Aaron,
Have you posted this question anywhere else? To a non FrameMaker list for
example (TechWR?). Just a thought.
As others have said, I'd want to know more about what outputs were required,
how often you have to build them, and what the usage of the docs will be.
FrameMaker + WWP is a good
Don't quote me on this but I think the registered version turns off the
Jabberwocky text. The evaluation has that limitation permanently but I've
used the MIF import filter extensively without problem.
Gordon
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It is?
Don't get it. Is this a USA specific funny??
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Subject: Re: Geeky Friday Humor
Now THAT is funny!
On 4/20/07,
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It is?
Don't get it. Is this a USA specific funny??
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Brilliant info Dianne, thanks for sharing this.
REALLY needs stored somewhere other than the archives, this kind of thing!
Gordon
www.onemanwrites.co.uk
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To:
I've been asked to re-work an old document and the source docs are in
FrameMaker 5. No problem, I thought, as version 7 should just upgrade them
but...
I'm getting errors and can't open the files. I can't decide whether the ZIP
files have been corrupted, or whether it's a FrameMaker issue and as
because... Umm... I suspended delivery when I went on holiday and forgot to
turn it back on... Doh.
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Sent: 31 May 2007 11:51
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Help, anyone got FrameMaker 5
the substitution manually (by *not*
turning the Remember...
option off) or by editing the substitution table (which is moderately
arcane) before you use the Remember... option to make a permanent
substitution.
From: Rene Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Gordon McLean [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject
The Documentum documentation is pretty good, and I think they offer an end
user guide that covers all the fundamentals as well as the basics of
document management.
Working with FrameMaker and DCTM is another thing altogether. There was an
add-on application that helped but not sure if it's still
Wow. Don't let the stereotypes door hit you on the arrse on the way out.
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Sent: 20 August 2007 16:45
To: Donald M Rinderknecht
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: lest we
And did you miss the bit on their website that offers the product to download
for evaluation? That's the FULL product, with only the output crippled.
I've used it previously and other than the fact that it relies (relied?) on
Word as the print output, and the limitations that brings to long
The movement toward Extreme Programming and Agile Development is a
case in point; documentation is considered a waste of valuable
developer time, and only needs to be slapped together in minimalist
form at the last minute. That is at odds with the TW perspective
of involvement during the
I spy a Mark Twain quote in your email signature...
Are you familiar with the one about sarcasm?
Gordon
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I'm on that list too Peter, I find both to be engaging at different times.
Glad to hear that someone is using the delete key though!
Gordon
P.S. TechCommPro is currently discussing the horror of the fact that
postings there may be being archived by another service. Not really that
engaging at
I'm currently evaluating a variety of tools and solutions with an aim to
moving the team to some form of single source process.
We have looked at, and like, DITA, and will be using that as the basis for
our content.
However trying to find an end-to-end solution is proving hard, or perhaps
I'm
solutions,
so I'm asking the Framers for THEIR recommendations if they have such a
system in place.
Gordon
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From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 12 March 2008 09:08
To: Gordon McLean
Subject: Re: FrameMaker DITA and CMS
You need an XML editor
happen, but
you may find that one and/or the other turns out to be the best solution.
Russ
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:52:55 -
From: Gordon McLean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: FrameMaker DITA and CMS
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
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The other products in the MadCap lineup hint more at the CMS route (check
their press release pages).
Once they get those items in play it could be an interesting product set,
and personally I think they are right to take on Adobe, even if they are
falling short at the moment. Should keep Adobe
https://info2.lotus.com/bluegrass/
This flipped across my path recently and sounds similar to what you are
doing, might be worth a look??
Gordon
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Sent: 20 March 2008 20:02
To:
Once upon a time I used to create the company newsletter (A5 booklet) in
FrameMaker.
If ever there was a way to find the limitations of the mighty FM... It was a
painful experience (that was for version 4 mind you).
Gordon
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are probably looking at something clever with XML, XSLT
(?) and some sort of engine that they can use to rebuild things... be
quicker asking them to buy a copy of FrameMaker to be honest.
