Virtual PC
At 5:12 PM -0600 8/14/07, Graeme R Forbes wrote: >One of the things I dislike about Virtual PC (7.0.3) is that I can't see any >of the programs I installed using it. I've got WindowsXP, FrameMaker 7.1 and >Adobe Reader for Windows somewhere on my Mac, but apparently hidden. Anyone >know where they are? Mac OSX Panther. Virtual PC creates a virtual machine. That "machine", on the Mac side, uses a single file that represents a hard disk volume. It's a file that has an image of everything you've installed on your Windows "disk". So if Virtual PC is not actually running, you will not be able to find or to see any Windows application you installed. They are all on the virtual machine's disk, which is just a file, albeit a large one, from the perspective of a Mac. You can't see inside of that large disk image file, so you can't see the individual things that are installed there. To the Mac it's a file that has only one use; to be opened by Virtual PC. If you have Virtual PC running, then you can go to the Doze side and find your version of FrameMaker and Reader, just as you could if you were on a real Doze box. - web
Re: Virtual PC
At 5:12 PM -0600 8/14/07, Graeme R Forbes wrote: >One of the things I dislike about Virtual PC (7.0.3) is that I can't see any >of the programs I installed using it. I've got WindowsXP, FrameMaker 7.1 and >Adobe Reader for Windows somewhere on my Mac, but apparently hidden. Anyone >know where they are? Mac OSX Panther. Virtual PC creates a virtual machine. That "machine", on the Mac side, uses a single file that represents a hard disk volume. It's a file that has an image of everything you've installed on your Windows "disk". So if Virtual PC is not actually running, you will not be able to find or to see any Windows application you installed. They are all on the virtual machine's disk, which is just a file, albeit a large one, from the perspective of a Mac. You can't see inside of that large disk image file, so you can't see the individual things that are installed there. To the Mac it's a file that has only one use; to be opened by Virtual PC. If you have Virtual PC running, then you can go to the Doze side and find your version of FrameMaker and Reader, just as you could if you were on a real Doze box. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: How to delete trailing spaces in one go?
At 12:19 PM -0600 8/3/07, Combs, Richard wrote: >What am I missing? Nothing? >Why do people not want those spaces? I, like you, leave a trailing space. In fact, if I have an anchor - table or frame - hanging on the end of a para, I generally put an em space on either side of it so it's out there, obvious, and easy to select. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
How to delete trailing spaces in one go?
At 12:19 PM -0600 8/3/07, Combs, Richard wrote: >What am I missing? Nothing? >Why do people not want those spaces? I, like you, leave a trailing space. In fact, if I have an anchor - table or frame - hanging on the end of a para, I generally put an em space on either side of it so it's out there, obvious, and easy to select. - web
test: no need to read
I told you there was no need to read. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Mac Keyboard Commands
At 1:54 PM -0400 6/26/07, Kenneth C. Benson wrote: >Ron Miller wrote: >> >> Mac keyboard command to select a row in a table. > >Not sure, but I think it's the same as on PC: ESC THR (The wHole Row) I can verify that it is indeed the correct keystroke combo. There is also another (perhaps not well known) way to select a row (or column) using the mouse. If you put the mouse pointer "close" to a vertical cell boundary and double click it, you'll get the whole row selected. Similarly if you put it close to a horizontal cell boundary and double click it, you'll get the entire column selected. This saves you the bother of "drag selection" of a row or column. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
test: no need to read
I told you there was no need to read. - web
Mac Keyboard Commands
At 1:54 PM -0400 6/26/07, Kenneth C. Benson wrote: >Ron Miller wrote: >> >> Mac keyboard command to select a row in a table. > >Not sure, but I think it's the same as on PC: ESC THR (The wHole Row) I can verify that it is indeed the correct keystroke combo. There is also another (perhaps not well known) way to select a row (or column) using the mouse. If you put the mouse pointer "close" to a vertical cell boundary and double click it, you'll get the whole row selected. Similarly if you put it close to a horizontal cell boundary and double click it, you'll get the entire column selected. This saves you the bother of "drag selection" of a row or column. - web
OT: My Favorite Software
It's Friday afternoon, and before you try to regulate what I do, learn some new behaviour of your own. As in, don't read it if you don't want to. You know where the delete key is, I presume? Wanker. - web At 10:21 AM -0700 6/22/07, Chris Borokowski wrote: >Please, keep the internet's longest-lasting and most >tedious argument to yourself. > >--- Bill Briggs wrote: > >> Quick question, what would you do on >> Windows if I asked you to produce the "exact" result > > of 47^349 ?
OT: My Favorite Software
At 12:03 PM -0500 6/22/07, Mike Wickham wrote: >(Sorry, but there's no Mac version). You can make dual windows... That's okay. We have our own productivity tools here. Actually, the Mac UI is full of slick shortcuts if people bothered to learn them (many users I observe just don't know them). Then we have Default Folder and TypeIt4Me, two of my favourites. And there's AppleScript to build many custom tools I want/need. We're actually tricked out pretty well over here on this side. And that's not even mentioning the wickedly powerful Terminal application. Quick question, what would you do on Windows if I asked you to produce the "exact" result of 47^349 ? cheers, - web P.S. The answer is (treating the slashes as line breaks): 36488198307946258455040083461931788692283021454753331068838121209621\ 60168618132256654517666288905892962450773842407026457949166253600986\ 62773822808929101394428757123356612225717885272866107756099535063522\ 28541622697598495945714127711339367548988192999053989913912667518968\ 48027317362164279655037556238733181563031879088610076781489176030311\ 86871097834499844527627987425883046890564567818826714460124283388128\ 53693336570118416778402837578706937499830758984555137213238296521997\ 67939124567141915541148377708610174657314348459802123207919562952304\ 2900446532752828112156659354115469376367
Re: OT: My Favorite Software
It's Friday afternoon, and before you try to regulate what I do, learn some new behaviour of your own. As in, don't read it if you don't want to. You know where the delete key is, I presume? Wanker. - web At 10:21 AM -0700 6/22/07, Chris Borokowski wrote: >Please, keep the internet's longest-lasting and most >tedious argument to yourself. > >--- Bill Briggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Quick question, what would you do on >> Windows if I asked you to produce the "exact" result > > of 47^349 ? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: OT: My Favorite Software
At 12:03 PM -0500 6/22/07, Mike Wickham wrote: >(Sorry, but there's no Mac version). You can make dual windows... That's okay. We have our own productivity tools here. Actually, the Mac UI is full of slick shortcuts if people bothered to learn them (many users I observe just don't know them). Then we have Default Folder and TypeIt4Me, two of my favourites. And there's AppleScript to build many custom tools I want/need. We're actually tricked out pretty well over here on this side. And that's not even mentioning the wickedly powerful Terminal application. Quick question, what would you do on Windows if I asked you to produce the "exact" result of 47^349 ? cheers, - web P.S. The answer is (treating the slashes as line breaks): 36488198307946258455040083461931788692283021454753331068838121209621\ 60168618132256654517666288905892962450773842407026457949166253600986\ 62773822808929101394428757123356612225717885272866107756099535063522\ 28541622697598495945714127711339367548988192999053989913912667518968\ 48027317362164279655037556238733181563031879088610076781489176030311\ 86871097834499844527627987425883046890564567818826714460124283388128\ 53693336570118416778402837578706937499830758984555137213238296521997\ 67939124567141915541148377708610174657314348459802123207919562952304\ 2900446532752828112156659354115469376367 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
At 3:56 AM -0500 6/20/07, Peter Gold wrote: >Is there any reason you can't just use two stone tablets and a chisel? That's only good for documents of about, hmmm, say 10 lines or so. - web
Re: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
At 3:56 AM -0500 6/20/07, Peter Gold wrote: >Is there any reason you can't just use two stone tablets and a chisel? That's only good for documents of about, hmmm, say 10 lines or so. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FW: Adobe CEO interview
At 5:31 PM -0400 5/18/07, Ann Zdunczyk wrote: >It is interesting that I have been hearing about paperless offices for years >but have yet to see one. Its like the people that say books are going away >and being replaced by electronic media. I, as a reader, plan to continue >reading PAPER books. I do not plan to read on a screen, I do that all day. >It is much easier to read a book at the beach, in the tub, in bed etc rather >that a laptop, PDF, etc. I do not listen to books on tape, I READ. I love >the SMELL of a book. I love the feel of a book. > >I like FrameMaker. I know FrameMaker. I plan to use it until it no longer >works on ANY of the machines I have. I still use FrameMaker on my MAC. I >have been using FrameMaker since 3.0 back in the early 90's (when it was >Frame Technologies). I use it as it is. I'll ditto that. Dead tree based publishing isn't likely to go away any time soon. - web
Re: FW: Adobe CEO interview
At 5:31 PM -0400 5/18/07, Ann Zdunczyk wrote: >It is interesting that I have been hearing about paperless offices for years >but have yet to see one. Its like the people that say books are going away >and being replaced by electronic media. I, as a reader, plan to continue >reading PAPER books. I do not plan to read on a screen, I do that all day. >It is much easier to read a book at the beach, in the tub, in bed etc rather >that a laptop, PDF, etc. I do not listen to books on tape, I READ. I love >the SMELL of a book. I love the feel of a book. > >I like FrameMaker. I know FrameMaker. I plan to use it until it no longer >works on ANY of the machines I have. I still use FrameMaker on my MAC. I >have been using FrameMaker since 3.0 back in the early 90's (when it was >Frame Technologies). I use it as it is. I'll ditto that. Dead tree based publishing isn't likely to go away any time soon. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Frame's future
At 9:32 PM + 2/25/07, Paul Findon wrote: >There is no law or SEC regulation that stipulates a minimum profitability for >products, and Adobe could have simply raised the price if it really was such a >major draw on expenses. And the really pathetic irony here is that Frame Technologies first got into financial trouble as a result of entering the Windows market. They priced it too low to entice the low end OS users to buy it. Oy. >Let's tackle the points: > >* Cost of development: Can't be much with cheap Indian labor, up to 90% off! >* Cost of QA: Use customers as beta testers. >* Cost of support: The Web, mailing lists, and online forums cost nothing. >* Cost of marketing: Did Adobe ever market FrameMaker? >* Cost to make it MacOS X-compatible: Use cheap labor? We'd even be happy with >a Carbon version. See below. I'd prefer it to be Carbon based. There are a things about Cocoa applications that are less desirable on several fronts. >Quote from Apple developer site: "Carbon includes about 70 percent of the >existing Mac OS APIs, covering about 95 percent of the functions used by >applications. Because it includes most of the functions you rely on today, >converting to Carbon is a straightforward process." > >From a user's point of view, let's just imagine for a moment a FrameMaker with >all of the authoring and publishing capabilities that we've come to rely on >running on the world's best OS, with PDF-based Quartz imaging for beautiful >text, graphics, and PDF compatibility, OpenType, Unicode, automated workflows >with AppleScript, ColorSync for WYSIWYG color, and the power, reliability, and >stability of UNIX, not to mention easy access to all of our favorite UNIX >tools. A technical writer's nirvana. Amen. - web
Frame's future
