[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
Well, I heard from Owen and he said that he had had a family emergency
which
meant that he was away for a while and would be contacting the list
about
the box when he had a chance. Obviously he has not yet had a chance to
do
that. Hopefully Owen will be able
Just back for New York and trying to catch up on email -
There were several performances of this work, but I am sure that you
are thinking of the 1964 performance in New York which was picketed by
several people associated with Fluxus Flynt, Maciunas, Vautier (and
performed by several others
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
hello,
any information is helpful, but primarily a discography of his released
music
(lps, cassettes, cds). if possible i would like information on the
label to
inquire on attainability of these recordings. also, names of articles
or
books that provide
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
Higgins on Intermedia
Dick Higgins's Intermedia essay was reprinted twice, first in
foewombwhnw,
second in A Dialectic of Centuries.
Higgins, Dick. 1969. foewombwhnw. New York: Something Else Press, pp.
11-29.
Higgins, Dick. 1978. A Dialectic of Centuries.
For all you long suffering Fluxbox participants - the
boxes will be mailed out the beginning of next week!!
If the CD (which is what has been holding up the whole
process for the last two months) is not done, it will be
sent along later rather than my continuing to hold up
the whole process
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
Hi
I just got a copy of Postface/Jefferson's Birthday for $40US on
Bibliofind.
Owen, I'm very interested in getting a copy of your essay 'Fluxus,
Experimentalism and the End of Language' in the book Experimental,
Visual,
Concrete. Have any clues how I could get
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
I'm
also pining for a description of the "box" you folks received
from Owen, if the contents allow description.
Best, PK
Patricia and others,
I hope to have a version of the catalog of the works included in the
box up on line soon so all can see.
Owen
Lurk
(for years on the
Fluxlist)
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
Hi all,
Well, I haven't received a box here yet in England so I'd recommend
that we in
Europe just be patient with the postal service. In my experience it is
very
hard to predict how long post will take to arrive from the USA.
in anticipation
cheers,
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
Hello, I'm still trying to dig up info on Thomas Schmit. Found a
reference
that there were 200 Sanitas, published in German. Drat.
Josh and others who are interested- I happen to have the catalog (tomas
schmit, published by the Kolnischer kunstverein in 1978
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Can you recommend any references on Hi Red Center and Gutai. I know
there's
an old issue of Lightworks on Gutai which I have wanted to get for a
while
but I've never seen any substantial material on Hi Red Center. Am I
looking
in the wrong placesany help gratefully
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The gentleman in the fifth photo that's known as "X"
(between Arias-Misson and Spoerri) looks a lot like Richard
Kostelanetz. Could it be him?
Yes it is indeed Richard, but the question is who is Y??
Owen
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
one question or observation: what makes a digital artwork
unique ?
. . . . . .potentially nothing at all, and that why it is for me a
medium appropriate for Fluxist explorations.
Owen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://www.fluxus.org/FluxusMidwest/Research/fluxlist.html
Allen - great project and great concept very well done! I particularly
like the sealed box for sale on ebay as an extension of the
performance.
I also have a question (to you and any and all other
Allen's posting of his online documentation got me thinking that I
should share will all the fluxlisters the online documentation of a
project that I did last year (and have spent a good deal of time
creating the documentation for this year) titled proof of existence.
you can find it at:
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
Well "the arts of the new mentality" is just a euphemism for the
intermedia
approach
I think that Sol is correct that it does relate to Dick's ideas about
Intermedia, but it is also more than this - I think that it is more
closely related to the mindset that
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
If this person was a genuine fluxlist member, however objectionable,
then
there would be a case to be made for him staying.
However, I believe he simply strayed onto the wrong List.
Sol was simply doing him a favour by redirecting his
creativity elsewhere.
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
h
tricky
a trial in absentia?
sure, why not - isn't this the best way? joking aside, he/she/it made
use of the list for his/her/their own ends, so now let's reverse the
process. . . .
and if Mr Tripleasterix discovers we are playing
fast and loose with
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
From a personal point of view I get very tired of the general level of
abusiveness in online discussions on newsgroups and certain lists etc.
I no
longer take part in any discussion forum where this kind of thing
exists,
it's just unproductive and a waste of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If manditory transgression is written into the job description of a
particular group of individuals (artists), and if this is depended upon
by another group(s) of people (art enthusiasts) for amusement and/ or
reassurance, then how can those who wish to be 'truly'
The specifics aside, not to say that these concerns are not important,
but another point has been missed and that is that the phone is an
interesting medium for performances and interactive works. There was a
show a few years ago in which anyone could call in and leave a message
and then the
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
when given a television
turn it on its side
?
