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Lynne, I know it's scary because of what's happened. I would still go ahead and spay though. t Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS!
Good idea. You would not forgive yourself if something happened and you didn't. If you have a holistic/alternative vet in the area you might consult them. If not, and if you would like, I have the website of one who will do telelphone consults. Carolyn has used her too. On Jun 23, 2008, at 6:59 AM, Lynne wrote: Thank you so much Gloria. I am going to print the article below and take it to our vet. I've decided to have her checked out thoroughly by our vet before having the spay. I realize the importance of having the surgery. I'm a huge advocate of sterilizing and feel a bit of a hipocrit for not getting this done, but I also will not risk her life if there is the slightest chance of something happening to her. She is healthy, or so she was given a clean bill of health when we got her, but still I want her examined first by our vet. Lynne - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:16 AM Subject: Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS! Just want to repeat this, folks - BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT SPAYING PERSIANS! Small airways, more risk of death. As I understand this is a Persian! Check with the vet first - and check the vet out - make sure they've spayed Persians before, know what they're doing, will intubate, etc. Don't let just any vet spay a Persian. I lost a kitty this way. See the article below. Gloria -- - On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in good shape before any surgery. And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs don't know that. I've had that happen. Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: == http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though. == Hope this is helpful. Gloria On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory
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Sounds good - better safe than sorry. Gloria On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Lynne wrote: Gloria, I spoke with my vet today and was assured that extra precautions are taken with cats like Persians. The anesthetic used is Isoflorine and she will be intubated. Lynne - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:46 AM Subject: Re: spaying Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in good shape before any surgery. And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs don't know that. I've had that happen. Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: == http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though. == Hope this is helpful. Gloria On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh
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Kelley, spaying is part of the contract. That is why I would speak with the foster mom first if I had any misgivings about doing it. This agency doesn't give the cats up for adoption without neutering but an exception was made here because supposedly I'm a responsible enough person to carry through with the procedure. That and the fact that I bugged the hell out of them for her. I've decided that I am going to cancel the surgery for tomorrow and instead set up an appointment for Snowy to meet this vet and have a complete physical including blood work etc. I do worry about her breathing. When she plays for a long time she pants, tongue hanging out just like a dog. Her nose is so tiny you can hardly find it. I will ask about intubating her. She hasn't had any herpes outbreak since we've had her. She eats well, plays hard and loves life. She hasn't met our regular vet. She had the emergency surgery on her paw through an after hours clinic. I think our regular vet who cared for BooBoo would not take any kind of risk with her knowing what we and he went through trying to save Boo. Still I'm scared. If this is to be done, I would like it done within the next week as I'm on vacation and would want to be here with her during her recovery. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 6:19 PM Subject: Re: spaying Hi Lynne, I would check the contract you have with the agency from which you adopted her. It is likely the adoption is conditional on you getting her spayed - this is why we do not adopt out unspayed animals btw. Unless there is some severe underlying health issue, which the vet should have advised you of, it is always healthier for the cat to be altered. It reduces or eliminates the chances of certain types of cancer, it eliminates the chance of unplanned pregnancies, etc. On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http
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Thank you Dede. I'm gonna do just that, talk to the vet about everything. Lynne - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:13 PM Subject: Re: spaying Lynne, I can undrstand your feelings, especially with what you have gone through. Kelley is right about all she says. I just finished working at a spay/neuter clinic today...35 cats done successfully. If you use a really safe anesthesia, and the cat is monitored. You should really be OK. Most of the cats we did today had had litters before. Really, talk to your vet about EVERYTHING they will do, and your concerns It should make you feel better. Best you you all, Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: spaying To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 6:19 PM Hi Lynne, I would check the contract you have with the agency from which you adopted her. It is likely the adoption is conditional on you getting her spayed - this is why we do not adopt out unspayed animals btw. Unless there is some severe underlying health issue, which the vet should have advised you of, it is always healthier for the cat to be altered. It reduces or eliminates the chances of certain types of cancer, it eliminates the chance of unplanned pregnancies, etc. On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave
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Gloria, I spoke with my vet today and was assured that extra precautions are taken with cats like Persians. The anesthetic used is Isoflorine and she will be intubated. Lynne - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:46 AM Subject: Re: spaying Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in good shape before any surgery. And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs don't know that. I've had that happen. Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: == http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though. == Hope this is helpful. Gloria On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one
Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS!
