>>>>> "David" == David R Morrison writes:
David> What about perl? Should we bring perl 5.8.8 forward, or leave it
David> out?
http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl5.porters/2008/11/msg141328.html
5.8.x is EOLed already. 2.5 years ago.
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"man X" ->
The X Consortium requests that the following names be used
when referring to this software:
X
X Window System
X Version 11
X Window System,
e without the server running.
Although it is monday morning, so I may not be following this very
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the reason I'm bringing it here is that the Fink X11 FAQ needs
to be updated with the answer, whatever it is.
If I get an answer from the x11 list first, I'll forward it here. But
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else. Pressing "delete" should back up.
And how would you do that programmatically?
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>>>>> "Jeremy" == Jeremy Erwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Jeremy> On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 02:04 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>>
>> Here's my first post:
>>
>> OK, as the first order of the day, how do I get my &
It's in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
No, that one starts twm, not quartz-wm, and also launches
an xclock and two xterms.
Where's the one that launches only quartz-wm and a single xterm?
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XEmacs,
pressing delete deletes one character to the left.
So, that's what needs to go into the Fink X11 FAQ: "How to have
the delete key in Apple X11 work like Xdarwin". Can someone
who has FAQ authority please copy this there?
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And now to through Yet Another Monkey Wrench In, we
have...
http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/
so we need a dummy package that says "I have Apple's X11 Server
installed".
Unless that's already completely and accurately described by something
else on the list.
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perl58, and that those
David> will be called by name when the perl module is compiled. (So these
David> packages may have "BuildDepends: perl56" or "BuildDepends: perl58".)
Again, the convention for this is that /sw/bin/perl should link
to the "active" perl.
say "fink remove foo-and-anything-that-depends-on-it"?
I can do it from dselect, but sometimes I don't like that interface.
No, s/sometimes/nearly always/, s/don't like/hate/.
It'd be nice to have "fink recursive-remove foo".
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endencies on foo (and thus is no different
than dpkg -r foo, which I've also used). Is this some knowledge you
bring from practical use or some secret document?
Unfortunately, I don't have anything I want to recursively remove
right now, or I would have just tried it.
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-parser-pm maintainer to also provide a dummy
system-html-parser-pm, so I'm hoping there's a more sane global
solution to that. Maybe there could be one large "system-perl" that
provides all the perl requirements for every package. Or maybe
just an entry in the config
as naive compilers that simply want
access to cool Unix binaries for OSX.
What's the next step?
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h OSX.
It is to *those* people whom I address the question - how can
fink play nicely with a self-installed Perl installation? Something
"system-MUMBLE"-ish should work, but will require the support
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I want the core "fink" tool to understand this relationship.
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eremy> this shouldn't be too difficult to implement :)
Hmm. My earlier proposal to rewrite Fink from the ground up would
certainly tackle this. Unfortunately, I'm recovering from a Q3 and Q4
loss, so every odd ounce of time I've got is spent doing marketing and
sales right now so th
gex in this list, to you could put something like:
Ben> IgnorePackages: "openssl.*", ".*-pm", "tetex.*"
Oooh, that would work, as long as new packages follow the right pattern.
It'd have to go into the "fink bible" about what pattern your package
FILE <<"END";
Package: system-perlmodules
Version: 1.0
Revision: @{[time]}
Description: Placeholder for self-installed Perl Modules
Maintainer: Randal L. Schwartz
Provides: $PACKAGELIST
Conflicts: $PACKAGELIST
Replaces: $PACKAGELIST
Type: bundle
>>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Randal> Actually, on second thought, I should "conflicts: (everything)" but
Randal> "provides: (only the modules I actually have installed)".
Randal> Maybe for version 2. :
>>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Randal> Actually, on second thought, I should "conflicts: (everything)" but
Randal> "
>>>>> "Max" == Max Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Max> One of the last changes to speed up re-index causes a regression. Now
Max> if I enter e.g. "fink list -o" when my index is dirty, I get this:
Max> fink list -o
What's "
>>>>> "Justin" == Justin Hallett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Justin> try fink list --help
Ahh, another *undocumented* feature.
Try finding *that* in either "man fink" or "fink --help". It's not there.
