Since I live in a rural area our local Mom Pop
Natural Store is limited to what items they carry can order, I am always
looking for alternative resources since I have to special order many of the
products I use for the furkids, including some holisticfood.
In my most recent "quest", I
[EMAIL PROTECTED]A GREAT group, lots of info. I found thid to be among the
best support groups when I had several furkids w/ CRF
www.pouncerstone.com good
information on CRF
www.holisticat.com/main.html
information for altrnative/holistic treatments
Patti
I was basically going to say the same as Barbara - r/o
stress(could it be Lovey's in the house?), allergies - so common
We had a cat @ the shelter who chewed herself bald. developed
red, scabby spots. Turned out she had developed food allergies, especially beef.
Only thing we could feed her
Michelle,
My heart goes out to you, you have been thru so much. I don't
know of anyone around here that has romm for another FIV+, sorry, but here are
some sites you could cross post on. I actuallywas able to place some
seniors and disabled cats using a couple of these sites. It's worth a
Michelle, Just going thru some of my files. Found some
holistic items you might want to try:
Vetri-Science Derma Strength for Cats - specially for skin
allergies immune support
Health Cocerns Skin Balance - A Chinese herbal remedy for
allergies, skin coat problems
Seven Forest Quercenol -
Michelle,
Me again
In regards to diet. It is wise to r/o food allergies. I
fostered 2 little darlings that came to me almost bald. :(
After trial error, we found success using a rabbit or
duck formula, exclusively. Ended up feeding that to everyone, it was impossible
to feed dry
Michelle,
Truthfully I prefer the cream. I also just rub some on
the ears. It just seems to have a better effect and seems to work almost
directly after contact
But again, this might just bedue to what I had
read about cream vs. Tincture/spray the marketing strategy has worked on
I LOVE HAPPY
ENDINGS!!
Patti
In a message dated 3/10/2005 11:55:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Using Herbs forPet Healthby
Dr. Larry Siegler
As the prevalence of chronic disease and immune deficiency continue to rise
in our companion animals, more and more guardians are looking for more
I just wanted to thank everyone who replied to my post
about Felix.
I miss him so much.I find myself looking
at the clock all the time still...I fed him smaller portions throughout the day,
he had better luck keeping his food down that way.
I just thank God that there are people like Susan
Title: Thank you
Dear Kerry,
Thank you for your kind words, I
really need
Yes. Lactulose is a prescription med you can get from
vet. However, since it's been 3 days or more now, w/ no BM, I would ask vet
about possiby an x-ray(after manually paplpitating abdomen), just to rule out
any type of blockage.
Unfortunately, I have seen cats come in w/
blockages.
Also,
Nina,
Petition signed and passed on to other groups and
friends! Thanks for posting that!
Hugs,
Patti
Thanks to all who responded and are keeping my Felix
in their thoughts prayers. It is comforting to know that ao many others
are pulling for him...
Kyle, Felix was non-positve.
Ethan. my only Felv+ crossed The Bridgr exactly two
years to the daye I took Felix to Ange's Gate, (I also lost
Dear Steve,
My heart goes out to you and no words will diminish
your pain sorrow.
But I believe you are the BEST cat-dad ever for all
you've done for your babies.
I lost my Ethan due to the same
thing
I like to think of him now healthy and happy and just
romping in a big meadow
Tad,
I am so sorry for your loss of Baby Kitty, she was
lucky to have you step in and save her and Momma. I wish more people would give
these poor souls w/ Felv a chance at life.
Mt prayers are w/ you.
Patti
Del,
We have used Pepcid for mant kiitties at the shelter.
One thing the vet did stress was only to use the tablet (original) form, due to
diff. in ingredients in other forms.
She also said administer 15 min, before meals, and she
realizes w/ meals we were not on a 12 hour schedule between
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Del,
Yes, we picked up the generic @ WalMart for a
very cheap price. They were 5mg, instead of 10mg, but for our Gertrude
it was easier to half them than quarter them.
Also, some of The Dollar stores carry the
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Hideyo,
Go to yahoo groups they have several
FIV support groups.
As far as FIV+ cats, in the years I have
worked w/ them at the shelter, it always seemed that our FIV+'s were among
the healthiest there.
Hideyo~
What are you using for anesthesia??
Do you think you could use isofluorane (gas)?? We have a
plastic storage box, rigged up to our Iso machine. Have found that it is less
stressful, and not as risky, to put the kitty in the box, turn up the Iso til
they are out. Then, we draw blood
Hideyo~
We do all the initial testing in house. All
subsequent positives are then sent out, and we also will use two diff.
diagnostic laboratories.
