RE: [Flightgear-devel] New Scenery - a few notes

2004-06-09 Thread Giles Robertson
I get much the same messages, except I think I'm running the new scenery - I don't recall a tower or windsock at KHAF before. Weirdly, I get these messages whatever aircraft I seem to use. I'd normally expect it to only give the stabiliser not found error on particular models, but it seems to be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Scenery - a few notes

2004-06-09 Thread David Culp
Weirdly, I get these messages whatever aircraft I seem to use. I'd normally expect it to only give the stabiliser not found error on particular models, but it seems to be inherent. I haven't checked on every a/c, though. That's the new AI traffic manager creating MD-11 traffic using models

[Flightgear-devel] Aircraft perturbed by visibility controls.

2004-06-09 Thread Ed Sirett
I have been lurking on this list for a while but now I have something to report. Fly just about any JSBsim or Yasim model (not UFO or UINC) get the plane level, straight and stable with or without the AP. AFAI can tell it happens on all JSB and YASIM models that you can get airborne. Now press

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Glide Slope Errors

2004-06-09 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Dave, for all the approaches you listed, the GS elevation was 0 in the nav.dat.gz (with the exception of KBJC which was a different issue, but also fixed in cvs.) Regards, Curt. Dave Perry wrote: As I indicated in my other post, I checked the elevations in nav.dat.gz, and they look correct. I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft perturbed by visibility controls.

2004-06-09 Thread David Culp
I have been lurking on this list for a while but now I have something to report. Fly just about any JSBsim or Yasim model (not UFO or UINC) get the plane level, straight and stable with or without the AP. AFAI can tell it happens on all JSB and YASIM models that you can get airborne. Now

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft perturbed by visibility controls.

2004-06-09 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Ed Sirett wrote: I have been lurking on this list for a while but now I have something to report. Fly just about any JSBsim or Yasim model (not UFO or UINC) get the plane level, straight and stable with or without the AP. AFAI can tell it happens on all JSB and YASIM models that you can get

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft perturbed by visibility controls.

2004-06-09 Thread Erik Hofman
Ed Sirett wrote: I have been lurking on this list for a while but now I have something to report. Fly just about any JSBsim or Yasim model (not UFO or UINC) get the plane level, straight and stable with or without the AP. AFAI can tell it happens on all JSB and YASIM models that you can get

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Aircraft perturbed by visibility controls.

2004-06-09 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Erik Hofman -- Wednesday 09 June 2004 13:48: Ed Sirett wrote: Now press the z/Z to adjust the visibility a few times and the whole plane will get a shake up just as if the stick was waggled. This happens because the FGEnvironment class has to be reinitialized every time you change

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Aircraft perturbed by visibility controls.

2004-06-09 Thread Erik Hofman
Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Erik Hofman -- Wednesday 09 June 2004 13:48: Ed Sirett wrote: Now press the z/Z to adjust the visibility a few times and the whole plane will get a shake up just as if the stick was waggled. This happens because the FGEnvironment class has to be reinitialized every time

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft perturbed by visibility controls.

2004-06-09 Thread Andy Ross
David Culp wrote: There have been reports of rudder kick when climbing through atmosphere layers, which might be the same problem you're seeing. I don't think it was ever resolved though. I didn't think it was a bug. That's just wind shear, isn't it? Andy

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft perturbed by visibility controls.

2004-06-09 Thread Josh Babcock
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Ed Sirett wrote: I have been lurking on this list for a while but now I have something to report. Fly just about any JSBsim or Yasim model (not UFO or UINC) get the plane level, straight and stable with or without the AP. AFAI can tell it happens on all JSB and YASIM models

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft perturbed by visibility controls.

2004-06-09 Thread David Culp
There have been reports of rudder kick when climbing through atmosphere layers, which might be the same problem you're seeing. I don't think it was ever resolved though. I didn't think it was a bug. That's just wind shear, isn't it? The effect looks very exaggerated, probably

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft perturbed by visibility controls.

