[Fis] Resetting of FIS List (Keep this message)

2018-06-04 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FISers, The message below tells that the List has to follow the recent European Law on Data Protection. It means that everyone has to confirm and give explicit consent to participate in the list. I understand that today or during next days you will receive a confirmation message

Re: [Fis] If always n>0 why we need log

2018-06-03 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Sorry Sung, you know about the rules of engagement in this list... you have gone to 5 msgs. And that means one and half weeks of sanction. Even more after having warned you privately several times. Anyhow, tomorrow I will make public an embarrassing bureaucratic procedure that the list has to

[Fis] Abiding by the rule

2018-05-25 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Participants are reminded about the limit of two messages per week--those not abiding are sanctioned offline. Best--Pedro - Pedro C. Marijuán Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es

[Fis] TOWARDS A NEW SESSION

2018-04-24 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, A very interesting discussion theme has been proposed by Mark Burgin --he will post at his early convenience. Thanks are due to Alberto for his "dataism" piece. Quite probably we will need to revisit that theme, as it is gaining increasing momentum in present "information

Re: [Fis] Is Dataism the end of classical hypothesis-driven research and the beginning of data-correlation-driven research?

2018-03-27 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Thanks Plamen, very interesting references and comments. There are many new avenues opening around data, from nasty ones (recent politics) to the economic, biomedical and scientific in general. It is a very important "information" theme of our time. Perhaps I disagree that deep learning could

Re: [Fis] Summing up: New Year Lecture

2018-01-30 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
the true nature of Nature can be fully understood. As for smaller increments, the work of Daniel Fels on electromagnetic communication between cells may hold the answer (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4793142/). Best, John On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 5:41 AM, Pedro C. Marijuan

Re: [Fis] Summing up: New Year Lecture

2018-01-24 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
;From Cholesterol to Consciousness" (see attached) so I look forward to reading your comments about that idea as well, since it has the potential to fully integrate physics and biology in my humble opinion. On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 4:01 AM, Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.e

Re: [Fis] Summing up: New Year Lecture--J.Torday

2018-01-23 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Mensaje reenviado Asunto: Re: [Fis] Summing up: New Year Lecture Fecha: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 07:02:42 -0800 De: JOHN TORDAY <jtor...@ucla.edu> Para: Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es> Dear FISers, I greatly appreciate Pedro's comments rega

[Fis] Summing up: New Year Lecture

2018-01-22 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FISers, Going to the extreme, I think this year opening lecture can be summarized in three contentious points. 1. That life's physiology is based on the conjunction of a few principles: neguentropy, chemiosmosis, and homeostasis-homeorhesis. 2. That communication (cell signaling) is

[Fis] Code Biology

2018-01-11 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FISers, this Conference in Code Biology may be of interest to some parties. It will be in beautiful Granada (Spain), next June. Although the deadline for abstract submission is too close, there would be a longer term if requested to the organizers. I hpe to see you there. Best--Pedro

Re: [Fis] New Year Lecture

2018-01-09 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Soeren and Colleagues, The symbiogenesis theme (Margulis' endosymbiotic theory) is one of the aspects to reconsider/reenter into the basically evo-info (if I may say) novissima synthesis. Margulis views were received in the 70's and 80's with tremendous hostility from the Neo-Darwinian

[Fis] Reflections on Evolution Theory, by J. S. Torday

2018-01-04 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
­Given that the archive system does not preserve the attached files, I include herewith the whole text of the NY Lecture Best--Pedro --- New Year Essay for FIS *Reflections on

[Fis] Season Greetings / Merry Christmas

2017-12-22 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, Herewith the customary Christmas scene at El Pilar Basilica of Zaragoza. It is a really beautiful place that you should visit... I promise not to be a bad amphitryon ;) As for the next sessions, we will have the traditional New Year Lecture, and then another two sessions

Re: [Fis] Social Information Structure: SOCIOTYPE

2017-12-18 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
by biological evolution)3 Let me know if you have any questions or suggestions. All the best. Sung *From:* Fis <fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es> on behalf of John Prpic <johnpr...@gmail.com> *Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2017 1:30 PM *T

[Fis] Fwd: Re: Informatics of DNA (From Sungchul)

2017-12-01 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
; were replaced by "information". Do you think is it feasible to replace all "gene" with "information" completely at last? Best wishes, Xueshan *From:*fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] *On Behalf Of *Pedro C. Marijuan *Sent:* Wedne

[Fis] Info Meta-Science?

