Re: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week
Goodnight, sweet Black Tom... =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.netmailto:dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week When you take the time to help, never blame yourself for what you did or did not do. You tried and that is morethan others did. You gave love. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.netmailto:ho...@sonic.net wrote: Kelley So sorry for the loss of Black Tom. Each cat is special and their life counts. It is so difficult to tell when to intervene sometimes. I hope his helper comes to see it is not her fault, and to appreciate the times they spent together. Peace. ~Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 7:26 AM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week His feeder is devastated. I am sure she blames herself for not taking him to the vet sooner. Thanks very much to those of you who offered him sanctuary. I can always depend on this list for help. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org/ http://www.rescuties.org/http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescutieshttp://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescutieshttp://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooperhttp://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week
I'm so sorry Kelley, as u know it's so hard to lose our sweet kitties. Blessings. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 7, 2011, at 11:03 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: When you take the time to help, never blame yourself for what you did or did not do. You tried and that is morethan others did. You gave love. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Kelley So sorry for the loss of Black Tom. Each cat is special and their life counts. It is so difficult to tell when to intervene sometimes. I hope his helper comes to see it is not her fault, and to appreciate the times they spent together. Peace. ~Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 7:26 AM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week His feeder is devastated. I am sure she blames herself for not taking him to the vet sooner. Thanks very much to those of you who offered him sanctuary. I can always depend on this list for help. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week
His feeder is devastated. I am sure she blames herself for not taking him to the vet sooner. Thanks very much to those of you who offered him sanctuary. I can always depend on this list for help. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week
So sorry to hear that! Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 10:26 AM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week His feeder is devastated. I am sure she blames herself for not taking him to the vet sooner. Thanks very much to those of you who offered him sanctuary. I can always depend on this list for help. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week
I'm so sorry. RIP Black Tom From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com To: felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 10:26 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week His feeder is devastated. I am sure she blames herself for not taking him to the vet sooner. Thanks very much to those of you who offered him sanctuary. I can always depend on this list for help. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week
So, so sorry, Kelley! - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:26 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week His feeder is devastated. I am sure she blames herself for not taking him to the vet sooner. Thanks very much to those of you who offered him sanctuary. I can always depend on this list for help. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week
I'm so sorry Kelley)-: Sent from my iPhone On Sep 6, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: His feeder is devastated. I am sure she blames herself for not taking him to the vet sooner. Thanks very much to those of you who offered him sanctuary. I can always depend on this list for help. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week
Kelley So sorry for the loss of Black Tom. Each cat is special and their life counts. It is so difficult to tell when to intervene sometimes. I hope his helper comes to see it is not her fault, and to appreciate the times they spent together. Peace. ~Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 7:26 AM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week His feeder is devastated. I am sure she blames herself for not taking him to the vet sooner. Thanks very much to those of you who offered him sanctuary. I can always depend on this list for help. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Black Tom Update
Black Tom, the cat for whom I was trying to find placement, now has 3 offers (thank you ALL who offered). Unfortunately he is not in a state yet where he can travel, and I don't know if he will be. I called the vet Saturday, and he was eating all his food, drinking and eliminating normally, which are all good signs, but they had not repeated bloodwork in a while to see what that is doing. When he was brought in, he had a rbc of *7%*. At any rate, he has been at the vets now for 2 weeks. I don't think the person who was feeding him (he was in a feral colony, but not feral) has a lot of money, so I wanted to see if we could start a fund to help defray his costs. I could start a chipin, or give you the vet's name and address if you would like to donate directly. If he makes it and the bill is covered completely, the remainder could go to the sanctuary who takes him as a donation, or if he does not make it any extra money could be returned or go to help other cats in need. I think he will be at the vet's office for at least several more weeks. Let me know what you think. Thank you all so much for being a GREAT FELV resource. I have been here for years now and yall have come through EVERY TIME I needed a placement for an FELV cat. You ROCK! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Black Tom Update
I have a black 9 week old that needs placing too... I'm in LA, California Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:08:01 To: felvtalkFelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Black Tom Update ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Black Tom Update
7%is bad, but I had count of 3.4% and made it back. Would it help him if you had him at your home. Cages in a vet's office are not the greatest place to be. It is like being in the hospital. The vet and techs cannot give him all the love he could get at home. Is he staying there because he could infect someone else or you are afraid someone else woul infect him? Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Black Tom, the cat for whom I was trying to find placement, now has 3 offers (thank you ALL who offered). Unfortunately he is not in a state yet where he can travel, and I don't know if he will be. I called the vet Saturday, and he was eating all his food, drinking and eliminating normally, which are all good signs, but they had not repeated bloodwork in a while to see what that is doing. When he was brought in, he had a rbc of *7%*. At any rate, he has been at the vets now for 2 weeks. I don't think the person who was feeding him (he was in a feral colony, but not feral) has a lot of money, so I wanted to see if we could start a fund to help defray his costs. I could start a chipin, or give you the vet's name and address if you would like to donate directly. If he makes it and the bill is covered completely, the remainder could go to the sanctuary who takes him as a donation, or if he does not make it any extra money could be returned or go to help other cats in need. I think he will be at the vet's office for at least several more weeks. Let me know what you think. Thank you all so much for being a GREAT FELV resource. I have been here for years now and yall have come through EVERY TIME I needed a placement for an FELV cat. You ROCK! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: felv cat \needs placement/Tom~Barbara
Barbara, My Fantasia had Felv since 1999 and I have eight other cats and I never keep them away from each other. They ate together and drank water out of the same bowls. Played together. All I did was get them tested and made sure they got there vaccines or titer tests. Hope you decide to keep him and let him show you how much he his greatful. Good luck Georgette-Original Message-From: Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Fri, 20 May 2005 16:51:53 -0400Subject: Re: felv cat \needs placement/Tom~Barbara Sounds like Tom not only chose you, but you're a goner anyway. LOL You're not fooling anyone! =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: Re: felv cat \needs placement/Tom~Barbara In a message dated 5/20/2005 7:56:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wonder if I would be doing the wrong thing by keeping him when I have 4 non-positive ones that are being exposed. By then are they really being exposed since we don't know that much about felv? Barbara, Seems to me that you just answered your own question. I've been following Tom's story since your first post. I'm a firm believer that it's a cat that "chooses" his person, NOT the person choosing a cat. Seems to me that Tom has chosen you, right from the very start! I think you know, deep in your heart what is best for Tom, and you! Hugs, Patti
Re: felv cat \needs placement/Tom~Barbara
Good for you! Gloria At 12:07 PM 5/21/2005, you wrote: Barbara, My Fantasia had Felv since 1999 and I have eight other cats and I never keep them away from each other. They ate together and drank water out of the same bowls. Played together. All I did was get them tested and made sure they got there vaccines or titer tests. Hope you decide to keep him and let him show you how much he his greatful. Good luck Georgette -Original Message- From: Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, 20 May 2005 16:51:53 -0400 Subject: Re: felv cat \needs placement/Tom~Barbara Sounds like Tom not only chose you, but you're a goner anyway. LOL You're not fooling anyone! =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/ My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/ My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: Re: felv cat \needs placement/Tom~Barbara In a message dated 5/20/2005 7:56:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wonder if I would be doing the wrong thing by keeping him when I have 4 non-positive ones that are being exposed. By then are they really being exposed since we don't know that much about felv? Barbara, Seems to me that you just answered your own question. I've been following Tom's story since your first post. I'm a firm believer that it's a cat that chooses his person, NOT the person choosing a cat. Seems to me that Tom has chosen you, right from the very start! I think you know, deep in your heart what is best for Tom, and you! Hugs, Patti []
Re: felv cat \needs placement/Tom~Barbara
In a message dated 5/20/2005 7:56:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wonder if I would be doing the wrong thing by keeping him when I have 4 non-positive ones that are being exposed. By then are they really being exposed since we don't know that much about felv? Barbara, Seems to me that you just answered your own question. I've been following Tom's story since your first post. I'm a firm believer that it's a cat that "chooses" his person, NOT the person choosing a cat. Seems to me that Tom has chosen you, right from the very start! I think you know, deep in your heart what is best for Tom, and you! Hugs, Patti
Re: felv cat \needs placement/Tom~Barbara
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I'm a firm believer that it's a cat that "chooses" his person, NOT the person choosing a cat. I have to laugh at the TRUTH of this. I placed my Coebeio THREE TIMES! She was an absolute MONSTER in each of those homes..."Come Get This Cat!" became the standard reply the day(s) following placement. Driving to the first placement, she reached her paw through the bars of the crate and held my finger.I almost kept her right then, but I really didn't have room or $$ to keep her. At that home...(a friendly aquaintance of mine from work) she found a small hole in the drywall...set about widening it, and crawled inside the wallShelia no long speaks to me. The second placement, she knocked down a Christmas Treewhich broke a new glass table and then preceeded to destroy all the crystal glass set out on the bar in the basement. The third placement, she totally shredded a handmade expensive area rug...in two nights! So I gave up and kept her. She is a very funny, weird, quirky, but nOT destructive cat. She's the best pet I never wanted! ;-) I love her dearly and she makes me laugh constantly. I think she just worked out WHAT would get her sent back and then went out of her way to do it. Sometimes...even if we aren't meant to keep the animal...we will get that "OH NO" feeling because the HOME just isn't the right one...or something about the person we are placing the animal with...even though she/he said all the right things...something triggers deep in our primative mind as a warning that THIS isn't the right home. (That's what happened to me when I first placed Anne's Simms...LUCKILY I followed through on that instinct and found Anne -or she found us...and she was/is the PERFECT person for Simms!) Trust your instincts! That's why we have them afterall! T__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: felv cat \needs placement/Tom~Barbara
Very well said! Yep, I think Tom has found the home he wants to stay in! In a message dated 5/20/2005 7:08:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I'm a firm believer that it's a cat that "chooses" his person, NOT the person choosing a cat. I have to laugh at the TRUTH of this. I placed my Coebeio THREE TIMES! She was an absolute MONSTER in each of those homes..."Come Get This Cat!" became the standard reply the day(s) following placement. Driving to the first placement, she reached her paw through the bars of the crate and held my finger.I almost kept her right then, but I really didn't have room or $$ to keep her. At that home...(a friendly aquaintance of mine from work) she found a small hole in the drywall...set about widening it, and crawled inside the wallShelia no long speaks to me. The second placement, she knocked down a Christmas Treewhich broke a new glass table and then preceeded to destroy all the crystal glass set out on the bar in the basement. The third placement, she totally shredded a handmade expensive area rug...in two nights! So I gave up and kept her. She is a very funny, weird, quirky, but nOT destructive cat. She's the best pet I never wanted! ;-) I love her dearly and she makes me laugh constantly. I think she just worked out WHAT would get her sent back and then went out of her way to do it. Sometimes...even if we aren't meant to keep the animal...we will get that "OH NO" feeling because the HOME just isn't the right one...or something about the person we are placing the animal with...even though she/he said all the right things...something triggers deep in our primative mind as a warning that THIS isn't the right home. (That's what happened to me when I first placed Anne's Simms...LUCKILY I followed through on that instinct and found Anne -or she found us...and she was/is the PERFECT person for Simms!) Trust your instincts! That's why we have them afterall! T Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYShttps://www.paypal.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttp://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescueClick Here to Join K9 and Puddy Xpress Yahoo http://groups.yahoo.com/group/K9andPuddyXpress/joinhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/Southern CA. Siamese Rescuehttp://cs.siameserescue.org/Northern CA. Siamese Rescuehttp://cn.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/ inline: aks.jpginline: logobuttonsq.jpg
Re: felv cat \needs placement/Tom~Barbara
In a message dated 5/20/2005 10:34:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have to laugh at the TRUTH of this Me too! When I was working at the (pink juice happy) vets office with the help of the ONLY compassionate vet at the practice, I "smuggled" two cats that were scheduled for euthanasia on 2 different occassions. Next morning it was "assumed" euthanasia had been carried out. They are 2 big, beautiful Maine Coons I decided to "foster" til I found suitable homes. As time dragged on they became so attatched to one another I decided they should be adopted out together, which is no easy feat. After they were here almost 6 months I did find (what I thought) a home for both. Not even 2 weeks later I get call to come down pick the boys up. They refused to eat, hid 24/7 under her claw foot tub, even urinating under there. They were overgrooming due to stress,resulting in large bald patches,and to top it off, THEY GOT FLEAS! And poor Cornelius is allergic to fleas, it had taken me month to get his skin coat cleared up! They made it quite clear, I was their "chosen" Mom. End of story. They are staying with "mom". Patti
