Re: Auto-creating tables

[Rainbow Zhang]

Hi Belinda,

I have a question about this. If put the table in the graphic frame on the
reference page as you suggested, the table can't be edited on body pages.
although it can be edited on reference page, the same content of the table
will be disaplayed under the every heading.

are you successfull to auto-create tables that can be edited on the body
pages? If OK, Could you please tell me the specific procedure?
Best regards

Rainbow



2006/5/18, Lebbink, Belinda (RBI-NL) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Hello,

You are thinking in the right direction.
Put a graphic frame on the reference page (name it), in there a text
frame and create in the text frame a table.
Call the graphic frame via the frame below paragraph function on the
advanced tab of the paragraph designer as you saying below.


Greetings,

Belinda

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RE: numbering conundrum

[Harro de Jong]

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 Good question - I forgot to mention this.  When I insert
 another one after
 the second 7.1 (the incorrect one), I get a 7.2. I have
 turned on all my
 conditions and have looked for any special/weird tag before
 the incorrect
 7.1 tag and none are present. Also, I don't have any other
 tags that are
 numbered with a series beginning with s. , If I insert a second
 SecID after the correct 7.1 or 7.2, the numbering is just fine.
 It's only after
 I insert this secID tag after the 7.3 that renumbering
 starts. I am going
 nutso' with this.


Do any SecID tags have overrides? I've had a similar problem once, and
was able to solve it by reapplying the paragraph format. 

This is all in a single file? If multiple files are involved, check the
Numbering properties in the bookfile. 

Harro de Jong
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RE: numbering conundrum

[Tammy . VanBoening]

Nope, no overrides (thanks for prompting me to check this) and it's all in 
a single file. I have just back-tracked and cut out everything between the 
good Sec 7.3 and the bad  Sec 7.1, then inserted a Sec ID tag after 
the good Sec 7.3 and voila, I get a Sec 7.4, so it's something in this 
stretch of documentation, altho' for the life of me, I can't figure it 
out. Anyway, in between the 7.3 and 7.4, I am pasting, one paragraph at a 
time, the cut material and seeing when I get the 7.4 to flip back to 7.1 - 
then I know which paragraph, for whatever reason, is causing me fits. I 
can't think of anything else to do.

Thanks everyone for all of your suggestions. 

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
303-328-4420
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Good question - I forgot to mention this.  When I insert
 another one after
 the second 7.1 (the incorrect one), I get a 7.2. I have
 turned on all my
 conditions and have looked for any special/weird tag before
 the incorrect
 7.1 tag and none are present. Also, I don't have any other
 tags that are
 numbered with a series beginning with s. , If I insert a second
 SecID after the correct 7.1 or 7.2, the numbering is just fine.
 It's only after
 I insert this secID tag after the 7.3 that renumbering
 starts. I am going
 nutso' with this.


Do any SecID tags have overrides? I've had a similar problem once, and
was able to solve it by reapplying the paragraph format. 

This is all in a single file? If multiple files are involved, check the
Numbering properties in the bookfile. 

Harro de Jong
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RE: numbering conundrum

[Steve Rickaby]

At 08:03 -0600 23/5/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Good question - I forgot to mention this.  When I insert another one after  
the second 7.1 (the incorrect one), I get a 7.2. I have turned on all my  
conditions and have looked for any special/weird tag before the incorrect  7.1 
tag and none are present.

If you want to send me a test file, I'll pick it over for you.

Also, I don't have any other tags that are  numbered with a series beginning 
with s.

In your initial mail, you said that you were numbering on 'S'. 's' and 'S' are 
not the same numbering thread: numbering thread numbers are case-sensitive. 
(Maybe a slip of the finger, tho').
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RE: numbering conundrum

[Harro de Jong]

 



Nope, no overrides (thanks for prompting me to check this) and
it's all in a single file. I have just back-tracked and cut out
everything between the good Sec 7.3 and the bad  Sec 7.1, then
inserted a Sec ID tag after the good Sec 7.3 and voila, I get a Sec 7.4,
so it's something in this stretch of documentation, altho' for the life
of me, I can't figure it out. Anyway, in between the 7.3 and 7.4, I am
pasting, one paragraph at a time, the cut material and seeing when I get
the 7.4 to flip back to 7.1 - then I know which paragraph, for whatever
reason, is causing me fits. I can't think of anything else to do. 
 

One more suggestion: check your text flows. The numbering may restart
because the text flows aren't connected, or because you're using two
flows. 
 
Harro de Jong
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Re: What do you use for PDF Generation?

[Ron Teplitz]

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Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 16:01:28 -0700
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Subject: What do you use for PDF generation?
To: framers framers@frameusers.com
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Hi, all.

Pardon the slightly unrelated to FrameMaker questions, but I am figure
I am not too far off the mark here, since you all are likely to be very
familiar with similar polices to what I describe here.

We are standardizing on a new policy that documents/files sent outside
the company must be in PDF form only. No Word or Excel (typically) or
FrameMaker (of course! :) ) files. And, obviously, it does not include
text e-mail!

This means that we must install PDF creation software on all our user
computers ... including laptops and ones that may not be connected to the
Internet at all times.

Acrobat Professional is too expensive a solution for this, plus it is
overkill for most of our employees. We have some people who only create
documents and files in Word or Excel for example.

Hence, my questions:

1. What are you all using for PDF file creation?

2. Does it allow forms? I.e., for external folks to fill in fields and
send back the form!

3. What would you recommend we do, if you were setting up a similar
policy?

Thanks!

Z
 


Z,

Every copy of Frame I've seen for a long time included Acrobat 
Distiller, going back to at least FM 6.0. Distiller does all of what 
many folks need in the way of PDF generation. What version of Frame do 
you have? Have you checked to see if your distribution included Distiller?


Cheers,
Ron

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RE: Printing CE character tcaron to PDF

[Laura_J_Kirk]

Well, I guess you put me in my place, eh? Nice job. I'll be sure not to 
try to guess why Framemaker is screwing up any more.

By the way, in all that vituperative prose, did you actually explain why 
certain CE characters, which print properly, do not appear in PDF 
documents?

Your explanation was a bit obtuse to me. Perhaps you could dumb it down 
for those of us who do not possess the knowledge.


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FM6 Error on PNG Import

[Roger Fienhold Sheen]

Framers,

When I try to import certain PNG files by reference in FM v6.0p405
(Windows), FM throws an error: Cannot display some imported graphics. The
images will appear as gray boxes.

The exact same images are handled without error by FM v7.0p579  v7.2p158.

Other PNGs are not causing problems under FM6. At first I thought it might
be related to the pixel depth, as all problem images were 24-bit PNGs, but
then I discovered that some of those that work are also 24-bit.

Any idea what's causing the issue and how to avoid it?

At this client, PNGs are created by a variety of sources using various
different tools ranging from the XP version of Paint, through IrfanView,
HyperSnap, PSP, etc. I'd like to be able to recommend settings to content
contributors to help avoid such problems.

Thanks in advance for any help you can offer,

Roger
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Hypertext Link Strangeness

[Donald M Rinderknecht]

Hi All,

I've got one for you I am making hypertext links active in the PDF 
output by using a message URL hypertext marker. I use a character tag 
to identify the text to include in the link. This has worked fine for me 
in the past in unstructured docs.


I have recently noticed that in my structured doc the link is not 
working the way I expect. In some cases I get only a part of the address 
in the link or no active link at all.


Could this be related to 7.2 or the fact that I am using a structured 
doc? Do I need to define an element for the link?


Thanks,
Don.

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PDF Generation question

[Tammy . VanBoening]

Framemaker 7.1, Windows XP, Adobe Acrobat 7.0.

In my Framemaker source files, I have the following tags set to appear in 
my TOC: ChapTitle, SecTitle, Head1, Head2, Head3, and Head4. All tags 
appear as expected with the proper indentations, in the proper order,  and 
with all links working in the TOC. Only one chapter (Chapter 7) uses the 
SecTitle tag; however, as noted, it appears as expected in the TOC with 
the proper numbering (SecID), in the proper order, and the links from 
SecTitleTOC work just fine.  When I generate my PDF from this file, 
however, this is a different story.

I do have the following:

Printer: Adobe PDF
Under PDF Setup, I have Generate Bookmarks checked. In the Include 
Paragraphs, I do have these tags:  ChapTitle, SecTitle, Head1, Head2, 
Head3, and Head4 and I have Include Paragraphs Tags in bookmark text 
selected (for troublshooting purposes). I also have Create Named 
Destinations Set under Links and I have confirmed that the chapter-level 
PDF settings are the same as the book.

When I generate the PDF from the FM source file, I get the bookmark for 
ChapTitle for Chap 7 appearing; however, the other bookmarks that should 
appear underneath (SecTitle, Head1, etc.) are appearing underneath Chapter 
6  - In other words, the top level SecTitles (with all of the Head1, Head2 
below collapsed) are appearing in order, but as the last tags beneath 
Chapter 6. 

Like I said, Chap 7 is the chapter that uses the SecTitle paragraph, so 
why are these bookmarks being placed under Chapter 6?

