[Felvtalk] prayers

2013-06-07 Thread Karen Harshbarger
Just need some prayers tonight for Cole.  He tested positive along with his 
brothers for feline leukemia about 3 months ago.  The have all been doing 
pretty good, eating well, playing, happy and loving, etc.  But then two of his 
brothers started having problems with scab like bumps and the vet doesn't seem 
to know what it is.  Now Cole refused to eat his supper tonight and I am so 
worried for him and his brothers.  They are due for their second test in about 
a week.  They were doing so good I was hoping that they would test negative and 
was able to fight their exposure.  But now with this I am so afraid for them.  
And not eating is the worst, cause I am so afraid he won't start eating again.  
Please say a prayer for him that it is just a little normal stomach upset and 
tomorrow he will clean his plate at breakfast.  ___
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[Felvtalk] Fw: prayers

2013-06-07 Thread Karen Harshbarger
Okay, now my request for prayers has turned to a plea for help!  See below what 
is going on with Cole tonight.  Now he is throwing up white bubbly phlem 
besides refusing to eat.  I am getting so worried about him.  How can he go 
from playing, happy, eating, etc; to not eating anything and throwing up so 
quickly!  I don't know who to turn to, what to do, or which vet to go to (Dr 
Dill--our caring 50year experienced vet that tends to do things the more old 
fashioned way, Allgood Vet in Burlington that we just started seeing sometimes 
for blood tests so I am not sure how experienced they are with feline leukemia 
or take him to the 24 hour 7 day a week emergency in Iowa City that wasn't able 
to help Tig, although he may have been to far along for any help, but they are 
very expensive and I am not sure how much more vet bills I can afford) ; and I 
am so scared for Cole.  I have already lost Tig and so quicklyI just can't 
loose Cole now too so
 soon.  I hope to be more proactive with Cole and nip this in the bud before it 
takes over and the leukemia kicks in full force---I so want to give him a few 
more happy years that he so deserves.  Anyone have any ideas?  I am so not good 
at this and need help.  I worry that I should have been doing more already, but 
they all seemed to be doing pretty good so I hated to be pumping a bunch of 
medicine into them before they needed it---but guess this is where I failed.  
When Ash got some scabs scratched off and was bleeding, I took him to the vet 
for medicine so he would not get infection.  But if they were doing good I 
thought all I needed to do was make sure they got a good balanced diet and 
love.  Many of you talk of inferion, but that sure didn't seem to help Tig at 
all---it actually seem to make him worse faster, so I guess I am afraid of 
that.  But I am so very worried about Cole and would really appreciate hearing 
your suggestions  My email
 is harshbargerka...@yahoo.com for those of you that don't have it.  Thanks, 
Karen
 
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Just need some prayers tonight for Cole.  He tested positive along with his 
brothers for feline leukemia about 3 months ago.  The have all been doing 
pretty good, eating well, playing, happy and loving, etc.  But then two of his 
brothers started having problems with scab like bumps and the vet doesn't seem 
to know what it is.  Now Cole refused to eat his supper tonight and I am so 
worried for him and his brothers.  They are due for their second test in about 
a week.  They were doing so good I was hoping that they would test negative and 
was able to fight their exposure.  But now with this I am so afraid for them.  
And not eating is the worst, cause I am so afraid he won't start eating again.  
Please say a prayer for him that it is just a little normal stomach upset and 
tomorrow he will clean his plate at breakfast.  ___
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[Felvtalk] struggling tonight

2013-06-07 Thread Karen Harshbarger
Hi,  I joined all of these group cause I have kittys with all of these 
illnesses---one with CRF, 4 with feline leukemia, and little Tig that I lost 
had very bad anemia/feline leukemia/upper respiratory/etc.etc. and 
unfortunately I know that Anemia is probably coming for my 4 kittys with feline 
leukemia---just a matter of when. My kitty with CRF has slight anemia.  I have 
5 other cats that live with me and there are 2 little ones that recently showed 
up on my patio.
 
 Tonight I am sitting up with one of my kitties that has feline leukemia 
because he is sick he is throwing up white bubbly phlem and would not eat 
tonight.  (before tonight, he was doing so good I thought that he might be one 
of the lucky ones that would fight off this awful illness before his second 
test)  
 
Cole is very sick and I am very very worried about him and just trying to 
figure out what I am going to do next so that I don't loose him like I lost his 
brother little Tig recently
 
As I read through all the posts I realize that there are a lot of caring people 
out there trying very hard to do what I am doingkeep their cats as happy 
and healthy as they can and with them as long as they can.  It is a good thing 
that there are so many caring people, but a sad thing that there are so many 
sick little cats.  .I also wonder how all of you afford to get all the tests 
and medicines, as I am really struggling with that and not sure how I am 
financially going to keep up and worry that I am not doing all that I can or 
should cause I can't afford to do all these expensive blood tests, etc or a 
regular basis. so that better diagnosis can be done.  I also worry that the 
vets around here are not up on all the latest things to help my little ones 
with all their illnesses.and that I am not smart enough to understand it all to 
figure out if the vet is doing the right thing.  I some times worry, especially 
nights like this when I sit up
 tired and very worried with a sick little cat that I did not know enough or do 
enough for little Tig, causing him to leave this world at only 11 months old.  
I also worry that I am not giving these little guys all that they need. 
 
Would love hearing any suggestions.  Sorry about the rambling.  I am just 
struggling to find direction as I sit up with poor little sick Cole as he 
struggles with this awful illness.    Thanks, Karen 
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Re: [Felvtalk] prayers

2013-06-07 Thread Lee Evans
The scabs are most likely a flea allergy or some other type of allergy. I have 
a cat who was covered with the scabs. Flea treated him several times during a 6 
month period, scabs were much less. He still gets them occasionally but nothing 
like the first time. He's a long hair so probably gets a few more fleas than a 
short hair. As for not eating, if that persists, try syringe feeding him or buy 
some KFC regular chicken (not spicy) and see if he reacts with an appetite. You 
have to realize that when a cat is positive for FIV or FeLv and gets sick, it 
is most likely just a cat who got sick and is not related to the FIV or FeLv. 
But the vet will pounce on a diagnosis of Oh, it's because he's FIV+ or FeLv+ 
when most likely it's an upset stomach or an URI, just like any other cat would 
get.  Positive energy from the Universe coming your way for Cole. 


 
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too!






 From: Karen Harshbarger harshbargerka...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 2:30 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] prayers
 


Just need some prayers tonight for Cole.  He tested positive along with his 
brothers for feline leukemia about 3 months ago.  The have all been doing 
pretty good, eating well, playing, happy and loving, etc.  But then two of his 
brothers started having problems with scab like bumps and the vet doesn't seem 
to know what it is.  Now Cole refused to eat his supper tonight and I am so 
worried for him and his brothers.  They are due for their second test in about 
a week.  They were doing so good I was hoping that they would test negative 
and was able to fight their exposure.  But now with this I am so afraid for 
them.  And not eating is the worst, cause I am so afraid he won't start eating 
again.  Please say a prayer for him that it is just a little normal stomach 
upset and tomorrow he will clean his plate at breakfast.  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: prayers

2013-06-07 Thread Lee Evans
Throwing up and not eating may be from hairballs, especially if it's the bubbly 
phlem type of throw up. Try to think simple. If a cat who was negative for 
everything had this situation happen, you probably would think simple situation 
first. Try a hairball remedy like Petromalt or Laxitone before rushing out and 
spending hundreds of dollars. One of my foster cats, real fat girl, suddenly 
stopped eating, was dragging her hind quarters. Thought it might have been 
paralysis, all sorts of nightmarish things but then decided maybe she was 
constipated. Yup! After several hefty doses of Petromalt, she plopped a big 
one, threw up a giant hairball mess and started eating like a fat girl 
again.I'm not saying that you shouldn't take him to the vet but try the simple 
stuff first. Then if in a day it doesn't work, take to vet but don't diagnose 
him yourself and assume it's because he's FeLv+.


 
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too!