Gordon McLean
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and all suggestions gratefully welcomed. This isn't a showstopper but
very much in the 'annoyance' category!
Thanks in advance,
Gordon McLean
Technical Author
Graham Technology
that may be a specialist (expensive) app, but very
willing to be proven wrong.
Gordon McLean
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Elks, Loren
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:10 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject
Hi all,
Still finding my feet with Structured Framemaker.. is there a way to turn
off Element Boundaries when generating a PDF (save as PDF option)??
The boundaries are great to work with but my reviewers don't like them. How
do I get rid of them across an entire book before PDFing?
I've
: 06 February 2007 15:24
To: Gordon McLean
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Auto Hide Element Boundaries?
Hi, Gordon:
Have you tried opening all the files in the book, then applying View Hide
Element Boundaries, before generating the PDF?
HTH
Regards,
Peter Gold
If you work in the tech industry and don't have time to learn, your fate is
sealed.
I know what you are saying, but you are presuming that learning how to use a
technology is more important than learning whether or not that technology is
cost-effective to me in my current situation.
On top of
to look over, and play with, the FM DITA plug in. It's a
structured tool, obviously, but seems to be a rationally usable tool rather
than an entire philosophy.
Art
On 2/15/07, Gordon McLean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you work in the tech industry and don't have time to learn, your
fate
I've been playing with the Mif2Go product this morning as I have a
requirement to produce editable versions of part of the product docs set.
Having laughed off FMs Save As feature (which generated a 51MB .RTF
file!!), I've tried converting a PDF to Word, which places all the text
within frames in
Whilst it may be wrong to compare this scenario to one offered by a free
product...
Firefox and extensions anyone? Add in some charges/licensing and you have
what seems to be a good model that is flexible enough for everyone involved,
including Adobe?
I agree with Shlomo, I think a lot of people
We use structured FrameMaker. We have a mature EDD, we are happy with the
way things are.
But it's not really any closer to single source, or modular documentation,
as we still have the content stored in .FM files and organised in books.
However, trying to find out the best way to store the
it seems.
Thanks again,
Gordon McLean
This email (and any attachments) is private and confidential, and is intended
solely for the
addressee. If you have received this communication in error
Sales figures will reveal the story.
What sells more, Photoshop or FrameMaker?
*yawns*
Gordon
This email (and any attachments) is private and confidential, and is intended
solely for the
Read the manual? Are you mad? NO-ONE DOES THAT!!
Call yerself a technical author... ;-)
And yes, it's Friday.
(valid point though, although I use The Complete Reference book more than
the manual).
Gordon
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Subject: NagGram
From the tenor of a lot of the recent
Depends on your needs Diane. And I wouldn't worry about FM 'playing' with
either, getting the right standard is more important than the tool and FM is
capable of round-trip to either standard.
I'm assuming you will be storing the content as XML, pulling it from a CMS
(or CCMS as I heard recently)
Sales figures will reveal the story.
What sells more, Photoshop or FrameMaker?
*yawns*
Gordon
This email (and any attachments) is private and confidential, and is intended
solely for the
Read the manual? Are you mad? NO-ONE DOES THAT!!
Call yerself a technical author... ;-)
And yes, it's Friday.
(valid point though, although I use The Complete Reference book more than
the manual).
Gordon
-Original Message-
Subject: NagGram
From the tenor of a lot of the recent
Brilliant info Dianne, thanks for sharing this.
REALLY needs stored somewhere other than the archives, this kind of thing!
Gordon
www.onemanwrites.co.uk
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From:
framers-bounces+gordon.mclean=grahamtechnology.com at lists.frameusers.com
I've been asked to re-work an old document and the source docs are in
FrameMaker 5. No problem, I thought, as version 7 should just upgrade them
but...
I'm getting errors and can't open the files. I can't decide whether the ZIP
files have been corrupted, or whether it's a FrameMaker issue and as
] On Behalf Of Gordon McLean
Sent: 31 May 2007 11:51
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Help, anyone got FrameMaker 5?
