Re: [Felvtalk] ALL KITTENS NEGATIVE !!!! YIPPE !!!!!!!!!

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Yes,   they get some *particles or something from nursing the Mom, but if
they have a strong immune system, they can *throw it off in time* .  That is
why I waited so long to get them tested.to give the immune system time to do
that.  They say it is transferred in the Mom's milk!

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On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Great news!
> Wonder if the babies are at risk if nursing? Did vet say anything about
> that?
> Just curious.
> Keep sharing your message of hope!!
> Laurie
>
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rosenfeldt,
> Diane
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:44 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ALL KITTENS NEGATIVE  YIPPE !
>
> I'm so happy for your good news!!  The kittens are precious (as all
> kittens are) and the pic of "THE PILE" makes me want to join them in the
> cage.  Here are vibes that they all find just the right homes!
>
> Diane R.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:49 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] ALL KITTENS NEGATIVE  YIPPE !
>
> This is a story that I am hoping will give those of you who have a
> positive
> Mom, with a litter of kittens, some hope!
>
> I was told by so many rescues and cat related people and vets etc that
> because Mom tested positive, the kitten would no doubt be also.
>
> I was also told by the rescue I am working with, that the loner I could
> wait
> to test them, the better chance they have of *throwing it off* and they
> get
> it in their system from the mom's milk.
>
> Well, on October 13th, they *ALL* tested negative !~
> So..there is hope for kittens of positive Mom's !
> They were born between June 20th and June 27th, so waiting until October
> gave them lots of time... and it worked!  Thank goodness.
>
> You can see lots of photos of them and read the story here on my forum.
> I
> have the most gorgeous photos of each one by themselves in the bottom
> post  The first post has the story about them and videos of
> them.
>
> Enjoy .it is a wonderful outcome and I hope it
> encourages
> anyone who needs it :)  :)
>
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[Felvtalk] ALL KITTENS NEGATIVE !!!! YIPPE !!!!!!!!!

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This is a story that I am hoping will give those of you who have a positive
Mom, with a litter of kittens, some hope!

I was told by so many rescues and cat related people and vets etc that
because Mom tested positive, the kitten would no doubt be also.

I was also told by the rescue I am working with, that the loner I could wait
to test them, the better chance they have of *throwing it off* and they get
it in their system from the mom's milk.

Well, on October 13th, they *ALL* tested negative !~
So..there is hope for kittens of positive Mom's !
They were born between June 20th and June 27th, so waiting until October
gave them lots of time... and it worked!  Thank goodness.

You can see lots of photos of them and read the story here on my forum.   I
have the most gorgeous photos of each one by themselves in the bottom
post  The first post has the story about them and videos of them.

Enjoy .it is a wonderful outcome and I hope it encourages
anyone who needs it :)  :)

http://www.animalsspeak.org/2008-09-00-a-rescue-story-successful-not-successful-sigh-t1238.html#p2015


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[Felvtalk] please post this to the mailing list

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Hi, I am no longer a member here because I have no cats- I amnot allowed to 
keep any currently.  I rescued a sweet, loving, playful orange tabby kitten.  
He followed me 2 blocks from a dumpster where his feral family was living.  I 
need to find a home for him ASAP!. He has not been tested yet, but I feel he is 
most likely FHIV and F leukemia negative.  To my understanding, as long as he 
gets his vaccines he can not contract leukemia. I live in the piedmont triad 
area of NC.
Hi, I have a sweet, very loving and playful orange tabby kitten (male).  He 
loves attention and all animals (minus pocket pets and birds).  I found him at 
a dumpster, he followed me 2 blocks. I couldnt leave him because he runs 
towards all cats/dogs/other critters and cars.  I ask an adoption fee of $55 
which will cover his neutering, all shots,deworming, and a flea bath. Litter 
free with adoption. He is litter trained.  Declawing I find very unneccesscary, 
this one does not claw furniture and as long a scratch post is provided it 
should bot become a problem. If you really want to meet him, and decide you 
want him, I would be happy to do a price check of local vets/clinics for the 
cheapest declawing service and pass that info on to you. Please give a call 
ASAP if interested as I can not keep him.  336-317-6233

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[Felvtalk] Grumpy Gus is gone

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The abandoned Former Grey Tom Cat that I took in and called "Grumpy Gus" 
or "Gus" for short, has passed on, this disease is horrible, the list of 
issues he had are long. He sounded like two cats fighting when he meows. 
He was loved, inside, well fed and had Vet care, unlike so many that do 
not in the care of Companions.

Please add him to Mondays list please.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Updates and Latest videos and info on kittens

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Thanks,

We can only hope.

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On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Pamela
>
> I pray for a neg test. I am in VA and with 10 cats. I cannot take on more.
> They look great and even though yhey are young it is still possible they
> have natural immunity. My Daisy did. She was probably a couple months old
> when we got her. We did not know another cat we adopted from the same
> shelter was FIV and FELV positive. They were constant companions. They are
> togther and and grromed each other. She never got sick. I had three other
> cats that did get sick and tested positive.
>
> Best of Luck,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Updates and Latest videos and info on kittens

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Hi,

Yes, a typoI had sent that originally to the rescue with births based
on their estimates of weight and forgot to take out the *your* part when I
copied and pasted the sentence!  Sorry !


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> I understand - think you may have a typo, I didn't give you any
> estimates, so don't understand that - but best of luck to you and to
> them.
>
> Gloria
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2008, at 8:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately, I can not keep them if they test positive. Based on
> > your
> > estimates, when we saw her skinny, when she brought them to us,
> > their weight
> > when we first weighed them etc, put the birth of the kittens around
> > June
> > 20th -June 27th.   So,  they are around 3 months old now.
> >
> > They go for their spaying and FL tests on Monday and if they are
> > positive,
> > there is no where for them to go and they will have to be put down.
> >
> > If they test negative, they will go to Pet Smart or the rescue can
> > take
> > them.
> >
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> > Quote from various consumers! 
> > "I called the Pet Food Company and they said their foods are 100%
> > safe"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Pamela,
> >>
> >> I don't know how old your kittens are, but please remember that if
> >> they test positive, they can go negative, so you have to test again
> >> in
> >> several weeks. You may have already done this, so forgive me not
> >> reviewing former emails first.  And if they test positive, you may be
> >> able to find a loving home or rescue that you can pass them on to -
> >> it
> >> can be difficult but if you keep looking something may turn up in
> >> your
> >> Virginia area.
> >>
> >> Best of luck - thanks for caring,
> >>
> >> Gloria
> >>
> >>
> >> On Oct 10, 2008, at 2:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am posting this to both places I have talking about Feline
> >>> Leukemia.
> >>>
> >>> I am now having nightmares, literally, worrying about Monday and if
> >>> these
> >>> babies will be positive. !  Please, if anyone knows of some place
> >>> that will
> >>> take Feline Positive kittens, let me know and I will put them in
> >>> touch with
> >>> the rescue who is handling them.
> >>>
> >>> I am just dying inside for fear they will not be coming back here
> >>> for
> >>> adoption.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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Unfortunately, I can not keep them if they test positive. Based on your
estimates, when we saw her skinny, when she brought them to us, their weight
when we first weighed them etc, put the birth of the kittens around June
20th -June 27th.   So,  they are around 3 months old now.

They go for their spaying and FL tests on Monday and if they are positive,
there is no where for them to go and they will have to be put down.

If they test negative, they will go to Pet Smart or the rescue can take
them.