Thank you so much Gloria. I am going to print the article below and take it to our vet. I've decided to have her checked out thoroughly by our vet before having the spay. I realize the importance of having the surgery. I'm a huge advocate of sterilizing and feel a bit of a hipocrit for not getting this done, but I also will not risk her life if there is the slightest chance of something happening to her. She is healthy, or so she was given a clean bill of health when we got her, but still I want her examined first by our vet. Lynne - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:16 AM Subject: Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS! Just want to repeat this, folks - BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT SPAYING PERSIANS! Small airways, more risk of death. As I understand this is a Persian! Check with the vet first - and check the vet out - make sure they've spayed Persians before, know what they're doing, will intubate, etc. Don't let just any vet spay a Persian. I lost a kitty this way. See the article below. Gloria -- - On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in good shape before any surgery. And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs don't know that. I've had that happen. Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: == http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though. == Hope this is helpful. Gloria On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why
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If you do, consider having a vet who uses laser or its equivalent do it. There is supposed to be less bleeding and less stress. I am not saying spay or not, but check this out. On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Good for Snowy! Putting a job on him when he called her a bad kitty. Personally, I am always pro spay/neuter and it would take a very unusual circumstance for me not to have an animal of mine fixed. They end up with so much less stress when they are altered. Sue _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: spaying If you do, consider having a vet who uses laser or its equivalent do it. There is supposed to be less bleeding and less stress. I am not saying spay or not, but check this out. On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: spaying
One caution: consider refusing all vaccinations and other stressors near the time she is spayed. Having everything done at once is convenient for us and for the cat but, if there are problems, can overwhelm the little one. If you have a homeopathic vet around you might consider seeing what could reduce the shock of surgery too. On Jun 22, 2008, at 5:17 AM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: Good for Snowy! “Putting a job on him” when he called her a bad kitty. Personally, I am always pro spay/neuter and it would take a very unusual circumstance for me not to have an animal of mine fixed. They end up with so much less stress when they are altered. Sue From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: spaying If you do, consider having a vet who uses laser or its equivalent do it. There is supposed to be less bleeding and less stress. I am not saying spay or not, but check this out. On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: spaying
Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in good shape before any surgery. And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs don't know that. I've had that happen. Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: == http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though. == Hope this is helpful. Gloria On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the
Re: spaying
One more thought: consider starting her on colostrum and leaving her on it for a good period after her recovery. It has wonderful abilities to aid in repair and recovery. On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in good shape before any surgery. And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs don't know that. I've had that happen. Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: == http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though. == Hope this is helpful. Gloria On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible
Re: spaying
Hi Lynne, I would check the contract you have with the agency from which you adopted her. It is likely the adoption is conditional on you getting her spayed - this is why we do not adopt out unspayed animals btw. Unless there is some severe underlying health issue, which the vet should have advised you of, it is always healthier for the cat to be altered. It reduces or eliminates the chances of certain types of cancer, it eliminates the chance of unplanned pregnancies, etc. On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: spaying
Lynne, I can undrstand your feelings, especially with what you have gone through. Kelley is right about all she says. I just finished working at a spay/neuter clinic today...35 cats done successfully. If you use a really safe anesthesia, and the cat is monitored. You should really be OK. Most of the cats we did today had had litters before. Really, talk to your vet about EVERYTHING they will do, and your concerns It should make you feel better. Best you you all, Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: spaying To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 6:19 PM Hi Lynne, I would check the contract you have with the agency from which you adopted her. It is likely the adoption is conditional on you getting her spayed - this is why we do not adopt out unspayed animals btw. Unless there is some severe underlying health issue, which the vet should have advised you of, it is always healthier for the cat to be altered. It reduces or eliminates the chances of certain types of cancer, it eliminates the chance of unplanned pregnancies, etc. On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone.___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS!
