To be fair (I guess), Finale has *always* had problems in its first releases.
This is why I never adopt new versions before the maintenance release. Long ago
I began thinking of the cycle starting in Jan. rather than July. It is a simple
matter of prudence.
Also, I don't think the marketing dep
> -Original Message-
>
> What aspects of layout are fixed by forking the file before you
> extract parts?
>
It allows you to edit the score for extraction without affecting your clean
score. These edits are likely to be
1. Preprocessing (e.g., TGTools Smart Explosion).
2. Cues.
3. Head
> -Original Message-
> From: Brad Beyenhof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> In my earlier reply I neglected to mention this, which is a big issue
> for me as well.
>
The examples Brad and I have given for using an intermediate (and temporary)
copy of the score for part extraction seem to
forked score only lives during the preparation of the
parts. Then it dies.
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. In that case, perhaps the "parts score" has some value. But
for my work I can't see it.
I always delete my "parts score" as soon as I have extracted the last
part, to avoid any confusion that I might need to keep it up to date.
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> every now and then I find it beneficial to
> re-extract the parts.
Once I have extracted a part, I still have to invest a huge amount of time in
it, mainly for page layout, page turns, and tweaking the music spacing.
(Another big item is that I often concatenate extracted results from severa
Johannes Gebauer
>
> Wouldn't it be easier to do this in the Parts-Score, ie once, instead of
> for every part?
In theory, perhaps. In practice, I don't trust Copy/Insert well enough. (It has
many bugs and omissions, even in Fin06 which I still don't use.) There are some
other obstacles as wel
Johannes Gebauer
> (About JW Space Systems)
> The
> only difference is the extra options for extra page margins, which can
> avoid rounding errors which still happen occasionally (with both JW and
> the built int tool).
But that is precisely its power. The ability to provide extra margins combi
ating.
There are some workarounds, but not general ones. What I'm say here is
that if you'll share your specific example, we might be better able to
offer a workaround.
(The list consensus is correct. There is no way to apply beaming options
locally, more's the pity.)
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.
Does anyone know if ATI makes a card for the new PMs?
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> I just cannot understand why they didn't do this about 3 months
> ago,...
3 months ago they may not have known whether they could feasibly deliver a
universal binary. You can't just decide these things in a vacuum. Before you
make an announcement like this, you have to prove to yourself you
>
> True, but in the 6 months until 2007 ships, one must wonder if they will
> ship a Universal Binary version of 2006
You may wonder, but I don't. Although I have no insider knowledge about it, I
do not hold out any hope of a Fin2006 universal binary.
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> I know for a fact that it lost them at least one potential customer.
>
one (apparently) childish potential customer, ne.
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would actually probably do it with 4 text
exps that all default the correct place H relative to "Start of Time
Sig" and V relative to Staff Reference line.
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notehead, or whole-note?
Spot on. Spaces and Notehead width. (I think it is the width of a
quarter note head, but that I don't know for sure.)
I used to have a book on this (I think I had it from some library), but
I cannot remember much of it.
Johannes
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beams.
Robert Patterson wrote:
Finale uses the EDU, which is both relative and a fixed unit. As a
relative unit, 24 EDU is equal to a space.
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>
> copy-paste between documents doesn't copy everything,
Are you talking about meas-attached shapes here? Is that what Fin06 doesn't
copy that prior versions did copy? I had hoped MM was gonna restore that in a
maintenance release, but perhaps not, huh?
For me the biggest loss of functionalit
On Windows, the shift key is what bypasses dialogs, but it isn't nearly so
convenient as the cmd key on Mac. For example (as of the last time I checked,
c. WinFin03), if you hit shift-enter on Win when designing/assigning a text
expression, it okays all *except the last* dialog box. (On Mac, cmd
A more interesting question for clefs with CB is whether to continue to notate
them 8vb below sounding pitch. This can be a quite difficult choice. A note
that has excessive leger lines in 8vb bass clef can be too low in at-pitch
tenor or treble.
My understanding is that professional bass playe
e are playing Corigliano "Fantasy on an Ostinato".
There was some confusion about the correct octave for a very high bass
harmonic that I suspect was due to this issue.
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Does any version of Finale run on 10.1? I seem to recall that Fin04
would not run on anything earlier than 10.2.
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I was dinged with this when I was in graduate school by a prefessor who was a
stickler for correct Italian. I resisted his advice.
Personally, I think you should have recourse to an English language dictionary
that you trust. If the word is in there, you certainly may use it without
Italian inf
I have a plugin that helps for this: Copyist's Helper.