At 9:29 PM + 2/25/07, Paul Findon wrote: > >Adobe could have pushed FrameMaker as a 1st class word processor and cut the >price. Throw in a spreadsheet, a cut-down version of Illustrator, and a >Powerpoint alternative and you have a whole new office platform. With >Microsoft encroaching more and more into Adobe's markets (i.e., Expression >Studio), Adobe may soon be wishing it had done something like this. Adobe already had the alternative to PowerPoint with Persuasion. And a good spreadsheet wouldn't be that hard to do. FrameMaker would have been the absolute best word processor. I think they were afraid of Microsoft. I think they are still afraid of MS. Unless you are a Mac-only developer you are, by definition, afraid of retaliation from MS if you engage in any seriously competitive activity. After all, they have the majority share of the OS market. Adobe spin doctors can protest all they want, but it's really pretty obvious. One of the truly great things about FrameMaker was the cross platform aspect. Didn't they do a great job with that. - web
A comment on upgrading and support Was: Frame's future
At 1:25 PM -0800 2/25/07, Denise L. Moss-Fritch wrote: >Currently our products are tested and approved for XP, however that operating >system is becoming harder and harder to obtain. Some of our customers have >reported they have been unable to obtain computers with XP. Certainly by later >this year we will need to have our products tested for Vista. Just how >different the software interface will become, what process flows will change, >and what will become of our online help files has yet to be determined. >Certainly during the development phase for our next release, development, QA, >and tech pubs will all be operating with Vista so we would be using FrameMaker >on computers running Vista. Sounds like you should be thankful that MS takes 5+ years between OS releases. - web
OT: A comment on upgrading and support Was: Frame's future
At 12:58 PM -0800 2/25/07, Diane Gaskill wrote: >It seems that sometimes people upgrade just to have the latest and (hopefully) >the greatest version of a sw product, car, music system, etc. This includes >Frame, Vista, and whatever. But if the new version of a product does not have >a feature I need or has fixed a bug that has been giving me trouble, I do not >see the point in upgrading. Why spend the money and the time on installing >something and take a chance on having more bugs or incompatibilities on your >system? > >There's an old saying: "If it aint broke, don't fix it." You just made a great point. It's the very reason why most Mac FrameMaker users didn't update from v6 to v7 (which no doubt helped Adobe say "there's no Mac market for FrameMaker"). Nothing compelling. None of the long-standing annoying bugs fixed (can you say "footnotes"). I'd still use FrameMaker with the version 3 functions if the alternative was Word. Sorry, but it just worked. Adobe's cred with FrameMaker is low precisely because they have not addressed those long-standing issues. I didn't need a new colour model in FrameMaker. I didn't need XML (though many did). I needed FrameMaker to be cross platform (I work with people on Sun, Win, Mac). I needed FrameMaker to be working on my platform. I needed FrameMaker to have an AppleScript implementation that wasn't so buggy that it would cough up random errors where there were none. I needed Adobe to CARE about the installed user base. What I got was the finger. - web
Re: Frame's future
At 9:32 PM + 2/25/07, Paul Findon wrote: >There is no law or SEC regulation that stipulates a minimum profitability for >products, and Adobe could have simply raised the price if it really was such a >major draw on expenses. And the really pathetic irony here is that Frame Technologies first got into financial trouble as a result of entering the Windows market. They priced it too low to entice the low end OS users to buy it. Oy. >Let's tackle the points: > >* Cost of development: Can't be much with cheap Indian labor, up to 90% off! >* Cost of QA: Use customers as beta testers. >* Cost of support: The Web, mailing lists, and online forums cost nothing. >* Cost of marketing: Did Adobe ever market FrameMaker? >* Cost to make it MacOS X-compatible: Use cheap labor? We'd even be happy with >a Carbon version. See below. I'd prefer it to be Carbon based. There are a things about Cocoa applications that are less desirable on several fronts. >Quote from Apple developer site: "Carbon includes about 70 percent of the >existing Mac OS APIs, covering about 95 percent of the functions used by >applications. Because it includes most of the functions you rely on today, >converting to Carbon is a straightforward process." > >From a user's point of view, let's just imagine for a moment a FrameMaker with >all of the authoring and publishing capabilities that we've come to rely on >running on the world's best OS, with PDF-based Quartz imaging for beautiful >text, graphics, and PDF compatibility, OpenType, Unicode, automated workflows >with AppleScript, ColorSync for WYSIWYG color, and the power, reliability, and >stability of UNIX, not to mention easy access to all of our favorite UNIX >tools. A technical writer's nirvana. Amen. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame's future
At 9:29 PM + 2/25/07, Paul Findon wrote: > >Adobe could have pushed FrameMaker as a 1st class word processor and cut the >price. Throw in a spreadsheet, a cut-down version of Illustrator, and a >Powerpoint alternative and you have a whole new office platform. With >Microsoft encroaching more and more into Adobe's markets (i.e., Expression >Studio), Adobe may soon be wishing it had done something like this. Adobe already had the alternative to PowerPoint with Persuasion. And a good spreadsheet wouldn't be that hard to do. FrameMaker would have been the absolute best word processor. I think they were afraid of Microsoft. I think they are still afraid of MS. Unless you are a Mac-only developer you are, by definition, afraid of retaliation from MS if you engage in any seriously competitive activity. After all, they have the majority share of the OS market. Adobe spin doctors can protest all they want, but it's really pretty obvious. One of the truly great things about FrameMaker was the cross platform aspect. Didn't they do a great job with that. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: A comment on upgrading and support Was: Frame's future
At 1:25 PM -0800 2/25/07, Denise L. Moss-Fritch wrote: >Currently our products are tested and approved for XP, however that operating >system is becoming harder and harder to obtain. Some of our customers have >reported they have been unable to obtain computers with XP. Certainly by later >this year we will need to have our products tested for Vista. Just how >different the software interface will become, what process flows will change, >and what will become of our online help files has yet to be determined. >Certainly during the development phase for our next release, development, QA, >and tech pubs will all be operating with Vista so we would be using FrameMaker >on computers running Vista. Sounds like you should be thankful that MS takes 5+ years between OS releases. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: OT: A comment on upgrading and support Was: Frame's future
At 12:58 PM -0800 2/25/07, Diane Gaskill wrote: >It seems that sometimes people upgrade just to have the latest and (hopefully) >the greatest version of a sw product, car, music system, etc. This includes >Frame, Vista, and whatever. But if the new version of a product does not have >a feature I need or has fixed a bug that has been giving me trouble, I do not >see the point in upgrading. Why spend the money and the time on installing >something and take a chance on having more bugs or incompatibilities on your >system? > >There's an old saying: "If it aint broke, don't fix it." You just made a great point. It's the very reason why most Mac FrameMaker users didn't update from v6 to v7 (which no doubt helped Adobe say "there's no Mac market for FrameMaker"). Nothing compelling. None of the long-standing annoying bugs fixed (can you say "footnotes"). I'd still use FrameMaker with the version 3 functions if the alternative was Word. Sorry, but it just worked. Adobe's cred with FrameMaker is low precisely because they have not addressed those long-standing issues. I didn't need a new colour model in FrameMaker. I didn't need XML (though many did). I needed FrameMaker to be cross platform (I work with people on Sun, Win, Mac). I needed FrameMaker to be working on my platform. I needed FrameMaker to have an AppleScript implementation that wasn't so buggy that it would cough up random errors where there were none. I needed Adobe to CARE about the installed user base. What I got was the finger. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Daylight savings 3 weeks earlier in US
At 3:27 PM -0800 2/21/07, Gillian Flato wrote: >Don't know if you guys have seen this but Daylight Savings is now 3 >weeks earlier in the US. You will have to manually reset your computers. Not if you use a Mac. There was an OS update that fixed this. It's all going to happen automatically, as in the past. - web
Re: Daylight savings 3 weeks earlier in US
At 3:27 PM -0800 2/21/07, Gillian Flato wrote: >Don't know if you guys have seen this but Daylight Savings is now 3 >weeks earlier in the US. You will have to manually reset your computers. Not if you use a Mac. There was an OS update that fixed this. It's all going to happen automatically, as in the past. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Frame's future
At 6:29 PM -0500 2/20/07, Keith Soltys wrote: >hedley.finger at myob.com wrote: >>Another thing Adobe could do is look at all the plug-ins and mods that >>various people have come up with to scratch an itch -- or stem a raging >>haemorrhage. For example, there are a whole bunch of indexing tools -- >>IXgen, emDex, Index Tools Pro, IndexRef, etc. -- suggesting that there is a >>crying need for a decent indexing interface on a par with Cindex or Sky >>Index. >> >>Regards, >>Hedley >> >>-- > >One of my suggestions in a blog post a while back is that they do something >similar with FrameScript to what they did with WWP Standard. Include a >run-time version of Framescript that would let people run scripts but not edit >or write them. > >It'd give the Framescript developers a bigger market to shoot at and add a lot >of value to Frame. And if they brought back the Mac version you could do the same things with AppleScript, and even integrate FrameMaker into an automated workflow. It's a pity that the FrameMaker user community (on the Mac) didn't get into the AppleScript swing of things. I only know a hand full of Mac framers who use AppleScript, but those who do have speeded productivity in dozens of ways. Some of us here on this list have used AppleScript and FrameMaker to do some amazing time saving tasks. Even with the few annoying bugs in FrameMaker's AppleScript it was possible to do stuff that was, in a word, stunning. Watching 6 hours of manual effort for a VERY experienced FrameMaker user who knows the shortcuts reduced to a double click is a powerful motivator. In 15 minutes the script would finish. And it didn't make errors. The one major drag on this is that FrameMaker 7 has a nasty habit of throwing errors at random times when there are none. Requires a restart of FrameMaker. So that bug will never get fixed. Sigh. - web
Re: Frame's future
At 6:29 PM -0500 2/20/07, Keith Soltys wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>Another thing Adobe could do is look at all the plug-ins and mods that >>various people have come up with to scratch an itch -- or stem a raging >>haemorrhage. For example, there are a whole bunch of indexing tools -- >>IXgen, emDex, Index Tools Pro, IndexRef, etc. -- suggesting that there is a >>crying need for a decent indexing interface on a par with Cindex or Sky >>Index. >> >>Regards, >>Hedley >> >>-- > >One of my suggestions in a blog post a while back is that they do something >similar with FrameScript to what they did with WWP Standard. Include a >run-time version of Framescript that would let people run scripts but not edit >or write them. > >It'd give the Framescript developers a bigger market to shoot at and add a lot >of value to Frame. And if they brought back the Mac version you could do the same things with AppleScript, and even integrate FrameMaker into an automated workflow. It's a pity that the FrameMaker user community (on the Mac) didn't get into the AppleScript swing of things. I only know a hand full of Mac framers who use AppleScript, but those who do have speeded productivity in dozens of ways. Some of us here on this list have used AppleScript and FrameMaker to do some amazing time saving tasks. Even with the few annoying bugs in FrameMaker's AppleScript it was possible to do stuff that was, in a word, stunning. Watching 6 hours of manual effort for a VERY experienced FrameMaker user who knows the shortcuts reduced to a double click is a powerful motivator. In 15 minutes the script would finish. And it didn't make errors. The one major drag on this is that FrameMaker 7 has a nasty habit of throwing errors at random times when there are none. Requires a restart of FrameMaker. So that bug will never get fixed. Sigh. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Frame's future