Just want to repeat this, folks - BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT SPAYING PERSIANS! Small airways, more risk of death. As I understand this is a Persian! Check with the vet first - and check the vet out - make sure they've spayed Persians before, know what they're doing, will intubate, etc. Don't let just any vet spay a Persian. I lost a kitty this way. See the article below. Gloria --- On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in good shape before any surgery. And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs don't know that. I've had that happen. Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: == http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though. == Hope this is helpful. Gloria On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now.
Re: spaying
hi guys this seems to be the last post I have rec'd from the list. Is something wrong? At one point I was asked to sign in, which I did, but that was a long time ago. I hope everyone is ok ...it feels so strange not being connected. If anyone can help, I would appreciate it. On Apr 25, 2008, at 9:45 PM, laurieskatz wrote: Lynne, maybe you can request oxygen? My Frankie is having surgery to remove some lumps and have them biopsied tomorrow. He is asthmatic. I requested oxygen. L - Original Message - From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: Re: spaying Thanks Dede, I realize I'm concerned about a procedure that is routine but I was still worried about her little pushed in nose and having difficulty in breathing while under but the technician I spoke to told me that she would be carefully monitored during the procedure. After all she has been through in her short 3 years I just feel bad about having to subject her to anything that involves pain. She's just so happy now. And I'm still kind of in disbelief about what happened with BooBoo. I just don't take anything for granted anymore when it comes to my pets. Lynne - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: spaying Lynne, I know how you feel. Your new little one is healthy. If you go to a capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, she'll be fine. I have seen the proceedure done many times. We waited almost a year to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma. I was a basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery. She is now 10 yrs old...fat and very content. Good luck and God bless. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: spaying To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne _ ___ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I get messages on a very on and off basis,too. ?? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: spaying hi guys this seems to be the last post I have rec'd from the list. Is something wrong? At one point I was asked to sign in, which I did, but that was a long time ago. I hope everyone is ok ...it feels so strange not being connected. If anyone can help, I would appreciate it. On Apr 25, 2008, at 9:45 PM, laurieskatz wrote: Lynne, maybe you can request oxygen? My Frankie is having surgery to remove some lumps and have them biopsied tomorrow. He is asthmatic. I requested oxygen. L - Original Message - From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: Re: spaying Thanks Dede, I realize I'm concerned about a procedure that is routine but I was still worried about her little pushed in nose and having difficulty in breathing while under but the technician I spoke to told me that she would be carefully monitored during the procedure. After all she has been through in her short 3 years I just feel bad about having to subject her to anything that involves pain. She's just so happy now. And I'm still kind of in disbelief about what happened with BooBoo. I just don't take anything for granted anymore when it comes to my pets. Lynne - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: spaying Lynne, I know how you feel. Your new little one is healthy. If you go to a capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, she'll be fine. I have seen the proceedure done many times. We waited almost a year to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma. I was a basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery. She is now 10 yrs old...fat and very content. Good luck and God bless. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: spaying To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne _ ___ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I will mention that to him when I take her in, but for some reason I believe the technician told me they would be doing that. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: spaying Lynne, maybe you can request oxygen? My Frankie is having surgery to remove some lumps and have them biopsied tomorrow. He is asthmatic. I requested oxygen. L - Original Message - From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: Re: spaying Thanks Dede, I realize I'm concerned about a procedure that is routine but I was still worried about her little pushed in nose and having difficulty in breathing while under but the technician I spoke to told me that she would be carefully monitored during the procedure. After all she has been through in her short 3 years I just feel bad about having to subject her to anything that involves pain. She's just so happy now. And I'm still kind of in disbelief about what happened with BooBoo. I just don't take anything for granted anymore when it comes to my pets. Lynne - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: spaying Lynne, I know how you feel. Your new little one is healthy. If you go to a capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, she'll be fine. I have seen the proceedure done many times. We waited almost a year to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma. I was a basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery. She is now 10 yrs old...fat and very content. Good luck and God bless. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: spaying To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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Lynne, I know it is scary. My Rocket was just spayed Tuesday and came thru with flying colors. You can ask the vet what type of anesthesia they use. My vet used isoflurane. Sevoflurane also puts less strain on the cat. Be sure to tell the vet you do not want Metacam given as a pain med. Not the injection or oral liquid. Even though a single Metacam injection is approved by the FDA for use in cats it has caused chronic renal failure in some kitties. Buprenorphine (Buprenex) has been used for kitties with no adverse affect. There is always a risk with anesthesia but there are also risks not spaying her. The incidence of mammary cancer is higher in kitties that have not been spayed. We'll keep our fingers and toes crossed for her. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
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Kelley, this rescue does the same thing, neuters or spays before the animals are released BUT I so bugged these people about Snowy and practically begged for her, the foster mom and the vet let us have her with the agreement we would bring her in for spaying in April. Dumb me, should have waited the extra couple of weeks and I wouldn't be worrying about this now. I did call the vet the other day and asked if there was any additional risk with her being a persian and basically having no nose and they assured me there wasn't. - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 12:50 AM Subject: Re: spaying Hi Lynne, I know it is scary - I used to be scared to death every time I did it...that's why our rescue does it for people so they come already spayed:) But really it is a very safe procedure..try not to worry TOO much..easier said than done I know! On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone.