2017-11-30 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FISers, The recent message by Sung (& Karl), and a previous one by John T. make me the impression that what they are considering becomes closer to a meta-science of information rather than to the nucleus of a possible information science discipline. Sung's and John's views are widely

[Fis] Informatics of DNA (Sungchul Ji)

2017-11-29 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Message from Sungchul Ji It was too heavy for the list server. You can see the complete version at: http://fis.sciforum.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/11/Sung_informatics-of-DNA.pdf

[Fis] some notes

2017-11-13 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear All, Herewith some notes on the exchanges of past weeks (sorry, I was away in bureaucratic tasks). 1. Agents & Information. There were very good insights exchanged; probably both terms make a fertile marriage. Actually I have been writing about "informational entities" or "subjects" as

Re: [Fis] The two very important operations of Infos

2017-10-27 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Loet and colleagues, One of the advantages of a new discipline is the simplification of discourse, the creation of a new space where you can easily build new knowledge without copious management of other unnecessary, circumstantial ideas. I have already quoted in this list the famous

[Fis] Fwd: Re: Verification of the Principle of Information Science--John Torday

2017-10-19 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
; Para: Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es> Dear All, I feel like the beggar at the banquet, having arrived at the FIS of late in response to Pedro's invitation to participate, having reviewed our paper on 'ambiguity' in Progress in Biolphyics and Molecular Biology (see atta

Re: [Fis] Verification of the Principle of Information Science

2017-10-19 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear All, After Xueshan clarion call, I partially change what I was writing. Of course I have to thank him for his support of the 10 principles. Actually, in connection with the recent exchanges, particularly with Gordana's and John (Torday) posts, I was working in some ideas further related

Re: [Fis] Fw: PRINCIPLES OF IS. The Pre-Science of Information

2017-10-06 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
alism; computationalism /and /non- or natural computationalism; information as a physical /reality/ and a non-physical /appearance/. I look forward with great interest to the lines of development of this thread. Best wishes, Joseph - Original Message -

Re: [Fis] Fwd: Re[2]: Heretic

2017-10-05 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, There is no problem with heretics in this list. They are very welcome as they make us think on our favorite ideas in a different way or even from an opposed angle. We must always maintain the scholarly tone, that's the only condition! (well, apart from the "two messages

Re: [Fis] Principles of IS

2017-09-29 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FISers, I also agree with Ji and John Torday about the tight relationship between information and communication. Actually Principle 5 was stating : "Communication/information exchanges among adaptive life-cycles underlie the complexity of biological organizations at all scales."

Re: [Fis] Fwd: PRINCIPLES OF IS

2017-09-22 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
as 17:46, Michel Godron escribió: My remarks are written in red Bien reçu votre message. MERCI. Cordialement. M. Godron Le 20/09/2017 à 13:54, Pedro C. Marijuan a écrit : Dear FISers, Many thanks for all the comments and criticisms. Beyond concrete agreements/disagreements the discussion is li

[Fis] Fwd: Re: PRINCIPLES OF IS

2017-09-19 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Mensaje reenviado Asunto: Re: [Fis] PRINCIPLES OF IS Fecha: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 09:21:51 +0200 De: Rafael Capurro <raf...@capurro.de> Responder a:raf...@capurro.de Para: Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es> Dear Pedro, a short comment t

[Fis] PRINCIPLES OF IS

2017-09-15 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, As promised herewith the "10 principles of information science". A couple of previous comments may be in order. First, what is in general the role of principles in science? I was motivated by the unfinished work of philosopher Ortega y Gasset, "The idea of principle in

[Fis] FIS New Course discussions

2017-09-13 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, The leisure time of vacations is over and it would be time to reassume the list exchanges. There were several interesting sessions which had been planned for this new course, but unfortunately none of them seems possible in a short term. In order that these "dry" months

[Fis] CFP - 6th WORLD CONGRESS ON UNIVERSAL LOGIC - Vichy, June 2018 (From Jean-Yves)

2017-09-06 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, herewith an interesting announcement from Jean-Yves Beziau. Next week I will send some comments to start our discussions... Best postvacational greetings! --Pedro Mensaje reenviado Asunto: CFP - 6th WORLD CONGRESS ON UNIVERSAL LOGIC - Vichy, June