At 12:40 PM -0800 2/16/07, John Posada wrote: >Subject: Re: Frame's future > >> >'The most important question is; how can we make sure that >> FrameMaker continues to be the tool of choice for you?' >> >> Put it back on the @??!@!$ Macintosh. > >From my perspective, it would be a dilution of a fixed amount of >resources taken away from the platform I care about for only a small >increase in market share. Even when they were still developing the Mac version there was only one guy working on the Mac code. I think they could afford that. - web
Re: Frame's future
At 12:40 PM -0800 2/16/07, John Posada wrote: >Subject: Re: Frame's future > >> >'The most important question is; how can we make sure that >> FrameMaker continues to be the tool of choice for you?' >> >> Put it back on the @[EMAIL PROTECTED] Macintosh. > >From my perspective, it would be a dilution of a fixed amount of >resources taken away from the platform I care about for only a small >increase in market share. Even when they were still developing the Mac version there was only one guy working on the Mac code. I think they could afford that. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Asking a favor
Now don't go get all serious on me. It's Friday afternoon. At 3:07 PM -0500 2/2/07, Fred Ridder wrote: >If I'm writing a technical document (i.e. writing on a technical topic), >I might need to refer to the semiconductor type, but I am exceedingly >unlikely to ever refer to a style manual. > >If I am writing about the practice of technical writing, on the other >hand, it's pretty unlikely that I will ever have to refer to types of >semiconductors, and if I do I will certainly know to expand the >acronym. > >>From: Bill Briggs >>To: framers at lists.frameusers.com, framers at omsys.com >>Subject: Re: Asking a favor >>Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:28:57 -0400 >> >>... and breed further confusion with CMOS, which means Complementary Metal >>Oxide Semiconductor, and is commonly seen in tech writing. >> >>- web >> >>At 2:03 PM -0500 2/2/07, Fred Ridder wrote: >>>Chicago Manual of Style is often abbreviated CMoS to avoid this >>>confusion. >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: Stuart Rogers >>>>CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com, framers at omsys.com >>>>Subject: Re: Asking a favor >>>>Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:51:40 -0500 >>>> >>>>Grant Hogarth wrote: >>>>>CMS = "Content Management System" (Not always equal to "Contentment >>>>>management system" ) >>>>> >>>> >>>>Unless the topic is style guides, in which case it's the Chicago Manual of >>>>Style... >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Stuart Rogers >>>>Technical Communicator >>>>Phoenix Geophysics Limited >>>>Toronto, ON, Canada >>>>+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 >>>> >>>>srogers phoenix-geophysics com >>___ >> >> >>You are currently subscribed to Framers as DocuDoc at hotmail.com. >> >>Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. >> >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >>framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >>or visit >>http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com >> >>Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >>http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >_ >Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. >http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG
Asking a favor
... and breed further confusion with CMOS, which means Complementary Metal Oxide Semiconductor, and is commonly seen in tech writing. - web At 2:03 PM -0500 2/2/07, Fred Ridder wrote: >Chicago Manual of Style is often abbreviated CMoS to avoid this >confusion. > > > >>From: Stuart Rogers >>CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com, framers at omsys.com >>Subject: Re: Asking a favor >>Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:51:40 -0500 >> >>Grant Hogarth wrote: >>>CMS = "Content Management System" (Not always equal to "Contentment >>>management system" ) >>> >> >>Unless the topic is style guides, in which case it's the Chicago Manual of >>Style... >> >>-- >>Stuart Rogers >>Technical Communicator >>Phoenix Geophysics Limited >>Toronto, ON, Canada >>+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 >> >>srogers phoenix-geophysics com
Re: Asking a favor
Now don't go get all serious on me. It's Friday afternoon. At 3:07 PM -0500 2/2/07, Fred Ridder wrote: >If I'm writing a technical document (i.e. writing on a technical topic), >I might need to refer to the semiconductor type, but I am exceedingly >unlikely to ever refer to a style manual. > >If I am writing about the practice of technical writing, on the other >hand, it's pretty unlikely that I will ever have to refer to types of >semiconductors, and if I do I will certainly know to expand the >acronym. > >>From: Bill Briggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: framers@lists.frameusers.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: Asking a favor >>Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:28:57 -0400 >> >>... and breed further confusion with CMOS, which means Complementary Metal >>Oxide Semiconductor, and is commonly seen in tech writing. >> >>- web >> >>At 2:03 PM -0500 2/2/07, Fred Ridder wrote: >>>Chicago Manual of Style is often abbreviated CMoS to avoid this >>>confusion. >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: Stuart Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>Subject: Re: Asking a favor >>>>Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:51:40 -0500 >>>> >>>>Grant Hogarth wrote: >>>>>CMS = "Content Management System" (Not always equal to "Contentment >>>>>management system" ) >>>>> >>>> >>>>Unless the topic is style guides, in which case it's the Chicago Manual of >>>>Style... >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Stuart Rogers >>>>Technical Communicator >>>>Phoenix Geophysics Limited >>>>Toronto, ON, Canada >>>>+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 >>>> >>>>srogers phoenix-geophysics com >>___ >> >> >>You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>or visit >>http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com >> >>Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit >>http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >_ >Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. >http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Asking a favor
... and breed further confusion with CMOS, which means Complementary Metal Oxide Semiconductor, and is commonly seen in tech writing. - web At 2:03 PM -0500 2/2/07, Fred Ridder wrote: >Chicago Manual of Style is often abbreviated CMoS to avoid this >confusion. > > > >>From: Stuart Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: Asking a favor >>Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:51:40 -0500 >> >>Grant Hogarth wrote: >>>CMS = "Content Management System" (Not always equal to "Contentment >>>management system" ) >>> >> >>Unless the topic is style guides, in which case it's the Chicago Manual of >>Style... >> >>-- >>Stuart Rogers >>Technical Communicator >>Phoenix Geophysics Limited >>Toronto, ON, Canada >>+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 >> >>srogers phoenix-geophysics com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Replacing Framemaker
At 12:43 PM + 2/1/07, Steve Rickaby wrote: >I sometimes think I'd dearly like to see a head-to-head challenge between a >competent FrameMaker user and a competent Word user (or 'FrameMaker >'alternative of your choice' user) to perform a series of standard operations >we take for granted in FrameMaker. Such a test could involve creating a >template with a dozen styles, expanding that into a book, top and tailing the >book, indexing a few paragraphs, making all the table styles consistent, and >so on... against the clock. I did this exact thing at Macworld a few years ago. It was the desktop pub shootout, or some such title. There was a Quark expert, an ID expert, and me driving FrameMaker. We took turns doing things that showed the application's "stuff" and challenged the others to match it. MS Word wasn't even invited to the shootout as it wasn't considered a contender. All things considered, FrameMaker held its ground against the others. It couldn't match the typography of ID, and was not as graceful at doing magazine style layout with lots of graphics, but it kicked some butt in the area where we all know it shines, like number streams, cross references, conditional text, etc. There was no clear winner. It came down to choosing the right tool for the job. Of course ID and Quark were fighting for supremacy in the same DTP space. FrameMaker has a feature set that focuses on other things. But it held its own. My most vivid memory of the shootout was the audible gasp from Jay (who was driving Quark) when, with a couple of keystrokes, I imported an image into a table cell. Apparently that wasn't easy to do in Quark at that time. But then we all know the virtues of FrameMaker. - web
Re: Replacing Framemaker
At 12:43 PM + 2/1/07, Steve Rickaby wrote: >I sometimes think I'd dearly like to see a head-to-head challenge between a >competent FrameMaker user and a competent Word user (or 'FrameMaker >'alternative of your choice' user) to perform a series of standard operations >we take for granted in FrameMaker. Such a test could involve creating a >template with a dozen styles, expanding that into a book, top and tailing the >book, indexing a few paragraphs, making all the table styles consistent, and >so on... against the clock. I did this exact thing at Macworld a few years ago. It was the desktop pub shootout, or some such title. There was a Quark expert, an ID expert, and me driving FrameMaker. We took turns doing things that showed the application's "stuff" and challenged the others to match it. MS Word wasn't even invited to the shootout as it wasn't considered a contender. All things considered, FrameMaker held its ground against the others. It couldn't match the typography of ID, and was not as graceful at doing magazine style layout with lots of graphics, but it kicked some butt in the area where we all know it shines, like number streams, cross references, conditional text, etc. There was no clear winner. It came down to choosing the right tool for the job. Of course ID and Quark were fighting for supremacy in the same DTP space. FrameMaker has a feature set that focuses on other things. But it held its own. My most vivid memory of the shootout was the audible gasp from Jay (who was driving Quark) when, with a couple of keystrokes, I imported an image into a table cell. Apparently that wasn't easy to do in Quark at that time. But then we all know the virtues of FrameMaker. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
High quality images
At 2:50 PM -0800 1/29/07, Dov Isaacs wrote: >Any LZW or ZIP >compression in a screen shot (or any other image) >imported into FrameMaker is absolutely lost when >FrameMaker sends the image data to the PostScript driver! Which means, when translated, that FrameMaker unpacks the compressed image when it opens the file (and LZW compression is lossless), and what it sends to the printer is the TIFF image as it is uncompressed. I've been using LZW compressed TIFFs in FrameMaker for 13 years and have NEVER had any problem printing them to any printer or to PDF. When you open a FrameMaker document with an LZW compressed TIFF you will only notice one difference. When you page through the document and come to a page that has a large compressed TIFF image you may see a slight delay as FrameMaker unpacks it and the image writes line by line to the display. Apart from that you shouldn't see any difference. - web
RE: High quality images
At 2:50 PM -0800 1/29/07, Dov Isaacs wrote: >Any LZW or ZIP >compression in a screen shot (or any other image) >imported into FrameMaker is absolutely lost when >FrameMaker sends the image data to the PostScript driver! Which means, when translated, that FrameMaker unpacks the compressed image when it opens the file (and LZW compression is lossless), and what it sends to the printer is the TIFF image as it is uncompressed. I've been using LZW compressed TIFFs in FrameMaker for 13 years and have NEVER had any problem printing them to any printer or to PDF. When you open a FrameMaker document with an LZW compressed TIFF you will only notice one difference. When you page through the document and come to a page that has a large compressed TIFF image you may see a slight delay as FrameMaker unpacks it and the image writes line by line to the display. Apart from that you shouldn't see any difference. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
How long to learn FrameScript?
