Solved:
I had edited my maker.ini file, but not realised that Wordpad is not the best
tool for the job - it destroyed the file's UTF-8 format, which was causing my
problems.
Restored from a backup, and everything is hunky-dory again.
So, when editing maker.ini, ensure you use something like
Yeah, Wordpad maintains some level of Word compatibility.
If you need an editor with enhanced features, look at NotePad -- freeware
and pay versions; it's great.
Art
Art Campbell
art.campb...@gmail.com
... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
Hello,
I've now spent hours scouring the list archive and reading dozens of
posts dealing with apparently the same problem as us, but none of the
workarounds and solutions work for us. Please allow me to expose the
problem:
We have a book containing about 500 unstructured one-page documents
That should work. These are the book settings, correct? The FM file
settings are irrelevent in a book setting unless the book is set to
inherit the properties from the files.
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Jakob Fix jakob@gmail.com wrote:
These are our settings:
- next available page is
Next Available Page isn't the only setting to check in the book.
Make sure that you aren't requiring that chapters open on Right pages --
that's the most common setting and it'll force the preceding chapter to add
a page so the current chapter hits the Right page.
Art Campbell
To clarify this... if you're opening a component file outside the book
environment, the file's settings are used, so if you want consistent
behavior, the file pagination settings need to match the book's.
The book pagination only applies if the book environment is present. So if
you're also
While very true (you can't have a piece of paper with only one face,
at least not without applying a hefty dose of quantum physics) this
shouldn't affect the book from chapter to chapter IF the book file has
its own settings and is not inheriting pagination from the files.
Double check the book
I've become a big fan of Notepad++, thanks to a tip from this list.
Jim
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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:26 AM
To: Martin Ley
Cc:
Another thing to check is the first paragraph format for the pagination
start setting (Paragraph Designer-Pagination tab). It should not be set to
start at top of a specific page.
Richard Pesant
richard.pes...@shimadzu.ca
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De : framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
Art Campbell wrote:
Yeah, Wordpad maintains some level of Word compatibility.
Well, WordPad saves files as RTF by default. But you can choose to save
as text, DOS text, or Unicode text.
If you need an editor with enhanced features, look at NotePad --
freeware
and pay versions; it's great.
Good catch. I meant NoteTab at www.notetab.com.
Art
Art Campbell
art.campb...@gmail.com
... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
No disclaimers apply.
Richard, I should have said this in my initial message, but yes I
checked this and found the Pagination Start: Anywhere for the first
paragraph (which is actually the table itself).
On the second page the only thing that's visible (if text symbols is
toggled on) is the § sign. Another
The Section symbol is a paragraph. So if it's on the second page... you have
content there even if there's no textual content.
Art Campbell
art.campb...@gmail.com
... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
There are two settings that affect pagination:
- The Before Saving Printing setting
- The 1st Page Side setting (in the following chapter)
Both of these are found in two locations: the Pagination settings in
each chapter and the Pagination settings in the book file. The
Pagination settings in
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 17:07, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com wrote:
The Section symbol is a paragraph. So if it's on the second page... you have
content there even if there's no textual content.
So this means that Frame doesn't consider it an empty page and doesn't
delete it. Which makes
Also, I just ran Miramo again to regenerate the FrameMaker files and
it turns out that I was wrong, and the initial documents are already
two-page documents with the second page containing simply an empty
paragraph. Mea culpa!
Aha! And yes, just because it's empty doesn't mean it's not there.
Jakob Fix wrote:
So this means that Frame doesn't consider it an empty page and doesn't
delete it. Which makes perfect sense.
Also, I just ran Miramo again to regenerate the FrameMaker files and
it turns out that I was wrong, and the initial documents are already
two-page documents with
You're all right of course, the best thing would be to fix the file
generation by Miramo. Barring that, FrameScript seems like an
acceptable fall-back solution.
Thanks for everybody's replies and help, it's been most helpful to
understand a problem we're fighting with for a quite long time!