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Thank you Sharyl. I've written this down and will definitely ask him when I see him about pain meds and the anesthesia. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:43 AM Subject: Re: spaying Lynne, I know it is scary. My Rocket was just spayed Tuesday and came thru with flying colors. You can ask the vet what type of anesthesia they use. My vet used isoflurane. Sevoflurane also puts less strain on the cat. Be sure to tell the vet you do not want Metacam given as a pain med. Not the injection or oral liquid. Even though a single Metacam injection is approved by the FDA for use in cats it has caused chronic renal failure in som e kitties. Buprenorphine (Buprenex) has been used for kitties with no adverse affect. There is always a risk with anesthesia but there are also risks not spaying her. The incidence of mammary cancer is higher in kitties that have not been spayed. We'll keep our fingers and toes crossed for her. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thur sday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever re cover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
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Hi, Lynn, Anyone who knows from this list all that you did for BooBoo also knows that Snowy is a lucky kitty to have you. I'm so glad to hear things are going well for her and you. Is she ending up being your cat? Best wishes for her next Thursday. So many cats get spayed all the time with no problems. I'm sure she will come through with flying colors. Sue Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne
Re: spaying ~ bllood work, lysine and meditation
Lynne, I understand. I always insist on blood work up as that will tell you if everything is normal, no matter what the age of the cat. Some vets only want to do this on older cats. I would give her L-lysine twice a day, 500 mg each time until she goes in and for a few days after she gets home (late notice I realize) ~ this is for the herpes. Winston's acts up when he is stressed and he gets stressed going to the vet. I crush a 500mg pill and mix in with canned food. I recommend,if you are so inclined, you turn this over to your higher power, the universe, etc and RELEASE any negative energy you are carrying about this. You don't want Snowy to pick up on your fears. I find I bring to myself those things I fear...Frankie is having a biopsy tomorrow so I am in the midst of this process, too. I practice breathing when I go to that place of fear... I take a breath in and think or say in with peace and breathe out and think or say out with negativity). The serenity prayer is another way I calm myself. Our best to you and Snowy. Headbutts, Laurie and Frankie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:47 PM Subject: spaying Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne
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They are going to use Buprenex for Frankie. I won't use metacam on my cats. - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:43 AM Subject: Re: spaying Lynne, I know it is scary. My Rocket was just spayed Tuesday and came thru with flying colors. You can ask the vet what type of anesthesia they use. My vet used isoflurane. Sevoflurane also puts less strain on the cat. Be sure to tell the vet you do not want Metacam given as a pain med. Not the injection or oral liquid. Even though a single Metacam injection is approved by the FDA for use in cats it has caused chronic renal failure in some kitties. Buprenorphine (Buprenex) has been used for kitties with no adverse affect. There is always a risk with anesthesia but there are also risks not spaying her. The incidence of mammary cancer is higher in kitties that have not been spayed. We'll keep our fingers and toes crossed for her. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
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Lynne, I know how you feel. Your new little one is healthy. If you go to a capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, she'll be fine. I have seen the proceedure done many times. We waited almost a year to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma. I was a basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery. She is now 10 yrs old...fat and very content. Good luck and God bless. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: spaying To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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Thanks Dede, I realize I'm concerned about a procedure that is routine but I was still worried about her little pushed in nose and having difficulty in breathing while under but the technician I spoke to told me that she would be carefully monitored during the procedure. After all she has been through in her short 3 years I just feel bad about having to subject her to anything that involves pain. She's just so happy now. And I'm still kind of in disbelief about what happened with BooBoo. I just don't take anything for granted anymore when it comes to my pets. Lynne - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: spaying Lynne, I know how you feel. Your new little one is healthy. If you go to a capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, she'll be fine. I have seen the proceedure done many times. We waited almost a year to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma. I was a basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery. She is now 10 yrs old...fat and very content. Good luck and God bless. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: spaying To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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Lynne, maybe you can request oxygen? My Frankie is having surgery to remove some lumps and have them biopsied tomorrow. He is asthmatic. I requested oxygen. L - Original Message - From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: Re: spaying Thanks Dede, I realize I'm concerned about a procedure that is routine but I was still worried about her little pushed in nose and having difficulty in breathing while under but the technician I spoke to told me that she would be carefully monitored during the procedure. After all she has been through in her short 3 years I just feel bad about having to subject her to anything that involves pain. She's just so happy now. And I'm still kind of in disbelief about what happened with BooBoo. I just don't take anything for granted anymore when it comes to my pets. Lynne - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: spaying Lynne, I know how you feel. Your new little one is healthy. If you go to a capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, she'll be fine. I have seen the proceedure done many times. We waited almost a year to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma. I was a basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery. She is now 10 yrs old...fat and very content. Good luck and God bless. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: spaying To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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You should worry. Not because anything is going to go wrong but because that is what a person does when they care about a being. I have a young feral at the vets' now. I have called and checked on her more times than I would care to count. When it is one of my own I pretty well camp out at the vets'. Luckily, when it is one of my own, I take her to vets I have dealt with for years and they know I am nuts and humor me. Unfortunately, the trip is much too long for ferals. They would totally stress out. All you can do is get them the best care you can. You are doing that. She will be home and you will be cuddling her soon. Worrying is just part of loving. Don't be upset with yourself for loving. On Apr 25, 2008, at 4:45 PM, Lynne wrote: Thanks Dede, I realize I'm concerned about a procedure that is routine but I was still worried about her little pushed in nose and having difficulty in breathing while under but the technician I spoke to told me that she would be carefully monitored during the procedure. After all she has been through in her short 3 years I just feel bad about having to subject her to anything that involves pain. She's just so happy now. And I'm still kind of in disbelief about what happened with BooBoo. I just don't take anything for granted anymore when it comes to my pets. Lynne - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: spaying Lynne, I know how you feel. Your new little one is healthy. If you go to a capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, she'll be fine. I have seen the proceedure done many times. We waited almost a year to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma. I was a basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery. She is now 10 yrs old...fat and very content. Good luck and God bless. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: spaying To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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I would spay. I think your vet would tell you if there were any problem and would persuade you not to spay. Spaying dramatically increases your cat's risk of cancer. The stress of going into heat is also bad for a positive cat. I have had both my positive cats spayed. tonya Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recommended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
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Many members keep their positive cats on interferon. tonya Kathy Dillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to bring her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her sapyed. I believe they said they would do blood work at that time. After she tested positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her on interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea? Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I guess you have to trust your vet. I still have misgivings about it but will be getting my girl spayed also. I must confess I am very nervous about having it done. She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no cause for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do get her spayed. Why is your little one on interferon? Has she had routine blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok? There was a young leukemia positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was going to be spayed. So I don't know what the best thing to do is. I never had a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed everything went downhill rapidly after he was neutered. I'm just a little paranoid these days. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet said she seems very healthy. The vet said that cats that are not spayed have more problems with cancer. She has been in heat twice now and it does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: STYLE Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. kathy - Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. kathy - Special deal for Yahoo! users friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now
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I think Tonya meant to say that spaying decreases the risk of cancer. I'm about to have my 2 FeLV+ females spayed per the vets recommendation. One has already gone into heat. Her appetite was affected and she seemed pretty stressed out. There is a risk to any surgery. You just have to make the best decision you can with your vet's help. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would spay. I think your vet would tell you if there were any problem and would persuade you not to spay. Spaying dramatically increases your cat's risk of cancer. The stress of going into heat is also bad for a positive cat. I have had both my positive cats spayed. tonya Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recommended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. - You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.