2004-06-09 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy Ross wrote: David Culp wrote: There have been reports of rudder kick when climbing through atmosphere layers, which might be the same problem you're seeing. I don't think it was ever resolved though. I didn't think it was a bug. That's just wind shear, isn't it? I always wondered what

[Flightgear-devel] taxidraw dl

2004-06-09 Thread Josh Babcock
Anyone know where to get taxidraw? I tried www.nottingham.ac.uk/~eazdluf/taxidraw.html but got a 403 error. Josh ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

[Flightgear-devel] air refueling

2004-06-09 Thread David Culp
Aerial refueling is now possible, if you build CVS FlightGear with CVS JSBSim. The tanker is created by adding an entry like this to the AI scenario file: entry callsignEsso 1/callsign typeaircraft/type classtanker/class modelAircraft/737/Models/boeing733.xml/model

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft perturbed by visibility controls.

2004-06-09 Thread David Megginson
David Culp wrote: The effect looks very exaggerated, probably because it happens too quickly. On the contrary -- we interpolate smoothly between layers, I think, so the wind changes fairly gradually. Real wind shear can be much more dramatic. All the best, David

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft perturbed by visibility controls.

2004-06-09 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson wrote: David Culp wrote: The effect looks very exaggerated, probably because it happens too quickly. On the contrary -- we interpolate smoothly between layers, I think, so the wind changes fairly gradually. Real wind shear can be much more dramatic. Right ... but since we

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Question re: bug reporting/tracking/etc.

2004-06-09 Thread Vivian Meazza
Lee Elliott On Tuesday 08 June 2004 23:01, Vivian Meazza wrote: Andy Ross wrote Chris Metzler wrote: Sometimes I run into issues with FlightGear -- fgfs, data, scenery, whatever -- that I'm reluctant to report because I'm concerned that the developers already know about

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Question re: bug reporting/tracking/etc.

2004-06-09 Thread Lee Elliott
On Wednesday 09 June 2004 17:03, Vivian Meazza wrote: Lee Elliott On Tuesday 08 June 2004 23:01, Vivian Meazza wrote: Andy Ross wrote Chris Metzler wrote: Sometimes I run into issues with FlightGear -- fgfs, data, scenery, whatever -- that I'm reluctant to report because

[Flightgear-devel] DME bias question

2004-06-09 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Urgent question: Recently I added support for adjusting the DME readout based on an optional per transmitter bias that is part of Robin's nav data. For ILS approaches the DME transmitter could be at the opposite end of the runway, but transmitting a bias or constant value to subtract off the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] v0.9.5 scenery

2004-06-09 Thread Martin Spott
Martin Spott wrote: Thanks alot for the notice. Would you mind waiting until wednesday before you announce general availability ? Last time I visited 'my' server I forgot to bring the new disk that I planned to mount into the box, O.k., I'm done - currently mirroring Martin. -- Unix

Re: [Flightgear-devel] multiplayer doesn't work properly

2004-06-09 Thread Jorge Van Hemelryck
I wouldn't say that multiplayer doesn't work properly, I'd rather say that it's still in early stages of development. The effect you see is probably due to the delay due to sending packets across the network. You see movement of the other aircraft along its axis because you try and match the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] DME bias question

2004-06-09 Thread David Culp
Recently I added support for adjusting the DME readout based on an optional per transmitter bias that is part of Robin's nav data. For ILS approaches the DME transmitter could be at the opposite end of the runway, but transmitting a bias or constant value to subtract off the real value so it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] DME bias question

2004-06-09 Thread David Megginson
David Culp wrote: Recently I added support for adjusting the DME readout based on an optional per transmitter bias that is part of Robin's nav data. For ILS approaches the DME transmitter could be at the opposite end of the runway, but transmitting a bias or constant value to subtract off the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Question re: bug reporting/tracking/etc.

2004-06-09 Thread Chris Metzler
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:00:50 -0500 Jon S Berndt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think a bug/feature request facility such as the one on the SourceForge site is invaluable. I've certainly found the Debian and GNOME BTSes invaluable. A ton of times I've run into issues with stuff on Debian,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Question re: bug reporting/tracking/etc.

