oh my gosh, I am so sorry. It is really shocking to lose someone that
young, I know. I am glad that she had 2 months with you, and that she went
on her own if she had to go.
Michelle
Dee,
I highly recommend taking Smokey to an internist, a vet
who has passed boards for internal medicine, usually present in larger hospitals
or veterinary referral centers. They are better diagnosticians. Your vet is
shooting in the dark a little.
If it is pneumonia, my cat Patches, who
I have seen very quick and positive results from Immuno-Regulin with two of
my cats, and so have several other people on this list.
Michelle
In a message dated 9/1/2006 1:47:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
have not
been here for years,,,I have a new kitten 8
I just read Phaewryn's poem about cats scratching couches. It's
great!
Michelle
Just so you know, I have also made the turkey mush from Nina's recipe for
my Lucy, but instead of cooking a whole turkey and taking it apart I buy the
ground Steltons free-range frozen turkey from the health food store, which comes
in 1 pound tubes, and use that instead. For the organs I buy
Hideyo, I am sorry if I missed it, but did you ever say which distributor
you got the FI from without FDA approval? I would really like to know.
Thanks,
Michelle
In a message dated 8/18/2006 10:15:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi, everyone, I got
feline
Nina, I am so sorry. But were you referring to my Simon? If so, he did not
have kidney failure. He had lymphoma in his liver and his spleen and bone
marrow. When he was dying the first time, or I thought he was, it was due to his
anemia from the lymphoma in his bone marrow. He had to stop
I understand. I only wrote that because I thought you were talking about my
Simon. When I thought he was dying the first time he was having some of the same
symptoms, but not all.
michelle
In a message dated 9/4/2006 1:23:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No
Click
here: Petition to allow the safe transportation of 150 dogs and 150 cats from
Beirut to the sanctuary of the United Stat
fyi, petition from Best Friends to try to get Israel to allow airlifting of
homeless cats and dogs from lebanon.
michelle
They're beautiful.
Michelle
When my friend Jessi lived with us, her 9 cats with good immune systems all
had toxo and they all had diarrhea from it. I am not sure if they had any
other symptoms, but they were negatives.
Michelle
In a message dated 9/4/2006 6:24:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you have prayers to spare in this terrible week with so many sick cats, please say a little one for Lucy. This time she relapsed at 7.5 mg/day of pred. I am more worried that her ibd could be morphing into lymphoma, as that is a pretty high dose. But maybe I just tapered her too quickly. I am
Nina, he is probably hiding somewhere very close to the house. But he
will probably also be hard to find if he does not want to be found.
Bruce is right, you know. I understand your franticness, and I would feel
exactly the same way. But what you really did, objectively, was give
Spencer
Thanks. Yes, I asked for Budesonide, but my local vet has never used it and
will not give it to me. If I have to take her to the specialist that is on
my list of things to ask for, but she is so god-awful in the car and gets so
stressed out by it that I do not want to do the long car trip
When they do leukeran, it is usually combined with pred. I don't
think my local vet will ever prescribe leukeran for her. If it gets to that
point, we will probably need to go to the specialist.
Thanks,
Michelle
In a message dated 9/5/2006 12:35:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL
If you want to try to convince her on the Elspar, you shouldpoint
outthat it works only on lymphoma and does not have other side effects, so
should not hurt him if he does not have lymphoma (which is unlikely) and if it
does help it will be a clear indication that he does indeed have
praying for you and your baby.
Michelle
Thanks. The vet said he will refill for me at least one more time but to
try to reduce it as fast as I can without it bothering her. I had put her
on 11.25 mg/day and went to 10 mg/day yesterday and today she has blood on her
stool and is eating a little less again. But solid stools and
Nina, so glad he is feeling better! As to the question about giving dex
indefinitely, I guess the answer is "it depends how long indefinitely is." He
should not have any short-term side effects from it. If he is on it for months
getting them every day, he can get steroid side effects--
Kelly, please have someone contact the police. Under the law
(unfortunately) animals are property, and she is stealing and destroying
people's property and police should know about it. Technically I guess the
animals are trespassing on her property, and I really don't know how that
balances
I'm in NJ. Where are you?