Thanks,

TVB



Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
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Re: PDF Generation question

[Tammy . VanBoening]

LOL! I will try squinting. To answer several questions:

1.) Nope, SecTitle is not in a separate text flow.
2.) Yep, the TOC in my Framemaker source book generates just as expected 
with the SecTitles in the proper order under Chapter 7.
3.) Yep, I have tried regenerating my book after solving the numbering 
problem and nope, same results - the tags are stuck as the last tags under 
Chapter 6.
4.) Yep, I have tried the suggestion of nested numbering with zero-ing out 
placeholders and nope, still doesn't put the SecTitle bookmarks under 
Chapter 7 in the PDF.

I give!

Thanks!

TVB 

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
303-328-4420
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05/23/2006 10:35 AM

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Re: PDF Generation question






At 09:55 -0600 23/5/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

When I generate the PDF from the FM source file, I get the bookmark for
ChapTitle for Chap 7 appearing; however, the other bookmarks that should
appear underneath (SecTitle, Head1, etc.) are appearing underneath 
Chapter
6  - In other words, the top level SecTitles (with all of the Head1, 
Head2
below collapsed) are appearing in order, but as the last tags beneath
Chapter 6.

This has long been a problem with bookmarks generated from FrameMaker 
(since v 5.0 at least). I have long since given up trying to diagnose it, 
and just edit the bookmarks in Acrobat.

I think if you look at it sideways with eyes narrowed, you'd see that it's 
the top level bookmark that is misplaced, not the lower level ones ;-)

I'd also be interested in illumination.
-- 
Steve

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RE: Printing CE character tcaron to PDF

[Dov Isaacs]

LJK,

I am very sorry if you think that I was trying to put you
in your place whatever that means.

What I was explaining in my response was that the Adobe
Knowledgebase article to which you referred
http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/324972.html
has nothing to do with lapses in CE characters printing,
but rather a generic problem with any arbitrary text 
failing to print.

It is very important to understand that the CE characters
in question are not officially supported in FrameMaker's
character set. (I am NOT applauding that lack of support
and really hope that some future version of FrameMaker
fully supports Unicode!)

Many users have been successful at coercing FrameMaker to
support CE and other character sets via Windows code page
hackery which effectively occurs when you use other
print drivers. The Adobe PDF PostScript print driver 
instance reports no fonts to the operating system and
that may be why the CE characters specifically do not
print.

- Dov
 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:52 AM
 To: Dov Isaacs; Framers@FrameUsers.com
 Subject: RE: Printing CE character tcaron to PDF
 
 Well, I guess you put me in my place, eh? Nice job. I'll be 
 sure not to try to guess why Framemaker is screwing up any more.
 
 By the way, in all that vituperative prose, did you actually 
 explain why certain CE characters, which print properly, do 
 not appear in PDF documents?
 
 Your explanation was a bit obtuse to me. Perhaps you could 
 dumb it down 
 for those of us who do not possess the knowledge.
 
 
 ljk
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Re: PDF Generation question

[Tammy . VanBoening]

And one more thing - if I leave my SecTitle out of my bookmarks list, all 
of my bookmarks for Chapter 7 are still being placed under Chapter 6. Now 
I really give.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
303-328-4420
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LOL! I will try squinting. To answer several questions:

1.) Nope, SecTitle is not in a separate text flow.
2.) Yep, the TOC in my Framemaker source book generates just as expected 
with the SecTitles in the proper order under Chapter 7.
3.) Yep, I have tried regenerating my book after solving the numbering 
problem and nope, same results - the tags are stuck as the last tags under 

Chapter 6.
4.) Yep, I have tried the suggestion of nested numbering with zero-ing out 

placeholders and nope, still doesn't put the SecTitle bookmarks under 
Chapter 7 in the PDF.

I give!

Thanks!

TVB 

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
303-328-4420
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Steve Rickaby [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
05/23/2006 10:35 AM

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Subject
Re: PDF Generation question






At 09:55 -0600 23/5/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

When I generate the PDF from the FM source file, I get the bookmark for
ChapTitle for Chap 7 appearing; however, the other bookmarks that should
appear underneath (SecTitle, Head1, etc.) are appearing underneath 
Chapter
6  - In other words, the top level SecTitles (with all of the Head1, 
Head2
below collapsed) are appearing in order, but as the last tags beneath
Chapter 6.

This has long been a problem with bookmarks generated from FrameMaker 
(since v 5.0 at least). I have long since given up trying to diagnose it, 
and just edit the bookmarks in Acrobat.

I think if you look at it sideways with eyes narrowed, you'd see that it's 

the top level bookmark that is misplaced, not the lower level ones ;-)

I'd also be interested in illumination.
-- 
Steve

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Re: What do you use for PDF Generation?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Ron Teplitz wrote:
Every copy of Frame I've seen for a long time included Acrobat 
Distiller, going back to at least FM 6.0. Distiller does all of what 
many folks need in the way of PDF generation. What version of Frame do 
you have? Have you checked to see if your distribution included Distiller?


Cheers,
Ron


Oh, I should have been clearer. I definitely use Acrobat Pro 7 for
my PDF creation! With output from FrameMaker and all other programs
too. :)

My questions related to the fact that we need to get PDF creation
ability for *all* the employees in our company, and the price of
Acrobat Pro (or Standard, too) would be very prohibitive. These
folks mostly do not use FrameMaker ... most are simply using Word
and Excel for their daily stuff.

Right now, I am leaning towards either Acrobat Elements or PDF995
as the preferred solution for this new policy ... those seem to
have garnered the most votes too, but I do plan on quickly looking
at some of the open-source freebie stuff as well.

What I have tried and did NOT like: PDF-Xchange. This came as a
freebie demo with some app that I got, and it simply crashes too 
often on my system. Not good enough.


Another one that was still a tad bit too expensive (as an Enterprise
total cost) was PDF Convertor 3 from Nuance. I liked it (I use my
copy of the PDF to Word convertor on occasion), but the total cost
is a bit high.

This is why PDF995 is leading the pack right now ...

Thanks!

Z


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Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 16:01:28 -0700
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: What do you use for PDF generation?
To: framers framers@frameusers.com
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Hi, all.

Pardon the slightly unrelated to FrameMaker questions, but I am figure
I am not too far off the mark here, since you all are likely to be very
familiar with similar polices to what I describe here.

We are standardizing on a new policy that documents/files sent outside
the company must be in PDF form only. No Word or Excel (typically) or
FrameMaker (of course! :) ) files. And, obviously, it does not include
text e-mail!

This means that we must install PDF creation software on all our user
computers ... including laptops and ones that may not be connected to the
Internet at all times.

Acrobat Professional is too expensive a solution for this, plus it is
overkill for most of our employees. We have some people who only create
documents and files in Word or Excel for example.

Hence, my questions:

1. What are you all using for PDF file creation?

2. Does it allow forms? I.e., for external folks to fill in fields and
send back the form!

3. What would you recommend we do, if you were setting up a similar
policy?

Thanks!

Z


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Re: What do you use for PDF Generation?

[Mike McCallister]

Z,

One other possibility is to have folks import their Word docs into
OpenOffice, and then Save as PDF.  OO does a very nice job.  I don't
have experience converting Excel to PDF in OO, but that should be OK
too.

Hope this helps,

Mike McCallister

On 5/23/06, Syed Zaeem Hosain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


My questions related to the fact that we need to get PDF creation
ability for *all* the employees in our company, and the price of
Acrobat Pro (or Standard, too) would be very prohibitive. These
folks mostly do not use FrameMaker ... most are simply using Word
and Excel for their daily stuff.

Right now, I am leaning towards either Acrobat Elements or PDF995
as the preferred solution for this new policy ... those seem to
have garnered the most votes too, but I do plan on quickly looking
at some of the open-source freebie stuff as well.




 Hence, my questions:

 1. What are you all using for PDF file creation?

 2. Does it allow forms? I.e., for external folks to fill in fields and
 send back the form!

 3. What would you recommend we do, if you were setting up a similar
 policy?

 Thanks!

 Z

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Re: What do you use for PDF Generation?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Hi, Dov.

Dov Isaacs wrote:

A word of advice. Before you go loading up on el'cheapo
$9.95 PDF creation software, make sure that what it generates
is really kosher. We quite often see problems when these
PDF files escape the environment in which they were created
and attempts are made to either combine them with other PDF
files in Acrobat or to place them in FrameMaker, InDesign,
or elsewhere. Problems often manifest themselves as funky font
definitions with improper names and encodings that cause
chaos when attempts are made to repurpose those PDF files.
Just because those other employees are not publishing vast
tomes doesn't mean that they should have shoddy tools.


Good points, yes!

We have some people who create print-quality documents for which
we need to be sure that the PDF's are very high quality. For these
folks, we have Acrobat Pro installed on their systems - the right
way to go for sure!

It is the rest of the folks, who send out docs and files outside
our company for reading or review and other purposes, that we want
to have in PDF format. The purpose is to avoid having original
documents out there. The policy was created because we got burned
by properties information in a Word doc recently - an older doc
was used to create a new one and ... oops!

None of the PDF's from these other employees is likely to be used
in situations where they might cause problems like you mention.
So, I am fairly confident (but keeping my fingers crossed till I
test some more) that we should be okay with something like PDF995.

But, I will definitely try things out in detail before proceeding ...

Of course, if Adobe Elements were a LOT lower in price for multiple
copies, or the server version of Acrobat was not so crazily over-
priced for our simple needs (less than 50 employees total!), we
would not be looking at cheaper alternatives. Hint, hint! :)

Thanks for the input regardless! It is appreciated.