 From: Karen Harshbarger harshbargerka...@yahoo.com
To: Carmack Alicia acarm...@dom.wustl.edu; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; jkd...@gmail.com jkd...@gmail.com 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 3:26 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: prayers
 


Okay, now my request for prayers has turned to a plea for help!  See below 
what is going on with Cole tonight.  Now he is throwing up white bubbly phlem 
besides refusing to eat.  I am getting so worried about him.  How can he go 
from playing, happy, eating, etc; to not eating anything and throwing up so 
quickly!  I don't know who to turn to, what to do, or which vet to go to (Dr 
Dill--our caring 50year experienced vet that tends to do things the more old 
fashioned way, Allgood Vet in Burlington that we just started seeing sometimes 
for blood tests so I am not sure how experienced they are with feline leukemia 
or take him to the 24 hour 7 day a week emergency in Iowa City that wasn't 
able to help Tig, although he may have been to far along for any help, but 
they are very expensive and I am not sure how much more vet bills I can 
afford) ; and I am so scared for Cole.  I have already lost Tig and so 
quicklyI just can't loose Cole now too so
 soon.  I hope to be more proactive with Cole and nip this in the bud before it 
takes over and the leukemia kicks in full force---I so want to give him a few 
more happy years that he so deserves.  Anyone have any ideas?  I am so not good 
at this and need help.  I worry that I should have been doing more already, but 
they all seemed to be doing pretty good so I hated to be pumping a bunch of 
medicine into them before they needed it---but guess this is where I failed.  
When Ash got some scabs scratched off and was bleeding, I took him to the vet 
for medicine so he would not get infection.  But if they were doing good I 
thought all I needed to do was make sure they got a good balanced diet and 
love.  Many of you talk of inferion, but that sure didn't seem to help Tig at 
all---it actually seem to make him worse faster, so I guess I am afraid of 
that.  But I am so very worried about Cole and would really appreciate hearing 
your suggestions  My email
 is harshbargerka...@yahoo.com for those of you that don't have it.  Thanks, 
Karen


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Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 2:30 AM
Subject: prayers
 


Just need some prayers tonight for Cole.  He tested positive along with his 
brothers for feline leukemia about 3 months ago.  The have all been doing 
pretty good, eating well, playing, happy and loving, etc.  But then two of his 
brothers started having problems with scab like bumps and the vet doesn't seem 
to know what it is.  Now Cole refused to eat his supper tonight and I am so 
worried for him and his brothers.  They are due for their second test in about 
a week.  They were doing so good I was hoping that they would test negative 
and was able to fight their exposure.  But now with this I am so afraid for 
them.  And not eating is the worst, cause I am so afraid he won't start eating 
again.  Please say a prayer for him that it is just a little normal stomach 
upset and tomorrow he will clean his plate at breakfast.  


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Re: [Felvtalk] struggling tonight

2013-06-07 Thread Karen Harshbarger
Very far---Iowa!  Thanks though, Karen
 


 From: kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.com
To: harshbargerka...@yahoo.com harshbargerka...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 4:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] struggling tonight
  
I'm so sorry to hear your kitty is struggling! How far are u from NY?  I am in 
Saratoga Springs and would highly recommend my vet; very knowledgeable, always 
open for suggestions and really affordable.  
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feline_ane...@yahoogroups.com feline_ane...@yahoogroups.com; 
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[Felvtalk] struggling tonight  Sent:  Fri, Jun 7, 2013 9:38:04 AM
Hi,  I joined all of these group cause I have kittys with all of these 
illnesses---one with CRF, 4 with feline leukemia, and little Tig that I lost 
had very bad anemia/feline leukemia/upper respiratory/etc.etc. and 
unfortunately I know that Anemia is probably coming for my 4 kittys with feline 
leukemia---just a matter of when. My kitty with CRF has slight anemia.  I have 
5 other cats that live with me and there are 2 little ones that recently showed 
up on my patio.

 Tonight I am sitting up with one of my kitties that has feline leukemia 
because he is sick he is throwing up white bubbly phlem and would not eat 
tonight.  (before tonight, he was doing so good I thought that he might be one 
of the lucky ones that would fight off this awful illness before his second 
test)  

Cole is very sick and I am very very worried about him and just trying to 
figure out what I am going to do next so that I don't loose him like I lost his 
brother little Tig recently

As I read through all the posts I realize that there are a lot of caring people 
out there trying very hard to do what I am doingkeep their cats as happy 
and healthy as they can and with them as long as they can.  It is a good thing 
that there are so many caring people, but a sad thing that there are so many 
sick little cats.  .I also wonder how all of you afford to get all the tests 
and medicines, as I am really struggling with that and not sure how I am 
financially going to keep up and worry that I am not doing all that I can or 
should cause I can't afford to do all these expensive blood tests, etc or a 
regular basis. so that better diagnosis can be done.  I also worry that the 
vets around here are not up on all the latest things to help my little ones 
with all their illnesses.and that I am not smart enough to understand it all to 
figure out if the vet is doing the right thing.  I some times worry, especially 
nights like this when I sit up
 tired and very worried with a sick little cat that I did not know enough or do 
enough for little Tig, causing him to leave this world at only 11 months old.  
I also worry that I am not giving these little guys all that they need. 

Would love hearing any suggestions.  Sorry about the rambling.  I am just 
struggling to find direction as I sit up with poor little sick Cole as he 
struggles with this awful illness.    Thanks, Karen 
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Re: [Felvtalk] struggling tonight

2013-06-07 Thread Lee Evans
It's OK Karen. We all panic when our not-so-normal cats get sick because we 
assume that it's the FIV+ or FeLv+ that has kicked in and is going to deprive 
them of their little bit of happiness but I have learned to center myself and 
think positively about cat illness. First I try something obvious, that I would 
with an ordinary cat. In the case of throwing up and not eating, I try 
Petromalt, a hairball and constipation remedy. It's inexpensive and sometimes 
after a few hefty doses, the cat it cured. I also feel ears. Are they hot? Nose 
dry and too warm? That's a sign of fever. Take to vet and get a Convenia shot, 
a long acting antibiotic. Give your cats a feline vitamin compound with iron to 
build up the blood and prevent anemia. Open his mouth and see if his gums and 
tongue are pink, like a normal cat. Flea treat with Frontline Plus for fleas so 
no flea anemia gets him. But also reserve the option of taking him to the vet. 
You don't need massive blood
 tests and other tests. Most cats will respond to an antibiotic, even those who 
are positive for something. Your CRF cat is different. You need to take to vet 
at first sign of illness or at least call the vet and describe the symptoms. 
Cats don't like being hauled to the vet. Stress on top of not feeling well 
makes things worse.


 
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too!






 From: Karen Harshbarger harshbargerka...@yahoo.com
To: feline_ane...@yahoogroups.com feline_ane...@yahoogroups.com; 
feline-crf-supp...@yahoogroups.com feline-crf-supp...@yahoogroups.com; 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 4:38 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] struggling tonight
 


Hi,  I joined all of these group cause I have kittys with all of these 
illnesses---one with CRF, 4 with feline leukemia, and little Tig that I lost 
had very bad anemia/feline leukemia/upper respiratory/etc.etc. and 
unfortunately I know that Anemia is probably coming for my 4 kittys with 
feline leukemia---just a matter of when. My kitty with CRF has slight anemia.  
I have 5 other cats that live with me and there are 2 little ones that 
recently showed up on my patio.
 
 Tonight I am sitting up with one of my kitties that has feline leukemia 
because he is sick he is throwing up white bubbly phlem and would not eat 
tonight.  (before tonight, he was doing so good I thought that he might be one 
of the lucky ones that would fight off this awful illness before his second 
test)  
 
Cole is very sick and I am very very worried about him and just trying to 
figure out what I am going to do next so that I don't loose him like I lost 
his brother little Tig recently
 
As I read through all the posts I realize that there are a lot of caring 
people out there trying very hard to do what I am doingkeep their cats as 
happy and healthy as they can and with them as long as they can.  It is a good 
thing that there are so many caring people, but a sad thing that there are so 
many sick little cats.  .I also wonder how all of you afford to get all the 
tests and medicines, as I am really struggling with that and not sure how I am 
financially going to keep up and worry that I am not doing all that I can or 
should cause I can't afford to do all these expensive blood tests, etc or a 
regular basis. so that better diagnosis can be done.  I also worry that the 
vets around here are not up on all the latest things to help my little ones 
with all their illnesses.and that I am not smart enough to understand it all 
to figure out if the vet is doing the right thing.  I some times worry, 
especially nights like this when I sit up
 tired and very worried with a sick little cat that I did not know enough or do 
enough for little Tig, causing him to leave this world at only 11 months old.  
I also worry that I am not giving these little guys all that they need. 
 
Would love hearing any suggestions.  Sorry about the rambling.  I am just 
struggling to find direction as I sit up with poor little sick Cole as he 
struggles with this awful illness.    Thanks, Karen 
harshbargerka...@yahoo.com
 
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clavamox aka Augmentin

2013-06-07 Thread Margo



Hi Beth

 If your Vet knows you are treating, could s/he simply provide a prescription? Mine does, either writes it so I can shop it around, or for some, calls in for the $4 and free pharmacy deals.

 There are places that sell Abx without prescription, but I'm not trusting enough. Places like KVVet Supply, Valley Vet and Jeffers have accredited pharmacies, and the prices are good. I once used a place called VetServ, but don;t know if they are still in business. IIRC, they had their own "staff" vets which somehow were allowed to prescribe long distance without ever seeing the animal. They were expensive, I thought.

