Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****

[Belinda]

Seeing how money is the number one priority there (in my opinion), I agree.


Those moderators didn't want to lose any potential funding, in my opinion.


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[Fwd: Need a Home (or foster) for a snap-tested Feleuk Kitty FAST!]

[Tad Burnett]

Anybody in the Nashville or Tennessee area ?
please *call* me at 615-662-2386

 Original Message 









Hi All,

I know this is a major shot in the dark, but here goes:  I was contacted 
by a woman who took a friendly stray female kitten to the vet, after the 
cat sustained a leg injury.  The combo test showed Feleuk positive.  
This is a (reportedly) sweet short-hair gray tabby, with golden eyes.  
They are estimating the cat, named Cupcake, is about six months old.  
She is not spayed, and has not gone into heat yet.  The woman feels 
unable to take the cat into her own home, as she has other kitties, even 
though they have been vaccinated for feleuk.  She has paid for the leg 
injury to be sutured and cared for, and for the week-long boarding at 
the vet's office.  Cupcake is at Danny King's Bellevue Animal Hospital.  
The woman can't afford to keep paying for boarding, and plans to have 
the cat euthanized on Tuesday, after she  takes her daughter over to say 
good-bye to the cat.  So we're looking at sometime around 3:00pm or so.  
If anyone has any leads,or is able to take this little girl, please 
*call* me at 615-662-2386 ASAP.  Leave a message if  I don't answer.  
The woman has already called all the Bellevue-area animal hospitals, and 
looked on PetFinder.com for rescues that are listing Feleuk cats in the 
area--there are none.  I did suggest that she call Chris at the Cat 
Shoppe tomorrow, in case Chris knows of anyone who might take the 
kitty.  Any suggestions or offers of help will be  greatly appreciated!


Thanks, Katherine

PS.  Those of you who are outside of Nashville or Tennessee (Hi, Tad!) 
are being contacted on the off-chance that you may know someone from the 
'Net in this area who might be able to help. 

Re: Update on Kisa

[Belinda]

   Cassandra,

I'm glad Kisa is at the vets and I'm praying as hard as I can that she 
will have the strength needed to recover.  Have you got copies of her 
blood work?  I'd be interested in seeing them.  Anemia can cause many of 
the symptoms she has had, lethargy, not wanting to eating and an 
enlarged liver, just to name three off the top of my head.


Your love will get her though, think only positive and talk to her with 
your heart, she can hear you even when your not there with her.


*PS. * She may not have had fatty liver initially but not eating for 
just two days can bring it on for some cats.  Not saying she did get it 
after not eating for 2 days but it is possible and I have seen it happen 
many times.  Too many vets are not up to day with the latest on Fatty 
Liver and still mistakenly think only fat cats or not eating for long 
periods is the only way to get it and many cats die as a result.  Fatty 
Liver enlarges the liver too, it isn't just cancer that does that.  This 
is not only an overweight kitty problem as I said already, almost ALL of 
the cats I know that have had this were/are not overweight, including my 
Buddie, that is old out-dated info.


 
The vet says it likely isn't fatty liver, since she wasn't overweight, 
and didn't stop eating til she got sick, but I guess he can't know for 
sure without the biopsy.


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Re: Please add Scamper to the CLS list

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Dear Scamper will still be sleeping with you.  My dad could always  
feel his cat Sam on his bed at night after Sam passed away.


"Conscience is Causal
 and Physicality is its
 Manifest."


On May 28, 2007, at 10:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Please add our cat Scamper of 18 years to the CLS list. He lost his  
fight with cancer and CRF, he died in my arms. He will go to the  
rainbow bridge to reunite with his sibling Eli who passed last year  
of complications form FIV. His memory will be kept alive, so in  
part he will be be still alive.


He will be cremated, and then when my wife passes his ashes will  
join hers.


He was the kitten that did not stay down stairs in the box we made  
for him. He jumped/climbed up the stairs to our bedroom, jump/ 
climbed up the comforter on our water bed to sleep with us.


Whitey Elric Bone, Regis, Luceria, Geo, Saiko, Stumpy, Marely, Eli,  
Cuddles, Butch, Romeo, Dartanion, Satan, Ni**er, Sasquash, Little  
Tux, Big Tux, and the too many others, help him at that place of  
rest, help him to enjoy being healthy and young again.


Sam and Marcia

Re: Cassandra: Re: Hemobart

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Pam, what a great story!

An animal communicator told me that Mamie and I were sisters  
somewhere along there.  I sing to my kitties, too.  Mamie's song was  
"Mamie Muffin."  The 3 Orange Boyz have a song called "Boogers  
Everywhere" because as orange cats with pink noses and ears you can  
really spot the sleep in their eyes and the little tiny boogers in  
their noses.  And I sing "This Little Piggy" to Teddy Pooma  
Monkeytail.  I turn them upside down in my arms and they lie there  
like the little babies they are and listen, listen, listen.


I've always felt that one of the joys of cats is that you can always  
talk babytalk to them!




"Conscience is Causal
 and Physicality is its
 Manifest."


On May 28, 2007, at 10:44 PM, Pam Norman wrote:

You can find more about hemobart on the feline anemia list.  A  
number of people over there have dealt with it. I just know that  
doxycycline saved Gus's life after he spent a week in the ICU at  
the U of WI vet hospital in Madison. It was pretty awful because  
his brother had died there only a month before of a total metabolic  
breakdown caused initially by acute pancreatitis. I was so afraid I  
was going to lose Gus too. I went in every day to see him - I'm  
about an hour away. I'd hold him & talk to h im & sing to him ("You  
Are My Sunshine" over & over & over again).  I always wore blue  
because it's the color of healing, the same sweater every day!
He's still with me. Still my "boyfriend" kitty (an animal  
communicator said he wanted to be my boyfriend!).




Pam

wendy wrote:

Hey Cassandra,

I was reading up on hemobartanellosis right now, and
it says that it can cause jaundice, which is related
to the liver, I believe.  Maybe that's what's causing
the liver issues?!  I sure hope so.  Thank goodness
they found the hemobart, because it is VERY hard to
diagnose.  Half the time, they can't see the little
buggers on the slide under a microscope.  If she pulls
through this, we need to make a note for later in case
we see this again.
Praying that her liver issues are related to the
hemobart...

:)
Wendy

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can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever  
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Re: Please add Scamper to the CLS list

[Kelly L]

At 08:47 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


I am so sorry for your loss of Scamper. No matter how old they are it 
still hurts  so  much. When I pass I am going to have so many ashes 
mixed mine and then the potting soil and then plant trees with all of 
us for the bird to hang out inand keep all the kitty spirits entertained.

All me very good thoughts to you at this sad time.
Kelly


Please add our cat Scamper of 18 years to the CLS list. He lost his 
fight with cancer and CRF, he died in my arms. He will go to the 
rainbow bridge to reunite with his sibling Eli who passed last year 
of complications form FIV. His memory will be kept alive, so in part 
he will be be still alive.


He will be cremated, and then when my wife passes his ashes will join hers.

He was the kitten that did not stay down stairs in the box we made 
for him. He jumped/climbed up the stairs to our bedroom, 
jump/climbed up the comforter on our water bed to sleep with us.


Whitey Elric Bone, Regis, Luceria, Geo, Saiko, Stumpy, Marely, Eli, 
Cuddles, Butch, Romeo, Dartanion, Satan, Ni**er, Sasquash, Little 
Tux, Big Tux, and the too many others, help him at that place of 
rest, help him to enjoy being healthy and young again.


Sam and Marcia



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Re: Please add Scamper to the CLS list

[Pam Norman]

Sam, may his road be lit by the radiance of the love that you obviously 
have for him.  He & the others will be there when you cross that 
bridge.  Sylvia Browne says that when we cross, that friends & relatives 
must stand back & wait while the animals greet us. They are first.  As 
they should be.


Pam

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please add our cat Scamper of 18 years to the CLS list. He lost his 
fight with cancer and CRF, he died in my arms. He will go to the 
rainbow bridge to reunite with his sibling Eli who passed last year of 
complications form FIV. His memory will be kept alive, so in part he 
will be be still alive.


He will be cremated, and then when my wife passes his ashes will join 
hers.


He was the kitten that did not stay down stairs in the box we made for 
him. He jumped/climbed up the stairs to our bedroom, jump/climbed up 
the comforter on our water bed to sleep with us.


Whitey Elric Bone, Regis, Luceria, Geo, Saiko, Stumpy, Marely, Eli, 
Cuddles, Butch, Romeo, Dartanion, Satan, Ni**er, Sasquash, Little Tux, 
Big Tux, and the too many others, help him at that place of rest, help 
him to enjoy being healthy and young again.


Sam and Marcia

Re: new diagnosis

[wendy]

Jane, 

You are so right about the overwhelming amount of FeLV
info. on the Internet-some of it odd.  Take a deep
breath.  You will successfully wade through it all. 
Just give yourself time to ingest it all and cyphon
back out what you don't need.

:)
Wendy

--- Jane Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello everyone
> I just joined this group as I have just had two FeLV
> positive test results on my year old kitten.
> 
> I adopted her from a cat shelter two months ago
> with many health issues (upper respiratory, diarrhea
> giardia, stomatits). I was told that she was FeLV
> negative
> and figured I could deal with all of the above
> because they were
> not life threatening and once I got her out of the
> shelter 'colony'
> and to our vets, that she would get well. She
> didn't.
> 
> On Friday I took her to my homeopathic vet who
> insisted that
> she be tested "again" for FeLV, and the test came
> back positive
> and the second test result which I got on Saturday
> was also positive.
> 
> Needless to say I am devastated. Both of the vets
> that I use are being
> supportive and hopeful. When I adopted a positive
> kitten 20 years ago
> I was told that she had to be put down because she
> would infect my 
> other cat.
> This is not the case now. We have two Scotties and
> had recently lost a 
> 19 year old
> cat, and a 21 year old the year before.
> 
> This cat, MeMe, is an absolute love. My homeopath
> put her on a 
> probiotic that
> she is excited about "FortiFlora", and liquid DMG as
> well as help in 
> weaning her
> to Archetype food as she is addicted to Fancy Feast
> which my vet calls 
> 'kitty crack'.
> 
> I have been overwhelmed with the amount of
> information I am finding on 
> the Web.
> Some of it seems very optimistic, some, bordering on
> fantasy. I joined 
> this group hoping to
> share information with real people who are living
> and coping with this 
> disease. I keep
> re-reading the Home page on this site which states
> that Feline Leukemia 
> is not a death
> sentence. I would appreciate any information which
> could be helpful to 
> MeMe.
> 
> Thank you
> Jane
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: Please add Scamper to the CLS list

[wendy]

Sam,

I'm so sorry to hear about little Scamper.  Prayers
going out for comfort for you and your wife.

:)
Wendy

--- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Please add our cat Scamper of 18 years to the CLS
> list. He lost his 
> fight with cancer and CRF, he died in my arms. He
> will go to the rainbow 
> bridge to reunite with his sibling Eli who passed
> last year of 
> complications form FIV. His memory will be kept
> alive, so in part he 
> will be be still alive.
> 
> He will be cremated, and then when my wife passes
> his ashes will join hers.
> 
> He was the kitten that did not stay down stairs in
> the box we made for 
> him. He jumped/climbed up the stairs to our bedroom,
> jump/climbed up the 
> comforter on our water bed to sleep with us.
> 
> Whitey Elric Bone, Regis, Luceria, Geo, Saiko,
> Stumpy, Marely, Eli, 
> Cuddles, Butch, Romeo, Dartanion, Satan, Ni**er,
> Sasquash, Little Tux, 
> Big Tux, and the too many others, help him at that
> place of rest, help 
> him to enjoy being healthy and young again.
> 
> Sam and Marcia
> 
> 


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Please add Scamper to the CLS list

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Please add our cat Scamper of 18 years to the CLS list. He lost his 
fight with cancer and CRF, he died in my arms. He will go to the rainbow 
bridge to reunite with his sibling Eli who passed last year of 
complications form FIV. His memory will be kept alive, so in part he 
will be be still alive.


He will be cremated, and then when my wife passes his ashes will join hers.

He was the kitten that did not stay down stairs in the box we made for 
him. He jumped/climbed up the stairs to our bedroom, jump/climbed up the 
comforter on our water bed to sleep with us.


Whitey Elric Bone, Regis, Luceria, Geo, Saiko, Stumpy, Marely, Eli, 
Cuddles, Butch, Romeo, Dartanion, Satan, Ni**er, Sasquash, Little Tux, 
Big Tux, and the too many others, help him at that place of rest, help 
him to enjoy being healthy and young again.


Sam and Marcia

Re: A little more on the topic of pee

[Pam Norman]

Please do tell!!

Susan Hoffman wrote:
When I have a little more time, remind me to type up the Poop Fairy 
story.  (Subtitle:  How Spot trained my roommate to give her 
strawberry ice cream and bacon and to never, never again spray her 
with water to get her off his desk.)  They hold grnges, can plot 
against you, and are capable of brilliant strategic thought.


*/C & J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

Oh I know they do it on purpose.  One of my cats left a nice brown
present for me right on my pillow the day we took Tomi in.  She
never did that before or since.
 
Cassandra


- Original Message -
*From:* MaryChristine 
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

*Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2007 7:14 PM
*Subject:* Re: A little more on the topic of pee

i get such a kick out of the "experts" who say that cats don't
do this on purpose, or don't hold grudges. have they never
LIVED with them?? the little beasts know EXACTLY what
they're doing, i'm convinced of it! and, yes, are giggling
behind their paws as we discover their gifts and surprises!



On 5/28/07, *Susan Hoffman* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

Oh, we always close the door.  Same with the microwave. 
We close doors on toaster ovens and microwaves to protect

the food that we've hidden from the cats.
 
My mother was punished this morning for not getting up and

cleaning litterboxes quickly enough.  She awoke to the
smell of poop.  Two of her cats had managed to poop down a
heating vent.  At least she has until winter to take the
thing apart and clean it out.


*/Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>/* wrote:

At 04:31 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


I purchased a fireplace screen at a yard sale for Cat
House on the
Kings...I may be able to protect my space heater in the
fall..then again I may not
Kelly


>The toaster oven is NOT safe UNLESS you remember to
ALWAYS close the
>door! My Sunset became annoyed when I went out of town
overnight &
>she peed into the toaster oven. I didn't suspect a
thing until I
>tried to toast an English muffin. The stench was
horrible! So do
>NOT assume that toaster ovens are safe. Cats are VERY
creative.
>Remember what Fluffy did to my friends' winshield washers!
>
>Pam
>
>Susan Hoffman wrote:
>>And there was the time that Trixie got my roommate's
toaster
>>
>>It was late at night. I was lyinjg in bed reading,
pinned in place
>>by cats on either side. I smell what smells like a
skunk. So I
>>assume we have a skunk in the yard. Not the first
time. No big
>>deal. I think nothing of it.
>>
>>Next morning my roommate mentions the skunk to me.
And how he was
>>making toast at the time. And how he felt a little
ill after
>>eating the toastSlowly, it dawns on us. That was no
>>skunk. Trixie peed in the toaster. AND HE ATE IT! Is
that why
>>Trixie was giggling?
>>
>>Larry is convinced that Trixie did this on purpose.
She knows
>>mommy NEVER eats toast. He's probably right.
>>
>>The toaster has been replaced by a toaster over. But
I think I
>>caught Trixie reading the schematics. She's very clever.
>>
>>If Trixie offers you toast, decline.
>>
>>*/Nina /* wrote:
>>
>> Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee
entrenched dryer again.
>> Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister.
>> Nina
>>
>> Susan Hoffman wrote:
>> > This morning when I headed into the kitchen to
feed everyone, I
>> > removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from
the stivetop
>> -- I
>> > use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the
plates of canned
>> > catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside
down 

Re: Cassandra: Re: Hemobart

[Pam Norman]

You can find more about hemobart on the feline anemia list.  A number of 
people over there have dealt with it. I just know that doxycycline saved 
Gus's life after he spent a week in the ICU at the U of WI vet hospital 
in Madison. It was pretty awful because his brother had died there only 
a month before of a total metabolic breakdown caused initially by acute 
pancreatitis. I was so afraid I was going to lose Gus too. I went in 
every day to see him - I'm about an hour away. I'd hold him & talk to h 
im & sing to him ("You Are My Sunshine" over & over & over again).  I 
always wore blue because it's the color of healing, the same sweater 
every day! 

He's still with me. Still my "boyfriend" kitty (an animal communicator 
said he wanted to be my boyfriend!).




Pam

wendy wrote:

Hey Cassandra,

I was reading up on hemobartanellosis right now, and
it says that it can cause jaundice, which is related
to the liver, I believe.  Maybe that's what's causing
the liver issues?!  I sure hope so.  Thank goodness
they found the hemobart, because it is VERY hard to
diagnose.  Half the time, they can't see the little
buggers on the slide under a microscope.  If she pulls
through this, we need to make a note for later in case
we see this again.  


Praying that her liver issues are related to the
hemobart...

:)
Wendy

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world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



 

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Re: need advice for exposed cat

[wendy]

Mary,

I was saddened and shocked to read about your cat that
passed due to FeLV.  Getting the initial diagnosis is
always hard, but even harder when they are actually
very sick.  It's possible he tested negative when he
was actually positive.  It happens.  Or it's possible
that Chica may have exposed him, and then threw the
virus herself, or tested a false negative.  Whether or
not you get Chica tested again is up to you.  Some
people want to know; some say it doesn't matter either
way because their kitty is indoor only and the sole
cat in the household.  If she is not going to go
outside or be exposed to any other cats, the booster
is not necessary, in my opinion.  It's natural for you
to be worried she will get FeLV.  The loss of your
other kitty is so fresh still.  If it will put your
mind to rest, you might retest her in a couple of
weeks or months.  I'm sorry you are having to go
through this.  It's hard.

:)
Wendy

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Re: A little more on the topic of pee

[MaryChristine]

thanks, again, susan! scary, the things that make us laugh out loud, huh?

On 5/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Don't bother.  Trixie peed on the Feliway plug in.  I saved a lot of money
on refills right there.

*Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

They definitely know what they are doing.  I've used Feliway to calm cats
and an alternative vet recommends Cat Nap and various flower essences
including Rescue Remedy.  Feliway is supposed to help with peeing
problemsI've never had to use it for that (Thank God and all the
Angels) but it sure works to calm my little friends and ferals I've had
treated/spayed/neutered.   A black light will tell where they have gone and
where extra cleaning is needed to remove odor (even that only a cat can
smell) and reduce the urge to go in the same place.






 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis

- Original Message -
*From:* C & J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2007 7:53 PM
*Subject:* Re: A little more on the topic of pee

Oh I know they do it on purpose.  One of my cats left a nice brown present
for me right on my pillow the day we took Tomi in.  She never did that
before or since.

Cassandra

- Original Message -
*From:* MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2007 7:14 PM
*Subject:* Re: A little more on the topic of pee

i get such a kick out of the "experts" who say that cats don't do this on
purpose, or don't hold grudges. have they never LIVED with them?? the
little beasts know EXACTLY what they're doing, i'm convinced of it! and,
yes, are giggling behind their paws as we discover their gifts and
surprises!