[Fis] Fwd: THANK YOU FOR IS4SI GÖTEBORG & POST-SUMMIT MATTERS

2017-06-20 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Mensaje reenviado Asunto: THANK YOU FOR IS4SI GÖTEBORG & POST-SUMMIT MATTERS Fecha: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 09:11:51 +0200 De: i...@sciforum.net Responder a:do...@chalmers.se Para: gordana.dodig-crnko...@chalmers.se DIGITALISATION FOR A SUSTAINABLE SOCIETY Dear

[Fis] Gothenburg 2017

2017-06-20 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, The Third IS4SI Conference, and at the same time the Seventh of FIS, in Gothenburg 2017 is over. Many thanks to our colleague Gordana and the organization team around her for making possible the event. It was a very fine experience indeed. Like in Vienna 2015, there were

Re: [Fis] Causation is transfer... and something else

2017-03-31 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Hector and colleagues, I have found very interesting your message. It has reminded me in another level the problems we have in this list to keep focused discussions particularly regarding disciplinary (non philosophical, non general) matters. Most people in the list pay lip tribute to

[Fis] MODERATION NOTE Re: Causation is transfer of information

2017-03-30 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
To ALL discussants: Please, take into account that posting in this list is restricted to two messages per week. It is the Second Rule of our info club... Best--Pedro Fis List moderator El 30/03/2017 a las 11:12, John Collier escribió: Dear Hector, Personally I agree that algorithmic

[Fis] PLANCKIAN INFORMATION: A NEW MEASURE OF ORDER (From S. Ji)

2017-03-23 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Note: what follows is an abbreviated text taken from the presentation. The whole file, too big for our list, can be found at fis web pages: http://fis.sciforum.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/11/Planckian_information.pdf A very recent article developing similar ideas:

[Fis] New Discussion Session: PLANCKIAN INFORMATION

2017-03-22 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, Almost on the eve of the Göteborg summit IS4SI 2017, with a FIS conference there (http://is4si-2017.org/program/conferences/fis-2017/), it may be a good idea to re-ignite our discussions with a very enticing topic: the proposal of a specific type of information with

[Fis] Fwd: Unpleasant answer ? From Bruno Marchal

2017-03-10 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Pedro, dear Jerry, dear List, On 07 Mar 2017, at 04:36, Jerry LR Chandler wrote: de Chardin has also cast a long and durable shadow over my mind for decades for decades. His writings both provides some guidance on the form of time and opens rich questions that bring fruit. While I

[Fis] Fwd: Re: WHY WE ARE HERE? ...AN UNPLEASANT ANSWER?! From Jerry Chandler

2017-03-09 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Mensaje reenviado Asunto: Re: [Fis] WHY WE ARE HERE? ...AN UNPLEASANT ANSWER?! Fecha: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 21:36:55 -0600 De: Jerry LR Chandler Para: fis Webinar CC: Pedro Marijuan ,

Re: [Fis] Further Discussion . . .

2017-02-13 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Howard, In any extent, your beautiful questions are beyond my reach. I think that the physical characterization of life cannot even provide a whim on your demands; but something of the informational might provide some limited inroads: prokaryots could not achieve any significant progress

[Fis] Further Perspectives

2017-02-02 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FISers, After the Lecture, Many Thanks to Otto, for bringing us that Curious Story... let us hope that an outcome will be found, as Jerry stated: "I see this “curious” behavior as a political problem that can be addressed by seeking a political solution that respects scientific

[Fis] End of the NY Lecture (From Otto Rossler)

2017-01-31 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Pedro and dear Plamen, dear FIS list: Thank you very much for your kindness. Can I simply say the following? I call it "A Confession" It is beautiful to find oneself in a still existing theoretical-biological community, as I learned to swim in under the guidance of my friend Bob

Re: [Fis] Fw: A Curious Story

2017-01-24 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
ings may be possible as Smolin suggests. However, I suggest that the domain of interaction between actual and potential states in our everyday 'grown-up' world also has things to tell us, /e.g./, about information, that can be looked at more easily. Best wishes, Joseph - Original Message -

Re: [Fis] A Curious Story

2017-01-20 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
rse)... Best wishes --Pedro lEl 11/01/2017 a las 11:33, Otto E. Rossler escribió: I like this response from Lou, Otto -------- *From:* Louis H Kauffman <lou...@gmail.com> *To:* Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@ara

[Fis] Fwd: Re: A Curious Story (L. Kauffman)