> -Original Message-
> From: John Bell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2006 09:18 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: [Finale] Instrument names
>
> In orchestral parts, what's the best way to get the instrument na
-derived musical terms are now as surely part of English as
"karaoke" is. (That word has an interesting cross-cultural history,
having bounced back and forth across the pond a couple times to reach
its current usage.)
On the other hand, if you a
Sorry I haven't been reading this thread, but I noticed someone mentioned that
old blowhard Dvorak. Since when has he ever been right? (I admit, though, that
he is often entertaining.)
If anything, the software distinctions are being utterly erased. I am looking
at a DVD this very minute that w
Darcy:
> However, he had been predicting
> Apple's imminent switch to Intel every other column for the past ten
> years. And, of course, when it finally happened, he took it to be the
No he hadn't. I think it was more like 20 years.
About the Mac Mini screen rotation, my hopes are not high.
Darcy asked whether it has built-in screen rotation. Answer: yes.
Mine is the lowest end one in the minimum configuration. I'm connected
to my LCD thru its analog VGA input, but it is running the full
1920x1200 resolution.
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it will end up.
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few
seconds at a time. Very cool.
Robert Patterson wrote:
I just tried the remote. I have to say, the remote is an amazing example
of parsimonious design. Apple is doing for the remote control what they
did for the music player.
That said, I can't get it to do one thing that I would li
moot with MacIntel. No more Classic.
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not expect that to change with introduction of Vista.
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tiple
monitors. (You see how much they've listened.)
Phil Daley wrote:
At 03:37 PM 3/10/2006, Robert Patterson wrote:
>In a world of multiple monitor setups, MDI is an abomination (at least
>the framing window part). I wish WinFin offered an SDI option.
Oh, interesting poin
With regards to proper long slurs, Finale can't do them, and it is perhaps the
only remaining missing feature that cannot be achieved practically by any means
using any workaround. We simply have to live without right now (and apparently
the foreseeable future, unless Sib. adds them). :-( The on
y or difficult it is to
implement.
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:07 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] TAN: Slurs on long, tied notes
>
> At 08:44 PM 3/16/06 +, R
to adjust them
manually in page view.
I could not fix exactly in which case it happens, it seems to happen at
random.
Any hints?
Thank you
Marc
Marc
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engraver took the trouble to write a book about it before the art
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you could as for. Once could hardly call it a "rule", especially since
earlier chapters are much more prescriptive in tone.
Much of Ross requires an understanding of the context within which he
wrote, and I think this is especially true of the A appendix.
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the USB
interface causes it to go gray in AMS, and I then have to reboot.
Has anyone else seen this? It's the main reason I still use Fin05.
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I'm using a Roland A-37, which sends active sensing messages, but nothing like
the flooding I see when I playback in Fin06.
> -Original Message-
> From: Karen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 09:01 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Continual midi pr
hoven to emerge. Whether
such emergence is important I leave as an exercise for the reader.
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e stuff on their music
player. They did, but I think I kept my cool. I suppose this too shall
pass. It is easy for me to say, since in real life I'm not an actual parent.
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ve not tried to
load it myself. This is a hacked version of OSX, and it is probably
illegal, but it is definitely out there.
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 07.04.2006 Phil Daley wrote:
Except, of course, that it can already be done.
infos, please.
Johannes
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ldn't appear on Mythbusters.
-Scot Hanna-Weir
On 4/10/06 10:58 AM, "Robert Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Does anyone have the sheet music? If the printed lyrics show no
difference in spelling, I could at least conceive that it might be true.
If the lyrics spell out the
So far, the comments on this thread have glossed over one of the annoyances of
combining movements into a single file: abbreviated staff names. For a large
instrumentation it is *really* annoying.
To get full instrument names at the beginning of movements after the first, you
have to override e
> Do you mean that my complaints about a lack of a figured bass script
> or tool will go unheeded.
ymmv
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I use 13"x20" paper that I had custom cut to order. Most paper comes in
huge industrial sizes that can be cut down, which is how print shops get
their paper. I order mine through Xpedx.
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Many of these have pretty good solutions now.
>
> Duration-linked geometric shapes.
Custom Lines cover a large number of scenarios, quite likely including an
indicator for improvised sections.
>
> More flexibility and ease of application of custom noteheads, and
> 'smart' stem connections whic
ions are for: Document Options->Stems.
Press "Stem Connections".
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I had no idea that this limitation was there. Thanks for pointing it out. I
would report it to MM as a bug.
>
> Stem connections only get applied when the notehead font has been
> changed with a staff style. Not if you change the font with the
> Notehead Tool (surely the obvious place to do so)
On 10.05.2006 D. Keneth Fowler wrote:
> Is one answer to make the barlines a bit thicker than the staff lines?