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On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Pamela,
>
> I don't know how old your kittens are, but please remember that if
> they test positive, they can go negative, so you have to test again in
> several weeks. You may have already done this, so forgive me not
> reviewing former emails first.  And if they test positive, you may be
> able to find a loving home or rescue that you can pass them on to - it
> can be difficult but if you keep looking something may turn up in your
> Virginia area.
>
> Best of luck - thanks for caring,
>
> Gloria
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2008, at 2:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > I am posting this to both places I have talking about Feline Leukemia.
> >
> > I am now having nightmares, literally, worrying about Monday and if
> > these
> > babies will be positive. !  Please, if anyone knows of some place
> > that will
> > take Feline Positive kittens, let me know and I will put them in
> > touch with
> > the rescue who is handling them.
> >
> > I am just dying inside for fear they will not be coming back here for
> > adoption.
> >
> >
> http://www.animalsspeak.org/2008-09-00-a-rescue-story-successful-not-successful-sigh-t1238.html
> >
> > Pamela Myers
> > www.AnimalsSpeak.org
> > Register: http://tinyurl.com/58txeu
> > http://letstalkpetfoods.wordpress.com/
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I am posting this to both places I have talking about Feline Leukemia.

I am now having nightmares, literally, worrying about Monday and if these
babies will be positive. !  Please, if anyone knows of some place that will
take Feline Positive kittens, let me know and I will put them in touch with
the rescue who is handling them.

I am just dying inside for fear they will not be coming back here for
adoption.

http://www.animalsspeak.org/2008-09-00-a-rescue-story-successful-not-successful-sigh-t1238.html

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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

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When Gus my SNAP tested once positive male, was not eating, just lying 
around, but no major signs of illness. I feed him Gerber meat baby food 
with KMR and lysine powder mixed in. He wolfed it down and got over what 
appears to have been a viral URI of a mild nature. He is now back to his 
old self, tearing up the newspaper lining his cage, vocalizing all the 
time. I think it was a combination of a mild viral URI and his being 
depressed about being in a cage for half a day. So when I was hand 
feeding him the baby food, he got the attention he was seeking, so I am 
still feeding him baby food with lysine mixed in.

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[Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens

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Could someone remind me of the age when testing kittens for Felv is. I 
have some 8 week old kittens, Miss'Tache, Gilbert, Perry, and Eeyore, 
born to a feral queen, queen is untested. My rescue group wants to test 
them real soon.

I also have former tom cat who has tested positive for Felv via a snap 
test, he is in a different room from the kittens and from my cats. As of 
right now he is not showing any symptoms. He is a sweetheart, I think he 
is a dumped cat left to fend for himself.

Thanks

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Greetings Again

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Greetings Again,

I have not been very active here since the passing of my LeLV cat Elric 
Whiteybone. Since then I have been active in cat rescue.

Recently I have lost another cat to this disease, he came to our back 
porch, and rubbed between my wifes legs. He was more than friendly, but 
he had a full mucus mustache on his face.

He tested positive for LeLV but not FIV, the respiratory infection which 
was giving him his mucus mustache did not respond to any of the 5+ 
antibiotics we used on him. We named him Gio short for Giovanni.

With in two weeks the disease did it work on his body along with the 
respiratory infection. On a Saturday we took him to our Rescue Groups 
Veterinarian.

We got there way early and were able to spend over an hour with him there.

When the Veterinarian got there, she asked if this was our kitty or a 
rescue kitty. We responded he was a rescue kitty and that we were 
staying with him while his time came.

So while the Veterinarian gave him the meds to ease his passing, my wife 
and I were holding and touching him. We both felt him relax then go 
totally limp. After a bit the Vet listened for his heart, and said he 
was gone.

We spent another 15 minutes with him. Later the Vet came in and asked 
what we wanted to do with Gio's body. We replied that we already had 
place dug for him in our back yard by our porch and the catnip bush that 
grew nearby. She seemed taken a back that we were doing this for a 
rescue kitty. I believe she got her eyes opened about those that rescue 
cats/kitties.

We took him home and placed him in the spot we prepared for him.

We have been putting food out of the strays in our neighborhood, getting 
them snipped and returned.

We recently heard a sound while we were eating breakfast coming from our 
back patio. It sounded like two male cats squaring off to fight. When we 
looked it was a single domestic short haired Gray male cat.

We named him Gus as in Grumpy Gus. He was at first a bit shy, but later 
became much easier to handle. We spoke to our rescue group about him, 
offered to foster him, they said they would pay for his testing and 
snipping if we fostered him.

Well the news from the testing was not good, it was the SNAP test and by 
that test he was positive for LeLV. We have him in a separate bedroom 
where he gets his love and food.

I am wondering if any here have any experience with the various immune 
system enhancing drugs/compounds.

I want to boost his immune system so he has a chance to throw off the 
infection prior to his next series of tests. As of right now he has no 
symptoms of any disease.

Sam

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Re: Is Cheesecake On The Horizan?!

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http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/reprint/54/3/873.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2820273&dopt=Abstract
 


http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=551090

http://iai.asm.org/cgi/reprint/29/1/165.pdf

Sam

Re: Junior

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Sally Davis wrote:

Hi Lance and all you great parents,
 
Junior took his last breath at the vet's today with assistance. I 
would like to say it went well, but his body was shutting down. The 
sedative did not calm him. I called the vet back into the room to go 
ahead and stop his misery. His veins were not cooperating. She had to 
stick him 4 times that last time she got a smaller needle.(Not her 
fault, it was the end).
 
Junior had a heart murmur and that is what was going on. I was not 
going to prolong his misery by heroics. Heroics kept him alive for two 
years, and that is my greatest gift.
 
Please light a candle for my precious baby. My heart is breaking.  
Send Junior to the CLS list with his brother Tiny who left me 
Christmas day a year ago.
 
I will share what I can about this horrible disease.
 
Love
 
Sally


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Sally,

Junior will be in my prayers. I'm really sorry to hear he isn't doing
well.

Lance

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:12:42 -0400, "Sally Davis"
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said:
> Junior is having much difficulty breathing. I am taking him into his
> original vet meaning more money, but they are the only hospital
available
> now. I gave him a prenisone. His lungs sound horrible. I feel I
ma saying
> goodbye. Please pray for him.
>
> Sally
>


My sympathies to you and your loss.

He is with my FELV cat Elric Whiteybone, the end can come so quickly, 
and so unexpected.


Sam

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juvenile hand-fed cockatiel 80.00
baby marine freshwater snails ask (not feeders!_
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Re: Question about URI contagion

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in persians, who are predisposed to uri symptoms at any time, especially 
in shelter or new situations (stress, no noses to speak of anyway), 
zithromax has become the drug of choice: we don't even bother with the 
others for cats we pull from shelters, we just go for the zithro.


the other thing is that there's many causes for runny noses and goopy 
eyes, and unless you actually culture out the emissions, you can't be 
sure what you're dealing with--might just be that kitty's reaction to 
stress, might be allergies , might be a virus or bacteria. so once 
they're responding and feeling better and want to play with the others, 
i figure that's the best medicine as long as they aren't sneezing 
constantly!


MC


Gloria Lane wrote:
If he were at my house, I'd probably go ahead and mix him with the 
others.  They've probably already been exposed anyhow.  Sounds like 
he's responded well to your loving care.  FYI - I also had good luck 
with a dose or two of Zithromax for kittens with URI.