2017-01-10 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Mensaje reenviado Asunto: Re: [Fis] A Curious Story Fecha: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:36:07 -0600 De: Louis H Kauffman Para: PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ CC: fis@listas.unizar.es Dear Pedro,

[Fis] Fwd: Re: A Curious Story (J. Brenner)

2017-01-10 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Mensaje reenviado Asunto: Re: [Fis] A Curious Story Fecha: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:32:50 +0100 De: Joseph Brenner Responder a:Joseph Brenner Para: PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ ,

[Fis] Fwd: Re: A Curious Story

2017-01-10 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
From Alex Hankey Mensaje reenviado Asunto: Re: [Fis] A Curious Story Fecha: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 19:55:55 +0530 De: Alex Hankey Para: PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ THIS STORY IS A GOOD REASON FOR SHUTTING DOWN

[Fis] List problems

2017-01-10 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FISers, The problems with the spam filters continue. My own message with the Lecture was delayed 3 days. Further responses by Joseph, Lou, Terry and others have not appeared yet. I am talking with the University of Zaragoza officers in charge of the server... It is appalling that we

[Fis] Season Greetings

2016-12-23 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, As is customary in this list, let me wish all of you Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year. Herewith a Nativity Scene taken from "El Pilar" Cathedral in Zaragozal. As is customary too, the NEW YEAR LECTURE will be announced in a few days. All the best--Pedro NATIVITY SCENE

Re: [Fis] dimensions and symmetries... About KP Collins

2016-12-15 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Arturo and FISers, The last paragraphs of your chess game, pretty exciting, remind me strongly on the role that I have been attributing to cellular signaling systems, and the radical difference they have with metabolic cellular networks, although finally both are interrelated into the

Re: [Fis] A provocative issue

2016-12-12 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Arturo and FISers We will forgive your life! Some other people in this list also have strong reservations to a single, canonical approach to information, either from Shannon, Boltzmann, or Fisher backgrounds. In my case, mostly biologically and socially grounded ("sociotype"), I see a

[Fis] Fwd: Response to Jerry LR Chandler (From Arturo Tozzi)

2016-11-30 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
(sorry, the problems continue, seemingly, and I have to re-enter the messages--Pedro) --- Dear Jerry, Thanks for the intriguing questions! I thank our guest, Pedro Marijuan,

[Fis] Fwd: NEW DISCUSSION SESSION--TOPOLOGICAL BRAIN (From Karl Javorszky)

2016-11-30 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Asunto: [Fis] NEW DISCUSSION SESSION--TOPOLOGICAL BRAIN Fecha: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 08:46:32 +0100 De: Karl Javorszky <karl.javors...@gmail.com> Responder a:karl.javors...@gmail.com Para: fis <fis@listas.unizar.es> CC: Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@arago

[Fis] MODERATION NOTE

2016-11-29 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, The list server has been out of work during last 48 h. Sorry about the incident. Now it seems to be working again. Please, all those with pending messages are asked to re-send them... moderately. As one of our colleagues has written me offline: "Now regarding the current

Re: [Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 32, Issue 28 [ Request for complete citations ]

2016-11-25 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
lcolm Dean Message: 1 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 17:45:05 +0100 From: "Pedro C. Marijuan" <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es <mailto:pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>> To: "'fis'" <fis@listas.unizar.es <mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es>> Subject: Re: [Fis] NE

Re: [Fis] NEW DISCUSSION SESSION--TOPOLOGICAL BRAIN

2016-11-24 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Arturo, James, and FIS Colleagues, Thanks for the intriguing presentation. Maybe it is difficult to make sense in depth of these curious topological views applied to nervous systems function. In an offline exchange with the authors I was arguing that the countless mappings among cerebral

[Fis] NEW DISCUSSION SESSION--TOPOLOGICAL BRAIN

2016-11-22 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, We continue with our customary discussion sessions. This time the topic is: *"A TOPOLOGICAL APPROACH TO BRAIN FUNCTION"* And our invitees chairing the session are: * **Arturo Tozzi* AA Professor Physics, University North Texas Pediatrician ASL Na2Nord, Italy Comput Intell

Re: [Fis] Intelligence & Meaning & The Brain

2016-11-18 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
sness Through Improvements of Action Programs (2010). Dissertation, Tucson ... Best Christophe *De :* Fis <fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es> de la part de Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es> *E