At 4:33 PM + 1/23/07, Steve Rickaby wrote: >I'm wary of script languages generally because of the 'macro trap'. This is my >term for a syndrome I noticed when I was a manager in the computer industry. >It's real easy to think, 'Right, this is a tedious process, but I can automate >it with a script and save *tons* of time'... and then spend twice as long >developing and testing the automation than it would have taken to do the task >manually in the first place ;-) > >I've even fallen into the macro trap myself... once, slightly scarily, with >electronic *hardware*, during my postgrad research. > >I'm sure Rick never does this, though ;-) I don't use FrameScript, but I've used AppleScript a lot with FrameMaker and many other applications. While some scripts can take a long time to write and debug, I've found that for the vast majority I got payback on the first use. One script I use only once per term, but it saves me about 5 hours of manual drudgery and a bout of RSI. It took about an hour and a half to write. And since scripting is LOT more fun than copying and pasting data from one location to another, I'll go for the scripting. The big downside I see to scripting solutions in an organization is when you provide scripts to others to use and abuse. If anything changes that causes the script to error they need you to fix the script. Things I maintain myself for my own use are not an issue - I just fix them. Releasing scripts for others to use requires a lot more work because you need to bulletproof them and one can never be sure that all of the contingencies have been covered. - web
Re: How long to learn FrameScript?
At 4:33 PM + 1/23/07, Steve Rickaby wrote: >I'm wary of script languages generally because of the 'macro trap'. This is my >term for a syndrome I noticed when I was a manager in the computer industry. >It's real easy to think, 'Right, this is a tedious process, but I can automate >it with a script and save *tons* of time'... and then spend twice as long >developing and testing the automation than it would have taken to do the task >manually in the first place ;-) > >I've even fallen into the macro trap myself... once, slightly scarily, with >electronic *hardware*, during my postgrad research. > >I'm sure Rick never does this, though ;-) I don't use FrameScript, but I've used AppleScript a lot with FrameMaker and many other applications. While some scripts can take a long time to write and debug, I've found that for the vast majority I got payback on the first use. One script I use only once per term, but it saves me about 5 hours of manual drudgery and a bout of RSI. It took about an hour and a half to write. And since scripting is LOT more fun than copying and pasting data from one location to another, I'll go for the scripting. The big downside I see to scripting solutions in an organization is when you provide scripts to others to use and abuse. If anything changes that causes the script to error they need you to fix the script. Things I maintain myself for my own use are not an issue - I just fix them. Releasing scripts for others to use requires a lot more work because you need to bulletproof them and one can never be sure that all of the contingencies have been covered. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Dual Monitor(s) ??s
Not that anyone here cares, but on the Mac you don't need anything special. Add a graphics card and you're good to go. The OS just looks after it. If you have a PowerBook you just plug in the second monitor. Macs have natively supported up to six monitors (yes, you read that right, 6) out of the box since day 1 (now 23 years ago). I've used two monitors for about 13 years now. Main screen (which is the PowerBook) on the right, tools on the big Sony to the left. I'm about to get a new flat panel for the office, but at home I'm keeping the big Sony as it's still a really good monitor. - web At 1:57 PM -0500 1/13/07, Richard Doll wrote: >As many of you have touted the advantages of dual monitors . . . My ??s >follow: > >Replacing 4-yr. old (now too slow) Dell 360 Precision WrkStation with: >NewSys: WinXP Pro - Dell 490 PrecisionWorkStation - 2G Mem - 80Gig Hard >Drv - Dual Monitor IntFace/Contrlr >Apps: FMkr 7.2 - PShop - Illustrtr - AcrobtPro 5.05 w/Dstlr - MSWrd - >VisualBasic - ColourChameleon > >Try'd 24" Wide Screen on this sys; but, aspect of wide-screen only stretches >display to fill monitor area. Such that 8.5x11-in page at 100% displays at >10.25x11 . . . like its quite chubby. Type and graphics also display >pixelized/distorted. Can change aspect to normal, but then, margins are >completely dead and type still pixcelized. >So, returning 2407 monitor for two regular (aspect) screens. > >Question(s) is . . . How to direct certain apps to display on which screen >and (FMkr) how to have (para/table/structure/etc). designer "drop-downs" to >appear on screen2 next to the screen1 that would display the main/page >window. >And . . . should I care how the mouse knows that the right boundary of >screen #1 is really the left edge of screen #2 and will flow across? Or, >will I also need multi-mices? 8^) > >best to all, >dick doll >sgmlindy at tds,net >All outgoing mail & attachments checked by Norton AntiVirus. As if Norton was of any use.
Re: Dual Monitor(s) ??s
Not that anyone here cares, but on the Mac you don't need anything special. Add a graphics card and you're good to go. The OS just looks after it. If you have a PowerBook you just plug in the second monitor. Macs have natively supported up to six monitors (yes, you read that right, 6) out of the box since day 1 (now 23 years ago). I've used two monitors for about 13 years now. Main screen (which is the PowerBook) on the right, tools on the big Sony to the left. I'm about to get a new flat panel for the office, but at home I'm keeping the big Sony as it's still a really good monitor. - web At 1:57 PM -0500 1/13/07, Richard Doll wrote: >As many of you have touted the advantages of dual monitors . . . My ??s >follow: > >Replacing 4-yr. old (now too slow) Dell 360 Precision WrkStation with: >NewSys: WinXP Pro - Dell 490 PrecisionWorkStation - 2G Mem - 80Gig Hard >Drv - Dual Monitor IntFace/Contrlr >Apps: FMkr 7.2 - PShop - Illustrtr - AcrobtPro 5.05 w/Dstlr - MSWrd - >VisualBasic - ColourChameleon > >Try'd 24" Wide Screen on this sys; but, aspect of wide-screen only stretches >display to fill monitor area. Such that 8.5x11-in page at 100% displays at >10.25x11 . . . like its quite chubby. Type and graphics also display >pixelized/distorted. Can change aspect to normal, but then, margins are >completely dead and type still pixcelized. >So, returning 2407 monitor for two regular (aspect) screens. > >Question(s) is . . . How to direct certain apps to display on which screen >and (FMkr) how to have (para/table/structure/etc). designer "drop-downs" to >appear on screen2 next to the screen1 that would display the main/page >window. >And . . . should I care how the mouse knows that the right boundary of >screen #1 is really the left edge of screen #2 and will flow across? Or, >will I also need multi-mices? 8^) > >best to all, >dick doll >[EMAIL PROTECTED],net >All outgoing mail & attachments checked by Norton AntiVirus. As if Norton was of any use. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Looking for an editable output from Frame 7.2
At 5:25 PM + 1/9/07, Steve Rickaby wrote: >At 08:49 -0800 9/1/07, Gillian Flato wrote: > >>Just make it a PDF and then, in the PDF, click File > Send for Review. >>Acrobat will make the PDF editable. >> >>Caveat: You must possess Acrobat Professional 7.0 or greater. The editor >>just needs the free Adobe Reader. > >And Acrobat can handle line and page reflows? This is not my understanding of >what Acrobat is about. PDF documents are specified page by page. So far as I know there's no way to reflow in Acrobat. The editing facility is to perform minor things. Given the way the PostScript underpinnings work I can't see how Acrobat could do more than that. - web
RE: Looking for an editable output from Frame 7.2
At 5:25 PM + 1/9/07, Steve Rickaby wrote: >At 08:49 -0800 9/1/07, Gillian Flato wrote: > >>Just make it a PDF and then, in the PDF, click File > Send for Review. >>Acrobat will make the PDF editable. >> >>Caveat: You must possess Acrobat Professional 7.0 or greater. The editor >>just needs the free Adobe Reader. > >And Acrobat can handle line and page reflows? This is not my understanding of >what Acrobat is about. PDF documents are specified page by page. So far as I know there's no way to reflow in Acrobat. The editing facility is to perform minor things. Given the way the PostScript underpinnings work I can't see how Acrobat could do more than that. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM and crossover for mac
At 8:02 AM +0100 12/20/06, Amnon Yaish wrote: >Has anyone tried FrameMaker on a macintel with the Codeweavers' >CrossOver for Mac ? No, but FrameMaker 7.1 is on their list of supported applications. - web
Re: FM and crossover for mac
At 8:02 AM +0100 12/20/06, Amnon Yaish wrote: >Has anyone tried FrameMaker on a macintel with the Codeweavers' >CrossOver for Mac ? No, but FrameMaker 7.1 is on their list of supported applications. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger
At 5:36 AM -0700 10/10/06, David Creamer wrote: > > >This is intriguing to me. My understanding was that Classic, and >> therefore OS 9, wouldn't run on any of the later machines, particularly >> any Intel-based machines. . > >The confusion comes from whether the computer can BOOT, that is start up, in >OS 9 -- or can it run OS 9 in Classic emulation (while running under OS X). > >There is the breakdown: > >Intel-based computers cannot run Classic or OS 9 at all.* > >Almost all G5 and later-model G4 computers cannot BOOT into OS 9, but CAN >run OS 9 through Classic emulation. > >Older G4 and most G3 systems can BOOT into either OS X or OS 9. >Logically, they can run OS 9 in Classic mode as well. > > >The issue is hardware based. Tiger (OS 10.4.X) has nothing to do with it. >The only requirement for Tiger, if I recall correctly, is that it requires >the computer to have built-in FireWire. (This basically leaves out the old >beige G3 systems.) > > >*Intel Macs can run Windows apps through a variety of methods. All of this reply is completely correct. I also run FrameMaker 7 in Classic on Tiger in a G4 PowerBook. Works as well as any application. It's more stable than Safari. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger
At 1:03 PM -0700 10/9/06, Sam Beard wrote: >As far as I'm aware There's the rub. Unaware. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
OS 9 Applications on Tiger
At 5:36 AM -0700 10/10/06, David Creamer wrote: > > >This is intriguing to me. My understanding was that Classic, and >> therefore OS 9, wouldn't run on any of the later machines, particularly >> any Intel-based machines. . > >The confusion comes from whether the computer can BOOT, that is start up, in >OS 9 -- or can it run OS 9 in Classic emulation (while running under OS X). > >There is the breakdown: > >Intel-based computers cannot run Classic or OS 9 at all.* > >Almost all G5 and later-model G4 computers cannot BOOT into OS 9, but CAN >run OS 9 through Classic emulation. > >Older G4 and most G3 systems can BOOT into either OS X or OS 9. >Logically, they can run OS 9 in Classic mode as well. > > >The issue is hardware based. Tiger (OS 10.4.X) has nothing to do with it. >The only requirement for Tiger, if I recall correctly, is that it requires >the computer to have built-in FireWire. (This basically leaves out the old >beige G3 systems.) > > >*Intel Macs can run Windows apps through a variety of methods. All of this reply is completely correct. I also run FrameMaker 7 in Classic on Tiger in a G4 PowerBook. Works as well as any application. It's more stable than Safari. - web
OS 9 Applications on Tiger
At 1:03 PM -0700 10/9/06, Sam Beard wrote: >As far as I'm aware There's the rub. Unaware. - web
OT: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces
So far I haven't noticed them at my work address (this is my personal address). But then there are university spam filters at work on that one. - web At 10:05 AM -0400 9/15/06, Bill Swallow wrote: >I've been receiving them for quite some time now. I have yet to >receive a response. Further, addresses I do not use for professional >networking (like my at-work address, which I reserve for at-work mail) >somehow is receiving these. I'd really like to know where Pubsnet got >these addresses from. > >On 9/14/06, Bill Briggs wrote: >>At 10:32 AM -0700 9/14/06, Don Laux wrote: >>>Is anyone else receiving a bunch of "out of office reply" and "thanks for >>>your resume" auto-reply bounces from the Pubsnet newsletter? >> >> Yup. It was a trickle, now it's a stream. I'd like it stopped completely, >> before it becomes a flood. > >-- >Bill Swallow >HATT List Owner >WWP-Users List Owner >Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter >http://techcommdood.blogspot.com >avid homebrewer and proud beer snob >"I see your OOO message and raise you a clue."