Michelle
In a message dated 9/9/2006 5:57:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At 02:47
PM 9/9/2006, you wrote:I also have an IBD cat,,,The budesonide was
great,,,If your vet is unfamiliar with it have him familiarize himself, he can
be
I was on that group for a while, but the moderator was very mean and kept
refusing to post my messages because she said I either included too much of the
previous post or not enough, and when I said something about not having this
problem on other lists and really needing to just get some
There other one is still going, actually. I tried it after leaving the
first one. The moderator was better, but some of the members are really mean and
I ended up leaving because they kept saying nasty things in response to
suggestions I made.
Michelle
In a message dated 9/9/2006 10:53:31
I'm in NJ. This is already the second vet in the area that I am trying. I
just made an appointment with a really good veterinary referral center for next
Friday, with an internist. Unfortunately it is over 1.5 hours away, and Lucy
hates hates hates the car, so I am stressed about it.
When I have upped her pred it was because she had bad diarrhea, but 10
mg/day of pred makes her bowels solid within a day or two. She only vomits
when relapsing, and only after eating grass. The pred stops it immediately. She
lost weight when she relapsed 2 months ago, about a pound, and
I would like to switch Lucy from prednisone to prednisolone, since I have
read that the latter is better for IBD and is also more easily used by the body
and so less harsh on the liver etc. Someone is willing to give me some
prednisolone (my vet does not use it for some reason). Does anyone
Thanks. I am getting the prednisolone in pill form, but wanted to know if
the dosing is the same.. Do you know?
Michelle
In a message dated 9/10/2006 1:36:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I used both for Naomi
–my vet told me that you could switch right away with
I think I remember reading that you put the cat in a carrier and cover the
carrier with the oxygen inside. I am not sure if it needs to be covered in a
particular way, though.
Michelle
In a message dated 9/10/2006 1:40:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Does anyone
I am an attorney and have studied a lot of animal law, and I really think
that is not true about cats not being personal property. I believe that feral
and stray cats are not considered anyone's personal property, but "owned" cats
(I hate that term) are definitely considered personal
Prednisone dosages vary, but should not exceed 2 mg/lb/day, and that only
for severe conditions. Lucy is right now on 12.5 mg/day. She weighs
8 pounds. For severe IBD, recommended starting dosage is 1-2 mg/lb/day, so
Lucy right now is right in the middle of that dosage (1.5 mg/lb/day). She
I think the level of oxygen would just be whatever level is prescribed for
the individual cat. When my dog Fern was on oxygen during her last days,
the vet told us where to put the dial on the tank that we rented.
Michelle
In a message dated 9/10/2006 2:31:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
anemia can cause open-mouth breathing if they are very very anemic, because
it means they are not getting enough oxygen (oxygen is supplied in the
blood)
\Michelle
Thanks, Nina. I can't believe you are responding at all, to be honest, with all you are going through.
Lucy's bowels are firm and she just started having a normal-ish appetite again, but only after I put her up to 12.5 mg/day of pred. I think I really need to try to leave her on this for at
I do notthink it is a good idea to stop the dex if it is making him feel better.If there is a mass, what else does she think it could be?Felv+ cats get lymphoma so much, I would think that if there is obviously cancer it should be fine to assume it is lymphoma.It does not seem, to me, that she
No, I still have not taken her there. I keep canceling (wonder how many times they'll let me do that). It's over 1.5 hours away, so probably an all day event, and she just hates the car so much. If it were Patches, who does not mind the car, I probably would have gone already. When i had to
Yes, it's definitely chemo, though it affects only lymphoma cells so is not harsh at all. And in chemo protocols the next drug is not given until a week after the Elspar, so the effects must be expected to last at least a week at a time.
Plus, I would assume that, if the Elspar could shrink
If there is an oncologist within your reach, I think I would try to see him or her.
Michelle
In a message dated 9/11/2006 7:07:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't know what else she thinks it could be. No one has said that there is "definitely a mass". They keep
I don't think interferon, or any other immune support drug, would aid the growth of lymphoma.
If you think he has a bad URI, I would try Immuno-Regulin, which really helps a lot with that.
While they are at major risk of lymphoma, and I have lost 4 to lymphoma at differing ages, I have also
Wow, that is a really low dose of dex. When I have given dex shots, I have given 1 whole cc at a time, or 1/2 cc mixed with 1/2 cc depomedrol. And none of my cats weighed more than 9 or 10 pounds at the time, some as little as 6. But I was not giving it every day long-term, either, just for one
No, I am not a member anymore and doubt I would be approved as a member at this point after my run-in with the nasty moderator.Maybe I will try to get back on...
