[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-21 Thread L B Shriver
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: major snip > > Many decades of conditioning have to be overcome in order to see > this. It is a painful > > process. Not everyone

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread braaahmaan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Again, I must politely disagree. The "press" rarely touches upon the inner dynamics of > history or current events, and has in fact been skillfully manipulated to preserve the myth > of Noble America. It takes time t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread L B Shriver
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ultrarishi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "s

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks for the input, Bobananda. Although I don't agree with the specifics of yugas, etc, I > accept the principle that these are dark times. However, I don't have a clue what can be > expected—or not. > > L B

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 20, 2005, at 11:20 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > "Immanent?" > > > > Please clarify what you mean by calling it "immanent." > > Try "imminent". As in "about to happen." > > ? > OK, that's easy. There's cash handy, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ultrarishi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread L B Shriver
Thanks for the input, Bobananda. Although I don't agree with the specifics of yugas, etc, I accept the principle that these are dark times. However, I don't have a clue what can be expected—or not. L B S --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In Fai

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" > > [...] > > Now it is > > > difficult to find the faintest shred of evidenc

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread L B Shriver
Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Valid observations, but there are a number of emerging factors that > provide a counter force, or a new direction.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread braaahmaan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Valid observations, but there are a number of emerging factors that provide a counter force, or a new direction. > With respect to the "media myth", I think you have it exactly backwards. USA as the bastion > of fr

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread L B Shriver
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 20, 2005, at 1:12 PM, L B Shriver wrote: > > > More blatant recent developments regarding fraudulent elections and > > the subversions of > > our civil liberties are merely the more recent and obvious > > indica

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread Vaj
On Dec 20, 2005, at 1:12 PM, L B Shriver wrote:More blatant recent developments regarding fraudulent elections and the subversions of  our civil liberties are merely the more recent and obvious indicators of corporate fascism. Even that idea's been around a long time:"The liberty of a democracy i

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread Rick Archer
on 12/20/05 12:01 PM, L B Shriver at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Thanks- The really interesting thing I see too are the kids I know >> these days. Very grounded and centered for the most part, as if >> someone saw this coming and prepared for it... > > > > I don't get around much these

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread L B Shriver
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ultrarishi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B S

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread L B Shriver
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > huge snip > > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ultrarishi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" > > [...] > > Now it is > > > difficult to find the faintest shred of evidence tha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > huge snip > > > > > So, on the one hand, in answer to our deepest collective desire, we > > have created a regional, natio

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread L B Shriver
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: huge snip > > So, on the one hand, in answer to our deepest collective desire, we > have created a regional, national and global reality that changes > nearly instantly, reflecting our momentary fulfillments. On t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread Vaj
On Dec 20, 2005, at 11:20 AM, sparaig wrote:"Immanent?" Please clarify what you mean by calling it "immanent." Try "imminent". As in "about to happen."? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have reached a similar conclusion myself. This is how I have conceptualized it: > > Most of us Movement "lifers" (NOT to be confused with Fairfield Lifers, although there is > significant overlap between sets

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread braaahmaan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" > [...] > Now it is > > difficult to find the faintest shred of evidence that the world is > being "saved". So the Dream > > is Over, and the disappointment for man

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" > > [...] > > Now it is > > > difficult to find the faintest shred of evidenc

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread L B Shriver
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" > [...] > Now it is > > difficult to find the faintest shred of evidence that the world is > being "saved". So the Dream > > is Over, and the disappointment for man

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ultrarishi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" > > [...] > > Now it is > > > difficult to find the faintest shred of evidence t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread ultrarishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" > [...] > Now it is > > difficult to find the faintest shred of evidence that the world is > being "saved". So the Dream > > is Over, and the disappointment for man

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" [...] Now it is > difficult to find the faintest shred of evidence that the world is being "saved". So the Dream > is Over, and the disappointment for many is huge and painful. I must be truely insane. I find the New and Improved TMO to be a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread Peter
--- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- L B Shriver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A few weeks ago, Tom Pall genuinely apologized > for > > > one of his posts to Dr Pete, > > > sp

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread Vaj
On Dec 20, 2005, at 12:46 AM, braaahmaan wrote:Those proclaiming great advaida-speak in one post, then totally contradicting it in the next post, is questionable.  Yes, but Brahman is inclusive of opposite doncha know! :-/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http:/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-20 Thread Tom Pall
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- L B Shriver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > A few weeks ago, Tom Pall genuinely apologized for > > one of his posts to Dr Pete, > > spontaneously and almost immediately after sending > > it. > > You kn

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-19 Thread braaahmaan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > on 12/19/05 10:36 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > They can't really *admit* the lack of progress, > > > be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-19 Thread braaahmaan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- L B Shriver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > A few weeks ago, Tom Pall genuinely apologized for > > one of his posts to Dr Pete, > > spontaneously and almost immediately after sending > > it. > > You kn

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-19 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/19/05 10:36 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > They can't really *admit* the lack of progress, > > because that would be "off the program" and would make it > > sound like they were doubting the al

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-19 Thread Peter
--- L B Shriver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A few weeks ago, Tom Pall genuinely apologized for > one of his posts to Dr Pete, > spontaneously and almost immediately after sending > it. You know, I didn't catch that post and I'm sorry I didn't see it. I also should apologize for Tom for

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-19 Thread L B Shriver
I have reached a similar conclusion myself. This is how I have conceptualized it: Most of us Movement "lifers" (NOT to be confused with Fairfield Lifers, although there is significant overlap between sets; "lifer" is used here as it's used elsewhere, in cases where one joins up—or is committ

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-19 Thread Peter
--- Alex Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > On the other hand, the process of gaining > enlightenment is not mumbo > > jumbo, and particularly the majority of the > members here, who have > > been med

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-19 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/19/05 10:36 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > They can't really *admit* the lack of progress, > > because that would be "off the program" and would make it > > sound like they were doubting the a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-19 Thread braaahmaan
A point regarding this issue of one or more persons perceiving other posters as angry, and abusive -- suddenly "clicked" for me this afternoon. I had known that it reminded me of something, but I had not been able to figure out *what* is so intriguing. The premeise appears to be that content of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-19 Thread braaahmaan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > This issue of one or more persons (sometimes the > > majority of active posters) perceiving one partic- > > ular poster as consis

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-19 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On the other hand, the process of gaining enlightenment is not mumbo > jumbo, and particularly the majority of the members here, who have > been meditating in this life for decades, the physiology is > conditione

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This issue of one or more persons (sometimes the > majority of active posters) perceiving one partic- > ular poster as consistently angry, and abusive > because of that anger, suddenly "clicked" for me > this afternoo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-19 Thread braaahmaan
Barry provides some thoughtful and thought provoking observations and hypotheses. While I open to the validity of such, it makes me wonder if other dynamics and explanations may also be possible. Ochams Razor would dictate looking for the simplest explanation. If 90% of people polled, or observed

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang

2005-12-19 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This issue of one or more persons (sometimes the > majority of active posters) perceiving one partic- > ular poster as consistently angry, and abusive > because of that anger, suddenly "clicked" for me > this afternoo