Gosh, I am so sorry for your loss of Suzi. And that was Iso
related?? That is so strange. I have seen too many reactions, many fatal, w/
using
All of this I find very interesting.
I am a vegan, and I do find it somewhat unpleasant feeding my
critters something that I refuse to eat, but...
I became very familiar w/ allergies in animals w/ my first
Rottie years ago. After repeated tests, x-rays specialists, I finally
found a
Kerry,
I wasn't meaning to throw you off w/ my experience,
LOL!
I just think that after having raised BoyCat GirlCat,
and their success w/ a vegetarian diet, it was something to share w/ the
group.
Now that I am no longer fostering, and my numbers here are
"more" manageble for special
Hideyo,
Natural cortisone is extracted from plants, and is
among the classification of phytonutrients.
I know that it has been derived from Yucca plants, and
also wild yams.
I am finding this whole topic very interesting, and also
nostalgic.
I am sitting here looking at my Ethan's
In a message dated 4/26/2005 12:25:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think
Licorice ( herbal liquid from health food store, not candy) can have
a natural cortisone effect...
Yes, it stimulates the production of natural cortisol
from body~~~
Ethan 's vet had him
In a message dated 4/28/2005 8:10:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm
CCing this to Belinda so she will but Baby Kitty on the
CLS page. I'm sorry Baby Kitty got lost in the shuffle
of my loss.
Belinda's wonderful CLS page does help to get at least some
Here are a few.
www.americangreetings.com
www.e-cards.com
www.usagreetings.com
Kerry,
I got my first 2 door carrier when I brought home
a feral girl from the shelter who was in late stages of
CRF.
She had to get SQ fluids 2x a day and both oral
and injectable meds.
I would put some tuna or sardines (stinky stuff)
in the carrier, sit next to it and quickly shut the
Kerry,
Beauty was certainly one savvy
kitty
But, she also LOVED the stinky treats. And after
awhile, she even let me pet her while she indulged in the goodies. We ended up
having a funny relationship... I respected her "terms", and by doing so she came
to semi-trust me.
We had weekly
While Ace Promazine works as a sedative, I would
be very careful with it's use.
One of my dogs has several "issues", and getting
her to the vet is always an adventure. (She is aggressive, among other
things)
All her bloodwork came back fine, but she needs
regular visits because of ear
In a message dated 5/4/2005 8:17:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
With my
Big Boy, I know that by now I could get him into the carrier get to vet,
but problem comes in when we get there
Wouldn't it be great if all vets made house
calls??
Patti
Yes, we were lucky. She's still as mean as ever.
LOL!
Seriously, it was very scary and she was put on a very
low dose. This poor girl has so many problems
I guess like any drug, it should be used with
caution.
Who knows, with all her allergies maybe there is an
ingredient in that
There is a vet close by that does do house
calls. My friend uses her (she lives on a farm and in addition to her large
"family", she has 3 feral colonies that we relocated to her farm ). It works
very well for her, and she loves the vet.
But, I just "love" my vet, have used him for years,
In a message dated 5/4/2005 11:05:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
she still has
horrendous problems with her ears
That's tough. She was
lucky/smart to find a good home with you.
Kerry
Yeah, just call me a sucker! But I knew she would not
be able to have
My thoughts prayers are with
you.
Patti
In a message dated 5/4/2005 3:43:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
one of
my favorite warped thingsto do is sneak up on her and pet her because
i KNOW it's largelyan act. her name, appropriately enough, is
sybil.
That made me laugh! And brought back "happy"
That is too funny!
But isn't it something that if you happen to leave
a carrier out, they all seem to "fight" to get in it.
But when it's time for a vet visit and the carrier
comes out, they all disappear!
Cats, I'll never figure them out! I think that's
why I love them so much...the element
In a message dated 5/5/2005 9:28:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ive always thought
that the people who trained or so mistreated these dogs to be so aggressive
should be locked in a room with them to let the dogs show them how well they
learned!
Chris,
I
In a message dated 5/5/2005 9:55:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
TNR: The
Road Less TravelledEvery year, shelters across the nation kill
millions of feral cats not because they are unhealthy, but because they are
unadoptable. Alley Cat Allies and other feral
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Nina,
I think everyone here knows my views on the no
kill issue.