Gloria



On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:

Does anyone know how long a URI is contagious?  I picked up a B/W 
approx. 6 mth old kitten from the adoption location last Sat. b/c 
he'd been suffering from a URI- mostly affecting the eyes (no 
sneezing) for 2-3 weeks and it just wasn't getting better.  Poor 
thing had started to rub off the fur around his one eye from rubbing 
at it so much.  I had this same kitten back at labor day for about 3 
weeks when I took in 4 kittens who all had URIs in various degrees of 
severity.  He was the oldest and he got well the fastest after 
treatment with Amoxy and Terramycin.  Well, when he was added to the 
"condo" at the store to be "on display" for adoption, I guess the 
stress of that shortly thereafter brought the eye problems back and 
he's been suffering off and on since then.  I tried to stop by as 
much as possible to clean and treat his eyes, but it's hard b/c the 
store closes at 6:00.  He is also one of those cats "prone" to tear 
stains regardless of a URI and with the white fur on his face, he 
looks really bad being on display with tear stains and eye funk (he 
looked sick- which looks bad for our no-kill agency), so I decided to 
take him home and put in him the downstairs room and just not mix him 
at all with my other two fosters Yoda and LeeRoy.  Well, I've had him 
since last Sat. and this time, he's on Clavamox (and Terramycin in 
the eyes) and I'm feeding him tons of wet food (Wellness kitten)- 
they only get dry at the store- and pumping him full of supplements.  
He gets to run around the house when I am home b/c the other foster 
kittens have a big room to romp, so they stay closed in there and 
away from him  But, I know he's lonely and needs some 
kitty-socialization and he and Yoda may remember each other!  He's 
doing SO MUCH better- it's unreal.  I know it's probably mostly 
because he is having fun, not stressed, eating like a piggy and 
getting love (that probably helps more than the meds...sigh).  *So, 
if he is no longer having inflamed red eye tissue and green 
discharge, is he okay to mingle now?  He's not sneezing and he 
doesn't really have any eye discharge at all*, besides his regular 
eye boogers that he is prone to getting.  He does not act like a sick 
cat (runs around like a maniac).  I haven't seen green eye funk since 
the day after I brought him home (Sunday) b/c he improved almost 
instantly.  I just wanted to know if anyone knows if he's been on the 
antibiotic almost a week now, & showing no signs of infection, can he 
be mingled with the other two kittens for play-time, or should I wait 
longer?

Thanks,
Caroline 



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Well, Tigger is doing better. He is not vomitting anymore and he has been 
eating good... but all he wants to eat is fancy feast wet cat food medleys.  I 
have been putting it on top of the dry innova cat food so that way he does eat 
some of the good food.  Need ideas on good cat wet food for Tigger.  He does 
not have feline leukemia but is old, has digestive problems, and recently had a 
low appetite.
Another thing I would like advice on is for a friend's cat.  She has very dry, 
flaky skin but her black fur is also oily and sheds a lot.  I suggested fish 
oil for the shedding but does anyone know what to do about the dander??  Would 
Nizoral AD human anti-dandruff shampoo be safe ( if well rinsed)??  She looks 
like she has snow on her for the dry skin.
thanks
Chelsea

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Yes everyone I am going to be cjecking others vets in the area.  
The local clinic isnt a vet they just do a testing/vaccinating/fixing all in 
one.  Its 75.00 with spay or neuter so I am hoping that it is cheaper because 
Tigger has been vaccinated.  As soon as I get the money I will take him.
 
Does anyone know of an appetite stimnulant I can get in the meantime without a 
vet visit???
thanks
Chelsea
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Any idea what and where I csn buy an appetite stimulant?  here is the vet visit 
broken down.
it costs $75 for the local clinic to test for feline leukemia, rabies, and 
distemper booster, and leukemia vacine
$65 for my vet to have a 1st checkup
$100 for blood work 
the cat has been exposed to some questionable cats so thats why he needs tyo be 
checked to make sure he has not gotten leukemia 
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Yeah i know the cat is overdue for a vet visit.  But I am currently unemployed 
at the moment, I am young so I still live with my mother.  We are keeping the 
cat because my friend does not have a place to live, no job, and no money.  I 
am feeding the cat innova food.  The vet appointment will cost about 250 bucks, 
and they dont do payments or help for the poor.
The cat is otherwise healthy.  Any ideas on a good appetite stimulant and where 
I can get one?  I will try that drugstore link.
thanks
Chelsea

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hello all, I am now fostering an elderly cat for a friend.  the cat often 
throws up.  He is not leukemia positive, but my last kitty was.  She had some 
medicine that helped her with digestion and vomitting.  I used the last of it 
on Tigger (the foster) and it worksgreat.  But I need more and they dont have 
it on petmeds website.  The vet wont sell it to me without the cat going in 
which will cost $250.  I dont have the money for it and neither does the cats 
owner.  So does anyone know where I can buy liquid metoclopramide susp. ???
thanks
Chelsea

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Hello, I have not been able to keep up with this list much because things have 
been really chaotic in my life lately.  Unfortunately, my sweet kitty Tsunade 
got very sick about 7 weeks ago.  Several vet trips found that she had a huge 
amount of white bllood cells, so she was put on interfron and vitamins.  She 
had her ups and downs but finally wed June 16 I made the decision to have her 
put down.  She was howling (loud and painful) all night and she could not walk. 
 She could not even hold her head straight.  Tsunade was only about a year and 
a half old.  She was my only kitty. I dont know if I will be able to get a 
kitten later this summer, but if I did could I reuse the cat condo and 
scratching post Tsunade had?  Is there a good way to sterilize the leukemia 
germs or will I need to throw it away (already threw away water bowls and 
litter box)?
down in the dumps,
Chelsea 

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"And the thought that perhaps we need to ask the cats in question what they
would prefer when death is a serious option."

The idea that any of you actually BELIEVE that anyone can psychically
communicate with an animal is, to me, ABSURD. I think the "animal
communication" business is a FRAUD taking advantage of people and their love
of their pets (and often, their weakened mental status because of
desperation and stress). There may actually BE good people out there who
REALLY believe they communicate with animals... people who are not frauds,
people with good hearts, but out of touch with reality. I'm not saying ALL
AC's are just out to make a buck or gain fame, but really, you can't PROVE
this stuff exists, and it's proven fact that other humans WILL take
advantage when given a chance! Anyone remember snake oil? HELLO?!

You know what? This list has of recent had SO MANY emails about animal
communication, that it seems to be THE answer to EVERYTHING! I just can't
fathom the emotional susceptibility of a person to actually believe in
something so FAR OUT THERE and so obviously unable to be proven. And to put
an animals LIFE, or the question of PHYSICAL MUTILATION, on the line based
on what could just as well be as valid as flipping a coin, well, it's just
unfathomable, I just can't come up with any other word for it! It's like a
NEW RELIGION... You can't see, it, you can't prove it, you can't feel it,
you can't do anything to prove it exists, yet you just blindly throw your
faith into it, and put everything you own in your heart into this belief in
the unprovable!

I  JUST  DO  NOT  GET  IT !

In my opinion, all the talk of animal communication on this list has made
it's validity LAUGHABLE in the past year. This used to be a place where
people could come get answers based in REAL EXPERIENCE and scientific
studies, and it was a place to come to for education on the scientific facts
behind FELV (among other feline health topics) and answers to questions
about MEDICINE. This used to be a place where when a vet was not so helpful,
an owner could come here and ask questions and leave feeling like they got
solid, helpful, and scientific advice and treatment options. There has been
more talk of psychic communication, afterlife, prayer, and other crap (for
lack of a better word) here in the past year than there has been talk of the
actual REAL facts of FELV. I learned SO MUCH here in the past 6 years that I
made an entire WEBSITE out of that info. In the past year, I honestly think
I've learned maybe 2 or 3 things here, and the rest has just been loads of
fantastical blind FAITH in NOTHING!

I'm leaving.. again... I'll be back... later. I always come back,
eventually. I can only HOPE that while I am gone, people will get a GRIP on
reality, and pull their heads out of la-la land! If you want to change my
mind, if you think I am wrong, I openly invite anyone of you (or your pet
psychics) to send me a SIGN. I'll be sitting here waiting for the sounds of
heralding angels "Ahhh!" (cue the organ music) and beams of bright
light and spirits floating around in the room with me. I'll be awaiting
little kitties with wings taking flight by my head, lighting on my shoulder,
whispering "Meow do you believe in us?" in my ear, while it rains glittery
pixie dust in my room. Please send them my way. Maybe I can ask them, while
they are here, the meaning of life, why there is suffering in the world, and
when will we ever know world peace.