When I visited Wolf Vostel in his Berlin apartment (in the mid 80s) he
had about 20 tvs stacked against a wall, some on their sides, some up
side down, and some right side up and each was tuned to a different
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
If any of you are interested in doing this, July 10-31, every
day, one item, event, thought, over and over, every day, record
the change or nonchange. I have a friend who will put them
online as a time project. He is a doctor. Every day, mind you,
takes
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
I like this.
I have a small activity kit in a metal box that I can offer up for
trade to
the first caller who can answer:
what bird is the state bird of missouri?
Is it the Bluebird???
Owen
Sol, Patricia, Disco and any and all other Fluxlister -
Over the last few years as I have explored Fluxus I have become
increasingly dissatisfied with traditional scholarly or historical
approaches to the subject of Fluxus (mine included). I have to say that
one of the things that bothers me
Hearing no cries to the contrary, here we go "thoughts on Fluxus Part 1"
At the end of his 1953 "Manifesto for Concrete Poetry" Ovid Fahlstrom
wrote:
". . . what I have called concrete literature is not a style, any more
than concrete music or non-figurative art is. It is partly a way for
the
Thoughts on Fluxus part 2 (of 3)
In a general sense all Fluxus activities seek to question meaning and
significance as fixed, pre-determined, or even determinable through the
functioning of what has been described as "higher social contracts,"
that is social situations as a manifestation of
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
Personally, you'd have to convince me, Owen, that the notions of
intermedia and
Derrida's difference are fruitfully related.
George - you raise a good point here (also that Dick was at the very
least suspicious of Derrida) and I am not sure that I can
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
Aren't all art works materially intermedial? Even paint has to go onto a
surface and that surface isn't paint but another medium.
Sol - Not really - your example uses two materials but both are within
the same medium, so it is still a traditional single
I would like to conclude my thoughts on Fluxus by returning to the idea
that I mentioned earlier, (and one that both Sol and George brought up
in their responses) that of cognitive intermedia. The general focus of
many Fluxus type works is on the process of meaning-making which
highlights the
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
there are only one or two images that
i'm aware of - of the couple changing into each others wedding outfits.
There are actually a whole series (10 or 12) of this exchange which
were published in one of the last issues of ccVTRE- in fact Peter Moore
took
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, I read this but I have to say that most of it seems to miss the
point
of Fluxus (or at least as I understand it) that works are to be simple
yet
thought provoking.
Interestingly enough this was one of the major complaints about the
paper when it was first given
FIVE LULU SOX
FIVE SOUL LUX
OLIVE FLU SUX
OLIVE FLUX US
LEVIS FUX LOU
LEVI FOUL SUX
LEVI FLU OX US
LEVI OF LUX US
LEVI FUX SOUL
LIVE FOUL SUX
LIVE FLU OX US
LIVE OF LUX US
LIVE FUX SOUL
VEIL FOUL SUX
VEIL FLU OX US
VEIL OF LUX US
VEIL FUX SOUL
EVIL FOUL SUX
EVIL FLU OX US
EVIL OF LUX US
EVIL FUX
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
I probably shouldn't post the entire A._S.L.O.T.H. text. It's quite
long,
but I can send it directly to whoever is interested. (As a MS Word
attachment preferably)
Aaron - can you send me a copy of the entire doc at [EMAIL PROTECTED],
thanks. . . .
On the
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
Again and again misleading nonsense flourish on the list. The term
Fluxus was
used in connection with performance the first time in Europe in 1962
and the
first Fluxus publication, The Roll, was printed in Wiesbaden in 1963.
Eric - you are right that these
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
What do you think of Postface/JB as a history of Fluxus?
This is one of the key historical first hand descriptions of the early
Fluxus performance festivals in Europe. The descriptions are directly
based on a 14 page letter that Dick sent to the US while he
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
My tomatoes plants have light colored spots all over the leaves what
could
cause this and how do I fix them?
Tomatoes with spots? I can't even think about growing tomatoes at this
point - the current temp this morning is -35F degrees (with windchill)
in the
For all those of you who are involved with the Fluxlist seed project or
plants etc. check out this offering on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1413495487
Owen
I was bored today so I made a page to leave on your computer when you
are not using it. . . . . .
http://www.altarts.org/fluxfun/george.html
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
It's very charming, Owen! I will use it as a screensaver--can I?-
Ann - sure feel free to use it however you want - also if anyone else
wants to use the code to make their own animation just replace the
image and ref in the code with you own and viola . . . .