Margo

-Original Message- From: Betheny Laubenthal Sent: Jun 6, 2013 9:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clavamox aka Augmentin 
I buy fish antibiotics for my feral cats (my vet knows this). I only treat minor infections on my own with my vet's guidance. With infections that require a vet visit, I start conservative treatment until the time the appointment is (which could be up to 3 days away). I buy the 500mg pills. I always have amoxicillin, keflex and cipro on hand. I make a suspension out of the pill depending on the strength (in mgs) I need to fit into 1ml of liquid.
Anyways, is there any otc/off labeled brands of augmentin I can get?
Thank you!
--Beth

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
Actually I keep the human form, Augmentin, on hand for myself. Then all Ineed is a tetanus booster if I get bitten. If a cat bite swells up I startmyself on Augmenin. I also have Clavamox for the cats, but it is not thecorrect strength for humans. I also keep Zithromax and other Abx on hand,and I get all of them on line without an Rx.Lorrie
On 06-06, Margo wrote: Hi Lorrie, Yes, I know, my point was that I always have Clavamox (and other Abx) on hand for the critters, so don't feel the need to keep the "human" form :). Since I get most of my drugs by the bottle, I often find that what I'm giving is actually labeled for human use. Margo

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Re: [Felvtalk] New To Group-Lance

2013-06-07 Thread Margo



Hi Chris,

 It's very possible to make your own cat food, and I have/do. It isn't as simple as chicken + a cat vitamin, but it isn't that difficult either. Google "Home prepared cat food" and start reading recipes. I use no grain and very few (if any) veggies and fruits. Essential are taurine and calcium, unless you're feeding raw with bone, then you can skip the Ca. 

 I liked the list, as well, as it gave me new foods to look into, but I was disappointed in most of them when I looked at the ingredients. The only one I use from there is Hound and Gatos. The other canned varieties seem to have too many extraneous ingredients, and I don't feed raw to the FeLV group, not even my own preparation. Tiki is way too expensive for me to even consider (I think the Hound and Gatos is too high, as well, but I do keep it in the mix) and most varieties have fish, which may not be good for my FLUTD/FeLV boys. I confess that I feed some "lpw-end" foods, simply beause I like the ingredient lists better than some of the high end ones. It's all a choice :)

HTH

Margo

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That’s a great site-thanks!I’ve been feeding mine Tiki Cat, and I was wondering...in
looking at it and reading the ingredients list, wouldn’t it be
a lot cheaper and just as good to boil some chicken and add
a cat vitamin?

Chris C.





From: Lance 
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 6:32 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New To Group-Lance


Ember was four years old when she tested positive, but she must have had the disease prior to that. She might have been as young as two or three years old when the infection became persistent. We still don't know how the virus got into the house, whether through Ember herself or a stray kitten my parents took in who was later euthanized due to symptoms a year and a half later.

About lymphoma, please join the feline lymphoma Yahoo! group. The support there is amazing, and a vet frequently comments there.

I'm glad that the others aren't showing symptoms. My Ember has thankfully had very few issues with the virus. Her main symptoms are: low white blood cell count, anisocoria (one pupil is fully open all the time), and some very minor bouts of diarrhea (not in the last few years) and upper respiratory infections. For the most part, she gets sick like a normal cat. 

You may want to check this blog post that covers cat food:

http://www.naturalcatcareblog.com/2010/12/the-7-best-natural-commercial-cat-foods-so-far/

Ember eats Tiki Cat these days, which is the priciest stuff, but other brands like Hound  Gatos and Great Life Essentials are more affordable.


On Jun 6, 2013, at 5:33 PM, kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.com wrote:



Hi Lance,







Are any of your FeLV+ cats showing symptoms? 
***Besides Jack, who has lymphoma, none of the other cats show any symptoms.
Lance, when was your girl diagnosed with it?
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Re: [Felvtalk] treatment before symptoms

2013-06-07 Thread Margo



 Oh, my poor Vet. Thank you so much for that link, I will print it for her toay. I don't use AZT, but I use another anti-viral (famciclovir) with my FeLV cats when they have (what is probably)a herpes outbreak. One of the drugs, gemcitabine was planned for a cat I had with cancer. Sadly, he didn't live long enough to try it, so I can't comment. I will look into the others. I doubt I'd ask to use them, but I still want to know. 

Thanks!

Margo

-Original Message- From: Lance Sent: Jun 6, 2013 10:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] treatment before symptoms 
I agree. I had no intention of using these drugs. I doubt my vet would even have access to the newer drugs the paper mentions, and AZT is definitely out, unfortunately. It would be a sad irony if an exposed cat was FeLV- (or otherwise threw the virus without the help of AZT) but ended up with non-regenerative anemia after getting slightly too high a dose of AZT.

I have seen references to using AZT right after exposure, but if that were a good idea, I would think people would be trying it regularly.

I did write to the point person for that paper (Dr. Mansky) to ask what he thought could be done to forward research and use of the drugs (other than AZT) that were mentioned. He's not a vet (I think he's a virologist), but he probably has some thoughts on the issue.

It saddens me that there are potential treatments out there, but it seems that no money and little impetus exist to push them along.

Also, Lee, you definitely understood more of the paper than I did. :-)

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Ugh! I hate terminology although I do understand some of it from being a medical transcriber in human medical practice. The gist of the paper is that using AZT and other human drugs on a cat can be risky and should not be done except under the control of a veterinary specialist. Your cat could become jaundiced because most of these drugs have bad side effects on liver and kidneys if given in too large a dose and no effect in the disease if given in too small a dose. Why not just wait and see what happens and not subject your cat to something experimental and possibly dangerous?


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Along those lines, I found this article, "Discovery of drugs that possess activity against feline leukemia virus".http://vir.sgmjournals.org/content/93/Pt_4/900.full.pdfAlmost all of the terminology in the paper is beyond me, but what I do understand makes me think that we could have potential treatment options for FeLV at some point in the near future. These drugs are available now; we just need someone to fund (the sticking point, I'm guessing) trials.This is my last post for tonight. Probably.On Jun 5, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I'm wondering if anyone has ever attempted treatment of a potentially infected cat before the cat showed symptoms or tested positive. Would immune boosters help, or would we be playing with fire and possibly making things worse? It seems like a vet who has done a lot of work with FeLV cats might have done this.  Along those lines, has anyone actually had a cat on Mega-C who then appeared to suppress or eradicate the virus?  I'm kind of thinking out loud here, and hopefully not bugging anyone. It seems to me that the progress of research into FeLV is woefully glacial. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

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[Felvtalk] Homemade food for FeLV cats

2013-06-07 Thread Maryam Ulomi
Hello,

Do you use dr. Lisa Pearson or Dr. Pitcarns recipes for homemade food for cats?
I'm planning on starting to feed homemade food to Kitty, 11month FeLV positive 
girl
I rescued . Any suggestions?
I have their recipes but any other suggestions are welcome,

Thanks,

Mally and Kitty

Sent from my iPhone.

On Jun 7, 2013, at 7:17, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote:

 
 Hi Chris,
  
It's very possible to make your own cat food, and I have/do. 
 It isn't as simple as chicken + a cat vitamin, but it isn't that difficult 
 either. Google Home prepared cat food and start reading recipes. I use no 
 grain and very few (if any) veggies and fruits. Essential are taurine and 
 calcium, unless you're feeding raw with bone, then you can skip the Ca.
  
I liked the list, as well, as it gave me new foods to look 
 into, but I was disappointed in most of them when I looked at the 
 ingredients. The only one I use from there is Hound and Gatos. The other 
 canned varieties seem to have too many extraneous ingredients, and I don't 
 feed raw to the FeLV group, not even my own preparation. Tiki is way too 
 expensive for  me to even consider (I think the Hound and Gatos is too high, 
 as well, but I do keep it in the mix) and most varieties have fish, which may 
 not be good for my FLUTD/FeLV boys. I confess that I feed some lpw-end 
 foods, simply beause I like the ingredient lists better than some of the high 
 end ones. It's all a choice :)
  
 HTH
  
 Margo
  
-Original Message- 
 From: cer...@new.rr.com 
 Sent: Jun 6, 2013 9:53 PM 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New To Group-Lance 
 
 That’s a great site-thanks!
 
 I’ve been feeding mine Tiki Cat, and I was wondering...in
 looking at it and reading the ingredients list, wouldn’t it be
 a lot cheaper and just as good to boil some chicken and add
 a cat vitamin?
  
 Chris C.
  
  
 From: Lance
 Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 6:32 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New To Group-Lance
  
 Ember was four years old when she tested positive, but she must have had the 
 disease prior to that. She might have been as young as two or three years old 
 when the infection became persistent. We still don't know how the virus got 
 into the house, whether through Ember herself or a stray kitten my parents 
 took in who was later euthanized due to symptoms a year and a half later.
  
 About lymphoma, please join the feline lymphoma Yahoo! group. The support 
 there is amazing, and a vet frequently comments there.
  