Z


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 10:09 AM
To: Ron Teplitz
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: What do you use for PDF Generation?

Ron Teplitz wrote:
Every copy of Frame I've seen for a long time included Acrobat 
Distiller, going back to at least FM 6.0. Distiller does 
all of what 
many folks need in the way of PDF generation. What version 
of Frame do 
you have? Have you checked to see if your distribution 

included Distiller?

Cheers,
Ron
Oh, I should have been clearer. I definitely use Acrobat Pro 
7 for my PDF creation! With output from FrameMaker and all 
other programs too. :)


My questions related to the fact that we need to get PDF 
creation ability for *all* the employees in our company, and 
the price of Acrobat Pro (or Standard, too) would be very 
prohibitive. These folks mostly do not use FrameMaker ... 
most are simply using Word and Excel for their daily stuff.


Right now, I am leaning towards either Acrobat Elements or 
PDF995 as the preferred solution for this new policy ... 
those seem to have garnered the most votes too, but I do 
plan on quickly looking at some of the open-source freebie 
stuff as well.


What I have tried and did NOT like: PDF-Xchange. This came as 
a freebie demo with some app that I got, and it simply 
crashes too often on my system. Not good enough.


Another one that was still a tad bit too expensive (as an 
Enterprise total cost) was PDF Convertor 3 from Nuance. I 
liked it (I use my copy of the PDF to Word convertor on 
occasion), but the total cost is a bit high.


This is why PDF995 is leading the pack right now ...

Thanks!

Z

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RE: What do you use for PDF Generation?

[Dov Isaacs]

Hint, hint ... I am just a dumb engineer here at Adobe.
I don't set the prices or have any influence over those
issues.

By the way, when dealing with Wurd documents, even with
PDF, be very careful that the properties don't migrate
to the PDF file. When you use the PDFMaker facility of
Acrobat some of that information in the Wurd document
does make its way into the Description part of 
Document Properties  !

- Dov 

 -Original Message-
 From: Syed Zaeem Hosain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:36 PM
 To: Dov Isaacs
 Cc: Ron Teplitz; Framers@frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: What do you use for PDF Generation?
 
 Hi, Dov.
 
 Dov Isaacs wrote:
  A word of advice. Before you go loading up on el'cheapo
  $9.95 PDF creation software, make sure that what it generates
  is really kosher. We quite often see problems when these
  PDF files escape the environment in which they were created
  and attempts are made to either combine them with other PDF
  files in Acrobat or to place them in FrameMaker, InDesign,
  or elsewhere. Problems often manifest themselves as funky font
  definitions with improper names and encodings that cause
  chaos when attempts are made to repurpose those PDF files.
  Just because those other employees are not publishing vast
  tomes doesn't mean that they should have shoddy tools.
 
 Good points, yes!
 
 We have some people who create print-quality documents for which
 we need to be sure that the PDF's are very high quality. For these
 folks, we have Acrobat Pro installed on their systems - the right
 way to go for sure!
 
 It is the rest of the folks, who send out docs and files outside
 our company for reading or review and other purposes, that we want
 to have in PDF format. The purpose is to avoid having original
 documents out there. The policy was created because we got burned
 by properties information in a Word doc recently - an older doc
 was used to create a new one and ... oops!
 
 None of the PDF's from these other employees is likely to be used
 in situations where they might cause problems like you mention.
 So, I am fairly confident (but keeping my fingers crossed till I
 test some more) that we should be okay with something like PDF995.
 
 But, I will definitely try things out in detail before proceeding ...
 
 Of course, if Adobe Elements were a LOT lower in price for multiple
 copies, or the server version of Acrobat was not so crazily over-
 priced for our simple needs (less than 50 employees total!), we
 would not be looking at cheaper alternatives. Hint, hint! :)
 
 Thanks for the input regardless! It is appreciated.
 
 Z
 
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Re: What do you use for PDF Generation?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Hi, Dov.

Dov Isaacs wrote:

Hint, hint ... I am just a dumb engineer here at Adobe.
I don't set the prices or have any influence over those
issues.


Oops, I was not aiming that at you per se! Sorry about that.


By the way, when dealing with Wurd documents, even with
PDF, be very careful that the properties don't migrate
to the PDF file. When you use the PDFMaker facility of
Acrobat some of that information in the Wurd document
does make its way into the Description part of 
Document Properties  !


Ouch. I did not know this happened. I will check my stuff
very carefully then and set it up properly. Is there a way
to disable this permanently, like a setting, in Acrobat so
that it does not occur as a matter of course?

Z


-Original Message-
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:36 PM

To: Dov Isaacs
Cc: Ron Teplitz; Framers@frameusers.com
Subject: Re: What do you use for PDF Generation?

Hi, Dov.

Dov Isaacs wrote:

A word of advice. Before you go loading up on el'cheapo
$9.95 PDF creation software, make sure that what it generates
is really kosher. We quite often see problems when these
PDF files escape the environment in which they were created
and attempts are made to either combine them with other PDF
files in Acrobat or to place them in FrameMaker, InDesign,
or elsewhere. Problems often manifest themselves as funky font
definitions with improper names and encodings that cause
chaos when attempts are made to repurpose those PDF files.
Just because those other employees are not publishing vast
tomes doesn't mean that they should have shoddy tools.

Good points, yes!

We have some people who create print-quality documents for which
we need to be sure that the PDF's are very high quality. For these
folks, we have Acrobat Pro installed on their systems - the right
way to go for sure!

It is the rest of the folks, who send out docs and files outside
our company for reading or review and other purposes, that we want
to have in PDF format. The purpose is to avoid having original
documents out there. The policy was created because we got burned
by properties information in a Word doc recently - an older doc
was used to create a new one and ... oops!

None of the PDF's from these other employees is likely to be used
in situations where they might cause problems like you mention.
So, I am fairly confident (but keeping my fingers crossed till I
test some more) that we should be okay with something like PDF995.

But, I will definitely try things out in detail before proceeding ...

Of course, if Adobe Elements were a LOT lower in price for multiple
copies, or the server version of Acrobat was not so crazily over-
priced for our simple needs (less than 50 employees total!), we
would not be looking at cheaper alternatives. Hint, hint! :)

Thanks for the input regardless! It is appreciated.

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RE: Hollow bullets?

[Dov Isaacs]

The hollow bullet appears to be taken from Courier New.
It is also in Times New Roman and Arial as well (not on
the Mac version of these fonts, though) as Unicode 25CB.
It is also in Adobe's OpenType version of Courier, 
Courier Std.

However, without Unicode support, you cannot access that
character from within FrameMaker. Sorry! You'll need to
find a font that has it as a symbol in the lower 256
and that maps to FrameMaker.

- Dov


 -Original Message-
 From: Guy K. Haas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 3:42 PM
 To: framers@frameusers.com
 Cc: Dov Isaacs
 Subject: Hollow bullets?
 
 Does anybody out there, including the dumb engineer, have 
 any advice on how to get FrameMaker 7.2 to have the same 
 three levels of bullets that Wurd produces natively?
 
 We do our FrameMaker on WindowsXP and produce PDFs so far, 
 though we may well get into WebWorks and online help after a while.
 
 Solid black circles above the text baseline for the outermost 
 level are the FrameMaker norm.
 
 Those second-level hollow bullets (black perimeter, white 
 interior, above the text baseline) are not in the fonts we 
 use, nor the character tables in the FrameMaker 
 documentation, nor in Wingdings, nor WebDings.
 
 The third-level would be en-dashes or hyphens.
 
 But without access to the hollow bullet, I'm stuck with only 
 two levels: 
 the solid dots and the en-dash or hyphen.
 
 Do we need to buy a font?  (Could I just buy a vowel?)
 
 --Guy K. Haas
Software Exegete in Silicon Valley
 
 
 
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numbering conundrum

[rebecca officer]

Maybe you've got another tag using the S: series and that other tag resets the 
numbering, and a paragraph uses the other tag after section 7.3. To see if this 
is the problem, change the S: in your SecID to another letter that you're sure 
no other scheme uses.

Cheers, Rebecca

>>>  23/05/06 10:23:22 >>>
I have created a tag named SecID to identify sections in my book chapters. 
It is set to autonumber according to the following format: S:Section 
<$chapnum>\=\sm. I have this tag set to start at the top of page and I 
auto-apply a Custom Master Page to the page that uses this Section ID. 
This page is named SectionDivider. For sections 1 through 3, it is working 
just beautifully - I get a page with Section 7-1, a page with section 7-2 
and page with Section 7-3.  Now, all of a sudden, when I go to apply this 
tag to a page, the numbering is being reset to 7-1 and it won't change. 
After counting beautifully to 7-3, all I get no matter where I apply this 
tag after Section 7-3 is Section 7-1. I don't get 7-4, 7-5, etc. and I am 
beyond stumped. If I had messed with the paragraph numbering to restart, 
then ALL the tags should be appearing as Section 7-1, but like I said, 7-1 
through 7-3 is working as expected.