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ither "man fink" or
Ben> "fink --help". It's not there.". Saying that on the mailing list
Ben> helps noone, it won't get fixed.
It's a response to you *in* the mailing list telling me about
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e. If you mean:
my $newlibrary;
my @liblist;
my $libdir = "/usr/X11R6/lib";
then you'll have to say that. No simple addition of parens will help
you. What you're saying now is the same as leaving the second and
third "my" off, and "use strict&
mething and then (rightfully) gets conflicts when it finds they
are already installed.
So, please update or outdate bundle-tetex and system-tetex and
tetex-macosx soon. For all of us. :)
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>>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Randal> You didn't mention that "bundle-tetex" is now severely broken. It is.
Randal> It wants to install things that aren't provided by tetex-base, except
Randal> that th
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iled: Can't resolve dependency "openssl097-shlibs" for package
"sitecopy-ssl-0.11.4-6" (no matching packages/versions found)
Just recently, that is.
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borosx for a window manager *but* retain all
the cool features of X11.app?
Neat!
I greatly prefer oroborosx to quartz-wm.
Ugh. How do you uninstall X11.app? :)
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expands the pattern, then hands each item to ls, which says "yup,
that's a file already". Why did you use ls? :)
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Per
it means. Nor would I even know where to go
to find out the docs for it. Nor would I expect the docs to be there
given the previous experience with other undocumented parts of
fink. :(
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What's doing that?
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Randal> I'm using the CVS tip of fink... lately, I've been getting failures to
Randal> download that end up trying to download something with "master:" in
Randal> the front.
the problem. everything works fine for
Chris> me with this package like it is.
Try removing the source from /sw/src, and then "fink fetch-missing".
All hades breaks loose.
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that still shouldn't cause an infinite loop.
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ng ;) about it.
And so it's been broken for a week for everyone, and there's no
end to the breakage in sight? How is anyone getting anything done?
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ILE;
rename "$INFO_FILE.tmp", $INFO_FILE
or die "Cannot rename $INFO_FILE.tmp to $INFO_FILE: $!";
print "Installing new version...\n";
system "fink", "install", "system-perlmodules";
This ensures that fink won't try to
bound, which means that the choice of language should
be made based on cost of development, not raw speed. Even having said
that, you can always optimize Perl, usually even staying within Perl,
but sometimes by popping into C, which is easy with Inline::C.
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han rewriting
Max> everything from scratch, so I am still skeptic.
You should look into DBD::SQLite then... a complete SQL engine with
transactions, subselects, views, etc... but without the server
running! The entire engine is included in the DBD::SQLite distro.
It's really rather remarkab
>>>>> "Hisashi" == Hisashi T Fujinaka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Hisashi> On Sun, 20 Jul 2003, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>> If there's any part of the Perl programming that is too slow, please
>> demonstrate it with benchmarks.
Hisashi> Re
in /sw/bin. If they
aren't, put them in /sw/lib/$PACKAGENAME, and be sure to invoke them
in a way that /sw works if replaced by something else.
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pends on X11 can be a royal pain.
I can upgrade nearly anything else without using --force-depends
though. Only X11 did I have to go "below the hood".
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Michael> my @installed = map { /^\s +i \s+ (\S+)/x; $1 }
Danger danger danger. If that doesn't match, you get the previous
$1. NEVER NEVER NEVER use $1 except when qualified as the condition
of a match.
Michael> grep /^\s+i /, `fink list -i`;
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Hmm. On the rsync update this morning, fink was updated, said something
about switching to 10.3, and now my 5000 packages are down to 800.
Did the latest update get rid of "unstable"? I can't remember where
I enabled that.
Or is the Right Thing Happening?
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er!". Ugh.
Thus, be careful how you do the packaging for fink perl packages...
it's not just version number here. It's versionnumber plus threads,
and no upward compatibility at the binary level.
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on't know about threads vs non-threads but
Michael> binary compatibility should be preserved in the 5.8.x series between
Michael> similarly configured Perls. Otherwise something's really broken.
Threads are not compatible with non-threads. And the word "should"
is of
xplanet-0.95-12.info".