On 5/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Oh, we always close the door.  Same with the microwave.  We close doors
> on toaster ovens and microwaves to protect the food that we've hidden from
> the cats.
>
> My mother was punished this morning for not getting up and cleaning
> litterboxes quickly enough.  She awoke to the smell of poop.  Two of her
> cats had managed to poop down a heating vent.  At least she has until winter
> to take the thing apart and clean it out.
>
> *Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
> At 04:31 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:
>
>
> I purchased a fireplace screen at a yard sale for Cat House on the
> Kings...I may be able to protect my space heater in the
> fall..then again I may not
> Kelly
>
>
> >The toaster oven is NOT safe UNLESS you remember to ALWAYS close the
> >door! My Sunset became annoyed when I went out of town overnight &
> >she peed into the toaster oven. I didn't suspect a thing until I
> >tried to toast an English muffin. The stench was horrible! So do
> >NOT assume that toaster ovens are safe. Cats are VERY creative.
> >Remember what Fluffy did to my friends' winshield washers!
> >
> >Pam
> >
> >Susan Hoffman wrote:
> >>And there was the time that Trixie got my roommate's toaster
> >>
> >>It was late at night. I was lyinjg in bed reading, pinned in place
> >>by cats on either side. I smell what smells like a skunk. So I
> >>assume we have a skunk in the yard. Not the first time. No big
> >>deal. I think nothing of it.
> >>
> >>Next morning my roommate mentions the skunk to me. And how he was
> >>making toast at the time. And how he felt a little ill after
> >>eating the toastSlowly, it dawns on us. That was no
> >>skunk. Trixie peed in the toaster. AND HE ATE IT! Is that why
> >>Trixie was giggling?
> >>
> >>Larry is convinced that Trixie did this on purpose. She knows
> >>mommy NEVER eats toast. He's probably right.
> >>
> >>The toaster has been replaced by a toaster over. But I think I
> >>caught Trixie reading the schematics. She's very clever.
> >>
> >>If Trixie offers you toast, decline.
> >>
> >>*/Nina /* wrote:
> >>
> >> Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again.
> >> Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister.
> >> Nina
> >>
> >> Susan Hoffman wrote:
> >> > This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I
> >> > removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop
> >> -- I
> >> > use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned
> >> > catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish
> >> > drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I
> >> wound up
> >> > pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer.
> >> >
> >> > One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of
> >> > strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: A little more on the topic of pee

[Susan Hoffman]

When I have a little more time, remind me to type up the Poop Fairy story.  
(Subtitle:  How Spot trained my roommate to give her strawberry ice cream and 
bacon and to never, never again spray her with water to get her off his desk.)  
They hold grnges, can plot against you, and are capable of brilliant strategic 
thought.

C & J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Oh I know they do it on purpose.  One 
of my cats left a nice brown present for me right on my pillow the day we took 
Tomi in.  She never did that before or since.
   
  Cassandra
- Original Message - 
  From: MaryChristine 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:14 PM
  Subject: Re: A little more on the topic of pee
  

i get such a kick out of the "experts" who say that cats don't do this on 
purpose, or don't hold grudges. have they never LIVED with them?? the 
little beasts know EXACTLY what they're doing, i'm convinced of it! and, yes, 
are giggling behind their paws as we discover their gifts and surprises! 



  On 5/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh, we always close 
the door.  Same with the microwave.  We close doors on toaster ovens and 
microwaves to protect the food that we've hidden from the cats.
   
  My mother was punished this morning for not getting up and cleaning 
litterboxes quickly enough.  She awoke to the smell of poop.  Two of her cats 
had managed to poop down a heating vent.  At least she has until winter to take 
the thing apart and clean it out.   

Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

At 04:31 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


I purchased a fireplace screen at a yard sale for Cat House on the 
Kings...I may be able to protect my space heater in the 
fall..then again I may not
Kelly


>The toaster oven is NOT safe UNLESS you remember to ALWAYS close the 
>door! My Sunset became annoyed when I went out of town overnight & 
>she peed into the toaster oven. I didn't suspect a thing until I 
>tried to toast an English muffin. The stench was horrible! So do 
>NOT assume that toaster ovens are safe. Cats are VERY creative. 
>Remember what Fluffy did to my friends' winshield washers!
>
>Pam
>
>Susan Hoffman wrote:
>>And there was the time that Trixie got my roommate's toaster
>>
>>It was late at night. I was lyinjg in bed reading, pinned in place 
>>by cats on either side. I smell what smells like a skunk. So I 
>>assume we have a skunk in the yard. Not the first time. No big 
>>deal. I think nothing of it.
>>
>>Next morning my roommate mentions the skunk to me. And how he was 
>>making toast at the time. And how he felt a little ill after 
>>eating the toastSlowly, it dawns on us. That was no 
>>skunk. Trixie peed in the toaster. AND HE ATE IT! Is that why 
>>Trixie was giggling?
>>
>>Larry is convinced that Trixie did this on purpose. She knows 
>>mommy NEVER eats toast. He's probably right. 
>>
>>The toaster has been replaced by a toaster over. But I think I 
>>caught Trixie reading the schematics. She's very clever.
>>
>>If Trixie offers you toast, decline.
>>

>>*/Nina /* wrote:
>>
>> Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again.
>> Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. 
>> Nina
>>
>> Susan Hoffman wrote:
>> > This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I
>> > removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop 
>> -- I
>> > use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned
>> > catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish
>> > drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I
>> wound up
>> > pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer. 
>> >
>> > One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of
>> > strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Re: l-lysine - ADVISE

[wendy]

Rett, 

I cannot answer your question completely, but in case
you don't get anymore replies, I used to give Smookie,
my new kitten last year who had a corneal ulcer, 500
mg 2x per day.  Some will probaby say that's a lot,
but it worked wonders.  Smookie was probably at least
six months old at that point and at least 5 lbs.  I
would not give that much to one as small as you have. 
Hopefully, you'll get more info. on this.  Also, make
sure that the lysine does not have the additive
propynol glycol.  It causes blood issues in cats.

:)
Wendy

--- Rett Lacy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
>  
> How much do you give a kitten before their next
> retest ( first one, weak positive).  Mg??  xday?? 
> etc.  Weight 2.5 - 3.0.
> Thanks to all..
> Rett
> 


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Re: A little more on the topic of pee

[Susan Hoffman]

Don't bother.  Trixie peed on the Feliway plug in.  I saved a lot of money on 
refills right there.

Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  They definitely know what they are 
doing.  I've used Feliway to calm cats and an alternative vet recommends Cat 
Nap and various flower essences including Rescue Remedy.  Feliway is supposed 
to help with peeing problemsI've never had to use it for that (Thank 
God and all the Angels) but it sure works to calm my little friends and ferals 
I've had treated/spayed/neutered.   A black light will tell where they have 
gone and where extra cleaning is needed to remove odor (even that only a cat 
can smell) and reduce the urge to go in the same place.  
   
   
   
   
   
   
   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
- Original Message - 
  From: C & J 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:53 PM
  Subject: Re: A little more on the topic of pee
  

  Oh I know they do it on purpose.  One of my cats left a nice brown present 
for me right on my pillow the day we took Tomi in.  She never did that before 
or since.
   
  Cassandra
- Original Message - 
  From: MaryChristine 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:14 PM
  Subject: Re: A little more on the topic of pee
  

i get such a kick out of the "experts" who say that cats don't do this on 
purpose, or don't hold grudges. have they never LIVED with them?? the 
little beasts know EXACTLY what they're doing, i'm convinced of it! and, yes, 
are giggling behind their paws as we discover their gifts and surprises! 



  On 5/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh, we always close 
the door.  Same with the microwave.  We close doors on toaster ovens and 
microwaves to protect the food that we've hidden from the cats.
   
  My mother was punished this morning for not getting up and cleaning 
litterboxes quickly enough.  She awoke to the smell of poop.  Two of her cats 
had managed to poop down a heating vent.  At least she has until winter to take 
the thing apart and clean it out.   

Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

At 04:31 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


I purchased a fireplace screen at a yard sale for Cat House on the 
Kings...I may be able to protect my space heater in the 
fall..then again I may not
Kelly


>The toaster oven is NOT safe UNLESS you remember to ALWAYS close the 
>door! My Sunset became annoyed when I went out of town overnight & 
>she peed into the toaster oven. I didn't suspect a thing until I 
>tried to toast an English muffin. The stench was horrible! So do 
>NOT assume that toaster ovens are safe. Cats are VERY creative. 
>Remember what Fluffy did to my friends' winshield washers!
>
>Pam
>
>Susan Hoffman wrote:
>>And there was the time that Trixie got my roommate's toaster
>>
>>It was late at night. I was lyinjg in bed reading, pinned in place 
>>by cats on either side. I smell what smells like a skunk. So I 
>>assume we have a skunk in the yard. Not the first time. No big 
>>deal. I think nothing of it.
>>
>>Next morning my roommate mentions the skunk to me. And how he was 
>>making toast at the time. And how he felt a little ill after 
>>eating the toastSlowly, it dawns on us. That was no 
>>skunk. Trixie peed in the toaster. AND HE ATE IT! Is that why 
>>Trixie was giggling?
>>
>>Larry is convinced that Trixie did this on purpose. She knows 
>>mommy NEVER eats toast. He's probably right. 
>>
>>The toaster has been replaced by a toaster over. But I think I 
>>caught Trixie reading the schematics. She's very clever.
>>
>>If Trixie offers you toast, decline.
>>

>>*/Nina /* wrote:
>>
>> Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again.
>> Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. 
>> Nina
>>
>> Susan Hoffman wrote:
>> > This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I
>> > removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop 
>> -- I
>> > use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned
>> > catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish
>> > drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I
>> wound up
>> > pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer. 
>> >
>> > One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of
>> > strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Re: stomatitis

[wendy]

Hey Jane, 

Did the vet say what causes the giardia?

Thanks,
Wendy

--- Jane Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> thank you all for your encouragement and sound
> advise.
> 
> Has anyone been able to cure stomatitis ?
> We are working on diarrhea, giardia (which is
> probably
> causing the diarrhea) sneezing (which is beginning
> to subside)
> and a clear discharge from her eyes.
> 
> My homeopathic vet is hopeful that a new probiotic
> (FortiFlora)
> will help boost her immunity. She also prescribed
> liquid DMG and
> Archetype, which she does not like. I am trying to
> wean her from
> Fancy Feast with a variety of organic raw meat/foul
> that she shows no
> interest in.
> 
> I wish I could send a photo of her on the top branch
> of a 60'magnolia
> the day before the diagnosis. She gets up and down
> trees faster than
> squirrels do. My vet said she cannot go out, but I
> have not had the 
> heart
> to tell her. I just want her to be happy. She hangs
> out directly under a
> bird feeder, hidden in liriope with the tips of her
> ears showing.
> 
> Jane
> 
> 
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Cassandra: Re: Hemobart

[wendy]

Hey Cassandra,

I was reading up on hemobartanellosis right now, and
it says that it can cause jaundice, which is related
to the liver, I believe.  Maybe that's what's causing
the liver issues?!  I sure hope so.  Thank goodness
they found the hemobart, because it is VERY hard to
diagnose.  Half the time, they can't see the little
buggers on the slide under a microscope.  If she pulls
through this, we need to make a note for later in case
we see this again.  

Praying that her liver issues are related to the
hemobart...

:)
Wendy

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Re: Update on Kisa

[Pam Norman]

Cassanndra.

She MUST stay on the doxy!  Be sure you have enough for a minimum of 4 
weeks after she is home. Hemobart is a really nasty bug & if you stop 
the doxy, it will come right back. 


Pam

C & J wrote:
They can't do the needle biospy here, they don't have the equipment.  
I'm thinking they need the ultrasound in order to do it.
 
Basically my options are:  to have her fully hydrated, put some food 
into her and hope she feels well enough to do the general anesthesia 
and biopsy, or to send her 6-7 hours away where they have the 
ultrasound and equipment to diagnose her with a needle.  She still 
would need the general anesthesia to put a better feeding tube in, 
though. 
 
I'm really not sure I can do the second option, nor am I sure how she 
would handle a long trip like that.
 
I guess a third option would be to just bring her home with the nasal 
tube and the plastic collar so she can't rip it out, and hope that the 
problem isn't cancer, and might clear up if we kept her properly fed 
and hydrated.
 
The vet says it likely isn't fatty liver, since she wasn't overweight, 
and didn't stop eating til she got sick, but I guess he can't know for 
sure without the biopsy.
 
Cassandra


- Original Message -
*From:* Taylor Scobie Humphrey 
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

*Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2007 9:33 PM
*Subject:* Re: Update on Kisa

If you find it hard to give up on Kisa, well, DON'T!  Will you
please ask your vet if a fine-needle biopsy of Kisa's liver is
feasible?  Then she won't need general anesthesia because it's a
poke instead of an operation.  We all have some variation of other
kitties and jobs and kids and aging parents and spouses and houses
to care for.  If you can get her started at the oncologist and
then have your vet do it, that sounds ideal.

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 


On May 28, 2007, at 6:41 PM, C & J wrote:


I visited Kisa three times at the vet today, and she's going to
be spending another night there.  They're keeping her on the IV. 
They also put in a feeding tube through her nose, so she's got
that taped to the top of her head, and a cone around her neck. 
She seems a little more alert, but she didn't get up at all.  She

purred while I pet her, but it is so hard to see her like this.
 
They found the presence of Hemobartonella, and she was looking
pale, so they are giving her doxycycline now instead of batyril. 
She wasn't anemic on Tuesday, but she may be now.
 
They also did an X-ray, and it looks like her liver is quite

enlarged.  The vet figures it probably is cancer.
 
The only way to know for sure is the liver biopsy, but she is too

weak for general anesthetic right now.
 
The nearest place where she can receive cancer treatment is 6-7

hours away from here.  I didn't ask yet how much this would
cost.  She would basically start the treatment there, then the
vet here could probably do the chemo after all the diagnosis is
done.  I'm really now sure how feasible that would be for me. 
I've got other kitties to look after, and a job to go to...not to

mention the cost for a treatment that may or may not help her.
 
He suggested we wait and see how she is tomorrow after another

day on the IV.
 
What an ordeal..why is it we have to make such hard decisions

when it comes to the lives of our little ones?  I don't want to
put her through a bunch of stress and pain just to have her die
anyway, and wish I hadn't put her through so much.  Yet I find it
so hard to give up on her.
 
Cassandra


- Original Message -
*From:* C & J 
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

*Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM
*Subject:* Update on Kisa

Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for
Kisa.
 
She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated

number of lymphocytes.  Therefore they believe she has a
liver disease, possibly lymphosarcoma.
 
The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with

her liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They
didn't suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her
immune system being compromised.
 
They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm

really not sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she
is vomiting so easily.  They're hoping the steroid will make
her feel a little better and maybe regain some appetite.
 
I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she

hasn't eaten since Saturday night now.
  

Kelley, how is Caroline doing?

[wendy]

Hey Kelley,

Just wondering how your baby is doing?  

:)
Wendy

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To Jane: Re: questions

[wendy]

Hi Jane,

It sounds like you are still mourning NoNo very
deeply.  I am sorry you lost her.  She sounds like she
was a very special cat and she was with you for so
long.  It's natural to feel like you do about this new
diagnosis, but don't give up hope yet.  With a good
diet, a stress free environment, and lots of love,
your kitty may live a long life.  Someone just posted
here the other day that their kitty is 7+ years and
going strong.  And there is a 22 year old kitty at
Best Freinds with FeLV.  There is also a chance (about
40%) that your furbaby will throw the virus and we see
it happen here as often as not.  So please keep a
smile on your face and enjoy every second that you
have with this new little one.  Take a few steps
forward, out from under that dark cloud, and don't
look back at it.

:)
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Dallas, Tx

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Re: Update on Kisa

[C & J]

They can't do the needle biospy here, they don't have the equipment.  I'm 
thinking they need the ultrasound in order to do it.

Basically my options are:  to have her fully hydrated, put some food into her 
and hope she feels well enough to do the general anesthesia and biopsy, or to 
send her 6-7 hours away where they have the ultrasound and equipment to 
diagnose her with a needle.  She still would need the general anesthesia to put 
a better feeding tube in, though.  

I'm really not sure I can do the second option, nor am I sure how she would 
handle a long trip like that.

I guess a third option would be to just bring her home with the nasal tube and 
the plastic collar so she can't rip it out, and hope that the problem isn't 
cancer, and might clear up if we kept her properly fed and hydrated.

The vet says it likely isn't fatty liver, since she wasn't overweight, and 
didn't stop eating til she got sick, but I guess he can't know for sure without 
the biopsy.

Cassandra
  - Original Message - 
  From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 9:33 PM
  Subject: Re: Update on Kisa


  If you find it hard to give up on Kisa, well, DON'T!  Will you please ask 
your vet if a fine-needle biopsy of Kisa's liver is feasible?  Then she won't 
need general anesthesia because it's a poke instead of an operation.  We all 
have some variation of other kitties and jobs and kids and aging parents and 
spouses and houses to care for.  If you can get her started at the oncologist 
and then have your vet do it, that sounds ideal.


  Taylor Scobie Humphrey
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]




  On May 28, 2007, at 6:41 PM, C & J wrote:


I visited Kisa three times at the vet today, and she's going to be spending 
another night there.  They're keeping her on the IV.  They also put in a 
feeding tube through her nose, so she's got that taped to the top of her head, 
and a cone around her neck.  She seems a little more alert, but she didn't get 
up at all.  She purred while I pet her, but it is so hard to see her like this.

They found the presence of Hemobartonella, and she was looking pale, so 
they are giving her doxycycline now instead of batyril.  She wasn't anemic on 
Tuesday, but she may be now.

They also did an X-ray, and it looks like her liver is quite enlarged.  The 
vet figures it probably is cancer.

The only way to know for sure is the liver biopsy, but she is too weak for 
general anesthetic right now.

The nearest place where she can receive cancer treatment is 6-7 hours away 
from here.  I didn't ask yet how much this would cost.  She would basically 
start the treatment there, then the vet here could probably do the chemo after 
all the diagnosis is done.  I'm really now sure how feasible that would be for 
me.  I've got other kitties to look after, and a job to go to...not to mention 
the cost for a treatment that may or may not help her.

He suggested we wait and see how she is tomorrow after another day on the 
IV.

What an ordeal..why is it we have to make such hard decisions when it comes 
to the lives of our little ones?  I don't want to put her through a bunch of 
stress and pain just to have her die anyway, and wish I hadn't put her through 
so much.  Yet I find it so hard to give up on her.

Cassandra
  - Original Message -
  From: C & J
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM
  Subject: Update on Kisa


  Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa.

  She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of 
lymphocytes.  Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly 
lymphosarcoma.

  The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver is 
to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though 
because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised.

  They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not sure 
how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so easily.  They're 
hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better and maybe regain some 
appetite.

  I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten 
since Saturday night now.

  I don't understand why this is all happening at once.  First I watched 
Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months.  As soon as he started getting 
better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver failure, and died.  Now, barely a 
week later Kisa goes from being a super healthy and active cat to death's door. 
 I haven't even had enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another 
crisis situation.

  This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active cats for 
12 years.

  I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down while I was 
away and my 5 cats were inside.  What is happening now is almost worse than 
that s

Re: A little more on the topic of pee

[wendy]

We had one pee on the coffee maker recently which made
for a very interesting morning for my husband and I. 
He was completely pissed, and just looked at me in
wonder when I told him if he couldn't taste the pee,
then it probably wasn't in there and just to drink it,
as I walked off as if it were perfectly normal.  I
feel as if I've introduced him to things that he would
have never experienced, had he not married me...lol.

:)
Wendy

--- Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed
> everyone, I removed what I thought was a clean
> frying pan from the stivetop -- I use the stove as a
> stagingt area to get all the plates of canned
> catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down
> in the dish drainer.  Someone had peed in the frying
> pan overnight and I wound up pouring cat pee all
> over the clean dishes in the drainer.
>
>   One more morning like this and I'm going to make
> myself a cup of strong coffee before anyone gets a
> morsel of food.
> 


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Re: A little more on the topic of pee

[Pam Norman]

Had to laugh at this!  It never ceases to amaze me how creative kitties 
can be!


Pam

Susan Hoffman wrote:
Oh, we always close the door.  Same with the microwave.  We close 
doors on toaster ovens and microwaves to protect the food that we've 
hidden from the cats.
 
My mother was punished this morning for not getting up and cleaning 
litterboxes quickly enough.  She awoke to the smell of poop.  Two of 
her cats had managed to poop down a heating vent.  At least she has 
until winter to take the thing apart and clean it out.