Hi Jakob,
You can tell that it's a disconnected page by choosing View Text Symbols
and looking at the page. You can see the section symbol on the second page,
so you know that it is not connected to the page the contains your table.
The first thing I would check it to find out why Miramo is
Rick Quatro wrote:
You can tell that it's a disconnected page by choosing View Text
Symbols
and looking at the page. You can see the section symbol on the second
page,
so you know that it is not connected to the page the contains your
table.
Hmm, I'd forgotten to consider the possibility
All,
Since hearing about some problems with TCS 2, I'm concerned about the issue
below that I've encountered. A quick look at the Adobe forums didn't garner
an answer.
I have a fully licensed version of TCS2 on my laptop. I first installed it
as the trial version, then entered my serial number
I've used this program: http://www.adobe.com/support/contact/licensing.html
and it's mentioned on the TCS User's Group site (by me).
Art Campbell
art.campb...@gmail.com
... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
Jakob Fix wrote:
Richard, I should have said this in my initial message, but yes I
checked this and found the Pagination Start: Anywhere for the first
paragraph (which is actually the table itself).
The table itself, the Table Title pgf, or the pgf containing the table
anchor? All three
Please find a screenshot of the section break/discontinued page here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfix/4190175063/sizes/o/
Page eight is the first page, page nine the last page of the document.
Although Rick explained it to me, I still have problems recognizing
that this is a disconnected page
Hi Jakob,
Click in the paragraph on the second page. Now press your up arrow key
several times. If this was a connected page, the cursor would move up to
page one, but it never will because the page is disconnected.
Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
r...@frameexpert.com
Rick Quatro wrote:
Click in the paragraph on the second page. Now press your up arrow key
several times. If this was a connected page, the cursor would move up
to
page one, but it never will because the page is disconnected.
Since the screenshot shows the table ending near the bottom of the
I don't have FrameMaker available now, but IIRC, there's a setting
under Edit Update that can turn off automatic checking of links when
a file is opened. I can't remember if it's book-wide, document-wide,
or application-wide, depending on the active context when you set it.
Regards,
Peter
Text insets and cross-references that are updated automatically (upon opening
the file), even if no changes result, will also cause Frame to think the file
is modified. Took me a while to figure that out, as it is very confusing to
simply open a file and have FM indicate that it's been
Rick Quatro wrote:
Hi Jakob,
Click in the paragraph on the second page. Now press your up arrow key
several times. If this was a connected page, the cursor would move up to
page one, but it never will because the page is disconnected.
Or select the entire table (Ctrl-triple-click) and
Peter Gold wrote:
I don't have FrameMaker available now, but IIRC, there's a setting
under Edit Update that can turn off automatic checking of links when
a file is opened. I can't remember if it's book-wide, document-wide,
or application-wide, depending on the active context when you set
Thanks Stuart, all very useful information. It's been some time that I
haven't used FrameMaker in-depth ...
Jakob.
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 18:24, Stuart Rogers
srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com wrote:
Jakob Fix wrote:
Richard, I should have said this in my initial message, but yes I
checked
I would just like to thank everybody on the list who chimed in with
ideas, comments and help for their replies. Initially, I thought the
fact that we generate the files with Miramo was secondary, but thanks
to the list I was proven wrong. I've learned a lot today, and it was a
pleasure doing so.
Hi, all.
I have several TOC entries that wrap to a second line. I have made sure that
there are multiple tabs in the TOC formats, and the two-line TOC entries do
wrap correctly, have leader dots on the second line, and have correctly tabbed
page numbers.
So, in the FrameMaker TOC they look
Thanks, Art.
Hmm, I'm not seeing the error that page refers to (Licensing for this
product has stopped working). I get window whose title says Trial Version
Expired, then there's the space to enter the serial number. I guess I could
enter it, but I'm just concerned about the issues I've heard
Solved:
I had edited my maker.ini file, but not realised that Wordpad is not the best
tool for the job - it destroyed the file's UTF-8 format, which was causing my
problems.
Restored from a backup, and everything is hunky-dory again.
So, when editing maker.ini, ensure you use something like
Yeah, Wordpad maintains some level of Word compatibility.