[Fis] Intelligence & Meaning & The Brain

2016-11-17 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, Herewith the dropbox link to the Chengdu's presentation on Intelligence and the Information Flow (as kindly requested by Christophe and Gordana). https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wslnk41c3lquc55/AADpm_U6xuhm6jHK0esyN-29a?dl=0 About the ongoing exchanges on language and

Re: [Fis] Scientific communication

2016-10-21 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Mark and FIS colleagues, It was a pity that our previous replies just crossed in time, otherwise I would have continued along your thinking lines. However, your alternative focus on who has access to the "Brownian chamber motion" is pretty exciting too. Following our FIS colleague

[Fis] Fwd: Scientific communication (MARK)

2016-10-17 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Mensaje reenviado Asunto: Re: Scientific communication Fecha: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 15:07:25 +0100 De: Mark Johnson <johnsonm...@gmail.com> Para: Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>, fis <fis@l

[Fis] Fwd: Scientific communication (---from Mark)

2016-10-14 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Mensaje reenviado Asunto: Re: [Fis] Scientific communication (from Mark) Fecha: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 13:04:06 +0100 De: Mark Johnson <johnsonm...@gmail.com> Para: fis <fis@listas.unizar.es>, Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es> Dear Ka

Re: [Fis] Scientific Communication and Publishing

2016-09-30 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Mark and Colleagues, Thanks for the well crafted work. Actually you have presented us a tightly linked work along perspectives of philosophical, historical, and present day criticisms stances. For my taste, Sections 1 and 2 are a matter of opinion, of philosophical orientation, closer in

[Fis] CORRECTION: NEW COURSE: NEW DISCUSSION SESSION

2016-09-22 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Asunto: [Fis] NEW COURSE: NEW DISCUSSION SESSION Fecha: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 13:13:39 +0200 De: Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es> Para: 'fis' <fis@listas.unizar.es> Dear FIS Colleagues, We start the 2016-2017 course, and as usual during quite a

[Fis] NEW COURSE: NEW DISCUSSION SESSION

2016-09-22 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, We start the 2016-2017 course, and as usual during quite a few years we continue with the discussion sessions. The next one will deal with the theme of SCIENTIFIC COMMUNICATION (& PUBLISHING), and will be chaired by our colleague *Mark Johnson*, who is is Knight Professor

[Fis] Fwd: Information Cultures in the Digital Age

2016-07-25 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, I think this new book to appear celebrating our colleague Rafael Capurro can be of interest. Best--Pedro -- New book to be published by Springer in July 2016.

[Fis] Concluding The Session

2016-07-15 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, We are entering in the vacation season, after a tough series of discussion sessions in a row. Perhaps it is time to put an end to the ongoing session and take a rest. Thanks to Marcus for the work done and the ideas discussed, and to all the presenters during this long

Re: [Fis] Essential Core?

2016-07-08 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Nuova economia". Le pagine 120-130 di "Valore e valutazioni" (FrancoAngeli, Milano, 1999) ne sono una testimonianza. Grazie e buone vacanze a Te e a Tutti. Francesco 2016-07-07 13:53 GMT+02:00 Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es <mailto:pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>

[Fis] Fwd: Re: Shannonian Mechanics? From M. Godron

2016-07-04 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Asunto: Re: [Fis] [SPAM] Shannonian Mechanics? Fecha: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 11:17:02 +0200 De: Michel Godron <migod...@wanadoo.fr> Para: Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es> in red Cordialement. M. Godron Le 01/07/2016 à 13:59, Pedro C. Marijuan a écrit :

Re: [Fis] [SPAM] Shannonian Mechanics?

2016-07-01 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Marcus and FIS Colleagues, You are right in your complaint. We have been saying very similar things concerning information generation--and also in your symbolic introduction of Darwin in your scheme concerning that series of complementary questions. Sorry for being so brief but I need

[Fis] Shannonian Mechanics?

2016-06-29 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Marcus, Loet, Bob... and All, Again very briefly, your exchanges make clear the limits of the received Shannonian approach and the (narrow?) corridors left for advancement. I find this situation highly reminiscent of what happened with Mechanics long ago: an excellent theory (but of

Re: [Fis] _ Reply to Annette (A Priori Modeling)

2016-06-24 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Marcus and All, As usual I find a crucial element missing in both your initial text and in the responses up to now. How can I express that abscence in two or three lines? "Agency" is missing. It is factually minimized under the form of constraints and uncertainty. Communication occurs

[Fis] MARCUS' PRESENTATION

2016-06-16 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, After the phenomenological turn, we reassume our customary discussion sessions. The present one corresponds to Marcus Abundis, on "A PRIORI MODELING OF INFORMATION". It is based on, and continues with, the presentation he made in the past FIS & ISIS Conference in Vienna

[Fis] Towards the end of the Med Session and Phenomenology

2016-06-08 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, It is time to conclude a long session on phenomenology, information and the life sciences. First of all, we should thank Maxine, Lou, Soeren, Alex, and Plamen for their time and dedication in conducting the discussion sessions. The contact with phenomenology from the

[Fis] Fwd: Re: Cancer Cure? (Plamen S.)