It is great for those that can be "retrained",
but my dilemma is with the poor dogs that have to live such a solitary
existence. And some of these dogs
In a message dated 5/5/2005 2:06:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I
volunteer with a rescue group and in my 4 years with them we have made the
decision one time to put down a dog because of its aggressive
behavior
In 26 years, we have only put ONE dog
down.
In a message dated 5/5/2005 12:28:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
We
are an Idaho based 501c3 with a Sanctuary for unadoptable felines. We do
felv + kitties and have some awesome holistic treatments that help increase
lifespan and give them better quality of
In a message dated 5/5/2005 2:31:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dumb Q time: I realize lack
of funds would make it impossible anyway, butdoes medicationexist
to calm aggressive dogs? (As I say, it's dumb Q
time)
Kerry,
Not a dumb question at
all.
We have
Yes, he is!
If only I was 20 years
younger!!!
Patti
We do house sometimes 2 - 3 of the aggressive dogs
together in some of our larger kennel areas. We have a group of 3 (2
males,1 female), that have been together for at least 8 years. They do
well together, but not with other dogs.
We also do have a secure outside area which we try to
Yay, Jada!!
Dear Lisa,
My thoughts and prayers are with you and
Akira.
I believe that allowing her to be at home with you
at this time is one of the greatest gifts of love and
unselfishness.
With Love,
Patti
Michelle,
Healing prayers thoughts for you and all your
babies.
In regards to Fern the ace pro, is there an
alternative drug to offer?
My Middy was Rx'd. ace, and due to her age
health, she did not tolerate it very well at all. Although she was on lowest
dose, it had major effect on her
In a message dated 5/20/2005 7:56:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I wonder
if I would be doing the wrong thing by keeping him when I have 4 non-positive
ones that are being exposed. By then are they really being exposed since we
don't know that much about felv?
In a message dated 5/20/2005 10:34:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have to laugh at the TRUTH of
this
Me too!
When I was working at the (pink
juice happy) vets office with the help of the ONLY compassionate vet at the
practice, I "smuggled" two cats that were
In a message dated 5/20/2005 10:08:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Trust your instincts! That's why we have them
afterall!
It's interesting how we all have
stories about how we were "chosen".
I agree, trust your instincts, and
follow your heart.
Patti
Glo,
Do you have access to Jim Willis's
writings?
He's got a web site.
I contacted him personally a couple of years ago and
he does not mind, rather he ENCOURAGES people to use his work as humane
educational tools.
I still give out copies of "Free Kittuns" every year
during kitten season.
Hope you found something to
use!
Patti
Michael,
I am so sorry for your loss. You fought so hard,
and valiantly.
What a wonderful guardian you are, looking after
this sweet kitty.
In your time of sorrow please try to picture
Stitch running happy, healthy free with all our beloved furangels at The
Rainbow Bridge.
Wishing you
Dear
Michelle,
Just wanted to let you know I have
been thinking about all you are going thru with your
babies.
I know how hard it is when only one
becomes ill, but the fact that Ginger, Fern and Pepsi all have needs to be
addressed at this time is so sad.
I have not seen any recent posts
I. too have been worried about
Michelle,
Poor girl, having to face so MANY abdolutely
terrible illness/diseases with her babies..
And losing Prpsi.
I jusy pray Ginger is improving and Fern, is
gomfortable.
too many major health issues going
on.
Mu heart goes out to her and her furkids, and
I AM so horrified! I would never place a
cat without pre-screening!
I am pro-life, but in this case humane
euthanasia would have been much more "humane".
I did take my old boy Felix, to Angel's
Gate, Long Island. NY.
I met Susan Victor did visit
the sanctuary beforehand.
It was a most
And the SAD truth is, there are many more, so
called sanctuaries like this...
Just allhaven't been given the publicity or
been "discovered".
And sometimes the whole legal system, regarding
penalties and such, is a JOKE! (Not Funny!)
What a sad world we live in.
I sit here, in tears. I
Yes, I made it very clear in my post that my
Felix went to Angel's Gate in L.I., N.Y.
I also stated Victor Susan are marvelous and
their sanctuary/hospice is IMMACULATE!
In fact, one of the first things Felix did was to jump
on their bed, covered w/ a white spread! With his IBD, I was so
In a message dated 6/9/2005 3:01:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Angels Gate is
in Long Island
Again, EXACTLY.
NOT TENN.
In a message dated 6/9/2005 1:28:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That is so trueMy son wants to rescue everything we see, from the
smallest butterfly to the cats we have, he is 5 and I hope this caring nature
stays with him.