 I'm glad that the others aren't showing symptoms. My Ember has thankfully had 
 very few issues with the virus. Her main symptoms are: low white blood cell 
 count, anisocoria (one pupil is fully open all the time), and some very minor 
 bouts of diarrhea (not in the last few years) and upper respiratory 
 infections. For the most part, she gets sick like a normal cat.
  
 You may want to check this blog post that covers cat food:
  
 http://www.naturalcatcareblog.com/2010/12/the-7-best-natural-commercial-cat-foods-so-far/
  
 Ember eats Tiki Cat these days, which is the priciest stuff, but other brands 
 like Hound  Gatos and Great Life Essentials are more affordable.
  
 On Jun 6, 2013, at 5:33 PM, kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Hi Lance,
  
  
 Are any of your FeLV+ cats showing symptoms?
 ***Besides Jack, who has lymphoma, none of the other cats show any symptoms.
 Lance, when was your girl diagnosed with it?
 Kasia
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] struggling tonight

2013-06-07 Thread Margo



Hi Karen,

 I agree with the majority of this :)

 I treat the symptoms with FeLV cats. My Vet is on board with this, and sees no point in bloodwork at every turn. There are occasions where itis warranted, but I wouldn't think this is one, at this point. Start with the basics. Does Cole have a temperature? Keep a thermometer on hand, it's essential for FeLV cats that you be able to determine this quickly. If it's only tonight tha he hasn't eaten, and there's no fever, give him a chance to get better. I know it's really difficult to sit on yours hands, but try to hold out. Offer food, but don't push it. 

How is he acting, otherwise? Is he alert, responsive, aware of his surroundings? Or is he lethargic, and "outof it"? Is he drinking? 

 The one thing I would consider withcaution is the Convenia. If you can get medication into a cat orally,I'd suggest (if an antibiotic seems warranted) trying to do that. Convenia sticks around for a long time (it's theraputic for 7 days, but can be detected for 2-4 weeks) and if the cat has an adverse reaction, you can't simply stop it. While drugscan beprescribed in multiples, it's more common to stop one if it doesn't help before adding another. Convenia seems to be indicated for skin infections, but onthe plus side, doesn't seem to cause GI symptoms. 

http://www.drugs.com/vet/convenia.html

 Clavamox is a great broad spectrum abx, but notorious for causing vomiting and diarreah.

 Is your Vet one who will take phone calls? It might be worth asking what s/he would suggest There are drugs like Cerenia that could help if the vomiting continues.

 Please keep us up to date on Cole, we'll be pulling for him :)

All the best,

Margo



.-Original Message- From: Lee Evans Sent: Jun 7, 2013 6:00 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] struggling tonight 
It's OK Karen. We all panic when our not-so-normal cats get sick because we assume that it's the FIV+ or FeLv+ that has kicked in and is going to deprive them of their little bit of happiness but I have learned to center myself and think positively about cat illness. First I try something obvious, that I would with an ordinary cat. In the case of throwing up and not eating, I try Petromalt, a hairball and constipation remedy. It's inexpensive and sometimes after a few hefty doses, the cat it cured. I also feel ears. Are they hot? Nose dry and too warm? That's a sign of fever. Take to vet and get a Convenia shot, a long acting antibiotic. Give your cats a feline vitamin compound with iron to build up the blood and prevent anemia. Open his mouth and see if his gums and tongue are pink, like a normal cat. Flea treat with Frontline Plus for fleas so no flea anemia gets him. But also reserve the option of taking him to the vet. You don't need massive blood tests and other tests. Most cats will respond to an antibiotic, even those who are positive for something. Your CRF cat is different. You need to take to vet at first sign of illness or at least call the vet and describe the symptoms. Cats don't like being hauled to the vet. Stress on top of not feeling well makes things worse.


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Hi, Ijoined all of these group cause I have kittys with all of these illnesses---one with CRF, 4 with feline leukemia, and little Tig that I lost had very bad anemia/feline leukemia/upper respiratory/etc.etc.and unfortunately I know that Anemiais probably coming for my 4 kittys with feline leukemia---just a matter of when.My kitty with CRF has slight anemia. I have 5 othercats that live with me and there are 2 little ones that recently showed up on my patio.

Tonight I am sitting up with one of my kitties that has feline leukemia because he is sick he is throwing up white bubbly phlem and would not eat tonight. (before tonight, he was doing so good I thought that he might be one of the lucky ones that would fight off this awful illness before his second test) 

Coleis very sick and I am very very worried about him and just trying to figure out what I am going to do next so that I don't loose him like I lost his brother little Tig recently

As I read through all the posts I realize that there are a lot of caring people out there trying very hard to do what I am doingkeep their cats as happy and healthy as they can and with them as long as they can. It is a good thing that there are so many caring people,but a sad thing that there are so many sick little cats. .I also wonder how all of you afford to get all the tests and medicines, as I am really 

[Felvtalk] struggling tonight

2013-06-07 Thread Karen Harshbarger
Thanks to all for the calming support and suggestions.  I guess I panic because 
I just lost my little Tig(Cole's brother) not that long ago (little over a 
month ago).  It was when Tig stopped eating that he went down very fast in just 
a short time and he never came back to me-and I feel I did not panic enough 
or do enough when he first stopped eating.  Rest assured he will get lots of 
love and I will try not to put him through a lot of useless things.  Thanks 
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Re: [Felvtalk] prayers

2013-06-07 Thread Beth
Karen-

Wishing Cole well. I just went through the same thing with one of my FeLV's I 
had to force-feed him for a week. He finally started eating a little on his own 
this past Sunday.
He had a URI, though it was hard to tell he was congested until you got right 
next to him  could hear a little wheezing.
You do just have to treat the symptoms as with any other cat. The only thing I 
would make sure of is that his gums are pink.
I hope he feels better soon. I know how hard it is to see them sick.


Beth


 
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 3:30 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] prayers
 


Just need some prayers tonight for Cole.  He tested positive along with his 
brothers for feline leukemia about 3 months ago.  The have all been doing 
pretty good, eating well, playing, happy and loving, etc.  But then two of his 
brothers started having problems with scab like bumps and the vet doesn't seem 
to know what it is.  Now Cole refused to eat his supper tonight and I am so 
worried for him and his brothers.  They are due for their second test in about 
a week.  They were doing so good I was hoping that they would test negative and 
was able to fight their exposure.  But now with this I am so afraid for them.  
And not eating is the worst, cause I am so afraid he won't start eating again.  
Please say a prayer for him that it is just a little normal stomach upset and 
tomorrow he will clean his plate at breakfast.  
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Re: [Felvtalk] prayers

2013-06-07 Thread Lance
Cole will be in my prayers, Karen. And you, too. We're pulling for a quick 
recovery.

Lance

On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Karen-
 
 Wishing Cole well. I just went through the same thing with one of my FeLV's I 
 had to force-feed him for a week. He finally started eating a little on his 
 own this past Sunday.
 He had a URI, though it was hard to tell he was congested until you got right 
 next to him  could hear a little wheezing.
 You do just have to treat the symptoms as with any other cat. The only thing 
 I would make sure of is that his gums are pink.
 I hope he feels better soon. I know how hard it is to see them sick.
 
 Beth
 
  
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 From: Karen Harshbarger harshbargerka...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 3:30 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] prayers
 
 Just need some prayers tonight for Cole.  He tested positive along with his 
 brothers for feline leukemia about 3 months ago.  The have all been doing 
 pretty good, eating well, playing, happy and loving, etc.  But then two of 
 his brothers started having problems with scab like bumps and the vet doesn't 
 seem to know what it is.  Now Cole refused to eat his supper tonight and I am 
 so worried for him and his brothers.  They are due for their second test in 
 about a week.  They were doing so good I was hoping that they would test 
 negative and was able to fight their exposure.  But now with this I am so 
 afraid for them.  And not eating is the worst, cause I am so afraid he won't 
 start eating again.  Please say a prayer for him that it is just a little 
 normal stomach upset and tomorrow he will clean his plate at breakfast. 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Homemade food for FeLV cats

2013-06-07 Thread Betheny Laubenthal
I feed a balanced raw diet to my 10 month old.  He gets a mixture of
cornish game hen (with bone), liver, chicken (with bone), turkey, beef and
pork.  He's thriving on it.  I don't follow a recipe per say because I've
been feeding my 10 year old IBD kitty a raw diet for 3 years and have
managed to figure out what I need to feed and when and in what portions.  I
make sure that the meals balance within a 2 week time frame.  I get my
meats from the local grocery store (non chain as they buy local meats-which
seem to be the only ones my IBD kitty can handle).


On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,

 Do you use dr. Lisa Pearson or Dr. Pitcarns recipes for homemade food for
 cats?
 I'm planning on starting to feed homemade food to Kitty, 11month FeLV
 positive girl
 I rescued . Any suggestions?
 I have their recipes but any other suggestions are welcome,

 Thanks,

 Mally and Kitty

 Sent from my iPhone.