Help  - I am stumped and I don't know how to begin to troubleshoot this. I 
swear I am working with Word numbering!

thanks,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
303-328-4420
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Auto-creating tables

[Rainbow Zhang]

Hi Belinda,

I have a question about this. If put the table in the graphic frame on the
reference page as you suggested, the table can't be edited on body pages.
although it can be edited on reference page, the same content of the table
will be disaplayed under the every heading.

are you successfull to auto-create tables that can be edited on the body
pages? If "OK", Could you please tell me the specific procedure?
Best regards

Rainbow



2006/5/18, Lebbink, Belinda (RBI-NL) :
>
> Hello,
>
> You are thinking in the right direction.
> Put a graphic frame on the reference page (name it), in there a text
> frame and create in the text frame a table.
> Call the graphic frame via the frame below paragraph function on the
> advanced tab of the paragraph designer as you saying below.
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> Belinda
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numbering conundrum

[tammy.vanboen...@jeppesen.com]

Good question - I forgot to mention this.  When I insert another one after 
the second 7.1 (the incorrect one), I get a 7.2. I have turned on all my 
conditions and have looked for any special/weird tag before the incorrect 
7.1 tag and none are present. Also, I don't have any other tags that are 
numbered with a series beginning with "s". , If I insert a second SecID 
after the correct 7.1 or 7.2, the numbering is just fine. It's only after 
I insert this secID tag after the 7.3 that renumbering starts. I am going 
nutso' with this.

Thanks!

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
303-328-4420
tammy.vanboening at jeppesen.com



"Fred Ridder"  
05/22/2006 04:59 PM

To
Tammy.VanBoening at jeppesen.com
cc

Subject
RE: numbering conundrum






What happens wne you insert another one after the second 7.1 (the
incorrect one)?  Do you get 7.2 or yet another 7.1?

Make doubly, triply sure that the numbering formula used for the offending
paragraph(s) uses the same series label--a capital S.  Series labels are 
case-
sentitive, and if you inadvertently start a new series (say a lower-case s
instead of a capital) it will naturally and correctly start again at 7.1.

-Fred Ridder


>From: Tammy.VanBoening at jeppesen.com
>To: framers at frameusers.com, "STC List" 
>Subject: numbering conundrum
>Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:23:22 -0600
>
>I have created a tag named SecID to identify sections in my book 
chapters.
>It is set to autonumber according to the following format: S:Section
><$chapnum>\=\sm. I have this tag set to start at the top of page and 
I
>auto-apply a Custom Master Page to the page that uses this Section ID.
>This page is named SectionDivider. For sections 1 through 3, it is 
working
>just beautifully - I get a page with Section 7-1, a page with section 7-2
>and page with Section 7-3.  Now, all of a sudden, when I go to apply this
>tag to a page, the numbering is being reset to 7-1 and it won't change.
>After counting beautifully to 7-3, all I get no matter where I apply this
>tag after Section 7-3 is Section 7-1. I don't get 7-4, 7-5, etc. and I am
>beyond stumped. If I had messed with the paragraph numbering to restart,
>then ALL the tags should be appearing as Section 7-1, but like I said, 
7-1
>through 7-3 is working as expected.
>
>Help  - I am stumped and I don't know how to begin to troubleshoot this. 
I
>swear I am working with Word numbering!
>
>thanks,
>
>TVB
>
>Tammy Van Boening
>Senior Technical Writer
>Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
>303-328-4420
>tammy.vanboening at jeppesen.com
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numbering conundrum

[Harro de Jong]

Tammy.VanBoening at jeppesen.com wrote:

> Good question - I forgot to mention this.  When I insert
> another one after
> the second 7.1 (the incorrect one), I get a 7.2. I have
> turned on all my
> conditions and have looked for any special/weird tag before
> the incorrect
> 7.1 tag and none are present. Also, I don't have any other
> tags that are
> numbered with a series beginning with "s". , If I insert a second
> SecID after the correct 7.1 or 7.2, the numbering is just fine.
> It's only after
> I insert this secID tag after the 7.3 that renumbering
> starts. I am going
> nutso' with this.


Do any SecID tags have overrides? I've had a similar problem once, and
was able to solve it by reapplying the paragraph format. 

This is all in a single file? If multiple files are involved, check the
Numbering properties in the bookfile. 

Harro de Jong

numbering conundrum

[tammy.vanboen...@jeppesen.com]

Nope, no overrides (thanks for prompting me to check this) and it's all in 
a single file. I have just back-tracked and cut out everything between the 
"good" Sec 7.3 and the "bad"  Sec 7.1, then inserted a Sec ID tag after 
the good Sec 7.3 and voila, I get a Sec 7.4, so it's something in this 
stretch of documentation, altho' for the life of me, I can't figure it 
out. Anyway, in between the 7.3 and 7.4, I am pasting, one paragraph at a 
time, the cut material and seeing when I get the 7.4 to flip back to 7.1 - 
then I know which paragraph, for whatever reason, is causing me fits. I 
can't think of anything else to do.

Thanks everyone for all of your suggestions. 

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
303-328-4420
tammy.vanboening at jeppesen.com



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RE: numbering conundrum






Tammy.VanBoening at jeppesen.com wrote:

> Good question - I forgot to mention this.  When I insert
> another one after
> the second 7.1 (the incorrect one), I get a 7.2. I have
> turned on all my
> conditions and have looked for any special/weird tag before
> the incorrect
> 7.1 tag and none are present. Also, I don't have any other
> tags that are
> numbered with a series beginning with "s". , If I insert a second
> SecID after the correct 7.1 or 7.2, the numbering is just fine.
> It's only after
> I insert this secID tag after the 7.3 that renumbering
> starts. I am going
> nutso' with this.


Do any SecID tags have overrides? I've had a similar problem once, and
was able to solve it by reapplying the paragraph format. 

This is all in a single file? If multiple files are involved, check the
Numbering properties in the bookfile. 

Harro de Jong
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numbering conundrum

[Steve Rickaby]

At 08:03 -0600 23/5/06, Tammy.VanBoening at jeppesen.com wrote:

>Good question - I forgot to mention this.  When I insert another one after  
>the second 7.1 (the incorrect one), I get a 7.2. I have turned on all my  
>conditions and have looked for any special/weird tag before the incorrect  7.1 
>tag and none are present.

If you want to send me a test file, I'll pick it over for you.

>Also, I don't have any other tags that are  numbered with a series beginning 
>with "s".

In your initial mail, you said that you were numbering on 'S'. 's' and 'S' are 
not the same numbering thread: numbering thread numbers are case-sensitive. 
(Maybe a slip of the finger, tho').
-- 
Steve

numbering conundrum

[Harro de Jong]

Nope, no overrides (thanks for prompting me to check this) and
it's all in a single file. I have just back-tracked and cut out
everything between the "good" Sec 7.3 and the "bad"  Sec 7.1, then
inserted a Sec ID tag after the good Sec 7.3 and voila, I get a Sec 7.4,
so it's something in this stretch of documentation, altho' for the life
of me, I can't figure it out. Anyway, in between the 7.3 and 7.4, I am
pasting, one paragraph at a time, the cut material and seeing when I get
the 7.4 to flip back to 7.1 - then I know which paragraph, for whatever
reason, is causing me fits. I can't think of anything else to do. 


One more suggestion: check your text flows. The numbering may restart
because the text flows aren't connected, or because you're using two
flows. 

Harro de Jong

What do you use for PDF Generation?

[Ron Teplitz]

>
>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 16:01:28 -0700
>From: Syed Zaeem Hosain 
>Subject: What do you use for PDF generation?
>To: framers 
>Message-ID: <4470F148.1010807 at aeris.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Hi, all.
>
>Pardon the slightly unrelated to FrameMaker questions, but I am figure
>I am not too far off the mark here, since you all are likely to be very
>familiar with similar polices to what I describe here.
>
>We are standardizing on a new policy that documents/files sent "outside"
>the company must be in PDF form only. No Word or Excel (typically) or
>FrameMaker (of course! :) ) files. And, obviously, it does not include
>text e-mail!
>
>This means that we must install PDF creation software on all our user
>computers ... including laptops and ones that may not be connected to the
>Internet at all times.
>
>Acrobat Professional is too expensive a solution for this, plus it is
>overkill for most of our employees. We have some people who only create
>documents and files in Word or Excel for example.
>
>Hence, my questions:
>
>1. What are you all using for PDF file creation?
>
>2. Does it allow forms? I.e., for external folks to fill in fields and
>send back the form!
>
>3. What would you recommend we do, if you were setting up a similar
>policy?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Z
>  
>
Z,

Every copy of Frame I've seen for a long time included Acrobat 
Distiller, going back to at least FM 6.0. Distiller does all of what 
many folks need in the way of PDF generation. What version of Frame do 
you have? Have you checked to see if your distribution included Distiller?

Cheers,
Ron

Printing CE character tcaron to PDF

[laura_j_k...@bd.com]

Well, I guess you put me in my place, eh? Nice job. I'll be sure not to 
try to guess why Framemaker is screwing up any more.

By the way, in all that vituperative prose, did you actually explain why 
certain CE characters, which print properly, do not appear in PDF 
documents?

Your explanation was a bit obtuse to me. Perhaps you could "dumb it down" 
for those of us who do not possess "the knowledge."


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FM6 Error on PNG Import

[Roger Fienhold Sheen]

Framers,

When I try to import certain PNG files by reference in FM v6.0p405
(Windows), FM throws an error: "Cannot display some imported graphics. The
images will appear as gray boxes".

The exact same images are handled without error by FM v7.0p579 & v7.2p158.