I've been asked to re-work an old document and the source docs are in
FrameMaker 5. No problem, I thought, as version 7 should just upgrade them
but...
I'm getting errors and can't
I'm on that list too Peter, I find both to be engaging at different times.
Glad to hear that someone is using the delete key though!
Gordon
P.S. TechCommPro is currently discussing the horror of the fact that
postings there may be being archived by another service. Not really that
engaging at
I spy a Mark Twain quote in your email signature...
Are you familiar with the one about sarcasm?
Gordon
-Original Message-
From:
framers-bounces+gordon.mclean=grahamtechnology.com at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+gordon.mclean=grahamtechnology.com at lists.frameusers.
>
> The movement toward Extreme Programming and Agile Development is a
> case in point; documentation is considered a waste of valuable
> developer time, and only needs to be slapped together in minimalist
> form at the last minute. That is at odds with the "TW perspective"
> of involvement
So, is there a "Tech Writers in Agile Dev" mailing list? I'm a member of the
Agile Usability one but haven't, yet, stumbled across a scrum of writers
(sorry!).
Gordon
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From:
framers-bounces+gordon.mclean=grahamtechnology.com at lists.frameusers.com
I'm currently evaluating a variety of tools and solutions with an aim to
moving the team to some form of single source process.
We have looked at, and like, DITA, and will be using that as the basis for
our content.
However trying to find an end-to-end solution is proving hard, or perhaps
I'm
solutions,
so I'm asking the Framers for THEIR recommendations if they have such a
system in place.
Gordon
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From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:s...@actcom.com]
Sent: 12 March 2008 09:08
To: Gordon McLean
Subject: Re: FrameMaker DITA and CMS
You need an XML editor
don't necessarily need DITA or a CMS to make amazing things happen, but
you may find that one and/or the other turns out to be the best solution.
Russ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>&g
The other products in the MadCap lineup hint more at the CMS route (check
their press release pages).
Once they get those items in play it could be an interesting product set,
and personally I think they are right to take on Adobe, even if they are
falling short at the moment. Should keep Adobe
https://info2.lotus.com/bluegrass/
This flipped across my path recently and sounds similar to what you are
doing, might be worth a look??
Gordon
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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mollye Barrett
Aaron,
Have you posted this question anywhere else? To a "non" FrameMaker list for
example (TechWR?). Just a thought.
As others have said, I'd want to know more about what outputs were required,
how often you have to build them, and what the usage of the docs will be.
FrameMaker + WWP is a
Don't quote me on this but I think the registered version turns off the
"Jabberwocky" text. The evaluation has that limitation permanently but I've
used the MIF import filter extensively without problem.
Gordon
-Original Message-
From:
framers-bounces+gordon.mclean=grahamtechnology.com
It is?
Don't get it. Is this a USA specific funny??
-Original Message-
From:
framers-bounces+gordon.mclean=grahamtechnology.com at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+gordon.mclean=grahamtechnology.com at lists.frameusers.
com] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow
Sent: 20 April 2007
:
framers-bounces+gordon.mclean=grahamtechnology.com at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+gordon.mclean=grahamtechnology.com at lists.frameusers.
com] On Behalf Of Gordon McLean
Sent: 20 April 2007 20:05
Cc: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Geeky Friday Humor
It is?
Don't get
The Documentum documentation is pretty good, and I think they offer an end
user guide that covers all the fundamentals as well as the basics of
document management.
Working with FrameMaker and DCTM is another thing altogether. There was an
add-on application that helped but not sure if it's still
Wow. Don't let the stereotypes door hit you on the arrse on the way out.
-Original Message-
From:
framers-bounces+gordon.mclean=grahamtechnology.com at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+gordon.mclean=grahamtechnology.com at lists.frameusers.
com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
And did you miss the bit on their website that offers the product to download
for evaluation? That's the FULL product, with only the output crippled.