Re: OT: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces
So far I haven't noticed them at my work address (this is my personal address). But then there are university spam filters at work on that one. - web At 10:05 AM -0400 9/15/06, Bill Swallow wrote: >I've been receiving them for quite some time now. I have yet to >receive a response. Further, addresses I do not use for professional >networking (like my at-work address, which I reserve for at-work mail) >somehow is receiving these. I'd really like to know where Pubsnet got >these addresses from. > >On 9/14/06, Bill Briggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>At 10:32 AM -0700 9/14/06, Don Laux wrote: >>>Is anyone else receiving a bunch of "out of office reply" and "thanks for >>>your resume" auto-reply bounces from the Pubsnet newsletter? >> >> Yup. It was a trickle, now it's a stream. I'd like it stopped completely, >> before it becomes a flood. > >-- >Bill Swallow >HATT List Owner >WWP-Users List Owner >Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter >http://techcommdood.blogspot.com >avid homebrewer and proud beer snob >"I see your OOO message and raise you a clue." ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces
At 12:40 PM -0500 9/14/06, Bureeda Bruner wrote: >I assume everyone on their subscriber list is receiving them. I'm manifestly NOT on their subscriber list and I'm getting them. Me thinks they have harvested names from the framers list. - web
OT: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces
At 10:32 AM -0700 9/14/06, Don Laux wrote: >Is anyone else receiving a bunch of "out of office reply" and "thanks for >your resume" auto-reply bounces from the Pubsnet newsletter? Yup. It was a trickle, now it's a stream. I'd like it stopped completely, before it becomes a flood. - web
good flowchart software to use with Frame
And if they are done in FrameMaker using the primitives I made they get spell checked along with the rest of the document. That's worth something. - web At 9:00 AM -0700 9/14/06, Gillian Flato wrote: >Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if >your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need >to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow >chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in >Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow >chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money >for that. > >Just something to keep in mind. > >I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that >specific reason. > > >Thank you, > >Gillian Flato >Technical Writer (Software) >Nanometrics, Inc. > > >-Original Message- >From: framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com >[mailto:framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com] On >Behalf Of Bill Briggs >Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:53 AM >To: framers at lists.frameusers.com >Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame > >FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly >drawn and pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people >on the list have tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they >will comment. If you're interested I'll try to find them. I've not used >them in quite some time. > > - web > >At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote: >>Hi, all, >>I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used >SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and >it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions?? >>Beth >>___ >> >> >>You are currently subscribed to Framers as web at nbnet.nb.ca. >> >>Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. >> >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >>or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/web%40nbnet.nb.ca >> >>Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >>http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as gflato at nanometrics.com. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics >.com > >Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > >This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information >intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended >recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, >disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message >is strictly prohibited.
2 blank pages
At 5:26 PM +0300 9/14/06, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: >I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I tried every possibility under >Pagination, Delete Blank pages, etc. Any ideas? One possibility is that upon generation of the book the penultimate index page has a lone trailing empty paragraph on it (the end of flow marker would be visible) and that page makes the page count odd for the file. If your setup is to make page count even for that file, then Frame would add an additional page to the index to satisfy that criterion. But whatever it is, it's definitely fixable. :-) - web
RE: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces
At 12:40 PM -0500 9/14/06, Bureeda Bruner wrote: >I assume everyone on their subscriber list is receiving them. I'm manifestly NOT on their subscriber list and I'm getting them. Me thinks they have harvested names from the framers list. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: OT: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces
At 10:32 AM -0700 9/14/06, Don Laux wrote: >Is anyone else receiving a bunch of "out of office reply" and "thanks for >your resume" auto-reply bounces from the Pubsnet newsletter? Yup. It was a trickle, now it's a stream. I'd like it stopped completely, before it becomes a flood. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame
And if they are done in FrameMaker using the primitives I made they get spell checked along with the rest of the document. That's worth something. - web At 9:00 AM -0700 9/14/06, Gillian Flato wrote: >Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if >your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need >to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow >chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in >Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow >chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money >for that. > >Just something to keep in mind. > >I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that >specific reason. > > >Thank you, > >Gillian Flato >Technical Writer (Software) >Nanometrics, Inc. > > >-Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Bill Briggs >Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:53 AM >To: framers@lists.frameusers.com >Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame > >FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly >drawn and pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people >on the list have tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they >will comment. If you're interested I'll try to find them. I've not used >them in quite some time. > > - web > >At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote: >>Hi, all, >>I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used >SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and >it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions?? >>Beth >>___ >> >> >>You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/web%40nbnet.nb.ca >> >>Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit >>http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics >.com > >Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > >This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information >intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended >recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, >disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message >is strictly prohibited. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
good flowchart software to use with Frame
FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly drawn and pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people on the list have tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they will comment. If you're interested I'll try to find them. I've not used them in quite some time. - web At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote: >Hi, all, >I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used SmartDraw, but >when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and it does not resize >well. Anyone have any suggestions?? >Beth >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as web at nbnet.nb.ca. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at >lists.frameusers.com >or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/web%40nbnet.nb.ca > >Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: 2 blank pages
At 5:26 PM +0300 9/14/06, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: >I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I tried every possibility under >Pagination, Delete Blank pages, etc. Any ideas? One possibility is that upon generation of the book the penultimate index page has a lone trailing empty paragraph on it (the end of flow marker would be visible) and that page makes the page count odd for the file. If your setup is to make page count even for that file, then Frame would add an additional page to the index to satisfy that criterion. But whatever it is, it's definitely fixable. :-) - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame
FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly drawn and pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people on the list have tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they will comment. If you're interested I'll try to find them. I've not used them in quite some time. - web At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote: >Hi, all, >I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used SmartDraw, but >when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and it does not resize >well. Anyone have any suggestions?? >Beth >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/web%40nbnet.nb.ca > >Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Leader Dots Not Appearing on TOC
At 8:45 PM -0400 8/8/06, Eduardo F. Cidade, Sr. wrote: >Good morning fellow Acrobats and Framers >First, the setup: Frame 7.0p579, Acrobat 5.0.5 > >Okay, I generated a TOC. The process went flawlessly. The leader dots from >the heading*X*TOC to the page number appear. That's not the problem. > >The problem occurs twofold: > >a. When printing to a physical printer, the first row of leader dots >appears, but the second and subsequent rows do not appear. > >b. Well, then I decided to print to a .ps file, then render to a .PDF, >thinking I can beat this problem via the PDF side of the house.same >result. The document is picture-perfect except for the leader dots.they >don't appear in the document for other than the first row. > >Any hints, tips, or tricks would be most appreciated. > >Regards and thanks Sounds like you didn't "Update all" when you were on the Ref page. You need to apply that style update on the ref page, not the body page. If you do it only on the body page, it won't "take. Then make sure that the style is applied to all of the tags on the body page, or you won't get what you want. This is one of those rare freaky little twists in FrameMaker. There aren't a lot of them, but this little honey is one of the more obscure of the lot. - web
Re: Leader Dots Not Appearing on TOC
At 8:45 PM -0400 8/8/06, Eduardo F. Cidade, Sr. wrote: >Good morning fellow Acrobats and Framers >First, the setup: Frame 7.0p579, Acrobat 5.0.5 > >Okay, I generated a TOC. The process went flawlessly. The leader dots from >the heading*X*TOC to the page number appear. That's not the problem. > >The problem occurs twofold: > >a. When printing to a physical printer, the first row of leader dots >appears, but the second and subsequent rows do not appear. > >b. Well, then I decided to print to a .ps file, then render to a .PDF, >thinking I can beat this problem via the PDF side of the house.same >result. The document is picture-perfect except for the leader dots.they >don't appear in the document for other than the first row. > >Any hints, tips, or tricks would be most appreciated. > >Regards and thanks Sounds like you didn't "Update all" when you were on the Ref page. You need to apply that style update on the ref page, not the body page. If you do it only on the body page, it won't "take. Then make sure that the style is applied to all of the tags on the body page, or you won't get what you want. This is one of those rare freaky little twists in FrameMaker. There aren't a lot of them, but this little honey is one of the more obscure of the lot. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