Michelle
In a message dated 9/11/2006 10:33:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Did you check the archives on the
Nina, I woke up this morning thinking how ironic it is that the internist does not want to try chemo without a definitive diagnosis but wanted to pts without one. If it is cancer it is lymphoma, given where it is and how it responds to steroids. If she thinks it could be something other than
Please, please try Acemannan or Immuno-Regulin shots. If it is not cancer and is immune-mediated, these both seem to help with felv-caused anemia. I would try acemannan first, because two people on this list personally had it save their cats from anemia. Immuno-regulin is supposed to help with
Do you have him on Lysine? If not, you should start giving him 500 mg/day crushed and mixed in his food (or in baby food if he won't eat it in his food, or you can pill him with it but it is a big pill).
Michelle
tad, I am so sorry about Leo. Orange cats seem to usually be amazing. My Simon surely was. And he did not mind going to the vet for treatments either, and in fact did not mind being in the hospital that much. He only started to mind when some idiot couldn't get a catheter in and stuck him
The best sitter I ever found I got from my vet-- she was the person who
cared for the vet's animals when he traveled. Ask your vet who he or she uses.
Usually a good sign of competence.
Michelle
I'm so sorry.
Michelle
Nina, I know you like this vet, but that really is awful and I think you
should find someone else to bring Spencer to. Can you find an oncologist?
They are going to be smarter about chemo options and diagnostics anyway.
Michelle
In a message dated 9/13/2006 10:05:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight
Dee,
can you take Smokey to an internist, at a bigger clinic or
hospital or referral center? They are usually better at diagnosis that local
general practitioner vets. Cloudiness can mean asthma, I think. I am
not sure if it can be an indication of lymphoma or not, though I would not think
Nina,
Leukemia the cancer would not interfere with lung
function. If the issue was in the bone marrow or implicated the blood
somehow, I would agree (Simon had a bone marrow biopsy). If it's not, I
don't.
Lucy got an ultrasound from a local vet without shaving, but I
have been told the
and me-
michelle
In a message dated 9/14/2006 1:19:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Prayers
from me too
Someone from the shelter I used to work with asked me to help her find a
place that can do a toxicity study on a deceased cat, which they have
frozen. They think there was veterinary malpractice (the cat died in
surgery, after several others did as well with the same new vet) and do not know
Nina, I would almost bet my life that it is lymphoma, not leukemia. It is
so much more common, and so much more likely to be in multiple places like
that. chemo is not very successful with leukemia, while it is with
lymphoma. If you had someone to work with you, I would push for trying some
That is exactly who they tried (Tufts). They did a necropsy butfailed
to do the tox analysis and I guess won't do it.
Michelle
In a message dated 9/14/2006 1:56:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Try your
local Veternary college. Often they will do that sort of
well, I certainly understand your decision. Oncologists are usually
pretty optimistic, at least in terms of months, with treating lymphoma with
chemo, unless there is something particular about the case and how advanced it
is. Are they pessimistic because he is positive, or because they
I think that hugginghim is probably the best thing, all around. It is
pretty much the only thing that has ever made me feel better, when
goingthrough this.
lots of love,
michelle
In a message dated 9/14/2006 3:48:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I know
for a
booster
steroids and chemo drugs are the only immune suppressants I know of (that
we purposefully administer, anyway)
Michelle
In a message dated 9/14/2006 7:38:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I hear and read both ways --
which one is it?
There are two kinds of immune cells, B cells and T cells. B cells are the
killer cells which kill foreign invading bodies like viruses and bacteria, and
which sometimes go wild and attack the body itself, which is called an
auto-immune reaction. T cells control the B cells, causing them to
I don't know. They certainly check T cell counts on human AIDS patients.
They define the difference between being HIV+ and having full-blown AIDS by the
number of T cells you have left, I think. I never heard of a cat getting a
T cell count, but maybe they can. Never heard of a B cell count
Prayers. Hope she is ok.
Michelle
oh my god, she is SO cute! Congrats-- to you, and especially to her!