In a word, yes. Ross (p. 151) says, while acknowledging a great deal of
variation in industry practice, "...the tendency is to have barlines thick,
staff lines thinner, and stems thinne
Johannes Gebauer said:
>
> You are obviously not aware of the current situation of Mac models. This
> is not a normal situation.
It seems all too nauseatingly normal for Mac models. Apple has subjected Mac
users (of which I am one) to three (count em!) major platform shifts in the
last 12-15
Dennis wrote:
> But how old is the oldest version of Finale you can run on a 2006 Windows
> machine. And how old is the oldest version of Finale you can run on a 2006
> Mac? Platform shifts aren't a problem as long as backward compatibility is
> preserved.
>
This is such an important point. Th
David Fenton:
> The wisdom or benefit or downside of breaking backward compatibility
> aside, there is just no comparison at all between Microsoft and
> Apple.
I find myself in complete agreement with David Fenton on this point. I should
add that breaking backwards comptibility is great for dev
I don't understand how can there can be any argument about the level of
backwards compatibility on the 2 platforms. I've used both, and there is no
comparison.
Asking, "why would you want to do that?" is merely changing the subject. Posts
along those lines, while perhaps interesting, are not on
Leave it to David Fenton to argue with me when I'm agreeing with him.
Nevertheless, I said what I meant, and meant what I said, and I know at least
as much about the subject as he does.
> The transition from 16-bit to 32-bit was a big deal.
True, but not so much for the 16-bit apps themselves.
> There
> has to be a point where you tell the users "Look, on these NEW
> computers, your old software might not run.
I suspect someday that day will come for Windows. So far it has not and shows
no signs of it.
This argument begs the question, though. The issue under discussion is whether
David Fenton:
> That may be, but the comments you made applied only to the Win9x
> kernel and not to the NT kernel.
>
Sez you.
> I don't see why that was not possible for Apple to have done
> the same thing,
Sometime have a look at Inside Macintosh Vols 1-3, which describe the API up
thru S
ies upgrading 2.x files.
I figure PDF has about as much shelf-life as any format is likely to.
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than you might imagine. It requires diligent inquiry and
expense. Casually printed hard-copy possibly has nearly as short a
shelf-life as CDs, although the track record for CDs is unproven.
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does it. And it also moves tuplet assignments, so if you have a lot of
interleaved tuplets, you can use it to replicate the first one you set up.
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d about it? The total duration adds up
to 16 16ths right?
I still feel fairly certain that some combination of visible and
invisible tuplets can accomplish it without resorting to the note mover
tool.
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one bar, you should be able to copy the tuplets with
my Mass Copy plugin, assumming the rhythm is always the same.
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
At 03:07 PM 5/29/06 -0500, Robert Patterson wrote:
I went back and read the original post, and I guess I don't understand
you requirement. What&#x
notes are supported.)
You may be better of with note positioning. My Mass Copy plugin can move
them.
Robert Patterson wrote:
So why not enter the whole thing on an underlying tuplet of 1680 64th
(1680=7x5x3x16) in the time of 64 64ths? The denominator doesn't matter,
but I picked the sm
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Until Finale 2007 become available, the Mac Universal feature of the
plugins will not be much use, because Finale 2006 (or earlier) can't run
in native mode. Also, it doesn't mean much unless you have an
Intel-based Mac.
Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:22 AM, Robert Pa
w Stiller wrote:
Plugins aside, 2K7 will also run on pre-intel Macs, yes?
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Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
TEN HUT!
Salute Major Patterson! :-)
Sorry, I never made it past Staff Seargent in Army ROTC. I guess I've
been impersonating an officer. :-(
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Apropos of our thread a couple of weeks back, here's a long article on the
topic of Window and backwards compatibilty. The author definitely has an axe to
grind, and many will disagree with him on certain points, including me.
The most intersting part is his account of how Windows came to be so
No one has mentioned this here, so I thought I would pass the word. Ligeti
passed away on Monday. The details are at this link:
http://www.schott-music.com/news/komponistennews/show,3336.html
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Darcy:
> Okay, I tried hiding the notes manually (with the "O" key), but then
> they don't play back!!! Argghh.
>
After hiding, have you tried then turning on the Playback bit in the Frame
Attributes dialog? (A big pain, but if it works it might be viable.)
_
id, my Mass Copy plugin and my Settings Scrapbook plugin both
provide clipboard-like functionality. They may already accomplish some
of what you need, if not quite as elegantly as drag-and-drop would.
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ss clef.
Opinions?