Someone please email Michelle, and let her know I am gone, and that it's
safe to come back now.


Phaewryn

Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.

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Beth, it's not my "never declaw ideal" that made me say that, it is my
genuine belief that declawing causes long term physical and psychological
suffering, and I do not think putting a suffering cat through more things to
make it suffer more is a correct course of action. Two wrongs don't make a
right. Declawing is 100% cruel and inhumane, and euthanasia is 100% humane
when done correctly. To me, there is no gray area there, it's black and
white. To eliminate suffering, yes, I will euthanise an animal. I do not
have those strong no-kill ideals others have these days. My son bites his
fingernails until they bleed sometimes... would I ever THINK to even
consider amputating his fingers to solve that problem? True, it WOULD
completely eliminate the problem, and his self-mutilation, but at what cost?
That's how I feel about it. That's just me, personally. I'd like to see a
$1000 fine and mandatory 90 days in jail for felony animal cruelty for
anyone that has a cat declawed - that and the revoking of veterinary
licenses for any vet that does the surgery. But I admit, I'm totally way on
one side of the fence on declawing - probably to the point of being
impractical and even a bit of a lunatic.

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I'm so very sorry for your loss. I've had a few of my ferals just disappear,
and I think I would rather KNOW what happened than wonder as I do. At least
she was with you, and know someone cared. Perhaps an icechest with some ice
in it would work until Monday? What a horrible thing to have to contemplate
so soon!

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Re: PLEASE Pray for my Charity....

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I'm so sorry to hear Charity isn't well. I hope she pulls through. Can you
call a taxi? I've resorted to it in the past when I was carless and had a
veterinary emergency.

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Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.

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I found some WONDERFUL upholstery cleaner stuff, in the CAR section, no
less! Gets stains out of anything I've tried so far, it's amazing stuff.
It's by TurtleWax, and it's a big red and yellow aerosol can with a bristle
plastic cap on it. It's called Power Out! Professional strength upholstery
cleaner (with odor eliminating Odor-X). You spray it on, and it's a thick
FOAM, let it sit for about a minute, then rub it in with a clean cloth.
Continue to spray a dab more and rub with a clean cloth (use clean areas of
the cloth, or a new one every few wipes), and it will erase the stain. The
only problem I've found is that the clean area is noticeable because it's SO
MUCH cleaner than the parts I didn't clean. This stuff made my 1994 model
car's upholstery look LIKE NEW (and it completely eliminated the spilt
sardine juice odor).

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Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.

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Personally, I will euthanise Mythic if I think he's suffering so much that I
am considering something as drastic as declawing. His allergies ARE
manageable with Dexamethisone injections though, so I do have something I
can resort to when it gets really bad. I would take him to a feline
dermatologist before I considered declawing or euthanasia. There are very
involved and specific allergy tests that can be done, and once they get
those results, they can begin allergy shots. I've gotten all the info in the
past, but it's so costly I keep putting it off. He's only like this a few
months max out of the year though... if it were a food allergy year-round, I
would probably invest that money into the specialist. There's a good
veterinary dermatologist specialist in New Hampshire. If you want to find
one in your area, there is a "find a veterinary dermatologist near you"
webpage from their association, I can find the link and post it if anyone is
interested.

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Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.

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I'm on a never-ending revolving medicated shampoo experiment, if I find one
that truly helps for more than a day or two, I will post it to the group.
The best results so far are with one called Epi-Soothe, by Virbac, he seems
MUCH better for about 2-3 days when I shampoo him with it (letting it sit on
his body for 3 minutes before rinsing). On a funny side note.. I use
leftovers (and things that were duds for Mythic's issues) on myself, and I
have found that one called Relief, by DVM made MY itchy scalp feel great,
and my hair looked great too, LOL. My head actually felt lighter after using
it, I have no idea why, but it's amazing. It's like my head could breathe,
and before all my hair or head oils, or something, were built up and
blocking the air flow. LOL, yeah, I'm totally nuts.

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Re: OT - my moral ideas behind claw trimming

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First off, I carbon copied this to the FELVOT list, so we can take this
discussion over there, please reply ON THAT GROUP, not on this list:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/felvot/

Well, for one, I have NEVER seen an ingrown claw on a cat. Given proper
scratching surfaces (natural wood, sisal rope, carpet - and sofas, LOL)
cats' claws naturally shed periodically. The older, outside sheath sloughs
off much like a snake sheds it's skin, leaving a sharper and shorter fresh
claw underneath it. It's been my experience that EVERY time I have ever seen
a cat get it's claws trimmed (like when I took one in to be spayed, or
neutered, or had dental work, etc), there is some amount of splintering of
the outside claw sheath, which causes premature sheath shedding. When the
claw splits and tries to fall off the cat before it is "ready", it can (and
in my experience, USUALLY, starts at the tip, and begins to loosen from the
tip up towards the cuticle. I've seen many times where the claw sheath was
hanging from JUST the cuticle, but wasn't ready to come off, snagging on
things, and actually causing my cat discomfort. Attempts to gently pull it
off resulted in YOWLS and jerking away, thus I came to the conclusion that
it is painful for the cat. I cannot see inducing ANY amount of unnecessary
pain on my cats, thus, I am morally opposed to claw trimming, based on my
past experiences. Yes, I have scars, yes, I have had cuts that bled for
hours and hours, and through several band-aids. My cats come first, though,
IMO. I do not believe there is any reason to trim cat claws, outside of
human vanity and convenience, but I am OPEN to the possibility that it may
be true that ingrown claws could exist - I have just never seen it myself,
and my opinions are based on what I can back up with personal experience and
personally proven fact (in other words, my opinions are based on what I have
seen with my own two eyes). Maybe your Persians, in addition to having
human-induced deformed faces, also have human-induced deformed feet, leading
to a higher ingrown claw factor (me thinks maybe human breeding programs are
at the root of most cat-evil in the world)???

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Re: Caroline still not eating or drinking

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But they could label it specifically for cats, add chicken flavor (or tuna,
or milk, etc), etc... it COULD be good money, if it was marketed.
Catty-o-lyte. Maybe Purr-a-lyte? I dunno, but it could be done. Easily.

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Re: Caroline still not eating or drinking

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Oh, and yes, any cat can have an electrolyte imbalance, but giving too many
fluids can cause it, definitely. The balance is very delicate. I never
really understood why cats and dogs don't get routine electrolyte
supplements like all other mammals do when ill or over-worked. Think
pedalyte for human babies - gatorade for human adults, they make similar
stuff for supplementing livestock (horses) and it's routine to give it after
any competition or in illnesses. But cats and dogs don't seem to get these
things. I don't understand why not. Maybe there is a reason I am unaware of.

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The best thing about the Forti Flora is that it's in premeasured packets, is
a powder and is easy to mix into wet food, and it's HIGHLY palatable - the
cats LOVE it. I'm not convinced that it's any different as far as active
ingredients goes from any other probiotic. It may be more effective beacuse
the cats actually EAT it, rather than spitting it out and gagging (my past
experience with probiotic pastes).

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Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.

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Your cats get STUCK to the carpet? Bizarre! I never trim claws here (I'm
morally opposed to the idea) unless there's a medical necessity, and I can
honestly say my cats have NEVER gotten stuck to the carpet. I have
occasionally seen one get stuck on the side of the sofa while scratching it,
but even that is rare.

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Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.

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That's a fairly typical antibiotic/steroid eye ointment. Sounds logical to
me. I have an itchy boy here too, he digs bleeding sores all over his body.
It's not bad yet this year, we are hoping it wont flare up as more plants
begin to bloom in summer. I'm considering soft paws for his back paws, so he
can't do so much self-damage this year if it does flare up. The problem is
that he is very independent, and I will probably have to take him to the vet
to get them "installed" as he's not the cat to try to mess with if it's not
his idea to be messed with (and I have the scars to prove it).