 On Jun 7, 2013, at 7:17, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote:


  Hi Chris,



It's very possible to make your own cat food, and I
 have/do. It isn't as simple as chicken + a cat vitamin, but it isn't that
 difficult either. Google Home prepared cat food and start reading
 recipes. I use no grain and very few (if any) veggies and fruits. Essential
 are taurine and calcium, unless you're feeding raw with bone, then you can
 skip the Ca.



I liked the list, as well, as it gave me new foods to look
 into, but I was disappointed in most of them when I looked at the
 ingredients. The only one I use from there is Hound and Gatos. The other
 canned varieties seem to have too many extraneous ingredients, and I don't
 feed raw to the FeLV group, not even my own preparation. Tiki is way too
 expensive for  me to even consider (I think the Hound and Gatos is too
 high, as well, but I do keep it in the mix) and most varieties have fish,
 which may not be good for my FLUTD/FeLV boys. I confess that I feed some
 lpw-end foods, simply beause I like the ingredient lists better than some
 of the high end ones. It's all a choice :)



 HTH



 Margo



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 Sent: Jun 6, 2013 9:53 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New To Group-Lance

 
  That’s a great site-thanks!

 I’ve been feeding mine Tiki Cat, and I was wondering...in
 looking at it and reading the ingredients list, wouldn’t it be
 a lot cheaper and just as good to boil some chicken and add
 a cat vitamin?

 Chris C.


  *From:* Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
 *Sent:* Thursday, June 06, 2013 6:32 PM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] New To Group-Lance

  Ember was four years old when she tested positive, but she must have had
 the disease prior to that. She might have been as young as two or three
 years old when the infection became persistent. We still don't know how the
 virus got into the house, whether through Ember herself or a stray kitten
 my parents took in who was later euthanized due to symptoms a year and a
 half later.

 About lymphoma, please join the feline lymphoma Yahoo! group. The support
 there is amazing, and a vet frequently comments there.

 I'm glad that the others aren't showing symptoms. My Ember has thankfully
 had very few issues with the virus. Her main symptoms are: low white blood
 cell count, anisocoria (one pupil is fully open all the time), and some
 very minor bouts of diarrhea (not in the last few years) and upper
 respiratory infections. For the most part, she gets sick like a normal cat.

 You may want to check this blog post that covers cat food:

 
 http://www.naturalcatcareblog.com/2010/12/the-7-best-natural-commercial-cat-foods-so-far/
 

 Ember eats Tiki Cat these days, which is the priciest stuff, but other
 brands like Hound  Gatos and Great Life Essentials are more affordable.

  On Jun 6, 2013, at 5:33 PM, kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.com wrote:

   Hi Lance,


 Are any of your FeLV+ cats showing symptoms?
 ***Besides Jack, who has lymphoma, none of the other cats show any
 symptoms.
 Lance, when was your girl diagnosed with it?
 Kasia


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[Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle

2013-06-07 Thread kasia mosko
Hi All,

So I am getting myself ready for the emergency situations, since the most 
important thing with felv cats is not to let them get sick. I am wondering what 
exactly do  I need? So far I've got on my list: scale to monitor their weight, 
thermometer, antibiotics  (in case i see any scratches) to prevent infections. 
I definitely need something good for immune system. I also talked with the vet 
and we decided to put them on interferon alpha...may help. Please, members with 
felv experience, let me know what else could be helpful.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle

2013-06-07 Thread Lance
I've given Ember a product called Liquid DMG off and on. Vetri Science seems to 
be a reliable company, and I don't believe there's a risk of side effects. You 
might want to discuss this with a holistic vet in your area.

Everything you mention is great to have. I don't think you'll need much else. 
What you mainly want to do is beware of how the cats are behaving, how well 
they eat and drink, how well they use the box, and how everyone generally 
feels. Your eyes, ears, and attention to detail are more useful than anything 
you could buy. That said, be careful not to scrutinize too much. As others have 
said, FeLV+ cats get illnesses that may have nothing to do with FeLV, and those 
are often treatable.

Lance

On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:07 AM, kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 So I am getting myself ready for the emergency situations, since the most 
 important thing with felv cats is not to let them get sick. I am wondering 
 what exactly do  I need? So far I've got on my list: scale to monitor their 
 weight, thermometer, antibiotics  (in case i see any scratches) to prevent 
 infections. I definitely need something good for immune system. I also talked 
 with the vet and we decided to put them on interferon alpha...may help. 
 Please, members with felv experience, let me know what else could be helpful.
 
 Thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle

2013-06-07 Thread Lance
I see that I wrote beware where I meant be aware. 

A few options you may want to discuss with a holistic vet:

Thorne Research - Immugen
Atlas World - Agaricus Bio for Dogs and Cats
4Life - Transfer Factor Plus

You wouldn't necessarily want them on all of that at the same time, but those 
are a few more options.

The reason I think working with a holistic vet is a good idea is that they can 
help you coordinate an approach as well as vouch for supplements that they use.

On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 I've given Ember a product called Liquid DMG off and on. Vetri Science seems 
 to be a reliable company, and I don't believe there's a risk of side effects. 
 You might want to discuss this with a holistic vet in your area.
 
 Everything you mention is great to have. I don't think you'll need much else. 
 What you mainly want to do is beware of how the cats are behaving, how well 
 they eat and drink, how well they use the box, and how everyone generally 
 feels. Your eyes, ears, and attention to detail are more useful than anything 
 you could buy. That said, be careful not to scrutinize too much. As others 
 have said, FeLV+ cats get illnesses that may have nothing to do with FeLV, 
 and those are often treatable.
 
 Lance
 
 On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:07 AM, kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 So I am getting myself ready for the emergency situations, since the most 
 important thing with felv cats is not to let them get sick. I am wondering 
 what exactly do  I need? So far I've got on my list: scale to monitor their 
 weight, thermometer, antibiotics  (in case i see any scratches) to prevent 
 infections. I definitely need something good for immune system. I also 
 talked with the vet and we decided to put them on interferon alpha...may 
 help. Please, members with felv experience, let me know what else could be 
 helpful.
 
 Thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle

2013-06-07 Thread Beth
L-Lysine is good, also. I cc twice per day. I usually only use it when they get 
sick, like my cat with the URI, but some people use it every day. It doesn't 
taste bad. It also comes in a powder you can sprinkle on their food.


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 From: kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 11:07 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle
 


Hi All,

So I am getting myself ready for the emergency situations, since the most 
important thing with felv cats is not to let them get sick. I am wondering what 
exactly do  I need? So far I've got on my list: scale to monitor their weight, 
thermometer, antibiotics  (in case i see any scratches) to prevent infections. 
I definitely need something good for immune system. I also talked with the vet 
and we decided to put them on interferon alpha...may help. Please, members with 
felv experience, let me know what else could be helpful.

Thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle

2013-06-07 Thread designercats cats
I've used Transfer Factor Plus Tri Factor for FeLV+ cats for several years. 
It's the best immune booster  I've tried. Also, I use the Agaricus Blazeii. 
Although all of the FeLV+ cats that I've taken in have come very ill and 
emaciated, once all the infections are treated and their immune system is built 
up, they haven't had for a few years. Mattie is the third one that has gotten 
lymphoma though after being healthy for 4 1/2 - 5 years. That seems to be the 
pattern here. One came with endocarditis but he lived 5 years with the right 
medical treatment and the transfer factor.
El

 
From: lini...@fastmail.fm
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 10:54:00 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle

I see that I wrote beware where I meant be aware. 
A few options you may want to discuss with a holistic vet:
Thorne Research - ImmugenAtlas World - Agaricus Bio for Dogs and Cats4Life - 
Transfer Factor Plus
You wouldn't necessarily want them on all of that at the same time, but those 
are a few more options.
The reason I think working with a holistic vet is a good idea is that they can 
help you coordinate an approach as well as vouch for supplements that they use.
On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:I've given Ember 
a product called Liquid DMG off and on. Vetri Science seems to be a reliable 
company, and I don't believe there's a risk of side effects. You might want to 
discuss this with a holistic vet in your area.
Everything you mention is great to have. I don't think you'll need much else. 
What you mainly want to do is beware of how the cats are behaving, how well 
they eat and drink, how well they use the box, and how everyone generally 
feels. Your eyes, ears, and attention to detail are more useful than anything 
you could buy. That said, be careful not to scrutinize too much. As others have 
said, FeLV+ cats get illnesses that may have nothing to do with FeLV, and those 
are often treatable.
Lance
On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:07 AM, kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.com wrote:Hi All,
So I am getting myself ready for the emergency situations, since the most 
important thing with felv cats is not to let them get sick. I am wondering what 
exactly do  I need? So far I've got on my list: scale to monitor their weight, 
thermometer, antibiotics  (in case i see any scratches) to prevent infections. 
I definitely need something good for immune system. I also talked with the vet 
and we decided to put them on interferon alpha...may help. Please, members with 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Homemade food for FeLV cats

2013-06-07 Thread Margo






Hi Mally,

 G. Please throw Pitcairns recipes as far down the street as possible. Lisa Pearson's is much better, and I use a raw recipe very close to hers. But I don't know if she offers a cooked recipe, and I am very hesitant about using raw with immune compromised kitties. At this point, I'm feeding that bunch canned.