Other PNGs are not causing problems under FM6. At first I thought it might
be related to the pixel depth, as all problem images were 24-bit PNGs, but
then I discovered that some of those that work are also 24-bit.

Any idea what's causing the issue and how to avoid it?

At this client, PNGs are created by a variety of sources using various
different tools ranging from the XP version of Paint, through IrfanView,
HyperSnap, PSP, etc. I'd like to be able to recommend settings to content
contributors to help avoid such problems.

Thanks in advance for any help you can offer,

Roger

numbering conundrum

[tammy.vanboen...@jeppesen.com]

Harro, Steve, Lester, Darrel, Fred, Daniel, et. al, 

Thanks for all of the responses. The cut and paste method ultimately 
worked - a table seemed to be the offender, but for the life of me, I 
can't figure out why - I did not use any autonumbering in any of the table 
cells and I couldn't find any weird/buried tags in it - so, I deleted the 
table and recreated it from scratch and now I get Sec numbering reset as 
expected after the table. Like I said, there was no rhyme nor reason to 
it, but the solution worked.

Again, thanks for all of the questions, input and offers to troubleshoot 
the doc.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
303-328-4420
tammy.vanboening at jeppesen.com



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To

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Subject
RE: numbering conundrum










 Nope, no overrides (thanks for prompting me to check 
this) and
it's all in a single file. I have just back-tracked and cut out
everything between the "good" Sec 7.3 and the "bad"  Sec 7.1, then
inserted a Sec ID tag after the good Sec 7.3 and voila, I get a Sec 7.4,
so it's something in this stretch of documentation, altho' for the life
of me, I can't figure it out. Anyway, in between the 7.3 and 7.4, I am
pasting, one paragraph at a time, the cut material and seeing when I get
the 7.4 to flip back to 7.1 - then I know which paragraph, for whatever
reason, is causing me fits. I can't think of anything else to do. 


One more suggestion: check your text flows. The numbering may restart
because the text flows aren't connected, or because you're using two
flows. 

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Hypertext Link Strangeness

[Donald M Rinderknecht]

Hi All,

I've got one for you I am making hypertext links active in the PDF 
output by using a "message URL" hypertext marker. I use a character tag 
to identify the text to include in the link. This has worked fine for me 
in the past in unstructured docs.

I have recently noticed that in my structured doc the link is not 
working the way I expect. In some cases I get only a part of the address 
in the link or no active link at all.

Could this be related to 7.2 or the fact that I am using a structured 
doc? Do I need to define an element for the link?

Thanks,
Don.

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numbering conundrum

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Have you tried MIFfing the file and study the part there after 7.3?
Maybe you could find something in there.

But this is why I am in favor of nested numbering, like:
<$volnum><$chapnum>< >< >, etc. (note the space between the brackets).

Say you have a five level numbering, starting with the volume number,
you can reset all counters at the volume level (the volume heading
paragraph tag) -- except the chapter number:
<$volnum>< =0>< =0>< =0>, that is if you expect any numbering (e.g.
numbered lists) before the chapter number (highly unlikely).

In the chapter heading you also reset the counters:
<$chapnum>< =0>< =0>< =0>

You would then for e.g. a first level list set the numbering to:
< =0>< =0> (resetting the second and third level list counters)
For the second level:
< >< =0> (resetting the third level list counter)
for the third level:
< >< >.

Now let's say that you want to change from your S: counter to this
system. The order is not necessarily dependent on the level (unless
you are using the full numbering system in the levels beneath the
SecID), but I suggest that the SecID would be the first counter after
the <$chapnum>.
But want in to add it to the nested system without going to all the
list numbering level tags. Then you just add the fourth counter and
always leave the others empty when you use it. It could look like this
in order to get the 7.1, 7.2, etc.:
<$chapnum>< >< >< >.
If this is a thrid level item, the only thing you would have to do in
order to get this to renumber is to add the fourth counter to the
volume and chapter level tags:
<$volnum>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>
<$chapnum>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>.

Of course it woud be a better procedure to set it to a "proper" level
and do the necessary changes in the other levels, but this would work.

Clear as mud?

Bodvar


On 5/23/06, Tammy.VanBoening at jeppesen.com  
wrote:
> Nope, no overrides (thanks for prompting me to check this) and it's all in
> a single file. I have just back-tracked and cut out everything between the
> "good" Sec 7.3 and the "bad"  Sec 7.1, then inserted a Sec ID tag after
> the good Sec 7.3 and voila, I get a Sec 7.4, so it's something in this
> stretch of documentation, altho' for the life of me, I can't figure it
> out. Anyway, in between the 7.3 and 7.4, I am pasting, one paragraph at a
> time, the cut material and seeing when I get the 7.4 to flip back to 7.1 -
> then I know which paragraph, for whatever reason, is causing me fits. I
> can't think of anything else to do.
>
> Thanks everyone for all of your suggestions.
>
> TVB
>
> Tammy Van Boening
> Senior Technical Writer
> Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
> 303-328-4420
> tammy.vanboening at jeppesen.com
>
>
>
> "Harro de Jong" 
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> 05/23/2006 08:19 AM
>
> To
> , 
> cc
>
> Subject
> RE: numbering conundrum
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tammy.VanBoening at jeppesen.com wrote:
>
> > Good question - I forgot to mention this.  When I insert
> > another one after
> > the second 7.1 (the incorrect one), I get a 7.2. I have
> > turned on all my
> > conditions and have looked for any special/weird tag before
> > the incorrect
> > 7.1 tag and none are present. Also, I don't have any other
> > tags that are
> > numbered with a series beginning with "s". , If I insert a second
> > SecID after the correct 7.1 or 7.2, the numbering is just fine.
> > It's only after
> > I insert this secID tag after the 7.3 that renumbering
> > starts. I am going
> > nutso' with this.
>
>
> Do any SecID tags have overrides? I've had a similar problem once, and
> was able to solve it by reapplying the paragraph format.
>
> This is all in a single file? If multiple files are involved, check the
> Numbering properties in the bookfile.
>
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PDF Generation question

[tammy.vanboen...@jeppesen.com]

Framemaker 7.1, Windows XP, Adobe Acrobat 7.0.

In my Framemaker source files, I have the following tags set to appear in 
my TOC: ChapTitle, SecTitle, Head1, Head2, Head3, and Head4. All tags 
appear as expected with the proper indentations, in the proper order,  and 
with all links working in the TOC. Only one chapter (Chapter 7) uses the 
SecTitle tag; however, as noted, it appears as expected in the TOC with 
the proper numbering (SecID), in the proper order, and the links from 
SecTitleTOC work just fine.  When I generate my PDF from this file, 
however, this is a different story.

I do have the following:

Printer: Adobe PDF
Under PDF Setup, I have Generate Bookmarks checked. In the Include 
Paragraphs, I do have these tags:  ChapTitle, SecTitle, Head1, Head2, 
Head3, and Head4 and I have Include Paragraphs Tags in bookmark text 
selected (for troublshooting purposes). I also have Create Named 
Destinations Set under Links and I have confirmed that the chapter-level 
PDF settings are the same as the book.

When I generate the PDF from the FM source file, I get the bookmark for 
ChapTitle for Chap 7 appearing; however, the other bookmarks that should 
appear underneath (SecTitle, Head1, etc.) are appearing underneath Chapter 
6  - In other words, the top level SecTitles (with all of the Head1, Head2 
below collapsed) are appearing in order, but as the last tags beneath 
Chapter 6. 

Like I said, Chap 7 is the chapter that uses the SecTitle paragraph, so 
why are these bookmarks being placed under Chapter 6?

Thanks,

TVB



Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
303-328-4420
tammy.vanboening at jeppesen.com

PDF Generation question

[Steve Rickaby]

At 09:55 -0600 23/5/06, Tammy.VanBoening at jeppesen.com wrote:

>When I generate the PDF from the FM source file, I get the bookmark for
>ChapTitle for Chap 7 appearing; however, the other bookmarks that should
>appear underneath (SecTitle, Head1, etc.) are appearing underneath Chapter
>6  - In other words, the top level SecTitles (with all of the Head1, Head2
>below collapsed) are appearing in order, but as the last tags beneath
>Chapter 6.

This has long been a problem with bookmarks generated from FrameMaker (since v 
5.0 at least). I have long since given up trying to diagnose it, and just edit 
the bookmarks in Acrobat.

I think if you look at it sideways with eyes narrowed, you'd see that it's the 
top level bookmark that is misplaced, not the lower level ones ;-)

I'd also be interested in illumination.
-- 
Steve

PDF Generation question

[tammy.vanboen...@jeppesen.com]

LOL! I will try squinting. To answer several questions:

1.) Nope, SecTitle is not in a separate text flow.
2.) Yep, the TOC in my Framemaker source book generates just as expected 
with the SecTitles in the proper order under Chapter 7.
3.) Yep, I have tried regenerating my book after solving the numbering 
problem and nope, same results - the tags are stuck as the last tags under 
Chapter 6.
4.) Yep, I have tried the suggestion of nested numbering with zero-ing out 
placeholders and nope, still doesn't put the SecTitle bookmarks under 
Chapter 7 in the PDF.

I give!

Thanks!