2016-06-02 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Mensaje reenviado Asunto: Re: [Fis] Cancer Cure? Fecha: Tue, 31 May 2016 19:54:05 +0200 De: Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov <plamen.l.simeo...@gmail.com> Para: Robert Ulanowicz <u...@umces.edu> CC: Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>

[Fis] Fwd: Re: Cancer Cure? (Bob Ulanowicz)

2016-06-02 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
;u...@umces.edu>, Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es> Dear Bob, thank you for your response. What you said in the core - heterogeneity - resonated with the first suggested example I began this session with: the puzzle of registering the heterogeneity of cancer, both in

[Fis] Cancer Cure?

2016-05-26 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Plamen and FIS Colleagues, Finally I could find some spare time for the paper you mentioned. It is very interesting. The analysis of hydrophobic profiles for proteins shows rather unexpectedly a power law (self similar) scaling--self organized criticality (SOC). How much hydrophobic the

[Fis] _ Re: _ Towards a 3φ integrative medicine

2016-05-17 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Plamen, Thanks for the synthetic attempt. You have put together pretty complex strands of thought that become too demanding for a general response. I will concentrate in a few points. What is Medicine? In what extent is it amenable to "integration"? Is reductionism an anathema in

Re: [Fis] The phenomenology of life

2016-04-28 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Alex and colleagues, Thanks for the opportunity to ad a few lines on signaling matters. I would not discard any organizational aspect of signaling pathways. I have put below a diagram that approaches the dynamics of some major ones.Your analogy with mobile phones would be right, provided

[Fis] Meaning in neurosceinces

2016-04-15 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, This is the month of deadlines in my Institute, so I can only draft a few comments on the past messages. To Maxine: the action theme is very rich, and very well acquainted and discussed in last decades neuroscience. Gallistel C.R: with his magisterial "The Organization

Re: [Fis] DISCUSSION SESSION: INFOBIOSEMIOTICS

2016-04-08 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, A brief note on the variety of exchanges. It is quite intriguing that fundamental questions on mathematics (geometry/algebra), computation, quantum mechanics, and biology converge on a pretty similar "information stuff". Considering the social sciences domain too, where

[Fis] _ DISCUSSION SESSION: INFOBIOSEMIOTICS

2016-04-01 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, I am attaching herein Soeren's presentation. If you have any trouble with the attachment, the file is in fis web pages too: http://fis.sciforum.net/fis-discussion-sessions/ By clicking on Soeren Brier's session (highlighted in red) you can immediately obtain it.

[Fis] IMPORTANT TECHNICAL INFO

2016-03-22 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Colleagues, Some parties have asked about the original text from Louis opening the session. It can be found at the link: http://fis.sciforum.net/fis-discussion-sessions/ By clicking on Louis H. Kaufman session (highlighted in red) you can immediately obtain it. Besides, we have just

[Fis] Fwd: Discussion

2016-03-21 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
From Louis H Kauffman

Re: [Fis] SYMMETRY & _ On BioLogic

2016-03-20 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, For my taste the ongoing conversation is running too fast. We have passed, via Louis, Plamen, and other colleagues, along essential themes on the relationship between life and formal approaches, perhaps too cavalierly. I am still stuck with the problem of explanation in

Re: [Fis] SYMMETRY & _ On BioLogic

2016-03-15 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Louis, a very simple question: in your model of self-replication, when you enter the environment, could it mean something else than just providing the raw stuff for reproduction? It would be great if related to successive cycles one could include emergent topological (say

[Fis] SYMMETRY & _ On BioLogic

2016-03-11 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, Let me start by announcing the *special session on *_*INFORMATION & SYMMETRY*_, in the Symmetry gathering this Summer in Vienna (18-22 July) http://festival.symmetry.hu/ The deadline for abstract reception in this session has been enlarged until beginnings of next month.