WARNING: Unable to parse the line "GCC 3.3" in
"/sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/finkinfo/games/grhino-0.7.0-11.info".
Updating package index... done.
Are these wanted, expected, known, fixable, hurting anything?
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Martin> None of the above: Already fixed, about a week ago.
Define "already fixed". I just self-updated, and I'm still getting it.
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>>>>> "Martin" == Martin Costabel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Martin> Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>>>>>>> "Martin" == Martin Costabel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Martin> None of the above: Already fixed, about a week ago.
&g
nown 386 Oct 21 08:11
/sw/fink/10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11/xplanet-0.95-12.patch
-rw-r--r--1 merlyn unknown 1813 Nov 8 02:36
/sw/fink/10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11/xplanet.info
-rw-r--r--1 merlyn unknown 410 Nov 8 02:36
/sw/fink/10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11/xp
artin> honor --delete-after?
% which rsync
/sw/bin/rsync
% fink list rsync
Information about 1977 packages read in 2 seconds.
i rsync2.5.5-1 Synchronize filesystems between hosts
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ERY different. Deleted many things.
No errors either, now.
OK... that's the problem. The "rsync" package in fink is broken.
Please make a note of that.
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>>>>> "Don" == Don McKenzie Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Don> [82-69-15-218:~] donpaul% which rsync
Don> /sw/bin/rsync
Yes, this does seem to be the culprit now.
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k/10.2/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-system/system-xfree86.info
/sw/fink/10.2-gcc3.3/stable/main/finkinfo/x11-system/system-xfree86.info
Nothing in 10.3!
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r: XFree86 4.2.x and Apple X11 beta 3
i system-xfree86-43 4.3-3 Placeholder: XFree86 4.3.x and Apple X11 1.0
i system-xfree86-upgrade 1.0-1 (place-holder package for upgrading broken
installs)
How do I get the -dev ? I upgraded 10.2 to 10.3, installing in-place.
Do I ne
etect the one you've got.
Ahh, it doesn't show a -dev, like yours did, but "fink install gtk+2"
seems happy.
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mitted get tested to ensure the sources are
available for at least part of the time? Or is this a rogue package
wanting this source?
Also, is there any easy way to see which package wants a particular source?
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xfree86.info file is broken - mentioning xc-20031117.tar.bz2 which
as far as I can tell never existed anywhere. :(
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Perl
s better. I'll switch it to that.
The difference would be that $(PWD) will insert the PWD variable
or PWD envar known to Make, while $$PWD will defer that to the
shell as $PWD. You'd see the difference in:
cd /etc; echo $(PWD)
vs
cd /etc; echo $$PWD
Which one
t without.
Any scheme you come up with must have the arch tag in there somewhere.
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one you have installed...)
It's still dangerous to collapse those. Better to build the newer
Perl that also looks at older directories, than to collapse the old
and new directories.
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area, and since I have local first, it would shadow the ones
defined later. Apparently that's not the case.
Do I really have to blow away the unstable versions just so that
it sees the stable versions? My next rsync update will then
re-upgrade me. Ugh.
Why isn't the order of Tre
ilt nearly the world, and still got the same problem.
Also, "tethereal" works, so it's definitely something only in the display
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/usr/lib/libz.1.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1.0.0)
time stamp 1064385339 Tue Sep 23 23:35:39 2003
And it still crashes. :(
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Perhaps that should be one of the choices in "fink configure".
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nk fetch fink-mirrors
This doesn't work. I still get "no mirror site list found for mirror 'master'".
Help!
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>>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>>> "Martin" == Martin Costabel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Martin> I am now trying to find a way out of this by
Randal> Arggh. I just got bit by this too!
Mar
>>>>> "Martin" == Martin Costabel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Martin> Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>>>>>>> "Martin" == Martin Costabel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Martin> I am now trying to find a way out of this by
>>
uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at
/sw/lib/perl5/Fink/SelfUpdate.pm line 633.
Updating using rsync failed. Check the error messages above.
And it's a different number after ".VERSION" every time.
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>>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Randal> And it's a different number after ".VERSION" every time.
Ahh, the problem seemed to be that /sw/fink was owned by root,
not merlyn. Not sure how it got that way, but what
Did something change? Am I doing it wrong again?