 I'm sure there are good cooked recipes out there, and you have motivated me to look for them:)

All the best,

Margo
 

.-Original Message- From: Maryam Ulomi Sent: Jun 7, 2013 8:04 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Cc: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: [Felvtalk] Homemade food for FeLV cats 
Hello,

Do you use dr. Lisa Pearson or Dr. Pitcarns recipes for homemade food for cats?
I'm planning on starting to feed homemade food to Kitty, 11month FeLV positive girl
I rescued . Any suggestions?
I have their recipes but any other suggestions are welcome,

Thanks,

Mally and Kitty

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Hi Chris,

 It's very possible to make your own cat food, and I have/do. It isn't as simple as chicken + a cat vitamin, but it isn't that difficult either. Google "Home prepared cat food" and start reading recipes. I use no grain and very few (if any) veggies and fruits. Essential are taurine and calcium, unless you're feeding raw with bone, then you can skip the Ca. 

 I liked the list, as well, as it gave me new foods to look into, but I was disappointed in most of them when I looked at the ingredients. The only one I use from there is Hound and Gatos. The other canned varieties seem to have too many extraneous ingredients, and I don't feed raw to the FeLV group, not even my own preparation. Tiki is way too expensive for me to even consider (I think the Hound and Gatos is too high, as well, but I do keep it in the mix) and most varieties have fish, which may not be good for my FLUTD/FeLV boys. I confess that I feed some "lpw-end" foods, simply beause I like the ingredient lists better than some of the high end ones. It's all a choice :)

HTH

Margo

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That’s a great site-thanks!I’ve been feeding mine Tiki Cat, and I was wondering...in
looking at it and reading the ingredients list, wouldn’t it be
a lot cheaper and just as good to boil some chicken and add
a cat vitamin?

Chris C.





From: Lance 
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 6:32 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
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Ember was four years old when she tested positive, but she must have had the disease prior to that. She might have been as young as two or three years old when the infection became persistent. We still don't know how the virus got into the house, whether through Ember herself or a stray kitten my parents took in who was later euthanized due to symptoms a year and a half later.

About lymphoma, please join the feline lymphoma Yahoo! group. The support there is amazing, and a vet frequently comments there.

I'm glad that the others aren't showing symptoms. My Ember has thankfully had very few issues with the virus. Her main symptoms are: low white blood cell count, anisocoria (one pupil is fully open all the time), and some very minor bouts of diarrhea (not in the last few years) and upper respiratory infections. For the most part, she gets sick like a normal cat. 

You may want to check this blog post that covers cat food:

http://www.naturalcatcareblog.com/2010/12/the-7-best-natural-commercial-cat-foods-so-far/

Ember eats Tiki Cat these days, which is the priciest stuff, but other brands like Hound  Gatos and Great Life Essentials are more affordable.


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Hi Lance,







Are any of your FeLV+ cats showing symptoms? 
***Besides Jack, who has lymphoma, none of the other cats show any symptoms.
Lance, when was your girl diagnosed with it?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle-El

2013-06-07 Thread kasia mosko
Hi El,

I actually have at home Transfer Factor Classic, I used it last year for my 
late cat. What is the dosage, do you remember? So, your kitties were ok for 
about  five years after being diagnosed? 
Thanks,
Kasia



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Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle
 


 
I've used Transfer Factor Plus Tri Factor for FeLV+ cats for several years. 
It's the best immune booster  I've tried. Also, I use the Agaricus Blazeii. 
Although all of the FeLV+ cats that I've taken in have come very ill and 
emaciated, once all the infections are treated and their immune system is built 
up, they haven't had for a few years. Mattie is the third one that has gotten 
lymphoma though after being healthy for 4 1/2 - 5 years. That seems to be the 
pattern here. One came with endocarditis but he lived 5 years with the right 
medical treatment and the transfer factor.
El

 



From: lini...@fastmail.fm
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 10:54:00 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle


I see that I wrote beware where I meant be aware. 

A few options you may want to discuss with a holistic vet:

Thorne Research - Immugen
Atlas World - Agaricus Bio for Dogs and Cats
4Life - Transfer Factor Plus

You wouldn't necessarily want them on all of that at the same time, but those 
are a few more options.

The reason I think working with a holistic vet is a good idea is that they can 
help you coordinate an approach as well as vouch for supplements that they use.

On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:

I've given Ember a product called Liquid DMG off and on. Vetri Science seems to 
be a reliable company, and I don't believe there's a risk of side effects. You 
might want to discuss this with a holistic vet in your area.


Everything you mention is great to have. I don't think you'll need much else. 
What you mainly want to do is beware of how the cats are behaving, how well 
they eat and drink, how well they use the box, and how everyone generally 
feels. Your eyes, ears, and attention to detail are more useful than anything 
you could buy. That said, be careful not to scrutinize too much. As others 
have said, FeLV+ cats get illnesses that may have nothing to do with FeLV, and 
those are often treatable.


Lance

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Hi All,


So I am getting myself ready for the emergency situations, since the most 
important thing with felv cats is not to let them get sick. I am wondering 
what exactly do  I need? So far I've got on my list: scale to monitor their 
weight, thermometer, antibiotics  (in case i see any scratches) to prevent 
infections. I definitely need something good for immune system. I also talked 
with the vet and we decided to put them on interferon alpha...may help. 
Please, members with felv experience, let me know what else could be helpful.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle

2013-06-07 Thread Margo



 I use Lysine as well, to keep herpes infection at bay. 250 mgs per cat, twice a day(in food)for prevention, 500 for an outbreak. I don't think it helps with much other that herpes, but it's on my can't-hurt-might-help list :)

Margo


-Original Message- From: Beth Sent: Jun 7, 2013 11:59 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle 
L-Lysine is good, also. I cc twice per day. I usually only use it when they get sick, like my cat with the URI, but some people use it every day. It doesn't taste bad. It also comes in a powder you can sprinkle on their food.

Beth
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Hi All,

So I am getting myself ready for the emergency situations, since the most important thing with felv cats is not to let them get sick. I am wondering what exactly do I need? So far I've got on my list: scale to monitor their weight, thermometer, antibiotics (in case i see any scratches) to prevent infections. I definitely need something good for immune system. I also talked with the vet and we decided to put them on interferon alpha...may help. Please, members with felv experience, let me know what else could be helpful.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle

2013-06-07 Thread Margo



Hi Kasia,

 My cats two "actives" are on Interferon Alfa, DMG and Lysine. My cats in generalhave their own well stockedmedicine cabinet, but it isn't all used for the FeLVcats. I have used Lactated Ringers, lines and needles to give fluids, injectible and oral B-12 and B Complex, cyproheptadine (appetite stimulant), and famciclovir (for herpes). 

 Could you clarify when you say "antibiotics (in case I see scratches) to prevent infection" please? Do you mean topical? Or systemic? Antibiotics are generally used to treat infection, not prevent it, so I'm a little unclear. I have several topical and opthalmic antibiotic drops and ointments, andI keep certain oral/injectible antibiotics on hand, but I deal with a LOT of cats, and have some experience (and a great Vet) to guide me in using them.It's hard decide what to stock ahead of time, and expensive to keep everything on hand, and most of it will likely go to waste. Maybe your Vet would supply you with enough of something like Clavamox to get you through a weekend when they might be closed, if you asked?

 I'll see what else I can think of that might help,

Margo


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Hi All,

So I am getting myself ready for the emergency situations, since the most important thing with felv cats is not to let them get sick. I am wondering what exactly do I need? So far I've got on my list: scale to monitor their weight, thermometer, antibiotics (in case i see any scratches) to prevent infections. I definitely need something good for immune system. I also talked with the vet and we decided to put them on interferon alpha...may help. Please, members with felv experience, let me know what else could be helpful.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle

2013-06-07 Thread Margo





Hi Kasia,

 .I forgot to mention ImmunoRegulin. I have that at my Vet's, should we decide to try it. It is discussed on the website, and is actually available OTC. The catch is that it needs to be given IV, which is tough to do at home. You might check into that, as well.