TVB 

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
303-328-4420
tammy.vanboening at jeppesen.com



Steve Rickaby  
05/23/2006 10:35 AM

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Tammy.VanBoening at jeppesen.com
Subject
Re: PDF Generation question






At 09:55 -0600 23/5/06, Tammy.VanBoening at jeppesen.com wrote:

>When I generate the PDF from the FM source file, I get the bookmark for
>ChapTitle for Chap 7 appearing; however, the other bookmarks that should
>appear underneath (SecTitle, Head1, etc.) are appearing underneath 
Chapter
>6  - In other words, the top level SecTitles (with all of the Head1, 
Head2
>below collapsed) are appearing in order, but as the last tags beneath
>Chapter 6.

This has long been a problem with bookmarks generated from FrameMaker 
(since v 5.0 at least). I have long since given up trying to diagnose it, 
and just edit the bookmarks in Acrobat.

I think if you look at it sideways with eyes narrowed, you'd see that it's 
the top level bookmark that is misplaced, not the lower level ones ;-)

I'd also be interested in illumination.
-- 
Steve

Printing CE character tcaron to PDF

[Dov Isaacs]

LJK,

I am very sorry if you think that I was trying to "put you
in your place" whatever that means.

What I was explaining in my response was that the Adobe
Knowledgebase article to which you referred

has nothing to do with lapses in CE characters printing,
but rather a generic problem with any arbitrary text 
failing to print.

It is very important to understand that the CE characters
in question are not officially supported in FrameMaker's
character set. (I am NOT applauding that lack of support
and really hope that some future version of FrameMaker
fully supports Unicode!)

Many users have been successful at coercing FrameMaker to
"support" CE and other character sets via Windows code page
hackery which effectively occurs when you use "other"
print drivers. The Adobe PDF PostScript print driver 
instance reports "no fonts" to the operating system and
that may be why the CE characters specifically do not
print.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Laura_J_Kirk at bd.com [mailto:Laura_J_Kirk at bd.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:52 AM
> To: Dov Isaacs; Framers at FrameUsers.com
> Subject: RE: Printing CE character tcaron to PDF
> 
> Well, I guess you put me in my place, eh? Nice job. I'll be 
> sure not to try to guess why Framemaker is screwing up any more.
> 
> By the way, in all that vituperative prose, did you actually 
> explain why certain CE characters, which print properly, do 
> not appear in PDF documents?
> 
> Your explanation was a bit obtuse to me. Perhaps you could 
> "dumb it down" 
> for those of us who do not possess "the knowledge."
> 
> 
> ljk

PDF Generation question

[tammy.vanboen...@jeppesen.com]

And one more thing - if I leave my SecTitle out of my bookmarks list, all 
of my bookmarks for Chapter 7 are still being placed under Chapter 6. Now 
I really give.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
303-328-4420
tammy.vanboening at jeppesen.com



Tammy.VanBoening at jeppesen.com 
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Subject
Re: PDF Generation question






LOL! I will try squinting. To answer several questions:

1.) Nope, SecTitle is not in a separate text flow.
2.) Yep, the TOC in my Framemaker source book generates just as expected 
with the SecTitles in the proper order under Chapter 7.
3.) Yep, I have tried regenerating my book after solving the numbering 
problem and nope, same results - the tags are stuck as the last tags under 

Chapter 6.
4.) Yep, I have tried the suggestion of nested numbering with zero-ing out 

placeholders and nope, still doesn't put the SecTitle bookmarks under 
Chapter 7 in the PDF.

I give!

Thanks!

TVB 

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
303-328-4420
tammy.vanboening at jeppesen.com



Steve Rickaby  
05/23/2006 10:35 AM

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framers at FrameUsers.com
cc
Tammy.VanBoening at jeppesen.com
Subject
Re: PDF Generation question






At 09:55 -0600 23/5/06, Tammy.VanBoening at jeppesen.com wrote:

>When I generate the PDF from the FM source file, I get the bookmark for
>ChapTitle for Chap 7 appearing; however, the other bookmarks that should
>appear underneath (SecTitle, Head1, etc.) are appearing underneath 
Chapter
>6  - In other words, the top level SecTitles (with all of the Head1, 
Head2
>below collapsed) are appearing in order, but as the last tags beneath
>Chapter 6.

This has long been a problem with bookmarks generated from FrameMaker 
(since v 5.0 at least). I have long since given up trying to diagnose it, 
and just edit the bookmarks in Acrobat.

I think if you look at it sideways with eyes narrowed, you'd see that it's 

the top level bookmark that is misplaced, not the lower level ones ;-)

I'd also be interested in illumination.
-- 
Steve

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Printing CE character tcaron to PDF

[Dov Isaacs]

Further information pointed out to me by my friend
Sarah O'Keefe of Scriptorium Publishing Services.

The latest update of FrameMaker 7.2, p158, provides
support for some additional characters when using
the code page mapping hackery:

The following is from the ReadmeForPatchp158.txt file
accompanying the update:


* Following is the list of characters added with their corresponding shortcuts. 
* Character with Code   CodePageAnsi Code   
ShortcutStandard Name
Hex Unicode Code

* 0403 ?\xa1  Windows1251(Cyrillic) 0129Control+q ! 
CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER GJE
* 040F ?\xde  Windows1251(Cyrillic )0143Control+q ^ 
CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER DZHE
* 0452 ?\xdf  Windows1251(Cyrillic) 0144Control+q _ 
CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER DJE
* 045C ?\xfd  Windows1251(Cyrillic) 0157Control+q } 
CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER KJE
* 0179 ?\xde  Windows 1250(Central Europe) 0143 Control+q ^ 
LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Z WITH ACUTE
* 0165 ?\xfd  Windows 1250(Central Europe) 0157 Control+q } LATIN SMALL 
LETTER T WITH CARON
* 00B8 ?\xde  Windows 1257(Baltic)  0143Control+q ^ 
CEDILLA
* 00AF ?\xfd  Windows 1257(Baltic)  0157Control+q } 
MACRON

You need to use an appropriate font to display these characters correctly. For 
using characters from, lets say, Cyrillic code page, you needs to use the 
corresponding cyrillic font, e.g., Times New Roman CYR. 

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: frameusers.com On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:53 AM
> To: Laura_J_Kirk at bd.com; Framers at FrameUsers.com
> Subject: RE: Printing CE character tcaron to PDF
> Importance: High
> 
> LJK,
> 
> I am very sorry if you think that I was trying to "put you
> in your place" whatever that means.
> 
> What I was explaining in my response was that the Adobe
> Knowledgebase article to which you referred
> 
> has nothing to do with lapses in CE characters printing,
> but rather a generic problem with any arbitrary text 
> failing to print.
> 
> It is very important to understand that the CE characters
> in question are not officially supported in FrameMaker's
> character set. (I am NOT applauding that lack of support
> and really hope that some future version of FrameMaker
> fully supports Unicode!)
> 
> Many users have been successful at coercing FrameMaker to
> "support" CE and other character sets via Windows code page
> hackery which effectively occurs when you use "other"
> print drivers. The Adobe PDF PostScript print driver 
> instance reports "no fonts" to the operating system and
> that may be why the CE characters specifically do not
> print.
> 
>   - Dov

> > -Original Message-
> > From: Laura_J_Kirk at bd.com [mailto:Laura_J_Kirk at bd.com] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:52 AM
> > To: Dov Isaacs; Framers at FrameUsers.com
> > Subject: RE: Printing CE character tcaron to PDF
> > 
> > Well, I guess you put me in my place, eh? Nice job. I'll be 
> > sure not to try to guess why Framemaker is screwing up any more.
> > 
> > By the way, in all that vituperative prose, did you actually 
> > explain why certain CE characters, which print properly, do 
> > not appear in PDF documents?
> > 
> > Your explanation was a bit obtuse to me. Perhaps you could 
> > "dumb it down" 
> > for those of us who do not possess "the knowledge."
> > 
> > 
> > ljk

What do you use for PDF Generation?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Ron Teplitz wrote:
> Every copy of Frame I've seen for a long time included Acrobat 
> Distiller, going back to at least FM 6.0. Distiller does all of what 
> many folks need in the way of PDF generation. What version of Frame do 
> you have? Have you checked to see if your distribution included Distiller?
> 
> Cheers,
> Ron

Oh, I should have been clearer. I definitely use Acrobat Pro 7 for
my PDF creation! With output from FrameMaker and all other programs
too. :)

My questions related to the fact that we need to get PDF creation
ability for *all* the employees in our company, and the price of
Acrobat Pro (or Standard, too) would be very prohibitive. These
folks mostly do not use FrameMaker ... most are simply using Word
and Excel for their daily stuff.

Right now, I am leaning towards either Acrobat Elements or PDF995
as the "preferred" solution for this new policy ... those seem to
have garnered the most "votes" too, but I do plan on quickly looking
at some of the open-source freebie stuff as well.

What I have tried and did NOT like: PDF-Xchange. This came as a
freebie demo with some app that I got, and it simply crashes too 
often on my system. Not good enough.

Another one that was still a tad bit too expensive (as an Enterprise
total cost) was PDF Convertor 3 from Nuance. I liked it (I use my
copy of the PDF to Word convertor on occasion), but the total cost
is a bit high.

This is why PDF995 is leading the pack right now ...

Thanks!