*/Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

At 04:31 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


I purchased a fireplace screen at a yard sale for Cat House on the
Kings...I may be able to protect my space heater in the
fall..then again I may not
Kelly


>The toaster oven is NOT safe UNLESS you remember to ALWAYS close the
>door! My Sunset became annoyed when I went out of town overnight &
>she peed into the toaster oven. I didn't suspect a thing until I
>tried to toast an English muffin. The stench was horrible! So do
>NOT assume that toaster ovens are safe. Cats are VERY creative.
>Remember what Fluffy did to my friends' winshield washers!
>
>Pam
>
>Susan Hoffman wrote:
>>And there was the time that Trixie got my roommate's toaster
>>
>>It was late at night. I was lyinjg in bed reading, pinned in place
>>by cats on either side. I smell what smells like a skunk. So I
>>assume we have a skunk in the yard. Not the first time. No big
>>deal. I think nothing of it.
>>
>>Next morning my roommate mentions the skunk to me. And how he was
>>making toast at the time. And how he felt a little ill after
>>eating the toastSlowly, it dawns on us. That was no
>>skunk. Trixie peed in the toaster. AND HE ATE IT! Is that why
>>Trixie was giggling?
>>
>>Larry is convinced that Trixie did this on purpose. She knows
>>mommy NEVER eats toast. He's probably right.
>>
>>The toaster has been replaced by a toaster over. But I think I
>>caught Trixie reading the schematics. She's very clever.
>>
>>If Trixie offers you toast, decline.
>>
>>*/Nina /* wrote:
>>
>> Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer
again.
>> Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister.
>> Nina
>>
>> Susan Hoffman wrote:
>> > This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I
>> > removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop
>> -- I
>> > use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned
>> > catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish
>> > drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I
>> wound up
>> > pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer.
>> >
>> > One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of
>> > strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.
>>
>>
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Re: Update on Kisa

[Pam Norman]

I almost lost a precious one, my "boyfriend" kitty, to hemobart a few 
years ago. It was really scary. He had a high fever, his liver values 
were up, his HCT went down like a rock. But doxycycline saved his life. 
It is THE drug for hemobart.  I would think that the combination of the 
doxy, the fluids, & the nourishment would make her feel a lot better.


Pam

Kelly L wrote:

At 04:41 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:



I am so sorry you are both going through this. this is what we all 
face, thank goodness for wach other. I am sure Kisa was glad to have 
you visit and she must be feeling better not to be so dehydrated. 
Those are good things, I am probably way off base but is there a 
chance theliver is enlarged due to lipidosis or it it remarkably 
enlarged,
Sadly cancer is so common with our special FELV angels. I have heard 
that theri response to treatment is as good as a non FELV cat, but 
Liver cancer is a very hard one,
She is getting some much needed nutrition and those N.G. ( 
nasogastric) tubes are not uncomfortable. they just look awful...

Please keep us updated and write as often as you like,
We are all here with you.
Kelly Lane

I visited Kisa three times at the vet today, and she's going to be 
spending another night there.  They're keeping her on the IV.  They 
also put in a feeding tube through her nose, so she's got that taped 
to the top of her head, and a cone around her neck.  She seems a 
little more alert, but she didn't get up at all.  She purred while I 
pet her, but it is so hard to see her like this.
 
They found the presence of Hemobartonella, and she was looking pale, 
so they are giving her doxycycline now instead of batyril.  She 
wasn't anemic on Tuesday, but she may be now.
 
They also did an X-ray, and it looks like her liver is quite 
enlarged.  The vet figures it probably is cancer.
 
The only way to know for sure is the liver biopsy, but she is too 
weak for general anesthetic right now.
 
The nearest place where she can receive cancer treatment is 6-7 hours 
away from here.  I didn't ask yet how much this would cost.  She 
would basically start the treatment there, then the vet here could 
probably do the chemo after all the diagnosis is done.  I'm really 
now sure how feasible that would be for me.  I've got other kitties 
to look after, and a job to go to...not to mention the cost for a 
treatment that may or may not help her.
 
He suggested we wait and see how she is tomorrow after another day on 
the IV.
 
What an ordeal..why is it we have to make such hard decisions when it 
comes to the lives of our little ones?  I don't want to put her 
through a bunch of stress and pain just to have her die anyway, and 
wish I hadn't put her through so much.  Yet I find it so hard to give 
up on her.
 
Cassandra


- Original Message -
From: C & J 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM
Subject: Update on Kisa

Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa.
 
She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated

number of lymphocytes.  Therefore they believe she has a liver
disease, possibly lymphosarcoma.
 
The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her

liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't
suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune
system being compromised.
 
They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really

not sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is
vomiting so easily.  They're hoping the steroid will make her
feel a little better and maybe regain some appetite.
 
I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't

eaten since Saturday night now.
 
I don't understand why this is all happening at once.  First I

watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months.  As soon
as he started getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver
failure, and died.  Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being
a super healthy and active cat to death's door.  I haven't even
had enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another
crisis situation.
 
This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active

cats for 12 years.
 
I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down

while I was away and my 5 cats were inside.  What is happening
now is almost worse than that since it is so prolonged and i'm
beginning to wonder if something I am doing is causing all this
(like feeding raw food).  I've always kept my cats indoors
because I didn't want them to get run over by a car, etcbut
they seem to be no safer indoors.
 
Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect

me, both emotionally and financially.
 
Cassandra


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Re: Kelley

[Kelley Saveika]

Yes, that is what I thought he meant she was not doing.

Having seen the vet do the test, though, what he meant was that she
doesn't blink when a bright light is shined in her eye.

I went to see her and she feels better enough to growl.  They are
feeding her through a tube now because they thought she didn't like
the syringe feeding.

On 5/28/07, Taylor Scobie Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If you lightly tap the nose right inner corner of the eye the eye
should blink.  An old vet trick.

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 28, 2007, at 11:14 AM, Pam Norman wrote:

> Ok, glad she can close them. But she COULD be blind. That would
> account for the non-response.
>
> Kelley Saveika wrote:
>> I just got off the phone with them.  She is now sleeping with her
>> eyes
>> closed.  So she can close them, she just doesn't have the reflex that
>> lets her know if someone is going to poke her in the eye that she
>> should close them.
>>
>> On 5/28/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I am wondering too if she is blind.  I don't know of seizures can
>>> cause
>>> that but whatever neurological thing that caused the seizures might
>>> have. The other problem is that if she cannot blink or close her
>>> eyes
>>> then she cannot lubricate the surface of the eye & the vets MUST
>>> give
>>> her drops!  Call them & ask about that.
>>>
>>> Pam
>>>
>>> Kelley Saveika wrote:
>>> > No, her eyes are not reactive at all.
>>> >
>>> > I don't think she can close her eyes.  I did not see her close her
>>> > eyes or blink at any point past the first seizure.
>>> >
>>> > I do not know what happens when she is sleeping, though.  I
>>> will ask
>>> > when I go in to see her after work.
>>> >
>>> > I'm wondering if she is blind..can seizures cause blindness?  I'm
>>> > really lost here.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 5/27/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> >> And her eyes are not reactive? At all?
>>> >>
>>> >> If she can't blink, does that mean she can't close her eyes?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> P
>>> >>
>>> >> Kelley Saveika wrote:
>>> >> > Well, she moved her head...but she can't blink her eyes...so
>>> it is
>>> >> > hard to say if she is moving her head because i am there..
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On 5/27/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> >> >> How does she respond to you?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Kelley Saveika wrote:
>>> >> >> > Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I
>>> am paying
>>> >> >> > dearly.  They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet.
>>> She's
>>> >> being
>>> >> >> > monitored around the clock.  I've called up there 5 times
>>> today
>>> >> >> > starting at 6 am and been there once.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > On 5/27/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If
>>> they're closed
>>> >> >> >> tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact
>>> about
>>> >> seeing
>>> >> >> >> her? Did they say what they mean about being non-
>>> responsive?
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >Have you ever  had a cat before that had seizures?  My
>>> Paddy,
>>> >> who is
>>> >> >> >> >now 22, had one about 2 years ago & has never had another,
>>> >> knock on
>>> >> >> >> >wood. Apparently this happens.
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >Pam
>>> >> >> >> >
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Re: need advice for exposed cat

[MaryChristine]

since she's lived with your other one for so long, she's long ago been
exposed. unfortunately, you've learned what wasn't well-known before: that a
negative test on a kitty when you do not know FOR SURE couldn't have been
exposed to a positive may not be valid. any time we don't know where a cat's
been, or whom s/he has been hanging our with for the past 120 days, neither
a positive NOR a negative test is really to be trusted.

after all this time, i would trust a negative test for her--the virus has
had MORE than enough time to take hold if it had wanted to. when my cats had
been exposed to a kitty who died from complications of FeLV (as in living
with her for five months), they all tested negative, and my vet told me not
to bother retesting until there were symptoms. that'll be seven years in
october i think? no symptoms, no retest.

i'm very sorry that you came to us this way, but welcome.

MC

On 5/28/07, MarieG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Hi everyone,

I have learned a lot by reading some of these posts. My cat recently died.
It was a shock to me as my cat stayed in doors and tested negative when I
got him. He lived for three years and always seemed to be healthy until the
last month of his life. He got very sick quickly. I didn't know anything
about felv when he was dx. He also was vaccinated by the way.

i have a two year old female cat, Chica. She was recently tested and is
negative. Should she be tested again? She lived with my other cat for two
years.

I'm also wondering whether or not she should get the booster for leukemia
if she's not exposed to it anymore? The vet said it's possible she could
have it but he thinks there's a good chance she wont' get it.

She stays in doors and i'm not planning on getting another cat right away.
I still have a lot to learn.  I hope she stays negative but i'm constantly
worried about her getting felv. My male cat died about a month ago. It's
still a shock.

thanks

mary

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Re: Update on Kisa

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

You are such a wonderful mommy to see little Kisa so often.  That is  
doing a great deal to help in her recovery.  Everyone likes to see  
somebody they love when they are ill.


Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 28, 2007, at 6:52 PM, Kelly L wrote:


At 04:41 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:



I am so sorry you are both going through this. this is what we all  
face, thank goodness for wach other. I am sure Kisa was glad to  
have you visit and she must be feeling better not to be so  
dehydrated. Those are good things, I am probably way off base but  
is there a chance theliver is enlarged due to lipidosis or it it  
remarkably enlarged,
Sadly cancer is so common with our special FELV angels. I have  
heard that theri response to treatment is as good as a non FELV  
cat, but Liver cancer is a very hard one,
She is getting some much needed nutrition and those N.G.  
( nasogastric) tubes are not uncomfortable. they just look awful...

Please keep us updated and write as often as you like,
We are all here with you.
Kelly Lane

I visited Kisa three times at the vet today, and she's going to be  
spending another night there.  They're keeping her on the IV.   
They also put in a feeding tube through her nose, so she's got  
that taped to the top of her head, and a cone around her neck.   
She seems a little more alert, but she didn't get up at all.  She  
purred while I pet her, but it is so hard to see her like this.


They found the presence of Hemobartonella, and she was looking  
pale, so they are giving her doxycycline now instead of batyril.   
She wasn't anemic on Tuesday, but she may be now.


They also did an X-ray, and it looks like her liver is quite  
enlarged.  The vet figures it probably is cancer.


The only way to know for sure is the liver biopsy, but she is too  
weak for general anesthetic right now.


The nearest place where she can receive cancer treatment is 6-7  
hours away from here.  I didn't ask yet how much this would cost.   
She would basically start the treatment there, then the vet here  
could probably do the chemo after all the diagnosis is done.  I'm  
really now sure how feasible that would be for me.  I've got other  
kitties to look after, and a job to go to...not to mention the  
cost for a treatment that may or may not help her.


He suggested we wait and see how she is tomorrow after another day  
on the IV.


What an ordeal..why is it we have to make such hard decisions when  
it comes to the lives of our little ones?  I don't want to put her  
through a bunch of stress and pain just to have her die anyway,  
and wish I hadn't put her through so much.  Yet I find it so hard  
to give up on her.


Cassandra
- Original Message -
From: C & J
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM
Subject: Update on Kisa

Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa.

She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number  
of lymphocytes.  Therefore they believe she has a liver disease,  
possibly lymphosarcoma.


The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her  
liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't  
suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune  
system being compromised.


They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not  
sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so  
easily.  They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little  
better and maybe regain some appetite.


I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't  
eaten since Saturday night now.


I don't understand why this is all happening at once.  First I  
watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months.  As soon  
as he started getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver  
failure, and died.  Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being  
a super healthy and active cat to death's door.  I haven't even  
had enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another  
crisis situation.


This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active  
cats for 12 years.


I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down  
while I was away and my 5 cats were inside.  What is happening now  
is almost worse than that since it is so prolonged and i'm  
beginning to wonder if something I am doing is causing all this  
(like feeding raw food).  I've always kept my cats indoors because  
I didn't want them to get run over by a car, etcbut they seem  
to be no safer indoors.


Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect  
me, both emotionally and financially.


Cassandra

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Re: stomatitis

[Marylyn]

Ebony and Mitu had a large chain link enclosure they entered thru 
ductworkpet door in a window into the ductwork on to a platform down 
a ramp they loved it.







If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
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From: "Kelly L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: stomatitis



At 07:13 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


Leukemia kitties should be kept in so they do not infect other cats and 
also so they do not pick up other stuff.
In general Ido not adopt any cats out who are allowed to roam free. there 
are cars and dogs and engines they get into, they get trapped in garages 
or other small spaces, there are people who do not like cats and I have 
one with 3 legs due to a b.b. gun injury,
they do love the sun and there are great window perches and screened 
porches,i have built a large outdoor enclosure for my cats so they are 
safe,

you can see it on my site
www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com
but especially FelV cats,it is not fair to infect other cats.
Love the babies
Kelly


Why did your vet say she could not go out?  Can she go out when she
gets over all the stuff she has?  Little Mamie always went out
sometimes with us and sometimes on her own.  Fortunately we were in a
very safe neighborhood and she would go out at five AM and stay out
until ten at night.  (She could always get in through her little cat
door--it got locked at night when she came in.  She came in when I
called!  She would buzz in and out the cat door all day long for a
snack or to say "Hi!"  She used to chase all the other cats away!
And she would puff up like a raccoon at the dogs (all leashed here.)
Really amusing!

Don't make her stay in her entire life.  Animals need the sun's rays
the way everyone on the surface of the planet does.  Mamie seemed to
become much healthier when she could be outside.  AND she was the
only cat I knew who would sit in the middle of the yard with
lightning flashing and thunder booming!  I couldn't believe it!
She was quite a brave little girl!

My little Sammy's homeopathic vet gives him 6 drops of omega 3 fish
oil/day, 1/2 cap of l-lysine/day and 1/4-1/2 cap of bovine colostrum
for his little immune system.


Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 28, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Jane Lyons wrote:


thank you all for your encouragement and sound advise.

Has anyone been able to cure stomatitis ?
We are working on diarrhea, giardia (which is probably
causing the diarrhea) sneezing (which is beginning to subside)
and a clear discharge from her eyes.

My homeopathic vet is hopeful that a new probiotic (FortiFlora)
will help boost her immunity. She also prescribed liquid DMG and
Archetype, which she does not like. I am trying to wean her from
Fancy Feast with a variety of organic raw meat/foul that she shows no
interest in.

I wish I could send a photo of her on the top branch of a 60'magnolia
the day before the diagnosis. She gets up and down trees faster than
squirrels do. My vet said she cannot go out, but I have not had the
heart
to tell her. I just want her to be happy. She hangs out directly
under a
bird feeder, hidden in liriope with the tips of her ears showing.

Jane






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Re: Update on Kisa

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

If you find it hard to give up on Kisa, well, DON'T!  Will you please  
ask your vet if a fine-needle biopsy of Kisa's liver is feasible?   
Then she won't need general anesthesia because it's a poke instead of  
an operation.  We all have some variation of other kitties and jobs  
and kids and aging parents and spouses and houses to care for.  If  
you can get her started at the oncologist and then have your vet do  
it, that sounds ideal.


Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 28, 2007, at 6:41 PM, C & J wrote:

I visited Kisa three times at the vet today, and she's going to be  
spending another night there.  They're keeping her on the IV.  They  
also put in a feeding tube through her nose, so she's got that  
taped to the top of her head, and a cone around her neck.  She  
seems a little more alert, but she didn't get up at all.  She  
purred while I pet her, but it is so hard to see her like this.


They found the presence of Hemobartonella, and she was looking  
pale, so they are giving her doxycycline now instead of batyril.   
She wasn't anemic on Tuesday, but she may be now.


They also did an X-ray, and it looks like her liver is quite  
enlarged.  The vet figures it probably is cancer.


The only way to know for sure is the liver biopsy, but she is too  
weak for general anesthetic right now.


The nearest place where she can receive cancer treatment is 6-7  
hours away from here.  I didn't ask yet how much this would cost.   
She would basically start the treatment there, then the vet here  
could probably do the chemo after all the diagnosis is done.  I'm  
really now sure how feasible that would be for me.  I've got other  
kitties to look after, and a job to go to...not to mention the cost  
for a treatment that may or may not help her.


He suggested we wait and see how she is tomorrow after another day  
on the IV.


What an ordeal..why is it we have to make such hard decisions when  
it comes to the lives of our little ones?  I don't want to put her  
through a bunch of stress and pain just to have her die anyway, and  
wish I hadn't put her through so much.  Yet I find it so hard to  
give up on her.


Cassandra
- Original Message -
From: C & J
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM
Subject: Update on Kisa

Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa.

She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number  
of lymphocytes.  Therefore they believe she has a liver disease,  
possibly lymphosarcoma.


The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her  
liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest  
doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being  
compromised.


They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not  
sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so  
easily.  They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little  
better and maybe regain some appetite.


I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't  
eaten since Saturday night now.


I don't understand why this is all happening at once.  First I  
watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months.  As soon as  
he started getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver  
failure, and died.  Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being a  
super healthy and active cat to death's door.  I haven't even had  
enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another crisis  
situation.


This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active  
cats for 12 years.


I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down while  
I was away and my 5 cats were inside.  What is happening now is  
almost worse than that since it is so prolonged and i'm beginning  
to wonder if something I am doing is causing all this (like feeding  
raw food).  I've always kept my cats indoors because I didn't want  
them to get run over by a car, etcbut they seem to be no safer  
indoors.


Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect  
me, both emotionally and financially.


Cassandra


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Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Those moderators didn't want to lose any potential funding, in my  
opinion.


Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 28, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Nina wrote:

Well that just wiped the smile from my face.  I was not privy to  
the exchange and have never been to any of the Best Friends forums,  
but I'm assuming that their motive in removing any chastising  
responses was in keeping with an overall effort to maintain the  
site as a "safe" place to express grief, no matter where the  
"blame" of that grief may lie.  I am by no means condoning or  
advocating humans deciding to pts cats because of litterbox  
avoidance, it turns my stomach, the same as it does yours.  I am  
just pointing out that perhaps the moderators did not feel that  
this was the proper venue for attempting to educate someone that is  
suffering from their lack of judgement and compassion.  My head too  
is bloody from banging it against the brick walls of those I do my  
best to "educate".  I know how frustrating and emotionally  
devastating it can be.  The only way I can continue to reach out to  
those that, (in my eyes), visit atrocities on the helpless is that  
I know sometimes I do get through, sometimes I do make a  
difference.  Even though they sometimes fall short of our  
expectations, Best Friends is a worthy organization that does make  
a difference.  I hope that when the heat of your disappointment  
dissipates you are able to remain an ally to the organization.

Nina

Kelly L wrote:

At 12:59 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


I find this conversation quite timely...You see I have just  
withdrawn my long time support of Best Friends because of  
something similar, I have been member and volunteer with them for  
almost 10 years.

they have grown which is good.
Well on their prayers and healing forum someone posted  asking for  
prayers and support for their co worker  because they were sad at  
deciding to have their cat PTS ,,killed because she keeps peeing  
on the carpet,..
I replied that I could not give support to such an act and then  
other members  agreed...our posts were pulled and only the ones  
comforting this person were left, i received another demeaning  
letter from the moderator,,,
this is not the first incident of that kind, but this one was the  
"final STraw"
Best Friends does wonderful things, but I am no longer comfortable  
with may of theri policies at this time,
Now I better go mop up pee ...after I get my shoes on of  
course.(lol)





Sigh.  I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer  
again.

Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. Nina

Susan Hoffman wrote:
This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I  
removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop  
-- I use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of  
canned catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in  
the dish drainer.  Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight  
and I wound up pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the  
drainer.


One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of  
strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.





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Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Boy, do I agree with you!

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 28, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Kelly L wrote:


At 12:59 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


I find this conversation quite timely...You see I have just  
withdrawn my long time support of Best Friends because of something  
similar, I have been member and volunteer with them for almost 10  
years.

they have grown which is good.
Well on their prayers and healing forum someone posted  asking for  
prayers and support for their co worker  because they were sad at  
deciding to have their cat PTS ,,killed because she keeps peeing on  
the carpet,..
I replied that I could not give support to such an act and then  
other members  agreed...our posts were pulled and only the ones  
comforting this person were left, i received another demeaning  
letter from the moderator,,,
this is not the first incident of that kind, but this one was the  
"final STraw"
Best Friends does wonderful things, but I am no longer comfortable  
with may of theri policies at this time,
Now I better go mop up pee ...after I get my shoes on of course. 
(lol)





Sigh.  I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer  
again.

Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. Nina

Susan Hoffman wrote:
This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I  
removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop  
-- I use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of  
canned catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the  
dish drainer.  Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I  
wound up pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer.


One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of  
strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.





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Re: stomatitis

[Kelly L]

At 07:13 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


Leukemia kitties should be kept in so they do not infect other cats 
and also so they do not pick up other stuff.
In general Ido not adopt any cats out who are allowed to roam free. 
there are cars and dogs and engines they get into, they get trapped 
in garages or other small spaces, there are people who do not like 
cats and I have one with 3 legs due to a b.b. gun injury,
they do love the sun and there are great window perches and screened 
porches,i have built a large outdoor enclosure for my cats so they are safe,

you can see it on my site
www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com
but especially FelV cats,it is not fair to infect other cats.
Love the babies
Kelly


Why did your vet say she could not go out?  Can she go out when she
gets over all the stuff she has?  Little Mamie always went out
sometimes with us and sometimes on her own.  Fortunately we were in a
very safe neighborhood and she would go out at five AM and stay out
until ten at night.  (She could always get in through her little cat
door--it got locked at night when she came in.  She came in when I
called!  She would buzz in and out the cat door all day long for a
snack or to say "Hi!"  She used to chase all the other cats away!
And she would puff up like a raccoon at the dogs (all leashed here.)
Really amusing!

Don't make her stay in her entire life.  Animals need the sun's rays
the way everyone on the surface of the planet does.  Mamie seemed to
become much healthier when she could be outside.  AND she was the
only cat I knew who would sit in the middle of the yard with
lightning flashing and thunder booming!  I couldn't believe it!
She was quite a brave little girl!

My little Sammy's homeopathic vet gives him 6 drops of omega 3 fish
oil/day, 1/2 cap of l-lysine/day and 1/4-1/2 cap of bovine colostrum
for his little immune system.


Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 28, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Jane Lyons wrote:


thank you all for your encouragement and sound advise.

Has anyone been able to cure stomatitis ?
We are working on diarrhea, giardia (which is probably
causing the diarrhea) sneezing (which is beginning to subside)
and a clear discharge from her eyes.

My homeopathic vet is hopeful that a new probiotic (FortiFlora)
will help boost her immunity. She also prescribed liquid DMG and
Archetype, which she does not like. I am trying to wean her from
Fancy Feast with a variety of organic raw meat/foul that she shows no
interest in.

I wish I could send a photo of her on the top branch of a 60'magnolia
the day before the diagnosis. She gets up and down trees faster than
squirrels do. My vet said she cannot go out, but I have not had the
heart
to tell her. I just want her to be happy. She hangs out directly
under a
bird feeder, hidden in liriope with the tips of her ears showing.

Jane






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Re: A little more on the topic of pee

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Good kitty mom, you!

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 28, 2007, at 1:40 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote:

No.  They have me so well trained that I usually feed EVERYONE and  
will often clean all the boxes first thing, before I pour a cup of  
coffee for myself.  I even clean the bathroom litterbox before  
stepping into the shower on a workday morning.


They have me so well trained that, when I buy groceries, I find  
myself thinking about who likes the chicken quesadillas and who  
likes cream cheese filled pastries.  I find myself buying and  
eating food based on their tastes more than my own.


When my roommate got a new job recently very close to the house we  
both independently had the same though -- Oh, good.  It's so close  
that he can come home at lunch time to give Connie her afternoon  
dose of anti-seizure meds.


They have us very well trained.

MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
you mean you don't do that already?

On 5/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I  
removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop --  
I use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned  
catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish  
drainer.  Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I wound  
up pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer.


One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of  
strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.




--

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Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

Re: A little more on the topic of pee

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Oh, Lord, cats are SO FUNNY!

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 28, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote:

This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I  
removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop --  
I use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned  
catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish  
drainer.  Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I wound  
up pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer.


One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of  
strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.

Re: Virbagen Omega

[Marylyn]

Ask your vet about feeding raw too...at least as a supplement.  And consider 
giving your little one Just Born either as a treat to drink or as a powder 
mixed in wet food.






If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 8:55 PM
Subject: Virbagen Omega



>
Thanks for the information Lance.
I will ask my vet about it tomorrow
as well as the Innova-EVO and Transfer Factor.

She has given me the Maitake DMG. I've been
giving it to her twice a day since Friday.

I am so grateful to have found this list. I was
thinking how isolated and scary it would
be to confront this disease without the web
and Google and kind people who really love
cats and are in the same boat.

Hoping Kisa has a good night.

Jane

Re: stomatitis

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Oh--I forgot.  Little Sammy also takes interferon.

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 28, 2007, at 11:55 AM, Lance wrote:


Jane,

I'm not a vet, but my sense is that boosting the immune system will  
help with the stomatitis. I'm using Liquid DMG and Transfer Factor  
on my cat. My homeopathic vet, like yours, tends to feel good about  
the use of DMG. Vetri-Science also makes a Maitake-DMG Liquid,  
which contains additional ingredients to aid the immune system.  
It's more expensive, but since a bottle of DMG can last Ember three  
months easily, I'm considering it.


I should note that, if you have the time and the resources,  
Virbagen Omega has been known to clear up stomatitis. It's very  
expensive stuff, and it must be imported after the FDA clears your  
vet for its use. It's been used in the treatment of FeLV+ cats by  
several on the list, and it seems to help them a lot, even if  
they're not doing well. Since it requires time to apply for the VO  
and then get it into the States, it's good to start the process if  
it's something you think you might want down the road.


As far as food is concerned, you may have seen my mention of Innova  
EVO over on the Yahoo! group. My cat loves it, and the others  
around here do, too. I think it would draw MeMe away from the Fancy  
Feast, and it's very wholesome stuff. Unlike most canned cat foods,  
it contains no grains.


I'll keep little MeMe in my prayers.

Lance


On May 28, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Jane Lyons wrote:


thank you all for your encouragement and sound advise.

Has anyone been able to cure stomatitis ?
We are working on diarrhea, giardia (which is probably
causing the diarrhea) sneezing (which is beginning to subside)
and a clear discharge from her eyes.

My homeopathic vet is hopeful that a new probiotic (FortiFlora)
will help boost her immunity. She also prescribed liquid DMG and
Archetype, which she does not like. I am trying to wean her from
Fancy Feast with a variety of organic raw meat/foul that she shows no
interest in.

I wish I could send a photo of her on the top branch of a 60'magnolia
the day before the diagnosis. She gets up and down trees faster than
squirrels do. My vet said she cannot go out, but I have not had  
the heart
to tell her. I just want her to be happy. She hangs out directly  
under a

bird feeder, hidden in liriope with the tips of her ears showing.

Jane

Re: stomatitis

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Why did your vet say she could not go out?  Can she go out when she  
gets over all the stuff she has?  Little Mamie always went out  
sometimes with us and sometimes on her own.  Fortunately we were in a  
very safe neighborhood and she would go out at five AM and stay out  
until ten at night.  (She could always get in through her little cat  
door--it got locked at night when she came in.  She came in when I  
called!  She would buzz in and out the cat door all day long for a  
snack or to say "Hi!"  She used to chase all the other cats away!   
And she would puff up like a raccoon at the dogs (all leashed here.)   
Really amusing!


Don't make her stay in her entire life.  Animals need the sun's rays  
the way everyone on the surface of the planet does.  Mamie seemed to  
become much healthier when she could be outside.  AND she was the  
only cat I knew who would sit in the middle of the yard with  
lightning flashing and thunder booming!  I couldn't believe it! 
She was quite a brave little girl!


My little Sammy's homeopathic vet gives him 6 drops of omega 3 fish  
oil/day, 1/2 cap of l-lysine/day and 1/4-1/2 cap of bovine colostrum  
for his little immune system.



Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 28, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Jane Lyons wrote:


thank you all for your encouragement and sound advise.

Has anyone been able to cure stomatitis ?
We are working on diarrhea, giardia (which is probably
causing the diarrhea) sneezing (which is beginning to subside)
and a clear discharge from her eyes.

My homeopathic vet is hopeful that a new probiotic (FortiFlora)
will help boost her immunity. She also prescribed liquid DMG and
Archetype, which she does not like. I am trying to wean her from
Fancy Feast with a variety of organic raw meat/foul that she shows no
interest in.

I wish I could send a photo of her on the top branch of a 60'magnolia
the day before the diagnosis. She gets up and down trees faster than
squirrels do. My vet said she cannot go out, but I have not had the  
heart
to tell her. I just want her to be happy. She hangs out directly  
under a

bird feeder, hidden in liriope with the tips of her ears showing.

Jane

Virbagen Omega

[Jane Lyons]

Thanks for the information Lance.
I will ask my vet about it tomorrow
as well as the Innova-EVO and Transfer Factor.

She has given me the Maitake DMG. I've been
giving it to her twice a day since Friday.

I am so grateful to have found this list. I was
thinking how isolated and scary it would
be to confront this disease without the web
and Google and kind people who really love
cats and are in the same boat.

Hoping Kisa has a good night.

Jane

Re: questions

[Marylyn]

Yes and add a few more %^&*()&^^&$%#$*s.  But they are here to help us grow, 
to realize that the now is so very important.  If we let them they expand 
our lives, our ability to love, to care for physically, emotionally, 
spiritually---in every way.  If they weren't sent to us with a purpose how 
could they find their ways into our lives and hearts  Especially 
with the awful odds of strays, ferals, throw-aways???







If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: questions



At 06:33 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:
It is so blank blank hard.

I do my best to remember that it is the quality not quantity, For they are 
truly blessed they do count the days or months...they love the belly 
rubs and snuggles and just enjoy each moment.

We need to learn from them.
My little Max is a big fluffy love bug and I am grateful he is with us.
Kelly L



Dear Jane,

Just remember how thrilled you were at little MeMe the mite as a baby
and you'll begin to forget that sadness and shock of the FeLV+
diagnosis.  Because, remember, MeMe is the very same, no different
than before her diagnosis.  And she never wanted to come into your
life to bring sadness and regret, never.  She's there with you for joy.

My little Mamie was the most joyous cat I ever had.  My friend Linda,
the vet tech who helped to save her life when she was a baby, feels
the little sick ones have a special sweetness and happiness to them-- and 
you are privy to that sweetness and happiness now.  Every

birthday now is a real treat--a REAL BIRTHDAY!

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 28, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Jane Lyons wrote:


Cassandra you and Kisa are in my thoughts and prayers.

Does the anxiety and sadness ever go away? I feel as though
I am still in shock with the diagnosis. I feel I am back to the place
 I was when my 19 year old (NoNo) was failing and I would wake up
every
few hours to make sure she was ok. The feelings of impending loss
and sadness became like a low grade fever for many months. When it
became clear that she was in pain and had to cross, I was prepared and
relieved to be free of the fear and anxiety and sadness that became
a part
of the end of her long and happy life and our infinite bond.

When I brought this kitten (MeMe) home, I was exhilarated by her
sweetness and
smitten by the antics of a young cat. It had been a long time since
someone had
propelled themselves across the room from a counter top to the back
of my neck.
She sleeps between us in the same spot that NoNo had for 19 years.

The Feline Leukemia diagnosis has brought back the sadness and
bittersweet feelings
of loss and mortality and connectedness. While I am committed to
doing whatever I can to
give her the best care and support available, will I ever be able
to hold her and kiss her
without a surge of sadness and regret and longing? Does the shock
of this disease ever move
to a place of acceptance and appreciation for the present time and
moment.

I realize that what I am asking has to do with my own consciousness
and ability to live in
the moment with gratitude that I selected this dear, sweet being to
love and care for.
She's sitting on my lap, purring and I am typing. I guess that is
an answer.

Thanks for listening.
Jane






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Re: Kelley

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

If you lightly tap the nose right inner corner of the eye the eye  
should blink.  An old vet trick.


Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 28, 2007, at 11:14 AM, Pam Norman wrote:

Ok, glad she can close them. But she COULD be blind. That would  
account for the non-response.


Kelley Saveika wrote:
I just got off the phone with them.  She is now sleeping with her  
eyes

closed.  So she can close them, she just doesn't have the reflex that
lets her know if someone is going to poke her in the eye that she
should close them.

On 5/28/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am wondering too if she is blind.  I don't know of seizures can  
cause

that but whatever neurological thing that caused the seizures might
have. The other problem is that if she cannot blink or close her  
eyes
then she cannot lubricate the surface of the eye & the vets MUST  
give

her drops!  Call them & ask about that.

Pam

Kelley Saveika wrote:
> No, her eyes are not reactive at all.
>
> I don't think she can close her eyes.  I did not see her close her
> eyes or blink at any point past the first seizure.
>
> I do not know what happens when she is sleeping, though.  I  
will ask

> when I go in to see her after work.
>
> I'm wondering if she is blind..can seizures cause blindness?  I'm
> really lost here.
>
>
> On 5/27/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> And her eyes are not reactive? At all?
>>
>> If she can't blink, does that mean she can't close her eyes?
>>
>>
>> P
>>
>> Kelley Saveika wrote:
>> > Well, she moved her head...but she can't blink her eyes...so  
it is

>> > hard to say if she is moving her head because i am there..
>> >
>> > On 5/27/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> How does she respond to you?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Kelley Saveika wrote:
>> >> > Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I  
am paying
>> >> > dearly.  They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet.   
She's

>> being
>> >> > monitored around the clock.  I've called up there 5 times  
today

>> >> > starting at 6 am and been there once.
>> >> >
>> >> > On 5/27/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If  
they're closed
>> >> >> tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact  
about

>> seeing
>> >> >> her? Did they say what they mean about being non- 
responsive?

>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Have you ever  had a cat before that had seizures?  My  
Paddy,

>> who is
>> >> >> >now 22, had one about 2 years ago & has never had another,
>> knock on
>> >> >> >wood. Apparently this happens.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Pam
>> >> >> >
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Re: Kelley

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

If her eyes are open and she is not blinking at all she needs  
eyedrops so her cornea does not dry out.  If she is drugged up enough  
to stop the seizures that may cause her to be so dopey that she  
doesn't blink nearly as often.  When I went to visit The 3 Orange  
Boyz at the vet's right after their neutering they were so incredibly  
doped up they just gazed at me with big round eyes, very amusing in  
their cases!  Their vet Auntie Dr. Val had placed each little kitten  
chin on the top of his soft stuffed animal (they each have one, of  
course).


Their mommy,

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 28, 2007, at 9:11 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:


No, her eyes are not reactive at all.

I don't think she can close her eyes.  I did not see her close her
eyes or blink at any point past the first seizure.

I do not know what happens when she is sleeping, though.  I will ask
when I go in to see her after work.

I'm wondering if she is blind..can seizures cause blindness?  I'm
really lost here.


On 5/27/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

And her eyes are not reactive? At all?

If she can't blink, does that mean she can't close her eyes?


P

Kelley Saveika wrote:
> Well, she moved her head...but she can't blink her eyes...so it is
> hard to say if she is moving her head because i am there..
>
> On 5/27/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> How does she respond to you?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kelley Saveika wrote:
>> > Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am  
paying
>> > dearly.  They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet.   
She's being

>> > monitored around the clock.  I've called up there 5 times today
>> > starting at 6 am and been there once.
>> >
>> > On 5/27/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're  
closed
>> >> tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact  
about seeing

>> >> her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive?
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Have you ever  had a cat before that had seizures?  My  
Paddy, who is
>> >> >now 22, had one about 2 years ago & has never had another,  
knock on

>> >> >wood. Apparently this happens.
>> >> >
>> >> >Pam
>> >> >
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Re: A little more on the topic of pee

[Marylyn]

They definitely know what they are doing.  I've used Feliway to calm cats and 
an alternative vet recommends Cat Nap and various flower essences including 
Rescue Remedy.  Feliway is supposed to help with peeing problemsI've 
never had to use it for that (Thank God and all the Angels) but it sure works 
to calm my little friends and ferals I've had treated/spayed/neutered.   A 
black light will tell where they have gone and where extra cleaning is needed 
to remove odor (even that only a cat can smell) and reduce the urge to go in 
the same place.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: C & J 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:53 PM
  Subject: Re: A little more on the topic of pee


  Oh I know they do it on purpose.  One of my cats left a nice brown present 
for me right on my pillow the day we took Tomi in.  She never did that before 
or since.

  Cassandra
- Original Message - 
From: MaryChristine 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: A little more on the topic of pee


i get such a kick out of the "experts" who say that cats don't do this on 
purpose, or don't hold grudges. have they never LIVED with them?? the 
little beasts know EXACTLY what they're doing, i'm convinced of it! and, yes, 
are giggling behind their paws as we discover their gifts and surprises! 




On 5/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  Oh, we always close the door.  Same with the microwave.  We close doors 
on toaster ovens and microwaves to protect the food that we've hidden from the 
cats.

  My mother was punished this morning for not getting up and cleaning 
litterboxes quickly enough.  She awoke to the smell of poop.  Two of her cats 
had managed to poop down a heating vent.  At least she has until winter to take 
the thing apart and clean it out. 


  Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
At 04:31 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


I purchased a fireplace screen at a yard sale for Cat House on the 
Kings...I may be able to protect my space heater in the 
fall..then again I may not
Kelly


>The toaster oven is NOT safe UNLESS you remember to ALWAYS close the 
>door! My Sunset became annoyed when I went out of town overnight & 
>she peed into the toaster oven. I didn't suspect a thing until I 
>tried to toast an English muffin. The stench was horrible! So do 
>NOT assume that toaster ovens are safe. Cats are VERY creative. 
>Remember what Fluffy did to my friends' winshield washers!
>
>Pam
>
>Susan Hoffman wrote:
>>And there was the time that Trixie got my roommate's toaster
>>
>>It was late at night. I was lyinjg in bed reading, pinned in place 
>>by cats on either side. I smell what smells like a skunk. So I 
>>assume we have a skunk in the yard. Not the first time. No big 
>>deal. I think nothing of it.
>>
>>Next morning my roommate mentions the skunk to me. And how he was 
>>making toast at the time. And how he felt a little ill after 
>>eating the toastSlowly, it dawns on us. That was no 
>>skunk. Trixie peed in the toaster. AND HE ATE IT! Is that why 
>>Trixie was giggling?
>>
>>Larry is convinced that Trixie did this on purpose. She knows 
>>mommy NEVER eats toast. He's probably right. 
>>
>>The toaster has been replaced by a toaster over. But I think I 
>>caught Trixie reading the schematics. She's very clever.
>>
>>If Trixie offers you toast, decline.
>>

>>*/Nina /* wrote:
>>
>> Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again.
>> Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. 
>> Nina
>>
>> Susan Hoffman wrote:
>> > This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I
>> > removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop 
>> -- I
>> > use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned
>> > catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish
>> > drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I
>> wound up
>> > pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer. 
>> >
>> > One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of
>> > strong coffee befo

Re: questions

[Kelly L]

At 06:33 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:
It is so blank blank hard.