If you need an editor with enhanced features, look at NotePad -- freeware
and pay versions; it's great.
Art
Art Campbell
art.campbell at gmail.com
"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
Hello,
I've now spent hours scouring the list archive and reading dozens of
posts dealing with apparently the same problem as us, but none of the
workarounds and solutions work for us. ?Please allow me to expose the
problem:
We have a book containing about 500 unstructured one-page documents
That should work. These are the book settings, correct? The FM file
settings are irrelevent in a book setting unless the book is set to
inherit the properties from the files.
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Jakob Fix wrote:
> These are our settings:
> - next available page is applied to all
"Next Available Page" isn't the only setting to check in the book.
Make sure that you aren't requiring that chapters open on Right pages --
that's the most common setting and it'll force the preceding chapter to add
a page so the current chapter hits the Right page.
Art Campbell
To clarify this... if you're opening a component file outside the book
environment, the file's settings are used, so if you want consistent
behavior, the file pagination settings need to match the book's.
The book pagination only applies if the book environment is present. So if
you're also
While very true (you can't have a piece of paper with only one face,
at least not without applying a hefty dose of quantum physics) this
shouldn't affect the book from chapter to chapter IF the book file has
its own settings and is not inheriting pagination from the files.
Double check the book
I've become a big fan of Notepad++, thanks to a tip from this list.
Jim
-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:26 AM
To: Martin Ley
Cc: framers at
Another thing to check is the first paragraph format for the pagination
start setting (Paragraph Designer->Pagination tab). It should not be set to
start at top of a specific page.
Richard Pesant
richard.pesant at shimadzu.ca
-Message d'origine-
De?: framers-bounces at
Art Campbell wrote:
> Yeah, Wordpad maintains some level of Word compatibility.
Well, WordPad saves files as RTF by default. But you can choose to save
as text, DOS text, or Unicode text.
> If you need an editor with enhanced features, look at NotePad --
freeware
> and pay versions; it's
Good catch. I meant NoteTab at www.notetab.com.
Art
Art Campbell
art.campbell at gmail.com
"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
No disclaimers apply.
Richard, I should have said this in my initial message, but yes I
checked this and found the Pagination > Start: Anywhere for the first
paragraph (which is actually the table itself).
On the second page the only thing that's visible (if text symbols is
toggled on) is the ? sign. Another
The Section symbol is a paragraph. So if it's on the second page... you have
content there even if there's no textual content.
Art Campbell
art.campbell at gmail.com
"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
There are two settings that affect pagination:
- The "Before Saving & Printing" setting
- The "1st Page Side" setting (in the following chapter)
Both of these are found in two locations: the Pagination settings in
each chapter and the Pagination settings in the book file. The
Pagination settings
> Also, I just ran Miramo again to regenerate the FrameMaker files and
> it turns out that I was wrong, and the initial documents are already
> two-page documents with the second page containing simply an empty
> paragraph. Mea culpa!
Aha! And yes, just because it's empty doesn't mean it's not
Jakob Fix wrote:
> So this means that Frame doesn't consider it an empty page and doesn't
> delete it. Which makes perfect sense.
>
> Also, I just ran Miramo again to regenerate the FrameMaker files and
> it turns out that I was wrong, and the initial documents are already
> two-page documents
You're all right of course, the best thing would be to fix the file
generation by Miramo. Barring that, FrameScript seems like an
acceptable fall-back solution.
Thanks for everybody's replies and help, it's been most helpful to
understand a problem we're fighting with for a quite long time!
Hi Jakob,
You can tell that it's a disconnected page by choosing View > Text Symbols
and looking at the page. You can see the section symbol on the second page,
so you know that it is not connected to the page the contains your table.
The first thing I would check it to find out why Miramo is
Rick Quatro wrote:
> You can tell that it's a disconnected page by choosing View > Text
Symbols
> and looking at the page. You can see the section symbol on the second
page,
> so you know that it is not connected to the page the contains your
table.