Z

>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 16:01:28 -0700
>> From: Syed Zaeem Hosain 
>> Subject: What do you use for PDF generation?
>> To: framers 
>> Message-ID: <4470F148.1010807 at aeris.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Hi, all.
>>
>> Pardon the slightly unrelated to FrameMaker questions, but I am figure
>> I am not too far off the mark here, since you all are likely to be very
>> familiar with similar polices to what I describe here.
>>
>> We are standardizing on a new policy that documents/files sent "outside"
>> the company must be in PDF form only. No Word or Excel (typically) or
>> FrameMaker (of course! :) ) files. And, obviously, it does not include
>> text e-mail!
>>
>> This means that we must install PDF creation software on all our user
>> computers ... including laptops and ones that may not be connected to the
>> Internet at all times.
>>
>> Acrobat Professional is too expensive a solution for this, plus it is
>> overkill for most of our employees. We have some people who only create
>> documents and files in Word or Excel for example.
>>
>> Hence, my questions:
>>
>> 1. What are you all using for PDF file creation?
>>
>> 2. Does it allow forms? I.e., for external folks to fill in fields and
>> send back the form!
>>
>> 3. What would you recommend we do, if you were setting up a similar
>> policy?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Z

What do you use for PDF Generation?

[Mike McCallister]

Z,

One other possibility is to have folks import their Word docs into
OpenOffice, and then Save as PDF.  OO does a very nice job.  I don't
have experience converting Excel to PDF in OO, but that should be OK
too.

Hope this helps,

Mike McCallister

On 5/23/06, Syed Zaeem Hosain  wrote:

> My questions related to the fact that we need to get PDF creation
> ability for *all* the employees in our company, and the price of
> Acrobat Pro (or Standard, too) would be very prohibitive. These
> folks mostly do not use FrameMaker ... most are simply using Word
> and Excel for their daily stuff.
>
> Right now, I am leaning towards either Acrobat Elements or PDF995
> as the "preferred" solution for this new policy ... those seem to
> have garnered the most "votes" too, but I do plan on quickly looking
> at some of the open-source freebie stuff as well.

> >>
> >> Hence, my questions:
> >>
> >> 1. What are you all using for PDF file creation?
> >>
> >> 2. Does it allow forms? I.e., for external folks to fill in fields and
> >> send back the form!
> >>
> >> 3. What would you recommend we do, if you were setting up a similar
> >> policy?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Z
>
> ___



-- 
Mike McCallister
Technical Writing Consultant, Compuware
Author, "SUSE Linux 10 Unleashed"

Hypertext Link Strangeness

[Daniel Emory]

 wrote:
> I've got one for you I am making hypertext links
> active in the PDF 
> output by using a "message URL" hypertext marker. I
> use a character tag 
> to identify the text to include in the link. This
> has worked fine for me 
> in the past in unstructured docs.
> 
> I have recently noticed that in my structured doc
> the link is not 
> working the way I expect. In some cases I get only a
> part of the address 
> in the link or no active link at all.
=
My experience with converting structured docs with
hyperlinks to PDF is that the links don't work if you
insert the gotolink (or message URL marker) at the
before the first text character in a text line.
Instead, insert the marker at the end of the
highlighted text (i.e., just before the end bracket ])
delineating the end of the character tag.

The same goes for newlink markers. Namely, never
insert a newlink marker before the first text
character in text line.

I use EDD-defined structure rules to define the link
components, as follows:
=
GoToExt (a link to another FM document or URL)
The structure rule for this element consists of the
names of one or more marker-type elements:

(FmGotlink | MailLink | whatever else is needed)
Each element specified in the structure rule is
defined as being a marker of a particular type. 

Element GotoExt is defined as a text-range element and
the format rule specifies colored text.

==
GoToint (a link to a newlink marker within the same
document). The structure rule for this element is:

(FmGotolink | whatever else is needed)
Each element specified in the structure rule is
defined as being a marker of a particular type. 
=
Element NewLink (an element of type newlink marker,
which specifies the unique name of a hypertext node
within a FrameMaker document.

Obviously, no colored text is required in this case.





Dan Emory & Associates
FrameMaker/FrameMaker+SGML Document Design & Database Publishing

What do you use for PDF Generation?

[Dov Isaacs]

A word of advice. Before you go loading up on el'cheapo
$9.95 PDF creation software, make sure that what it generates
is really kosher. We quite often see problems when these
PDF files "escape" the environment in which they were created
and attempts are made to either combine them with other PDF
files in Acrobat or to place them in FrameMaker, InDesign,
or elsewhere. Problems often manifest themselves as funky font
definitions with improper names and encodings that cause
chaos when attempts are made to repurpose those PDF files.
Just because those other employees are not publishing vast
tomes doesn't mean that they should have shoddy tools.

- Dov



> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com]
>  On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 10:09 AM
> To: Ron Teplitz
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: What do you use for PDF Generation?
> 
> Ron Teplitz wrote:
> > Every copy of Frame I've seen for a long time included Acrobat 
> > Distiller, going back to at least FM 6.0. Distiller does 
> all of what 
> > many folks need in the way of PDF generation. What version 
> of Frame do 
> > you have? Have you checked to see if your distribution 
> included Distiller?
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Ron
> 
> Oh, I should have been clearer. I definitely use Acrobat Pro 
> 7 for my PDF creation! With output from FrameMaker and all 
> other programs too. :)
> 
> My questions related to the fact that we need to get PDF 
> creation ability for *all* the employees in our company, and 
> the price of Acrobat Pro (or Standard, too) would be very 
> prohibitive. These folks mostly do not use FrameMaker ... 
> most are simply using Word and Excel for their daily stuff.
> 
> Right now, I am leaning towards either Acrobat Elements or 
> PDF995 as the "preferred" solution for this new policy ... 
> those seem to have garnered the most "votes" too, but I do 
> plan on quickly looking at some of the open-source freebie 
> stuff as well.
> 
> What I have tried and did NOT like: PDF-Xchange. This came as 
> a freebie demo with some app that I got, and it simply 
> crashes too often on my system. Not good enough.
> 
> Another one that was still a tad bit too expensive (as an 
> Enterprise total cost) was PDF Convertor 3 from Nuance. I 
> liked it (I use my copy of the PDF to Word convertor on 
> occasion), but the total cost is a bit high.
> 
> This is why PDF995 is leading the pack right now ...
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Z
> 

What do you use for PDF Generation?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Hi, Dov.

Dov Isaacs wrote:
> A word of advice. Before you go loading up on el'cheapo
> $9.95 PDF creation software, make sure that what it generates
> is really kosher. We quite often see problems when these
> PDF files "escape" the environment in which they were created
> and attempts are made to either combine them with other PDF
> files in Acrobat or to place them in FrameMaker, InDesign,
> or elsewhere. Problems often manifest themselves as funky font
> definitions with improper names and encodings that cause
> chaos when attempts are made to repurpose those PDF files.
> Just because those other employees are not publishing vast
> tomes doesn't mean that they should have shoddy tools.

Good points, yes!

We have some people who create "print-quality" documents for which
we need to be sure that the PDF's are very high quality. For these
folks, we have Acrobat Pro installed on their systems - the "right"
way to go for sure!

It is the rest of the folks, who send out docs and files outside
our company for reading or review and other purposes, that we want
to have in PDF format. The purpose is to avoid having "original"
documents out there. The policy was created because we got burned
by "properties" information in a Word doc recently - an older doc
was used to create a new one and ... oops!

None of the PDF's from these other employees is likely to be used
in situations where they might cause problems like you mention.
So, I am fairly confident (but keeping my fingers crossed till I
test some more) that we should be okay with something like PDF995.

But, I will definitely try things out in detail before proceeding ...

Of course, if Adobe Elements were a LOT lower in price for multiple
copies, or the server version of Acrobat was not so crazily over-
priced for our simple needs (less than 50 employees total!), we
would not be looking at cheaper alternatives. Hint, hint! :)

Thanks for the input regardless! It is appreciated.

Z

>> -Original Message-
>> From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com 
>> [mailto:framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com]
>>  On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 10:09 AM
>> To: Ron Teplitz
>> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: Re: What do you use for PDF Generation?
>>
>> Ron Teplitz wrote:
>>> Every copy of Frame I've seen for a long time included Acrobat 
>>> Distiller, going back to at least FM 6.0. Distiller does 
>> all of what 
>>> many folks need in the way of PDF generation. What version 
>> of Frame do 
>>> you have? Have you checked to see if your distribution 
>> included Distiller?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ron
>> Oh, I should have been clearer. I definitely use Acrobat Pro 
>> 7 for my PDF creation! With output from FrameMaker and all 
>> other programs too. :)
>>
>> My questions related to the fact that we need to get PDF 
>> creation ability for *all* the employees in our company, and 
>> the price of Acrobat Pro (or Standard, too) would be very 
>> prohibitive. These folks mostly do not use FrameMaker ... 
>> most are simply using Word and Excel for their daily stuff.
>>
>> Right now, I am leaning towards either Acrobat Elements or 
>> PDF995 as the "preferred" solution for this new policy ... 
>> those seem to have garnered the most "votes" too, but I do 
>> plan on quickly looking at some of the open-source freebie 
>> stuff as well.
>>
>> What I have tried and did NOT like: PDF-Xchange. This came as 
>> a freebie demo with some app that I got, and it simply 
>> crashes too often on my system. Not good enough.
>>
>> Another one that was still a tad bit too expensive (as an 
>> Enterprise total cost) was PDF Convertor 3 from Nuance. I 
>> liked it (I use my copy of the PDF to Word convertor on 
>> occasion), but the total cost is a bit high.
>>
>> This is why PDF995 is leading the pack right now ...
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Z

What do you use for PDF Generation?