I do my best to remember that it is the quality not quantity, For 
they are truly blessed they do count the days or months...they 
love the belly rubs and snuggles and just enjoy each moment.

We need to learn from them.
My little Max is a big fluffy love bug and I am grateful he is with us.
Kelly L



Dear Jane,

Just remember how thrilled you were at little MeMe the mite as a baby
and you'll begin to forget that sadness and shock of the FeLV+
diagnosis.  Because, remember, MeMe is the very same, no different
than before her diagnosis.  And she never wanted to come into your
life to bring sadness and regret, never.  She's there with you for joy.

My little Mamie was the most joyous cat I ever had.  My friend Linda,
the vet tech who helped to save her life when she was a baby, feels
the little sick ones have a special sweetness and happiness to 
them-- and you are privy to that sweetness and happiness now.  Every

birthday now is a real treat--a REAL BIRTHDAY!

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 28, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Jane Lyons wrote:


Cassandra you and Kisa are in my thoughts and prayers.

Does the anxiety and sadness ever go away? I feel as though
I am still in shock with the diagnosis. I feel I am back to the place
 I was when my 19 year old (NoNo) was failing and I would wake up
every
few hours to make sure she was ok. The feelings of impending loss
and sadness became like a low grade fever for many months. When it
became clear that she was in pain and had to cross, I was prepared and
relieved to be free of the fear and anxiety and sadness that became
a part
of the end of her long and happy life and our infinite bond.

When I brought this kitten (MeMe) home, I was exhilarated by her
sweetness and
smitten by the antics of a young cat. It had been a long time since
someone had
propelled themselves across the room from a counter top to the back
of my neck.
She sleeps between us in the same spot that NoNo had for 19 years.

The Feline Leukemia diagnosis has brought back the sadness and
bittersweet feelings
of loss and mortality and connectedness. While I am committed to
doing whatever I can to
give her the best care and support available, will I ever be able
to hold her and kiss her
without a surge of sadness and regret and longing? Does the shock
of this disease ever move
to a place of acceptance and appreciation for the present time and
moment.

I realize that what I am asking has to do with my own consciousness
and ability to live in
the moment with gratitude that I selected this dear, sweet being to
love and care for.
She's sitting on my lap, purring and I am typing. I guess that is
an answer.

Thanks for listening.
Jane






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Re: questions

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Animal Communicator is a good idea.  MartaWilliams.com told me about  
Mamie and how she came to be found alone at that golf course in  
Michigan.


Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 28, 2007, at 8:37 AM, Marylyn wrote:

First you need to verbalize your fears and concerns, not keep them  
inside and this group is very good at listening and being non- 
judgmental.


No, you don't get over itat least I don't.  But, hopefully,  
you get to the point that you don't let the future ruin the  
present.  None of us know when or how we are going to die.  Even  
the person in a hospital who has been told he will die tomorrow may  
live or die earlier.  You may step in front of a car or be under a  
falling airplane.  Try not to obsess over it and enjoy the  
present.  Dixie is doing a very good job of teaching me this. I  
take her to regular vets (not often, she is very healthy) and to  
alternative vets (fairly regularly just to keep up her immune  
system). Dixie has the opportunity to talk to some ACs I know and I  
have hired Ann Baumbach to talk to her when those who know her are  
too close to a situation.  Yes, you worry.  Then you do every thing  
in your power and with her consent to keep her healthy and much  
more importantly happy.  Dixie is now on Primal raw food  
supplemented by some very good canned foods (no grains thank you)  
and home cooked meals.  Believe it or not she enjoys broccoli and  
carrots finely chopped and mixed with her food.  I buy organic for  
her whenever possible-don't ask what I buy for me.  I use Brush  
Away on her teeth since FeLV can cause problems there and she does  
have some.  An alterative vet recommended it and all you do is put  
it in their mouths.  A great preventative for your dear.


Don't regret having the love of this little one or loving  
herregret that she has been exposed to FeLV but know that  
it is not a death sentence. Dixie has honored me with her very  
healthy and happy presence for over two years now.  Soon she will  
have the second anniversary of her diagnosis.  Had it not been for  
that she would still be living outside with the other ferals/strays/ 
throw-always who visit my Mom for food and shelter.  The test  
proved to be a blessing for me since it put her very much in my  
life and perhaps for her given her circumstances then and now.


You may want to consider talking to an AC with MeMe.  Explain your  
fears and love to MeMe and ask her to help you live in the  
present.  She is picking up your anxiety and that is not good for  
either of you.  She needs to understand what is going on.


Blessings to you.






If you have men who  
will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of  
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise  
with their fellow man.
  
St. Francis
- Original Message - From: "Jane Lyons"  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 8:11 AM
Subject: questions



Cassandra you and Kisa are in my thoughts and prayers.

Does the anxiety and sadness ever go away? I feel as though
I am still in shock with the diagnosis. I feel I am back to the place
 I was when my 19 year old (NoNo) was failing and I would wake up  
every

few hours to make sure she was ok. The feelings of impending loss
and sadness became like a low grade fever for many months. When it
became clear that she was in pain and had to cross, I was prepared  
and
relieved to be free of the fear and anxiety and sadness that  
became a part

of the end of her long and happy life and our infinite bond.

When I brought this kitten (MeMe) home, I was exhilarated by her  
sweetness and
smitten by the antics of a young cat. It had been a long time  
since someone had
propelled themselves across the room from a counter top to the  
back of my neck.

She sleeps between us in the same spot that NoNo had for 19 years.

The Feline Leukemia diagnosis has brought back the sadness and  
bittersweet feelings
of loss and mortality and connectedness. While I am committed to  
doing whatever I can to
give her the best care and support available, will I ever be able  
to hold her and kiss her
without a surge of sadness and regret and longing? Does the shock  
of this disease ever move
to a place of acceptance and appreciation for the present time and  
moment.


I realize that what I am asking has to do with my own  
consciousness and ability to live in
the moment with gratitude that I selected this dear, sweet being  
to love and care for.
She's sitting on my lap, purring and I am typing. I guess that is  
an answer.


Thanks for listening.
Jane

Re: questions

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Dear Jane,

Just remember how thrilled you were at little MeMe the mite as a baby  
and you'll begin to forget that sadness and shock of the FeLV+  
diagnosis.  Because, remember, MeMe is the very same, no different  
than before her diagnosis.  And she never wanted to come into your  
life to bring sadness and regret, never.  She's there with you for joy.


My little Mamie was the most joyous cat I ever had.  My friend Linda,  
the vet tech who helped to save her life when she was a baby, feels  
the little sick ones have a special sweetness and happiness to them-- 
and you are privy to that sweetness and happiness now.  Every  
birthday now is a real treat--a REAL BIRTHDAY!


Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 28, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Jane Lyons wrote:


Cassandra you and Kisa are in my thoughts and prayers.

Does the anxiety and sadness ever go away? I feel as though
I am still in shock with the diagnosis. I feel I am back to the place
 I was when my 19 year old (NoNo) was failing and I would wake up  
every

few hours to make sure she was ok. The feelings of impending loss
and sadness became like a low grade fever for many months. When it
became clear that she was in pain and had to cross, I was prepared and
relieved to be free of the fear and anxiety and sadness that became  
a part

of the end of her long and happy life and our infinite bond.

When I brought this kitten (MeMe) home, I was exhilarated by her  
sweetness and
smitten by the antics of a young cat. It had been a long time since  
someone had
propelled themselves across the room from a counter top to the back  
of my neck.

She sleeps between us in the same spot that NoNo had for 19 years.

The Feline Leukemia diagnosis has brought back the sadness and  
bittersweet feelings
of loss and mortality and connectedness. While I am committed to  
doing whatever I can to
give her the best care and support available, will I ever be able  
to hold her and kiss her
without a surge of sadness and regret and longing? Does the shock  
of this disease ever move
to a place of acceptance and appreciation for the present time and  
moment.


I realize that what I am asking has to do with my own consciousness  
and ability to live in
the moment with gratitude that I selected this dear, sweet being to  
love and care for.
She's sitting on my lap, purring and I am typing. I guess that is  
an answer.


Thanks for listening.
Jane

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Hello,
 
How much do you give a kitten before their next retest ( first one, weak 
positive).  Mg??  xday??  etc.  Weight 2.5 - 3.0.
Thanks to all..
Rett

need advice for exposed cat

[MarieG]

Hi everyone, 
   
  I have learned a lot by reading some of these posts. My cat recently died. It 
was a shock to me as my cat stayed in doors and tested negative when I got him. 
He lived for three years and always seemed to be healthy until the last month 
of his life. He got very sick quickly. I didn't know anything about felv when 
he was dx. He also was vaccinated by the way. 
   
  i have a two year old female cat, Chica. She was recently tested and is 
negative. Should she be tested again? She lived with my other cat for two 
years. 
   
  I'm also wondering whether or not she should get the booster for leukemia if 
she's not exposed to it anymore? The vet said it's possible she could have it 
but he thinks there's a good chance she wont' get it. 
   
  She stays in doors and i'm not planning on getting another cat right away. I 
still have a lot to learn.  I hope she stays negative but i'm constantly 
worried about her getting felv. My male cat died about a month ago. It's still 
a shock. 
   
  thanks 
   
  mary


   
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Re: A little more on the topic of pee

[C & J]

Oh I know they do it on purpose.  One of my cats left a nice brown present for 
me right on my pillow the day we took Tomi in.  She never did that before or 
since.

Cassandra
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryChristine 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:14 PM
  Subject: Re: A little more on the topic of pee


  i get such a kick out of the "experts" who say that cats don't do this on 
purpose, or don't hold grudges. have they never LIVED with them?? the 
little beasts know EXACTLY what they're doing, i'm convinced of it! and, yes, 
are giggling behind their paws as we discover their gifts and surprises! 




  On 5/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Oh, we always close the door.  Same with the microwave.  We close doors on 
toaster ovens and microwaves to protect the food that we've hidden from the 
cats.

My mother was punished this morning for not getting up and cleaning 
litterboxes quickly enough.  She awoke to the smell of poop.  Two of her cats 
had managed to poop down a heating vent.  At least she has until winter to take 
the thing apart and clean it out. 


Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  At 04:31 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


  I purchased a fireplace screen at a yard sale for Cat House on the 
  Kings...I may be able to protect my space heater in the 
  fall..then again I may not
  Kelly


  >The toaster oven is NOT safe UNLESS you remember to ALWAYS close the 
  >door! My Sunset became annoyed when I went out of town overnight & 
  >she peed into the toaster oven. I didn't suspect a thing until I 
  >tried to toast an English muffin. The stench was horrible! So do 
  >NOT assume that toaster ovens are safe. Cats are VERY creative. 
  >Remember what Fluffy did to my friends' winshield washers!
  >
  >Pam
  >
  >Susan Hoffman wrote:
  >>And there was the time that Trixie got my roommate's toaster
  >>
  >>It was late at night. I was lyinjg in bed reading, pinned in place 
  >>by cats on either side. I smell what smells like a skunk. So I 
  >>assume we have a skunk in the yard. Not the first time. No big 
  >>deal. I think nothing of it.
  >>
  >>Next morning my roommate mentions the skunk to me. And how he was 
  >>making toast at the time. And how he felt a little ill after 
  >>eating the toastSlowly, it dawns on us. That was no 
  >>skunk. Trixie peed in the toaster. AND HE ATE IT! Is that why 
  >>Trixie was giggling?
  >>
  >>Larry is convinced that Trixie did this on purpose. She knows 
  >>mommy NEVER eats toast. He's probably right. 
  >>
  >>The toaster has been replaced by a toaster over. But I think I 
  >>caught Trixie reading the schematics. She's very clever.
  >>
  >>If Trixie offers you toast, decline.
  >>

  >>*/Nina /* wrote:
  >>
  >> Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again.
  >> Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. 
  >> Nina
  >>
  >> Susan Hoffman wrote:
  >> > This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I
  >> > removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop 
  >> -- I
  >> > use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned
  >> > catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish
  >> > drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I
  >> wound up
  >> > pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer. 
  >> >
  >> > One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of
  >> > strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.
  >>
  >>
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  >
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Re: questions

[C & J]

The problems in my little family started on March 9 when I took my poor 
anemic Tomi to the vet and found out he had FeLV.  The next day, I hauled my 
4 other cats to the vet and found out Kisa (2.5 years old, the same as Tomi) 
also tested positive.  I realize now that I was living in a nice ignorant 
bliss before this day.


For me, the anxiety and sadness hasn't been able to go away yet, simply 
because we've been in a state of crisis with 3 different cats ever since. 
When I first learned of the diagnosis, I was so stressed out, I could hardly 
even eat anything for about a week.  Food just turned my stomach.


Then I watched Tomi get worse and worse for nearly 2 months.  His red blood 
cell count kept going down slowly, and the vet wanted to put him to sleep 
before he went into respiratory distress.  Well he very nearly got to that 
point.  It was the worst weekend of my life when he got so bad that I 
thought for sure he would die overnight.  Somehow though, he pulled through 
that, and got better.  He's been getting better for a month now.


Sadly, I haven't had much time to enjoy his recovery, because shortly after 
that, my 15 yr old cat Koda got sick and died in less than a week of acute 
liver and kidney failure.  That may possibly have been cancer, but she went 
too fast to diagnose anything.


We barely buried Koda, when Kisa started vomiting and wouldn't eat.  This 
past weekend watching Kisa fade away, is just as bad if not worse as the 
weekend where Tomi was so sick, because we've had to torment her with force 
feedings.


I'm really getting worn out here.  I don't know if i'll ever recover from 
all of this.


I know how you feel though, I also wake up every couple of hours to check on 
my kitties when they are so sick.  I bring my sick kitties into the bedroom 
where kitties aren't normally allowed.  Kisa has been sleeping between my 
husband and me, and while she is there, I basically only doze, waking up 
frequently to watch her.


I find the hardest part to be the anticipation of losing a baby, and 
watching them get weaker and weaker, wondering if you've done all you can 
possibly do for them.  All I can do is mope around the house, wishing time 
would go by faster, and the worry and sadness are almost too much to bear.


Whether one can find acceptance of the disease, and just appreciate your 
time with them, I don't know because i'm not there yet.  I am full of 
stress, worry, and i'm probably bordering on depression by now.  Maybe if 
things can just stabilize  for awhile, and I can recover from the emotional 
and financial strain, i'll be able to relax and appreciate my babies while I 
have them.


Just pray that MeMe will be one of the kitties that can live for many years 
without showing any serious signs of the disease.  There's no sense worrying 
about her a great deal if she is relatively healthy.  Just giver her extra 
love, a healthy diet, and whatever supplements you can that may boost her 
immune system.


This whole nightmare has definately changed my life a great deal.  It has 
removed alot of my blissful ignorance, and taught me not to take for granted 
today, what I could lose tomorrow.  I just hope I can regain some happiness, 
if and when this ordeal will ever come to an end.


Cassandra


- Original Message - 
From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 8:11 AM
Subject: questions



Cassandra you and Kisa are in my thoughts and prayers.

Does the anxiety and sadness ever go away? I feel as though
I am still in shock with the diagnosis. I feel I am back to the place
 I was when my 19 year old (NoNo) was failing and I would wake up every
few hours to make sure she was ok. The feelings of impending loss
and sadness became like a low grade fever for many months. When it
became clear that she was in pain and had to cross, I was prepared and
relieved to be free of the fear and anxiety and sadness that became a part
of the end of her long and happy life and our infinite bond.

When I brought this kitten (MeMe) home, I was exhilarated by her sweetness 
and
smitten by the antics of a young cat. It had been a long time since 
someone had
propelled themselves across the room from a counter top to the back of my 
neck.

She sleeps between us in the same spot that NoNo had for 19 years.

The Feline Leukemia diagnosis has brought back the sadness and bittersweet 
feelings
of loss and mortality and connectedness. While I am committed to doing 
whatever I can to
give her the best care and support available, will I ever be able to hold 
her and kiss her
without a surge of sadness and regret and longing? Does the shock of this 
disease ever move

to a place of acceptance and appreciation for the present time and moment.

I realize that what I am asking has to do with my own consciousness and 
ability to live in
the moment with gratitude that I selected this dear, sweet being to love 
and care for.
She's sitting on my lap, purring and I am typing

Re: A little more on the topic of pee

[MaryChristine]

i get such a kick out of the "experts" who say that cats don't do this on
purpose, or don't hold grudges. have they never LIVED with them?? the
little beasts know EXACTLY what they're doing, i'm convinced of it! and,
yes, are giggling behind their paws as we discover their gifts and
surprises!



On 5/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Oh, we always close the door.  Same with the microwave.  We close doors on
toaster ovens and microwaves to protect the food that we've hidden from the
cats.

My mother was punished this morning for not getting up and cleaning
litterboxes quickly enough.  She awoke to the smell of poop.  Two of her
cats had managed to poop down a heating vent.  At least she has until winter
to take the thing apart and clean it out.

*Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

At 04:31 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


I purchased a fireplace screen at a yard sale for Cat House on the
Kings...I may be able to protect my space heater in the
fall..then again I may not
Kelly


>The toaster oven is NOT safe UNLESS you remember to ALWAYS close the
>door! My Sunset became annoyed when I went out of town overnight &
>she peed into the toaster oven. I didn't suspect a thing until I
>tried to toast an English muffin. The stench was horrible! So do
>NOT assume that toaster ovens are safe. Cats are VERY creative.
>Remember what Fluffy did to my friends' winshield washers!
>
>Pam
>
>Susan Hoffman wrote:
>>And there was the time that Trixie got my roommate's toaster
>>
>>It was late at night. I was lyinjg in bed reading, pinned in place
>>by cats on either side. I smell what smells like a skunk. So I
>>assume we have a skunk in the yard. Not the first time. No big
>>deal. I think nothing of it.
>>
>>Next morning my roommate mentions the skunk to me. And how he was
>>making toast at the time. And how he felt a little ill after
>>eating the toastSlowly, it dawns on us. That was no
>>skunk. Trixie peed in the toaster. AND HE ATE IT! Is that why
>>Trixie was giggling?
>>
>>Larry is convinced that Trixie did this on purpose. She knows
>>mommy NEVER eats toast. He's probably right.
>>
>>The toaster has been replaced by a toaster over. But I think I
>>caught Trixie reading the schematics. She's very clever.
>>
>>If Trixie offers you toast, decline.
>>
>>*/Nina /* wrote:
>>
>> Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again.
>> Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister.
>> Nina
>>
>> Susan Hoffman wrote:
>> > This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I
>> > removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop
>> -- I
>> > use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned
>> > catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish
>> > drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I
>> wound up
>> > pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer.
>> >
>> > One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of
>> > strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.
>>
>>
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Re: A little more on the topic of pee

[Susan Hoffman]

Oh, we always close the door.  Same with the microwave.  We close doors on 
toaster ovens and microwaves to protect the food that we've hidden from the 
cats.
   
  My mother was punished this morning for not getting up and cleaning 
litterboxes quickly enough.  She awoke to the smell of poop.  Two of her cats 
had managed to poop down a heating vent.  At least she has until winter to take 
the thing apart and clean it out.

Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  At 04:31 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


I purchased a fireplace screen at a yard sale for Cat House on the 
Kings...I may be able to protect my space heater in the 
fall..then again I may not
Kelly


>The toaster oven is NOT safe UNLESS you remember to ALWAYS close the 
>door! My Sunset became annoyed when I went out of town overnight & 
>she peed into the toaster oven. I didn't suspect a thing until I 
>tried to toast an English muffin. The stench was horrible! So do 
>NOT assume that toaster ovens are safe. Cats are VERY creative. 
>Remember what Fluffy did to my friends' winshield washers!
>
>Pam
>
>Susan Hoffman wrote:
>>And there was the time that Trixie got my roommate's toaster
>>
>>It was late at night. I was lyinjg in bed reading, pinned in place 
>>by cats on either side. I smell what smells like a skunk. So I 
>>assume we have a skunk in the yard. Not the first time. No big 
>>deal. I think nothing of it.
>>
>>Next morning my roommate mentions the skunk to me. And how he was 
>>making toast at the time. And how he felt a little ill after 
>>eating the toastSlowly, it dawns on us. That was no 
>>skunk. Trixie peed in the toaster. AND HE ATE IT! Is that why 
>>Trixie was giggling?
>>
>>Larry is convinced that Trixie did this on purpose. She knows 
>>mommy NEVER eats toast. He's probably right.
>>
>>The toaster has been replaced by a toaster over. But I think I 
>>caught Trixie reading the schematics. She's very clever.
>>
>>If Trixie offers you toast, decline.
>>
>>*/Nina /* wrote:
>>
>> Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again.
>> Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister.
>> Nina
>>
>> Susan Hoffman wrote:
>> > This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I
>> > removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop
>> -- I
>> > use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned
>> > catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish
>> > drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I
>> wound up
>> > pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer.
>> >
>> > One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of
>> > strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.
>>
>>
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Re: Update on Kisa

[Kelly L]

At 04:41 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:



I am so sorry you are both going through this. this is what we all 
face, thank goodness for wach other. I am sure Kisa was glad to have 
you visit and she must be feeling better not to be so dehydrated. 
Those are good things, I am probably way off base but is there a 
chance theliver is enlarged due to lipidosis or it it remarkably enlarged,
Sadly cancer is so common with our special FELV angels. I have heard 
that theri response to treatment is as good as a non FELV cat, but 
Liver cancer is a very hard one,
She is getting some much needed nutrition and those N.G. ( 
nasogastric) tubes are not uncomfortable. they just look awful...

Please keep us updated and write as often as you like,
We are all here with you.
Kelly Lane

I visited Kisa three times at the vet today, and she's going to be 
spending another night there.  They're keeping her on the IV.  They 
also put in a feeding tube through her nose, so she's got that taped 
to the top of her head, and a cone around her neck.  She seems a 
little more alert, but she didn't get up at all.  She purred while I 
pet her, but it is so hard to see her like this.


They found the presence of Hemobartonella, and she was looking pale, 
so they are giving her doxycycline now instead of batyril.  She 
wasn't anemic on Tuesday, but she may be now.


They also did an X-ray, and it looks like her liver is quite 
enlarged.  The vet figures it probably is cancer.


The only way to know for sure is the liver biopsy, but she is too 
weak for general anesthetic right now.


The nearest place where she can receive cancer treatment is 6-7 
hours away from here.  I didn't ask yet how much this would 
cost.  She would basically start the treatment there, then the vet 
here could probably do the chemo after all the diagnosis is 
done.  I'm really now sure how feasible that would be for me.  I've 
got other kitties to look after, and a job to go to...not to mention 
the cost for a treatment that may or may not help her.


He suggested we wait and see how she is tomorrow after another day on the IV.

What an ordeal..why is it we have to make such hard decisions when 
it comes to the lives of our little ones?  I don't want to put her 
through a bunch of stress and pain just to have her die anyway, and 
wish I hadn't put her through so much.  Yet I find it so hard to 
give up on her.


Cassandra
- Original Message -
From: C & J
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM
Subject: Update on Kisa

Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa.

She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number 
of lymphocytes.  Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, 
possibly lymphosarcoma.


The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her 
liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest 
doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised.


They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not 
sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so 
easily.  They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little 
better and maybe regain some appetite.


I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't 
eaten since Saturday night now.


I don't understand why this is all happening at once.  First I 
watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months.  As soon as 
he started getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver 
failure, and died.  Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being a 
super healthy and active cat to death's door.  I haven't even had 
enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another crisis situation.


This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active cats 
for 12 years.


I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down while 
I was away and my 5 cats were inside.  What is happening now is 
almost worse than that since it is so prolonged and i'm beginning to 
wonder if something I am doing is causing all this (like feeding raw 
food).  I've always kept my cats indoors because I didn't want them 
to get run over by a car, etcbut they seem to be no safer indoors.


Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect me, 
both emotionally and financially.


Cassandra


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Re: Update on Kisa

[C & J]

I visited Kisa three times at the vet today, and she's going to be spending 
another night there.  They're keeping her on the IV.  They also put in a 
feeding tube through her nose, so she's got that taped to the top of her head, 
and a cone around her neck.  She seems a little more alert, but she didn't get 
up at all.  She purred while I pet her, but it is so hard to see her like this.

They found the presence of Hemobartonella, and she was looking pale, so they 
are giving her doxycycline now instead of batyril.  She wasn't anemic on 
Tuesday, but she may be now.

They also did an X-ray, and it looks like her liver is quite enlarged.  The vet 
figures it probably is cancer.

The only way to know for sure is the liver biopsy, but she is too weak for 
general anesthetic right now.

The nearest place where she can receive cancer treatment is 6-7 hours away from 
here.  I didn't ask yet how much this would cost.  She would basically start 
the treatment there, then the vet here could probably do the chemo after all 
the diagnosis is done.  I'm really now sure how feasible that would be for me.  
I've got other kitties to look after, and a job to go to...not to mention the 
cost for a treatment that may or may not help her.

He suggested we wait and see how she is tomorrow after another day on the IV.

What an ordeal..why is it we have to make such hard decisions when it comes to 
the lives of our little ones?  I don't want to put her through a bunch of 
stress and pain just to have her die anyway, and wish I hadn't put her through 
so much.  Yet I find it so hard to give up on her.

Cassandra
  - Original Message - 
  From: C & J 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM
  Subject: Update on Kisa


  Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa.

  She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of 
lymphocytes.  Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly 
lymphosarcoma.

  The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver is to 
do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though 
because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised.

  They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not sure how 
she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so easily.  They're 
hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better and maybe regain some 
appetite.

  I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten since 
Saturday night now.

  I don't understand why this is all happening at once.  First I watched Tomi 
get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months.  As soon as he started getting 
better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver failure, and died.  Now, barely a 
week later Kisa goes from being a super healthy and active cat to death's door. 
 I haven't even had enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another 
crisis situation.

  This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active cats for 12 
years.

  I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down while I was 
away and my 5 cats were inside.  What is happening now is almost worse than 
that since it is so prolonged and i'm beginning to wonder if something I am 
doing is causing all this (like feeding raw food).  I've always kept my cats 
indoors because I didn't want them to get run over by a car, etcbut they 
seem to be no safer indoors.

  Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect me, both 
emotionally and financially.

  Cassandra


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Re: A little more on the topic of pee

[Kelly L]

At 04:31 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


I purchased a fireplace screen at a yard sale for Cat House on the 
Kings...I may be able to protect my space heater in the 
fall..then again I may not

Kelly


The toaster oven is NOT safe UNLESS you remember to ALWAYS close the 
door!  My Sunset became annoyed when I went out of town overnight & 
she peed into the toaster oven. I didn't suspect a thing until I 
tried to toast an English muffin. The stench was horrible!  So do 
NOT assume that toaster ovens are safe.  Cats are VERY creative. 
Remember what Fluffy did to my friends' winshield washers!


Pam

Susan Hoffman wrote:

And there was the time that Trixie got my roommate's toaster

It was late at night.  I was lyinjg in bed reading, pinned in place 
by cats on either side.  I smell what smells like a skunk.  So I 
assume we have a skunk in the yard.  Not the first time.  No big 
deal.  I think nothing of it.


Next morning my roommate mentions the skunk to me.  And how he was 
making toast at the time.  And how he felt a little ill after 
eating the toastSlowly, it dawns on us.  That was no 
skunk.  Trixie peed in the toaster.  AND HE ATE IT!  Is that why 
Trixie was giggling?


Larry is convinced that Trixie did this on purpose.  She knows 
mommy NEVER eats toast.  He's probably right.


The toaster has been replaced by a toaster over.  But I think I 
caught Trixie reading the schematics.  She's very clever.


If Trixie offers you toast, decline.

*/Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again.
Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister.
Nina

Susan Hoffman wrote:
> This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I
> removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop
-- I
> use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned
> catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish
> drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I
wound up
> pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer.
>
> One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of
> strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.







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Re: A little more on the topic of pee

[Pam Norman]

The toaster oven is NOT safe UNLESS you remember to ALWAYS close the 
door!  My Sunset became annoyed when I went out of town overnight & she 
peed into the toaster oven. I didn't suspect a thing until I tried to 
toast an English muffin. The stench was horrible!  So do NOT assume that 
toaster ovens are safe.  Cats are VERY creative. Remember what Fluffy 
did to my friends' winshield washers!


Pam

Susan Hoffman wrote:

And there was the time that Trixie got my roommate's toaster
 
It was late at night.  I was lyinjg in bed reading, pinned in place by 
cats on either side.  I smell what smells like a skunk.  So I assume 
we have a skunk in the yard.  Not the first time.  No big deal.  I 
think nothing of it.
 
Next morning my roommate mentions the skunk to me.  And how he was 
making toast at the time.  And how he felt a little ill after eating 
the toastSlowly, it dawns on us.  That was no skunk.  Trixie peed 
in the toaster.  AND HE ATE IT!  Is that why Trixie was giggling?
 
Larry is convinced that Trixie did this on purpose.  She knows mommy 
NEVER eats toast.  He's probably right.
 
The toaster has been replaced by a toaster over.  But I think I caught 
Trixie reading the schematics.  She's very clever.
 
If Trixie offers you toast, decline.


*/Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again.
Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister.
Nina

Susan Hoffman wrote:
> This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I
> removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop
-- I
> use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned
> catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish
> drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I
wound up
> pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer.
>
> One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of
> strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.

I've Thought of killing them...LOL

[dede hicken]

I'd probably saved myself a lot of money during this
move if I'd divided the ones who pee on
things...actually ANYTHING...with the ones who don't.

Nina, at least you were smart enough to look in the
frying pan.  I didn't, and threw the butter and eggs
in there.  How stupid can one be.  Ane then there is
that burnt onion smell throughout the house...again!!!

I don't know the answer to the problem.  I just put up
with it, and adapt my house.  It has made me a better
housekeeper.  I can't leave anything on the floor or
plastic anywhere.  It is my choice.  That is why we
got the new house all linolium (sp?)

Then there is the fact that my son truly thinks i am
crazy.  He swears his kids won't ever darken my door. 
(as I said before, that's another reason to keep the
cats.) Yes, I know it smells like pee sometimes.  Come
over 1st thing in the AM uninvited and that is what
you get.

People just want the perfect cat like their kids.  You
don't always get what you want, do you?  So, you throw
it away, or do you honor your commitment?

Said enuf'
Dede


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Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****

[Kelly L]

At 01:51 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


Sorry Nina, I am not that generous right now. I  do understand your 
point and I am usually calm and quitely willing to educate..But there 
was no attempt at educating..This has unfortunately not been the 
first issue and as I said i guess I am more in tune with the likes of 
Sea Shepherd...I can't stand by and not voice my displeasure, Someone 
needed to speak up for the doomed cat,
There were many many people there suffering from the loss of an 
animal due to disease, Theri feelings needed to be considered.
There are many wonderful animal groups that can benefit from the tiny 
extra I have to contribute.
Best FIriends does wonderful things,,,I know. But when I can't agree 
with many of theirpolicies it is best i continue on my own,

There are so many in need out there,
Kelly






Well that just wiped the smile from my face.  I was not privy to the 
exchange and have never been to any of the Best Friends forums, but 
I'm assuming that their motive in removing any chastising responses 
was in keeping with an overall effort to maintain the site as a 
"safe" place to express grief, no matter where the "blame" of that 
grief may lie.  I am by no means condoning or advocating humans 
deciding to pts cats because of litterbox avoidance, it turns my 
stomach, the same as it does yours.
I am just pointing out that perhaps the moderators did not feel that 
this was the proper venue for attempting to educate someone that is 
suffering from their lack of judgement and compassion.  My head too 
is bloody from banging it against the brick walls of those I do my 
best to "educate".  I know how frustrating and emotionally 
devastating it can be.  The only way I can continue to reach out to 
those that, (in my eyes), visit atrocities on the helpless is that I 
know sometimes I do get through, sometimes I do make a 
difference.  Even though they sometimes fall short of our 
expectations, Best Friends is a worthy organization that does make a 
difference.  I hope that when the heat of your disappointment 
dissipates you are able to remain an ally to the organization.

Nina

Kelly L wrote:

At 12:59 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


I find this conversation quite timely...You see I have just 
withdrawn my long time support of Best Friends because of something 
similar, I have been member and volunteer with them for almost 10 years.

they have grown which is good.
Well on their prayers and healing forum someone posted  asking for 
prayers and support for their co worker  because they were sad at 
deciding to have their cat PTS ,,killed because she keeps peeing on 
the carpet,..
I replied that I could not give support to such an act and then 
other members  agreed...our posts were pulled and only the ones 
comforting this person were left, i received another demeaning 
letter from the moderator,,,
this is not the first incident of that kind, but this one was the 
"final STraw"
Best Friends does wonderful things, but I am no longer comfortable 
with may of theri policies at this time,

Now I better go mop up pee ...after I get my shoes on of course.(lol)





Sigh.  I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again.
Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. Nina

Susan Hoffman wrote:
This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I 
removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop 
-- I use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of 
canned catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the 
dish drainer.  Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I 
wound up pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer.


One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of 
strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.





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Re: stomatitis

[Marylyn]

Dixie has this and has lost a couple of front teeth.  The Brush Away + good 
diet+supplements seem to help.  She doesn't appear to be in any pain and 
this has gone on for about 2 years.







If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
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From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: stomatitis



thank you all for your encouragement and sound advise.

Has anyone been able to cure stomatitis ?
We are working on diarrhea, giardia (which is probably
causing the diarrhea) sneezing (which is beginning to subside)
and a clear discharge from her eyes.

My homeopathic vet is hopeful that a new probiotic (FortiFlora)
will help boost her immunity. She also prescribed liquid DMG and
Archetype, which she does not like. I am trying to wean her from
Fancy Feast with a variety of organic raw meat/foul that she shows no
interest in.

I wish I could send a photo of her on the top branch of a 60'magnolia
the day before the diagnosis. She gets up and down trees faster than
squirrels do. My vet said she cannot go out, but I have not had the heart
to tell her. I just want her to be happy. She hangs out directly under a
bird feeder, hidden in liriope with the tips of her ears showing.

Jane

Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****

[Marylyn]

A friend killed a 17 year old cat (?) he rescued when he was in college 
because he had a new wife, new stepdaughter, new house + and the cat was 
peeing on the carpet.  I went home and tore up all the carpet.  The only 
saving grace is that Gus would not have had almost 17 years of care had my 
friend not rescued him.  I decided then that there would not be anything on 
the floors that was more valuable than my 4-legged friends.







If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
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From: "Kelly L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 3:17 PM
Subject: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*



At 12:59 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


I find this conversation quite timely...You see I have just withdrawn my 
long time support of Best Friends because of something similar, I have 
been member and volunteer with them for almost 10 years.

they have grown which is good.
Well on their prayers and healing forum someone posted  asking for prayers 
and support for their co worker  because they were sad at deciding to have 
their cat PTS ,,killed because she keeps peeing on the carpet,..
I replied that I could not give support to such an act and then other 
members  agreed...our posts were pulled and only the ones comforting this 
person were left, i received another demeaning letter from the 
moderator,,,
this is not the first incident of that kind, but this one was the "final 
STraw"
Best Friends does wonderful things, but I am no longer comfortable with 
may of theri policies at this time,

Now I better go mop up pee ...after I get my shoes on of course.(lol)





Sigh.  I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again.
Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. Nina

Susan Hoffman wrote:
This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I removed 
what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop -- 
I use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned 
catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish drainer. 
Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I wound up pouring cat 
pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer.


One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of strong 
coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.





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Re: A little more on the topic of pee

[MaryChristine]

oh, heavens. i REALLY needed this post right now! (and really really glad i
don't eat much toast.)

On 5/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


And there was the time that Trixie got my roommate's toaster

It was late at night.  I was lyinjg in bed reading, pinned in place by
cats on either side.  I smell what smells like a skunk.  So I assume we have
a skunk in the yard.  Not the first time.  No big deal.  I think nothing of
it.

Next morning my roommate mentions the skunk to me.  And how he was making
toast at the time.  And how he felt a little ill after eating the
toastSlowly, it dawns on us.  That was no skunk.  Trixie peed in the
toaster.  AND HE ATE IT!  Is that why Trixie was giggling?

Larry is convinced that Trixie did this on purpose.  She knows mommy NEVER
eats toast.  He's probably right.

The toaster has been replaced by a toaster over.  But I think I caught
Trixie reading the schematics.  She's very clever.

If Trixie offers you toast, decline.

*Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again.
Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister.
Nina

Susan Hoffman wrote:
> This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I
> removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop -- I
> use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned
> catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish
> drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I wound up
> pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer.
>
> One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of
> strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.







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Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****

[Nina]

Well that just wiped the smile from my face.  I was not privy to the 
exchange and have never been to any of the Best Friends forums, but I'm 
assuming that their motive in removing any chastising responses was in 
keeping with an overall effort to maintain the site as a "safe" place to 
express grief, no matter where the "blame" of that grief may lie.  I am 
by no means condoning or advocating humans deciding to pts cats because 
of litterbox avoidance, it turns my stomach, the same as it does yours.  
I am just pointing out that perhaps the moderators did not feel that 
this was the proper venue for attempting to educate someone that is 
suffering from their lack of judgement and compassion.  My head too is 
bloody from banging it against the brick walls of those I do my best to 
"educate".  I know how frustrating and emotionally devastating it can 
be.  The only way I can continue to reach out to those that, (in my 
eyes), visit atrocities on the helpless is that I know sometimes I do 
get through, sometimes I do make a difference.  Even though they 
sometimes fall short of our expectations, Best Friends is a worthy 
organization that does make a difference.  I hope that when the heat of 
your disappointment dissipates you are able to remain an ally to the 
organization.

Nina

Kelly L wrote:

At 12:59 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


I find this conversation quite timely...You see I have just withdrawn 
my long time support of Best Friends because of something similar, I 
have been member and volunteer with them for almost 10 years.

they have grown which is good.
Well on their prayers and healing forum someone posted  asking for 
prayers and support for their co worker  because they were sad at 
deciding to have their cat PTS ,,killed because she keeps peeing on 
the carpet,..
I replied that I could not give support to such an act and then other 
members  agreed...our posts were pulled and only the ones comforting 
this person were left, i received another demeaning letter from the 
moderator,,,
this is not the first incident of that kind, but this one was the 
"final STraw"
Best Friends does wonderful things, but I am no longer comfortable 
with may of theri policies at this time,

Now I better go mop up pee ...after I get my shoes on of course.(lol)





Sigh.  I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again.
Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. Nina

Susan Hoffman wrote:
This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I 
removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop -- I 
use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned 
catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish 
drainer.  Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I wound 
up pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer.


One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of 
strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.





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Re: A little more on the topic of pee

[MaryChristine]

hee hee hee all my cats are off packing their bags to move to
catifurrnia

On 5/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


No.  They have me so well trained that I usually feed EVERYONE and will
often clean all the boxes first thing, before I pour a cup of coffee for
myself.  I even clean the bathroom litterbox before stepping into the shower
on a workday morning.

They have me so well trained that, when I buy groceries, I find myself
thinking about who likes the chicken quesadillas and who likes cream cheese
filled pastries.  I find myself buying and eating food based on their tastes
more than my own.

When my roommate got a new job recently very close to the house we both
independently had the same though -- Oh, good.  It's so close that he can
come home at lunch time to give Connie her afternoon dose of anti-seizure
meds.

They have us very well trained.

*MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

you mean you don't do that already?