[slightly OT, but relevant] MS kills VPC
You knew it was bound to happen... http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/08/07/vpc/index.php - web
[slightly OT, but relevant] MS kills VPC
You knew it was bound to happen... http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/08/07/vpc/index.php - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Memory in Mac Classic
At 11:03 AM -0300 8/5/06, Bill Briggs wrote: >At 10:16 PM -0600 8/4/06, Ed Rush wrote: >>In "real" Mac OS 9 and earlier, you would increase the memory allotted to >>FrameMaker (or any app) by typing a number in the app's Information window >>(command-I). In Classic under OS 10.4, however, I'm seeing this grayed out. >>It won't let me up the memory. >> >>Does anyone here know of a way around this? I need to accommodate a big book, >>and FM can't open all of the files at once. > > You might try this, if you have an OS 9 Mac handy. Set the memory for > FrameMaker on the OS 9 Mac and copy the file to the Classic environment on > the OS X machine. It goes here: >/Files from OS 9/System Folder/Preferences/ > > This untested, but it's the first thing I'd try. That should be "copy the FrameMaker preferences file..." - web
Memory in Mac Classic
At 10:16 PM -0600 8/4/06, Ed Rush wrote: >In "real" Mac OS 9 and earlier, you would increase the memory allotted to >FrameMaker (or any app) by typing a number in the app's Information window >(command-I). In Classic under OS 10.4, however, I'm seeing this grayed out. It >won't let me up the memory. > >Does anyone here know of a way around this? I need to accommodate a big book, >and FM can't open all of the files at once. You might try this, if you have an OS 9 Mac handy. Set the memory for FrameMaker on the OS 9 Mac and copy the file to the Classic environment on the OS X machine. It goes here: /Files from OS 9/System Folder/Preferences/ This untested, but it's the first thing I'd try. - web
Re: Memory in Mac Classic
At 11:03 AM -0300 8/5/06, Bill Briggs wrote: >At 10:16 PM -0600 8/4/06, Ed Rush wrote: >>In "real" Mac OS 9 and earlier, you would increase the memory allotted to >>FrameMaker (or any app) by typing a number in the app's Information window >>(command-I). In Classic under OS 10.4, however, I'm seeing this grayed out. >>It won't let me up the memory. >> >>Does anyone here know of a way around this? I need to accommodate a big book, >>and FM can't open all of the files at once. > > You might try this, if you have an OS 9 Mac handy. Set the memory for > FrameMaker on the OS 9 Mac and copy the file to the Classic environment on > the OS X machine. It goes here: >/Files from OS 9/System Folder/Preferences/ > > This untested, but it's the first thing I'd try. That should be "copy the FrameMaker preferences file..." - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Memory in Mac Classic
At 10:16 PM -0600 8/4/06, Ed Rush wrote: >In "real" Mac OS 9 and earlier, you would increase the memory allotted to >FrameMaker (or any app) by typing a number in the app's Information window >(command-I). In Classic under OS 10.4, however, I'm seeing this grayed out. It >won't let me up the memory. > >Does anyone here know of a way around this? I need to accommodate a big book, >and FM can't open all of the files at once. You might try this, if you have an OS 9 Mac handy. Set the memory for FrameMaker on the OS 9 Mac and copy the file to the Classic environment on the OS X machine. It goes here: /Files from OS 9/System Folder/Preferences/ This untested, but it's the first thing I'd try. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
OT: Syntax for if/then statement
At 12:33 PM -0600 6/29/06, Grant Hogarth, self-professed pedant, wrote: >To build still further on Eric's excellent discourse: > >There also exists the possibility of a conditional dependency of action. > E.g. "If your book wins a Pulitzer, [then] you > [will/can/must/shall/may/ought to/...] celebrate..." > > >- If A, then B (explicit consequence, implied (but not required) >order) >- If A and B (explicit connection, both elements required) >- If A, and then B (explicit consequence, conditions must occur in fixed >order) >- If A, B (explict set construction with tacit connection, but >no required sequence) > >In the first three of these, the time separation element is implied as a >requirement; Sorry, but that's not so. My example in a previous message has no time element and satisfies the first just fine thank you. It's not necessary that these things are sequences of instructions, they can be existing conditions, which is how the constructs arise in logic and in programming any kind of logic based system. Further, the first instance is a complete notion. The second and third are not and require a consequence to complete the statement. The last is totally unclear to me. Is it "if A and B" or "if A or B" or "if A given B" or something else? It is not possible to ascertain from what you've written. - web
OT: Syntax for if/then statement
At 2:22 PM -0400 6/29/06, T.W. Smith wrote: >2) Click File, click New. That comma splice becomes, "Click File, then click >New." which is technically incorrect and ought be "Click File, and then click >New." But this isn't even the same construct. This is an imperative; a set of instructions: do something and then do something else. You can't put an "if" in front of this and have it make sense. So it's not the same construct as "If condition A is true, then condition B is true" (or alternately, "If condition A is true, then do B"). Totally different things. - web
Syntax for if/then statement
At 2:13 PM -0400 6/29/06, Beck, Charles wrote: >However, in the case of a conditional construct, I stand by my statement >and conviction that most readers could not care less whether we say, "If >such-and-such is true, then do this," or "If such-and-such is true, do >this." I agree. In the second instance the "then" is implicit. - web
OT: Syntax for if/then statement
At 2:04 PM -0400 6/29/06, eric.dunn at ca.transport.bombardier.com wrote: >Firstly, logically speaking, isn't there a difference between: >- If A, and then B >and >- If A and B From the point of view of someone who is used to such structures in programming languages the first variant would never be used; the "and" would simply not be there. Once you remove the "and" the meaning is clear. If "condition specified by A is true" then "condition specified by B is also true. And example might be (with apologies to the exceptional duckbill platapus) If it nurses its young, then it is a mammal. Note that if you stick the "and" in there it changes everything, and as someone noted earlier, it makes the sentence incomplete. As for the second variant, it means quite simply "If the condition specified by A is true and the condition specified by B is also true, ..." but it also needs to be completed with some kind of outcome, generally specified by a "...then..." construct. >The first implies a wait or sequence between events A and B. It does not >imply that the events are simultaneous nor that they need to be >maintained. If A happens, stops, then six months later B happens, the >first statement is true. No. If you interpret it that way you need to have some consequence to complete the idea. > The second statement is true only while both >events are happening (and they could start in any order). Not necessarily "events happening"; more often than not it's "existing conditions". >Secondly, Why does the sentence even contain "then" in the first place? >(You don't even include THEN in If statements in many languages.) Because that's how the logic is described in words when B is a subset of A, or a condition that is always true if A is true. Folks seem to be tackling this from a grammatical perspective and consulting style manuals. These constructs come directly from the language of mathematics. The addition of the word "and" (which is a logical operator in its own right) just serves to confuse what is perfectly clear without it by making a complete thought incomplete (both logically and gramatically). - web
RE: OT: Syntax for if/then statement
At 12:33 PM -0600 6/29/06, Grant Hogarth, self-professed pedant, wrote: >To build still further on Eric's excellent discourse: > >There also exists the possibility of a conditional dependency of action. > E.g. "If your book wins a Pulitzer, [then] you > [will/can/must/shall/may/ought to/...] celebrate..." > > >- If A, then B (explicit consequence, implied (but not required) >order) >- If A and B (explicit connection, both elements required) >- If A, and then B (explicit consequence, conditions must occur in fixed >order) >- If A, B (explict set construction with tacit connection, but >no required sequence) > >In the first three of these, the time separation element is implied as a >requirement; Sorry, but that's not so. My example in a previous message has no time element and satisfies the first just fine thank you. It's not necessary that these things are sequences of instructions, they can be existing conditions, which is how the constructs arise in logic and in programming any kind of logic based system. Further, the first instance is a complete notion. The second and third are not and require a consequence to complete the statement. The last is totally unclear to me. Is it "if A and B" or "if A or B" or "if A given B" or something else? It is not possible to ascertain from what you've written. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: OT: Syntax for if/then statement
At 2:22 PM -0400 6/29/06, T.W. Smith wrote: >2) Click File, click New. That comma splice becomes, "Click File, then click >New." which is technically incorrect and ought be "Click File, and then click >New." But this isn't even the same construct. This is an imperative; a set of instructions: do something and then do something else. You can't put an "if" in front of this and have it make sense. So it's not the same construct as "If condition A is true, then condition B is true" (or alternately, "If condition A is true, then do B"). Totally different things. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Syntax for if/then statement
At 2:13 PM -0400 6/29/06, Beck, Charles wrote: >However, in the case of a conditional construct, I stand by my statement >and conviction that most readers could not care less whether we say, "If >such-and-such is true, then do this," or "If such-and-such is true, do >this." I agree. In the second instance the "then" is implicit. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: OT: Syntax for if/then statement
At 2:04 PM -0400 6/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Firstly, logically speaking, isn't there a difference between: >- If A, and then B >and >- If A and B From the point of view of someone who is used to such structures in programming languages the first variant would never be used; the "and" would simply not be there. Once you remove the "and" the meaning is clear. If "condition specified by A is true" then "condition specified by B is also true. And example might be (with apologies to the exceptional duckbill platapus) If it nurses its young, then it is a mammal. Note that if you stick the "and" in there it changes everything, and as someone noted earlier, it makes the sentence incomplete. As for the second variant, it means quite simply "If the condition specified by A is true and the condition specified by B is also true, ..." but it also needs to be completed with some kind of outcome, generally specified by a "...then..." construct. >The first implies a wait or sequence between events A and B. It does not >imply that the events are simultaneous nor that they need to be >maintained. If A happens, stops, then six months later B happens, the >first statement is true. No. If you interpret it that way you need to have some consequence to complete the idea. > The second statement is true only while both >events are happening (and they could start in any order). Not necessarily "events happening"; more often than not it's "existing conditions". >Secondly, Why does the sentence even contain "then" in the first place? >(You don't even include THEN in If statements in many languages.) Because that's how the logic is described in words when B is a subset of A, or a condition that is always true if A is true. Folks seem to be tackling this from a grammatical perspective and consulting style manuals. These constructs come directly from the language of mathematics. The addition of the word "and" (which is a logical operator in its own right) just serves to confuse what is perfectly clear without it by making a complete thought incomplete (both logically and gramatically). - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
AW: table anchors - best practices?