Michelle
I would think the biggest risk is stress, but if you know Crackers likes
meeting new cats, then I say go for it. They may bring URI's in from the shelter
when they first get there, but once you get that under control, if they are not
seeing other cats, i don't think the risk of infections
That's a good point, actually.
Michelle
In a message dated 9/16/2006 12:34:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There is
still the possibility Crackers may clear the virus,,,and bringing in another
FELV cat could insure he doesn't I considered that myself..if
Nina, so glad he is feeling better. Strong steroids are sort of like
a miracle, aren't they? I do not understand why vets do not regularly use them
when cats are terminal, instead of just saying to pts. if they are worried about
long-term effects, surely it is still better to give good
No, I didn't know they do phone consultations. That's a good idea.
.Thanks.
Michelle
In a message dated 9/16/2006 4:57:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle,Have you considered talking to the feline health clinic at
Cornell? I know their website is a little
I had heard this also and bought it at one time but don't think I ever
started them on it.
Michelle
In a message dated 9/16/2006 7:21:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I was recommended to use moducare
– immune balancer by someone for Dharma who may have FIP – I
Lucy is still acting very perky and normal, but now has soft stool even on
12.5 mg/day of pred and is not eating normally again, though with encouragement
will eat an almost normal amount (a whole jar of baby food once a day plus some
turkey mush and sometimes a few bites of raw food). I
when she eats her raw food, the feline futures mixture that gets added has
psyllium. I also add that to the baby food when she eats it. When she eats
the turkey mush, that has rice bran added for fiber, as well as
probiotics.
All of this used to help, everything just seems to help less and
Lucy just had totally liquid stool with a clump of grass in it. When her
IBD (hopefully that is all it is and not lymphoma) gets worse, she wants to eat
grass, I assume because it makes her feel nauseous. She then gets liquid
diarrhea with grass in it. I don't know if the liquid diarrhea
another question-- I was doing some more research on IBD (basically
re-reading, since I think I have researched it so much I have found everything
out there) and was reminded that metronidazole (flagyl) can be helpful with
large intestine IBD and colitis. I originally had not thought it
I have tried adding more fiber in the past and it seemed to make it worse.
I think it you overdo fiber it actually makes stool looser.
Michelle
In a message dated 9/17/2006 7:14:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It did
with Mai Mai for a while. The increased fiber
oy vey, diagnosis is invasive, generally, and thus Lucy never has had a
proper one. To actually diagnose, they need to do an endoscapy, and sometimes
they can not definitively diagnose that way either and so need to biopsy a full
section of the intestine, which means surgery. What I did
Have not heard of the first claim, but that doesn't mean it's not true. How
recent is the research, and can you get a citation from the person who called? I
think we all should probably look at the research and see what it says, as many
of us use interferon or think about using it. When I
It really does sound stress-related, which would be IBS, probably. I have
never researched IBS because it's not what Lucy has. Maybe you should do an
internet search on feline IBS and see what you come up with, both for diagnosis
purposes and to see if they suggest anything helpful. Perhaps
I am so sorry, Sherry. I don't know how you handle it all.
Michelle
Thanks, Kerry. Lucy is in fact feeling a lot better today, acting feisty,
eating a lot, weighing more, and solid stools, knock on wood! She is on 15
mg/day of pred at this point, though, which is pushing the outer limits, and
also on metronidazole. I do not want to jinx her so am just glad
I would be tempted to pick the English option. But then again, $100 k
could save a whole lot of cats, and what's so great about English anyway? I
think in some ways nonverbal communication is much more intense and
personal.
Michelle
In a message dated 9/18/2006 9:06:45 P.M. Eastern
There are medical appetite stimulants you can try if you really need to.
The most common one is periactin, generic name cyproheptadine. It can make them
really hungry, but with some cats it also makes them incredibly drowsy and out
of it. B12 injections often stimulate appetite and do not
I-R, in my experience, is way way way more effective than Interferon in
getting rid of colds. If that is what Satch has, and he just can't kick
it, I would very much recommend I-R over Interferon. I have tried both multiple
times.
One of my cats, Ginger, did get temporary side effects from
I got an emergency vet to give it to Ginger without any argument, but I
brought a vial of it with me. My sense is that it really works well for
URI's, but may not help as much with anemia as the anecdotal evidence in the
article on our web page suggests. Personally for non-lymphoma anemia,
I am so sorry. As someone who has watched 4 positive cats die, I
think that adopting multiple positives is a really hard thing to do. My
partner has made me promise I will not do it anymore. So I understand your
decision regarding your son.