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
Inspired by Owen's animation I give you a fetching bouncing maciunas
head
with multimedia enhancements, a ready screensaver (but for PC only,
sorry
Mac people). Runs on win 3.1,95,98 etc. Download it from
http://www.artden.freeserve.co.uk/maciunas/
I wrote a
PK - I had tried to send you something off list but the message was
bounced:
(reason: 553 5.3.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... RELAY REJECT Mail
blocked because of access spam from redshift.com RELAY)
Is there another/ better email that I can send something to you using,
or??
contact me back offlist
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
some quotes from the liner notes of a recent cd that i
picked up called, "living in the ice age vol.2 - stamps,
headphone music lazy penpals:
So where did you find this interesting sounding CD, is it available
still??
Thanks for any info,
Owen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
hey. hey, hey
it did arrived my flulistbox!
i cant' belive
thanks sol
pez -
After all this time
Wow!!!
That's great. . . .
Owen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
...pez osiris
send the right addreess
to my [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you still need my email it is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am looking forward to seeing the project up on line. . . .
Owen
This was sent to me this morning and I thought that it had
Fluxus potential and that some of you on the list might want
to participate.
Owen
Subject: summer solstice
Celebrate the solstice in a meaningful way!! This
could be fun!
Regardless of your politics, please consider
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As far as I know Manzoni did not sell these for very much, due to
Manzoni's
untimely early death the items fell prey to spectacular commodification by
collectors.
It was not them amount but the process of equivalency that was a key here
the cans were sold based on their
Ann - Count me in as well as a member of the Pariahs as well (and
interested in a shirt as well). As to the place name if we are looking for
a P I am partial to Pokatello. . . .
Owen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Would Team Pariah members mind paying @$10 or so US to cover costs of
production? Then I can get them made--(actually, payable upon rec't of
shirt is
ok)
Places, places--
AK
Yes, that is fine with me - so will we have a logo or a mascot?? or for
that matter even a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
would like a sack of air?
Sure - I already have some other works that are air based
and what will you barter?
- how about a bag of beans? - In honor of Alison they are very Fluxy
beans (no pun intended).
Owen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Great Snoring
This is a town in England? Wow, so how in the world this this come about??
I like this one - we could be the Great Snorting Pariahs!!!
Owen
[EMAIL PROTECTED],InetGW2 writes:
what counts
most is taste.
Whose taste - yours, mine, or Greenberg's??
And as far as the Brad stuff goes, we are all appropriating in one way or
another aren't we? It is the presentation that is more significant than
the origination or creation, or at least
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In actual practice, however, distinctions between the two
interpretations amount to precious little. A state of
affairs (as with most face-offs between interpretations) not
unlike calling the same food by two different names.
I would agree in general terms but reverse
issue.
Guest editors Ken Friedman and Owen Smith will coordinate this issue.
The editors will welcome proposals and complete papers on any topic
or theme relevant to Fluxus, the Fluxus artists and composers, or
their work.
Themes
Fluxus is what Fluxus does -- but no one knows whodunit. Emmett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dear Tamas,
Great tests and proposal for maillist. Finally some spirit on the list.
It is interesting to see how silent everybody becomes, when your voice
is heard.
You seem to scare the mice.
All the bests,
Eric
Eric and/or Tamas - Somehow I seemed to have missed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm leaving (on a jet plane) for the West Coast in half an hour. Will be
staying in Oakland and Santa Cruz areas until Wednesday next. Anybody out
there? Any chance of a meeting? I *hope* to be able to check my e-mail
*and*
to have some free time
Melissa
[EMAIL PROTECTED],InetGW2 writes:
Dear all,
yesterday a guy broke into my house, thankfuly I was arriving at the
moment
he ran out. He took things that he could sell easily, and a lot of little
rings, necklaces and bracelets that didn't have any commercial value,
only
sentimental (for me).
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Whatever happened to? Heck, he's probably head of some Arts Program
someplace!
UCLA (or was up to a few years ago)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
i intend to produce an edition of 5 photocopied booklets
i will sell them for photocopies of money, any currency
make me an offer.
a -
. . . . how about a copy of an ileagally scanned (i.e. counterfit) 50.00 USD bill that
I recieved from another artist in
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Laurie Anderson on David Letterman tonight? How very fluxus
of him. Hopefully I will stay awake.
PK
So is this a trick or a treat?