Re: felv cat \needs placement/Tom~Barbara
In a message dated 5/20/2005 10:08:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Trust your instincts! That's why we have them afterall! It's interesting how we all have stories about how we were "chosen". I agree, trust your instincts, and follow your heart. Patti
Re: felv cat \needs placement/Tom~Barbara
Sounds like Tom not only chose you, but you're a goner anyway. LOL You're not fooling anyone! =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: Re: felv cat \needs placement/Tom~Barbara In a message dated 5/20/2005 7:56:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wonder if I would be doing the wrong thing by keeping him when I have 4 non-positive ones that are being exposed. By then are they really being exposed since we don't know that much about felv? Barbara, Seems to me that you just answered your own question. I've been following Tom's story since your first post. I'm a firm believer that it's a cat that "chooses" his person, NOT the person choosing a cat. Seems to me that Tom has chosen you, right from the very start! I think you know, deep in your heart what is best for Tom, and you! Hugs, Patti
Re: tom
Soon as I can get some one to hook up this new printer scanner I am going to send Tom's picture and a new ad on him. This computer doesn't seem to recognize the new printer for some reason. Tom is so sweet. He lays on the kitchen floor in the morning waits for you to give him some wet food. He has dry down Day night. Poor Samson he has had colon surgery when he was one year old. Then it has been on going to the vet with his mouth.A couple months ago he had to go to the emergency and be put on IV's spend the night. Then the next day we had to take him to our regularvet for a few days to be put on IV's. The vet said it was just something some cats get. He was one sick kitty. He is okay now. Barbaracatatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope you can find a home for him. I hope Samson gets better with his stomasititis as well. I haven't had to deal with that one yet. (knock on wood) But I have a couple who have 'bad teeth' and have had to have quite a few pulled even though they're relatively young. tonyaBarbara Baass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Tonya, Samson was tested before Tom came up. He is negative. He just turned three a couple weeks ago. the other three are also negative. Tom is the only positive. We have also been on the Stomastitis site. Kitties with that does seem to have felv, but Samson tested negative. I believe he had the Elisa test a couple years ago. Samson has on going problems with his mouth. I just had his teeth pulled a couple months ago, but he is still have problems. I will have to find Tom a home some how. We have too many kitties and we are gone a lot. Tom needs to get the attention that he deserves. Somebody always gets let out if you have too many. Bentley from next door has also moved his self in. He use to play footies with Samson under the fence when he was a baby. Bentley grew up and came over the fence. Him and Samson are like brothers. Bentley kind of gets left out too. Samson, Tasha Mitsy sleep in the bed, but there is not room for Tom or Bentley and i know they would like to sleep in bed too. I have turned down 4 people that answered my ad in the paper for Tom. They were not good people. I want Tom to go to a loving home. He is so sweet and lay ed back. He is very smart and wants to please you. He is a people kitty. He wants to be where you are. He is a very beautiful cat and a big hefty one. I just hope that I can find a home for him and a loving one. Barbaracatatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barbara, Has your cat with stomastitis been tested recently for leukemia? It's very common for positive cats. He may have already been positive before you brought Tom in.. I hope he is negative. tonyaBarbara Baass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, I am so sorry to hear about Jazz. I know exactly how you feel. I lost Princess to CRF 4 years ago and I was on that site. She was 17 and was my pride joy. You never get over them but after a long time it does become easier and know that Jazz will always be with you next to your heart and some day you will see her again and you both will be re-united. This is also a great site and a lot of support. As far as Tom was concern, I was told by another vet, not my vet, what had to be done and I kept putting it off. I couldn't bring myself to do it, even though I kept telling myself that it had to be done and for some reason I went to this FELV site to see what everyone would said about it. I know now that Tom deserves to be here. I will still at least try to find him a home if possible. I have a kitty that has Stomasstisis and his system is weak. He seems to get every little thing and the vet bills are on going. I don't know if he would get this from Tom or not, but I sure hope not. Tom is a great cat. I have 4 kitties already. Two were abused, one was running for his life from 30 turkeys when he was 5 weeks old. The other one just moved his self in from next door, as he Samson use to play paws under the fence when Bentley was a baby. Bentley grew up and came over the fence and just moved his self in. Again, I am so sorry for the loss of Jazz and know thatshe is there waiting for you. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello my beloved list,Thank you everyone for your kind words and sympathy. I have been a total wreck, but knowing you guys care, really helps. I'm walking around like a zombie, doing just what I have to do to keep the rest of the household going. I'm steeped in denial. I keep expecting her to walk around the corner with that fabulous tail of hers raised high in greeting. I don't know how that can be, we all try so hard to prepare ourselves, it was still so sudden and unexpected. Gracy is taking it hard too. And of course, there's the second guessing...I've been reading the posts about Tom and I have to say it gives me so much hope to hear how you folks have enlightened Barbara and given such a deserving cat a chance at life. (Jen, I know you are probably sorry about your outburst, but it made me feel so good to know
Re: tom
Yes, Tonya, Samson was tested before Tom came up. He is negative. He just turned three a couple weeks ago. the other three are also negative. Tom is the only positive. We have also been on the Stomastitis site. Kitties with that does seem to have felv, but Samson tested negative. I believe he had the Elisa test a couple years ago. Samson has on going problems with his mouth. I just had his teeth pulled a couple months ago, but he is still have problems. I will have to find Tom a home some how. We have too many kitties and we are gone a lot. Tom needs to get the attention that he deserves. Somebody always gets let out if you have too many. Bentley from next door has also moved his self in. He use to play footies with Samson under the fence when he was a baby. Bentley grew up and came over the fence. Him and Samson are like brothers. Bentley kind of gets left out too. Samson, Tasha Mitsy sleep in the bed, but there is not room for Tom or Bentley and i know they would like to sleep in bed too. I have turned down 4 people that answered my ad in the paper for Tom. They were not good people. I want Tom to go to a loving home. He is so sweet and lay ed back. He is very smart and wants to please you. He is a people kitty. He wants to be where you are. He is a very beautiful cat and a big hefty one. I just hope that I can find a home for him and a loving one. Barbaracatatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barbara, Has your cat with stomastitis been tested recently for leukemia? It's very common for positive cats. He may have already been positive before you brought Tom in.. I hope he is negative. tonyaBarbara Baass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, I am so sorry to hear about Jazz. I know exactly how you feel. I lost Princess to CRF 4 years ago and I was on that site. She was 17 and was my pride joy. You never get over them but after a long time it does become easier and know that Jazz will always be with you next to your heart and some day you will see her again and you both will be re-united. This is also a great site and a lot of support. As far as Tom was concern, I was told by another vet, not my vet, what had to be done and I kept putting it off. I couldn't bring myself to do it, even though I kept telling myself that it had to be done and for some reason I went to this FELV site to see what everyone would said about it. I know now that Tom deserves to be here. I will still at least try to find him a home if possible. I have a kitty that has Stomasstisis and his system is weak. He seems to get every little thing and the vet bills are on going. I don't know if he would get this from Tom or not, but I sure hope not. Tom is a great cat. I have 4 kitties already. Two were abused, one was running for his life from 30 turkeys when he was 5 weeks old. The other one just moved his self in from next door, as he Samson use to play paws under the fence when Bentley was a baby. Bentley grew up and came over the fence and just moved his self in. Again, I am so sorry for the loss of Jazz and know thatshe is there waiting for you. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello my beloved list,Thank you everyone for your kind words and sympathy. I have been a total wreck, but knowing you guys care, really helps. I'm walking around like a zombie, doing just what I have to do to keep the rest of the household going. I'm steeped in denial. I keep expecting her to walk around the corner with that fabulous tail of hers raised high in greeting. I don't know how that can be, we all try so hard to prepare ourselves, it was still so sudden and unexpected. Gracy is taking it hard too. And of course, there's the second guessing...I've been reading the posts about Tom and I have to say it gives me so much hope to hear how you folks have enlightened Barbara and given such a deserving cat a chance at life. (Jen, I know you are probably sorry about your outburst, but it made me feel so good to know that Jazz has stirred such emotion, thank you). I so hope Barbara decides to keep him. I can just imagine the tendrils of understanding spreading to everyone, one owner and one vet at a time. It's just inspiring.I didn't expect to be posting so soon, but I just had to tell you how much you guys mean to me. Nina Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
Re: tom
Barbara, When they pulled his teeth, did they remove the roots too? Many vets do not because it is a lot of work and if they don't the problem does not resolve. My positive Bailey went through the exact same thing last year, we tried everything. Acupunture, holistic, antibiotics, nothing worked, finally after about 8 or so months of nothing working we decided to pull his teeth, it was our last resort. Within a month his lymph nodes were back to normal breathe is nice and not smelly, no drooling and he is eating normal again (although he doens't eat dry food anymore), he has gained back the weight he lost and is obviously feeling better. He is on a very low dose of prenisolone every other day and is a happy camper again. My vet did leave the canines and the tiny insisors in between but these teeth don't seem to be bothering him, his gums are not red and inflamed anymore. We would have removed those too if he was still having a problem. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: tom
I hope you can find a home for him. I hope Samson gets better with his stomasititis as well. I haven't had to deal with that one yet. (knock on wood) But I have a couple who have 'bad teeth' and have had to have quite a few pulled even though they're relatively young. tonyaBarbara Baass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Tonya, Samson was tested before Tom came up. He is negative. He just turned three a couple weeks ago. the other three are also negative. Tom is the only positive. We have also been on the Stomastitis site. Kitties with that does seem to have felv, but Samson tested negative. I believe he had the Elisa test a couple years ago. Samson has on going problems with his mouth. I just had his teeth pulled a couple months ago, but he is still have problems. I will have to find Tom a home some how. We have too many kitties and we are gone a lot. Tom needs to get the attention that he deserves. Somebody always gets let out if you have too many. Bentley from next door has also moved his self in. He use to play footies with Samson under the fence when he was a baby. Bentley grew up and came over the fence. Him and Samson are like brothers. Bentley kind of gets left out too. Samson, Tasha Mitsy sleep in the bed, but there is not room for Tom or Bentley and i know they would like to sleep in bed too. I have turned down 4 people that answered my ad in the paper for Tom. They were not good people. I want Tom to go to a loving home. He is so sweet and lay ed back. He is very smart and wants to please you. He is a people kitty. He wants to be where you are. He is a very beautiful cat and a big hefty one. I just hope that I can find a home for him and a loving one. Barbaracatatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barbara, Has your cat with stomastitis been tested recently for leukemia? It's very common for positive cats. He may have already been positive before you brought Tom in.. I hope he is negative. tonyaBarbara Baass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, I am so sorry to hear about Jazz. I know exactly how you feel. I lost Princess to CRF 4 years ago and I was on that site. She was 17 and was my pride joy. You never get over them but after a long time it does become easier and know that Jazz will always be with you next to your heart and some day you will see her again and you both will be re-united. This is also a great site and a lot of support. As far as Tom was concern, I was told by another vet, not my vet, what had to be done and I kept putting it off. I couldn't bring myself to do it, even though I kept telling myself that it had to be done and for some reason I went to this FELV site to see what everyone would said about it. I know now that Tom deserves to be here. I will still at least try to find him a home if possible. I have a kitty that has Stomasstisis and his system is weak. He seems to get every little thing and the vet bills are on going. I don't know if he would get this from Tom or not, but I sure hope not. Tom is a great cat. I have 4 kitties already. Two were abused, one was running for his life from 30 turkeys when he was 5 weeks old. The other one just moved his self in from next door, as he Samson use to play paws under the fence when Bentley was a baby. Bentley grew up and came over the fence and just moved his self in. Again, I am so sorry for the loss of Jazz and know thatshe is there waiting for you. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello my beloved list,Thank you everyone for your kind words and sympathy. I have been a total wreck, but knowing you guys care, really helps. I'm walking around like a zombie, doing just what I have to do to keep the rest of the household going. I'm steeped in denial. I keep expecting her to walk around the corner with that fabulous tail of hers raised high in greeting. I don't know how that can be, we all try so hard to prepare ourselves, it was still so sudden and unexpected. Gracy is taking it hard too. And of course, there's the second guessing...I've been reading the posts about Tom and I have to say it gives me so much hope to hear how you folks have enlightened Barbara and given such a deserving cat a chance at life. (Jen, I know you are probably sorry about your outburst, but it made me feel so good to know that Jazz has stirred such emotion, thank you). I so hope Barbara decides to keep him. I can just imagine the tendrils of understanding spreading to everyone, one owner and one vet at a time. It's just inspiring.I didn't expect to be posting so soon, but I just had to tell you how much you guys mean to me. Nina Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
RE: TOM
Yes, I have had all kinds. Also good news. The other day at the Vet's the Doctor told me that he is seeing a lot less positive cats than he has seen in previous years.
Re: TOM
Hi again, I had one that lived 10+ yrs. They use to say that positive cats did not live past age 3yrs. You must remember that some cats that test positive could be carriers. I have had some die of things that go wth Old Age. I do hope that every one of mine that tests positive could be a carrier...but it does not work that way. I just take it one day at a time. The up side of rescuing positive cats is that you are blessed having a large number of cats go thru your life that you can give love to and that they are wanted.
Re: TOM - LONG!