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Hopefully I'm not repeating something here, but we've had 2 young females (both approx 8 mos) in 2 different feral colonies recently with pyometra. One was obviously ill and close to death. The other was just dumb luck - trapped her expecting a routine spay and was very surprised to find out. Both cats survived. But that's another reason to tip the spay or not scale. Janine --- Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Tonya meant to say that spaying decreases the risk of cancer. I'm about to have my 2 FeLV+ females spayed per the vets recommendation. One has already gone into heat. Her appetite was affected and she seemed pretty stressed out. There is a risk to any surgery. You just have to make the best decision you can with your vet's help. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would spay. I think your vet would tell you if there were any problem and would persuade you not to spay. Spaying dramatically increases your cat's risk of cancer. The stress of going into heat is also bad for a positive cat. I have had both my positive cats spayed. tonya Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recommended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. - You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.
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Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recommended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
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She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet said she seems very healthy. The vet said that cats that are not spayed have more problems with cancer. She has been in heat twice now and it does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recommended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. kathy - Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost.
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Well, I guess you have to trust your vet. I still have misgivings about it but will be getting my girl spayed also. I must confess I am very nervous about having it done. She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no cause for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do get her spayed. Why is your little one on interferon? Has she had routine blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok? There was a young leukemia positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was going to be spayed. So I don't know what the best thing to do is. I never had a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed everything went downhill rapidly after he was neutered. I'm just a little paranoid these days. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet said she seems very healthy. The vet said that cats that are not spayed have more problems with cancer. She has been in heat twice now and it does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: STYLE Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. kathy -- Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost.
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The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to bring her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her sapyed. I believe they said they would do blood work at that time. After she tested positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her on interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea? Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I guess you have to trust your vet. I still have misgivings about it but will be getting my girl spayed also. I must confess I am very nervous about having it done. She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no cause for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do get her spayed. Why is your little one on interferon? Has she had routine blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok? There was a young leukemia positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was going to be spayed. So I don't know what the best thing to do is. I never had a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed everything went downhill rapidly after he was neutered. I'm just a little paranoid these days. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet said she seems very healthy. The vet said that cats that are not spayed have more problems with cancer. She has been in heat twice now and it does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: STYLE Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. kathy - Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. kathy - Special deal for Yahoo! users friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now
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I've usually have mine spayed/neutered. Never seems to have a negative effect. I have Calawalla Banana spayed at about 6 months - one of my first FELV kitties - she was perky and healthy, came thru it like a champ. Vet said it would avoid the stress of going into heat, etc. That was a few years ago. I couldn't believe that she'd be dead at 3 yrs, or Mediastinal Lymphoma. I do think the interferon does help, I wasn't using it at that time. Gloria At 06:33 PM 3/29/2008, you wrote: The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to bring her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her sapyed. I believe they said they would do blood work at that time. After she tested positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her on interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea? Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I guess you have to trust your vet. I still have misgivings about it but will be getting my girl spayed also. I must confess I am very nervous about having it done. She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no cause for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do get her spayed. Why is your little one on interferon? Has she had routine blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok? There was a young leukemia positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was going to be spayed. So I don't know what the best thing to do is. I never had a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed everything went downhill rapidly after he was neutered. I'm just a little paranoid these days. Lynne - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kathy Dillard To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet said she seems very healthy. The vet said that cats that are not spayed have more problems with cancer. She has been in heat twice now and it does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time Lynne mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: STYLE Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kathy Dillard To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy [] Never miss a thing. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hsMake Yahoo your homepage. kathy [] Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=47522/*http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text4.comBlockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. kathy [] Special deal for Yahoo! users friends - http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=47521/*http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text3.comNo Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now