Margo 

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Hi All,

So I am getting myself ready for the emergency situations, since the most important thing with felv cats is not to let them get sick. I am wondering what exactly do I need? So far I've got on my list: scale to monitor their weight, thermometer, antibiotics (in case i see any scratches) to prevent infections. I definitely need something good for immune system. I also talked with the vet and we decided to put them on interferon alpha...may help. Please, members with felv experience, let me know what else could be helpful.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Clavamox aka Augmentin

2013-06-07 Thread Margo







 Hi Lee,

 I have Clavamox in 250 mgs and 375 mgs, as well as the 62.5 mgs that are for the cats. Augmentinseemsto be 250, 500, and 875. I can figure that :)

Margo

-Original Message- From: Lee Evans Sent: Jun 6, 2013 10:16 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clavamox aka Augmentin 
You would have to take a whole lot of Clavamox to make up the mgs. that you would need. Augmentin is a much higher mg. dose than what is given to cats.But then again, you could take as many pills to make up the difference and you would not have to deal with a physician who might report you to the Health Department and endanger your cat who simply had a bad fur day and bit you.


Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too!








From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.netTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 9:41 AMSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clavamox aka Augmentin
Hi Lorrie,Yes, I know, my point was that I always have Clavamox (and other Abx) on hand for the critters, so don't feel the need to keep the "human" form :). Since I get most of my drugs by the bottle, I often find that what I'm giving is actually labeled for human use.Margo-Original Message-From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.comSent: Jun 6, 2013 7:11 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clavamox aka AugmentinMargo, you are correct. Clavamox is the vet version of Augmentinfor humans.L.On 06-05, Margo wrote:  I keep Clavamox, which of course is the Veterinary version of Augmentin. Just more convenient :)  Margo ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

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Re: [Felvtalk] struggling tonight

2013-06-07 Thread cerwin
I don’t have anything to add to the good advice you have already gotten,
but am sending good energy to all involved. Please let us know how
things go.

Chris C.


From: Karen Harshbarger 
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 8:00 AM
To: moonsiste...@yahoo.com ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: [Felvtalk] struggling tonight

Thanks to all for the calming support and suggestions.  I guess I panic because 
I just lost my little Tig(Cole's brother) not that long ago (little over a 
month ago).  It was when Tig stopped eating that he went down very fast in just 
a short time and he never came back to me-and I feel I did not panic enough 
or do enough when he first stopped eating.  Rest assured he will get lots of 
love and I will try not to put him through a lot of useless things.  Thanks 
again, Karen



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Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle

2013-06-07 Thread Beth
You can get L-Lysine pills, but they also make a gel - Viralys, that is really 
easy to administer.
L-Lysine can help boost the immune system  also helps treat stomatitis, which 
is very prevalent in FeLV cats.


Beth 

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Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle
 


 

 
   I use Lysine as well, to keep herpes infection at bay. 250 mgs 
per cat, twice a day(in food) for prevention, 500 for an outbreak. I don't 
think it helps with much other that herpes, but it's on my 
can't-hurt-might-help list :)
 
Margo
 
 
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From: Beth 
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle 


L-Lysine is good, also. I cc twice per day. I usually only use it when they 
get sick, like my cat with the URI, but some people use it every day. It 
doesn't taste bad. It also comes in a powder you can sprinkle on their food.



Beth

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Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 11:07 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle



Hi All,


So I am getting myself ready for the emergency situations, since the most 
important thing with felv cats is not to let them get sick. I am wondering 
what exactly do  I need? So far I've got on my list: scale to monitor their 
weight, thermometer, antibiotics  (in case i see any scratches) to prevent 
infections. I definitely need something good for immune system. I also talked 
with the vet and we decided to put them on interferon alpha...may help. 
Please, members with felv experience, let me know what else could be helpful.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle-El

2013-06-07 Thread designercats cats



Hi Kasia,
I've used the classic formula but haven't been impressed with it, so I only use 
the TF plus Tri Factor for FeLV and other sick cats. It is expensive, 
especially if you're giving it to several cats. I wouldn't use it on a cancer 
kitty though because you don't want to stimulate the immune system. I haven't 
used ImmunoRegulin as it's not available here.I don't use L-lysine but if I did 
I'd probably give an Arginine supplement too.El  

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Hi El,
I actually have at home Transfer Factor Classic, I used it last year for my 
late cat. What is the dosage, do you remember? So, your kitties were ok for 
about  five years after being diagnosed? Thanks,Kasia
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I've used Transfer Factor Plus Tri Factor for FeLV+ cats for several years. 
It's the best immune booster  I've tried. Also, I use the Agaricus Blazeii. 
Although all of the FeLV+ cats that I've taken in have come very ill and 
emaciated, once all the infections are treated and their immune system is built 
up, they haven't had for a few years. Mattie is the third one that has gotten 
lymphoma though after being healthy for 4 1/2 - 5 years. That seems to be the 
pattern here. One came with endocarditis but he lived 5 years with the right 
medical treatment and the transfer factor.
El

 
From: lini...@fastmail.fm
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 10:54:00 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle

I see that I wrote beware where I meant be aware. 
A few options
 you may want to discuss with a holistic vet:
Thorne Research - ImmugenAtlas World - Agaricus Bio for Dogs and Cats4Life - 
Transfer Factor Plus
You wouldn't necessarily want them on all of that at the same time, but those 
are a few more options.
The reason I think working with a holistic vet is a good idea is that they can 
help you coordinate an approach as well as vouch for supplements that they use.
On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:I've given Ember 
a product called Liquid DMG off and on. Vetri Science seems to be a reliable 
company, and I don't believe there's a risk of side effects. You might want to
 discuss this with a holistic vet in your area.
Everything you mention is great to have. I don't think you'll need much else. 
What you mainly want to do is beware of how the cats are behaving, how well 
they eat and drink, how well they use the box, and how everyone generally 
feels. Your eyes, ears, and attention to detail are more useful than anything 
you could buy. That said, be careful not to scrutinize too much. As others have 
said, FeLV+ cats get illnesses that may have nothing to do with FeLV, and those 
are often treatable.
Lance
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So I am getting myself ready for the emergency situations, since the most 
important thing with felv cats is not to let them get sick. I am wondering what 
exactly do  I need? So far I've got on my list: scale to monitor their weight, 
thermometer, antibiotics  (in case i see any scratches) to prevent infections. 
I definitely need something good for immune system. I also talked with the vet 
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Re: [Felvtalk] New Member

2013-06-07 Thread Margo



Dear Deborah,

 What a lousy way to start off as a Foster Mom. It isn't usually like that. Usually you get to play with wonderful little beings, and then send them to their Forever homes. It's never easy to let them go, but knowing that they will have new lives, and you can go on to help the next ones, it kind of balances out.

Unfortunately, there don't seem to be any hard and fast rules for FeLV. From my research, It seems that while cats can test negative and yet still harbor the virus, when they DO test negative, they are not contagious. The problem is multi-faceted, though. In your case, wedon't know when the MomCat sero-coverted to positive. Was it during her stay with you? After she left you? If that, then the kittens have a good chance of never testing positive. It's also possible, in fact most likely,that the MomCat was exposed before she was taken into rescue. The incubation period for FeLV is variable, and that's the biggest problem. We just don't know what the time frames are. It's also possible for a cat to test negative, become positive (after incubation) and then recover completely. That can takeup 16 weeks, some sources say longer. From; http://abcd-vets.org/guidelines/guidelines_pdf/1201-FeLV_Guideline.pdf, when discussing positive yet healthy cats;

"Cats testing positive may overcome viraemia after two to sixteen weeks - in rare
cases even later. Therefore, every test-positive healthy cat should be separated
and retested after several weeks or months;"

 So, it is very possible that they will be negative in 30 days, but they may be positive. The question is whether they will STAY positive. Or stay negative. Even if they become positive, and return to negative, it won't be clear whether they still harbor the virus, or have cleared it completely. 

This is no help, I know. I wish there were more I could tell you, but I'm struggling to understand it, myself. 

All the best,

Margo


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Hi all,

I'm a new member of this group hoping to better understand FeLv and the situation that I'm in. Last month, I decided to foster kittens for my local humane society as a summer project with my 2 girls (age 7 and 10 years). We were given a momma cat and her 3 kittens who were about 4-5 weeks old, found as strays. All were initially tested for FeLv and came back negative (I don't know which test HS used.) After helping momma wean her kittens, I returned her to the shelter this past weekend. Yesterday she was retested for FeLV before her spay surgery and was positive. (HS checked both her blood and serum.) Today, I took the kittens back to HS for testing and they are negative for FeLV. I agreed to continue fostering them for 30 days and then they will be retested.

How much hope do these kittens have? Is there any chance that they will continue to be negative for FeLV? I'm so stressed about all this. My kids are heart-broken. I feel like everything is going all wrong. First, they all got URI and one kitten got a persistent eye infection that took three different antibiotics until it finally cleared up. But her eye is all clouded over and she is probably blind in that eye. And now this FeLV scare. I don't know if I can handle fostering.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle

2013-06-07 Thread Margo



Hi Beth, 

 Could you point me towards more information about that? While I've heard it mentioned, I haven't foundanything to supportit, and am very interested. I use the Now L-Lysine powder, about $13 per pound. 