Barbara, First, welcome to the list, aren't these people wonderful? Second, thank you for your love and efforts to save Tom, he sounds like such a wonderful cat. He chose wisely when he showed up at your door. Third, I haven't seen this addressed yet, so I thought I'd comment. You talk about Samson being sick all the time and your being worried about him getting FelV. You're right to be concerned, if Samson has a crummy immune system, his chances are greater than a healthy cat. But, didn't you say that your other four cats have been vaccinated previously? If that's the case, I don't think you have to worry (anymore than you're going to anyway). Tom is probably in much greater danger being exposed to Samson than the other way around! When FelV kitties are stressed, they are susceptible to disease that non-positives would easily fight off. I'm not sure what to suggest, my brain is really fried right now, but I just wanted you to be aware of this. Nina Barbara Baass wrote: *Brenda,* *I am amazed that your kittty is still around and that non of the others came up positive. I know now through all the messages that I have been receiving that I can not have tom put to sleep when he is perfectly healthly. I do worry about Samson. He is three and has Stomasstisis. He has on going problems and seeem to catch everything, so I will probably still try to find Tom a good loving home at least. I have turned down three people already. None were good people one wanted all the kitties I had and he wanted to pay me for them and have his agent pick them up. You really have to screen people, as there are a lot of bad ones.* *You really went through a lot of stress losing three of your so close toghther. It is a very hard thing just to lose one of them. I am so sorry for your loss.* *Thank you for the information. It is amazing that so many vets are mis-informed.* ** *Barbara* ** ** */Brenda K. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: *Barbara I have been on this list since 1997, and I mostly lurk in the last couple of years. In November, 1997, I live trapped an orange tabby male who had been hanging around our woods. I took him to my vet to be neutered and check for Feline Leukemia. She did the Elisa test and it came up positive. She estimated that he was at least 2 years old or older. He showed no signs of illness from the felv so had her send in an IFA test to the lab. The IFA came back positive showing that the virus was replicating in his bone marrow. At the time I knew only the veterinary thought process on feline Leukemia which was to euthanize right away to protect my other negative cats. Having a perfectly healthy appearing cat euthanized made no sense to me. I told my vet I was taking him back home so that he could live a love filled life for however long he would live. That was almost 7-1/2 years ago and he (Peri) is still here happy, healthy and loved. At first I kept him separated from my negative cats, but after joining this list right after I trapped him and learning so much about feline leukemia I introduced him into the rest of house. I had five negative cats at the time. In February, 2003, I lost my 17 year old cat, Fannie May, from Dialated Cardiomyopathy. On June 9, I lost my almost 17 year old cat, Suzy Q, to Pancreatic Cancer which had matastized throughout her body. Ten days later I lost my 16 year old diabetic cat, Little Boy. In October, 2004, I suddenly lost Mikey, 7 years old, from some type of liver disease. None of those kitties were feline leukemia positive when they died. I grieved so much from the 3 losses in 2003, that I couldn't adopt another cat right away. Finally, in May 2004, I adopted a beautiful felv- look alike Tortie Point Himalayan female named Baby Kitty. This past February, 2005, with the help of many wonderful animal lovers I adopted two feline leukemia positive cats from Georgia. Lovey is a 1 year old chocolate point Balinese and Merry is a Lynx Point Himalayan. I had them spayed and neutered before they left Georgia. If I had not adopted them they would have been euthanized by now. They were both positive on the Elisa and the IFA. They, too, show no signs of the disease and are already much loved members of our family. So, I have 3 felv+ cats and two felv- cats who groom each other, play, eat out of the same food and water dishes. I figured that all cats deserve a chance to have a forever loving home no matter how long they might live. I do give the positive cats 1 ml of Interferon daily, plus vitamin c. That is the newest protocol rather than 7 days on and 7 days off. I feed them Wellness dry food except for Peri who has struvite crystal problems and he gets Wysong Uretic dry. They all get treats of wet food
Re: TOM - LONG!
Thanks Nina, My room mate I have really been worried about Samson. All are up to date on their shots. Tom was given shots too, except for the felv one. My vet did it for free. His wife is with animal trustee. He was also worried about Samson. BarbaraNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barbara,First, welcome to the list, aren't these people wonderful? Second, thank you for your love and efforts to save Tom, he sounds like such a wonderful cat. He chose wisely when he showed up at your door. Third, I haven't seen this addressed yet, so I thought I'd comment. You talk about Samson being sick all the time and your being worried about him getting FelV. You're right to be concerned, if Samson has a crummy immune system, his chances are greater than a healthy cat. But, didn't you say that your other four cats have been vaccinated previously? If that's the case, I don't think you have to worry (anymore than you're going to anyway). Tom is probably in much greater danger being exposed to Samson than the other way around! When FelV kitties are stressed, they are susceptible to disease that non-positives would easily fight off. I'm not sure what to suggest, my brain is really fried right now, but I just wanted you to be aware of this.NinaBarbara Baass wrote: *Brenda,* *I am amazed that your kittty is still around and that non of the others came up positive. I know now through all the messages that I have been receiving that I can not have tom put to sleep when he is perfectly healthly. I do worry about Samson. He is three and has Stomasstisis. He has on going problems and seeem to catch everything, so I will probably still try to find Tom a good loving home at least. I have turned down three people already. None were good people one wanted all the kitties I had and he wanted to pay me for them and have his agent pick them up. You really have to screen people, as there are a lot of bad ones.* *You really went through a lot of stress losing three of your so close toghther. It is a very hard thing just to lose one of them. I am so sorry for your loss.* *Thank you for the information. It is amazing that so many vets are mis-informed.* ** *Barbara* ** ** */"Brenda K. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: *Barbara I have been on this list since 1997, and I mostly lurk in the last couple of years. In November, 1997, I live trapped an orange tabby male who had been hanging around our woods. I took him to my vet to be neutered and check for Feline Leukemia. She did the Elisa test and it came up positive. She estimated that he was at least 2 years old or older. He showed no signs of illness from the felv so had her send in an IFA test to the lab. The IFA came back positive showing that the virus was replicating in his bone marrow. At the time I knew only the veterinary thought process on feline Leukemia which was to euthanize right away to protect my other negative cats. Having a perfectly healthy appearing cat euthanized made no sense to me. I told my vet I was taking him back home so that he could live a love filled life for however long he would live. That was almost 7-1/2 years ago and he (Peri) is still here happy, healthy and loved. At first I kept him separated from my negative cats, but after joining this list right after I trapped him and learning so much about feline leukemia I introduced him into the rest of house. I had five negative cats at the time. In February, 2003, I lost my 17 year old cat, Fannie May, from Dialated Cardiomyopathy. On June 9, I lost my almost 17 year old cat, Suzy Q, to Pancreatic Cancer which had matastized throughout her body. Ten days later I lost my 16 year old diabetic cat, Little Boy. In October, 2004, I suddenly lost Mikey, 7 years old, from some type of liver disease. None of those kitties were feline leukemia positive when they died. I grieved so much from the 3 losses in 2003, that I couldn't adopt another cat right away. Finally, in May 2004, I adopted a beautiful felv- look alike Tortie Point Himalayan female named Baby Kitty. This past February, 2005, with the help of many wonderful animal lovers I adopted two feline leukemia positive cats from Georgia. Lovey is a 1 year old chocolate point Balinese and Merry is a Lynx Point Himalayan. I had them spayed and neutered before they left Georgia. If I had not adopted them they would have been euthanized by now. They were both positive on the Elisa and the IFA. They, too, show no signs of the disease and are already much loved members of our family. So, I have 3 felv+ cats and two felv- cats who groom each other, play, eat out of the same food and water dishes. I figured that all cats deserve a chance to have a forever loving home no matter how long they might live. I do give the positive cats 1 ml of Interferon daily, plus vitamin c. That is the newest protocol rather than 7 days on and 7 days off. I feed them Wellness dry food except for Peri who has struvite crystal problems and he gets W
tom
Barbara, Has your cat with stomastitis been tested recently for leukemia? It's very common for positive cats. He may have already been positive before you brought Tom in.. I hope he is negative. tonyaBarbara Baass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, I am so sorry to hear about Jazz. I know exactly how you feel. I lost Princess to CRF 4 years ago and I was on that site. She was 17 and was my pride joy. You never get over them but after a long time it does become easier and know that Jazz will always be with you next to your heart and some day you will see her again and you both will be re-united. This is also a great site and a lot of support. As far as Tom was concern, I was told by another vet, not my vet, what had to be done and I kept putting it off. I couldn't bring myself to do it, even though I kept telling myself that it had to be done and for some reason I went to this FELV site to see what everyone would said about it. I know now that Tom deserves to be here. I will still at least try to find him a home if possible. I have a kitty that has Stomasstisis and his system is weak. He seems to get every little thing and the vet bills are on going. I don't know if he would get this from Tom or not, but I sure hope not. Tom is a great cat. I have 4 kitties already. Two were abused, one was running for his life from 30 turkeys when he was 5 weeks old. The other one just moved his self in from next door, as he Samson use to play paws under the fence when Bentley was a baby. Bentley grew up and came over the fence and just moved his self in. Again, I am so sorry for the loss of Jazz and know thatshe is there waiting for you. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello my beloved list,Thank you everyone for your kind words and sympathy. I have been a total wreck, but knowing you guys care, really helps. I'm walking around like a zombie, doing just what I have to do to keep the rest of the household going. I'm steeped in denial. I keep expecting her to walk around the corner with that fabulous tail of hers raised high in greeting. I don't know how that can be, we all try so hard to prepare ourselves, it was still so sudden and unexpected. Gracy is taking it hard too. And of course, there's the second guessing...I've been reading the posts about Tom and I have to say it gives me so much hope to hear how you folks have enlightened Barbara and given such a deserving cat a chance at life. (Jen, I know you are probably sorry about your outburst, but it made me feel so good to know that Jazz has stirred such emotion, thank you). I so hope Barbara decides to keep him. I can just imagine the tendrils of understanding spreading to everyone, one owner and one vet at a time. It's just inspiring.I didn't expect to be posting so soon, but I just had to tell you how much you guys mean to me. Nina Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
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Brenda, I am amazed that your kittty is still around and that non of the others came up positive. I know now through all the messages that I have been receiving that I can not have tom put to sleep when he is perfectly healthly. I do worry about Samson. He is three and has Stomasstisis. He has on going problems and seeem to catch everything, so I will probably still try to find Tom a good loving home at least. I have turned down three people already. None were good people one wanted all the kitties I had and he wanted to pay me for them and have his agent pick them up. You really have to screen people, as there are a lot of bad ones. You really went through a lot of stress losing three of your so close toghther. It is a very hard thing just to lose one of them. I am so sorry for your loss. Thank you for the information. It is amazing that so many vets are mis-informed. Barbara "Brenda K. Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barbara I have been on this list since 1997, and I mostly lurk in the last couple of years. In November, 1997, I live trapped an orange tabby male who had been hanging around our woods. I took him to my vet to be neutered and check for Feline Leukemia. She did the Elisa test and it came up positive. She estimated that he was at least 2 years old or older. He showed no signs of illness from the felv so had her send in an IFA test to the lab. The IFA came back positive showing that the virus was replicating in his bone marrow. At the time I knew only the veterinary thought process on feline Leukemia which was to euthanize right away to protect my other negative cats. Having a perfectly healthy appearing cat euthanized made no sense to me. I told my vet I was taking him back home so that he could live a love filled life for however long he would live. That was almost 7-1/2 years ago and he (Peri) is still here happy, healthy and loved. At first I kept him separated from my negative cats, but after joining this list right after I trapped him and learning so much about feline leukemia I introduced him into the rest of house. I had five negative cats at the time. In February, 2003, I lost my 17 year old cat, Fannie May, from Dialated Cardiomyopathy. On June 9, I lost my almost 17 year old cat, Suzy Q, to Pancreatic Cancer which had matastized throughout her body. Ten days later I lost my 16 year old diabetic cat, Little Boy. In October, 2004, I suddenly lost Mikey, 7 years old, from some type of liver disease. None of those kitties were feline leukemia positive when they died. I grieved so much from the 3 losses in 2003, that I couldn't adopt another cat right away. Finally, in May 2004, I adopted a beautiful felv- look alike Tortie Point Himalayan female named Baby Kitty. This past February, 2005, with the help of many wonderful animal lovers I adopted two feline leukemia positive cats from Georgia. Lovey is a 1 year old chocolate point Balinese and Merry is a Lynx Point Himalayan. I had them spayed and neutered before they left Georgia. If I had not adopted them they would have been euthanized by now. They were both positive on the Elisa and the IFA. They, too, show no signs of the disease and are already much loved members of our family. So, I have 3 felv+ cats and two felv- cats who groom each other, play, eat out of the same food and water dishes. I figured that all cats deserve a chance to have a forever loving home no matter how long they might live. I do give the positive cats 1 ml of Interferon daily, plus vitamin c. That is the newest protocol rather than 7 days on and 7 days off. I feed them Wellness dry food except for Peri who has struvite crystal problems and he gets Wysong Uretic dry. They all get treats of wet food and small amounts of people food. When Peri was first diagnosed and after the IFA test came back positive, I called Dr. John Hardy the originator of the IFA test. I asked him how contagious feline leukemia was and he said, "When it dries, it dies." The virus is very fragile outside the host body and only lasts as long as it is wet. I keep my negative kitties uptodate on their vaccinations. All of my cats, negative and positive, get the FVRCP every two or three years. Also, the rabies vacc. every 3 or 4 years. According to my vet giving the cat vaccs. to my positive actually helps to build their immune systems. But, they don't get them all at once. It is spread out at least 2-3 weeks for each vaccination. My positives, of course, do not get the felv vaccination. Anyway, good luck with Tom. I hope you get to keep him and just love him for as long as he lives. He may not live a long live, but then again, he may.-- Brenda. http://www.whiskersandwicks.com http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith "The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here.No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-
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I too mix my positives and negatives. The negatives get vaccinated every year. and Yes, I have had a few that had it in their Bone Marrow. Matter of fact Taz had it in his marrow but that wasn't reason why he died. In a message dated 4/10/2005 4:25:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are kidding!!! That is really a positive thing to know, but did your have the serious kind that is in the bone marrow???Karolyn Lount [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have also been mixing my + - for 13yrs. and not one of mynegatives have become FeLF+ Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYShttps://www.paypal.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttp://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/ inline: aks.jpginline: logobuttonsq.jpg