At 3:35 PM +0200 6/28/06, Reng, Winfried wrote: >Hi, > >> Right now, our policy is no separate paragraph tags for tables. I am >> currently working on a monster manual with over 600 tables. There are >> many situations where you have table after table with no text >> inbetween. Based on this, I want to propose that we do have a unique >> tag for anchoring tables. Richard's comment came at a perfect time, so >> now I am asking what the rest of you think - or whether Richard wants >> to reveal his reasons? I'd like to hear what people have to say. > >I have also a document with several 100 tables one after the >other. Previously they were anchored in a single paragraph >(anchor). But it was impossible to change the order manually >or insert anything. Therefore I changed that so that each table >is now anchored in its own paragraph (with the help of >FrameScript). If you're hanging many table anchors in a single paragraph tag then I've always found it useful to put an em space between the anchors. Then you can select table anchors individually with ease, if necessary. - web
table anchors - best practices?
I also use a 2pt para with white text called "frame". I hang frames in it and put tables in it. Sometimes the text is used as well because one can cross ref to it. - web At 8:12 AM -0400 6/28/06, John Sgammato wrote: >I use a skinny little paragraph style called figure, 2pts, no space above or >below, centered. I always put my table and figure anchors in a figure >paragraph. I like the control I get, especially since I like to keep para text >together and not have a whole paragraph pulled to another page just so the >table fits. >It is sometimes a pain in the neck selecting the invisible skinny little >figure para, but when you gets used to it, it becomes easier. I thought for >awhile of putting useful note text in the para in white, but then never had a >need for it. I work alone. YMMV. >john > > > >From: framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata.com at lists.frameusers.com on >behalf of Karen Mardahl >Sent: Wed 6/28/2006 8:03 AM >To: framers at frameusers.com >Subject: table anchors - best practices? > > > >Richard Combs had a comment in the thread "Question about the >hyperlink from the LOF to the figure": >"NOTE: There's a good case to be made for anchoring tables in their >own empty pgf, not at the end of the preceding text pgf, but I don't >want to complicate this any further. :-)" > >This made me curious! I searched the archives, and I found 2 relevant >threads, which provided more food for thought: >"small paragraphs for adding tables" from Sept. 1, 2005 >"RE: start a table at top of column?" from Sept 18, 2005 > >My take on this - and I am looking for support, comments, or >modifications - is that you should have a unique table anchor >paragraph tag for anchoring all tables. I believe this gives you best >overall control. Two reasons so far: > >1. A unique tag always gives good control over material. >2. Wise formatting of this tag gives consistent spacing. And because >the formatting is built into a tag, you do not have to resort to any >manual formatting, which you might need to do, if you just >attach/anchor the table to the preceding block of text or whatever. > >Right now, our policy is no separate paragraph tags for tables. I am >currently working on a monster manual with over 600 tables. There are >many situations where you have table after table with no text >inbetween. Based on this, I want to propose that we do have a unique >tag for anchoring tables. Richard's comment came at a perfect time, so >now I am asking what the rest of you think - or whether Richard wants >to reveal his reasons? I'd like to hear what people have to say. >Thanks! > >regards, Karen Mardahl > >PS Just FYI: Unstructured Frame 7.1p116 WinXP >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgammato at imprivata.com. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivata.com > >Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as web at nbnet.nb.ca. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/web%40nbnet.nb.ca > >Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: AW: table anchors - best practices?
At 3:35 PM +0200 6/28/06, Reng, Winfried wrote: >Hi, > >> Right now, our policy is no separate paragraph tags for tables. I am >> currently working on a monster manual with over 600 tables. There are >> many situations where you have table after table with no text >> inbetween. Based on this, I want to propose that we do have a unique >> tag for anchoring tables. Richard's comment came at a perfect time, so >> now I am asking what the rest of you think - or whether Richard wants >> to reveal his reasons? I'd like to hear what people have to say. > >I have also a document with several 100 tables one after the >other. Previously they were anchored in a single paragraph >(anchor). But it was impossible to change the order manually >or insert anything. Therefore I changed that so that each table >is now anchored in its own paragraph (with the help of >FrameScript). If you're hanging many table anchors in a single paragraph tag then I've always found it useful to put an em space between the anchors. Then you can select table anchors individually with ease, if necessary. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: table anchors - best practices?
I also use a 2pt para with white text called "frame". I hang frames in it and put tables in it. Sometimes the text is used as well because one can cross ref to it. - web At 8:12 AM -0400 6/28/06, John Sgammato wrote: >I use a skinny little paragraph style called figure, 2pts, no space above or >below, centered. I always put my table and figure anchors in a figure >paragraph. I like the control I get, especially since I like to keep para text >together and not have a whole paragraph pulled to another page just so the >table fits. >It is sometimes a pain in the neck selecting the invisible skinny little >figure para, but when you gets used to it, it becomes easier. I thought for >awhile of putting useful note text in the para in white, but then never had a >need for it. I work alone. YMMV. >john > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Karen Mardahl >Sent: Wed 6/28/2006 8:03 AM >To: framers@frameusers.com >Subject: table anchors - best practices? > > > >Richard Combs had a comment in the thread "Question about the >hyperlink from the LOF to the figure": >"NOTE: There's a good case to be made for anchoring tables in their >own empty pgf, not at the end of the preceding text pgf, but I don't >want to complicate this any further. :-)" > >This made me curious! I searched the archives, and I found 2 relevant >threads, which provided more food for thought: >"small paragraphs for adding tables" from Sept. 1, 2005 >"RE: start a table at top of column?" from Sept 18, 2005 > >My take on this - and I am looking for support, comments, or >modifications - is that you should have a unique table anchor >paragraph tag for anchoring all tables. I believe this gives you best >overall control. Two reasons so far: > >1. A unique tag always gives good control over material. >2. Wise formatting of this tag gives consistent spacing. And because >the formatting is built into a tag, you do not have to resort to any >manual formatting, which you might need to do, if you just >attach/anchor the table to the preceding block of text or whatever. > >Right now, our policy is no separate paragraph tags for tables. I am >currently working on a monster manual with over 600 tables. There are >many situations where you have table after table with no text >inbetween. Based on this, I want to propose that we do have a unique >tag for anchoring tables. Richard's comment came at a perfect time, so >now I am asking what the rest of you think - or whether Richard wants >to reveal his reasons? I'd like to hear what people have to say. >Thanks! > >regards, Karen Mardahl > >PS Just FYI: Unstructured Frame 7.1p116 WinXP >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivata.com > >Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/web%40nbnet.nb.ca > >Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Adobe "User Experience Recruiter"
Yesterday I received a note from this "User Experience Recruiter" at Adobe. The originating address looks legit. Did any one else get this note? Is Marisa Lenhardt a legit entity at Adobe? If so, I may take her up on the offer to contribute. - web
Adobe "User Experience Recruiter"
Yesterday I received a note from this "User Experience Recruiter" at Adobe. The originating address looks legit. Did any one else get this note? Is Marisa Lenhardt a legit entity at Adobe? If so, I may take her up on the offer to contribute. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Need Help Mac to PC
At 12:16 PM +0200 5/22/06, Harro de Jong wrote: >And another (This is starting to sound like the Spanish inquisition >sketch from Monty Python): the PC FrameMaker version doesn't support the >Publish & Subscribe mechanism. Pict images from the Mac don't work on the PC side. EPS files with Pict previews should print okay, but will look like gray boxes. - web
RE: Need Help Mac to PC
At 12:16 PM +0200 5/22/06, Harro de Jong wrote: >And another (This is starting to sound like the Spanish inquisition >sketch from Monty Python): the PC FrameMaker version doesn't support the >Publish & Subscribe mechanism. Pict images from the Mac don't work on the PC side. EPS files with Pict previews should print okay, but will look like gray boxes. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Hex code Z and z
But the ones you have written aren't characters Z and z, but rather they are accented characters (Z or z with a caron, or hacek). They are in the upper 128 of an 8-bit char table and will vary depending on the char set. If you look here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/latin2.html at ISO 8859-2 Latin Alphabet 2 then they map differently from the mapping you have indicated below. You must be using a different char set. In any event, you asked for plain Z and z, which is not what you've indicated below. - web At 2:39 PM +0200 5/17/06, Wim Hooghwinkel \(Scriptware\) wrote: >ok, I found it (saved FM as MIF): >entity "zcaron" is fm char "\xfe"; >entity "Zcaron" is fm char "\xfa"; > > >Met vriendelijke groet / kind regards, > >Wim Hooghwinkel wimh at scriptware.nl >DTP and XML Management > >Scriptware bv http://www.scriptware.nl >tel : +31 (0)23 548 48 84 >fax : +31 (0)23 548 48 85 >http://www.scriptware.nl >info at scriptware.nl info at scriptware.nl > >-Original Message- >From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk] >Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:23 PM >To: Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware) >Subject: Re: Hex code Z and z > > >>Hello, >> >>I am trying to find the hex code for Z and z - these are not in the character >>set PDF. Where to find? > >Wim > >z = 7A > >Z = 5A > >(Or at least, that's what PopChar is telling me.) >-- >Steve >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as web at nbnet.nb.ca. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/web%40nbnet.nb.ca > >Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Hex code Z and z