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Re: was - Update on Kisa, now liver shake ingredients

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Then WHY on earth does our liver shake call for TOMATO JUICE?!!?!?!

Phaewryn

   Think I would stick with the carrot juice or leave the veggies out all
together.  Just my opinion.

 Tomatoes can be toxic to cats:
  http://cats.about.com/cs/catfood/a/humanfood.htm

Tomatoes, Green (raw Potatoes)

These foods are members of the Solanaceae family of plants, which
includes the Deadly Nightshade, and contain a bitter, poisonous alkaloid
called Glycoalkaloid Solanine, which can cause violent lower
gastrointestinal symptoms. The Feline Future web site offers a rare
description of a cat which was close to death from ingesting just one cherry
tomato.
  http://site.pawshop.com/blog/archive/2006_08_20_archive.html


Tomatoes and tomato plants: Tomatoes of all kinds are toxic to cats, as
are parts of the tomato plant. Ingesting as little as a cherry tomato can
cause severe gastrointestinal upset.

  http://www.dietbites.com/Diet-123/dog-cat-foods-to-avoid.html


Tomatoes - May cause heart disturbances.


  http://www.petshealth.com/dr_library/cattox.html#t


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Re: Update on my rescued amish babies...

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Oh, yes, that is good, FIV is not as bad as FELV, and even cats with FIV are
getting easier to place due to good education efforts by the FIV community.

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Re: outdoor enclosures

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Yes, plastic of any kind totally cracks and falls apart in the winter here
too. I stand out for a peace vigil every Friday evening, and I had signs
made and had them in 3 ring binders, which I used as easels to display the
signs on the sidewalk, and I used them all last summer. As soon as it got
below 20 degrees, they instantly cracked and fell apart.

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That's really nice Kelly!

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Re: outdoor enclosures

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I have collected a collection of the best links I could find on my links
page below. You'll have to scroll down to the bottom of the page, as it's
the last section, I think.
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My favorite one (from examining their website - I do not own one), is:
http://www.thecatsden.net/enclosure.html

Re: depressing!!.

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It looks like a Savannah to me, personally.

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Re: Update on Kisa

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I'm so glad she is eating it, yes, licking a spoon is slow going. Can you
put just a dab IN the spoon and get her to lap it out of the spoon (rather
than licking the stuff that's clinging to the back of it)? If she wont do
that, you might have better luck with a wood Popsicle stick, as more of the
shake will "cling" to the wood than to a metal spoon.

I'm going offline for the night, big thunderstorm coming, according to the
weather channel.

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Re: Update on Kisa (tomato in liver shake)

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That should work, just be sure to dilute it to normal "juice" dilution
(taste it to be sure). Tomato paste is super concentrated.

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Re: Update on Kisa (tomato in liver shake)

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The tomato peel is not easily digested, and the seeds are not digested at
all. You could use fresh tomato if you blanch it, peel it, and then remove
all the seeds.

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Re: Anyone have experience with respiratory distresslikelycausedbyanemia?

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Yes, true, but my suggestion of Depo and Dex would also be a good choice
even if it is lymphoma-related respiratory distress. I stand by my
recommendation... go to the vet, get on oxygen immediately, then consider
treating with steroids - even if you don't know what is exactly the cause.

Phaewryn

  That is true, but respiratory distress in a cat should never ever be
ignored.  This cat just sounds so compromised and ill that I would at least
consider  that this might be irreversible and signaling the end.  I
certainly don't wish that on anyone and not this poster or her cat, but
having just had a perfectly healthy (other than FELV+) cat develop what
initially seemed to be an URI and then to have him crash within days, open
mouth breathe, and nearly die on the way to the ER vet (who then put him in
the oxygen tent only to see him NOT get any relief) and to later (after PTS)
discover that it was lymphoma, I am very sensitive to this.  I saw my Herbie
struggle to breath, I heard him yowl in pain, and remember how just weeks
ago, my vet said he was in pain...

  I've had other, small FELV+ kittens go into this type of distress as well,
that was the signal (in those cases) that we were beyond repair.

  I truly hope this can be resolved and the cat made better.  Please keep us
posted.


  Tracy
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Sent: 5/31/2007 7:01:15 PM
Subject: Re: Anyone have experience with respiratory distress
likelycausedbyanemia?


I know there have been other members here who lost cats in respiratory
distress. Personally, if it has been on-going, but not worsening, I would go
to the vet where the cat could be put in an oxygen cage for a while and
treated (possibly with steroids like Dexamethasone or Depomedrol, or both).
It's certainly not a sure sign of the end, by any means. Yes, sometimes it
does happen that way, but then there are also many causes of respiratory
distress, most of which ARE treatable.

Phaewryn

Re: Pictures of Abandoned Kittens

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They are adorable (what kittens aren't?)! Did you send the pictures in with
your letter to the editor? I would have.. maybe they would even make an
article out of it.

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Re: Anyone have experience with respiratory distress likely causedbyanemia?

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I know there have been other members here who lost cats in respiratory
distress. Personally, if it has been on-going, but not worsening, I would go
to the vet where the cat could be put in an oxygen cage for a while and
treated (possibly with steroids like Dexamethasone or Depomedrol, or both).
It's certainly not a sure sign of the end, by any means. Yes, sometimes it
does happen that way, but then there are also many causes of respiratory
distress, most of which ARE treatable.

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Re: Opinions Needed

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WONDERFUL letter! I highly commend you for it! Definitely send it in!

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Please add Scamper to the CLS list

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Please add our cat Scamper of 18 years to the CLS list. He lost his 
fight with cancer and CRF, he died in my arms. He will go to the rainbow 
bridge to reunite with his sibling Eli who passed last year of 
complications form FIV. His memory will be kept alive, so in part he 
will be be still alive.


He will be cremated, and then when my wife passes his ashes will join hers.

He was the kitten that did not stay down stairs in the box we made for 
him. He jumped/climbed up the stairs to our bedroom, jump/climbed up the 
comforter on our water bed to sleep with us.


Whitey Elric Bone, Regis, Luceria, Geo, Saiko, Stumpy, Marely, Eli, 
Cuddles, Butch, Romeo, Dartanion, Satan, Ni**er, Sasquash, Little Tux, 
Big Tux, and the too many others, help him at that place of rest, help 
him to enjoy being healthy and young again.


Sam and Marcia

Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee

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Maybe you can order some raw coffee beans and home roast them on high heat
in the dryer, LOL!

One thing though... I wouldn't advise doing a load of whites or light colors
in the dryer immediately after a load of coffee beans.

Phaewryn

>From watching crime dramas on tv, I've learned that coffee grounds are
used to disguise the scent from drug sniffing dogs.  Excuse me while I
go throw a pound of coffee in my dryer :-) .

Re: Plastic Bag Kitties

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Tigger loves those bags to play in. I can hold one open, and he will walk in
and lay down, then I can pick him up in it (like he's a sack of groceries),
and swing him around in it (he's laying down in the bag upside down at this
point, like a hammock). He chirps and then flips over and digs his claws in
and digs out through the bottom of the bag, and out he pops! He loves it,
he's a silly boy. Sometimes if I get tired of swinging him and he hasn't
decided it's time to get out yet, I hang him on a doorknob by the handles,
LOL!

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Re: Charlie Brown and little Sister Oscar to CLS

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I'm so sorry for your loss Shelia.

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Re: Please add Muffin and Pookie to the CLS

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oh, what a terrible tragedy! Those poor poor babies!

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Re: Please add Albert to the CLS

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I am so sorry, Kerry. He had a nice long life with you. I know you will miss
him.