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Barbara, Belinda's story is far from unique. I have a 7 year old who I had since a young kitten who tested neg at about 6-8 weeks of age who turned up positive last year. She, Tucson, has been an indoor only cat so I assume, as does vet, that she had virus all along. She's only had a couple of bouts with low white blood count is a real porko (17 1/2 lbs). Thing is that for all these years Tucson lived with 3 other cats who were never vaccinated for FELV. Two are younger than her and came in to my house as kittens. All shared food, litter box, toys, groomed each other, etc. When I found out Tucson was positive, I had them all tested they were neg. I had them vaccinated and they are all mixed. I will get them vaccinated every year (my vet won't vaccinate without testing as well) but if they didn't get it in all these years, chances are they won't now. I also have a 4-5 year old male, Big Boy, who I had been feeding every day outside for 2 + years before I brought him in. He was never sick a day I was floored when he tested positive. I think that my experience with Tucson taught me a lot about the testing of young kittens (which is when most cats are tested). Elisa test can be neg but if virus has somehow not spread yet, then it might not show up. This is what happened to Tucson. My original vet was very pessimistic about both Tucson's Big Boy's future but here we are almost 2 years later doing fine. My new vet has a lot more experience with FELV feels that no one can predict life expectancy. So saying that Tom only has a year a half is just wrong! Any vet who tells you that would also tell you that mixing is just impossible. It is a personal decision but please consider the experiences of some of the folks on this list who have mixed a lot longer than I have. To tell you the truth, I have this theory that a whole lot more adult cats than we think are FELV+--again, most cats get tested as kittens and never retested again so who's to say which are positive which are negatives. Its sometimes hard to find a vet who is really knowledgeable about this condition. Most will tell you to euthanize. While my vet may not have latest inteferon info, I do know he is the vet for a local rescuer for FELV kittens that she is very pleased with him. Maybe you should think about another opinion--just don't believe this nonsense that an adult FELV+ cat only has a year or so left! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 1:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: TOM Barbara, I don't know who told you that Tom only has a year and a half left but they don't have a clue what they are talking about. Is there a reason for saying something like that? I have 6 kitties, Baiiley is my positive, he found me at 5 months of age and all three vets I took him to after testing positive said to euthanize his, he willonly live three months at best ... well they obviously didn't know what they were talking about. Bailey is 20 years old this May, and very healthy. He's been positive all of his life (atleast since 5 months of age), and has not ever been sick other than a cold here and there and just last year we battled stomastisis (mouth and gum problems) and once we pulled his teeth he has completely recovered and the stomastisis is no longer a problem. All of my guys live together and have since I have had Bailey, NOBODY has ever gotten FeLV from him, I test and vaccinate all of my negatives every year, they just got vaccines about 3 weeks ago and I didn't even test because they ahve all lived together for almost 10 years and nobody is exhibiting any sypthoms and I figure the stress of drawing blood wasn't worth it, I really don't hink anyone will ever get it from Bailey, they are as close as they can possibly be and if they haven't gotten it in 10 years, chances are slim to none they ever will. They eat, sleep, groom and play together and yes occasionally somone gets scratched in play and nobody has every gotten it, it is not as easily transmitted as some very unknowledgable vets would lead you to believe. I just had to say this because I'm thinking you have been misinformed by someone. And if you got your information on the internet most websites on this are very outdated and incorrect. Chances of a healthy, vaccinated cat getting FeLV are almost non-existent, I say this from experience, my own and many others on this list. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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The minute that the IFA Elissa show positive, its in the bone marrow .. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Baass Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 7:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: TOM You are kidding!!! That is really a positive thing to know, but did your have the serious kind that is in the bone marrow??? Karolyn Lount [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have also been mixing my + - for 13yrs. and not one of my negatives have become FeLF+ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
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Barbara, If Tom has already been with your other cats IF there is to be any damage done it's probably already done. My first positive cat lived with 12 others about 6 months before I knew she was positive. At that time I didn't bother to separate. She lived about 7 years and wasn't separated even when she became sick and I lost her. In the meantime I brought in a new positive who is now about 6 years old. None of my negatives have ever tested positive after living with the 2 negatives. Over the years I have lost several of my negatives due to various illnesses, and even though they were sick they still never contracted the felv. In fact I have an older negative cat who is losing weight and we're trying to find what's wrong with him right now. I had him retested (just in case) with an IFA last week, and he's still negative. Also, unless your 4 negative cats have never been exposed to any unknown cats and you know the status of their parents, they could be harboring the virus anyway and you just don't know it yet. Sometimes people have cats turn up positive late in life when they have never left the house, etc. If you want to keep Tom I feel your other cats are safe from exposure to him if they haven't contracted it yet, and as long as they are vaccinated. tonyaBarbara Baass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tad, You just don't know how all that has put my mind at ease. I have been so worried about Tom that I was unable to sleep at night. I was going on only what my vet told me until I got on this site a couple days ago. I have heard so many positive things about felve cats. He is such a great cat thathe is really something.Thank you again.Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Much of the time kittend arn't tested until they become sick and normal antibiotics don't work as expected...At this point the death rate is high...but many cats are positive but becouse they arn't tested they don't get put into the statistics...Thus keeping an FeLV+ cat really isn't as bad as vets often say... If a cat is kept healthy and low stress their own imune systems will keep them out of trouble...This is true for both POS and NEG cats...My vet explained that ethicaly he is required to tell me that keeping an FeLV+ is not safe for the rest of my cats...but neather is eating and breathingHe told me that he has seen several FeLV+ that have come in sick and then tested ...They have been living with other cats but he doesn't recal a case where other cats from the same group got sick...It seems to be stray cats that live a bad life for a period of time that are contacting the disease...From my own observations..the average age may be 3 years but I think that if a cat is healthy and made it past 1 year he is in the group that lives for many more years...Many die between 6 months and 1 year which brings the average age way down but once he has made it past that window I think you have to look at a differant set of numbersI have now lost 4 under a year and I have one old girl that was in terable shape (a declawed stray) when I got her but with good food and fea meds and a couple years time she is doing well..My vet thinks she is over 12 years oldTadBelinda Sauro wrote: Barbara, Did you see my post about my typo, Bailey is 10, not 20. But he has been positive since atleast 5 months of age when I found him, at the time I wasin Missouri and took him to three different vet, all 3 said "You might as well euthanize him, he will be dead in three months. I had some experience with FeLV and already knew this wasn't true, but can you imagine how many healthy cats die because people take thier vets word as absolute and blindly do as they are advised?? Any cat that is positive and asymptomatic for as long as Bailey is classified as a carrier and the virus is most likely in the bone marrow. I don't fool myself I know sat anytime he could become symptomatic and get sick. One of the most important things is keeping the stress down, stress is a well known trigger of setting the virus off. Another thing and I can't speak about your vet, but it ahs been my experience the vets that have been practicing for a longer time are less experienced in the virus because they do not go to continuing education conferences to learn the newest updates about all diseases. My now vet is very young and has been practicing for only about 6 or 7 years. About 3 times a year she goes for a week or so at a time to conferences about the newest findings on many different diseases and she also goes to conferences to learn new treatment options. She is learning acupunture and holistic medicine as well as traditional medicine. She will someday be a very well rounded vet, and on top of all that to help keep my kitties stress down, she comes to the house for anything that doesn't absolutely need to be done at the office on her day off!! They get their vaccines at home and blood draws for blood tests at home. And yes if I find something on the internet I think has
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You are kidding!!! That is really a positive thing to know, but did your have the serious kind that is in the bone marrow???Karolyn Lount [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have also been mixing my + - for 13yrs. and not one of mynegatives have become FeLF+ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
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Belinda, It was my Vet of 40 years that told me that. Tom had the IFA test. That is the one where it is in the bone marrow. He said they usually live about three years and Tom is about a year a half. Did you have the IFA test? If so, I am amazed that Bailey is 20. I am also surprised that none of your other kitties got it. I was told that they would.Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barbara,I don't know who told you that Tom only has a year and a half left but they don't have a clue what they are talking about. Is there a reason for saying something like that? I have 6 kitties, Baiiley is my positive, he found me at 5 months of age and all three vets I took him to after testing positive said to euthanize his, he willonly live three months at best ... well they obviously didn't know what they were talking about. Bailey is 20 years old this May, and very healthy. He's been positive all of his life (atleast since 5 months of age), and has not ever been sick other than a cold here and there and just last year we battled stomastisis (mouth and gum problems) and once we pulled his teeth he has completely recovered and the stomastisis is no longer a problem.All of my guys live together and have since I have had Bailey, NOBODY has ever gotten FeLV from him, I test and vaccinate all of my negatives every year, they just got vaccines about 3 weeks ago and I didn't even test because they ahve all lived together for almost 10 years and nobody is exhibiting any sypthoms and I figure the stress of drawing blood wasn't worth it, I really don't hink anyone will ever get it from Bailey, they are as close as they can possibly be and if they haven't gotten it in 10 years, chances are slim to none they ever will.They eat, sleep, groom and play together and yes occasionally somone gets scratched in play and nobody has every gotten it, it is not as easily transmitted as some very unknowledgable vets would lead you to believe.I just had to say this because I'm thinking you have been misinformed by someone. And if you got your information on the internet most websites on this are very outdated and incorrect. Chances of a healthy, vaccinated cat getting FeLV are almost non-existent, I say this from experience, my own and many others on this list.-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
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Kathy, Do you think that that your sweet stray gave your kitty the Felv? I have been working like crazy to find Tom a home, putting up posters and even calling sanctuary's out of state. I can't seem to bring myself to haveTom put to sleep. He is so sweet wants to please you in ever way that he can. I put a $45 ad in the paper and got two response, but these people don't sound like someone I want to give Tom to. One her kitty was shot with a pellet gun someone kicked him and his guts were clear up at the top she said. He was only a year old. The surgery was going to cost her $1,500, so she had him put to sleep and she said she would have to buy Tom cheap food. I told her he needed to eat quality food. The other people live in an Apt. and said that Tom could stay out side, as there were a lot of cats around there. These do not sound like ideal homes to me.Kathy Koutsis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barbara, Nearly a year ago I ran across the same predicament. Found a SWEET stray and took her in. She tested felv positive and I already had a 10 year old negative. I was so concerned for my 10 year old but I also had compassion for the felv+ cat (Meowser). Putting her to sleep was NEVER an option for me. I worked HARD to try to place her in a home. I put flyers out but nobody responded. I called numerous shelters and did research on the web. I finally found a sanctuary type no-kill sheter that takes in felv+ kitties. I drove over two hours away to get her there. I still keep in touch with the woman that runs the shelter and often give donations. So, please don't give up and do all you can to find Tom a home! By the way, a few months later I found out that my 10 year old is FELV+! We never even knew! Your other cats could have it and you'd never know. But Killian is now 11. What a shame if she had been tested years ago and put to sleep! She's a healthy, happy, energetic, loveable cat! What a waste it would have been. Kathy[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to findTom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep.I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler. Barbara Baass 835-2484__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Gloria, Tom is a year a half. He is a beautiful cat. I have been trying like crazy to find him a home. I put two ads in the paper. first one was no response. The second was was a $45 ad. Two response, but they did not sound like ideal homes for Tom. I am not giving him up to just any body and I just can't bring myself to have him put to sleep like one vet said to do. He is so sweet wants to please you in every way that he can. I have put up posters and even contacted people from other states. I have tried San Antonio, Dallas Houston. Do you have any other ideals? I just hope none of my other kitties get this. Tom has the serious type. They said it is in the bone marrow and he has about three years to live. He had the IFA test."Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Barbara, Welcome to the list - sorry if it's a rocky beginning.How old is he?I would think, in Austin, you might be able to find an FELV home, either singly or with others FELV cats. However, please be aware that the virus is not a very hearty, and lots of veterinarians have different attitudes (and knowledge) about FELV. You're lucky that your vet isn't one that euthanizes immediately.However, the virus is not considered that contagious; it dies farely rapidly on contact with the air. (Unlike those URI viruses). So at least for the time you have Tom, he's not that much of a risk for your kitties.Although your vet is following the "party line", many of us do mix our positives with our negatives, if simply because the virus is so fragile, not that contagious, and there's a lot not known about it. Many also use daily interferon to keep the virus in check.You might try some rescues in or around Austin, in Nacogdoches, San Antonio, Dallas, etc. If you want some suggestions for those let me know and I'll look some up.Gloriain Little Rock (with 2 FELV positives, and 3 FELV angels at the Bridge)At 07:48 PM 4/9/2005, you wrote:Tad,I had two test done for felv. The second was the IFA. I live in Austin, Texas and my area code is 512-835-2484. I think that I need to re-write this ad. I did not give enough information.Tom came up a couple months ago crying crying going from house to house. He was hungry lonely. I felt sorry for him and started feeding him and letting him come in to sleep. I took him down and got all of his shots and he tested positive for felv. He is one a half year old and is a very handsome cat. He weighs almost 13 pounds. He is a big boy. He is gray white. He is very aweet lovable. He is people oriented has a great disposition. He really wants to please you and he is so smart.I will re-do his ad tomorrow and put a picture of him on it. He is a beautiful cat. My vet said that I can't keep him because I have 4 non-positive cats and Tom must be placed with another of his own kind or by his self.Barbara BaassTad Burnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Barbara It would help a lot if you would give us a little more information about Tom...Where did he come from...How did you discover he is FeLV+...How old is he...Does he get along with other cats..Is he people friendly...There isn't a great line of people waiting to take FeLV+ kitties...You will need to convinse us that we want to save him...And what part of the world is he in.??? This list is world wideTad<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I need to find Tom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep. I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler.Barbara Baass835-2484No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Michelle, I have contacted a number of out of state sanctuaries. They are all full. I am still trying. will contact a few more. thanks for the info. tom has been in contact with my others. It is impossible to keep all of them apart and I don't have the heart to make him different from the rest any how. Tom had ther serious felv. He had the IFA test. My vet said when they have that they live about 3 years.