and then > re-introduced, but only for people who could provide the > birth details of both sets of grandparents! This would have > been in the late 90's. > > Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should > check out Tony Nader's book of "discoveries" where there is a > diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different > parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets > beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers > chose not to cognize them. Or kept quite about it if they did. > You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit > them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. > Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for > them. But to not even notice! > > I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which > was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never > wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments > didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they > published on the Marshy channel were of the "Wow, this knowledge > is the best thing ever!" variety. > > That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's > no room for improvement. I recall having a printout from a Fairfield, IA developed program called Parasharas's Light which collated English translations of all the applicable Vedic astrology texts with a chart. I am still waiting for all those elephants it said I was going to own.