2004-06-09 Thread Chris Metzler
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 10:04:54 -0700 Andy Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Metzler wrote: Sometimes I run into issues with FlightGear -- fgfs, data, scenery, whatever -- that I'm reluctant to report because I'm concerned that the developers already know about them; Indeed, that's a good

Re: [Flightgear-devel] DME bias question

2004-06-09 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David, You are right, however there are some DME's that do transmit a bias value. From Robin's data format specification: DME bias in nautical miles often used for DMEs associated with an ILS that are not located near the runway threshold. This bias must be subtracted from the calculated

Re: [Flightgear-devel] DME bias question

2004-06-09 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson wrote: All the approaches at KLAX have a 1 or 2 nm bias for the DME. Like you say, there is no *requirement* for this, but there are installations that have a bias set up. That's strange. Here are the DME distances at the runway threshold for the eight ILS approaches at KLAX,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] DME bias question

2004-06-09 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: All the approaches at KLAX have a 1 or 2 nm bias for the DME. Like you say, there is no *requirement* for this, but there are installations that have a bias set up. That's strange. Here are the DME distances at the runway threshold for the eight

Re: [Flightgear-devel] DME bias question

2004-06-09 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Unfortunately I am having trouble digging up any definitive references at the moment, but google showed me a lot of used medical equipment for sale. :-( Anyone remember when google used to be useful? I tried dme bias ils and Google was happy to oblige, bringing me to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Scenery - a few notes

2004-06-09 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
The MD-11 is still in progress. The current version on the CVS is just a plain model, and is lacking UVW mapping coordinates (because I didn't add them). This is why you are seeing all those texture coordinate missing messages. The game will not be affected in anyway, so don't worry about it.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Aircraft perturbed by visibility controls.

2004-06-09 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
Let me point out that visibility can't be changed in real life. :P Regards, Ampere On June 9, 2004 07:57 am, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Erik Hofman -- Wednesday 09 June 2004 13:48: Ed Sirett wrote: Now press the z/Z to adjust the visibility a few times and the whole plane will get a shake

Re: [Flightgear-devel] multiplayer doesn't work properly

2004-06-09 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
Could there be a connection between this and the problem pointed out by Dave in the Air Refueling thread? Regards, Ampere On June 9, 2004 02:02 pm, Jorge Van Hemelryck wrote: I wouldn't say that multiplayer doesn't work properly, I'd rather say that it's still in early stages of development.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] DME bias question

2004-06-09 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
To take out anything that contains the word medical, just put a minus sign infront of the word when you are typing it in the search box: -medical Regards, Ampere On June 9, 2004 04:07 pm, Curtis L. Olson wrote: Unfortunately I am having trouble digging up any definitive references at the

[Flightgear-devel] Re: DME bias question

2004-06-09 Thread Alex Perry
From: Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Recently I added support for adjusting the DME readout based on an optional per transmitter bias that is part of Robin's nav data. [...] so it reads 0.00 at the touch down point. It is only in specific countries where the goal is to have it read zero.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Scenery - a few notes

2004-06-09 Thread Durk Talsma
On Wednesday 09 June 2004 23:30, Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: The MD-11 is still in progress. The current version on the CVS is just a plain model, and is lacking UVW mapping coordinates (because I didn't add them). This is why you are seeing all those texture coordinate missing messages. The

Re: [Flightgear-devel] taxidraw dl

2004-06-09 Thread David Luff
Josh Babcock writes: Anyone know where to get taxidraw? I tried www.nottingham.ac.uk/~eazdluf/taxidraw.html but got a 403 error. Apparently my user name (and that of some of my colleagues) got removed at the university in error. I do still work there, and normal service should be resumed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: DME bias question

2004-06-09 Thread David Megginson
Alex Perry wrote: Yes, I believe, without having the plate handy, that LAX does this. As I recall, the reason is that they use the same ILS frequency for the two ends of each runway. Since the ILS frequency is associated with the DME channel, they either make life hard for the crews or they use

[Flightgear-devel] Re: New Scenery - a few notes

2004-06-09 Thread Alex Romosan
Durk Talsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm only a bit dissapointed that nobody's yet reported actually _seeing_ one of MD11's take off. :-) :-) i just did :-) took off from SFO and followed it for a couple of hours to the canadian border (i guess i was bored). a few nits: when i sped up the