I'm so glad to hear Inky is still doing well. I miss Bandy a lot, still, of
course. You have always had such a great bunch there, it's so hard to lose
them. My condolences go out to you.

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Re: New here with Felv+ cat

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When I had a FELV+ cat, I mixed with unvaccinated negative cats, I had NO
transmission at all. That's MY personal experience. He must be MUCH happier
in the sunroom than in a rabbit cage! How are his paw pads? Rabbit wire is
TERRIBLE on cat's feet! I find that extremely inhumane! I'm so glad you were
able to get him out of there!

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Re: Question about FIV/FeLV+ Mom and Kittens

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Add lysine to their diet. You can also try interferon, but you'll need a vet
for that. Honestly, I would not separate the kittens like you have done.
What you are seeing now (test results) can change at any time, and it seems
like a lot of extra work, kinda pointlessly, to me. They will either have,
or not have, both one or the other, or neither, what you're seeing now is
not going to tell you much of anything. You should also supplement momma as
well, as it's never too late for HER to throw off the viruses either!

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Re: Cat on immunoregulin - peeing more often

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Did the vet feed him a "kennel" food or did you take his usual stuff with
him? It's possible the vet is feeding tainted food in the kennels, though I
would hope not. I would rule that out first though, ask them specifically
what brand, line, and flavor they used if he got the kennel food.

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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas

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I'm in Vermont, we don't have mosquitoes very much here, certainly not in
the house! No risk here.

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Re: Charlie Brown - Long

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That sucks! No way could I ever live THAT far out in the middle of no where!

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Re: need infor help! hypoglycemia (sp?)

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Low blood glucose can and does lead to permanent neurological issues. He may
not get better. BUT, don't write him off just yet, let his glucose stabilize
for a week, and see, before making any decisions. Even if he is
neurologically disabled, that's not a death sentence. Many cats learn to
cope with neurological difficulties and live happy lives!

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Re: Cat on immunoregulin - colloidal silver

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A home-made renal diet would be far superior to any you could buy
commercially anyways, I believe Belinda can share a recipe or two with
you...

Belinda...?


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Re: Charlie Brown - Long

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Sending peace to Charlie Brown...

I would want to know why he stopped being able to walk overnight, were it
me, personally. Could be entirely curable.

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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas

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Patti, I think in cases where people have indoor/outdoor pets, like dogs,
and live in a high flea zone, it's almost impossible to avoid repellant type
fleas medications. It's probably worth the risk in those cases.

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Re: Prednisone - Thank You

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The cat with the ear tumor would be MUCH better off long-term by having the
ear removed than by being on pred long-term. There is a very involved, but
effective total ear abalation surgery that removes the entire ear canal,
including the inner and outer ear, and usually leaves a normal looking ear
flap, but if the tumor involves the flap, you could take that as well. If
it's only on the flap, of course, that's VERY easy to remove.

I have not heard of Pred being used for seizures, but I could be wrong
there.

The extreme nasal discharge you are describing sounds like it began as a
Herpes outbreak, or possibly Calici, and has since turned into a bacterial
nasal infection in some of your cats. I would advise stronger or different
antibiotics if you are not seeing improvement within 1 week of starting your
current antibiotics. Another thing worth trying is testing the mucous for
fungal infection, which often is something that is overlooked unless the
owner specifically requests it be checked for.
Here is a lab service that can test for most URI issues:
http://www.zoologix.com/dogcat/Datasheets/FelineRespiratoryPanel.htm
But, I would consider also doing a fungal test, at least for the most common
nasal fungal infection, Cryptococcosis, as it is a serious issue if left
untreated (the fungus can eat out the bones in the face if left to fester -
it can also lead to some of the other symptoms you mentioned in your other
cats, like blindness, and seizures - it's all around a NASTY thing that
should be seriously considered if antibiotics do not help).
http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2003&PID=6653&O=Generic

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Re: Update on Tomi, and my older kitty, Koda

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I'm so very sorry for your loss. She did have a nice, long, loved life.
Perhaps you could have a brass plate made to mount on the rock? You CAN etch
rock, but it requires special equipment.

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Re: We made it!!!

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Glad you made it and everyone is OK. My cat named Kiki used to get terribly
car sick as well! let us know about the cat facilities when you get settled,
the phrasing peaked my curiosity, I admit!

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Re: painless ways to donate thread

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Hey, cool! Feline Emergency Assistance DOES have a amazon program too! Very
cool. I will have to save that in my favs for my next amazon order! Thanks
for the tip!
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/felineveterin-20

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Re: painless ways to donate thread

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That goodsearch link is cool. I'm a big time googler, I suppose it would be
at least partially painless to switch to that search.

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Re: OT - Terramycin big sale at Amazon

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Oh yeah, I think I was thinking of overstock.com. My bad. Here's the list of
places that give through iGive, if anyone is totally lost on what we are
talking about:
http://www.igive.com/igivemall/body_merchantlist.cfm?sort=name

And more about what iGive is:
http://www.igive.com/html/faqs.cfm

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Re: Cat on immunoregulin - colloidal silver

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Oh yeah, the stuff that turns people BLUE. Love that stuff, the best "snake
oil" treatment in decades!
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html
http://www.silvermedicine.org/argyria.html

If your cat is a Russian Blue, I suppose it's totally harmless, LOL!

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Re: ??? about a negative kitty

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Yep, it's normal behavior. I had one cat who ATE those bags, and I now have
several who think they are the BEST litterbox on earth. Cats are fascinated
by plastic bags, it seems.

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Re: Prednisone?

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Dog food and milk will LEAD TO BLINDNESS IN CATS. It does not contain
TAURINE, an amino acid which cats require. Taurine deficiency in cats leads
to BLINDNESS. So, basically, EVERY cat at that dairy farm will be blind
eventually. The kindest thing you could do is DONATE the dairy farm bags of
cat food to feed the cats. I do that here in my area, as I also live in a
very rural area with lots of dairy farm cat dumping. It is quite possible
this cat has lived at the diary farm for a while, and recently lost his
sight due to the diet they are eating there. He probably wandered off into
the fields where you found him to die. I would advise you to try to educate
the farmers that run that farm, but I know from experience they don't often
respond well to that. Try GIVING them cat food. That would be the only
solution I can see.

Usually cats that lose their vision due to taurine deficiency never recover
their vision, despite treatment. I do not think Pred is a treatment for URI
at all, but I could be wrong. It's a steroid used for inflammation,
primarily. I suppose it could be of use in sinus infections if there is
nasal tissue swelling causing congestion. Perhaps you are thinking of it to
treat the eyes? Are the eyes inflamed, or is he just blind? Like I said,
pred is for inflammation, but usually NOTHING helps with blindness caused by
taurine deficiency. Try a stronger antibiotic, like Zithromax, which has
been discussed recently on this list (see archives for the past few days).
Pred is usually avoided if possible due to it causing Diabetes in felines.

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Re: OT - Terramycin big sale at Amazon

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Yes, it's called iGive. See the link in my signature to sign up. The Feline
Veterinary Assistance Program gets an EXTRA $5 donation for every new member
that signs up THROUGH MY SIG LINK!

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Re: Update on Tomi, and my older kitty, Koda

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I will be sending peaceful thoughts of comfort and love to Koda this
weekend. Do you have a heated bed, or a heating pad she could lay on, that
might help make her more comfortable. Be sure to cover the heating pad in
several towels or a thick blanket and set it on low, the human designed pads
often get too hot.

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Re: Cassidy now at Best Friends

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Welcome back Melissa, sounds like an emotionally draining situation. I know
you will get through it though! Just remember, he's in a happy place now,
like you said. Congrats on the new job too!

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Re: We're Baaack!!!!

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Yay! Welcome back!