Hmm, I'd forgotten to consider the
All,
Since hearing about some problems with TCS 2, I'm concerned about the issue
below that I've encountered. A quick look at the Adobe forums didn't garner
an answer.
I have a fully licensed version of TCS2 on my laptop. I first installed it
as the trial version, then entered my serial number
> But the last page of the doc is always going to have a section symbol
> (end of flow).
I meant the last _non-empty_ page, of course. :-}
Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--
Jakob Fix wrote:
> Richard, I should have said this in my initial message, but yes I
> checked this and found the Pagination > Start: Anywhere for the first
> paragraph (which is actually the table itself).
The table itself, the Table Title pgf, or the pgf containing the table
anchor? All three
Hi Richard,
I forgot to mention that Jabok send me some of his files to look at. That's
how I knew about the disconnected page.
Rick
Hmm, I'd forgotten to consider the possibility of a disconnected page.
But the last page of the doc is always going to have a section symbol
(end of flow).
If
I've used this program: http://www.adobe.com/support/contact/licensing.html
and it's mentioned on the TCS User's Group site (by me).
Art Campbell
art.campbell at gmail.com
"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
Please find a screenshot of the section break/discontinued page here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfix/4190175063/sizes/o/
Page eight is the first page, page nine the last page of the document.
Although Rick explained it to me, I still have problems recognizing
that this is a disconnected page
Hi Jakob,
Click in the paragraph on the second page. Now press your up arrow key
several times. If this was a connected page, the cursor would move up to
page one, but it never will because the page is disconnected.
Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
rick at frameexpert.com
Text insets and cross-references that are updated automatically (upon opening
the file),? even if no changes result, will also cause Frame to think the file
is modified.? Took me a while to figure that out, as it is very confusing to
simply open a file and have FM indicate that it's been
Rick Quatro wrote:
> Click in the paragraph on the second page. Now press your up arrow key
> several times. If this was a connected page, the cursor would move up
to
> page one, but it never will because the page is disconnected.
Since the screenshot shows the table ending near the bottom of
I don't have FrameMaker available now, but IIRC, there's a setting
under Edit > Update that can turn off automatic checking of links when
a file is opened. I can't remember if it's book-wide, document-wide,
or application-wide, depending on the active context when you set it.
Regards,
Peter
> Text insets and cross-references that are updated automatically (upon opening
> the file), even if no changes result, will also cause Frame to think the file
> is modified. Took me a while to figure that out, as it is very confusing to
> simply open a file and have FM indicate that it's been
Rick Quatro wrote:
> Hi Jakob,
>
> Click in the paragraph on the second page. Now press your up arrow key
> several times. If this was a connected page, the cursor would move up to
> page one, but it never will because the page is disconnected.
>
Or select the entire table (Ctrl-triple-click)
Peter Gold wrote:
> I don't have FrameMaker available now, but IIRC, there's a setting
> under Edit > Update that can turn off automatic checking of links when
> a file is opened. I can't remember if it's book-wide, document-wide,
> or application-wide, depending on the active context when you
Thanks Stuart, all very useful information. It's been some time that I
haven't used FrameMaker in-depth ...
Jakob.
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 18:24, Stuart Rogers
wrote:
> Jakob Fix wrote:
>>
>> Richard, I should have said this in my initial message, but yes I
>> checked this and found the
I would just like to thank everybody on the list who chimed in with
ideas, comments and help for their replies. Initially, I thought the
fact that we generate the files with Miramo was secondary, but thanks
to the list I was proven wrong. I've learned a lot today, and it was a
pleasure doing so.
Hi, all.
I have several TOC entries that wrap to a second line. I have made sure that
there are multiple tabs in the TOC formats, and the two-line TOC entries do
wrap correctly, have leader dots on the second line, and have correctly tabbed
page numbers.
So, in the FrameMaker TOC they look
Thanks, Art.
Hmm, I'm not seeing the error that page refers to ("Licensing for this
product has stopped working"). I get window whose title says Trial Version
Expired, then there's the space to enter the serial number. I guess I could
enter it, but I'm just concerned about the issues I've heard
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