[Fis] MODERATION NOTE

2016-02-23 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, Let me remind you all that this new session is a little bit special. Around 70 new parties have joined our list to maintain a common dialog based on the different presentations. I know we are accustomed to many years of "tangents" and parallel discussions, but this time

[Fis] _ Re: Maxine’s presentation

2016-02-19 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Maxine and Colleagues, Concerning your presentation I have a couple of questions. About dance, first, let me inquire about another important aspect it may have, perhaps a "vital" one . In a number of species, dance is related to the mutual pre-exploration between potential reproductive

[Fis] _ Re: Otto--re closing lecture

2016-02-05 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FISers, Just a couple of brief comments to Howard and Jerry. To Howards: thanks for the exciting New Year Lecture closure! However, your text below to Otto makes irresistible for me indulging in a final criticism. It is clear in the text that the boundaries of force are the very

[Fis] Interconnected life cycles

2016-01-28 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Howard and colleagues, Once settled most of the dust, the balance seems to favor the need to disentangle the two phenomena, biotic communication vs. particulate "excommunication". As some FISers have suggested, maybe a revised conceptualization of the generative phenomena in the quantum

Re: [Fis] _ RE: _ Re: Cho 2016 The social life of quarks

2016-01-21 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
ound, this email illuminates some of the reasoning behind the development of the perplex number system and perplex systems theory within the associative symbolic logic of graph theory.) Cheers Jerry Begin forwarded message: *From: *"Pedro C. Marijuan" <pcmarijuan.i...@arago

[Fis] Season Greetings / Merry Christmas

2015-12-21 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, Herewith the customary Nativity scene at El Pilar Basilica of Zaragoza. Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! --Pedro navidad sauce -- - Pedro C. Marijuán Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group Instituto

[Fis] Symmetry Conference in Vienna

2015-12-18 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, This is an invitation to arrange a FIS session on Information and Symmetry in the Conference next year in Vienna (18-22 July 2016). I am trying to attach a descriptive file, but probably the server will reject it. So herewith a brief description: SYMMETRY FESTIVAL 2016

Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: Energetic Realm-Informational Realm. Social Complexity

2015-12-16 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
wrong here. Gloomily, Joseph - Original Message - *From:* Pedro C. Marijuan <mailto:pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es> *To:* 'fis' <mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2015 1:36 PM *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel re

[Fis] [Fwd: RE: Sustainability through multilevel research:] From Loet

2015-12-14 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Original Message Subject:RE: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 08:13:36 +0100 From: Loet Leydesdorff <l...@leydesdorff.net> Reply-To: <l...@leydesdorff.net> Organization: University of Amsterdam To: 'Pedro

Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research:

2015-12-11 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FISers, I agree with Loet's views (for once! :-) ). The energy flow supporting the biosphere and society as a whole have not much explanatory power regarding the bonding complexity of contemporary societies. Of course, it is an interesting exercise, particularly concerning the limits of

Re: [Fis] Hierarchy of Information

2015-12-04 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Xueshan and colleagues, Your points about hierarchies are quite interesting. Let me remind however, in my second message of this week, the discussion in last month about "momenta" and "itineraries". It is another way to approach the hierarchy discussion that comes closer, I think, to the

Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1

2015-11-27 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Nikhil and colleagues (Bob, Stan...), Let me concur with Stan's arguments. I think you are working with original ideas about two different instances of self-organization in Nature where metabolic-energetic flows are modulated by third parties in order to maintain some maximum of

[Fis] Sustainability Opening Text (Nikhil Joshi)

2015-11-20 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Some parties have reported me that the message was truncated (no figure and half the text missing.). So herewith the whole text, and the figure too. People willing to read the original message with correct formatting should go to the link indicated just below. Greetings to all--Pedro

[Fis] Tragedy in France

2015-11-17 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Collegues, On behalf of the group, let me express our collective condolences to the French Colleagues of our list. Civilized words are of little use in front of such repulsive, barbaric actions. But in the long term it is the most efficient tool. The terrible problem is that it takes

[Fis] TOWARDS A NEW SESSION ON ECOLOGICAL ECONOMICS

2015-11-16 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, In a few days we will start a new discussion session on a multidisciplinary theme that is getting more and more attention in our times: ECOLOGICAL ECONOMICS. The session will be chaired by: Nikhil Joshi Lifel.Org, Mumbai, India A new perspective will be offered on how

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