Owen
- Yes indeed I would like to receive one and I will send something (else) in
return.
Owen
Send it to (please):
Owen Smith
Department of Art
5712 Carnegie Hall
University of Maine
Orono ME
04469
Thanks in advance. . . . .
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Some contemporary Fluxus workers (e.g. Joe DeMarco) are using the term
avant-Flux...I think this is fairly appropriate.
cheers,
Sol.
If Fluxus was the rear-garde (as maciunas sometimes described it) then maybe what is
being discussed here is
To any and all interested parties Ken Friedman just send me a copy of a new work of
his called 52 events. It is a calendar for the year 2002 with an even score for each
week. It is being published by Show and Tell Editions (information follows if
you want to but a printed one) but Ken also sent
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I seem to remember that Barbara Moore reissued a bunch of fluxboxes under
that imprint.
It was reflux (not refluxus). i think that you still might be able to get some of them
from Barbara or from some of the places that carried the like Printed Matter or Art
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
i had the great fortune (and fun) to perform , at the grand opening and on
the 2 performance days, as well as go on the Fluxus Tour. I joined in with
octet for winds, Four directional songs of doubt and did Tomas Schmit's
Zyklus
Sounds great Alan - out of curiosity how
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Somebody please be kind enough to tell me what Fluxus really is.
Clearly, I must've been mistaken, as there is plenty of hostility and
negativity concerning false Fluxus and who is more Fluxus than someone
else. Mr. Andersen, I acknowledge your history with
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=852808885 item=852808885
Did you see who the high bidder is. . . .?
milan.knizak
I wonder if that is the Milan. . . . .
Owen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Besides Fluxus: a Conceptual Country and M/E/A/N/I/N/G, where may I find interviews
with Alison Knowles?
Josh - there is a nice interview/discussion between Hannah and Alison in the recent
Genoa Fluxus catalog.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Owen,
do you own a copy of this book ?
It says it's got some Yoko Ono content.
Can you please describe ?
Richard - unfortunately I do not own a copy (yet) but I have looked a it and read some
of the essays - unfortunately I do not remember the specific Ono related
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Never seen Better Homes and Gardens magazine but have some old pet care
books for unusual pets (e.g. crocodiles, just bought the book but never
found anywhere selling crocodiles :( ) published by TFH Publications I
think, very cool.
In the same category I like
the posted review is in reference to:
Shiomi, Mieko
A MUSICAL DICTIONARY OF 80 PEOPLE AROUND FLUXUS
Koln: ? Records, 2002
Standard audio CD in jewel case with 16pp insert. Shiomi's short
musical pieces are created from creating musical anagrams from
pitches obtained from the person's name -
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi, I will be very interested in reading more about
this volume
Richard
I got Hannah's book last week and read it on the plane to the Paris Fluxus symposium
and I can say that the book is great - it is easy to read, informative and gives some
new and interesting
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Greetings...
Don't know if this is old news or new news
or good news, but...
I was at Moe's in Berkeley on Saturday and
they had Fluxus Codex remaindered at
$48 plus the new Fluxus Experience book.
My wallet came in handy.
Neal - I hate to say this now, but if
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jonas Mekas Presente Flux Friends - George Maciunas,Yoko Ono,John Lennon
Centre Georges Pompidou ; ISBN: 284426137X ; (2002/10)
Can anyone point to an online bookshop in Paris, or maybe one in Nice for in person
purchase [ a friend will be there in January] ?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
this is weird. the notice says it's about 160p
. . . you are probably right - I was just guessing since I did not have the book in
front of me - it is about 5.5x8.5 paper and about 3/8 thick.
I know that a similar title was published in Lithuania
about 2 years ago,
Excellent info Bertrand - thanks. . . .
Owen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Searched the web for gossip.
Results 1 - 10 of about 2,870,000.
brilliant !
thanks.
ps :
Searched the web for urinals.
Results 1 - 10 of about 71,800. Search took 0.12
seconds.
richard
Searched the web for
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Here, in Lithuania, one really decent Fluxus book was published some time ago. Though
i'm not sure if it's translated to other languages, but it has got some great pieces
from Maciunas mom's diary, thoughts of Jonas Mekas and other fluxers (you
know who they are) with
I second and third Josh's and Melissa's ideas about a second box for/of the fluxlist.
I am also happy to help out in any way needed along with contributing. It seems to me
that there are two aspects that would be nice to work into this project: 1. a
collection of scores since there have been
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes. As I have also stated backchannel: it is wrong to
exclude people from an open list.