At 2:16 PM +0200 5/17/06, Wim Hooghwinkel \(Scriptware\) wrote: >I am trying to find the hex code for Z and z - these are not in the character >set PDF. Where to find? The Hex values are thus: Z = 5A z = 7A - web
RE: Hex code Z and z
But the ones you have written aren't characters Z and z, but rather they are accented characters (Z or z with a caron, or hacek). They are in the upper 128 of an 8-bit char table and will vary depending on the char set. If you look here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/latin2.html at ISO 8859-2 Latin Alphabet 2 then they map differently from the mapping you have indicated below. You must be using a different char set. In any event, you asked for plain Z and z, which is not what you've indicated below. - web At 2:39 PM +0200 5/17/06, Wim Hooghwinkel \(Scriptware\) wrote: >ok, I found it (saved FM as MIF): >entity "zcaron" is fm char "\xfe"; >entity "Zcaron" is fm char "\xfa"; > > >Met vriendelijke groet / kind regards, > >Wim Hooghwinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] >DTP and XML Management > >Scriptware bv http://www.scriptware.nl >tel : +31 (0)23 548 48 84 >fax : +31 (0)23 548 48 85 >http://www.scriptware.nl >[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >-Original Message- >From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:23 PM >To: Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware) >Subject: Re: Hex code Z and z > > >>Hello, >> >>I am trying to find the hex code for Z and z - these are not in the character >>set PDF. Where to find? > >Wim > >z = 7A > >Z = 5A > >(Or at least, that's what PopChar is telling me.) >-- >Steve >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/web%40nbnet.nb.ca > >Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Hex code Z and z
At 2:16 PM +0200 5/17/06, Wim Hooghwinkel \(Scriptware\) wrote: >I am trying to find the hex code for Z and z - these are not in the character >set PDF. Where to find? The Hex values are thus: Z = 5A z = 7A - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Smart spaces
No such animal in the Mac install. - web At 7:39 PM -0600 5/4/06, Ian Hawkins wrote: >You can. Using FrameMaker, open the file >\fminit\custom. This is a FrameMaker file, >even without the .fm extension. This file is used as the default template. >Change the smart spaces setting and save the file. > >Ian > >Bill Briggs wrote: > >>What would be nice is if you could make the default new document have it >>turned on. >> >>- web >>
Smart spaces
What would be nice is if you could make the default new document have it turned on. - web At 11:24 AM +1000 5/5/06, Partridge, Robert wrote: >Ignore me... I forgot the setting is saved in the document, it's not an >ini file setting. Once changed and saved it is always true for that >document. > >Rob > >-Original Message- > >I seem to remember some way of turning the smart spaces option off by >default in FrameMaker with the ini file. But I can't seem to find out >how to do it. Is it possible? Or am I just dreaming? > >Rob
Re: Smart spaces
No such animal in the Mac install. - web At 7:39 PM -0600 5/4/06, Ian Hawkins wrote: >You can. Using FrameMaker, open the file >\fminit\custom. This is a FrameMaker file, >even without the .fm extension. This file is used as the default template. >Change the smart spaces setting and save the file. > >Ian > >Bill Briggs wrote: > >>What would be nice is if you could make the default new document have it >>turned on. >> >>- web >> ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Smart spaces
What would be nice is if you could make the default new document have it turned on. - web At 11:24 AM +1000 5/5/06, Partridge, Robert wrote: >Ignore me... I forgot the setting is saved in the document, it's not an >ini file setting. Once changed and saved it is always true for that >document. > >Rob > >-Original Message- > >I seem to remember some way of turning the smart spaces option off by >default in FrameMaker with the ini file. But I can't seem to find out >how to do it. Is it possible? Or am I just dreaming? > >Rob ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Wow, if this came to pass?!?!?!
At 12:09 PM +0100 4/30/06, Steve Rickaby wrote: >At 20:12 -0700 29/4/06, Dov Isaacs wrote: > >>That piece is total and ridiculous speculation on his part. > >Of course it is - Cringley is paid to do just that. It's load of fun, too. I second that. Cringley's speculations are most often quite entertaining. I read his column every week. - web
RE: Wow, if this came to pass?!?!?!
At 12:09 PM +0100 4/30/06, Steve Rickaby wrote: >At 20:12 -0700 29/4/06, Dov Isaacs wrote: > >>That piece is total and ridiculous speculation on his part. > >Of course it is - Cringley is paid to do just that. It's load of fun, too. I second that. Cringley's speculations are most often quite entertaining. I read his column every week. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Wow, if this came to pass?!?!?!
Cringley has been really out on a limb the last two or three weeks, but I'd love to see this one come to pass. Apple buying Adobe would be a great thing. Lots of publicly available information supports Cringley's speculations, but it still seems like a long shot. http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20060427.html Imagine this office suite FrameMaker (unstructured version) spreadsheet as yet unknown, but maybe adapted from AppleWorks Keynote FileMaker Pro Acrobat suite (with Flash) One gets the warm fuzzies. - web
Wow, if this came to pass?!?!?!
Cringley has been really out on a limb the last two or three weeks, but I'd love to see this one come to pass. Apple buying Adobe would be a great thing. Lots of publicly available information supports Cringley's speculations, but it still seems like a long shot. http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20060427.html Imagine this office suite FrameMaker (unstructured version) spreadsheet as yet unknown, but maybe adapted from AppleWorks Keynote FileMaker Pro Acrobat suite (with Flash) One gets the warm fuzzies. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Need Help Automating FrameMaker Processes
At 6:37 PM +0100 4/28/06, Steve Rickaby wrote: >AppleScript is niche, FrameScript is niche. Writing AppleScript for FrameMaker is as "nichy" as it gets. I know maybe half a dozen people who use AppleScript with FrameMaker. I think all but one of them is on this list. And it's truly a pity that it is so niche. And it's a pity because the stuff you can do with it in terms of workflow are truly awesome. Just as an example, I wrote a manuscript cleaner once to clean up and apply a template to documents I was setting for the local government. It reduced a 6 hour manual job (even if you knew all of the ways to speed up the cleanup with global changes, etc) into a double click. The script cleaned a 100 page manuscript in about 15 minutes. There were about 30 tests run on each paragraph (fixed the punctuation of latinisms, turned double hyphens to proper dashes, deleted empty paragraphs, turned manually numbered paragraphs into proper autonumbered lists, etc.), and in the end there was very little manual work to do cleaning up tables. It even applied the template to the raw text file. You've got to love something that does this. Took three hours to write the script, so it saved three hours the first time it was used. But AppleScript's interapplication communication is its big benefit. And whoever said that Apple doesn't do enough to promote it is right. I write scripts every day of life, and have saved myself thousands of hours of manual drudgery in the process. The UNIX shell and the ability of AppleScript to run shell scripts and process stdout has only magnified that power exponentially. Most Mac users I know are blissfully ignorant of both of these things (AppleScript and the UNIX shell). I can't imagine how they get anything done. I'd go crazy doing things manually that I see people doing on their Macs every day. Okay. I'm going home to have a beer. - web
RE: Need Help Automating FrameMaker Processes
At 6:37 PM +0100 4/28/06, Steve Rickaby wrote: >AppleScript is niche, FrameScript is niche. Writing AppleScript for FrameMaker is as "nichy" as it gets. I know maybe half a dozen people who use AppleScript with FrameMaker. I think all but one of them is on this list. And it's truly a pity that it is so niche. And it's a pity because the stuff you can do with it in terms of workflow are truly awesome. Just as an example, I wrote a manuscript cleaner once to clean up and apply a template to documents I was setting for the local government. It reduced a 6 hour manual job (even if you knew all of the ways to speed up the cleanup with global changes, etc) into a double click. The script cleaned a 100 page manuscript in about 15 minutes. There were about 30 tests run on each paragraph (fixed the punctuation of latinisms, turned double hyphens to proper dashes, deleted empty paragraphs, turned manually numbered paragraphs into proper autonumbered lists, etc.), and in the end there was very little manual work to do cleaning up tables. It even applied the template to the raw text file. You've got to love something that does this. Took three hours to write the script, so it saved three hours the first time it was used. But AppleScript's interapplication communication is its big benefit. And whoever said that Apple doesn't do enough to promote it is right. I write scripts every day of life, and have saved myself thousands of hours of manual drudgery in the process. The UNIX shell and the ability of AppleScript to run shell scripts and process stdout has only magnified that power exponentially. Most Mac users I know are blissfully ignorant of both of these things (AppleScript and the UNIX shell). I can't imagine how they get anything done. I'd go crazy doing things manually that I see people doing on their Macs every day. Okay. I'm going home to have a beer. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