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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas

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All pesticides are toxic poisons, something people tend to forget! That's
why I do my best to avoid using them, and I use a flea shampoo first, as it
rinses off. Like I said, if it has numerous warnings on it to wash your
hands after contact... do you REALLY want to POUR it over your cat's skin
(and leave it there)?!

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Re: Cat on immunoregulin

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Betamox is a UK branded pennicillin:
http://www.norbrook.co.uk/products/ProductData.cfm/product_Key/407/CatKey/1/Section/Veterinary_Products/
Dexifort is a UK branded dexamethasone:
http://www.intervet.co.uk/products_public/dexafort/010_overview.asp

Valid treatments, sounds fine to me! Not sure about mixing pennicillin and
Batril, but it's not contradicted according to this website:
http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=553

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Re: New Member - Deb and mixing

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That's awesome news! It probably was brought in with Jadon or Bruschi, or
maybe both had it. Did they come from the same place by chance?

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Re: Cat on immunoregulin

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I've never heard of silver collagen, but the other treatments sound logical
and appropriate. Good for your vet for treating appropriately, and not
writing your cat off! can you let us know his name and location, we keep a
record of all FELV friendly vets so others can find them.

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Re: Itchmo Safety Alert: FDA warns staff of melamine cancer risk

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Scary! WE handled it as well, as the humans who FED it to the animals that
died.

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Re: Double Positive in NY (altered F, approx. 1 y/o)

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Try calling:
http://www.petsalive.com/ 
http://www.animalhavenshelter.org/
http://www.springfarmcares.org/animalsanctuary.htm

Those are 3 no kill shelters in NY.

Here's the whole list if she's close to a bordering state:
http://ucat.us/NoKillSanctuaries.html

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Re: Vet of the Year (uplifting story)

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Personally, they are cute, but I wouldn't trust them. If it's not buckled
around the neck so tight their head can't get through using an unbreakable
fabric and a sturdy metal buckle, I'm not going to trust it. I used to take
my cats out in both a harness and a secondary collar, and I ran a "panic"
line from the collar to the leash end, so if they got out of the harness,
I'd still have them by the collar. I've since learned to trust my sturdy 5/8
inch nylon dog collars.

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Re: Rabies wavier (coon pic)

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This is my daughter Amber with one of my dad's rehabilitated coons:
http://ucat.us/AmberRaccoon.jpg

I carbon copied this to the FELVOT list, so we could take this OT discussion
over there. :-)

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Re: OT- Kitten safe flea products (was - Cheap source of Zithromax?)

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http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=2&cat=1588&articleid=598
Lists all the facts about how the various insecticides work

http://www.purepet.com/oflea.html
Is the natural flea shampoo I was thinking might be safe for smaller
kittens, but their website doesn't say.

http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=430&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=12&iSubCat=245&iSubSubCat=252&iProductID=430
Appears to be safe for over 6 weeks old.

http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=5128&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=12&iSubCat=245&iSubSubCat=0&iProductID=5128
Another safe over 6 weeks.

http://www.naturalchemistry.com/pet/StorePlus/Store/viewConsumerItems.asp?idProduct=99
http://www.naturalchemistry.com/pet/StorePlus/Store/viewConsumerItems.asp?idProduct=78
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=699&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=12&iSubCat=142&iSubSubCat=0&iProductID=699
May be safe, no ages listed. It does say to rinse the cat after spraying
though.

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Re: Eye ointments (was OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?)

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I posted this to the OT group earlier today, but I guess not everyone has
joined it, so here it is here:

Terramycin eye antibiotic ointment for under $9:
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=2336&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=306&iSubCat=317&iSubSubCat=320&iProductID=2336

A cat condo cage for under $90.00:
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=4851&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=733&iSubCat=757&iSubSubCat=759&iProductID=4851

Cat muzzles for only $1.29 each:
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=2523&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=835&iSubCat=838&iSubSubCat=841&iProductID=2523

Glazed ceramic cat bowls for under $2.00:
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=4887&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=835&iSubCat=838&iSubSubCat=0&iProductID=4887

Stainless steel bowls for as little as $1.49:
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=5135&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=835&iSubCat=838&iSubSubCat=0&iProductID=5135

Cat WALKING collars (not safety, but escape proof for walking on a leash)
for under $1:
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=5623&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=835&iSubCat=838&iSubSubCat=0&iProductID=5623

Too cute! Little doggy/kitty tutu for under $3.00 (depending on cat size,
would probably be a small):
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=5151&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=835&iSubCat=838&iSubSubCat=0&iProductID=5151

LIFE JACKETS starting at $4.99 (think New Orleans - if owners had had these
in their emergency kits, and put them on their pets before leaving, how many
lives might have been saved!):
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=4953&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=835&iSubCat=838&iSubSubCat=844&iProductID=4953

Soft Paws for under $13.00:
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=1492&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=306&iSubCat=317&iSubSubCat=324&iProductID=1492

Simple Solution GALLONS for under $13!!!:
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=1380&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=306&iSubCat=398&iSubSubCat=403&iProductID=1380

Nature's Miracle GALLONS under $18:
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=1380&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=306&iSubCat=398&iSubSubCat=403&iProductID=1380

Top Performance disinfectant cleaner (cherry/lemon/wintergreen/fresh scents)
GALLON concentrate makes 256 gallons of diluted cleaner for under $17.00:
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=6544&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=306&iSubCat=398&iSubSubCat=403&iProductID=6544

All kindsa of cat furniture and scratchers starting at $10 for carpeted
posts:
http://www.petedge.com/jump.jsp?itemID=469&itemType=INDEX&iMainCat=460&iSubCat=468&bShowImage=yes&PAGE_PRODUCT_COUNT=25

And the BEST score, a 15 foot "flexi-style" retractable lead for under $3!!!
http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=4470&itemType=PRODUCT&iProductID=4470


AND, the FELVOT group sign-up page (since this type of thing should be being
discussed THERE:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/felvot/


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Re: Vet of the Year (uplifting story)

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Reader's digest would love that story, I bet, especially after you get your
kitty back and there's a happy ending!

For future reference, and to everyone else on the list, please don't use
"cat" figure 8 style harnesses. They have a DESIGN FLAW and cannot possibly
be trusted to ever hold a squirming panicked cat! The way they function
means that there is no way to make them secure. I better option is a good
sturdy nylon PUPPY collar, preferably 5/8 inch wide, and out it on so it is
TIGHT, so you can barely get your finger under the collar. For cats that
can't stand just a collar, and that need to disperse some of the weight to
the abdomen, a H style harness is a MUCH better option than a figure 8
style. An H style has a solid neck strap collar and a solid chest/belly
band, attached by a connector strap that connects the two over the top of
the cat's back with a d ring on top to attach the leash. The neck strap part
should be adjusted like a collar, TIGHT but not choking the cat, so it
cannot go over the cats head if they pull back against it. The chest strap
can be looser as it's just there to distribute some of the pulling force off
the neck. This is the SAFE type of cat harness:
http://www.willasark.com/lupineharness.cfm

Everytime I see a store with a figure 8 cat harness, I cringe at the thought
of how insecure they are!

I hope you find your baby!

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Re: Rabies wavier

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My dad rehabbed orphaned baby coons illegally for about 6 years in
Tennessee, his vet would CALL him when one came in, and they would fake it's
death on paperwork, and smuggle it to my dad's farm.

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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?