Michelle
Never heard of I-R being used on negatives, but I'm sure it can be.
It is used with horses, and not based on suppressed immune system with
them. But if he is negative he might not need it-- might be able to kick
this without it.
Michelle
In a message dated 9/22/2006 2:49:05 P.M. Eastern
I am so sorry.
Michelle
Sorry, you had said negative, I guess by accident.
If the lymph nodes swelling are from infection of some kind or a virus, yes
I would start I-R.
Michelle
In a message dated 9/22/2006 10:49:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At 07:47
PM 9/22/2006, you wrote:Max
so sorry. praying for dante.
michelle
---BeginMessage---
please forward this to any animal groups or animal
people you think might be able to help.
Even if its to take one kitty for a week or
so.
- Original Message -
From: Kathleen
To: 'Kersten Larson' ; 'Maria
C' ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 'Karyn Sochacki'
; 'Karen
It's not characteristic FeLV, just characteristic of intestinal problems
like IBD and intestinal lymphoma (though lymphoma affects positives much more
than negativces). My cat Lucy has IBD (inflammatory bowel disease) and
when she gets diarrhea I can smell it from across the house. You
Lysine usually gets rid of runny eyes within a day or two with my cats. I
think it is from a URI, or maybe feline herpes, both of which are helped by
Lysine.
Michelle
In a message dated 9/25/2006 12:12:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi guys hope all abbaies
I have often had two vets, one close by for routine things and one farther
away that I like better for more serious things.
Michelle
In a message dated 9/25/2006 12:17:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi guys and babes! I was wondering if it is okay to have2
EVO and raw food both seem to do very well for cats prone to crystals. Not
sure how they are for CRF kitties, though, as they are both high protein. I know
there is controversy over whether or not CRF kitties actually need low protein
or not, but I do not know more than that.
Michelle
In
Cats with FeLV are more vulnerable to upper respiratory infections (URI's)
and to feline herpes virus, both of which can make the eyes run. Lysine is
an amino acid that is anti-viral and helps cats fight off both. It seems
to work especially well when the problem is in the eyes. You can get
Statistics show that positives are 600 times more likely to get lymphoma
than negatives. I have lost 3 and possibly 4 positives to it; to my knowledge I
have not lost a positive to anything else, though Buddy was never definitively
diagnosed (but the other 3 were). I think that most people
Yes, that's right.
In a message dated 9/26/2006 1:07:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dunellen, NJ I believe?
I stopped using it because I could not see any positive effects it was
having (which is not to say there weren't any) and I thought it might be
bothering Lucy's IBD.
Michelle
In a message dated 9/26/2006 11:51:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hello,
So I've
Ask thevet for Denosyl, or look up the amount of SAMe in the Denosyl pills and get it from the health food store (it's the same thing, Denosyl is just how it is marketed through veterinarians). It helps with liver failure. Unless the liver failure is caused by cancer, the Denosyl should help. She
Just a note I thought I should share with the group-- beware ofanyone not normally on this list who offers to send you meds. Someone who had not posted for very long offered to send me pred. I sent her a check for $20 over 2 weeks ago. At first she kept saying she was lookingfor a box, then
I am so very sorry. WasPete FeLV+ his whole life? If so, that he lived to 15 is astounding and inspiring.
Michelle
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:57 AM
Subject: Pete To Bridge
Please add my sweetboy Pete to
As Murphy's law would have it, right after I sent that post about not
trusting people who say they will send meds, the meds arrived!
Michelle
Thanks, Hideyo. I may take you up on it at some point. I really do not mind
paying. It was not receiving it that worried me.
Michelle
In a message dated 9/27/2006 12:48:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sorry that happened
to you, Michelle.. just let me know if
I am ok for now, but thanks. I may at some point in the future.
Michelle
In a message dated 9/27/2006 12:43:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle
I have a few prednisolone left over from Maizees,they are 5mg.Let me
know if you can use them and you can have
I will. Thanks so much!
Michelle
In a message dated 9/27/2006 1:33:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But look
at all the offers you got from other people! Just let any of us know if
you need more.
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