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barbara, You have no idea how long Tom has, and neither does anyone else. There are people on this list who have had FeLV+ cats live to over 10 years old. It is rare but it does happen. I have one whose age I don't want to say because I am superstitious and do not want to jinx her, but she is probably older than you are thinking Tom will live to be. Also, cats do not die of FeLV. FeLV is like HIV-- it is a virus that diminishes the immune system and makes the cat more vulnerable to other conditions like lymphoma and URI's and certain kinds of anemia. So you have no idea how he will die when he dies, or when that will be. As far as your negatives go, if you keep them separated they are safe. I have a negative and 4 positives and keep them in separate areas. The current wisdom on FeLV is that it does not survive longer than a few moments in the air, and that cats have to share water, litter, and food for a while before catching it from each other (before they manage to come into contact with virus before it has died in air, which is more likely to happen in a wet substance) or fight. Most people on this list even mix positives and negatives, just making sure the negatives get the FeLV vaccine every year. I do not do that because I feel like it is taking a chance, but even that is just a small chance and there seems to have been very little disease spread that way. So if you keep them separate, it should be fine. If they are already in close contact and have been for a while, chances are that those who would contract it already have. Finally, I learned from someone recently that there is a cat sanctuary in Arizona that is exclusively for FeLV+ cats. I never tried to find it, but I assume you can find it on the web if you look. If you can't, I would contact Marley's Fund, which is such a group in NC and has a web page, and ask them if they know of it. Or contact Best Friends in Utah and ask them if they know about it or of anywhere else in the southwest that you can find him a home, if you are not willing to keep him. Michelle In a message dated 4/9/05 8:34:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know how you feel Jen, I am very sorry. I keep saying that I am going to put Tom down and then I find my self making the time longer. My other kitties will get this and Tom has already over stayed. He only has about another year a half if even that and I keep thinking that I might be doing him a favor. Felv is a painful death to have to go through. I love Tom to death and I don't know what to do because of my other cats that are non-positive. Barbara __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Nice to know you live in Houston Jen.Jen Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh! By the way, welcome to the list (although it is a bittersweet "hello!") from a fellow Texan (I live in Houston)! :) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara BaassSent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 7:34 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: TOM I know how you feel Jen, I am very sorry. I keep saying that I am going to put Tom down and then I find my self making the time longer. My other kitties will get this and Tom has already over stayed. He only has about another year a half if even that and I keep thinking that I might be doing him a favor. Felv is a painful death to have to go through. I love Tom to death and I don't know what to do because of my other cats that are non-positive. BarbaraJen Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, am I being overly sensitive here, but after being on this list for sometime and sharing the tears of those who have fought to the very end for their babies lives...it's posts like these that really tap into a deep-seated resentment of some kind...I know you mean well, Barbara, and perhaps it's just bad timing after reading Nina's post about Jazz (I'm crying my eyeballs out)...but to read that someone would willingly put down a perfectly healthy FeLV baby like this...I don't know, maybe I should take a break...I really feel like I'm losing it sometimes! :( Jen -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:48 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: TOM I need to findTom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep.I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler. Barbara Baass 835-2484 Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
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Jen, No problem. No Tom is not separated from the rest. I don't have the heart to make him different from the rest. the rest have all had their shots up to date. One has stomasstisis and has all his teeth pulled and it is still there. If any one, Sampson would be the one that I would suspect to get the felv virus first, but I hope not. Sampson is three, Bentley is 2, Tasha is 5 and Mitsy is 9. Did you have FIA test done? I will try the Marley Fund site that you gave me. Thanks. I have been trying like crazy every body I can come up with. I put an ad in the paper and got two response, but they did not sound like ideal homes for Tom. I am not giving him up to just any body. He is such a great cat and so sweet.He wants to please you in every way that he can. Thanks for all the information Jen. I appreciate it. Jen Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Barbara--I just wanted to apologize for my outburst! Thank you for being so kind (to me as well as Tom)...Now that I'm thinking a little more rationally... ;) Do you have Tom separated from your other cats? I'm assuming you probably already do...the FeLV virus is actually a very fragile virus that dies pretty quickly outside of its host. If he's separated, your other cats have a near0 chance of catching it (especially if they are healthy, vaccinated adult cats...even if not vaccinated, they stand an excellent chance of never catching it). But I can absolutely understand not wanting to take the risk with your resident cats...I actually mix my positive cats with my negative cats (the negatives ARE vaccinated) and have never had a negative turn up positive! I know there ain't much room at most FeLV kitty inns...but have you tried Joy Eubanks at the Marley Fund? You can contact her through her website www.marleyfund.com. I'd suggest Best Friends, but I don't think anyone's been able to get an FeLV cat in there yet...they're at maximum capacity! Give Tom a big hug from me...and don't be too persuaded by the statistics that your vet may be giving you about the life spans of FeLV cats! Most cats don't die of the virus itself, rather, they succumb to conditions that take advantage of their compromised immunes systems (cancer is the first thing that comes to mind). Take care and please let us know if you have any questions at all about FeLV! Jen -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara BaassSent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 7:34 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: TOM I know how you feel Jen, I am very sorry. I keep saying that I am going to put Tom down and then I find my self making the time longer. My other kitties will get this and Tom has already over stayed. He only has about another year a half if even that and I keep thinking that I might be doing him a favor. Felv is a painful death to have to go through. I love Tom to death and I don't know what to do because of my other cats that are non-positive. BarbaraJen Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, am I being overly sensitive here, but after being on this list for sometime and sharing the tears of those who have fought to the very end for their babies lives...it's posts like these that really tap into a deep-seated resentment of some kind...I know you mean well, Barbara, and perhaps it's just bad timing after reading Nina's post about Jazz (I'm crying my eyeballs out)...but to read that someone would willingly put down a perfectly healthy FeLV baby like this...I don't know, maybe I should take a break...I really feel like I'm losing it sometimes! :( Jen -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:48 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: TOM I need to findTom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep.I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler. Barbara Baass 835-2484 Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
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Barbara, If they are already living together there is especially no reason to find Tom a home, your cats have already been exposed. Like I said if they have all been vaccinated and are in decent health, there is little to no chance they will become infected. I won't go as far as to say there is absolutely no chance but the chances are very slim. Joey, Bailey's best buddy has had the PCR test (DNA), because he would be the most likely to become positive, him and Bailey wrestled and play the most and he is still negative. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Much of the time kittend arn't tested until they become sick and normal antibiotics don't work as expected...At this point the death rate is high...but many cats are positive but becouse they arn't tested they don't get put into the statistics...Thus keeping an FeLV+ cat really isn't as bad as vets often say... If a cat is kept healthy and low stress their own imune systems will keep them out of trouble...This is true for both POS and NEG cats... My vet explained that ethicaly he is required to tell me that keeping an FeLV+ is not safe for the rest of my cats...but neather is eating and breathing He told me that he has seen several FeLV+ that have come in sick and then tested ...They have been living with other cats but he doesn't recal a case where other cats from the same group got sick... It seems to be stray cats that live a bad life for a period of time that are contacting the disease... >From my own observations..the average age may be 3 years but I think that if a cat is healthy and made it past 1 year he is in the group that lives for many more years...Many die between 6 months and 1 year which brings the average age way down but once he has made it past that window I think you have to look at a differant set of numbers I have now lost 4 under a year and I have one old girl that was in terable shape (a declawed stray) when I got her but with good food and fea meds and a couple years time she is doing well..My vet thinks she is over 12 years old Tad Belinda Sauro wrote: Barbara, Did you see my post about my typo, Bailey is 10, not 20. But he has been positive since atleast 5 months of age when I found him, at the time I wasin Missouri and took him to three different vet, all 3 said "You might as well euthanize him, he will be dead in three months. I had some experience with FeLV and already knew this wasn't true, but can you imagine how many healthy cats die because people take thier vets word as absolute and blindly do as they are advised?? Any cat that is positive and asymptomatic for as long as Bailey is classified as a carrier and the virus is most likely in the bone marrow. I don't fool myself I know sat anytime he could become symptomatic and get sick. One of the most important things is keeping the stress down, stress is a well known trigger of setting the virus off. Another thing and I can't speak about your vet, but it ahs been my experience the vets that have been practicing for a longer time are less experienced in the virus because they do not go to continuing education conferences to learn the newest updates about all diseases. My now vet is very young and has been practicing for only about 6 or 7 years. About 3 times a year she goes for a week or so at a time to conferences about the newest findings on many different diseases and she also goes to conferences to learn new treatment options. She is learning acupunture and holistic medicine as well as traditional medicine. She will someday be a very well rounded vet, and on top of all that to help keep my kitties stress down, she comes to the house for anything that doesn't absolutely need to be done at the office on her day off!! They get their vaccines at home and blood draws for blood tests at home. And yes if I find something on the internet I think has merit I tell her about and she will research it for me. She allows me to bring them in right before any procedures instead of dropping them off in the morning and leaving them there all day, this is very stressful for cats especially. And I wait and take them home as soon after the procedure as it is safe. She is a gem and if she ever moves, I'll have to pull up stakes and follow her :)) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005
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Barbara, I have several Felv cats, some as old as 14 yrs. One of my kitties 12 yrs was diagnosed with the bad kind in the bone marrow. He is happy and healthy and a joy to have in my life. The babies are so glad to have a home and people to love them that they just give you there best. Maybe your vet is not up on all the new research with Felv. I know they can live long happy lives if given the chance. The ones that don't make it that long pack a lot of living in the time they have, and every minute I have with them is precious. Besides there is no guarantee that any of our babies want develop some life threatening problems. Good Luck with finding him a home that will understand and cherish him. Sheila inline: Clouds.jpg
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Thanks Shelia, I am happy that your kitties lived a long life with the felv in the bone marrow. I am really amazed. I hope pray that Tom will have a long happy life.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barbara, I have several Felv cats, some as old as 14 yrs. One of my kitties 12 yrs was diagnosed with the bad kind in the bone marrow. He is happy and healthy and a joy to have in my life. The babies are so glad to have a home and people to love them that they just give you there best. Maybe your vet is not up on all the new research with Felv. I know they can live long happy lives if given the chance. The ones that don't make it that long pack a lot of living in the time they have, and every minute I have with them is precious. Besides there is no guarantee that any of our babies want develop some life threatening problems. Good Luck with finding him a home that will understand and cherish him. Sheila Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
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Tad, You just don't know how all that has put my mind at ease. I have been so worried about Tom that I was unable to sleep at night. I was going on only what my vet told me until I got on this site a couple days ago. I have heard so many positive things about felve cats. He is such a great cat thathe is really something.Thank you again.Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Much of the time kittend arn't tested until they become sick and normal antibiotics don't work as expected...At this point the death rate is high...but many cats are positive but becouse they arn't tested they don't get put into the statistics...Thus keeping an FeLV+ cat really isn't as bad as vets often say... If a cat is kept healthy and low stress their own imune systems will keep them out of trouble...This is true for both POS and NEG cats...My vet explained that ethicaly he is required to tell me that keeping an FeLV+ is not safe for the rest of my cats...but neather is eating and breathingHe told me that he has seen several FeLV+ that have come in sick and then tested ...They have been living with other cats but he doesn't recal a case where other cats from the same group got sick...It seems to be stray cats that live a bad life for a period of time that are contacting the disease...From my own observations..the average age may be 3 years but I think that if a cat is healthy and made it past 1 year he is in the group that lives for many more years...Many die between 6 months and 1 year which brings the average age way down but once he has made it past that window I think you have to look at a differant set of numbersI have now lost 4 under a year and I have one old girl that was in terable shape (a declawed stray) when I got her but with good food and fea meds and a couple years time she is doing well..My vet thinks she is over 12 years oldTadBelinda Sauro wrote: Barbara, Did you see my post about my typo, Bailey is 10, not 20. But he has been positive since atleast 5 months of age when I found him, at the time I wasin Missouri and took him to three different vet, all 3 said "You might as well euthanize him, he will be dead in three months. I had some experience with FeLV and already knew this wasn't true, but can you imagine how many healthy cats die because people take thier vets word as absolute and blindly do as they are advised?? Any cat that is positive and asymptomatic for as long as Bailey is classified as a carrier and the virus is most likely in the bone marrow. I don't fool myself I know sat anytime he could become symptomatic and get sick. One of the most important things is keeping the stress down, stress is a well known trigger of setting the virus off. Another thing and I can't speak about your vet, but it ahs been my experience the vets that have been practicing for a longer time are less experienced in the virus because they do not go to continuing education conferences to learn the newest updates about all diseases. My now vet is very young and has been practicing for only about 6 or 7 years. About 3 times a year she goes for a week or so at a time to conferences about the newest findings on many different diseases and she also goes to conferences to learn new treatment options. She is learning acupunture and holistic medicine as well as traditional medicine. She will someday be a very well rounded vet, and on top of all that to help keep my kitties stress down, she comes to the house for anything that doesn't absolutely need to be done at the office on her day off!! They get their vaccines at home and blood draws for blood tests at home. And yes if I find something on the internet I think has merit I tell her about and she will research it for me. She allows me to bring them in right before any procedures instead of dropping them off in the morning and leaving them there all day, this is very stressful for cats especially. And I wait and take them home as soon after the procedure as it is safe. She is a gem and if she ever moves, I'll have to pull up stakes and follow her :)) No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005 Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