Andrew Stiller
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> I don't know of much RECENT music written for alto-tenor-bass orchestra
> sections, though that was overwhelmingly the case from Haydn up to
> Tchakovsky or so.
Are you sure Tchaik wanted alto trombone? Generally, my impression is that alto
trombone went out of fashion towards the end of
attitude as it is axe.
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Steven Gruver wrote:
> Does anybody know when Finale 2007 will be released?
If 07 is like past releases, many people outside Makemusic probably know what
will be in Fin07, but few if any know when it will be released.
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Owain Sutton:
> Put me in the cynic camp
>
Oh come on. Fin07 offers perhaps the single biggest enhancement in the history
of the product (linked parts) and all anyone can think of is to whine about the
peripheral stuff?
> "Authorization Improvements" are NOT a feature.
>
Just to be clear
> I'm not sure how useful I would find the feature.
>
David, I think you might be surprised how useful linked parts may turn out to
be even with limitations. The staff style for hiding cues mentioned by others
on this thread is a relatively simple solution for cues, since it need only be
appli
> I don't think
> I can optimise a staff on a particular page if it has this staff style
> applied, which would be an issue. Is there a way around that?
>
Using TGTools, you can optimize any staff no matter what's on it. I can't
imagine doing staff optimization w/o TGTools, esp. for large numbe
>
> I use some of TGTools' features constantly, but not this one!
In case you haven't already figured it out, I was referring to the Staff List
Manager. (The name is misleading, but it is really about staff optimization.)
Not only can you include or exclude staves by checking a checkbox, you c
agree with me! I'll let
you know what they say.
John
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see where it would be less useful since the sources
(and interest) would be so limited.
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t it seems arguably as or
more reliable than many other encyclopedias. I think this is the only
standard by which we can judge it.
I agree that it must be quite aggravating if he can't correct his own
birthday. But I bet it eventually will be correct.
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If you are serious about obtaining professional results from large-format
printing, consider the Elite XL from www.gccprinters.com or the Accel-a-Writer
from www.xante.com.
Both are laser printers that print on paper up to 12x20 or larger. You'll pay
more, but you get hi-res 1200x1200 line-prin
Dean Eastabrook:
>
> This anecdote is more than telling inre American attitude towards
> quality in our lives. It is no surprise to me that what America most
> idolizes is the lowest common denominator.
>
Careful, careful. About all you can garner from the anecdote is that "American
Idol" id
1.0.7. Perhaps it is time to move up to QuickKeys.
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r e-mail that you're using a
pre-2007 version (?) with your Intel mini. Do you experience any noticeable
slowdowns under Rosetta?
TIA.
-- Mike
On 7/28/06 2:13 PM, "Robert Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I never got off of iKey version 1.0.7, since version 2.x was so r
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That's odd. It works here. Click on the Tech Tips FAQ link at my site
and go to the OSX section.
Darcy James Argue wrote:
Hi Robert,
The link you gave appears to be dead.
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I have no idea what Sibelius's customer service is like now, but this merger
probably dooms it. Digidesign is notorious for hating its customers. It
requires unrealistically narrow configurations, fails to support core
technologies (like Quicktime) except on their (limited) terms, uses a
propri
;t done it in a while. (Probably not since before I switched to
OS X.)
Now when I print, I just get the crappy preview. Not the actual EPS. Any
tips?
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> I just tried this in 2k6, OS X 10.4.7 and it worked just fine. Naturally
> it will only print the postscript on PS printers.
What I've discovered is that if I use Finale to print the file, then the EPS
prints correctly. However, if I use Finale to print to a PDF (using built-in
tool
Steve Fiskum:
> I believe this has been fixed in 2007! Most of the EPS issues have been
> fixed in 2007 (at least on the MAC side, I'm not sure about Windows). PDFs
> coming out perfect with either built-in PDF creator or Acrobat distiller.
>
I would like to believe this is true. However, I was
use Acrobat 5 for.)
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there is something about this the OS doesn't like.
Mark Blumberg wrote:
Have you looked at PDF Lab?
http://www.iconus.ch/fabien/pdflab/
Best,
Mark
On Aug 8, 2006, at 3:54 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
B) an alternate free or dirt-cheap way to combine multiple PDFs
into one file. (T
>
> I used to have problems with any PDF created by the OS (or Preview), and
> eventually got PStill.
Thanks for the suggestion.
My specific problem is that some characters from some fonts are dropped.
Specifically, the treble-clef (Maestro) in the EPS and some of the characters
from an Adobe
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
http://www.monkeybreadsoftware.de/Freeware/CombinePDFs.shtml
FWIW:
Unlike PDFLab, this tool combines the pages such that Adobe Reader
displays it correctly.
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