On 5/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I removed
> what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop -- I use the stove
> as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned catfood ready -- and put
> the frying pan upside down in the dish drainer.  Someone had peed in the
> frying pan overnight and I wound up pouring cat pee all over the clean
> dishes in the drainer.
>
> One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of strong
> coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.
>



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Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****

[Kelly L]

At 12:59 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


I find this conversation quite timely...You see I have just withdrawn 
my long time support of Best Friends because of something similar, I 
have been member and volunteer with them for almost 10 years.

they have grown which is good.
Well on their prayers and healing forum someone posted  asking for 
prayers and support for their co worker  because they were sad at 
deciding to have their cat PTS ,,killed because she keeps peeing on 
the carpet,..
I replied that I could not give support to such an act and then other 
members  agreed...our posts were pulled and only the ones comforting 
this person were left, i received another demeaning letter from the 
moderator,,,

this is not the first incident of that kind, but this one was the "final STraw"
Best Friends does wonderful things, but I am no longer comfortable 
with may of theri policies at this time,

Now I better go mop up pee ...after I get my shoes on of course.(lol)





Sigh.  I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again.
Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. Nina

Susan Hoffman wrote:
This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I 
removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop -- 
I use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned 
catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish 
drainer.  Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I wound 
up pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer.


One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of 
strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.





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Re: A little more on the topic of pee

[Susan Hoffman]

And there was the time that Trixie got my roommate's toaster
   
  It was late at night.  I was lyinjg in bed reading, pinned in place by cats 
on either side.  I smell what smells like a skunk.  So I assume we have a skunk 
in the yard.  Not the first time.  No big deal.  I think nothing of it.
   
  Next morning my roommate mentions the skunk to me.  And how he was making 
toast at the time.  And how he felt a little ill after eating the 
toastSlowly, it dawns on us.  That was no skunk.  Trixie peed in the 
toaster.  AND HE ATE IT!  Is that why Trixie was giggling?
   
  Larry is convinced that Trixie did this on purpose.  She knows mommy NEVER 
eats toast.  He's probably right.
   
  The toaster has been replaced by a toaster over.  But I think I caught Trixie 
reading the schematics.  She's very clever.
   
  If Trixie offers you toast, decline.

Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again. 
Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. 
Nina

Susan Hoffman wrote:
> This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I 
> removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop -- I 
> use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned 
> catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish 
> drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I wound up 
> pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer.
> 
> One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of 
> strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.

Re: A little more on the topic of pee

[Nina]

I at least try to put the coffee on before starting my morning chores.  
You folks probably remember my Spencer...  I had been missing him and 
made a comment that I even missed his voracious appetite and how he 
wouldn't allow me to dish anyone's food in peace.  Just another example 
of 'be careful what you wish for' my newest arrival, (Bobby Spencer 
Clark), has taken up the torch and I am now once again not able to drink 
a sip of coffee before he has his breakfast.  I can't wait until he 
understands the concept of the never-ending-food-bowl.

Nina

Susan Hoffman wrote:
No.  They have me so well trained that I usually feed EVERYONE and 
will often clean all the boxes first thing, before I pour a cup of 
coffee for myself.  I even clean the bathroom litterbox before 
stepping into the shower on a workday morning.
 
They have me so well trained that, when I buy groceries, I find myself 
thinking about who likes the chicken quesadillas and who likes cream 
cheese filled pastries.  I find myself buying and eating food based on 
their tastes more than my own.
 
When my roommate got a new job recently very close to the house we 
both independently had the same though -- Oh, good.  It's so close 
that he can come home at lunch time to give Connie her afternoon dose 
of anti-seizure meds. 
 
They have us very well trained.


*/MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

you mean you don't do that already?

On 5/28/07, *Susan Hoffman* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone,
I removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the
stivetop -- I use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the
plates of canned catfood ready -- and put the frying pan
upside down in the dish drainer.  Someone had peed in the
frying pan overnight and I wound up pouring cat pee all over
the clean dishes in the drainer.
 
One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup

of strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.




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Re: A little more on the topic of pee

[Nina]

Sigh.  I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again.  
Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. 
Nina


Susan Hoffman wrote:
This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I 
removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop -- I 
use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned 
catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish 
drainer.  Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I wound up 
pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer.
 
One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of 
strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.

Re: A little more on the topic of pee

[Susan Hoffman]

No.  They have me so well trained that I usually feed EVERYONE and will often 
clean all the boxes first thing, before I pour a cup of coffee for myself.  I 
even clean the bathroom litterbox before stepping into the shower on a workday 
morning.
   
  They have me so well trained that, when I buy groceries, I find myself 
thinking about who likes the chicken quesadillas and who likes cream cheese 
filled pastries.  I find myself buying and eating food based on their tastes 
more than my own.
   
  When my roommate got a new job recently very close to the house we both 
independently had the same though -- Oh, good.  It's so close that he can come 
home at lunch time to give Connie her afternoon dose of anti-seizure meds.  
   
  They have us very well trained.

MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  you mean you don't do that already?

  On 5/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This morning when I 
headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I removed what I thought was a clean 
frying pan from the stivetop -- I use the stove as a stagingt area to get all 
the plates of canned catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the 
dish drainer.  Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I wound up 
pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer. 
   
  One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of strong 
coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.




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Re: A little more on the topic of pee

[Susan Hoffman]

No.  They have me so well trained that I usually feed EVERYONE and will often 
clean all the boxes first thing, before I pour a cup of coffee for myself.  I 
even clean the bathroom litterbox before stepping into the shower on a workday 
morning.
   
  They have me so well trained that, when I buy groceries, I find myself 
thinking about who likes the chicken quesadillas and who likes cream cheese 
filled pastries.  I find myself buying and eating food based on their tastes 
more than my own.
   
  When my roommate got a new job recently very close to the house we both 
independently had the same though -- Oh, good.  It's so close that he can come 
home at lunch time to give Connie her afternoon dose of anti-seizure meds.  
   
  They have us very well trained.

MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  you mean you don't do that already?

  On 5/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This morning when I 
headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I removed what I thought was a clean 
frying pan from the stivetop -- I use the stove as a stagingt area to get all 
the plates of canned catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the 
dish drainer.  Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I wound up 
pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer. 
   
  One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of strong 
coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.




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Re: A little more on the topic of pee

[MaryChristine]

you mean you don't do that already?

On 5/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I removed
what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop -- I use the stove
as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned catfood ready -- and put
the frying pan upside down in the dish drainer.  Someone had peed in the
frying pan overnight and I wound up pouring cat pee all over the clean
dishes in the drainer.

One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of strong
coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.





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A little more on the topic of pee

[Susan Hoffman]

This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I removed what I 
thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop -- I use the stove as a 
stagingt area to get all the plates of canned catfood ready -- and put the 
frying pan upside down in the dish drainer.  Someone had peed in the frying pan 
overnight and I wound up pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the 
drainer.
   
  One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of strong 
coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.

Re: stomatitis

[Lance]

Jane,

I'm not a vet, but my sense is that boosting the immune system will  
help with the stomatitis. I'm using Liquid DMG and Transfer Factor on  
my cat. My homeopathic vet, like yours, tends to feel good about the  
use of DMG. Vetri-Science also makes a Maitake-DMG Liquid, which  
contains additional ingredients to aid the immune system. It's more  
expensive, but since a bottle of DMG can last Ember three months  
easily, I'm considering it.


I should note that, if you have the time and the resources, Virbagen  
Omega has been known to clear up stomatitis. It's very expensive  
stuff, and it must be imported after the FDA clears your vet for its  
use. It's been used in the treatment of FeLV+ cats by several on the  
list, and it seems to help them a lot, even if they're not doing  
well. Since it requires time to apply for the VO and then get it into  
the States, it's good to start the process if it's something you  
think you might want down the road.


As far as food is concerned, you may have seen my mention of Innova  
EVO over on the Yahoo! group. My cat loves it, and the others around  
here do, too. I think it would draw MeMe away from the Fancy Feast,  
and it's very wholesome stuff. Unlike most canned cat foods, it  
contains no grains.


I'll keep little MeMe in my prayers.

Lance


On May 28, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Jane Lyons wrote:


thank you all for your encouragement and sound advise.

Has anyone been able to cure stomatitis ?
We are working on diarrhea, giardia (which is probably
causing the diarrhea) sneezing (which is beginning to subside)
and a clear discharge from her eyes.

My homeopathic vet is hopeful that a new probiotic (FortiFlora)
will help boost her immunity. She also prescribed liquid DMG and
Archetype, which she does not like. I am trying to wean her from
Fancy Feast with a variety of organic raw meat/foul that she shows no
interest in.

I wish I could send a photo of her on the top branch of a 60'magnolia
the day before the diagnosis. She gets up and down trees faster than
squirrels do. My vet said she cannot go out, but I have not had the  
heart
to tell her. I just want her to be happy. She hangs out directly  
under a

bird feeder, hidden in liriope with the tips of her ears showing.

Jane

Re: stomatitis

[Kelley Saveika]

My cats w/stomatitis have done well after having their teeth pulled.

On 5/28/07, Jane Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

thank you all for your encouragement and sound advise.

Has anyone been able to cure stomatitis ?
We are working on diarrhea, giardia (which is probably
causing the diarrhea) sneezing (which is beginning to subside)
and a clear discharge from her eyes.

My homeopathic vet is hopeful that a new probiotic (FortiFlora)
will help boost her immunity. She also prescribed liquid DMG and
Archetype, which she does not like. I am trying to wean her from
Fancy Feast with a variety of organic raw meat/foul that she shows no
interest in.

I wish I could send a photo of her on the top branch of a 60'magnolia
the day before the diagnosis. She gets up and down trees faster than
squirrels do. My vet said she cannot go out, but I have not had the
heart
to tell her. I just want her to be happy. She hangs out directly under a
bird feeder, hidden in liriope with the tips of her ears showing.

Jane






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stomatitis

[Jane Lyons]

thank you all for your encouragement and sound advise.

Has anyone been able to cure stomatitis ?
We are working on diarrhea, giardia (which is probably
causing the diarrhea) sneezing (which is beginning to subside)
and a clear discharge from her eyes.

My homeopathic vet is hopeful that a new probiotic (FortiFlora)
will help boost her immunity. She also prescribed liquid DMG and
Archetype, which she does not like. I am trying to wean her from
Fancy Feast with a variety of organic raw meat/foul that she shows no
interest in.

I wish I could send a photo of her on the top branch of a 60'magnolia
the day before the diagnosis. She gets up and down trees faster than
squirrels do. My vet said she cannot go out, but I have not had the 
heart

to tell her. I just want her to be happy. She hangs out directly under a
bird feeder, hidden in liriope with the tips of her ears showing.

Jane

Re: Kelley

[Pam Norman]

Ok, glad she can close them. But she COULD be blind. That would account 
for the non-response.


Kelley Saveika wrote:

I just got off the phone with them.  She is now sleeping with her eyes
closed.  So she can close them, she just doesn't have the reflex that
lets her know if someone is going to poke her in the eye that she
should close them.

On 5/28/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I am wondering too if she is blind.  I don't know of seizures can cause
that but whatever neurological thing that caused the seizures might
have. The other problem is that if she cannot blink or close her eyes
then she cannot lubricate the surface of the eye & the vets MUST give
her drops!  Call them & ask about that.

Pam

Kelley Saveika wrote:
> No, her eyes are not reactive at all.
>
> I don't think she can close her eyes.  I did not see her close her
> eyes or blink at any point past the first seizure.
>
> I do not know what happens when she is sleeping, though.  I will ask
> when I go in to see her after work.
>
> I'm wondering if she is blind..can seizures cause blindness?  I'm
> really lost here.
>
>
> On 5/27/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> And her eyes are not reactive? At all?
>>
>> If she can't blink, does that mean she can't close her eyes?
>>
>>
>> P
>>
>> Kelley Saveika wrote:
>> > Well, she moved her head...but she can't blink her eyes...so it is
>> > hard to say if she is moving her head because i am there..
>> >
>> > On 5/27/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> How does she respond to you?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Kelley Saveika wrote:
>> >> > Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am 
paying

>> >> > dearly.  They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet.  She's
>> being
>> >> > monitored around the clock.  I've called up there 5 times today
>> >> > starting at 6 am and been there once.
>> >> >
>> >> > On 5/27/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're 
closed

>> >> >> tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about
>> seeing
>> >> >> her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Have you ever  had a cat before that had seizures?  My Paddy,
>> who is
>> >> >> >now 22, had one about 2 years ago & has never had another,
>> knock on
>> >> >> >wood. Apparently this happens.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Pam
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
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Re: Kelley

[Kelley Saveika]

I just got off the phone with them.  She is now sleeping with her eyes
closed.  So she can close them, she just doesn't have the reflex that
lets her know if someone is going to poke her in the eye that she
should close them.

On 5/28/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I am wondering too if she is blind.  I don't know of seizures can cause
that but whatever neurological thing that caused the seizures might
have. The other problem is that if she cannot blink or close her eyes
then she cannot lubricate the surface of the eye & the vets MUST give
her drops!  Call them & ask about that.

Pam

Kelley Saveika wrote:
> No, her eyes are not reactive at all.
>
> I don't think she can close her eyes.  I did not see her close her
> eyes or blink at any point past the first seizure.
>
> I do not know what happens when she is sleeping, though.  I will ask
> when I go in to see her after work.
>
> I'm wondering if she is blind..can seizures cause blindness?  I'm
> really lost here.
>
>
> On 5/27/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> And her eyes are not reactive? At all?
>>
>> If she can't blink, does that mean she can't close her eyes?
>>
>>
>> P
>>
>> Kelley Saveika wrote:
>> > Well, she moved her head...but she can't blink her eyes...so it is
>> > hard to say if she is moving her head because i am there..
>> >
>> > On 5/27/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> How does she respond to you?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Kelley Saveika wrote:
>> >> > Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying
>> >> > dearly.  They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet.  She's
>> being
>> >> > monitored around the clock.  I've called up there 5 times today
>> >> > starting at 6 am and been there once.
>> >> >
>> >> > On 5/27/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed
>> >> >> tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about
>> seeing
>> >> >> her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Have you ever  had a cat before that had seizures?  My Paddy,
>> who is
>> >> >> >now 22, had one about 2 years ago & has never had another,
>> knock on
>> >> >> >wood. Apparently this happens.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Pam
>> >> >> >
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>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >--
>> >> >> >No virus found in this incoming message.
>> >> >> >Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database:
>> >> >> >269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >--
>> >> >> >No virus found in this incoming message.
>> >> >> >Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database:
>> >> >> >269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
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Re: Kelley

[Pam Norman]

I am wondering too if she is blind.  I don't know of seizures can cause 
that but whatever neurological thing that caused the seizures might 
have. The other problem is that if she cannot blink or close her eyes 
then she cannot lubricate the surface of the eye & the vets MUST give 
her drops!  Call them & ask about that.


Pam

Kelley Saveika wrote:

No, her eyes are not reactive at all.

I don't think she can close her eyes.  I did not see her close her
eyes or blink at any point past the first seizure.

I do not know what happens when she is sleeping, though.  I will ask
when I go in to see her after work.

I'm wondering if she is blind..can seizures cause blindness?  I'm
really lost here.


On 5/27/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

And her eyes are not reactive? At all?

If she can't blink, does that mean she can't close her eyes?


P

Kelley Saveika wrote:
> Well, she moved her head...but she can't blink her eyes...so it is
> hard to say if she is moving her head because i am there..
>
> On 5/27/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> How does she respond to you?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kelley Saveika wrote:
>> > Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying
>> > dearly.  They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet.  She's 
being

>> > monitored around the clock.  I've called up there 5 times today
>> > starting at 6 am and been there once.
>> >
>> > On 5/27/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed
>> >> tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about 
seeing

>> >> her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive?
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Have you ever  had a cat before that had seizures?  My Paddy, 
who is
>> >> >now 22, had one about 2 years ago & has never had another, 
knock on

>> >> >wood. Apparently this happens.
>> >> >
>> >> >Pam
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >No virus found in this incoming message.
>> >> >Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database:
>> >> >269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >No virus found in this incoming message.
>> >> >Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database:
>> >> >269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
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Re: IBD and metronidazole

[Susan Hoffman]

It's early and I may have missed something but WHY does the vet think IBD?
   
  

Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  For diarrhea, generally my regular vets approach is to start with Flagyl and 
high-fiber food.  

  Gloria
  

  

  
On Sep 17, 2006, at 7:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  oy vey, diagnosis is invasive, generally, and thus Lucy never has had a 
proper one. To actually diagnose, they need to do an endoscapy, and sometimes 
they can not definitively diagnose that way either and so need to biopsy a full 
section of the intestine, which means surgery.  What I did with Lucy, and what 
vets will often do, is tried prednisone to see if she responded favorably to 
it. When she did, and also responded favorably to raw food, and she had no 
parasites, etc., we concluded it was IBD.  What IBD is very hard to distinguish 
from, though, is small cell (slow growing) intestinal lymphoma, which is why I 
am always worried when Lucy seems worse.
   
  For a cat who is a recent rescue, though, it could be IBS, which is 
stress-related rather than related to stress allergies or inflammation like 
IBD.  With IBS, if you can keep the stress under control and calm the cat down, 
the diarrhea should get better.  
   
  I think the first thing I would do with a cat with diarrhea that could 
possible be infectious or parasitic in nature is try a week of flagyl and see 
if it helps. It can also help with IBD if the IBD is in the lower (large) 
intestine. If you can, I would also put him on raw food or at least EVO, which 
is a grainless canned and dry food (grains seem to aggravate IBD a lot).  If it 
does not get better, I would talk to a vet and get a stool sample analyzed for 
other parasites or bacteria, and then think about food allergies. I would only 
get the scope or surgical biopsy done as a last resort. Even if lucy does not 
get better from what I am doing and might have lymphoma, I am going to try to 
convince the internist to just try the treatment (leukeran, a chemo agent, in 
addition to the pred), which they give for both small cell lymphoma and severe 
IBD, and see if helps, rather than put her through the stress of the scope or 
surgery. Endoscope for stomach or upper intestine is
 not so bad-- light anesthesia and then a scope without any cutting-- I have 
had this a few times myself. But endoscope for lower intestine, which is where 
Lucy's problem is, requires the vet to give the cat several enemas first and, I 
think, more anesthesia (it's actually like a colonoscopy). Plus once they have 
been on pred it is harder to differentiate IBD from lymphoma anyway.
   
  Michelle
   
  In a message dated 9/17/2006 7:59:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
How is IBD diagnosed? Blood Work? I have a new rescue I am thinking he 
might have it but then again he is declawed has litterbox issues and is scared 
of his own shadow,
   
  Thanks 
  Karen

  
   

Re: questions

[Sheryl Spagg]

Jane,
I am new to all of this as well...My friend and I rescued a mom and 6 kittens 
and the mom ended up being FeLV +.  We were told to put them all to sleep but I 
could not do it...I am the softee of the 2 of us.  I wanted to know more before 
making a decision since so many of my pets have issues anyway...the more I find 
out the more it makes sense NOT to put them to sleep...the more it makes sense 
to give them the life they deserve whether it turns out to be1 year, 5 years, 
10 years or 15-20...it has happened that these positive kitties end up living 
longer lives than negative kitties...be patient and just live for that kitty 
now.  I will not give up on finding this family a home.  We think we may have 
done it already but are not positive.  They go to the vet on Friday for their 
combo tests and momma's is going to be redone.
Give Meme all the love you have and that is enough for her.  By the way I had a 
cat named Peanut that I nicknamed Meme and he lived until he was almost 
20...have hope Jane...we can never lose hope...you have already given her your 
heart now you just need to move on and forget about the diagnosis...
Sheryl

Jane Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Cassandra you and Kisa are in my thoughts 
and prayers.