Margo

-Original Message- From: Beth Sent: Jun 7, 2013 2:38 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle 
You can get L-Lysine pills, but they also make a gel - Viralys, that is really easy to administer.L-Lysine can help boost the immune system  also helps treat stomatitis, which is very prevalent in FeLV cats.

Beth 
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From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.netTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 12:25 PMSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle






 I use Lysine as well, to keep herpes infection at bay. 250 mgs per cat, twice a day(in food)for prevention, 500 for an outbreak. I don't think it helps with much other that herpes, but it's on my can't-hurt-might-help list :)

Margo


-Original Message- From: Beth Sent: Jun 7, 2013 11:59 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle 
L-Lysine is good, also. I cc twice per day. I usually only use it when they get sick, like my cat with the URI, but some people use it every day. It doesn't taste bad. It also comes in a powder you can sprinkle on their food.

Beth
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From: kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.comTo: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 11:07 AMSubject: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle




Hi All,

So I am getting myself ready for the emergency situations, since the most important thing with felv cats is not to let them get sick. I am wondering what exactly do I need? So far I've got on my list: scale to monitor their weight, thermometer, antibiotics (in case i see any scratches) to prevent infections. I definitely need something good for immune system. I also talked with the vet and we decided to put them on interferon alpha...may help. Please, members with felv experience, let me know what else could be helpful.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle

2013-06-07 Thread Beth
I've personally had success using  Viralys with stomatitis. The shelter gives 
it to me.


Beth 

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 From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle
 


 

 
Hi Beth, 
 
 Could you point me towards more information about that? While 
I've heard it mentioned, I haven't foundanything to support it, and am very 
interested. I use the Now L-Lysine powder, about $13 per pound. 
 
Margo
 
-Original Message- 
From: Beth 
Sent: Jun 7, 2013 2:38 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle 


You can get L-Lysine pills, but they also make a gel - Viralys, that is really 
easy to administer.
L-Lysine can help boost the immune system  also helps treat stomatitis, which 
is very prevalent in FeLV cats.



Beth 

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 From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle



 

 
   I use Lysine as well, to keep herpes infection at bay. 250 mgs 
per cat, twice a day(in food) for prevention, 500 for an outbreak. I don't 
think it helps with much other that herpes, but it's on my 
can't-hurt-might-help list :)
 
Margo
 
 
-Original Message- 
From: Beth 
Sent: Jun 7, 2013 11:59 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle 


L-Lysine is good, also. I cc twice per day. I usually only use it when they 
get sick, like my cat with the URI, but some people use it every day. It 
doesn't taste bad. It also comes in a powder you can sprinkle on their food.



Beth

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 11:07 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle



Hi All,


So I am getting myself ready for the emergency situations, since the most 
important thing with felv cats is not to let them get sick. I am wondering 
what exactly do  I need? So far I've got on my list: scale to monitor their 
weight, thermometer, antibiotics  (in case i see any scratches) to prevent 
infections. I definitely need something good for immune system. I also talked 
with the vet and we decided to put them on interferon alpha...may help. 
Please, members with felv experience, let me know what else could be helpful.


Thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle

2013-06-07 Thread Margo



Dear Beth,

 Okay, thanks. I'll keep looking.

Margo

-Original Message- From: Beth Sent: Jun 7, 2013 3:34 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle 
I've personally had success using Viralys with stomatitis. The shelter gives it to me.

Beth 
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From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.netTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 3:17 PMSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle






Hi Beth, 

 Could you point me towards more information about that? While I've heard it mentioned, I haven't foundanything to supportit, and am very interested. I use the Now L-Lysine powder, about $13 per pound. 

Margo

-Original Message- From: Beth Sent: Jun 7, 2013 2:38 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle 
You can get L-Lysine pills, but they also make a gel - Viralys, that is really easy to administer.L-Lysine can help boost the immune system  also helps treat stomatitis, which is very prevalent in FeLV cats.

Beth 
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!www.Furkids.org







From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.netTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 12:25 PMSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle






 I use Lysine as well, to keep herpes infection at bay. 250 mgs per cat, twice a day(in food)for prevention, 500 for an outbreak. I don't think it helps with much other that herpes, but it's on my can't-hurt-might-help list :)

Margo


-Original Message- From: Beth Sent: Jun 7, 2013 11:59 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle 
L-Lysine is good, also. I cc twice per day. I usually only use it when they get sick, like my cat with the URI, but some people use it every day. It doesn't taste bad. It also comes in a powder you can sprinkle on their food.

Beth
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!www.Furkids.org







From: kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.comTo: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 11:07 AMSubject: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle




Hi All,

So I am getting myself ready for the emergency situations, since the most important thing with felv cats is not to let them get sick. I am wondering what exactly do I need? So far I've got on my list: scale to monitor their weight, thermometer, antibiotics (in case i see any scratches) to prevent infections. I definitely need something good for immune system. I also talked with the vet and we decided to put them on interferon alpha...may help. Please, members with felv experience, let me know what else could be helpful.

Thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle

2013-06-07 Thread Lance
Vetri Science makes DMG chews that also contain l-lysine. They're a treat, if 
you can trick the cat into accepting them as such. 

Kasia, you might also want some canned raw pumpkin (not pie filler with spices, 
but raw pumpkin) on hand for initially treating diarrhea. Obviously, there are 
going to be times pumpkin alone won't take care of things, but it does help. 
Ember used to eat it like it was normal food. I think people often mix it with 
wet food. 

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2013-06-07 Thread Sherri Meschke
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Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle

2013-06-07 Thread Margo


   I bought the Optixcare L-Lysine chews. Labeled L-Lysine Nutritional 
Supplement for cats and kittens.

   The dogs like them :((

Margo


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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle

Vetri Science makes DMG chews that also contain l-lysine. They're a treat, if 
you can trick the cat into accepting them as such. 

Kasia, you might also want some canned raw pumpkin (not pie filler with 
spices, but raw pumpkin) on hand for initially treating diarrhea. Obviously, 
there are going to be times pumpkin alone won't take care of things, but it 
does help. Ember used to eat it like it was normal food. I think people often 
mix it with wet food. 

Lance
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Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle

2013-06-07 Thread Lance
In the treat hierarchy, the Vetri Science chews are near the bottom while Kitty 
Kaviar and Prescription Diet t/d are at the top. So like us: loving the junk 
food.

On Jun 7, 2013, at 5:00 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote:

 
 
   I bought the Optixcare L-Lysine chews. Labeled L-Lysine 
 Nutritional Supplement for cats and kittens.
 
   The dogs like them :((
 
 Margo
 
 
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 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
 Sent: Jun 7, 2013 4:54 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle
 
 Vetri Science makes DMG chews that also contain l-lysine. They're a treat, 
 if you can trick the cat into accepting them as such. 
 
 Kasia, you might also want some canned raw pumpkin (not pie filler with 
 spices, but raw pumpkin) on hand for initially treating diarrhea. Obviously, 
 there are going to be times pumpkin alone won't take care of things, but it 
 does help. Ember used to eat it like it was normal food. I think people 
 often mix it with wet food. 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] from: Sherri Meschke subject: Spam??

2013-06-07 Thread Michele Fougeres
Hi everyone, just wanted to let you know that I have been getting  some spam 
from this group, please all members check if some of you might have a virus in 
your computers. This is the second time I receive a link  with a weird address 
that has nothing to do FeLV. The first one was from another member.
Take care and thanks for your time,
Michéle :)

Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 14:47:48 -0700
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d...@mden.com; mrush...@corporatemallservices.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] from: Sherri Meschke subject:

http://www.acordeonpreciso.com/ib/qdszgvongygarqz/vkmbjezrii

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Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle-El

2013-06-07 Thread Lance
Kasia,

I've usually tried to do a capsule a day for my FeLV+ cat, but that doesn't 
work well now that she doesn't eat paté style foods. I don't think it tastes 
that great, and it's hart to hide the flavor in Tiki Cat. Need to figure out 
what I can do.

Best to you, Jack, and the other cats,

Lance

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 Hi El,
 
 I actually have at home Transfer Factor Classic, I used it last year for my 
 late cat. What is the dosage, do you remember? So, your kitties were ok for 
 about  five years after being diagnosed? 
 Thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] from: Sherri Meschke subject: Spam??

2013-06-07 Thread Maryam Ulomi
I received one too !

Sent from my iPhone.

On Jun 7, 2013, at 19:48, Michele Fougeres atomicbetti...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone, just wanted to let you know that I have been getting  some spam 
 from this group, please all members check if some of you might have a virus 
 in your computers. This is the second time I receive a link  with a weird 
 address that has nothing to do FeLV. The first one was from another member.
 
 Take care and thanks for your time,
 
 Michéle :)
 
 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 14:47:48 -0700
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