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I doubt if your other kitties will get it. Like I said, I use daily interferon on my guys. I've also just ordered some vitamins from Dr. Belfield, and am going to religiously try his method. He says he's had cats go negative taking his Vitamin mix. Thought I'd give it to my FELV and my FIV kitties. We'll see. Gloria At 06:55 AM 4/10/2005, you wrote: Gloria, Tom is a year a half. He is a beautiful cat. I have been trying like crazy to find him a home. I put two ads in the paper. first one was no response. The second was was a $45 ad. Two response, but they did not sound like ideal homes for Tom. I am not giving him up to just any body and I just can't bring myself to have him put to sleep like one vet said to do. He is so sweet wants to please you in every way that he can. I have put up posters and even contacted people from other states. I have tried San Antonio, Dallas Houston. Do you have any other ideals? I just hope none of my other kitties get this. Tom has the serious type. They said it is in the bone marrow and he has about three years to live. He had the IFA test. Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Barbara, Welcome to the list - sorry if it's a rocky beginning. How old is he? I would think, in Austin, you might be able to find an FELV home, either singly or with others FELV cats. However, please be aware that the virus is not a very hearty, and lots of veterinarians have different attitudes (and knowledge) about FELV. You're lucky that your vet isn't one that euthanizes immediately. However, the virus is not considered that contagious; it dies farely rapidly on contact with the air. (Unlike those URI viruses). So at least for the time you have Tom, he's not that much of a risk for your kitties. Although your vet is following the party line, many of us do mix our positives with our negatives, if simply because the virus is so fragile, not that contagious, and there's a lot not known about it. Many also use daily interferon to keep the virus in check. You might try some rescues in or around Austin, in Nacogdoches, San Antonio, Dallas, etc. If you want some suggestions for those let me know and I'll look some up. Gloria in Little Rock (with 2 FELV positives, and 3 FELV angels at the Bridge) At 07:48 PM 4/9/2005, you wrote: Tad, I had two test done for felv. The second was the IFA. I live in Austin, Texas and my area code is 512-835-2484. I think that I need to re-write this ad. I did not give enough information. Tom came up a couple months ago crying crying going from house to house. He was hungry lonely. I felt sorry for him and started feeding him and letting him come in to sleep. I took him down and got all of his shots and he tested positive for felv. He is one a half year old and is a very handsome cat. He weighs almost 13 pounds. He is a big boy. He is gray white. He is very aweet lovable. He is people oriented has a great disposition. He really wants to please you and he is so smart. I will re-do his ad tomorrow and put a picture of him on it. He is a beautiful cat. My vet said that I can't keep him because I have 4 non-positive cats and Tom must be placed with another of his own kind or by his self. Barbara Baass Tad Burnett wrote: Barbara It would help a lot if you would give us a little more information about Tom... Where did he come from...How did you discover he is FeLV+... How old is he...Does he get along with other cats..Is he people friendly... There isn't a great line of people waiting to take FeLV+ kitties... You will need to convinse us that we want to save him... And what part of the world is he in.??? This list is world wide Tad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to find Tom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep. I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler. Barbara Baass 835-2484 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005 Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Barbara, You should not take away from all this that most positive cats live until 10 or 12 without any problems. I think the majority on this list have died before 4 years old, probably. But the point is you just don't know. I lost one at 18 months, one at 3, one at just under 5, and I have two who are about 4 right now and one who is about 6 (knock on wood a thousand times-- I get scared even writing it that I will jinx them, especially the 6 year old!). It varies a lot. It is really important to keep them as stress-free as possible, to feed them good food, and to give them immune support supplements (I give mine some mixed in gerbers chicken baby food every morning-- there are all different kinds and there is tons in our archives about it and i think someone made up a little primer on it too). When they do get very sick, there are things that can be done which have helped some of the cats on this list when no one thought there was any hope, and then sometimes nothing works. The point again being that you just don't know-- you don't know, your vet doesn't know, we don't know, and Tom doesn't know. It's one day at a time with these babies. The most important thing is to give them a chance. Thanks for doing all you have done for Tom, and I am glad you found this group, Michelle
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Thanks Michelle. I am glad that I fould this group too. It puts a whole different light on things. Tom does deserve a chance.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barbara, You should not take away from all this that most positive cats live until 10 or 12 without any problems. I think the majority on this list have died before 4 years old, probably. But the point is you just don't know. I lost one at 18 months, one at 3, one at just under 5, and I have two who are about 4 right now and one who is about 6 (knock on wood a thousand times-- I get scared even writing it that I will jinx them, especially the 6 year old!). It varies a lot. It is really important to keep them as stress-free as possible, to feed them good food, and to give them immune support supplements (I give mine some mixed in gerbers chicken baby food every morning-- there are all different kinds and there is tons in our archives about it and i think someone made up a little primer on it too). When they do get very sick, there are things that can be done which have helped some of the cats on this list when no one thought there was any hope, and then sometimes nothing works. The point again being that you just don't know-- you don't know, your vet doesn't know, we don't know, and Tom doesn't know. It's one day at a time with these babies. The most important thing is to give them a chance. Thanks for doing all you have done for Tom, and I am glad you found this group, Michelle__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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I sure hope they don't get it. What is this vitamin mix? Let me kmow how things turn out. How much is it costing you?"Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt if your other kitties will get it. Like I said, I use daily interferon on my guys. I've also just ordered some vitamins from Dr. Belfield, and am going to religiously try his method. He says he's had cats go negative taking his Vitamin mix. Thought I'd give it to my FELV and my FIV kitties. We'll see.GloriaAt 06:55 AM 4/10/2005, you wrote:Gloria,Tom is a year a half. He is a beautiful cat. I have been trying like crazy to find him a home. I put two ads in the paper. first one was no response. The second was was a $45 ad. Two response, but they did not sound like ideal homes for Tom. I am not giving him up to just any body and I just can't bring myself to have him put to sleep like one vet said to do. He is so sweet wants to please you in every way that he can. I have put up posters and even contacted people from other states. I have tried San Antonio, Dallas Houston. Do you have any other ideals? I just hope none of my other kitties get this. Tom has the serious type. They said it is in the bone marrow and he has about three years to live. He had the IFA test."Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Hi Barbara, Welcome to the list - sorry if it's a rocky beginning.How old is he?I would think, in Austin, you might be able to find an FELV home, eithersingly or with others FELV cats. However, please be aware that the virusis not a very hearty, and lots of veterinarians have different attitudes(and knowledge) about FELV. You're lucky that your vet isn't one thateuthanizes immediately.However, the virus is not considered that contagious; it dies farelyrapidly on contact with the air. (Unlike those URI viruses). So at leastfor the time you have Tom, he's not that much of a risk for your kitties.Although your vet is following the "party line", many of us do mix ourpositives with our negatives, if simply because the virus is so fragile,not that contagious, and there's a lot not known about it. Many also usedaily interferon to keep the virus in check.You might try some rescues in or around Austin, in Nacogdoches, SanAntonio, Dallas, etc. If you want some suggestions for those let me knowand I'll look some up.Gloriain Little Rock (with 2 FELV positives, and 3 FELV angels at the Bridge)At 07:48 PM 4/9/2005, you wrote: Tad, I had two test done for felv. The second was the IFA. I live in Austin, Texas and my area code is 512-835-2484. I think that I need to re-write this ad. I did not give enough information. Tom came up a couple months ago crying crying going from house to house. He was hungry lonely. I felt sorry for him and started feeding him and letting him come in to sleep. I took him down and got all of his shots and he tested positive for felv. He is one a half year old and is a very handsome cat. He weighs almost 13 pounds. He is a big boy. He is gray white. He is very aweet lovable. He is people oriented has a great disposition. He really wants to please you and he is so smart. I will re-do his ad tomorrow and put a picture of him on it. He is a beautiful cat. My vet said that I can't keep him because I have 4 non-positive cats and Tom must be placed with another of his own kind or by his self. Barbara Baass Tad Burnett wrote: Barbara It would help a lot if you would give us a little more information about Tom... Where did he come from...How did you discover he is FeLV+... How old is he...Does he get along with other cats..Is he people friendly... There isn't a great line of people waiting to take FeLV+ kitties... You will need to convinse us that we want to save him... And what part of the world is he in.??? This list is world wide Tad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to find Tom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep. I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler. Barbara Baass 835-2484 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005 Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection aroundhttp://mail.yahoo.com Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
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Bleinda, Yes, I saw your ad about the typo. I have been going to my vet for 40 years now. Yes,I knew that stress was a big factor. Tom was VERY stressed when he showed up, but is now happy content. Sounds like you have a very good vet. Mine is a good vet and goes to all the conferences but I believe that he is getting up there in years. His wife is with animal rescue and they both are very big on this.Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barbara,Did you see my post about my typo, Bailey is 10, not 20. But he has been positive since atleast 5 months of age when I found him, at the time I wasin Missouri and took him to three different vet, all 3 said "You might as well euthanize him, he will be dead in three months. I had some experience with FeLV and already knew this wasn't true, but can you imagine how many healthy cats die because people take thier vets word as absolute and blindly do as they are advised??Any cat that is positive and asymptomatic for as long as Bailey is classified as a carrier and the virus is most likely in the bone marrow. I don't fool myself I know sat anytime he could become symptomatic and get sick. One of the most important things is keeping the stress down, stress is a well known trigger of setting the virus off.Another thing and I can't speak about your vet, but it ahs been my experience the vets that have been practicing for a longer time are less experienced in the virus because they do not go to continuing education conferences to learn the newest updates about all diseases. My now vet is very young and has been practicing for only about 6 or 7 years. About 3 times a year she goes for a week or so at a time to conferences about the newest findings on many different diseases and she also goes to conferences to learn new treatment options. She is learning acupunture and holistic medicine as well as traditional medicine. She will someday be a very well rounded vet, and on top of all that to help keep my kitties stress down, she comes to the house for anything that doesn't absolutely need to be done at the office on her day off!! They get their vaccines at home and blood draws for blood tests at home. And yes if I find something on the internet I think has merit I tell her about and she will research it for me. She allows me to bring them in right before any procedures instead of dropping them off in the morning and leaving them there all day, this is very stressful for cats especially. And I wait and take them home as soon after the procedure as it is safe. She is a gem and if she ever moves, I'll have to pull up stakes and follow her :))-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
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Tom get premium food also dry. He gets baked chicked fish dryed bonito flakes that he just loves. I get a big bag of it at the Hong Kong Market for about $20 and it last forever. It is too expensive in the pet stores and then you get a little tiny bag. Where did you get the Mega C power. I am happy to hear that your kitty came up negative. That is great news.Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: delurking while dealing with my dog who has cancer. Mr. Bean was diagnosed with felv+ thru both tests what was it? 3-5 years ago I forget now. anyway, i put him on MegaC+ powder, vit E, a d, etc, and feed all mycats premium canned food and no dry except for a few pieces as a night treat. he recently had a complete blood work and he was negative. surprised the f**k out of the vet. since he had been in contact with my other cats, I never separated him. I had one postive die at 2 1/2 yrs, one at one year old. Clancy my last remaining positiveis still with me and he is 7-8 years old--who came to me as a foster cat when his elderlyowner died. he came from a group of 9 cats--none of the others had leukemia. go figure. another barbara - Original Message - From: Barbara Baass To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:04 AM Subject: Re: TOM Michelle, I have contacted a number of out of state sanctuaries. They are all full. I am still trying. will contact a few more. thanks for the info. tom has been in contact with my others. It is impossible to keep all of them apart and I don't have the heart to make him different from the rest any how. Tom had ther serious felv. He had the IFA test. My vet said when they have that they live about 3 years.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barbara, You have no idea how long Tom has, and neither does anyone else. There are people on this list who have had FeLV+ cats live to over 10 years old. It is rare but it does happen. I have one whose age I don't want to say because I am superstitious and do not want to jinx her, but she is probably older than you are thinking Tom will live to be. Also, cats do not die of FeLV. FeLV is like HIV-- it is a virus that diminishes the immune system and makes the cat more vulnerable to other conditions like lymphoma and URI's and certain kinds of anemia. So you have no idea how he will die when he dies, or when that will be. As far as your negatives go, if you keep them separated they are safe. I have a negative and 4 positives and keep them in separate areas. The current wisdom on FeLV is that it does not survive longer than a few moments in the air, and that cats have to share water, litter, and food for a while before catching it from each other (before they manage to come into contact with virus before it has died in air, which is more likely to happen in a wet substance) or fight. Most people on this list even mix positives and negatives, just making sure the negatives get the FeLV vaccine every year. I do not do that because I feel like it is taking a chance, but even that is just a small chance and there seems to have been very little disease spread that way. So if you keep them separate, it should be fine. If they are already in close contact and have been for a while, chances are that those who would contract it already have. Finally, I learned from someone recently that there is a cat sanctuary in Arizona that is exclusively for FeLV+ cats. I never tried to find it, but I assume you can find it on the web if you look. If you can't, I would contact Marley's Fund, which is such a group in NC and has a web page, and ask them if they know of it. Or contact Best Friends in Utah and ask them if they know about it or of anywhere else in the southwest that you can find him a home, if you are not willing to keep him. Michelle In a message dated 4/9/05 8:34:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know how you feel Jen, I am very sorry. I keep saying that I am going to put Tom down and then I find my self making the time longer. My other kitties will get this and Tom has already over stayed. He only has about another year a half if even that and I keep thinking that I might be doing him a favor. Felv is a painful death to have to go through. I love Tom to death and I don't know what to do because of my other cats that are non-positive. Barbara __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.