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That's the problem, the warning is buried in two pages of TINY text in the
package insert. Not even the vets bother to read it:
http://www.revolution4cats.com/docs/pdf/FullInfill.pdf

My favorite flea product is a shampoo by Zodiac called fleatrol. It's a
shampoo, and it kills fleas and ticks while on the pet, but it doesn't
absorb into their skin like flea repellants do, so when you rinse it off,
all the toxic chemicals are GONE. That being said, the label still reads
"not for use on sick, weak, or debilitated animals or those under 12 weeks
of age. There are new "natural" flea shampoos out there that may be better
for weak or young cats/kittens. I use this Zodiac flea shampoo on MYSELF
after hiking to kill any ticks I may have picked up on the trail. I feel
safe using it on my cats because I use it on myself too. Anything that has
bold text warnings that say "wear gloves when applying, and wash thoroughly
if contact with skin occurs" are NOT GOOD, because this is stuff you plan to
put on your PET'S skin, and LEAVE on there! I mean, think about it, like -
DUH! It's the whole double standard we have for humanity verses everything
else, what's good for them isn't necessarily what's good for US too. After
all, they are JUST animals. (rolling eyes)

I'm going to see what I can turn up for use on younger kittens and cats
under 2 LBS.

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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?

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2 lbs does seem large.. I think other products might be able to be used
before then. How old are they now? I know you've said it like 50 times, but
I'm such a black hole. :-)

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Re: New Member - Deb and mixing

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Every "what if" I have experienced in the past brought me to a new awareness
in the present, even though the lessons were hard, I learned from them.
"What if" I had just taken that extra few minutes to check on Kiki that
night, rather than going to bed because I was too tired to feed him? Would I
have been able to take him to the vet in time to save him? That was a hard
lesson, when I found him dead the next morning with injuries. BUT, now, when
I think something might be wrong, I take action on it IMMEDIATELY, I never
wait to take care of things I could put off until tomorrow, because I
learned that sometimes tomorrow doesn't come. "What if" I had just not let
him go outside? Would he have not been hit by that car? Of course not. BUT,
now I keep my cats indoors only, unless they are on a leash. I learned from
that "what if" as well. What if I had only KNOWN that a broken back wasn't a
death sentence? Would I still have my sweet Do-Dah here today, happy in a
cat cart? I miss him, but now I know that it's not a death sentence, and
I've used the lesson I learned from his life to help countless injured pets
since by telling THEIR owners "don't listen to your vet, there ARE options!"
I have Bones to show for it too, I think it was a test, that I was to be
sent not one, but TWO cats with broken backs. The first one, I got it wrong,
but the second one... well, she couldn't be any happier than she is today! I
swear to you all, I am SURE that I have been sent these "second chances"
just to redeem myself and forgive my past mistakes! I could list a long list
of all the "what if's" I've experienced in my years with cats, all my
regrets, and all of my losses, but the fact remains the same, no matter HOW
HARD that lesson came, and no matter how many times I relive it, and no
matter how many tears I shed, I know that I LEARNED, and THAT means that
none of their lives were in vain.


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Re: question on test result

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My thoughts about FELV and euth'ing them just because of the test results
are this:

Isn't every moment in life a moment for a discovery, a moment to find joy, a
moment to know what it is to be loved? Is it fair for us to take ANY of
those moments away from any living thing just because they MIGHT later get
sick and die? True, many FELV+ cats do eventually get sick and die or have
to be put down, BUT, I think life is better measured by it's QUALITY rather
than it's QUANTITY! Even short lives can be filled with happiness, love, and
joy. Just because something is short-lived, doesn't mean it's not worth
experiencing. EVERY life has a purpose, everything is here for a reason, and
all the creatures that enter our lives are here to teach us something. I've
said it before, and I will quote it again, from Moogie's memorial page:

In Memory Of Moogie

  I can look back and know that even though she only lived just over a year,
she had all of the good experiences any cat could have in a lifetime, she
just did it a little faster than most.

Sickly kitties give more love.

I hope everyone opens their heart to a sickly kitty and gives it the best
life possible.

  Sickly kitties need more love, more time, more attention, and more
devotion, but they give it all back to you. Sickly kitties snuggle up under
your covers at night because they have a hard time staying warm on their
own. Sickly kitties trust you 100%, because sickly kitties know that you
crawl on your hands and knees on the way to the toilet in the middle of the
night just so you don't step on the sickly kitty stretched across the hall
way floor that doesn't have enough energy (or desire) to move out of your
way. Sickly kitties know that if suddenly their food begins to taste bad and
they don't want to eat it any more, you will go to the grocery store and buy
them a carton of light cream and some ham lunch meat. Sickly kitties know
that sudden trips to the vet to get rehydrated because mom had to be at work
for 8 hours and couldn't be home to force feed water 3 cc's at a time are
the norm, and no work schedule is more important than rehydrating the sickly
kitty. Sickly kitties know that even though they feel really bad, in a few
days mom will make it all better again, and they can enjoy a few more weeks
under the covers with mom at night, a few more weeks walking across mom's
keyboard on the weekends. Sickly kitties know that mom never lies, mom never
ignores them, and mom never puts them in second place. In the end, sickly
kitties know that mom will be there and hold them and tell them everything
is OK, and that it's OK to go to sleep, and as they close their eyes and let
go, sickly kitties know that mom loves them, and always will, and mom knows
the love is a mutual feeling.

  Sure, it hurts, but I get a lot in return for my efforts, it makes me feel
good inside, and that's the best feeling in the world. I have no regrets.
Life is a roller coaster of emotion, you might as well be in the front seat
where the view is good, and the wind is in your face.

From: http://ucat.us/Moogie/index.html

(sorry for making everyone cry again)



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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?

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That is EXACTLY the attitude you NEED to have! At least you gave them a
CHANCE! I agree with your vet.

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Re: Rabies wavier

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"I don't think the law requires the vet to give it.  The pet is
required to have it regardless, which would make the responsibility
fall on me."

In that case, order the vaccine online, pull it up into a syringe, and
squirt it down the toilet, and call the cat "vaccinated". No-one can say you
DIDN'T give it to the cat! You have the sales receipt to "prove" you bought
it (you can even save the bottle and the packaging)! I think
http://jefferspet.com still sells rabies vaccines.

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Re: question on test result

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There are slight positives and strong positives. That is true, however, this
vet is crazy, even allowing that she is right about that! You took an
INJURED cat to her, and she did NOTHING to treat the INJURIES, but instead
let the cat sit in a cage suffering for 4 hours and then the ONLY thing she
did was a FELV test? No wonder the cat DIED THERE! Personally, I would
report her to the state veterinary board for malpractice (and the local SPCA
or humane society for cruelty)!

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Re: need advice from new member

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You need a different vet. He's done two tests, with conflicting results, and
no tests on the kittens, and let he's advocating euth? He's NUTS. Period.
NO, that's not the right thing to do, and NO that's not the usual course of
action. You have an INCOMPETENT VET!

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Re: Eye ointments (was OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?)

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I'm a keeshond fan myself, closely related in the Spitz family.

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Re: Eye ointments (was OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?) - householdremedies

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The vet I worked for use super glue exclusively instead of tissue glue. In
fact, we once ran out in the middle of puppy dew claw removal, and I had to
run to the store and buy a tube! It's also a great thing to have on hand in
any human emergency kit for the same reason. I use it all the time to glue
down "hangnails" and to close my papercuts.

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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?

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Revolution almost killed a member's cat here a few years back, it's totally
NOT recommended for underweight, weak, sick, or debilitated cats or kittens.
We were even successful at having the internationally distributed label
changed to reflect that fact, as only their US label said that warning (it's
called a different brand overseas - but it's the same product). Just wanted
to mention it, since you said they treated momma cat with it at the shelter.
I would never use it on a pregnant cat, even if the label says it's OK.


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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?

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Certainly there is some way to know WHICH virus it is other than necropsies?
Some sort of DNA test maybe - that you could do on a live cat with a blood
sample?

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Re: New Member

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Hi Deb, welcome to the group. I sent you several private emails with your
cat's webpage, and Petfinder listing.
In case anyone hasn't seen these beautiful boys:
http://ucat.us/BCR/JadonBruschi.html

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