Cherie
My daughter was the
Hideyo,
I agree, the cat really needs to see a vet.
Is there a shelter or humane society near by that has
clinics?
Our shelter has spay/neuter clinics twice weekly, but time
isput asidefor "hardship" cases..The vets will do an exam, run the
bloodwork, then advisse what further treatment or
In a message dated 6/9/2005 6:51:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
recently
he started going bathroom (both 1 2) all over the house other than
litter box
PS ~ I was also thinking a "blockage",
undiagnosed NOT treated is always (99.9%) fatal
Unusual
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In a message dated 6/9/2005 8:35:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
and what about imom?
Last I heard, sadly, IMOM was in financial straits and
was not able to help as much as before
In a message dated 6/9/2005 8:35:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
many
clinics have "help" funds too
And there IS another group that helps, I believe I
read about it on this list..
Maybe check archives.
Patti
In a message dated 6/9/2005 11:50:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From the little I
looked around, I think its not at all uncommon for shelters to be
closed
Had to reply to this commentHow
sad if true where you may be located!
A CLOSED DOOR POLICY
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Michelle,
Oh, I have been praying for you and Bramble, and I just
can't imagine how much you are going thru... We have all been there, but
everyone's own reactions/emotions, though quite similar are still "unique"
for
Title: AOL Email
Tonya,
Have you directed him to "Angel's
Gate"? That's right on the Island, only about an hour, or so
away.
Susan may take their age into
consideration agree to take them...
(My Felix was
19)
All
Title: AOL Email
In a message dated 6/10/2005 9:47:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The ASPCA in New York
City has a Seniors for Seniors program.
-Original
Title: AOL Email
In a
message dated 6/10/2005 1:24:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
how the sanctuary where i lived/worked handled taking in
cats:we did NOT list a street address anywhere, for reasons i've
In a message dated 6/10/2005 10:32:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Didn't
notice where he is located but could possibly arrange to fly to
get.
In Bronx,
NY
In a message dated 6/10/2005 10:29:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Has anyone contacted this man via e-mail with this
info advice?
Someone really should forward ALL info to
him.
Patti
Tonya,
Accept my apologies for not reading ALL posts in
order!
I should
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Jenn,
Yes, Periactin, also known as
cyproheptadine is used commonly as an appetite
stimulant.
I have used it many times, and
more often than not, it DOES increase appetite.
Patti
Yep, Spalding
Prob make trip down to finally visit shelter! (Prob be
heartbreaking too!)
That's the shelter I got my precious Felv+ Ethan
from.
Patti
In a message dated 6/12/2005 2:24:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't
mean to scare you, but it could be FIP.
Michelle,
Some years ago, one of my "fosters"
developed a very high fever of unknown origin
She was small too, but my vet did advise
rubbing
In a message dated 6/12/2005 9:33:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well I'm glad you're taking one from there. I can't believe we have
so many places here that still gas. It's pathetic.
Yeah, and Kentucky let's the "inmates" they use as their staff
SHOOT the
How old are the kittens?
We NEVER let orphans nurse from another lactating mom
cat.
Always too afraid to risk it, since I don't think testing at
that age is reliable...
I definitely would go the bottle route. I know, probably NOT
what you wanted to hear, but better safe than sorry.
The 24 hour emergency clinic I
worked at always (98%) had blood plasma on
hand.
In a couple of instances, there were
"donors" (cat/dog) readily available.
My vet has used his own dog as a
donor for my Bear, when he was struggling w/ hemolytic
anemia.
And, at 138 lbs., Bear had multiple
Gloria,
So sorry about Sunshine.
At least for her last week she was given proper care and lots
of love!
Sleep softly, Sunshine.
Patti
My heart goes out to all of you who have lost a furbaby. There
have been too many names added to the list, so sad.
I have not been very active in posting since I moved and I
have had my hands full myself. But I have tried to keep up with reading
posts.
Belinda,
Please add my Felix to the
Shelia,
Thank you for your kind words and prayers.
The past few years have been tremendously difficult times for
me..
My health problems have forced me into "early retirement", but
I have finally been granted SSDI.
I believe everyone has a "purpose" in life. I've always
believed mine was
Kerry ALL you WONDERFUL, COMPASSINATE FELV LIST
MEMBERS,
PLEASE be assured, I have NO intentions of leaving
this list!
When I say. "YOU ARE ALL TRUELY THE MOST WONERFUL, SUPPORTIVE
GROUP OF PEOPLE I HAVE EVER come in contact with, I
meanthatfrom the bottom of my heart!!!