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Think the Vitamin C (8 oz) was $15. I'm using it not only on my 2 who carry the FELV virus (they're not sick now, just carry the virus) but also with some negatives and 3 FIV cats. I still give the FELV carriers the .5cc interferon alpha. Gloria At 12:08 PM 4/10/2005, you wrote: I sure hope they don't get it. What is this vitamin mix? Let me kmow how things turn out. How much is it costing you? Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt if your other kitties will get it. Like I said, I use daily interferon on my guys. I've also just ordered some vitamins from Dr. Belfield, and am going to religiously try his method. He says he's had cats go negative taking his Vitamin mix. Thought I'd give it to my FELV and my FIV kitties. We'll see. Gloria At 06:55 AM 4/10/2005, you wrote: Gloria, Tom is a year a half. He is a beautiful cat. I have been trying like crazy to find him a home. I put two ads in the paper. first one was no response. The second was was a $45 ad. Two response, but they did not sound like ideal homes for Tom. I am not giving him up to just any body and I just can't bring myself to have him put to sleep like one vet said to do. He is so sweet wants to please you in every way that he can. I have put up posters and even contacted people from other states. I have tried San Antonio, Dallas Houston. Do you have any other ideals? I just hope none of my other kitties get this. Tom has the serious type. They said it is in the bone marrow and he has about three years to live. He had the IFA test. Gloria B. Lane wrote: Hi Barbara, Welcome to the list - sorry if it's a rocky beginning. How old is he? I would think, in Austin, you might be able to find an FELV home, either singly or with others FELV cats. However, please be aware that the virus is not a very hearty, and lots of veterinarians have different attitudes (and knowledge) about FELV. You're lucky that your vet isn't one that euthanizes immediately. However, the virus is not considered that contagious; it dies farely rapidly on contact with the air. (Unlike those URI viruses). So at least for the time you have Tom, he's not that much of a risk for your kitties. Although your vet is following the party line, many of us do mix our positives with our negatives, if simply because the virus is so fragile, not that contagious, and there's a lot not known about it. Many also use daily interferon to keep the virus in check. You might try some rescues in or around Austin, in Nacogdoches, San Antonio, Dallas, etc. If you want some suggestions for those let me know and I'll look some up. Gloria in Little Rock (with 2 FELV positives, and 3 FELV angels at the Bridge) At 07:48 PM 4/9/2005, you wrote: Tad, I had two test done for felv. The second was the IFA. I live in Austin, Texas and my area code is 512-835-2484. I think that I need to re-write this ad. I did not give enough information. Tom came up a couple months ago crying crying going from house to house. He was hungry lonely. I felt sorry for him and started feeding him and letting him come in to sleep. I took him down and got all of his shots and he tested positive for felv. He is one a half year old and is a very handsome cat. He weighs almost 13 pounds. He is a big boy. He is gray white. He is very aweet lovable. He is people oriented has a great disposition. He really wants to please you and he is so smart. I will re-do his ad tomorrow and put a picture of him on it. He is a beautiful cat. My vet said that I can't keep him because I have 4 non-positive cats and Tom must be placed with another of his own kind or by his self. Barbara Baass Tad Burnett wrote: Barbara It would help a lot if you would give us a little more information about Tom... Where did he come from...How did you discover he is FeLV+... How old is he...Does he get along with other cats..Is he people friendly... There isn't a great line of people waiting to take FeLV+ kitties... You will need to convinse us that we want to save him... And what part of the world is he in.??? This list is world wide Tad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to find Tom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep. I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler. Barbara Baass 835-2484 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005 Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=31637/*http
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Barbara, That's good, that your vet does go to the conferences and keeps up on the latest findings. I guess the bottom line is that you have to do what is best for your situation, as we all do. I just wanted to let you know there are options. I am so glad I found this group many years ago, I've learned more from all of these people going through the same thing as me than from any website or vet. My vet has learned quite a bit too :) -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Barbara, I don't think there is any way that Meowser gave our other kitty felv. They never were even in contact. We kept Meowser in the basement. The vet also believes that Killian also had it before. She told me that it's not very easy for it to be passed to another cat especially without ever having had any physical contact, pretty much impossible! It's just a coincidence that we found out 2 months later. Killian had been sick so we took her to the vet. They ran blood tests on her. All was well except testing positive for felv. What a shock! But that was almost a year ago and she's been doing great! You know you can vaccinate your other cats if you would like to keep Tom. I know it's not easy to find a felv positive kitty a nice home. It's heartbreaking. He might live a full life. You never know. Good luck! KathyBarbara Baass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kathy, Do you think that that your sweet stray gave your kitty the Felv? I have been working like crazy to find Tom a home, putting up posters and even calling sanctuary's out of state. I can't seem to bring myself to haveTom put to sleep. He is so sweet wants to please you in ever way that he can. I put a $45 ad in the paper and got two response, but these people don't sound like someone I want to give Tom to. One her kitty was shot with a pellet gun someone kicked him and his guts were clear up at the top she said. He was only a year old. The surgery was going to cost her $1,500, so she had him put to sleep and she said she would have to buy Tom cheap food. I told her he needed to eat quality food. The other people live in an Apt. and said that Tom could stay out side, as there were a lot of cats around there. These do not sound like ideal homes to me.Kathy Koutsis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barbara, Nearly a year ago I ran across the same predicament. Found a SWEET stray and took her in. She tested felv positive and I already had a 10 year old negative. I was so concerned for my 10 year old but I also had compassion for the felv+ cat (Meowser). Putting her to sleep was NEVER an option for me. I worked HARD to try to place her in a home. I put flyers out but nobody responded. I called numerous shelters and did research on the web. I finally found a sanctuary type no-kill sheter that takes in felv+ kitties. I drove over two hours away to get her there. I still keep in touch with the woman that runs the shelter and often give donations. So, please don't give up and do all you can to find Tom a home! By the way, a few months later I found out that my 10 year old is FELV+! We never even knew! Your other cats could have it and you'd never know. But Killian is now 11. What a shame if she had been tested years ago and put to sleep! She's a healthy, happy, energetic, loveable cat! What a waste it would have been. Kathy[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to findTom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep.I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler. Barbara Baass 835-2484 __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Kathy, Thanks for the support. I do have all the rest of my kitties up to date on all their shots. One has a week immune system. He has stomasstisis and seems to get everything that comes along. He is three. Just hope that he doesn't get this felv from Tom. They areall in contact with Tom. I don't have the heart to make Tom feel different from the rest. I can only hope that it all works out. Barbara Kathy Koutsis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barbara, I don't think there is any way that Meowser gave our other kitty felv. They never were even in contact. We kept Meowser in the basement. The vet also believes that Killian also had it before. She told me that it's not very easy for it to be passed to another cat especially without ever having had any physical contact, pretty much impossible! It's just a coincidence that we found out 2 months later. Killian had been sick so we took her to the vet. They ran blood tests on her. All was well except testing positive for felv. What a shock! But that was almost a year ago and she's been doing great! You know you can vaccinate your other cats if you would like to keep Tom. I know it's not easy to find a felv positive kitty a nice home. It's heartbreaking. He might live a full life. You never know. Good luck! KathyBarbara Baass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kathy, Do you think that that your sweet stray gave your kitty the Felv? I have been working like crazy to find Tom a home, putting up posters and even calling sanctuary's out of state. I can't seem to bring myself to haveTom put to sleep. He is so sweet wants to please you in ever way that he can. I put a $45 ad in the paper and got two response, but these people don't sound like someone I want to give Tom to. One her kitty was shot with a pellet gun someone kicked him and his guts were clear up at the top she said. He was only a year old. The surgery was going to cost her $1,500, so she had him put to sleep and she said she would have to buy Tom cheap food. I told her he needed to eat quality food. The other people live in an Apt. and said that Tom could stay out side, as there were a lot of cats around there. These do not sound like ideal homes to me.Kathy Koutsis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barbara, Nearly a year ago I ran across the same predicament. Found a SWEET stray and took her in. She tested felv positive and I already had a 10 year old negative. I was so concerned for my 10 year old but I also had compassion for the felv+ cat (Meowser). Putting her to sleep was NEVER an option for me. I worked HARD to try to place her in a home. I put flyers out but nobody responded. I called numerous shelters and did research on the web. I finally found a sanctuary type no-kill sheter that takes in felv+ kitties. I drove over two hours away to get her there. I still keep in touch with the woman that runs the shelter and often give donations. So, please don't give up and do all you can to find Tom a home! By the way, a few months later I found out that my 10 year old is FELV+! We never even knew! Your other cats could have it and you'd never know. But Killian is now 11. What a shame if she had been tested years ago and put to sleep! She's a healthy, happy, energetic, loveable cat! What a waste it would have been. Kathy[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to findTom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep.I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler. Barbara Baass 835-2484 __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
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Barbara I have been on this list since 1997, and I mostly lurk in the last couple of years. In November, 1997, I live trapped an orange tabby male who had been hanging around our woods. I took him to my vet to be neutered and check for Feline Leukemia. She did the Elisa test and it came up positive. She estimated that he was at least 2 years old or older. He showed no signs of illness from the felv so had her send in an IFA test to the lab. The IFA came back positive showing that the virus was replicating in his bone marrow. At the time I knew only the veterinary thought process on feline Leukemia which was to euthanize right away to protect my other negative cats. Having a perfectly healthy appearing cat euthanized made no sense to me. I told my vet I was taking him back home so that he could live a love filled life for however long he would live. That was almost 7-1/2 years ago and he (Peri) is still here happy, healthy and loved. At first I kept him separated from my negative cats, but after joining this list right after I trapped him and learning so much about feline leukemia I introduced him into the rest of house. I had five negative cats at the time. In February, 2003, I lost my 17 year old cat, Fannie May, from Dialated Cardiomyopathy. On June 9, I lost my almost 17 year old cat, Suzy Q, to Pancreatic Cancer which had matastized throughout her body. Ten days later I lost my 16 year old diabetic cat, Little Boy. In October, 2004, I suddenly lost Mikey, 7 years old, from some type of liver disease. None of those kitties were feline leukemia positive when they died. I grieved so much from the 3 losses in 2003, that I couldn't adopt another cat right away. Finally, in May 2004, I adopted a beautiful felv- look alike Tortie Point Himalayan female named Baby Kitty. This past February, 2005, with the help of many wonderful animal lovers I adopted two feline leukemia positive cats from Georgia. Lovey is a 1 year old chocolate point Balinese and Merry is a Lynx Point Himalayan. I had them spayed and neutered before they left Georgia. If I had not adopted them they would have been euthanized by now. They were both positive on the Elisa and the IFA. They, too, show no signs of the disease and are already much loved members of our family. So, I have 3 felv+ cats and two felv- cats who groom each other, play, eat out of the same food and water dishes. I figured that all cats deserve a chance to have a forever loving home no matter how long they might live. I do give the positive cats 1 ml of Interferon daily, plus vitamin c. That is the newest protocol rather than 7 days on and 7 days off. I feed them Wellness dry food except for Peri who has struvite crystal problems and he gets Wysong Uretic dry. They all get treats of wet food and small amounts of people food. When Peri was first diagnosed and after the IFA test came back positive, I called Dr. John Hardy the originator of the IFA test. I asked him how contagious feline leukemia was and he said, "When it dries, it dies." The virus is very fragile outside the host body and only lasts as long as it is wet. I keep my negative kitties uptodate on their vaccinations. All of my cats, negative and positive, get the FVRCP every two or three years. Also, the rabies vacc. every 3 or 4 years. According to my vet giving the cat vaccs. to my positive actually helps to build their immune systems. But, they don't get them all at once. It is spread out at least 2-3 weeks for each vaccination. My positives, of course, do not get the felv vaccination. Anyway, good luck with Tom. I hope you get to keep him and just love him for as long as he lives. He may not live a long live, but then again, he may. -- Brenda. http://www.whiskersandwicks.com http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith "The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005