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No, I wish I had known my cat was positive a year ago and I would have put him on interferon then. By the time we did, it was way too late. Actually I gave the Interferon to the Clinic and it was going to be used for a healthy positive cat. I'm sure this will be of great benefit to your little girl. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to bring her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her sapyed. I believe they said they would do blood work at that time. After she tested positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her on interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea? Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I guess you have to trust your vet. I still have misgivings about it but will be getting my girl spayed also. I must confess I am very nervous about having it done. She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no cause for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do get her spayed. Why is your little one on interferon? Has she had routine blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok? There was a young leukemia positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was going to be spayed. So I don't know what the best thing to do is. I never had a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed everything went downhill rapidly after he was neutered. I'm just a little paranoid these days. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet said she seems very healthy. The vet said that cats that are not spayed have more problems with cancer. She has be en in heat twice now and it does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: STYLE Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat onl y and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. kathy -- Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. kathy -- Special deal for Yahoo! users friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now
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Isabella gets interferon 7 days on/7 days off. - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:51 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten No, I wish I had known my cat was positive a year ago and I would have put him on interferon then. By the time we did, it was way too late. Actually I gave the Interferon to the Clinic and it was going to be used for a healthy positive cat. I'm sure this will be of great benefit to your little girl. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to bring her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her sapyed. I believe they said they would do blood work at that time. After she tested positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her on interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea? Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I guess you have to trust your vet. I still have misgivings about it but will be getting my girl spayed also. I must confess I am very nervous about having it done. She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no cause for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do get her spayed. Why is your little one on interferon? Has she had routine blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok? There was a young leukemia positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was going to be spayed. So I don't know what the best thing to do is. I never had a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed everything went downhill rapidly after he was neutered. I'm just a little paranoid these days. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet said she seems very healthy. The vet said that cats that are not spayed have more problems with cancer. She has be en in heat twice now and it does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: STYLE Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat onl y and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. kathy Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. kathy Special deal for Yahoo! users friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now
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That was our plan too but he only had 2 shots and had to be put down because of complications with FIP and his leukemia. - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:59 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten Isabella gets interferon 7 days on/7 days off. - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:51 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten No, I wish I had known my cat was positive a year ago and I would have put him on interferon then. By the time we did, it was way too late. Actually I gave the Interferon to the Clinic and it was going to be used for a healthy positive cat. I'm sure this will be of great benefit to your little girl. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to bring her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her sapyed. I believe they said they would do blood work at that time. After she tested positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her on interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea? Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I guess you have to trust your vet. I still have misgivings about it but will be getting my girl spayed also. I must confess I am very nervous about having it done. She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no cause for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do get her spayed. Why is your little one on interferon? Has she had routine blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok? There was a young leukemia positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was going to be spayed. So I don't know what the best thing to do is. I never had a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed everything went downhill rapidly after he was neutered. I'm just a little paranoid these days. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet said she seems very healthy. The vet said that cats that are not spayed have more problems with cancer. She has be en in heat twice now and it does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: STYLE Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat onl y and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. kathy -- Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. kathy -- Special deal for Yahoo! users friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now
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I think there is one kind of interferon (cat rather than human) that is given daily and much more expensive. others may know more about that particular interferon. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:15 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten That was our plan too but he only had 2 shots and had to be put down because of complications with FIP and his leukemia. - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:59 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten Isabella gets interferon 7 days on/7 days off. - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:51 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten No, I wish I had known my cat was positive a year ago and I would have put him on interferon then. By the time we did, it was way too late. Actually I gave the Interferon to the Clinic and it was going to be used for a healthy positive cat. I'm sure this will be of great benefit to your little girl. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to bring her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her sapyed. I believe they said they would do blood work at that time. After she tested positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her on interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea? Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I guess you have to trust your vet. I still have misgivings about it but will be getting my girl spayed also. I must confess I am very nervous about having it done. She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no cause for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do get her spayed. Why is your little one on interferon? Has she had routine blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok? There was a young leukemia positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was going to be spayed. So I don't know what the best thing to do is. I never had a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed everything went downhill rapidly after he was neutered. I'm just a little paranoid these days. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet said she seems very healthy. The vet said that cats that are not spayed have more problems with cancer. She has be en in heat twice now and it does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: STYLE Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat onl y and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. kathy