Does the anxiety and sadness ever go away? I feel as though
I am still in shock with the diagnosis. I feel I am back to the place
  I was when my 19 year old (NoNo) was failing and I would wake up every
few hours to make sure she was ok. The feelings of impending loss
and sadness became like a low grade fever for many months. When it
became clear that she was in pain and had to cross, I was prepared and
relieved to be free of the fear and anxiety and sadness that became a 
part
of the end of her long and happy life and our infinite bond.

When I brought this kitten (MeMe) home, I was exhilarated by her 
sweetness and
smitten by the antics of a young cat. It had been a long time since 
someone had
propelled themselves across the room from a counter top to the back of 
my neck.
She sleeps between us in the same spot that NoNo had for 19 years.

The Feline Leukemia diagnosis has brought back the sadness and 
bittersweet feelings
of loss and mortality and connectedness. While I am committed to doing 
whatever I can to
give her the best care and support available, will I ever be able to 
hold her and kiss her
without a surge of sadness and regret and longing? Does the shock of 
this disease ever move
to a place of acceptance and appreciation for the present time and 
moment.

I realize that what I am asking has to do with my own consciousness and 
ability to live in
the moment with gratitude that I selected this dear, sweet being to 
love and care for.
She's sitting on my lap, purring and I am typing. I guess that is an 
answer.

Thanks for listening.
Jane




   
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Re: Kelley

[Kelley Saveika]

She hasn't actually had a seizure in almost 48 hours.  I think the
reason she is still there is all this neurological abnormality.  Her
temp is normal, she is well hydrated due to IV fluids.  She had a
bowel movement, it was normal.  She's being syringe fed.  She's just
not neurologically responsive.

On 5/28/07, Sheryl Spagg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

One of my cats has seizures and it took me months to get them under control
and it never caused her to go blind.
Sheryl



Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
No, her eyes are not reactive at all.

I don't think she can close her eyes. I did not see her close her
eyes or blink at any point past the first seizure.

I do not know what happens when she is sleeping, though. I will ask
when I go in to see her after work.

I'm wondering if she is blind..can seizures cause blindness? I'm
really lost here.


On 5/27/07, Pam Norman wrote:
> And her eyes are not reactive? At all?
>
> If she can't blink, does that mean she can't close her eyes?
>
>
> P
>
> Kelley Saveika wrote:
> > Well, she moved her head...but she can't blink her eyes...so it is
> > hard to say if she is moving her head because i am there..
> >
> > On 5/27/07, Pam Norman wrote:
> >> How does she respond to you?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Kelley Saveika wrote:
> >> > Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying
> >> > dearly. They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet. She's being
> >> > monitored around the clock. I've called up there 5 times today
> >> > starting at 6 am and been there once.
> >> >
> >> > On 5/27/07, Pam Norman wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed
> >> >> tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about
seeing
> >> >> her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive?
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Have you ever had a cat before that had seizures? My Paddy, who is
> >> >> >now 22, had one about 2 years ago & has never had another, knock on
> >> >> >wood. Apparently this happens.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Pam
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >--
> >> >> >No virus found in this incoming message.
> >> >> >Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database:
> >> >> >269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >--
> >> >> >No virus found in this incoming message.
> >> >> >Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database:
> >> >> >269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
> >> >>
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Re: Kelley

[Sheryl Spagg]

One of my cats has seizures and it took me months to get them under control and 
it never caused her to go blind.  
Sheryl



Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No, her eyes are not reactive at all.

I don't think she can close her eyes.  I did not see her close her
eyes or blink at any point past the first seizure.

I do not know what happens when she is sleeping, though.  I will ask
when I go in to see her after work.

I'm wondering if she is blind..can seizures cause blindness?  I'm
really lost here.


On 5/27/07, Pam Norman 
 wrote:
> And her eyes are not reactive? At all?
>
> If she can't blink, does that mean she can't close her eyes?
>
>
> P
>
> Kelley Saveika wrote:
> > Well, she moved her head...but she can't blink her eyes...so it is
> > hard to say if she is moving her head because i am there..
> >
> > On 5/27/07, Pam Norman 
 wrote:
> >> How does she respond to you?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Kelley Saveika wrote:
> >> > Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying
> >> > dearly.  They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet.  She's being
> >> > monitored around the clock.  I've called up there 5 times today
> >> > starting at 6 am and been there once.
> >> >
> >> > On 5/27/07, Pam Norman 
 wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed
> >> >> tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing
> >> >> her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive?
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Have you ever  had a cat before that had seizures?  My Paddy, who is
> >> >> >now 22, had one about 2 years ago & has never had another, knock on
> >> >> >wood. Apparently this happens.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Pam
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >--
> >> >> >No virus found in this incoming message.
> >> >> >Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database:
> >> >> >269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >--
> >> >> >No virus found in this incoming message.
> >> >> >Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database:
> >> >> >269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
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Re: Kelley

[Kelley Saveika]

No, her eyes are not reactive at all.

I don't think she can close her eyes.  I did not see her close her
eyes or blink at any point past the first seizure.

I do not know what happens when she is sleeping, though.  I will ask
when I go in to see her after work.

I'm wondering if she is blind..can seizures cause blindness?  I'm
really lost here.


On 5/27/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

And her eyes are not reactive? At all?

If she can't blink, does that mean she can't close her eyes?


P

Kelley Saveika wrote:
> Well, she moved her head...but she can't blink her eyes...so it is
> hard to say if she is moving her head because i am there..
>
> On 5/27/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> How does she respond to you?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kelley Saveika wrote:
>> > Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying
>> > dearly.  They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet.  She's being
>> > monitored around the clock.  I've called up there 5 times today
>> > starting at 6 am and been there once.
>> >
>> > On 5/27/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed
>> >> tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing
>> >> her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive?
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Have you ever  had a cat before that had seizures?  My Paddy, who is
>> >> >now 22, had one about 2 years ago & has never had another, knock on
>> >> >wood. Apparently this happens.
>> >> >
>> >> >Pam
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >No virus found in this incoming message.
>> >> >Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database:
>> >> >269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >No virus found in this incoming message.
>> >> >Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database:
>> >> >269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: Toxo- contagious or no?

[dede hicken]

Kelly,

When Spud was treated, the vet never said anything
about transmission to us.  Actually, She wasn't
certain that is what he had, she just saw some funky
cells on a smear that looked like it.  We figured that
we didn't have anything to lose by treating him with
the HCT so low, and the blood in the urine.

He did get better, but something is still wrong...I
just know it.  He is comfortable though, and eating
well.  He had a past of being outside, so he could
have gotten it.  I don't know about Caroline's past.

I just hope she responds.  It is so hard to go
through.

May you both be blessed,
Dede
--- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No one seems to be able to tell me.  I researched it
> some and it seems
> to come from eating raw meat, such as mice?
> 
> But Caroline doesn't mouse...
> 
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Re: IBD and metronidazole

[Gloria Lane]

For diarrhea, generally my regular vets approach is to start with  
Flagyl and high-fiber food.


Gloria



On Sep 17, 2006, at 7:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

oy vey, diagnosis is invasive, generally, and thus Lucy never has  
had a proper one. To actually diagnose, they need to do an  
endoscapy, and sometimes they can not definitively diagnose that  
way either and so need to biopsy a full section of the intestine,  
which means surgery.  What I did with Lucy, and what vets will  
often do, is tried prednisone to see if she responded favorably to  
it. When she did, and also responded favorably to raw food, and she  
had no parasites, etc., we concluded it was IBD.  What IBD is very  
hard to distinguish from, though, is small cell (slow growing)  
intestinal lymphoma, which is why I am always worried when Lucy  
seems worse.


For a cat who is a recent rescue, though, it could be IBS, which is  
stress-related rather than related to stress allergies or  
inflammation like IBD.  With IBS, if you can keep the stress under  
control and calm the cat down, the diarrhea should get better.


I think the first thing I would do with a cat with diarrhea that  
could possible be infectious or parasitic in nature is try a week  
of flagyl and see if it helps. It can also help with IBD if the IBD  
is in the lower (large) intestine. If you can, I would also put him  
on raw food or at least EVO, which is a grainless canned and dry  
food (grains seem to aggravate IBD a lot).  If it does not get  
better, I would talk to a vet and get a stool sample analyzed for  
other parasites or bacteria, and then think about food allergies. I  
would only get the scope or surgical biopsy done as a last resort.  
Even if lucy does not get better from what I am doing and might  
have lymphoma, I am going to try to convince the internist to just  
try the treatment (leukeran, a chemo agent, in addition to the  
pred), which they give for both small cell lymphoma and severe IBD,  
and see if helps, rather than put her through the stress of the  
scope or surgery. Endoscope for stomach or upper intestine is not  
so bad-- light anesthesia and then a scope without any cutting-- I  
have had this a few times myself. But endoscope for lower  
intestine, which is where Lucy's problem is, requires the vet to  
give the cat several enemas first and, I think, more anesthesia  
(it's actually like a colonoscopy). Plus once they have been on  
pred it is harder to differentiate IBD from lymphoma anyway.


Michelle

In a message dated 9/17/2006 7:59:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How is IBD diagnosed? Blood Work? I have a new rescue I am thinking  
he might have it but then again he is declawed has litterbox issues  
and is scared of his own shadow,


Thanks
Karen

Re: questions

[Marylyn]

First you need to verbalize your fears and concerns, not keep them inside 
and this group is very good at listening and being non-judgmental.


No, you don't get over itat least I don't.  But, hopefully, you get 
to the point that you don't let the future ruin the present.  None of us 
know when or how we are going to die.  Even the person in a hospital who has 
been told he will die tomorrow may live or die earlier.  You may step in 
front of a car or be under a falling airplane.  Try not to obsess over it 
and enjoy the present.  Dixie is doing a very good job of teaching me this. 
I take her to regular vets (not often, she is very healthy) and to 
alternative vets (fairly regularly just to keep up her immune system). 
Dixie has the opportunity to talk to some ACs I know and I have hired Ann 
Baumbach to talk to her when those who know her are too close to a 
situation.  Yes, you worry.  Then you do every thing in your power and with 
her consent to keep her healthy and much more importantly happy.  Dixie is 
now on Primal raw food supplemented by some very good canned foods (no 
grains thank you) and home cooked meals.  Believe it or not she enjoys 
broccoli and carrots finely chopped and mixed with her food.  I buy organic 
for her whenever possible-don't ask what I buy for me.  I use Brush Away 
on her teeth since FeLV can cause problems there and she does have some.  An 
alterative vet recommended it and all you do is put it in their mouths.  A 
great preventative for your dear.


Don't regret having the love of this little one or loving herregret 
that she has been exposed to FeLV but know that it is not a death sentence. 
Dixie has honored me with her very healthy and happy presence for over two 
years now.  Soon she will have the second anniversary of her diagnosis.  Had 
it not been for that she would still be living outside with the other 
ferals/strays/throw-always who visit my Mom for food and shelter.  The test 
proved to be a blessing for me since it put her very much in my life and 
perhaps for her given her circumstances then and now.


You may want to consider talking to an AC with MeMe.  Explain your fears and 
love to MeMe and ask her to help you live in the present.  She is picking up 
your anxiety and that is not good for either of you.  She needs to 
understand what is going on.


Blessings to you.






If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 8:11 AM
Subject: questions



Cassandra you and Kisa are in my thoughts and prayers.

Does the anxiety and sadness ever go away? I feel as though
I am still in shock with the diagnosis. I feel I am back to the place
 I was when my 19 year old (NoNo) was failing and I would wake up every
few hours to make sure she was ok. The feelings of impending loss
and sadness became like a low grade fever for many months. When it
became clear that she was in pain and had to cross, I was prepared and
relieved to be free of the fear and anxiety and sadness that became a part
of the end of her long and happy life and our infinite bond.

When I brought this kitten (MeMe) home, I was exhilarated by her sweetness 
and
smitten by the antics of a young cat. It had been a long time since 
someone had
propelled themselves across the room from a counter top to the back of my 
neck.

She sleeps between us in the same spot that NoNo had for 19 years.

The Feline Leukemia diagnosis has brought back the sadness and bittersweet 
feelings
of loss and mortality and connectedness. While I am committed to doing 
whatever I can to
give her the best care and support available, will I ever be able to hold 
her and kiss her
without a surge of sadness and regret and longing? Does the shock of this 
disease ever move

to a place of acceptance and appreciation for the present time and moment.

I realize that what I am asking has to do with my own consciousness and 
ability to live in
the moment with gratitude that I selected this dear, sweet being to love 
and care for.
She's sitting on my lap, purring and I am typing. I guess that is an 
answer.


Thanks for listening.
Jane

questions

[Jane Lyons]

Cassandra you and Kisa are in my thoughts and prayers.

Does the anxiety and sadness ever go away? I feel as though
I am still in shock with the diagnosis. I feel I am back to the place
 I was when my 19 year old (NoNo) was failing and I would wake up every
few hours to make sure she was ok. The feelings of impending loss
and sadness became like a low grade fever for many months. When it
became clear that she was in pain and had to cross, I was prepared and
relieved to be free of the fear and anxiety and sadness that became a 
part

of the end of her long and happy life and our infinite bond.

When I brought this kitten (MeMe) home, I was exhilarated by her 
sweetness and
smitten by the antics of a young cat. It had been a long time since 
someone had
propelled themselves across the room from a counter top to the back of 
my neck.

She sleeps between us in the same spot that NoNo had for 19 years.

The Feline Leukemia diagnosis has brought back the sadness and 
bittersweet feelings
of loss and mortality and connectedness. While I am committed to doing 
whatever I can to
give her the best care and support available, will I ever be able to 
hold her and kiss her
without a surge of sadness and regret and longing? Does the shock of 
this disease ever move
to a place of acceptance and appreciation for the present time and 
moment.


I realize that what I am asking has to do with my own consciousness and 
ability to live in
the moment with gratitude that I selected this dear, sweet being to 
love and care for.
She's sitting on my lap, purring and I am typing. I guess that is an 
answer.


Thanks for listening.
Jane

Re: Plastic bags

[Marylyn]

Adding baking soda to the bags helps with the odor too.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 1:32 AM
  Subject: Re: Plastic bags


  I do that too.  Those heavy litter bags really keep the ooky smell from 
wafting around, yuck!




  Taylor Scobie Humphrey
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]




  On May 27, 2007, at 9:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Wow didn't think this subject would last this long.

Anyway, I recycle my plastic bags. I dump dirty cat litter in them then put 
that into the bags that the clean litter comes in. So there isn't a smell.

I remember years ago one of my Mom's cats got hung up in the handle parts 
and scared him so bad that I thought he was going to have a heart attack. He 
went flying through the house with it stuck on his body. To top it off he was a 
high strung Siamese.
I felt so bad for him.

In general the only time there is any plastic out is when I'm changing the 
litter boxes or garbage cans. Tazzy just sits there and licks it. Of course 
it's before it has the dirty litter in it.

In a message dated 5/26/2007 8:22:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
  At 08:13 PM 5/26/2007, you wrote:

  Why can we lobby to have them made of a thin cardboard  so they will 
  biodegrade..I hate them!!

  >While on this subject, don't forget to cut through the handles of 
  >all plastic & actually ANY bags before trashing them. Stray cats can 
  >get their heads caught in the handles & strangle.   So please please 
  >cut those loops!
  >
  >For the same reason, cut through the loops of the plastic things 
  >holding 6 paks together.  Those things have been found around the 
  >necks of seals, cutting off their ability to swallow, thus starving 
  >them. Closer to inland home, small aniimals can get their heads 
  >caught in those too, or stray kittens which as they grow these 
  >things will tighten around their necks.
  >
  >Pam


Terrie Mohr-Forker

TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
Donations accepted at:
https://www.paypal.com/


http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue

http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html

http://www.felineleukemia.org/

http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html

http://www.petloss.com/








See what's free at AOL.com. 

Re: I've been dropped!

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Hmmm.  I use Earthlink.  H.  Thanks!

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 28, 2007, at 2:08 AM, elizabeth trent wrote:

This used to happen to me when I used aol...haven't had any  
problems since I changed to gmail.


elizabeth


On 5/28/07, Taylor Scobie Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I can't figure it out--I keep getting dropped by either
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org or [EMAIL PROTECTED]  It's
driving me crazy!  Anyone have a clue?

Thank you!

Tee 'n' the Wildlife

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: new diagnosis

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

I raised three little foundlings--The 3 Orange Boyz--and they tested  
FeLV-.  Then at nine months one of them, Sammy, tested not only FeLV+  
but with mediastinal lymphoma.  He is now in the Wisconsin/Madison  
chemotherapy protocol and is doing just wonderfully and after four  
treatments he is in "apparent remission."  Amazing!


So little negatives can switch to positive.  The shelter was not  
pulling your leg when they said she was negative.


And the reason your vets are being so supportive is because times  
have changed.  FeLV positive cats are no longer routinely marked for  
death the way they were years ago because many of them live a long  
time.  My beloved Mamie lived for nine years after her diagnosis when  
she was a wee one (she was found on a golf course in Michigan in  
really pitiful shape:  fleas, URI, tapeworm, other parasites, just a  
wreck--and she persevered through all--and when she was well I  
brought her home where she had a fabulous life until I got divorced  
and she lost her idyllic life when I moved to an apartment.  The  
change really affected her negatively (and me, too) and caused her  
immune system to really go downhill.


The most important thing is to keep little MeMe healthy and give her  
all the opportunities a little cat can have.  Mamie was leash-trained  
and also, thank God, had a very safe neighborhood in which to roam  
and a kitty-door that was always available.  (She always was inside  
at night.)  I think the fact that she was out in the sun and the rain  
and was able to have fun spying on the birds and "rescuing" mice,  
voles and chipmunks.


You can have your little darling girl for along time!

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 27, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Kelly L wrote:


At 10:24 AM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

Welcome..and THANK YOU
No it is not a death sentence as you will see here. i just returned  
from Best friends where I met Many old,,,15-22 year old cats ..  
Unfortunately when kittens get it they seem to have a shorter life  
span, My guy is a year and a half,
Best Friends give their leukemia cats   1/4 cc immuno regulin I.M  
each month,,I use that and alferon natural interferon,,, a good  
diet and lots of love!!! and have other cats also and do not worry  
about it spreading to my adult vaccinated cats, But Max my FELV cat  
live primarily away form the others with his own friends,,, I do  
not want him catching anything else.

Kelly
www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com



Hello everyone
I just joined this group as I have just had two FeLV
positive test results on my year old kitten.

I adopted her from a cat shelter two months ago
with many health issues (upper respiratory, diarrhea
giardia, stomatits). I was told that she was FeLV negative
and figured I could deal with all of the above because they were
not life threatening and once I got her out of the shelter 'colony'
and to our vets, that she would get well. She didn't.

On Friday I took her to my homeopathic vet who insisted that
she be tested "again" for FeLV, and the test came back positive
and the second test result which I got on Saturday was also positive.

Needless to say I am devastated. Both of the vets that I use are  
being

supportive and hopeful. When I adopted a positive kitten 20 years ago
I was told that she had to be put down because she would infect my  
other cat.
This is not the case now. We have two Scotties and had recently  
lost a 19 year old

cat, and a 21 year old the year before.

This cat, MeMe, is an absolute love. My homeopath put her on a  
probiotic that
she is excited about "FortiFlora", and liquid DMG as well as help  
in weaning her
to Archetype food as she is addicted to Fancy Feast which my vet  
calls 'kitty crack'.


I have been overwhelmed with the amount of information I am  
finding on the Web.
Some of it seems very optimistic, some, bordering on fantasy. I  
joined this group hoping to
share information with real people who are living and coping with  
this disease. I keep
re-reading the Home page on this site which states that Feline  
Leukemia is not a death
sentence. I would appreciate any information which could be  
helpful to MeMe.


Thank you
Jane






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Re: I've been dropped!

[elizabeth trent]

This used to happen to me when I used aol...haven't had any problems since I
changed to gmail.

elizabeth


On 5/28/07, Taylor Scobie Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I can't figure it out--I keep getting dropped by either
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org or [EMAIL PROTECTED]  It's
driving me crazy!  Anyone have a clue?

Thank you!

Tee 'n' the Wildlife

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]