[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your Wholeness apparently doesn't allow anger and humorlessness -- does that perhaps make anger and humorlessness more powerful than Wholeness, capable of overshadowing Wholeness? It's a fascinating thing -- one would think we could take our anger and *convert* it to humor, thereby apparently killing two birds with one stone, but it seems if we don't feed the anger and humorlessness through the Brahmic sun of self-recognition and unconditional acceptance, we aren't really providing a clean burn and are left with particulate pollution :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2005, at 8:57 AM, authfriend wrote: Or, they're the three money makers the TMO is pushing because MMY thinks they're the most important requirements for rapid growth of higher states of consciousness. So will you be moving into an east-west aligned apartment? I doubt he believes that--it's just more greed. No tradition of actual enlightenment that I am aware of requires special buildings. Where the hell does MMY get this stuff from? I agree with you, there is absolutely no spiritual tradition in recorded history that links habitat shape and orientation with enlightenment. It's really goofball stuff. Enlightment contingent upon the shape and orientation of ones house! And where does he say its a requirement for gaining enlightenment? He said it was a for more rapid growth, did he not? I asked him the same last week. Still waiting for an answer. But I am SURE he has a good cite, otherwise he would not continue to state such . What is the purpose of ANY aspect of Vedic culture? If it's part of the Hindu-Vedic tradition, it almost certainly is considered to be enlightenment-enhancing/speeding by SOME segment of the tradition... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bluecabbagerose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And where does he say its a requirement for gaining enlightenment? He said it was a for more rapid growth, did he not? The article said rapid growth to higher states of consciousness. Okay then. So are you saying that higher states of consciousness have nothing to do with enlightenment? What's the relationship between higher states of consciouness and enlightenment? I really need to know! Are you missing the word rapid? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly. Has there been anyone who has become enlightened by moving into a SV building or eating organic? Give me a break! Has MMY said that there was. I can see why you guys get upset about everything MMY says: you constantly misread/mishear it. No, the problem is that we do hear very clearly...oh the maddness, THE MADDNESS! Great. Can you please share these very clear quotes where MMYs (not his TBs) says SV is necessary for enlightenment? He may have said sv is required for enlightenment, but I don't recall it. It seems to me he talks about lessening negative influences. TBs can add all sorts of stuff to all sorts of things. Direct quotes please? Hmmm...I think you're right. SV to lessen neg influences, not the big E. IN MMY's worldview, any negative influence would slow the pace of enlightenment, would it not? Afterall, that's what stresses are: things that prevent CC. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bluecabbagerose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And where does he say its a requirement for gaining enlightenment? He said it was a for more rapid growth, did he not? The article said rapid growth to higher states of consciousness. Okay then. So are you saying that higher states of consciousness have nothing to do with enlightenment? What's the relationship between higher states of consciouness and enlightenment? I really need to know! Um, the article? It was a quote from Harry Bright, Golden Dome Market and Café director. While I am sure Harry is a bright guy, I was looking, as I assume spraig was, some actual quotes from MMY. He may have said sv is required for enlightenment, but I don't recall it. It seems to me he talks about lessening negative influences. TBs can add all sorts of stuff to all sorts of things. Barry didn't say it was a requirement to gain enlightenment either. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bluecabbagerose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And where does he say its a requirement for gaining enlightenment? He said it was a for more rapid growth, did he not? The article said rapid growth to higher states of consciousness. Okay then. So are you saying that higher states of consciousness have nothing to do with enlightenment? What's the relationship between higher states of consciouness and enlightenment? I really need to know! Enlightenment is the living experience of being fully present; creating and recreating our reality, moment by moment, and taking full responsibility for it. Who takes responsibility and who creates and recreates and who is fully present, etc? A pragmatic definition for 'higher states of consciousness' are those states of consciousness that move us towards enlightenment. So, we can have experiences of 'higher states of consciousness' and remain unenlightened. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bluecabbagerose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And where does he say its a requirement for gaining enlightenment? He said it was a for more rapid growth, did he not? The article said rapid growth to higher states of consciousness. Okay then. So are you saying that higher states of consciousness have nothing to do with enlightenment? What's the relationship between higher states of consciouness and enlightenment? I really need to know! Are you missing the word rapid? For the majority of people, what is so rapid about TM other than as a belief system? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bluecabbagerose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And where does he say its a requirement for gaining enlightenment? He said it was a for more rapid growth, did he not? The article said rapid growth to higher states of consciousness. Okay then. So are you saying that higher states of consciousness have nothing to do with enlightenment? What's the relationship between higher states of consciouness and enlightenment? I really need to know! Are you missing the word rapid? For the majority of people, what is so rapid about TM other than as a belief system? Dunno. You find research on other meditation techniques of people reporting 24/7 witnessing for years at a time, or breath suspension associated with reports of samadhi. Bet back to me when you do. Pubmed and the easelan institute's summary of 4 thousand meditation research studies would be a good place to start. Enjoy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the majority of people, what is so rapid about TM other than as a belief system? Dunno. You find research on other meditation techniques of people reporting 24/7 witnessing for years at a time, or breath suspension associated with reports of samadhi. Your research is done by TBs within the org. and published by its own journals - every group has stories of its accomplishments and superiority. Your group's philosophy values subjective experiences of witnessing and breath suspension and so that's what the stories focus on. Other groups may not value those at all within its concept of enlightenment. The one TM study that clearly meets objective research criteria and that I think everyone would view as a positive benefit is reduction of blood pressure. There are innumerable studies showing physiological changes associated with a whole variety of mental practices. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the majority of people, what is so rapid about TM other than as a belief system? Dunno. You find research on other meditation techniques of people reporting 24/7 witnessing for years at a time, or breath suspension associated with reports of samadhi. Your research is done by TBs within the org. and published by its own journals - Pubmed doesn't list any TMO journal. The Esalen Institute isn't a TMO affiliate. every group has stories of its accomplishments and superiority. Your group's philosophy values subjective experiences of witnessing and breath suspension and so that's what the stories focus on. Other groups may not value those at all within its concept of enlightenment. The one TM study that clearly meets objective research criteria and that I think everyone would view as a positive benefit is reduction of blood pressure. H. You're familiar with all TM studies? There are innumerable studies showing physiological changes associated with a whole variety of mental practices. As I mentioned earlier, the Esalen Institute has a summary of 4 thousand meditation studies. Less than 20% of them concern TM. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the majority of people, what is so rapid about TM other than as a belief system? Dunno. You find research on other meditation techniques of people reporting 24/7 witnessing for years at a time, or breath suspension associated with reports of samadhi. Your research is done by TBs within the org. and published by its own journals Er, no, it's mostly published in independent journals, many of them peer-reviewed. TM's research does need to be *replicated* by independent researchers, but TM can't force them to do so. By the same token, the scientific community can't declare TM's research invalid unless independent replication has been attempted and failed. - every group has stories of its accomplishments and superiority. Your group's philosophy values subjective experiences of witnessing and breath suspension and so that's what the stories focus on. Other groups may not value those at all within its concept of enlightenment. True, but the question here was the basis on which TM claims it fosters rapid growth to higher states of consciousness. You would hardly expect TM to support that claim in terms of some *other* group's criteria that TM did not consider valid. The one TM study that clearly meets objective research criteria and that I think everyone would view as a positive benefit is reduction of blood pressure. There are innumerable studies showing physiological changes associated with a whole variety of mental practices. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bluecabbagerose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And where does he say its a requirement for gaining enlightenment? He said it was a for more rapid growth, did he not? The article said rapid growth to higher states of consciousness. Okay then. So are you saying that higher states of consciousness have nothing to do with enlightenment? What's the relationship between higher states of consciouness and enlightenment? I really need to know! Enlightenment is the living experience of being fully present; creating and recreating our reality, moment by moment, and taking full responsibility for it. Who takes responsibility and who creates and recreates and who is fully present, etc? Anyone who chooses to. If you choose to, its you. If I choose to, its me. And please, let's not indulge in a discussion about no self present in enlightenment; for all *practical* purposes, I am present; you are present; we are present. A pragmatic definition for 'higher states of consciousness' are those states of consciousness that move us towards enlightenment. So, we can have experiences of 'higher states of consciousness' and remain unenlightened. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Who takes responsibility and who creates and recreates and who is fully present, etc? Anyone who chooses to. If you choose to, its you. If I choose to, its me. And please, let's not indulge in a discussion about no self present in enlightenment; for all *practical* purposes, I am present; you are present; we are present. Yay. I wish we could make this a *rule*: Don't make a higher-order comment about a lower-order statement UNLESS you make it explicit that you are doing so and explain what point you want to make thereby. I assume Lawson has a reason for pointing to no-self here, but it would be a lot more helpful if he explained it. Too often folks use higher-order comments as a way to avoid addressing a lower-order statement, and all it does is introduce confusion and short-circuit the discussion. If you have a *reason* for short-circuiting the discussion in this way, fine, there are occasions when it's appropriate, IMHO. But *make a case for doing it*. Don't just use it as a thought-stopper. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Who takes responsibility and who creates and recreates and who is fully present, etc? Anyone who chooses to. If you choose to, its you. If I choose to, its me. And please, let's not indulge in a discussion about no self present in enlightenment; for all *practical* purposes, I am present; you are present; we are present. Yay. I wish we could make this a *rule*: Don't make a higher-order comment about a lower-order statement UNLESS you make it explicit that you are doing so and explain what point you want to make thereby. I assume Lawson has a reason for pointing to no-self here, but it would be a lot more helpful if he explained it. Too often folks use higher-order comments as a way to avoid addressing a lower-order statement, and all it does is introduce confusion and short-circuit the discussion. If you have a *reason* for short-circuiting the discussion in this way, fine, there are occasions when it's appropriate, IMHO. But *make a case for doing it*. Don't just use it as a thought-stopper. P.S.: Lawson, I'm not saying you asked about no-self as a thought-stopper. As I said, I assume you did have a good reason. I'm really just applauding Jim's comment in general terms. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] P.S.: Lawson, I'm not saying you asked about no-self as a thought-stopper. As I said, I assume you did have a good reason. I'm really just applauding Jim's comment in general terms. I don't buy the no-self claims made about enlightenment. However, all the things being talked about seemed to be of the three gunas persuasion, and I was just wondering who was doing the three gunas thing... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] P.S.: Lawson, I'm not saying you asked about no-self as a thought-stopper. As I said, I assume you did have a good reason. I'm really just applauding Jim's comment in general terms. I don't buy the no-self claims made about enlightenment. He,he,he, Hey Tom, someone's gonna be surprised, aren't they? And to Lawson, what do you think enlightenment is, an experience? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] P.S.: Lawson, I'm not saying you asked about no-self as a thought-stopper. As I said, I assume you did have a good reason. I'm really just applauding Jim's comment in general terms. I don't buy the no-self claims made about enlightenment. He,he,he, Hey Tom, someone's gonna be surprised, aren't they? Don't be foolish. Nobody is going to be surprised. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] P.S.: Lawson, I'm not saying you asked about no-self as a thought-stopper. As I said, I assume you did have a good reason. I'm really just applauding Jim's comment in general terms. I don't buy the no-self claims made about enlightenment. However, all the things being talked about seemed to be of the three gunas persuasion, and I was just wondering who was doing the three gunas thing... Did I answer your question to your satisfaction? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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on 10/21/05 11:16 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't buy the no-self claims made about enlightenment. He,he,he, Hey Tom, someone's gonna be surprised, aren't they? And to Lawson, what do you think enlightenment is, an experience? And if it is, who has it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't buy the no-self claims made about enlightenment. He,he,he, Hey Tom, someone's gonna be surprised, aren't they? Don't be foolish. Nobody is going to be surprised. Ba-dah BAP! YA-ta-ta-ta-TA-dah, YA-ta-ta-ta-TA-dah, YA-ta-ta-ta-ta-TA-dah DAH-ah-AH. boom Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/21/05 11:16 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't buy the no-self claims made about enlightenment. He,he,he, Hey Tom, someone's gonna be surprised, aren't they? And to Lawson, what do you think enlightenment is, an experience? And if it is, who has it? No-body doesn't have the non-experience. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] P.S.: Lawson, I'm not saying you asked about no-self as a thought-stopper. As I said, I assume you did have a good reason. I'm really just applauding Jim's comment in general terms. I don't buy the no-self claims made about enlightenment. He,he,he, Hey Tom, someone's gonna be surprised, aren't they? Don't be foolish. Nobody is going to be surprised. Who said that? Who said that (and to whom)? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] P.S.: Lawson, I'm not saying you asked about no-self as a thought-stopper. As I said, I assume you did have a good reason. I'm really just applauding Jim's comment in general terms. I don't buy the no-self claims made about enlightenment. He,he,he, Hey Tom, someone's gonna be surprised, aren't they? Don't be foolish. Nobody is going to be surprised. Who said that? W.ho said that (and to whom)? It was a virtual fluxuation of the vaccuum state. Kind of a cosmic burb. (Though when you talk to me, its more of a cosmic fart.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the majority of people, what is so rapid about TM other than as a belief system? Dunno. You find research on other meditation techniques of people reporting 24/7 witnessing for years at a time, or breath suspension associated with reports of samadhi. Your research is done by TBs within the org. and published by its own journals Er, no, it's mostly published in independent journals, many of them peer-reviewed. I was referring specifically to research on witnessing and breath suspension which I doubt was published in a peer reviewed journal. In terms of tm research in general in the past 20 yrs, I estimated a couple yrs ago that about 95% was done by TMO insiders and about 80% published in TMO publications or just delivered as an address at some conference, which the TMO incorrectly refers to as published. I could not find any replication references to any of the studies. This estimation was done based on a quick look at a TMO website with a long list of studies. I'm not saying that some of the findings, esp physiological, aren't real, but I think someone is very naive to not discount inside tmo research due to the heavy marketing influence. I've heard from ex mum professors and ex grad students of the heavy pressure put on mum researchers to come up with positive results - basically to do the study over and over and keep changing the statistical analysis until you get what the university wants to hear. This is esp true with the maharishi effect work. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He,he,he, Hey Tom, someone's gonna be surprised, aren't they? Don't be foolish. Nobody is going to be surprised. Online Etymology Dictionary: surprise (n.) c.1457, unexpected attack or capture, from M.Fr. surprise a taking unawares, from noun use of pp. of O.Fr. surprendre to overtake, from sur- over + prendre to take, from L. prendere, contracted from prehendere to grasp, seize (see prehensile). Meaning something unexpected first recorded 1592, that of feeling caused by something unexpected is 1608. Meaning fancy dish is attested from 1708. From these definitions it looks pretty clear that somebody is indeed going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized -- by Nobody :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From these definitions it looks pretty clear that somebody is indeed going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized -- by Nobody :-) Whereupon since Nobody has Nothing better to do, Nobody decides to be somebody :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Don't be misled by the fact that some of the TM research reference lists give the source of many studies as the Collected Papers. If you check, you'll find those are reprints of studies that were originally published elsewhere, in independent journals. And again, the most recent volume of the Collected Papers was published a decade and a half ago. No TM research since then, except for *maybe* a paper or two in Modern Science and Vedic Science, has been published in a TMO publication. Oh OK, I assumed Collected Papers was used when there wasn't a better reference. I'll try to find the website again too as I think we're talking about a different universe of studies - many of the studies I saw listed, esp M-effect ones, weren't really published at all but were simply doctoral theses done by mum students or presentations given at various conferences. When Hagelin talks about there being 80 something different studies proving the M-effect, he's including the studies in the list I saw. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't this the same as the list of top three money makers for the TMO? That's the honest answer: Group practice of TM and TM-Sidhis is the top money-maker for the TMO? At 500 people paying $100 per month = $50,000 per month I'd say so. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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A lot of those people are MUm students, not paying regular dome fees. I don't have a real good idea of how many town rus go, but I would guess it's not more than a couple hundred. Also, I'm fairly sure you can still do the 'reduced' fee of $30/month in exchange for some work. Sal On Oct 21, 2005, at 2:57 PM, johnlasher20002000 wrote: At 500 people paying $100 per month = $50,000 per month I'd say so.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] P.S.: Lawson, I'm not saying you asked about no-self as a thought-stopper. As I said, I assume you did have a good reason. I'm really just applauding Jim's comment in general terms. I don't buy the no-self claims made about enlightenment. He,he,he, Hey Tom, someone's gonna be surprised, aren't they? Don't be foolish. Nobody is going to be surprised. Who said that? Who said that (and to whom)? Now, now... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] P.S.: Lawson, I'm not saying you asked about no-self as a thought-stopper. As I said, I assume you did have a good reason. I'm really just applauding Jim's comment in general terms. I don't buy the no-self claims made about enlightenment. He,he,he, Hey Tom, someone's gonna be surprised, aren't they? Who is gonna be surprised? And to Lawson, what do you think enlightenment is, an experience? No idea... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] P.S.: Lawson, I'm not saying you asked about no-self as a thought-stopper. As I said, I assume you did have a good reason. I'm really just applauding Jim's comment in general terms. I don't buy the no-self claims made about enlightenment. However, all the things being talked about seemed to be of the three gunas persuasion, and I was just wondering who was doing the three gunas thing... Did I answer your question to your satisfaction? Notthat I noticed... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the majority of people, what is so rapid about TM other than as a belief system? Dunno. You find research on other meditation techniques of people reporting 24/7 witnessing for years at a time, or breath suspension associated with reports of samadhi. Your research is done by TBs within the org. and published by its own journals Er, no, it's mostly published in independent journals, many of them peer-reviewed. I was referring specifically to research on witnessing and breath suspension which I doubt was published in a peer reviewed journal. You're quite wrong. In terms of tm research in general in the past 20 yrs, I estimated a couple yrs ago that about 95% was done by TMO insiders and about 80% published in TMO publications or just delivered as an address at some conference, which the TMO incorrectly refers to as published. Pubmed doesn't list TM journals OR conference proceedings. I could not find any replication references to any of the studies. This estimation was done based on a quick look at a TMO website with a long list of studies. I'm not saying that some of the findings, esp physiological, aren't real, but I think someone is very naive to not discount inside tmo research due to the heavy marketing influence. I've heard from ex mum professors and ex grad students of the heavy pressure put on mum researchers to come up with positive results - basically to do the study over and over and keep changing the statistical analysis until you get what the university wants to hear. This is esp true with the maharishi effect work. I'm aware of that regarding the ME stuff thought the DC-ME study was pretty straightfoward in its statistics. However, the breath suspension studies are quite acknowledgedly performed on cherry- picked individuals, so there's no need to hide skewing of research since its literally built into the design openly. Also, for the studies done in collaboration with non-MUM/non-TM researchers, and even the TM/MUM-only stuff done with government grant money, there's a far greater degree of scientific rigor than the stuff that only appears at conferences or in Collected Papers volume XX. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He,he,he, Hey Tom, someone's gonna be surprised, aren't they? Don't be foolish. Nobody is going to be surprised. Online Etymology Dictionary: surprise (n.) c.1457, unexpected attack or capture, from M.Fr. surprise a taking unawares, from noun use of pp. of O.Fr. surprendre to overtake, from sur- over + prendre to take, from L. prendere, contracted from prehendere to grasp, seize (see prehensile). Meaning something unexpected first recorded 1592, that of feeling caused by something unexpected is 1608. Meaning fancy dish is attested from 1708. From these definitions it looks pretty clear that somebody is indeed going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized -- by Nobody :-) Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different than many people's here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Don't be misled by the fact that some of the TM research reference lists give the source of many studies as the Collected Papers. If you check, you'll find those are reprints of studies that were originally published elsewhere, in independent journals. And again, the most recent volume of the Collected Papers was published a decade and a half ago. No TM research since then, except for *maybe* a paper or two in Modern Science and Vedic Science, has been published in a TMO publication. Oh OK, I assumed Collected Papers was used when there wasn't a better reference. I'll try to find the website again too as I think we're talking about a different universe of studies - many of the studies I saw listed, esp M-effect ones, weren't really published at all but were simply doctoral theses done by mum students or presentations given at various conferences. When Hagelin talks about there being 80 something different studies proving the M-effect, he's including the studies in the list I saw. Sure. However,*I* am only referring to studies available via the pubmed search engine from the National Institutes of Health: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Database/index.html Entrez is the integrated, text-based search and retrieval system used at NCBI for the major databases, including PubMed, Nucleotide and Protein Sequences, Protein Structures, Complete Genomes, Taxonomy, and others. Click on the graphic below for a more detailed view of Entrez integration. Here's the comprehensive search engine referred to above: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gquery/gquery.fcgi transcendental meditation yields 235 hits. I assume not all are positive. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't this the same as the list of top three money makers for the TMO? That's the honest answer: Group practice of TM and TM-Sidhis is the top money-maker for the TMO? At 500 people paying $100 per month = $50,000 per month I'd say so. er, there's far more than 500 people purchasing the amrit kalash products every month... I believe gross revenues are in the millions of dollars per month for MAPI. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip From these definitions it looks pretty clear that somebody is indeed going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized -- by Nobody :-) Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different than many people's here. I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about you? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip From these definitions it looks pretty clear that somebody is indeed going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized -- by Nobody :-) Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different than many people's here. I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about you? :-) No idea... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip From these definitions it looks pretty clear that somebody is indeed going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized -- by Nobody :-) Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different than many people's here. I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about you? :-) No idea... So you and Rory are in synch. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
sparaig wrote: Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different than many people's here. Rory Goff wrote: I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about you? :-) sparaig wrote: No idea... You have no idea how your interpretation of witnessing differs from other people's here? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip From these definitions it looks pretty clear that somebody is indeed going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized -- by Nobody :-) Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different than many people's here. I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about you? :-) No idea... So you and Rory are in synch. :) I am thinking perhaps not exactly, unless by interpretation of witnessing he means witnessing is irrelevant :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking perhaps not exactly, unless by interpretation of witnessing he means witnessing is irrelevant :-) Or unless we use witnessing to mean a specific distancing technique to separate ourselves quickly from bondage to (and identification with) our suffering (e.g. locating it in the body etc.), which IMO is best immediately followed by a unitive technique (embracing it in attention or unconditional love, allowing it to breathe, speak, etc.) to completely assimilate and dissolve the suffering into ecstacy or bliss, revitlizing the bodymind :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking perhaps not exactly, unless by interpretation of witnessing he means witnessing is irrelevant :-) Or unless we use witnessing to mean a specific distancing technique to separate ourselves quickly from bondage to (and identification with) our suffering (e.g. locating it in the body etc.), which IMO is best immediately followed by a unitive technique (embracing it in attention or unconditional love, allowing it to breathe, speak, etc.) to completely assimilate and dissolve the suffering into ecstacy or bliss, revitlizing the bodymind :-) OTOH if somone is genuinely enlivened and enlovened and enlightened and enlaughtered by the TMO's definition of witnessing et al., then more power to them, say I :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip From these definitions it looks pretty clear that somebody is indeed going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized -- by Nobody :-) Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different than many people's here. I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about you? :-) No idea... So you and Rory are in synch. :) I am thinking perhaps not exactly, unless by interpretation of witnessing he means witnessing is irrelevant :-) It was a broader joke: broadly speaking -- you both have no idea -- was the joke. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip From these definitions it looks pretty clear that somebody is indeed going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized - - by Nobody :-) Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different than many people's here. I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about you? :-) No idea... So you and Rory are in synch. :) Couldn't say... Seriously, likely not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking perhaps not exactly, unless by interpretation of witnessing he means witnessing is irrelevant :-) Or unless we use witnessing to mean a specific distancing technique to separate ourselves quickly from bondage to (and identification with) our suffering (e.g. locating it in the body etc.), which IMO is best immediately followed by a unitive technique (embracing it in attention or unconditional love, allowing it to breathe, speak, etc.) to completely assimilate and dissolve the suffering into ecstacy or bliss, revitlizing the bodymind :-) I'm pretty certain that I'm not using witnessing in that way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip From these definitions it looks pretty clear that somebody is indeed going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized -- by Nobody :-) Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different than many people's here. I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about you? :-) No idea... So you and Rory are in synch. :) I am thinking perhaps not exactly, unless by interpretation of witnessing he means witnessing is irrelevant :-) It was a broader joke: broadly speaking -- you both have no idea -- was the joke. Was my purpose in posting the words in the first place. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip From these definitions it looks pretty clear that somebody is indeed going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized -- by Nobody :-) Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different than many people's here. I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about you? :-) No idea... So you and Rory are in synch. :) I am thinking perhaps not exactly, unless by interpretation of witnessing he means witnessing is irrelevant :-) It was a broader joke: broadly speaking -- you both have no idea -- was the joke. Was my purpose in posting the words in the first place. I know. I got your joke. I was following up on it. It seems Rory is the only one outside the humor loop. Funny, I always figured Brahman had a good sense of humor. I mean look at that maya thing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip From these definitions it looks pretty clear that somebody is indeed going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized -- by Nobody :-) Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different than many people's here. I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about you? :-) No idea... So you and Rory are in synch. :) I am thinking perhaps not exactly, unless by interpretation of witnessing he means witnessing is irrelevant :-) It was a broader joke: broadly speaking -- you both have no idea -- was the joke. Was my purpose in posting the words in the first place. I know. I got your joke. I was following up on it. It seems Rory is the only one outside the humor loop. Funny, I always figured Brahman had a good sense of humor. I mean look at that maya thing. Maya's an amazing program: http://www.alias.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know. I got your joke. I was following up on it. It seems Rory is the only one outside the humor loop. I did see the obvious surface implications of no idea; I was just trying to go a little deeper into Sparaig's statement about how he interpreted witnessing differently from others here -- to no avail, obviously :-) Funny, I always figured Brahman had a good sense of humor. Now THAT is funny! :-) I mean look at that maya thing. Yeah, you'll die laughing :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know. I got your joke. I was following up on it. It seems Rory is the only one outside the humor loop. Funny, I always figured Brahman had a good sense of humor. I mean look at that maya thing. Your Wholeness apparently doesn't allow anger and humorlessness -- does that perhaps make anger and humorlessness more powerful than Wholeness, capable of overshadowing Wholeness? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Don't be misled by the fact that some of the TM research reference lists give the source of many studies as the Collected Papers. If you check, you'll find those are reprints of studies that were originally published elsewhere, in independent journals. And again, the most recent volume of the Collected Papers was published a decade and a half ago. No TM research since then, except for *maybe* a paper or two in Modern Science and Vedic Science, has been published in a TMO publication. Oh OK, I assumed Collected Papers was used when there wasn't a better reference. But remember, even if every single last study had only been published in the Collected Papers (which is not the case), you'd still have 15 years of research published *after* the last volume of the Collected Papers. I'll try to find the website again too as I think we're talking about a different universe of studies - many of the studies I saw listed, esp M-effect ones, weren't really published at all but were simply doctoral theses done by mum students or presentations given at various conferences. Yes, there are a number of those in the universe of studies I'm talking about. You said you thought *80 percent* of the studies were published in TMO publications or were never actually published, but that simply can't be the case. Maybe my estimate of 10 percent is a bit low, but it's nowhere near 80 percent. When Hagelin talks about there being 80 something different studies proving the M-effect, he's including the studies in the list I saw. Obviously studies of the ME are the least likely of all the TM studies to find publication in independent journals, so that's where you're most likely to find studies on the research lists that are just dissertations or conference proceedings. Several, however, *have* been published in peer- reviewed journals. Those few outweigh all the others. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Oh OK, I assumed Collected Papers was used when there wasn't a better reference. But remember, even if every single last study had only been published in the Collected Papers (which is not the case), you'd still have 15 years of research published *after* the last volume of the Collected Papers. Just as a P.S., I am *not* maintaining that every last TM study is 100 percent valid. I have problems with quite a few of them, and I have a lot of problems with how they're used by the TMO. What I'm interested in is an *accurate* view of the studies. Your initial claim, that most of them were published in TMO journals, was simply not accurate. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi has been emphasizing three requirements for rapid growth to higher states of consciousness: group practice of the Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi programs, Vastu, and eating organic food, says Harry Bright, Golden Dome Market and Café director. Comments? Jai Guru Dev Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
Isn't this the same as the list of top three money makers for the TMO? That's the honest answer: --bring in more cows --get them to buy designer sheds --feed them our brand of designer feed (and milk them while you got their attention) If they start eating other food, facing south or mooing someone elses mantra, take them out and shoot them. Jai Guru Bev'! Or at least shun them. Even if you've been friends for someone for 30 years, if that person no longer toes the movement line, their friends are gone... It's so sad. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2005, at 7:14 AM, anonymousff wrote: Maharishi has been emphasizing three requirements for rapid growth to higher states of consciousness: group practice of the Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi programs, Vastu, and eating organic food, says Harry Bright, Golden Dome Market and Café director. Comments? Isn't this the same as the list of top three money makers for the TMO? That's the honest answer: Or, they're the three money makers the TMO is pushing because MMY thinks they're the most important requirements for rapid growth of higher states of consciousness. --bring in more cows --get them to buy designer sheds --feed them our brand of designer feed (and milk them while you got their attention) If they start eating other food, facing south or mooing someone elses mantra, take them out and shoot them. Jai Guru Bev'! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Oct 20, 2005, at 8:57 AM, authfriend wrote: Or, they're the three money makers the TMO is pushing because MMY thinks they're the most important requirements for rapid growth of higher states of consciousness. So will you be moving into an east-west aligned apartment? I doubt he believes that--it's just more greed. No tradition of actual enlightenment that I am aware of requires special buildings. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2005, at 8:57 AM, authfriend wrote: Or, they're the three money makers the TMO is pushing because MMY thinks they're the most important requirements for rapid growth of higher states of consciousness. So will you be moving into an east-west aligned apartment? I doubt he believes that--it's just more greed. No tradition of actual enlightenment that I am aware of requires special buildings. Where the hell does MMY get this stuff from? I agree with you, there is absolutely no spiritual tradition in recorded history that links habitat shape and orientation with enlightenment. It's really goofball stuff. Enlightment contingent upon the shape and orientation of ones house! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2005, at 7:14 AM, anonymousff wrote: Maharishi has been emphasizing three requirements for rapid growth to higher states of consciousness: group practice of the Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi programs, Vastu, and eating organic food, says Harry Bright, Golden Dome Market and Café director. Comments? Isn't this the same as the list of top three money makers for the TMO? That's the honest answer: --bring in more cows --get them to buy designer sheds --feed them our brand of designer feed (and milk them while you got their attention) If they start eating other food, facing south or mooing someone elses mantra, take them out and shoot them. Jai Guru Bev'! The road to enlightenment: (1) do TM (2) avoid pesticides. (Can't get worked up about the east facing stuff) Prety sound advice, I would say. Do you work for for the agro-chem industry, Vaj? Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2005, at 8:57 AM, authfriend wrote: Or, they're the three money makers the TMO is pushing because MMY thinks they're the most important requirements for rapid growth of higher states of consciousness. So will you be moving into an east-west aligned apartment? Did I say *I* thought they were the most important requirements etc.? I don't think I did. I doubt he believes that--it's just more greed. You're certainly entitled to your opinion. I'm just pointing out that the correspondences have more than one possible explanation. No tradition of actual enlightenment that I am aware of requires special buildings. You are *so* hung up on established tradition. You make the assumptions that established tradition encompasses everything of any value enlightenment- wise, and that it simply isn't possible that anyone could (a) discover something new or (b) revive something that has been forgotten or misunderstood. If it ain't in the book, it doesn't exist, as far as you're concerned. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2005, at 8:57 AM, authfriend wrote: Or, they're the three money makers the TMO is pushing because MMY thinks they're the most important requirements for rapid growth of higher states of consciousness. So will you be moving into an east-west aligned apartment? I doubt he believes that--it's just more greed. No tradition of actual enlightenment that I am aware of requires special buildings. Exactly. Has there been anyone who has become enlightened by moving into a SV building or eating organic? Give me a break! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi has been emphasizing three requirements for rapid growth to higher states of consciousness: group practice of the Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi programs, Vastu, and eating organic food, says Harry Bright, Golden Dome Market and Café director. Comments? This seems like good advice if you're into it. Intention seems to be an equally powerful requirement. Nonetheless, I was just thinking last night about how the only house to catch fire in our neighborhood in the last five years had an eastern facing entrance... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2005, at 8:57 AM, authfriend wrote: Or, they're the three money makers the TMO is pushing because MMY thinks they're the most important requirements for rapid growth of higher states of consciousness. So will you be moving into an east-west aligned apartment? I doubt he believes that--it's just more greed. No tradition of actual enlightenment that I am aware of requires special buildings. Where the hell does MMY get this stuff from? I agree with you, there is absolutely no spiritual tradition in recorded history that links habitat shape and orientation with enlightenment. It's really goofball stuff. Enlightment contingent upon the shape and orientation of ones house! Feng Shui? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Oct 20, 2005, at 10:09 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2005, at 8:57 AM, authfriend wrote: Or, they're the three money makers the TMO is pushing because MMY thinks they're the most important requirements for rapid growth of higher states of consciousness. So will you be moving into an east-west aligned apartment? I doubt he believes that--it's just more greed. No tradition of actual enlightenment that I am aware of requires special buildings. Where the hell does MMY get this stuff from? I agree with you, there is absolutely no spiritual tradition in recorded history that links habitat shape and orientation with enlightenment. It's really goofball stuff. Enlightment contingent upon the shape and orientation of ones house! Feng Shui? Nope, not a requirement for enlightenment--in fact Feng Shui will allow you to apply remedies to your existing home/land--not be required to buy a house from your guru or his contractors. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2005, at 10:09 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2005, at 8:57 AM, authfriend wrote: snip Or, they're the three money makers the TMO is pushing because MMY thinks they're the most important requirements for rapid growth of higher states of consciousness. So will you be moving into an east-west aligned apartment? I doubt he believes that--it's just more greed. No tradition of actual enlightenment that I am aware of requires special buildings. Where the hell does MMY get this stuff from? I agree with you, there is absolutely no spiritual tradition in recorded history that links habitat shape and orientation with enlightenment. It's really goofball stuff. Enlightment contingent upon the shape and orientation of ones house! Feng Shui? Nope, not a requirement for enlightenment--in fact Feng Shui will allow you to apply remedies to your existing home/land--not be required to buy a house from your guru or his contractors. Feng Shui certainly links habitat shape and orientation with enlightenment, the comment I was responding to. For example, from one Web site: To observe the science and art of Feng Shui means to put oneself and one's physical placements into the 'right placement' in space and time in order to receive the beneficial flow of energy from the universe. At a more subtle level this means that if you are placing yourself into a situation whereby you can receive the beneficial flow of the universe then it means you are placing yourself into a position to receive the opportunity. When we are truly aligned with our Feng Shui we are aligned on all levels of our being. This means, physically, emotionally, socially, intellectually and spiritually aligned to the highest or best potential within our lives. http://www.fengshui.com.au/html_about/about_destiny.htm As to building a new house versus adapting an existing dwelling, you can do either with both Sthapatya Veda and Feng Shui; but in both cases better results are said to be obtained if you start from scratch. And note that the language used was requirements for RAPID growth of higher states of consciousness (emphasis added). It's not that you can't become enlightened without proper Vastu, but that proper Vastu *facilitates* enlightenment. Same with Feng Shui (or so they say). The idea of being in harmony with the environment through external as well as internal means is by no means unique to MMY, and there's usually a spiritual component to it, or at least there was originally. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2005, at 7:14 AM, anonymousff wrote: Maharishi has been emphasizing three requirements for rapid growth to higher states of consciousness: group practice of the Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi programs, Vastu, and eating organic food, says Harry Bright, Golden Dome Market and Café director. Comments? Isn't this the same as the list of top three money makers for the TMO? That's the honest answer: Group practice of TM and TM-Sidhis is the top money-maker for the TMO? --bring in more cows --get them to buy designer sheds --feed them our brand of designer feed (and milk them while you got their attention) If they start eating other food, facing south or mooing someone elses mantra, take them out and shoot them. Jai Guru Bev'! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi has been emphasizing three requirements for rapid growth to higher states of consciousness: group practice of the Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi programs, Vastu, and eating organic food, says Harry Bright, Golden Dome Market and Café director. Comments? Insomuch as they have any effect, makes sense. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2005, at 8:57 AM, authfriend wrote: Or, they're the three money makers the TMO is pushing because MMY thinks they're the most important requirements for rapid growth of higher states of consciousness. So will you be moving into an east-west aligned apartment? I doubt he believes that--it's just more greed. No tradition of actual enlightenment that I am aware of requires special buildings. Nor has MMY said it does. He HAS said something about permanent world peace requiring special buildings... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2005, at 8:57 AM, authfriend wrote: Or, they're the three money makers the TMO is pushing because MMY thinks they're the most important requirements for rapid growth of higher states of consciousness. So will you be moving into an east-west aligned apartment? I doubt he believes that--it's just more greed. No tradition of actual enlightenment that I am aware of requires special buildings. Where the hell does MMY get this stuff from? I agree with you, there is absolutely no spiritual tradition in recorded history that links habitat shape and orientation with enlightenment. It's really goofball stuff. Enlightment contingent upon the shape and orientation of ones house! And where does he say its a requirement for gaining enlightenment? He said it was a for more rapid growth, did he not? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2005, at 8:57 AM, authfriend wrote: Or, they're the three money makers the TMO is pushing because MMY thinks they're the most important requirements for rapid growth of higher states of consciousness. So will you be moving into an east-west aligned apartment? I doubt he believes that--it's just more greed. No tradition of actual enlightenment that I am aware of requires special buildings. Exactly. Has there been anyone who has become enlightened by moving into a SV building or eating organic? Give me a break! Has MMY said that there was. I can see why you guys get upset about everything MMY says: you constantly misread/mishear it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2005, at 8:57 AM, authfriend wrote: Or, they're the three money makers the TMO is pushing because MMY thinks they're the most important requirements for rapid growth of higher states of consciousness. So will you be moving into an east-west aligned apartment? I doubt he believes that--it's just more greed. No tradition of actual enlightenment that I am aware of requires special buildings. Nor has MMY said it does. He HAS said something about permanent world peace requiring special buildings... Kind of pushes out the timeline for 'permanent world peace', huh? YEah, and gives the TMO a rather long-term goal. Organizations need long-term goals in order to survive. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2005, at 8:57 AM, authfriend wrote: Or, they're the three money makers the TMO is pushing because MMY thinks they're the most important requirements for rapid growth of higher states of consciousness. So will you be moving into an east-west aligned apartment? I doubt he believes that--it's just more greed. No tradition of actual enlightenment that I am aware of requires special buildings. Where the hell does MMY get this stuff from? I agree with you, there is absolutely no spiritual tradition in recorded history that links habitat shape and orientation with enlightenment. It's really goofball stuff. Enlightment contingent upon the shape and orientation of ones house! And where does he say its a requirement for gaining enlightenment? He said it was a for more rapid growth, did he not? I asked him the same last week. Still waiting for an answer. But I am SURE he has a good cite, otherwise he would not continue to state such . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2005, at 8:57 AM, authfriend wrote: Or, they're the three money makers the TMO is pushing because MMY thinks they're the most important requirements for rapid growth of higher states of consciousness. So will you be moving into an east-west aligned apartment? I doubt he believes that--it's just more greed. No tradition of actual enlightenment that I am aware of requires special buildings. Nor has MMY said it does. He HAS said something about permanent world peace requiring special buildings... Kind of pushes out the timeline for 'permanent world peace', huh? Whats your hurry? Not satisfied with the present? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And where does he say its a requirement for gaining enlightenment? He said it was a for more rapid growth, did he not? The article said rapid growth to higher states of consciousness. Okay then. So are you saying that higher states of consciousness have nothing to do with enlightenment? What's the relationship between higher states of consciouness and enlightenment? I really need to know! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- bluecabbagerose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And where does he say its a requirement for gaining enlightenment? He said it was a for more rapid growth, did he not? The article said rapid growth to higher states of consciousness. Okay then. So are you saying that higher states of consciousness have nothing to do with enlightenment? What's the relationship between higher states of consciouness and enlightenment? I really need to know! Sam Ding Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2005, at 8:57 AM, authfriend wrote: Or, they're the three money makers the TMO is pushing because MMY thinks they're the most important requirements for rapid growth of higher states of consciousness. So will you be moving into an east-west aligned apartment? I doubt he believes that--it's just more greed. No tradition of actual enlightenment that I am aware of requires special buildings. Exactly. Has there been anyone who has become enlightened by moving into a SV building or eating organic? Give me a break! Has MMY said that there was. I can see why you guys get upset about everything MMY says: you constantly misread/mishear it. No, the problem is that we do hear very clearly...oh the maddness, THE MADDNESS! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bluecabbagerose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And where does he say its a requirement for gaining enlightenment? He said it was a for more rapid growth, did he not? The article said rapid growth to higher states of consciousness. Okay then. So are you saying that higher states of consciousness have nothing to do with enlightenment? What's the relationship between higher states of consciouness and enlightenment? I really need to know! Um, the article? It was a quote from Harry Bright, Golden Dome Market and Café director. While I am sure Harry is a bright guy, I was looking, as I assume spraig was, some actual quotes from MMY. He may have said sv is required for enlightenment, but I don't recall it. It seems to me he talks about lessening negative influences. TBs can add all sorts of stuff to all sorts of things. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly. Has there been anyone who has become enlightened by moving into a SV building or eating organic? Give me a break! Has MMY said that there was. I can see why you guys get upset about everything MMY says: you constantly misread/mishear it. No, the problem is that we do hear very clearly...oh the maddness, THE MADDNESS! Great. Can you please share these very clear quotes where MMYs (not his TBs) says SV is necessary for enlightenment? He may have said sv is required for enlightenment, but I don't recall it. It seems to me he talks about lessening negative influences. TBs can add all sorts of stuff to all sorts of things. Direct quotes please? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly. Has there been anyone who has become enlightened by moving into a SV building or eating organic? Give me a break! Has MMY said that there was. I can see why you guys get upset about everything MMY says: you constantly misread/mishear it. No, the problem is that we do hear very clearly...oh the maddness, THE MADDNESS! Great. Can you please share these very clear quotes where MMYs (not his TBs) says SV is necessary for enlightenment? He may have said sv is required for enlightenment, but I don't recall it. It seems to me he talks about lessening negative influences. TBs can add all sorts of stuff to all sorts of things. Direct quotes please? Hmmm...I think you're right. SV to lessen neg influences, not the big E. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2005, at 8:57 AM, authfriend wrote: Or, they're the three money makers the TMO is pushing because MMY thinks they're the most important requirements for rapid growth of higher states of consciousness. So will you be moving into an east-west aligned apartment? I doubt he believes that--it's just more greed. No tradition of actual enlightenment that I am aware of requires special buildings. Nor has MMY said it does. He HAS said something about permanent world peace requiring special buildings... Kind of pushes out the timeline for 'permanent world peace', huh? Whats your hurry? Not satisfied with the present? Yep, that's the thought I was trying to precipitate also... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bluecabbagerose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And where does he say its a requirement for gaining enlightenment? He said it was a for more rapid growth, did he not? The article said rapid growth to higher states of consciousness. Okay then. So are you saying that higher states of consciousness have nothing to do with enlightenment? What's the relationship between higher states of consciouness and enlightenment? I really need to know! Enlightenment is the living experience of being fully present; creating and recreating our reality, moment by moment, and taking full responsibility for it. A pragmatic definition for 'higher states of consciousness' are those states of consciousness that move us towards enlightenment. So, we can have experiences of 'higher states of consciousness' and remain unenlightened. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
On Oct 20, 2005, at 1:04 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2005, at 10:09 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2005, at 8:57 AM, authfriend wrote: snip Or, they're the three money makers the TMO is pushing because MMY thinks they're the most important requirements for rapid growth of higher states of consciousness. So will you be moving into an east-west aligned apartment? I doubt he believes that--it's just more greed. No tradition of actual enlightenment that I am aware of requires special buildings. Where the hell does MMY get this stuff from? I agree with you, there is absolutely no spiritual tradition in recorded history that links habitat shape and orientation with enlightenment. It's really goofball stuff. Enlightment contingent upon the shape and orientation of ones house! Feng Shui? Nope, not a requirement for enlightenment--in fact Feng Shui will allow you to apply remedies to your existing home/land--not be required to buy a house from your guru or his contractors. Feng Shui certainly links habitat shape and orientation with enlightenment, the comment I was responding to. For example, from one Web site: To observe the science and art of Feng Shui means to put oneself and one's physical placements into the 'right placement' in space and time in order to receive the beneficial flow of energy from the universe. At a more subtle level this means that if you are placing yourself into a situation whereby you can receive the beneficial flow of the universe then it means you are placing yourself into a position to receive the opportunity. When we are truly aligned with our Feng Shui we are aligned on all levels of our being. This means, physically, emotionally, socially, intellectually and spiritually aligned to the highest or best potential within our lives. http://www.fengshui.com.au/html_about/about_destiny.htm As to building a new house versus adapting an existing dwelling, you can do either with both Sthapatya Veda and Feng Shui; but in both cases better results are said to be obtained if you start from scratch. And note that the language used was requirements for RAPID growth of higher states of consciousness (emphasis added). It's not that you can't become enlightened without proper Vastu, but that proper Vastu *facilitates* enlightenment. Same with Feng Shui (or so they say). The idea of being in harmony with the environment through external as well as internal means is by no means unique to MMY, and there's usually a spiritual component to it, or at least there was originally. I was fortunate, the house I bought was already aligned to true north. Nonetheless we've done some geomantic alignments and the appropriate rituals for the place. And that's all I need. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bluecabbagerose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And where does he say its a requirement for gaining enlightenment? He said it was a for more rapid growth, did he not? The article said rapid growth to higher states of consciousness. That's as opposed to not-so-rapid growth to higher states of consciousness. Okay then. So are you saying that higher states of consciousness have nothing to do with enlightenment? What's the relationship between higher states of consciouness and enlightenment? I really need to know! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bluecabbagerose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And where does he say its a requirement for gaining enlightenment? He said it was a for more rapid growth, did he not? The article said rapid growth to higher states of consciousness. Okay then. So are you saying that higher states of consciousness have nothing to do with enlightenment? What's the relationship between higher states of consciouness and enlightenment? I really need to know! Um, the article? It was a quote from Harry Bright, Golden Dome Market and Café director. While I am sure Harry is a bright guy, I was looking, as I assume spraig was, some actual quotes from MMY. He may have said sv is required for enlightenment, but I don't recall it. It seems to me he talks about lessening negative influences. TBs can add all sorts of stuff to all sorts of things. And to state that something assists higher states is quite different from saying the item is a requirement for enlightenment -- which is the (erroneous, IMO) twist Peter attributed to MMY. Asanas assist in culturing higher states. As does an AV balanced diet. As does keeping regular hours. Are any of these things rquired for enlightenment? No, of course not. Why do you use the same logic with SV? Much more powerful than someone telling us what to do to reach enlightenment, following our heart and intuition will speed the way much, much faster! Hint: some of the activities may even be frowned on by the TMO. Shhh, don't tell 'em I told you... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bluecabbagerose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And where does he say its a requirement for gaining enlightenment? He said it was a for more rapid growth, did he not? The article said rapid growth to higher states of consciousness. That's as opposed to not-so-rapid growth to higher states of consciousness. Might also be opposed to lightning fast growth to higher states of consciousness... Okay then. So are you saying that higher states of consciousness have nothing to do with enlightenment? What's the relationship between higher states of consciouness and enlightenment? I really need to know! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