/:b
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Bertrand Clavez wrote:
Dear Allen,
I can't believe you've thrown away these fluxlisters!
and if this is the case, I can't agree with such a choice.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The results of the first box can be found here:
http://www.fluxus.org/FLUXLIST/box1/boxfram.html
I think each person made 50 editions of a work and contributed $5 to cover postage
and materials (the box). Everyone got 1 box with one of each submission. I do not
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
as for the box, what is used for a box what are the dimensions?
mIEKAL - This is a good place to start since it sets the nature and dimensions of the
contributions (nothing that is 10 foot long). since I make a lot of multiples my self
I have a lot of good sources
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Owen, these are excuses. Can you name one worthwhile thing you have
learned from Eric Anderson's posts to FLUXLIST? Can you produce one even
minimally constructive post? His entire output on this list has been to 1.
maintain his assertion that no one in real Fluxus
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Owen,
i'm curious if my e-mail gets to you as i send it, because I keep getting error
e-mail message that your *.edu server can't receive my mail. Or they come to you with
the delay?
Did you get my last reply?
Mindaugas -
Some seem to be coming through, but I think
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
actually what I was thinking of was having a cdr inside of the fluxbox
Im offering to donate the blanks do all the dubbing provided were
still talking 50-100 copy range.
OK, that's what I thought as well - the first box had a CD, but it was by one of the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So my box broke at the hinges has anybody else had that problem yet?
happy new year BTW!
CECIL
Yes, one of the unfortunate sides of using the form of plastic boxes (cheep, with
flexi hinges) that we did. . . .
Owen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
what about some wooden boxes custom made down here in mexico?
cecil
Sounds like a very interesting idea Cecil - what are the options and costs of such a
venture?? - Maybe it does not even have to be custom, might there be some wooden boxes
made for some other use that
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That could be a cool idea... how about we each come up with a box, put our
contribution if 50 or whatever number works into it, ship it and then the
central clearing house shuffles up the boxes so that no one gets the one
they sent? I hope that makes sense.
cecil
This
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I like the jar unless it's really to fragile, in that case I would go for the
globe. Thanks for doing the research.
May good ideas about containers - I think the globe sounds interesting, particularly
if we can get them at a discount price (1.25 right?) - Josh just to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A paint can?
Cans are cool - I have published several multiples in cans and so I know that they can
work very well - I also have a canning press so we could literally can or seal the
box, so that would have to use an opener to get at the contents (kind of
relates to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[process juju] I think it would be interesting to include a
transcript of this design process. In particular it would start to
give some indications of the relationship between ideas, brainstorming,
online collaboration, decision-making (or not), the resulting
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ahgg, no, don't use degradable anything, please! This is a librarian
speaking!
Ah, yes - One of my pieces (Salt Water) was purchased by a book arts collection and
then sent back to me when they realized that the work consisted of a metal can filled
with salt water
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm enjoying this box discussion so much I'm thinking it might be
interesting to make containers the theme of this project. Lots of little
individual-contributed containers, packed nicely together, holding only
themselves. Well...okay...I'll just go back to lurking.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Owen, Do you know any of the history of Fluxus as to how much editing George
did?
At various times quite a bit - although he often said that he only did this because
the artists themselves asked for it. Many people came and went so there were never any
that were out
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=309item=3303265409
check these out on ebay good idea and cheep
Looks interesting and if they don't go higher are fairly cheep. I have seen a number
of publications that were published in VHS boxes and they work
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is it too late to sign up to be part of the BOX
project even if it turns out to be a can?
I don't think so - we really have not begun to do this so any and all are in (if they
want).
Owen
My vote of the mentioned containers (so far) would be for either the cigar box or the
paint can (although I also still like the idea of the globe). I agree with Cecil that
there is no hurry, let's do it but take the time to do it right. As to number
I think that 50 is too small - if there end up
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
so, have we decided what size the coffin will be as yet?
dimensions please + number of participants (75?)
/:b
Since we are still working on the box how about for now we start with the items/works
and set number and max dimensions - so how about the following
Maximum
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Allright, I can see where the paintcan could be construed as so rather
twee. Howza bout we go back to the Ziploc bag, or some other kind of low
rent receptacle. Even a brown paper lunch bag could be used, the crinkling
that would result from the bags repeated handling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hate to jump in last-minute-like, but 75 is a lot more than last time and I
don't think it'll fit in a cigar box unless it's all flat.
Ann - 75 is the total number of the edition not the number of contributors, which I
guess is about 30 or 35 right now.
Owen
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