I could
Dear Kerry,
De nada
And BIG hugs back to you too!
Patti
I just wanted to take the time to give Belinda the recognition
thanks she deserves for being "The Angel" amongst us in our
group
The time, energy and love she puts into maintaing our CLS site
is incredible!
It certainly takes a "very special someone" to keep up with
all the losses,
Nina,
Aztithromycin (zithromax) is VERY similar to
Doxy.
BOTH are anti-bacteriels, habe NO effect on viral
infections, and BOTH can lead to a resistancy after prolonged
use
We have used both for mainly URI's, but we did learn
from our veterinary opthamologist that zthromax is VERY
In a message dated 9/2/2005 3:25:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
PS. You have to take the azithromyacin for a long time, Bailey
was on it for 6 or 8 weeks can't remember exactly but it was a long
time.
WOW!! That IS a long time..
We never used it for more than
My holistic vet had Ethan on "Bioplasma", A Hylands
product,(which dissolve IMMEDIATELY in mouth!! A BIG PLUS!!)available at
most mom popo type natural food stores. (He also put the kittens
recovering from ditemper anemia on it.And I HAVE noticed a great
improvement w/ them!)
He also
Tad,
You are a very special person, very FEW people will take
on the responsibility of a senior cat, let alone a Felv+ senior.
It sounds as though her time with you was very "special" and
she was loved, and knew itThat's SO important for these "castaways"of our
society.
It is wonderful
Terri,
From what I've read about these poor babies their mouth
problems, it sounds that it could possibly be calici virus, which is quite
common in kittens w/ compromised immune systems. The calici virus has been
linked to a reaction from vaccinations, and Felv+/FIV+ kittens are most prone
Nina,
You're welcomeI hope you can find something holistic to
help Grace...
I am going to e-mail you off list anyway (in response to your
touching e-mail about Felix Rescue.)
I'll include some great books for referance and some of the
best online holistic sources...
Hugs,
Patti
Terri,
I'm glad to hear that the little one's seem to be improving
It's just so weird that calici virus almost ALWAYS shows up AFTER
vaccines
And, I understand what you are saying about steroids. I know there are
times when they can be very beneficial.
My friend's husband has MS
With my distemper kittens, my holistic vet gave me basically the same
recipe.
We started the kits out w/ colustrum w/ olive leaf extract, and now, since
the girls are doing so well, we have continued w/ the recipe, in addition to
sarting them on a "raw diet", basically lamb brown
In a message dated 9/19/05 11:38:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Try Feliway spray with your feral cat. It has worked
wonders with the ones I have taken in.
Thanks, I am using the Feliway Spray, along w/ daily Rescue
Remedy.
I DO think it has helped, but
We always waited something like 45-48 days after first contact, then
followed up w/ 2 more tests, after waiting 30 day intervals.
We also isolated the cat(s) exposed until after coming up w/THREE
negative results...
I'm not exactly sure where or who set this protocol, just passing
on the
Dr. Glickstein, out of Philly, comes to Lancaster area and does pro bono
for our shelter.
He is a vet. opth.
For our Felv+ and FIV+ guys who had a HORRIBLE time w/ the Herpes virus in
the eyes, he Rx'd Zithromax and used that in conjunction w/ the
intranasal/intraocular FVRCP.
I am trying to
Yes, this was "Pre" Lysine days
Now, Lysine is a regular part of the regiment, especially w/ the cats that
seem to have "chronic" problems.
Good Luck w/ your babies.
Patti
One absolutely fantastic method to get fleas OFF the cat carpets,
etc.,is to lay a "WHITE" sheet in middle of room.
In center of room, place a bowl w. liquid dish detergent. (Joy is the
preferred, but since it is A PG product, I have subbed w/ a "cruelty free
detergent", that works just as
One more thing ~~~
It's only 6:15 AM here in the soggy, pouring down rain, edge of a good 'ole
N'easter hitting us FULL BLAST, BUT
Just heard from one of my very best friends here with whom I network
do rescue with, and she's been busy during the last 24 hours, getting in
touch w/
In a message dated 10/7/05 2:40:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I
have switched from albon to baycox for coccidia. treat once repeat in
5 days much better. firmer stools in 24 hours. I get a lot of
coccidia from the pounds
True, it all depends on PROPER
In a message dated 10/7/05 2:52:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Baycox
was developed for pigeons...but I really appreciate the warning. Rescue
is s hard when they are on 10 day albon and sometimes by time I get them
(from the pound)they have had it so
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