I've used it previously and other than the fact that it relies (relied?) on
Word as the print output, and the limitations that brings to long
that may be a specialist (expensive) app, but very
willing to be proven wrong.
Gordon McLean
-Original Message-
From: owner-framers at omsys.com [mailto:owner-fram...@omsys.com] On Behalf Of
Elks, Loren
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:10 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers
Hi all,
Still finding my feet with Structured Framemaker.. is there a way to turn
off Element Boundaries when generating a PDF (save as PDF option)??
The boundaries are great to work with but my reviewers don't like them. How
do I get rid of them across an entire book before PDFing?
I've tried
]
Sent: 06 February 2007 15:24
To: Gordon McLean
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Auto Hide Element Boundaries?
Hi, Gordon:
Have you tried opening all the files in the book, then applying View > Hide
Element Boundaries, before generating the PDF?
HTH
Regards,
Pe
Problem solved.
Solution: I am an idiot.
The RestoreWindows plugin was turning on element boundaries everytime I
opened the file. Like I asked it to...
I've left your suggestions in this reply Peter, as they are exactly what I
WAS doing and should help anyone without the RestoreWindows plugin
"If you work in the tech industry and don't have time to learn, your fate is
sealed."
I know what you are saying, but you are presuming that learning how to use a
technology is more important than learning whether or not that technology is
cost-effective to me in my current situation.
On top of
to look over, and play with, the FM DITA plug in. It's a
structured tool, obviously, but seems to be a rationally usable tool rather
than an entire philosophy.
Art
On 2/15/07, Gordon McLean wrote:
> "If you work in the tech industry and don't have time to learn, your
> fate is sealed.&
I've been playing with the Mif2Go product this morning as I have a
requirement to produce "editable" versions of part of the product docs set.
Having laughed off FMs "Save As" feature (which generated a 51MB .RTF
file!!), I've tried converting a PDF to Word, which places all the text
within frames
roline at radcom.com
www.radcom.com
www.protocols.com
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From: framers-bounces+caroline=radcom@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+caroline=radcom.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Gordon McLean
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:32 PM
To: framers at lists.frameuse
Whilst it may be wrong to compare this scenario to one offered by a free
product...
Firefox and extensions anyone? Add in some charges/licensing and you have
what seems to be a good model that is flexible enough for everyone involved,
including Adobe?
I agree with Shlomo, I think a lot of people
We use structured FrameMaker. We have a mature EDD, we are happy with the
way things are.
But it's not really any closer to single source, or modular documentation,
as we still have the content stored in .FM files and organised in books.
However, trying to find out the best way to store the
d,
Gordon
_
From: Yves Barbion [mailto:yves.barb...@gmail.com]
Sent: 26 February 2007 13:40
To: Gordon McLean
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: How do you store your information?
Hi Gordon,
you want to take a look at DITA:
- http://dita.xml.org/
- http://www-1
a darkened path.
More reading for me it seems.
Thanks again,
Gordon McLean
This email (and any attachments) is private and confidential, and is intended
solely for the
addressee. If you ha
are probably looking at something clever with XML, XSLT
(?) and some sort of engine that they can use to rebuild things... be
quicker asking them to buy a copy of FrameMaker to be honest.
Gordon McLean
---
My opinions are my own.
-Original Message-
From:
framers-bounces+gordon.mclean
and all suggestions gratefully welcomed. This isn't a showstopper but
very much in the 'annoyance' category!
Thanks in advance,
Gordon McLean
Technical Author
Graham Technology
This email
Depends how you have things set up.
If you have been working from the network, and selected for FrameMaker to
create a backup file, I'm afraid the default is to place the backup file in
the working directory (right next to each other, it's daft!).
I don't think FrameMaker keeps a local cache on
you use the Remember... option to make a permanent
substitution.
>From: Rene Stephenson
>To: Gordon McLean ,
>framers at frameusers.com
>Subject: Re: Unavailable Character Encodings
>Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:09:53 -0700 (PDT)
>
>If you do want to just use available fonts as autom
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