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Gloria, I am really interested in this vitamin mix, can you tell me more and where to get it? Thanks Cherie"Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Think the Vitamin C (8 oz) was $15. I'm using it not only on my 2 who carry the FELV virus (they're not sick now, just carry the virus) but also with some negatives and 3 FIV cats. I still give the FELV carriers the .5cc interferon alpha.GloriaAt 12:08 PM 4/10/2005, you wrote:I sure hope they don't get it. What is this vitamin mix? Let me kmow how things turn out. How much is it costing you?"Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:I doubt if your other kitties will get it. Like I said, I use dailyinterferon on my guys. I've also just ordered some vitamins from Dr.Belfield, and am going to religiously try his method. He says he's hadcats go negative taking his Vitamin mix. Thought I'd give it to my FELVand my FIV kitties. We'll see.GloriaAt 06:55 AM 4/10/2005, you wrote: Gloria, Tom is a year a half. He is a beautiful cat. I have been trying like crazy to find him a home. I put two ads in the paper. first one was no response. The second was was a $45 ad. Two response, but they did not sound like ideal homes for Tom. I am not giving him up to just any body and I just can't bring myself to have him put to sleep like one vet said to do. He is so sweet wants to please you in every way that he can. I have put up posters and even contacted people from other states. I have tried San Antonio, Dallas Houston. Do you have any other ideals? I just hope none of my other kitties get this. Tom has the serious type. They said it is in the bone marrow and he has about three years to live. He had the IFA test. "Gloria B. Lane" wrote: Hi Barbara, Welcome to the list - sorry if it's a rocky beginning. How old is he? I would think, in Austin, you might be able to find an FELV home, either singly or with others FELV cats. However, please be aware that the virus is not a very hearty, and lots of veterinarians have different attitudes (and knowledge) about FELV. You're lucky that your vet isn't one that euthanizes immediately. However, the virus is not considered that contagious; it dies farely rapidly on contact with the air. (Unlike those URI viruses). So at least for the time you have Tom, he's not that much of a risk for your kitties. Although your vet is following the "party line", many of us do mix our positives with our negatives, if simply because the virus is so fragile, not that contagious, and there's a lot not known about it. Many also use daily interferon to keep the virus in check. You might try some rescues in or around Austin, in Nacogdoches, San Antonio, Dallas, etc. If you want some suggestions for those let me know and I'll look some up. Gloria in Little Rock (with 2 FELV positives, and 3 FELV angels at the Bridge) At 07:48 PM 4/9/2005, you wrote: Tad, I had two test done for felv. The second was the IFA. I live in Austin, Texas and my area code is 512-835-2484. I think that I need to re-write this ad. I did not give enough information. Tom came up a couple months ago crying crying going from house to house. He was hungry lonely. I felt sorry for him and started feeding him and letting him come in to sleep. I took him down and got all of his shots and he tested positive for felv. He is one a half year old and is a very handsome cat. He weighs almost 13 pounds. He is a big boy. He is gray white. He is very aweet lovable. He is people oriented has a great disposition. He really wants to please you and he is so smart. I will re-do his ad tomorrow and put a picture of him on it. He is a beautiful cat. My vet said that I can't keep him because I have 4 non-positive cats and Tom must be placed with another of his own kind or by his self.Barbara Baass Tad Burnett wrote: Barbara It would help a lot if you would give us a little more information about Tom... Where did he come from...How did you discover he is FeLV+... How old is he...Does he get along with other cats..Is he people friendly...There isn't a great line of people waiting to take FeLV+ kitties... You will need to convinse us that we want to save him...And what part of the world is he in.??? This list is world wideTad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to find Tom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep. I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler.Barbara Baass 835-2484 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005 Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! __
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Title: Message I'm sorry, am I being overly sensitive here, but after being on this list for sometime and sharing the tears of those who have fought to the very end for their babies lives...it's posts like these that really tap into a deep-seated resentment of some kind...I know you mean well, Barbara, and perhaps it's just bad timing after reading Nina's post about Jazz (I'm crying my eyeballs out)...but to read that someone would willingly put down a perfectly healthy FeLV baby like this...I don't know, maybe I should take a break...I really feel like I'm losing it sometimes! :( Jen -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:48 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: TOM I need to findTom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep.I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler. Barbara Baass 835-2484
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Barbara It would help a lot if you would give us a little more information about Tom... Where did he come from...How did you discover he is FeLV+... How old is he...Does he get along with other cats..Is he people friendly... There isn't a great line of people waiting to take FeLV+ kitties... You will need to convinse us that we want to save him... And what part of the world is he in.??? This list is world wide Tad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to findTom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep.I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler. Barbara Baass 835-2484 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005
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Del, I live in Austin, Texas and my area code is 512-835-2484. I didn't even thibnk of that. BarbaraDel Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry my house is full-up but you did not give a location - state would be a big help, or area code. Del - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: TOM I need to findTom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep.I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler. Barbara Baass 835-2484 Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
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I know how you feel Jen, I am very sorry. I keep saying that I am going to put Tom down and then I find my self making the time longer. My other kitties will get this and Tom has already over stayed. He only has about another year a half if even that and I keep thinking that I might be doing him a favor. Felv is a painful death to have to go through. I love Tom to death and I don't know what to do because of my other cats that are non-positive. BarbaraJen Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, am I being overly sensitive here, but after being on this list for sometime and sharing the tears of those who have fought to the very end for their babies lives...it's posts like these that really tap into a deep-seated resentment of some kind...I know you mean well, Barbara, and perhaps it's just bad timing after reading Nina's post about Jazz (I'm crying my eyeballs out)...but to read that someone would willingly put down a perfectly healthy FeLV baby like this...I don't know, maybe I should take a break...I really feel like I'm losing it sometimes! :( Jen -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:48 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: TOM I need to findTom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep.I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler. Barbara Baass 835-2484 Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
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Barbara Baass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Del, I live in Austin, Texas and my area code is 512-835-2484. I didn't even thibnk of that. BarbaraDel Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry my house is full-up but you did not give a location - state would be a big help, or area code. Del - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: TOM I need to findTom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep.I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler. Barbara Baass 835-2484 Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
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Barbara, You have no idea how long Tom has, and neither does anyone else. There are people on this list who have had FeLV+ cats live to over 10 years old. It is rare but it does happen. I have one whose age I don't want to say because I am superstitious and do not want to jinx her, but she is probably older than you are thinking Tom will live to be. Also, cats do not die of FeLV. FeLV is like HIV-- it is a virus that diminishes the immune system and makes the cat more vulnerable to other conditions like lymphoma and URI's and certain kinds of anemia. So you have no idea how he will die when he dies, or when that will be. As far as your negatives go, if you keep them separated they are safe. I have a negative and 4 positives and keep them in separate areas. The current wisdom on FeLV is that it does not survive longer than a few moments in the air, and that cats have to share water, litter, and food for a while before catching it from each other (before they manage to come into contact with virus before it has died in air, which is more likely to happen in a wet substance) or fight. Most people on this list even mix positives and negatives, just making sure the negatives get the FeLV vaccine every year. I do not do that because I feel like it is taking a chance, but even that is just a small chance and there seems to have been very little disease spread that way. So if you keep them separate, it should be fine. If they are already in close contact and have been for a while, chances are that those who would contract it already have. Finally, I learned from someone recently that there is a cat sanctuary in Arizona that is exclusively for FeLV+ cats. I never tried to find it, but I assume you can find it on the web if you look. If you can't, I would contact Marley's Fund, which is such a group in NC and has a web page, and ask them if they know of it. Or contact Best Friends in Utah and ask them if they know about it or of anywhere else in the southwest that you can find him a home, if you are not willing to keep him. Michelle In a message dated 4/9/05 8:34:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know how you feel Jen, I am very sorry. I keep saying that I am going to put Tom down and then I find my self making the time longer. My other kitties will get this and Tom has already over stayed. He only has about another year a half if even that and I keep thinking that I might be doing him a favor. Felv is a painful death to have to go through. I love Tom to death and I don't know what to do because of my other cats that are non-positive. Barbara
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Hi Barbara, Welcome to the list - sorry if it's a rocky beginning. How old is he? I would think, in Austin, you might be able to find an FELV home, either singly or with others FELV cats. However, please be aware that the virus is not a very hearty, and lots of veterinarians have different attitudes (and knowledge) about FELV. You're lucky that your vet isn't one that euthanizes immediately. However, the virus is not considered that contagious; it dies farely rapidly on contact with the air. (Unlike those URI viruses). So at least for the time you have Tom, he's not that much of a risk for your kitties. Although your vet is following the party line, many of us do mix our positives with our negatives, if simply because the virus is so fragile, not that contagious, and there's a lot not known about it. Many also use daily interferon to keep the virus in check. You might try some rescues in or around Austin, in Nacogdoches, San Antonio, Dallas, etc. If you want some suggestions for those let me know and I'll look some up. Gloria in Little Rock (with 2 FELV positives, and 3 FELV angels at the Bridge) At 07:48 PM 4/9/2005, you wrote: Tad, I had two test done for felv. The second was the IFA. I live in Austin, Texas and my area code is 512-835-2484. I think that I need to re-write this ad. I did not give enough information. Tom came up a couple months ago crying crying going from house to house. He was hungry lonely. I felt sorry for him and started feeding him and letting him come in to sleep. I took him down and got all of his shots and he tested positive for felv. He is one a half year old and is a very handsome cat. He weighs almost 13 pounds. He is a big boy. He is gray white. He is very aweet lovable. He is people oriented has a great disposition. He really wants to please you and he is so smart. I will re-do his ad tomorrow and put a picture of him on it. He is a beautiful cat. My vet said that I can't keep him because I have 4 non-positive cats and Tom must be placed with another of his own kind or by his self. Barbara Baass Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barbara It would help a lot if you would give us a little more information about Tom... Where did he come from...How did you discover he is FeLV+... How old is he...Does he get along with other cats..Is he people friendly... There isn't a great line of people waiting to take FeLV+ kitties... You will need to convinse us that we want to save him... And what part of the world is he in.??? This list is world wide Tad mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to find Tom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep. I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler. Barbara Baass 835-2484 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005 Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=31637/*http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/Try our new resources site!
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Barbara, Nearly a year ago I ran across the same predicament. Found a SWEET stray and took her in. She tested felv positive and I already had a 10 year old negative. I was so concerned for my 10 year old but I also had compassion for the felv+ cat (Meowser). Putting her to sleep was NEVER an option for me. I worked HARD to try to place her in a home. I put flyers out but nobody responded. I called numerous shelters and did research on the web. I finally found a sanctuary type no-kill sheter that takes in felv+ kitties. I drove over two hours away to get her there. I still keep in touch with the woman that runs the shelter and often give donations. So, please don't give up and do all you can to find Tom a home! By the way, a few months later I found out that my 10 year old is FELV+! We never even knew! Your other cats could have it and you'd never know. But Killian is now 11. What a shame if she had been tested years ago and put to sleep! She's a healthy, happy, energetic, loveable cat! What a waste it would have been. Kathy[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to findTom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep.I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler. Barbara Baass 835-2484
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Barbara, I don't know who told you that Tom only has a year and a half left but they don't have a clue what they are talking about. Is there a reason for saying something like that? I have 6 kitties, Baiiley is my positive, he found me at 5 months of age and all three vets I took him to after testing positive said to euthanize his, he willonly live three months at best ... well they obviously didn't know what they were talking about. Bailey is 20 years old this May, and very healthy. He's been positive all of his life (atleast since 5 months of age), and has not ever been sick other than a cold here and there and just last year we battled stomastisis (mouth and gum problems) and once we pulled his teeth he has completely recovered and the stomastisis is no longer a problem. All of my guys live together and have since I have had Bailey, NOBODY has ever gotten FeLV from him, I test and vaccinate all of my negatives every year, they just got vaccines about 3 weeks ago and I didn't even test because they ahve all lived together for almost 10 years and nobody is exhibiting any sypthoms and I figure the stress of drawing blood wasn't worth it, I really don't hink anyone will ever get it from Bailey, they are as close as they can possibly be and if they haven't gotten it in 10 years, chances are slim to none they ever will. They eat, sleep, groom and play together and yes occasionally somone gets scratched in play and nobody has every gotten it, it is not as easily transmitted as some very unknowledgable vets would lead you to believe. I just had to say this because I'm thinking you have been misinformed by someone. And if you got your information on the internet most websites on this are very outdated and incorrect. Chances of a healthy, vaccinated cat getting FeLV are almost non-existent, I say this from experience, my own and many others on this list. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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A typo in my email, Bailey is 10 years old not 20 ... someday, but not yet! -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