This started about a week ago, if I recall.
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>>>>> "Darian" == Darian Lanx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Darian> Even though I am a bit scared to say so (The name Randal L. Schwartz
Darian> does call for respect ya' know?!).
Darian> Unless you intend to have all of the tree around
Darian>
calhost:~] merlyn%
Yes, I really do call my hostname "localhost". :)
...
Now what?
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>>>>> "Rob" == Rob Braun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Rob> On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 12:13:40PM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>>
>> During "fink selfupdate-cvs", I'm seeing a series of 10.3/unstable/...
>> entries (scrolling
d seem to work.
Yes. As a test, I just compiled "ethereal-ssl" (rather than the "ethereal"
I had installed), and all worked fine.
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Pe
e past day or two) tried it from my
comcast.net address and an address in SAVVIS space. In both cases,
the curl just starts, but will sit there for 3-5 minutes before I
Ctrl-C it. And I can't ping that host from either of my two hosts,
and a traceroute stops short beore I get there.
Whatever
rtin> flag.
Oh whew! I thought it was just me for a moment! Thanks for the
workaround... I'm fetching the file now with /usr/bin/curl. But this
won't help the next guy.
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I haven't seen any .info files updated at all for the past two days.
Did everyone go home? :)
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>>>>> "Benjamin" == Benjamin Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Benjamin> Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>> I haven't seen any .info files updated at all for the past two days.
>> Did everyone go home? :)
Benjamin> it might be my rss feed is actin
>>>>> "Martin" == Martin Costabel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Martin> On 1 avr. 2004, at 14:36, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>>>> Did everyone go home? :)
>>
Benjamin> it might be my rss feed is acting up... I've seen updates...
e it's visible to a LOT of people
using 0.19.2. How fair is that? I'm going to get errors EVERY TIME I
run fink (usually daily) until fink is updated to 0.20. How soon is
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Has that ever existed? Who needs to fix this? And how
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>>>>> "Peter" == Peter O'Gorman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Peter> Yeah, it was the top news item on fink's home page for a while. It is
Peter> still on the front page though.
Thanks... you mean I have to read the news? :) :)
Downloading now.
this someone else's (urgent) problem?
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>>>>> "David" == David R Morrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
David> An update: SourceForge has now responded, and is fixing the problem.
David> -- Dave
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file or directory
[ec_manuf.c:manuf_init:126]
Cannot open etter.finger.mac
That looks like some major missing install stuff. But is it just me?
Should I retry building other stuff?
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I didn't see any reply on this... no comment?
>>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Randal> The most recent ettercap seems to be broken. Is it just me?
Randal> Trying even the first example of the manpage:
Randal>
ources that are nowhere to be found on the net, or at least not at
the places in the mirror list?
Or am I just using bad mirror settings?
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d, or old ones
used instead.
### execution of /sw/bin/apt-get failed, exit code 100
Did someone break something at sourceforge? Why the 403's?
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k package manager
i fink-mirrors0.24.3.1-1 Mirror infrastructure
i fink-prebinding 0.7.1-2 Tools for enabling prebinding in Fink
How long before fink-mirrors goes to 24.4.1 ? (Note, I'm not using
unstable.)
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Looks like some postgres things were rolled over, but now
we're missing libgeos2. Is that in unstable, and if so, should
it not already be promoted so that postgres8 can build?
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for package
"xml-parser-pm581-2.34-14", package "perl581-core" was not found.
Failed: Can't resolve dependency "perl581-core" for package
"xml-parser-pm581-2.34-14" (no matching packages/versions found)
Information about 2181 packages read
5.8.6-4 The Perl programming language, v. 5.8.6
perl586-core 5.8.6-4 Core files for perl, v. 5.8.6
pilot-link9-... 0.11.7-2 Palm libraries perl modules
system-perl586[virtual package]
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ust for future reference.
And why isn't it more automatic?
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install.pl
Checking system... powerpc-apple-darwin8.1.0
This system was not released at the time this Fink release was made.
Prerelease versions of Mac OS X might work with Fink, but there are no
guarantees.
ln -s 10.3 /sw/fink/dists
Is this output correct? Because "fink
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