[Dov Isaacs]

Hint, hint ... I am just a dumb engineer here at Adobe.
I don't set the prices or have any influence over those
issues.

By the way, when dealing with Wurd documents, even with
PDF, be very careful that the "properties" don't migrate
to the PDF file. When you use the PDFMaker facility of
Acrobat some of that information in the Wurd document
does make its way into the "Description" part of 
"Document Properties"  !

- Dov 

> -Original Message-
> From: Syed Zaeem Hosain [mailto:Syed.Hosain at aeris.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:36 PM
> To: Dov Isaacs
> Cc: Ron Teplitz; Framers at frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: What do you use for PDF Generation?
> 
> Hi, Dov.
> 
> Dov Isaacs wrote:
> > A word of advice. Before you go loading up on el'cheapo
> > $9.95 PDF creation software, make sure that what it generates
> > is really kosher. We quite often see problems when these
> > PDF files "escape" the environment in which they were created
> > and attempts are made to either combine them with other PDF
> > files in Acrobat or to place them in FrameMaker, InDesign,
> > or elsewhere. Problems often manifest themselves as funky font
> > definitions with improper names and encodings that cause
> > chaos when attempts are made to repurpose those PDF files.
> > Just because those other employees are not publishing vast
> > tomes doesn't mean that they should have shoddy tools.
> 
> Good points, yes!
> 
> We have some people who create "print-quality" documents for which
> we need to be sure that the PDF's are very high quality. For these
> folks, we have Acrobat Pro installed on their systems - the "right"
> way to go for sure!
> 
> It is the rest of the folks, who send out docs and files outside
> our company for reading or review and other purposes, that we want
> to have in PDF format. The purpose is to avoid having "original"
> documents out there. The policy was created because we got burned
> by "properties" information in a Word doc recently - an older doc
> was used to create a new one and ... oops!
> 
> None of the PDF's from these other employees is likely to be used
> in situations where they might cause problems like you mention.
> So, I am fairly confident (but keeping my fingers crossed till I
> test some more) that we should be okay with something like PDF995.
> 
> But, I will definitely try things out in detail before proceeding ...
> 
> Of course, if Adobe Elements were a LOT lower in price for multiple
> copies, or the server version of Acrobat was not so crazily over-
> priced for our simple needs (less than 50 employees total!), we
> would not be looking at cheaper alternatives. Hint, hint! :)
> 
> Thanks for the input regardless! It is appreciated.
> 
> Z
> 

What do you use for PDF Generation?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Hi, Dov.

Dov Isaacs wrote:
> Hint, hint ... I am just a dumb engineer here at Adobe.
> I don't set the prices or have any influence over those
> issues.

Oops, I was not aiming that at you per se! Sorry about that.

> By the way, when dealing with Wurd documents, even with
> PDF, be very careful that the "properties" don't migrate
> to the PDF file. When you use the PDFMaker facility of
> Acrobat some of that information in the Wurd document
> does make its way into the "Description" part of 
> "Document Properties"  !

Ouch. I did not know this happened. I will check my stuff
very carefully then and set it up properly. Is there a way
to disable this "permanently", like a setting, in Acrobat so
that it does not occur as a matter of course?

Z

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Syed Zaeem Hosain [mailto:Syed.Hosain at aeris.net] 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:36 PM
>> To: Dov Isaacs
>> Cc: Ron Teplitz; Framers at frameusers.com
>> Subject: Re: What do you use for PDF Generation?
>>
>> Hi, Dov.
>>
>> Dov Isaacs wrote:
>>> A word of advice. Before you go loading up on el'cheapo
>>> $9.95 PDF creation software, make sure that what it generates
>>> is really kosher. We quite often see problems when these
>>> PDF files "escape" the environment in which they were created
>>> and attempts are made to either combine them with other PDF
>>> files in Acrobat or to place them in FrameMaker, InDesign,
>>> or elsewhere. Problems often manifest themselves as funky font
>>> definitions with improper names and encodings that cause
>>> chaos when attempts are made to repurpose those PDF files.
>>> Just because those other employees are not publishing vast
>>> tomes doesn't mean that they should have shoddy tools.
>> Good points, yes!
>>
>> We have some people who create "print-quality" documents for which
>> we need to be sure that the PDF's are very high quality. For these
>> folks, we have Acrobat Pro installed on their systems - the "right"
>> way to go for sure!
>>
>> It is the rest of the folks, who send out docs and files outside
>> our company for reading or review and other purposes, that we want
>> to have in PDF format. The purpose is to avoid having "original"
>> documents out there. The policy was created because we got burned
>> by "properties" information in a Word doc recently - an older doc
>> was used to create a new one and ... oops!
>>
>> None of the PDF's from these other employees is likely to be used
>> in situations where they might cause problems like you mention.
>> So, I am fairly confident (but keeping my fingers crossed till I
>> test some more) that we should be okay with something like PDF995.
>>
>> But, I will definitely try things out in detail before proceeding ...
>>
>> Of course, if Adobe Elements were a LOT lower in price for multiple
>> copies, or the server version of Acrobat was not so crazily over-
>> priced for our simple needs (less than 50 employees total!), we
>> would not be looking at cheaper alternatives. Hint, hint! :)
>>
>> Thanks for the input regardless! It is appreciated.

What do you use for PDF Generation?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Excellent! Thanks much ... I have modified this setting in my
system.

Regards,

Z

Dov Isaacs wrote:
> Yes, go to PDFMaker's  /Change Conversion Settings/  screen and 
> *uncheck* the
> box for /Convert Document Information/!  See below
> 
> - Dov
>  > > By the way, when dealing with Wurd documents, even with
>  > > PDF, be very careful that the "properties" don't migrate
>  > > to the PDF file. When you use the PDFMaker facility of
>  > > Acrobat some of that information in the Wurd document
>  > > does make its way into the "Description" part of
>  > > "Document Properties"  !
>  >
>  > Ouch. I did not know this happened. I will check my stuff
>  > very carefully then and set it up properly. Is there a way
>  > to disable this "permanently", like a setting, in Acrobat so
>  > that it does not occur as a matter of course?

Plugin to let you move specific Paragraph styles

[John Posada]

Hi, guys...I've redefined a handful of FM pargraph styles and I want
to import only those styles into some other documents.

I know of several workarounds (copy/past styls, make a temporay
document and delete all except those styles, etc.)  but I see this
happening more and more as I work toward unifying out styles and
vriables.

So...is there a plugin that will let me select the paragraph styles
from a list and move only those styles to other documents?

Thanks

John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"So long and thanks for all the fish."

Hollow bullets?

[Dov Isaacs]

The "hollow bullet" appears to be taken from Courier New.
It is also in Times New Roman and Arial as well (not on
the Mac version of these fonts, though) as Unicode 25CB.
It is also in Adobe's OpenType version of Courier, 
Courier Std.

However, without Unicode support, you cannot access that
character from within FrameMaker. Sorry! You'll need to
find a font that has it as a symbol in the "lower 256"
and that maps to FrameMaker.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Guy K. Haas [mailto:guy at cliveden.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 3:42 PM
> To: framers at frameusers.com
> Cc: Dov Isaacs
> Subject: Hollow bullets?
> 
> Does anybody out there, including the "dumb engineer," have 
> any advice on how to get FrameMaker 7.2 to have the same 
> three levels of bullets that "Wurd" produces natively?
> 
> We do our FrameMaker on WindowsXP and produce PDFs so far, 
> though we may well get into WebWorks and online help after a while.
> 
> Solid black circles above the text baseline for the outermost 
> level are the FrameMaker norm.
> 
> Those second-level hollow bullets (black perimeter, white 
> interior, above the text baseline) are not in the fonts we 
> use, nor the character tables in the FrameMaker 
> documentation, nor in Wingdings, nor WebDings.
> 
> The third-level would be en-dashes or hyphens.
> 
> But without access to the hollow bullet, I'm stuck with only 
> two levels: 
> the solid dots and the en-dash or hyphen.
> 
> Do we need to buy a font?  (Could I just buy a vowel?)
> 
> --Guy K. Haas
>Software Exegete in Silicon Valley
> 
> 
> 

Hollow bullets?

[Guy K. Haas]

Does anybody out there, including the "dumb engineer," have any advice 
on how to get FrameMaker 7.2 to have the same three levels of bullets 
that "Wurd" produces natively?

We do our FrameMaker on WindowsXP and produce PDFs so far, though we may 
well get into WebWorks and online help after a while.

Solid black circles above the text baseline for the outermost level are 
the FrameMaker norm.

Those second-level hollow bullets (black perimeter, white interior, 
above the text baseline) are not in the fonts we use, nor the character 
tables in the FrameMaker documentation, nor in Wingdings, nor WebDings.

The third-level would be en-dashes or hyphens.

But without access to the hollow bullet, I'm stuck with only two levels: 
the solid dots and the en-dash or hyphen.

Do we need to buy a font?  (Could I just buy a vowel?)

--Guy K. Haas
   Software Exegete in Silicon Valley